Assange vs Clinton

[Fabbs]

Where do you see this ending up?

I don't vouche nor vet either one of these site, but check these headlines:
Wikileaks Founder Julian Assange: “Next Leak Will Lead to Arrest of Hillary Clinton”
and
Julian Assange: Hacked Emails Include Info On Hillary’s Arming of Jihadists, Including ISIS, in Syria

Assange is obviously poking the Clinton Bear.
Do you foresee the Clinton Bear clawing back?
Hard. Like real hard? Like bye bye Assange lol.

[bluebellmaniac]

Link?

[Reck]

This guy is a dumbass. He's been saying he's got suff on Hillary that will put her in jail for like 2 years now.

Last week he said he had voicemails and would release them. :lol

These are scare tactics that only work on high schoolers. Oh look here I got a big bad wolf in the closet. Be scurred!

[Fabbs]

^^ ya that's why I didn't put the links in.
I don't have time to vet them and he seems to have his fringe followers.
Within the one article was how the woman who bailed him out (and lost her money) now no longer trusts him, calling him a huge attention whore.


Link?

[ElNono]

Assange might be a douchebag, but on the trust scale, I trust him 1000x more the Shillary, tbh...

[Splits]

Assange is an anti-establishment anarchist, which I strongly side with versus a corporate war monger. He exposes war crimes. She is complicit in them.

Too bad there isn't a poll ITT. Assange is the clear favorite in this matchup, imo.

[ElNono]

I just never get some people... on one hand, "transparency should be paramount!" (and I completely agree, transparency should be mandatory in any government dealings, it's the absolute best tool against corruption), but then when somebody airs some of the dirty laundry of government (ie: Snowden, this guy) some of the same people turn around and... "They're criminals! they put the nation in danger releasing national security secrets!"... Like the government is covertly spying on our own allies and your ass with dubious authority that gets shot down once it reaches a court of law and has to be basically granted post-facto?

Lots of fucked up shit has been done under the mantra of "national security" and the lack of transparency is probably the biggest reason it's been bastardized so much at this point.

Some of these guys should be protected by out whistle-blower laws. They're doing us citizens a great service, sometimes at the peril of their own lives.

[Reck]

Assange is an anti-establishment anarchist, which I strongly side with versus a corporate war monger. He exposes war crimes. She is complicit in them.

Too bad there isn't a poll ITT. Assange is the clear favorite in this matchup, imo.

Then why is he on the run?

He exposes war crime while committing crime? :lol

Assange thinks Hillary had something to do with him being persuded. If that's true then this is a battle he's losing. He's on the run while Hillary might be our next president. Lol trusting somebody that's out for revenge...and currently failing.

[Reck]

I just never get some people... on one hand, "transparency should be paramount!" (and I completely agree, transparency should be mandatory in any government dealings, it's the absolute best tool against corruption), but then when somebody airs some of the dirty laundry of government (ie: Snowden, this guy) some of the same people turn around and... "They're criminals! they put the nation in danger releasing national security secrets!"... Like the government is covertly spying on our own allies and your ass with dubious authority that gets shot down once it reaches a court of law and has to be basically granted post-facto?

Lots of fucked up shit has been done under the mantra of "national security" and the lack of transparency is probably the biggest reason it's been bastardized so much at this point.

Some of these guys should be protected by out whistle-blower laws. They're doing us citizens a great service, sometimes at the peril of their own lives.

Except this guy uses this as a diguise for personal gain. He's also a rapist.

[ElNono]

Assange is not even a hacker. He's basically the visible, public face of a much larger network. He's more of a spokesperson than anything else.

He's on the run because he's out of control, and he must be made an example of.

[ElNono]

Except this guy uses this as a diguise for personal gain. He's also a rapist.

Has he been tried and found guilty for that allegation?

[ElNono]

What's his personal gain? Losing basically his freedom by having to live in an embassy in the UK for the past 4 years? That's another powerful message too.

[Reck]

Has he been tried and found guilty for that allegation?

He won't let himself be investigated properly let alone be tried and found guilty. This is why he's holed on on some Ecuadorean London embassy.

Innocent people aren't usually ducking warrants in some third rate countries to avoid being extradited because he may have raped somebody. Seems like a lot of trouble to not make people think he isn't guilty. It's quite the oposite.

[Splits]

Reck, stop digging and do some basic research on the "charges" that has caused him to be "on the run": https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/20/julian-assange-right-asylum

The US has threatened him with espionage and life in prison. Sweden has an extradition treaty with the US and a history of lapdog behavior.

Earlier this year, the UN has said his detention is illegal:

Fcw3SKVRUbM

[ElNono]

He won't let himself be investigated properly let alone be tried and found guilty. This is why he's holed on on some Ecuadorean London embassy.

Innocent people aren't usually ducking warrants in some third rate countries to avoid being extradited because he may have raped somebody. Seems like a lot of trouble to not make people think he isn't guilty. It's quite the oposite.

Since when you need HIM to carry an investigation? :lol If they have the evidence, they should just charge him. He's not guilty of anything until tried and convicted.

Don't play naive. "Innocent people" is really an arbitrary term. Under US law he's probably not "innocent people", and an extradition to the US will probably cost him his life.

He fucked with the wrong people, that much is clear. I, for one, certainly like the fact that we can still get politicos exposed like this.

[Reck]

Reck, stop digging and do some basic research on the "charges" that has caused him to be "on the run": https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/20/julian-assange-right-asylum

The US has threatened him with espionage and life in prison. Sweden has an extradition treaty with the US and a history of lapdog behavior.

Earlier this year, the UN has said his detention is illegal:

Fcw3SKVRUbM

For one, maybe stop avocating for hacking and giving people a safe heaven where they can dump illegally obtained documents? Two, stop raping women on foreign soil.

This guy is not a saint so excuse me if I'm not giving him a pass for being so patriotic. He isn't.

[Reck]

Since when you need HIM to carry an investigation? :lol If they have the evidence, they should just charge him. He's not guilty of anything until tried and convicted.

Don't play naive. "Innocent people" is really an arbitrary term. Under US law he's probably not "innocent people", and an extradition to the US will probably cost him his life.

He fucked with the wrong people, that much is clear. I, for one, certainly like the fact that we can still get politicos exposed like this.

You guys are kidding me, right? :lol

Do we need evidence to know that Michael Jackson liked to pedo it up once in a while? Do we need more evidence that Cosby is a serial rapist? These are things we know. He's guilty as fuck regardless of not being found guilty yet. Just like when Simpson got off scott free even though he was guilty as hell.

You sound like one of those far right wingers denying the fact this man is not some pillar of truth as you are led to believe. :lol

Sweden is trying to follow simple procedures. He's being accused of rape..he's been served a warrant..he ignored it and fled.

That in itself doesn't seem like what an innocent man would do. Like I said on my other post. Maybe keep your dick in your pants and you wouldn't find yourself in a situation where you're trapped.

Let's remember we are talking about a man willing to exposed anybody no matter the cost, yet we are to believe he's not capable of forcing himself on a woman? Now who's been naive..

[Splits]

So Reck does not believe in due process, even for people who haven't even been charged with a crime and have offered to cooperate.

Just ignore the facts of the "case" being brought against him (in which he hasn't even been charged).

Just invoke a bunch of black people convicted in the court of public opinion (Jackson, Cosby, OJ) and dust off your hands.

Just ignore the UN publicly declaring he is being illegally detained.

Welcome to Hillary's brownshirt America.

SMH

Partisanship at its worst.

[Reck]

So Reck does not believe in due process, even for people who haven't even been charged with a crime and have offered to cooperate.

Just ignore the facts of the "case" being brought against him (in which he hasn't even been charged).

Just invoke a bunch of black people convicted in the court of public opinion (Jackson, Cosby, OJ) and dust off your hands.

Just ignore the UN publicly declaring he is being illegally detained.

Welcome to Hillary's brownshirt America.

SMH

Partisanship at its worst.

:lmao

What are you on about? Of course I believe in due process.

That doesn't mean I cant give my opinion on the matter. I happen to think Assange is as dirty--if not more dirty than Hillary.

I don't play into the he's innocent until proven guilty. I know he is. Just like the millions of people who think Hilary is guilty and should be in prison for half the stuff she's done.

And did you really just defended Cosby? :lol

I don't know what you mean by your UN comment? Where is this guy being illegally detained? He's at the embassy of his own free will. It is what's keeping him from being summoned to Sweden. You've lost me there.

As far as I know he made a conscious decision to go into that embassy and then stay there.

Also great dig at Hillary. But this has nothing to do with her or anyone but my own head. I think for myself.

[ElNono]

:lol Splits took the words out of my mouth. Dude hasn't even been charged... but, but, but... the court of public opinion! This is the same people that laugh when Trump says he learned foreign policy from watching the E! network.

If justice worked like that, boutons would probably been sent to Guantanamo back when dubya was the prez, tbh...

That doesn't mean the crime he allegedly committed isn't a serious matter. But the claim that "he's a rapist", well, at this point, it's factually not true.

I couldn't give two shits for Assange the person (and would agree there's some ego shit going on there), but it's undisputed that all these leaks that came through his organization have shined a bright light on the darkest sides of politics and US foreign policy.

[ElNono]

He applied for political asylum on humanitarian grounds and was granted such asylum. That's a right every person has under international law (including you). He's not "on the run" of anything.

If you would've read what was linked earlier, you would know this stuff already.

[Reck]

He applied for political asylum on humanitarian grounds and was granted such asylum. That's a right every person has under international law (including you). He's not "on the run" of anything.

If you would've read what was linked earlier, you would know this stuff already.

If you want to be politically correct then yeah. But he's running from being extradited and face the consequences of his own making in Sweden. Not even talking about the implications of any leaked information and the fact the CIA wants his ass.

[Warlord23]

On the one hand, Assange is being unfairly hounded by the US and allies. The establishment doesn't like leaks and wants to discourage potential whistle-blowers.

On the other hand, Assange has moved away from the original Wikileaks model of curating information before releasing what is appropriate. He is now a loose cannon that has been criticized by Glenn Greenwald and others for being reckless and sensationalist. He's on record saying that if Afghan informants in Taliban territory get killed as a result of his leaks, "they've got it coming". He goes on propaganda outlets like Russia Today and encourages conspiracy theories. One of Assange's close associates, Israel Shamir handed over leaked info to a pro-Putin Belarussian dictator who used it to imprison and torture political opponents. Assange admitted that he was the one who encouraged Snowden to go to Russia rather than Latin America which was Snowden's first preference.

Assange isn't being held accountable for peddling fiction and for behaving like a puppet for Putin and his allies. Just like Trump, coincidentally.

[Th'Pusher]

I just never get some people... on one hand, "transparency should be paramount!" (and I completely agree, transparency should be mandatory in any government dealings, it's the absolute best tool against corruption), but then when somebody airs some of the dirty laundry of government (ie: Snowden, this guy) some of the same people turn around and... "They're criminals! they put the nation in danger releasing national security secrets!"... Like the government is covertly spying on our own allies and your ass with dubious authority that gets shot down once it reaches a court of law and has to be basically granted post-facto?

Lots of fucked up shit has been done under the mantra of "national security" and the lack of transparency is probably the biggest reason it's been bastardized so much at this point.

Some of these guys should be protected by out whistle-blower laws. They're doing us citizens a great service, sometimes at the peril of their own lives.

I tend to agree with this, that being said, if wiki leaks is being weoponized to influence elections by foreign governments that would be an entirely different discussion.

[Splits]

I tend to agree with this, that being said, if wiki leaks is being weoponized to influence elections by foreign governments that would be an entirely different discussion.

Yeah! Only America is allowed to interfere in the governance of other states!

USA! USA!

[boutons_deux]

Yeah! Only America is allowed to interfere in the governance of other states!

America's Golden Rule of Empire: USA does unto others, but others absolutely must not do unto USA.

[ElNono]

lol @ "weaponized"... Shillary reaped what she sowed... and you would think the Democratic party would be better served looking at the future, without shady characters like DWS, thanks largely to these leaks, but they probably think the problem is that their shit got leaked, not that the ones actively "weaponizing" an election from within the party gave them a black eye.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I came in here to shit on Reck but looks like that isn't necessary :lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

You guys are kidding me, right? :lolDo we need evidence to know that Michael Jackson liked to pedo it up once in a while? Do we need more evidence that Cosby is a serial rapist? These are things we know. He's guilty as fuck regardless of not being found guilty yet. Just like when Simpson got off scott free even though he was guilty as hell.You sound like one of those far right wingers denying the fact this man is not some pillar of truth as you are led to believe. :lolSweden is trying to follow simple procedures. He's being accused of rape..he's been served a warrant..he ignored it and fled.That in itself doesn't seem like what an innocent man would do. Like I said on my other post. Maybe keep your dick in your pants and you wouldn't find yourself in a situation where you're trapped. Let's remember we are talking about a man willing to exposed anybody no matter the cost, yet we are to believe he's not capable of forcing himself on a woman? Now who's been naive.."He's guilty because I said so" :cry

[pgardn]

Assange is an anti-establishment anarchist, which I strongly side with versus a corporate war monger. He exposes war crimes. She is complicit in them.

Too bad there isn't a poll ITT. Assange is the clear favorite in this matchup, imo.

BS

He and wiki leaks have already taken stolen information FROM government agencies that specialize in hacking. He is willfully getting information and staying in business because governments have gotten so good at stealing information. This guy has absolutely no conscience other than self promotion. Donald Trump mentality.

[Th'Pusher]

lol @ "weaponized"... Shillary reaped what she sowed... and you would think the Democratic party would be better served looking at the future, without shady characters like DWS, thanks largely to these leaks, but they probably think the problem is that their shit got leaked, not that the ones actively "weaponizing" an election from within the party gave them a black eye.

I'm not abdicating the DNC of any culpability. I'm simply saying that if a foreign government is purposefully leaking information to wiki leaks in an effort to influence an election it's a different conversation than whether or not one supports transparency from our Government.

[ElNono]

I'm not abdicating the DNC of any culpability. I'm simply saying that if a foreign government is purposefully leaking information to wiki leaks in an effort to influence an election it's a different conversation than whether or not one supports transparency from our Government.

I'm 100% cool with that though. Secrecy has never been the answer. If it costs them an election, maybe they'll eventually figure it out.

[boutons_deux]

I'm 100% cool with that though. Secrecy has never been the answer. If it costs them an election, maybe they'll eventually figure it out.

dickhead Cheney went back classified many Ms of govt documents that had been in the public domain. Repugs are as guilty as anyone about secrecy.

TSA and other rightwingnut assholes here are salivating for a Trash victory, one way or the other.

[Splits]

I'm not abdicating the DNC of any culpability. I'm simply saying that if a foreign government is purposefully leaking information to wiki leaks in an effort to influence an election it's a different conversation than whether or not one supports transparency from our Government.

Yeah, it's much more harmful than bombing the fuck out of them or supporting military coups.

[TheSanityAnnex]

dickhead Cheney went back classified many Ms of govt documents that had been in the public domain. Repugs are as guilty as anyone about secrecy.

TSA and other rightwingnut assholes here are salivating for a Trash victory, one way or the other.

Name me one Republican that set up a private server in their own house to sidestep FOIA

[Reck]

On the one hand, Assange is being unfairly hounded by the US and allies. The establishment doesn't like leaks and wants to discourage potential whistle-blowers.

On the other hand, Assange has moved away from the original Wikileaks model of curating information before releasing what is appropriate. He is now a loose cannon that has been criticized by Glenn Greenwald and others for being reckless and sensationalist. He's on record saying that if Afghan informants in Taliban territory get killed as a result of his leaks, "they've got it coming". He goes on propaganda outlets like Russia Today and encourages conspiracy theories. One of Assange's close associates, Israel Shamir handed over leaked info to a pro-Putin Belarussian dictator who used it to imprison and torture political opponents. Assange admitted that he was the one who encouraged Snowden to go to Russia rather than Latin America which was Snowden's first preference.

Assange isn't being held accountable for peddling fiction and for behaving like a puppet for Putin and his allies. Just like Trump, coincidentally.

This is a good post.

The bad far outweights whatever good this guy ever did.

Whether Sweden gets a hold of him first or the US doesn't make a bit of difference to me. Good riddance either way.

Hillarious reading people pointing fingers at someone but at the same time defending this guy. :lmao

[TheSanityAnnex]

This is a good post.

The bad far outweights whatever good this guy ever did.

Whether Sweden gets a hold of him first or the US doesn't make a bit of difference to me. Good riddance either way.

Hillarious reading people pointing fingers at someone but at the same time defending this guy. :lmao
How can you even comment on what bad or good he's done when you've clearly demonstrated in this thread you know fuck all about him?

[Reck]

How can you even comment on what bad or good he's done when you've clearly demonstrated in this thread you know fuck all about him?

Just like you know fuck all about Comey, Benghazi, Hillary's emails, etc.

Pull the trigger bro.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Just like you know fuck all about Comey, Benghazi, Hillary's emails, etc.

Pull the trigger bro.

You embarrassed yourself in this thread and continued to double down on stupid only to get your shit pushed in again and again. I've always thought you might be trolling me by being purposely dumb but after watching you from the outside this time I realized it's not a schtick, you just aren't bright.

[Reck]

You embarrassed yourself in this thread and continued to double down on stupid only to get your shit pushed in again and again. I've always thought you might be trolling me by being purposely dumb but after watching you from the outside this time I realized it's not a schtick, you just aren't bright.

Are you stupid? Where did I get embarrased?

You have this mentality where everything is lose or win. You're projecting.

Were you bullied when you were young or something? Seems to me you have a problem with reality. You see something where theres nothing to be seem.

You calling anyone else not bright. LOL

[TheSanityAnnex]

Are you stupid? Where did I get embarrased?




http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262603

[Reck]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262603

All I see is a people for and against Assange case. By your same stupid logic, ElNono is getting destroyed because he has been posting with 3 different posters against his point.

You're a laughing stock TSA.

[TheSanityAnnex]

All I see is a people for and against Assange case. By your same stupid logic, ElNono is getting destroyed because he has been posting with 3 different posters against his point.

You're a laughing stock TSA.
There is a difference between differing opinions and being told you are flat out wrong and don't know what you are talking about. The latter occurred ITT.

[Reck]

There is a difference between differing opinions and being told you are flat out wrong and don't know what you are talking about. The latter occurred ITT.

So a person calls me wrong then that must mean I am? Holy shit dude can you be more 1 dimensional?

I dont live by random's people words on the internet. For example, you are wrong 99% of the time yet you think you're always right.

Now there's a conundrum. This proves how weak minded you are.

You're not meant to be using the internet where millions and millions of people have different ideas and opinions.

[Th'Pusher]

I'm 100% cool with that though. Secrecy has never been the answer. If it costs them an election, maybe they'll eventually figure it out.

You're cool with foreign governments influencing US elections? Seriously?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So a person calls me wrong then that must mean I am? Holy shit dude can you be more 1 dimensional?

I dont live by random's people words on the internet. For example, you are wrong 99% of the time yet you think you're always right.

Now there's a conundrum. This proves how weak minded you are.

You're not meant to be using the internet where millions and millions of people have different ideas and opinions.
Being proven wrong isn't negated by the fact it was done by a random person.

[ElNono]

You're cool with foreign governments influencing US elections? Seriously?

I'm 100% cool when "a foreign government is purposefully leaking information". If the consequence of all that leaked dirt happens to influence or change an election outcome, so be it.

Frankly, Democrats should be thankful, regardless of what happens with this election. This is an opportunity to clean up the party from all that shit, and learn from it going forward.

Heck, Shillary is probably rock bottom already, tbh...

[TheSanityAnnex]

You're cool with foreign governments influencing US elections? Seriously?

Compared to our government supporting coups to overthrow elected leaders in other countries? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Reck]

Being proven wrong isn't negated by the fact it was done by a random person.

WTF does that even mean? El and I talk about different shit all the time. This is hardly our first interaction. :lol

You're shook. Take a moment.

[ElNono]

Heck, if anything, it's merely payback...

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/08/143343061/foreign-policy-now-hear-this-moscow

'Murica just has short memory, tbh...

[ElNono]

:lol is this Reck vs TSA feud the new ducks vs boutons, tbh?

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol is this Reck vs TSA feud the new ducks vs boutons, tbh?

I'm intrigued by his stupidity and still am not sure if he's just a masterful troll.

[Reck]

:lol is this Reck vs TSA feud the new ducks vs boutons, tbh?

Dude has a bug up his ass because I prefer Hillary to Cheeto Trump.

Oh and because I make fun of his conspiracy theories. :lol

[Th'Pusher]

I'm 100% cool when "a foreign government is purposefully leaking information". If the consequence of all that leaked dirt happens to influence or change an election outcome, so be it.

Frankly, Democrats should be thankful, regardless of what happens with this election. This is an opportunity to clean up the party from all that shit, and learn from it going forward.

Heck, Shillary is probably rock bottom already, tbh...

I guess the distinguishing point is intent. If a foreign government intentionally steals and leaks information in an effort to influence a US election, is that ok with you?

[boutons_deux]

...

[pgardn]

I'm 100% cool with that though. Secrecy has never been the answer. If it costs them an election, maybe they'll eventually figure it out.

Secrecy will always be necessary. The decision on what to keep secret is problematic.

[ElNono]

I guess the distinguishing point is intent. If a foreign government intentionally steals and leaks information in an effort to influence a US election, is that ok with you?

I am ok with it in this particular case, and I tell you why: I have no allegiance to Shillary or the Democtratic party (nor Trump or the Republican party). But, considering we live in a democracy that's firmly based on a two party system, the rampant corruption on either party does have detrimental effect on democracy itself. So I have to weight the messenger and his/her intent vis-a-vis the actual message and the fallout from it. They're not inextricable. The long view is that more episodes like this, regardless of timing or messenger's intent, will provide certain checks on party corruption, and I think that outweighs the short view, which is the outcome of the election at hand.

In a nutshell, my opinion (and everybody is free to disagree) is that the long view, in this case, far outweighs the short view. So I'm not going to shoot the messenger, because I think in the long term it's doing our democracy a favor.

[ElNono]

"opportunity to clean up the party from all that shit"

won't happen. Dems grovel before BigDonors just like the Repugs. No clean up possible.

The DNC plotting against their own candidates is corruption, and should be cleaned up. At least, it will invite more scrutiny in the future.

It's not going to solve all the problems, but if it helps clean up at least one or more, that's a positive.

[boutons_deux]

The DNC plotting against their own candidates is corruption, and should be cleaned up. At least, it will invite more scrutiny in the future.

It's not going to solve all the problems, but if it helps clean up at least one or more, that's a positive.

Bernie was an independent running for the Dem nomination. He wasn't "Dem's own candidate".

[ElNono]

Bernie was an independent running for the Dem nomination. He wasn't "Dem's own candidate".

He was a candidate for the Democtratic party. That automatically makes him a candidate under DNC tutelage.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He applied for political asylum on humanitarian grounds and was granted such asylum. That's a right every person has under international law (including you). He's not "on the run" of anything.

If you would've read what was linked earlier, you would know this stuff already.

Seeking asylum is the result of being on the run. AT this point the accusations are just smears and the reality of what has happened to other whistleblowers is real but whether or not he is actually a rapist is a matter of probability not certainty. Open mind is the best approach IMO.

The whole email thing stinks. DNC was hacked months ago when the primary was still in question. Honest justice would've released them then and a wrong would've been righted. This shit is just a gratuitous after the fact smear.

The whole notion of the enemy of my enemy is my friend is shitty policy. I'm no Hillary fan but gmfb.

[boutons_deux]

He was a candidate for the Democtratic party. That automatically makes him a candidate under DNC tutelage.

Mebbe so, but he always the unwelcome outsider who hadn't called himself a Dem, was absolutely not a priority for Dem establishment.

[ElNono]

Seeking asylum is the result of being on the run. AT this point the accusations are just smears and the reality of what has happened to other whistleblowers is real but whether or not he is actually a rapist is a matter of probability not certainty. Open mind is the best approach IMO.

The whole email thing stinks. DNC was hacked months ago when the primary was still in question. Honest justice would've released them then and a wrong would've been righted. This shit is just a gratuitous after the fact smear.

The whole notion of the enemy of my enemy is my friend is shitty policy. I'm no Hillary fan but gmfb.

I merely took exception to a claim that appeared to be factual in nature, but then was clarified as merely opinion. I'm not going to chastise anybody from holding an opinion. When I asked if he's been tried and convicted yet, seeking backup for that claim, I've got back that "we all know michael jackson liked to pedo it up"... so ok, it was an opinion, that's fine by me, even if we disagree.

I hold no sympathy for Putin or Russia, but that's besides the point. I'd like whistleblowers that actually come up with tangible evidence of wrongdoing to be able to speak up without fear of retribution. I also think this whole incident can be an opportunity for the DNC to clean up (some) of their mess. My hope is that they do learn from this, in a good way.

EDIT: Just to add, I'd like them to clean up not because I like the Democrats, but because corruption in political parties, no matter who they are, especially under our two party system, really devalue our democracy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I merely took exception to a claim that appeared to be factual in nature, but then was clarified as merely opinion. I'm not going to chastise anybody from holding an opinion. When I asked if he's been tried and convicted yet, seeking backup for that claim, I've got back that "we all know michael jackson liked to pedo it up"... so ok, it was an opinion, that's fine by me, even if we disagree.

I hold no sympathy for Putin or Russia, but that's besides the point. I'd like whistleblowers that actually come up with tangible evidence of wrongdoing to be able to speak up without fear of retribution. I also think this whole incident can be an opportunity for the DNC to clean up (some) of their mess. My hope is that they do learn from this, in a good way.

EDIT: Just to add, I'd like them to clean up not because I like the Democrats, but because corruption in political parties, no matter who they are, especially under our two party system, really devalue our democracy.

Wasserman has already been removed. The issue is that it was released after the damage has already been done. Whoever did this did it to cause the most harm as opposed to seeking justice.

If you really would have wanted to clean up the DNC then you would have affected the primary and not the general. Whoever gets the nomination chooses the lion's share of the leadership.

[ElNono]

Wasserman has already been removed. The issue is that it was released after the damage has already been done. Whoever did this did it to cause the most harm as opposed to seeking justice.

If you really would have wanted to clean up the DNC then you would have affected the primary and not the general. Whoever gets the nomination chooses the lion's share of the leadership.

I hope it did a lot of harm. Hopefully we see more harm of this kind being done, it's the only way we're going to get people thinking twice about doing dirty stuff. Like I said, I hope there's lessons learned here, but the good kind, not doubling-down on obscurity, or the perception that it was only bad because they were caught.

I don't care at all about the upcoming election. I don't care who wins or loses (other than the trolling potential). My hope is this incident has a long lasting impact as far as eradicating corruption, on both parties.

[boutons_deux]

"eradicating corruption, on both parties"

this incident won't have any effect on corruption of both parties by huge amounts of money seeking preferential treatment. The political system is totally corrupt.

The only people who can stop the corruption are the people making laws and regs, and they are paid to be corrupt and keep the corruption going.

[MultiTroll]

This guy is a dumbass. He's been saying he's got suff on Hillary that will put her in jail for like 2 years now.

Last week he said he had voicemails and would release them. :lol

These are scare tactics that only work on high schoolers. Oh look here I got a big bad wolf in the closet. Be scurred!
Exactly.
Here is his latest spout:
Assange says WikiLeaks to release 'significant' Clinton campaign data
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/assange-says-wikileaks-to-release-significant-clinton-campaign-data/ar-BBw1uO3?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhpSounds like his is just attention whoring it up again.

[MultiTroll]

Jemima Khan, who helped pay for his bail - and then lost the money - has written a searing critique of his behaviour (http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/02/jemima-khan-julian-assange-how-wikileaks-founder-alienated-his-allies),
http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/02/jemima-khan-julian-assange-how-wikileaks-founder-alienated-his-allies
explaining why she no longer supports him."I have seen flashes of Assange’s charm, brilliance and insightfulness," she wrote in 2013. "But I have also seen how instantaneous rock-star status has the power to make even the most clear-headed idealist feel that they are above the law and exempt from criticism."The Guardian, which published his early work, fell out with Mr Assange over his refusal to redact some of the material.

[MultiTroll]

Jemima Khan
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/06/article-2274656-0CB82801000005DC-780_306x454.jpg

[Fabbs]

So you guys think Assange is any more in the Clinton crosshairs?

Or nah, they just consider him a pest, won't affect a Shillary win?

I think it might be a bit of both. Assange won't come up with anything big enough to get people to choose the Orange Moron over her.
But, they will seek revenge on Assanges ass after the election.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Exactly.
Here is his latest spout:
Assange says WikiLeaks to release 'significant' Clinton campaign data
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/assange-says-wikileaks-to-release-significant-clinton-campaign-data/ar-BBw1uO3?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhpSounds like his is just attention whoring it up again.

His last round of attention whoring exposed the corrupt DNC and got the head to resign. Next batch will do more damage I'm sure.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you guys think Assange is any more in the Clinton crosshairs?

Or nah, they just consider him a pest, won't affect a Shillary win?

I think it might be a bit of both. Assange won't come up with anything big enough to get people to choose the Orange Moron over her.
But, they will seek revenge on Assanges ass after the election.

Assange's lawyer committed "suicide" by jumping in front a train recently. Wouldn't surprise me to see Assange suicide himself with a couple shots to the back of the head

[Fabbs]

Assange's lawyer committed "suicide" by jumping in front a train recently. Wouldn't surprise me to see Assange suicide himself with a couple shots to the back of the head
:wow so we know Assange is in the cross hairs.
Wonder how the Ecuadorian authorities that granted access and continue approving his holing up at the Ecuadorian embassy are escaping Clinton bullets?

[Reck]

Assange's lawyer committed "suicide" by jumping in front a train recently. Wouldn't surprise me to see Assange suicide himself with a couple shots to the back of the head

Why now TSA?

Hillary has had years to eliminate him.

If that is what you're implying.

[Fabbs]

Why now TSA?

Hillary has had years to eliminate him.

If that is what you're implying.
True.
Plus what high profile lawyer does not have at least a dozen people wishing they'd be off'd.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why now TSA?

Hillary has had years to eliminate him.

If that is what you're implying.wasn't being totally serious.

[MultiTroll]

Assange on Hannity again.
More promises of having goods to drop on Shillary.
Hard to say what is real listening to the Scamitty Show.

[hater]

All d good ppl of the world rooting fro trump and against ShillaHITLER

It's beautiful to see :cry

[Fabbs]

WikiLeaks Cancels Possibly Clinton-Related Announcement Over ‘Security Concerns’

WikiLeaks has cancelled a much-anticipated announcement set for Tuesday, citing security concerns at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.. The announcement was widely believed to be the long-promised reveal of leaked emails from the Democratic Party that Assange has said will be devastating for Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
Before it was cancelled, Trump surrogate Roger Stone tweeted that — because of the announcement, apparently — Clinton would be “done” on Wednesday.
What exactly led to the announcement’s cancellation remains unclear. Assange historically makes his major pronouncements from the embassy’s balcony. It now appears that security concerns at the embassy have rendered his appearance impossible.
It looks like Assange will still appear in a video conference for a press conference in Berlin on Tuesday morning. It’s unclear if he will take that opportunity to make his big reveal.
We’re sure those with a fondness for conspiracy theories won’t make too big a deal out of this.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wikileaks-cancels-possibly-clinton-related-announcement-over-%E2%80%98security-concerns%E2%80%99/ar-BBwVwIS?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

[SpursforSix]

WikiLeaks Cancels Possibly Clinton-Related Announcement Over ‘Security Concerns’

WikiLeaks has cancelled a much-anticipated announcement set for Tuesday, citing security concerns at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.. The announcement was widely believed to be the long-promised reveal of leaked emails from the Democratic Party that Assange has said will be devastating for Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
Before it was cancelled, Trump surrogate Roger Stone tweeted that — because of the announcement, apparently — Clinton would be “done” on Wednesday.
What exactly led to the announcement’s cancellation remains unclear. Assange historically makes his major pronouncements from the embassy’s balcony. It now appears that security concerns at the embassy have rendered his appearance impossible.
It looks like Assange will still appear in a video conference for a press conference in Berlin on Tuesday morning. It’s unclear if he will take that opportunity to make his big reveal.
We’re sure those with a fondness for conspiracy theories won’t make too big a deal out of this.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wikileaks-cancels-possibly-clinton-related-announcement-over-%E2%80%98security-concerns%E2%80%99/ar-BBwVwIS?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

I wonder if the internet will go down on Wednesday. Solar flares or something.

[Fabbs]

I wonder if the internet will go down on Wednesday. Solar flares or something.

Did Assange get off'd or taken into custody?
Eh maybe not.

These Cryptic Wikileaks Tweets Don't Mean Julian Assange Is Dead
http://gizmodo.com/these-cryptic-wikileaks-tweets-dont-mean-julian-assange-1787866602

[DMC]

This whole "leaks" thing is a slippery slope. We seem ok with stealing others' private emails and recording people against their knowledge during personal conversations (even people who aren't holding public offices) but they we scream rape about eavesdropping by the feds through apps and devices and "carnivore". If we allow any form of invasion of privacy to be publicly aired just because we don't like the victim, we are setting ourselves up to have less privacy.

If someone is hacking our federal government email accounts, they need to be taken out. If someone has recorded you against your knowledge and sits on that for 10 years until you try to get a job, then they post it on Youtube, that person needs to be taken out as well.

I think we know enough about each candidate to know who we want to vote for (face it, just the "D" or "R" is enough for the majority of voters).