Most disappointing "super" teams of all time

[Killakobe81]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHvhY1nfqrY

Not my list not sure I agree their determination of "super" ... with the full list or order:

But two Laker teams on this list ...

I think the 1984 Lakers despite making the finals should be included tbh ...I expected them to win. I didnt expect the 2013 Lakers to ring and said that on here. I did expect us to ring in 2004 But after Colorado I knew we were screwed ...thanks, Kobe!

I also the Jail Blazers from 2000 should be mentioned
I think a case can be made for some other teams as well.
Thoughts?

[Killakobe81]

Also, I think a case can be made soon for the clips big 3 ...

[apalisoc_9]

Also, I think a case can be made soon for the clips big 3 ...

They're not a super team.

[Killakobe81]

They're not a super team.

Look at some of the teams on that list ...
Clips big 3 or at least the top 2 rivals most of them.

[baseline bum]

1. 2013 Lakers
2. 2004 Lakers
3. 2011 Heat
4. 2016 Spurs
5. 2004 Mavs
6. 1996 Magic
7. 2016 Warriors

[140]

:lmao 06-07 Mavs as a super team

[Killakobe81]

1. 2013 Lakers
2. 2004 Lakers
3. 2011 Heat
4. 2016 Spurs
5. 2004 Mavs
6. 1996 Magic
7. 2016 Warriors

Not a bad list but I would rank 2004 higher than 2013 which is a vastly overrated team. Cannot believe how many of you here thought they would ring. :lmao

Never have I felt more validated on my hoops knowledge than that season.
I said no way that team makes it past WCF I predicted 2nd round loss ...
no one else was even that close.
Y'all was bitching on here like when we got Pau ... :lol

[baseline bum]

Not a bad list but I would rank 2004 higher than 2013 which is a vastly overrated team. Cannot believe how many of you here thought they would ring. :lmao

Never have I felt more validated on my hoops knowledge than that season.
I said no way that team makes it past WCF I predicted 2nd round loss ...
no one else was even that close.
Y'all was bitching on here like when we got Pau ... :lol

The 2013 team was enormously hyped to be great. Dwight was the next Shaq, people still thought Kobe was a top tier player, Artest said they'd go 73-9, and every Laker fan was going nuts about how they finally got their point guard after years of Fisher and Smush Parker and so on. They were supposed to be the team to shut Miami down with two elite bigs and a star who Laker fan said was better than LeBron. You may have argued they were a second round out but that's not where expectations were. Expectations were them dominating the West leading up to an epic Finals matchup against Miami.

[spurraider21]

its pretty stupid to look at just 1 year. the heatles werent a failure. they were together for 4 years, went to 4 finals, and won 2 rings

the warriors? they won the title a year before this video was made. besides, i wouldnt consider them a super team since almost all their stars were "home grown." this years version, though, different story

[Killakobe81]

The 2013 team was enormously hyped to be great. Dwight was the next Shaq, people still thought Kobe was a top tier player, Artest said they'd go 73-9, and every Laker fan was going nuts about how they finally got their point guard after years of Fisher and Smush Parker and so on. They were supposed to be the team to shut Miami down with two elite bigs and a star who Laker fan said was better than LeBron. You may have argued they were a second round out but that's not where expectations were. Expectations were them dominating the West leading up to an epic Finals matchup against Miami.

1. they were ... by folks that buy in to hype ...and Laker fans that dont follow hoops closely.
2. That team was injured early bit they were still disappointing
3. Dwight was never on Shaq's level which shaq told us repeatedly.
4. Nash, Pau already past his prime same as Artest. By 2015 Nash and Artest were both pretty much retired.
5. Pau and Dwight did have some decent seasons after 2013 though ...
6. Kobe was not on Lebron's level by 2013 GTFO LOL using Laker fans ranking as basis for your argument wgaf? (but he did will us to the playoffs and was super impressive in doing so in 2013 despite high usage rates ...until his achilles snapped.)

[baseline bum]

1. they were ... by folks that buy in to hype ...and Laker fans that dont follow hoops closely.
2. That team was injured early bit they were still disappointing
3. Dwight was never on Shaq's level which shaq told us repeatedly.
4. Nash, Pau already past his prime same as Artest. By 2015 Nash and Artest were both pretty much retired.
5. Pau and Dwight did have some decent seasons after 2013 though ...
6. Kobe was not on Lebron's level by 2013 GTFO LOL using Laker fans ranking as basis for your argument wgaf? (but he did will us to the playoffs and was super impressive in doing so in 2013 despite high usage rates ...until his achilles snapped.)

The media hyped them to hell too. Back then everyone thought the Lakers were getting 2010 Howard and that Dwight only played shitty because he wanted out of Orlando. He was the next Lakers great bigman, the next in line after Wilt, Kareem, and Shaq. And everyone acted like the team still had 2009 Kobe Bryant, not Kobe entering the Patrick Ewing phase of his career where he was slowing down bigtime but still wanted the ball every time down the floor. Nash was coming off an impressive couple of years in Phoenix and everyone thought it was an obvious trade, that LA's picks would be late first rounders anyways and that you mortgage the future when you have such a clear path to a title with Howard and Bryant together.

[Killakobe81]

The media hyped them to hell too. Back then everyone thought the Lakers were getting 2010 Howard and that Dwight only played shitty because he wanted out of Orlando. He was the next Lakers great bigman, the next in line after Wilt, Kareem, and Shaq. And everyone acted like the team still had 2009 Kobe Bryant, not Kobe entering the Patrick Ewing phase of his career where he was slowing down bigtime but still wanted the ball every time down the floor. Nash was coming off an impressive couple of years in Phoenix and everyone thought it was an obvious trade, that LA's picks would be late first rounders anyways and that you mortgage the future when you have such a clear path to a title with Howard and Bryant together.

I know Mike Greeny Geenberg declared us champions the day after on Mike & mike it all went down.
That clown doesnt know shit about hoops ... needs to stick to baseball.

[StrengthAndHonor]

They're not a super team.
I agree. We were stacked but never considered a Super team.

[baseline bum]

I know Mike Greeny Geenberg declared us champions the day after on Mike & mike it all went down.
That clown doesnt know shit about hoops ... needs to stick to baseball.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/25/sports/la-sp-lakers-chart-20120925

NBA betting odds: Lakers, Miami Heat listed as preseason favorites
Las Vegas oddsmakers have Lakers and Heat at 9-4 to win NBA title, followed by Oklahoma City Thunder at 4-1, Chicago Bulls at 10-1 and San Antonio Spurs at 12-1.
September 25, 2012

Odds to win 2012-13 NBA title

LAKERS 9-4
Miami 9-4
Oklahoma City 4-1
Chicago 10-1
San Antonio 12-1
Boston 20-1
Indiana 25-1
CLIPPERS 30-1
Memphis 30-1
Philadelphia 30-1
Dallas 40-1
Denver 40-1
New York 40-1
Brooklyn 100-1
Atlanta 100-1
Milwaukee 100-1
Utah 100-1
Portland 100-1
Minnesota 100-1
Golden State 100-1
Houston 200-1
New Orleans 200-1
Sacramento 200-1
Phoenix 200-1
Cleveland 200-1
Detroit 200-1
Washington 200-1
Toronto 500-1
Orlando 1,000-1
Charlotte 1,000-1

Source: The Las Vegas Hotel and Casino.

[baseline bum]

So 2013 Lakers have to be the most disappointing superteam ever. They were the favorites in Vegas a month before the season started and needed a bunch of questionable officiating to even make the playoffs (eg shooting 50 FT vs Golden State). It wasn't just Spurstalk haters hyping the 2013 Lakers as a great team that should have rang.

[140]

I agree. We were stacked but never considered a Super team.
:lol

[Thread]

So 2013 Lakers have to be the most disappointing superteam ever. They were the favorites in Vegas a month before the season started and needed a bunch of questionable officiating to even make the playoffs (eg shooting 50 FT vs Golden State). It wasn't just Spurstalk haters hyping the 2013 Lakers as a great team that should have rang.

They were selling your shit.

[Killakobe81]

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/25/sports/la-sp-lakers-chart-20120925

NBA betting odds: Lakers, Miami Heat listed as preseason favorites
Las Vegas oddsmakers have Lakers and Heat at 9-4 to win NBA title, followed by Oklahoma City Thunder at 4-1, Chicago Bulls at 10-1 and San Antonio Spurs at 12-1.
September 25, 2012

Odds to win 2012-13 NBA title

LAKERS 9-4
Miami 9-4
Oklahoma City 4-1
Chicago 10-1
San Antonio 12-1
Boston 20-1
Indiana 25-1
CLIPPERS 30-1
Memphis 30-1
Philadelphia 30-1
Dallas 40-1
Denver 40-1
New York 40-1
Brooklyn 100-1
Atlanta 100-1
Milwaukee 100-1
Utah 100-1
Portland 100-1
Minnesota 100-1
Golden State 100-1
Houston 200-1
New Orleans 200-1
Sacramento 200-1
Phoenix 200-1
Cleveland 200-1
Detroit 200-1
Washington 200-1
Toronto 500-1
Orlando 1,000-1
Charlotte 1,000-1

Source: The Las Vegas Hotel and Casino.

That doesnt prove anything as far as most disappointing ever ...goes. Are you saying that they had the bestodds of any team ever not to ring? Otherwise not sure it proves anything except they had the most hype in 2013

And besides im just arguing 2014 was more disappointing for me bacause Shaqobe was still near their prime ...i truly thought we would ring pre Colorado ...and even got suckered a bit after .4 but pistons scared the shit out of me once they got Sheed he was a known laker killer
I cant help it if lots of people dont know shit about hoops.

[StrengthAndHonor]

:lol
Hey man, this is getting old. I've been a Clipper fan since 98. Can we please let this one go?

[baseline bum]

That doesnt prove anything as far as most disappointing ever ...goes. Are you saying that they had the bestodds of any team ever not to ring? Otherwise not sure it proves anything except they had the most hype in 2013

A title favorite just eeking into the playoffs on the refs back is enormously disappointing, I don't know how you can argue this. It's like you're looking at this with hindsight instead of in the moment, just like when you try to argue with me that the 2004 Finals wasn't a monumental upset.

[lefty]

:lol

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/modules/PNphpBB2/upload-pics/lakers/4479_lakers_reloaded__2.jpg

[StrengthAndHonor]

2013 Lakers is not much of a disappointment, they were plagued with injuries afterall...

[Horse]

With the obvious ref-rape no way should the kings be on this list. I would also have 2004 near the top.

[whitemamba]

:lol '13 lakers being a super team

[poeticism707]

Hey man, this is getting old. I've been a Clipper fan since 98. Can we please let this one go?

:rollin :rollin :rollin

[Killakobe81]

A title favorite just eeking into the playoffs on the refs back is enormously disappointing, I don't know how you can argue this. It's like you're looking at this with hindsight instead of in the moment, just like when you try to argue with me that the 2004 Finals wasn't a monumental upset.

Not arguing its not a disappointment ...
Im telling you where I rank them. 2004 had a legit title shot.
2013 never wore legit contenders ... at least to ME.
and i called that shit early on.
Im not arguing that the 2013 was not overhyped so not sure what you are even disputing ...
Im actually proud of the fact that i was one of the few that saw the 2013 as fraudulent. All you are doing is showing me how unbiased I can be ...vegas, laker fan laker haters all thought we would win.
As for 2004 didnt say it wasnt a big upset again based on hype it was ...but i also was rightfully scared of the Pistons ...and when everyone was calling sweep or Lakers in 5 ...i was arguing we were in trouble ...
So of course you think the way you do ...because you did not see what i did.

[Killakobe81]

With the obvious ref-rape no way should the kings be on this list. I would also have 2004 near the top.

This.

[Thread]

With the obvious ref-rape no way should the kings be on this list. I would also have 2004 near the top.

Only pussies & assholes blame the officiating.

[Thread]

A title favorite just eeking into the playoffs on the refs back is enormously disappointing, I don't know how you can argue this. It's like you're looking at this with hindsight instead of in the moment, just like when you try to argue with me that the 2004 Finals wasn't a monumental upset.

Only pussies & assholes blame the officiating.

[baseline bum]

Only pussies & assholes blame the officiating.

Fine. A title favorite just eeking into the playoffs is enormously disappointing.

[ambchang]

That Barkley Pippen dream Clyde rockets have to be there somewhere.

[Killakobe81]

That Barkley Pippen dream Clyde rockets have to be there somewhere.

thought the same ...

[hitmanyr2k]

That Barkley Pippen dream Clyde rockets have to be there somewhere.

That team never existed. It was Clyde, Barkley, Olajuwon in '97 and maybe '98 and then after Clyde left Pippen joined Barkley and Olajuwon in '99 in the lockout season. And I would hardly call them a super-team considering all of them were past their primes. Barkley was 35-36, Olajuwon was 36 and Pippen was 33-34 and just coming off back surgery after the '98 Finals. They were the all-geriatric team lol.

[baseline bum]

That team never existed. It was Clyde, Barkley, Olajuwon in '97 and maybe '98 and then after Clyde left Pippen joined Barkley and Olajuwon in '99 in the lockout season. And I would hardly call them a super-team considering all of them were past their primes. Barkley was 35-36, Olajuwon was 36 and Pippen was 33-34 and just coming off back surgery after the '98 Finals. They were the all-geriatric team lol.

That backcourt was shit too in 99, I think they were starting a rookie Michael Dickerson and a rookie Cuttino Mobley. Both were talented and became good players but hard to call that a superteam when it was starting two rookies. That was such a terrible situation for Pippen since Barkley and Olajuwon would just take 10 seconds backing their man down every single possession and half of Pippens shots would be desperation threes at the shot clock buzzer off passes from Barkley and Olajuwon. And of course Rocket fan blamed Scottie instead of their two black holes on the block. The 99 Rockets had maybe the ugliest offense I have seen since Fratello's Cavs.

[Killakobe81]

That team never existed. It was Clyde, Barkley, Olajuwon in '97 and maybe '98 and then after Clyde left Pippen joined Barkley and Olajuwon in '99 in the lockout season. And I would hardly call them a super-team considering all of them were past their primes. Barkley was 35-36, Olajuwon was 36 and Pippen was 33-34 and just coming off back surgery after the '98 Finals. They were the all-geriatric team lol.

So past their prime players disqualify you mean like malone and GP in 2004
Or nash in 2013?
They (rox) were a superteam on paper as well ...

[baseline bum]

So past their prime players disqualify you mean like malone and GP in 2004
Or nash in 2013?
They (rox) were a superteam on paper as well ...

Shaq and Kobe were prime in 2004, Kobe and Howard were hyped as prime in 2013.

[hitmanyr2k]

So past their prime players disqualify you mean like malone and GP in 2004
Or nash in 2013?
They (rox) were a superteam on paper as well ...

Yeah, I think age disqualifies any team that has over the hill stars that can't do what they once did on a consistent basis. It's like calling the 2012 Celtics a superteam because they still had Pierce, Ray Allen and KG. They were a superteam in '08 but in '12 those fuckers were OLD and couldn't perform consistently like they did in their late 20's, early 30's.

[AlexJones]

04 Lakers win the title against any other East champion from 1999-2007.

[RsxPiimp]

That one time Knicks had Ewing, LJ, Allan Houston and Sprewell...

[djohn2oo8]

That backcourt was shit too in 99, I think they were starting a rookie Michael Dickerson and a rookie Cuttino Mobley. Both were talented and became good players but hard to call that a superteam when it was starting two rookies. That was such a terrible situation for Pippen since Barkley and Olajuwon would just take 10 seconds backing their man down every single possession and half of Pippens shots would be desperation threes at the shot clock buzzer off passes from Barkley and Olajuwon. And of course Rocket fan blamed Scottie instead of their two black holes on the block. The 99 Rockets had maybe the ugliest offense I have seen since Fratello's Cavs.
Pippen was a cancer everywhere he played without Jordan. That can't be argued.

[ambchang]

That team never existed. It was Clyde, Barkley, Olajuwon in '97 and maybe '98 and then after Clyde left Pippen joined Barkley and Olajuwon in '99 in the lockout season. And I would hardly call them a super-team considering all of them were past their primes. Barkley was 35-36, Olajuwon was 36 and Pippen was 33-34 and just coming off back surgery after the '98 Finals. They were the all-geriatric team lol.

The that's two disappointing super teams then.

No way can I not call an Olajuwon Barkley Clyde/Pippen team a superteam. And those were disappointing teams too.

Nash was geriatric when he joined the lakers, so was Kobe. Same as Malone and Payton.

[ambchang]

That backcourt was shit too in 99, I think they were starting a rookie Michael Dickerson and a rookie Cuttino Mobley. Both were talented and became good players but hard to call that a superteam when it was starting two rookies. That was such a terrible situation for Pippen since Barkley and Olajuwon would just take 10 seconds backing their man down every single possession and half of Pippens shots would be desperation threes at the shot clock buzzer off passes from Barkley and Olajuwon. And of course Rocket fan blamed Scottie instead of their two black holes on the block. The 99 Rockets had maybe the ugliest offense I have seen since Fratello's Cavs.

That's about not utilizing strengths and integrating the right talents.

We all know Barkley can't do anything but pound the ball on offense. He did it his entire basketball career. And it alos shows how good Olajuwon is when he isn't Surrounded by three point shooters.

[ambchang]

Pippen was a cancer everywhere he played without Jordan. That can't be argued.

He played well with the Blazers.

[baseline bum]

Pippen was a cancer everywhere he played without Jordan. That can't be argued.

Why is Rocket fan so bitter at Pippen? Rudy T just stuck him at the three point line to be a spot up shooter and bail out Barkley and Olajuwon. Why would you use a ballhandler like Pippen in a role that mismatched to his skillset? He's Scottie Pippen, one of the great point forwards of all-time, he's not fucking Danny Green. That wouldn't have worked even when Barkley and Olajuwon were still devastating options down low, much less when both were so washed up by 1999. That was a painful team to watch and Rudy coached it like he still had 95 Olajuwon and 93 Barkley and as if Pippen was Bruce Bowen. And fatass Barkley who never won shit calling out Pippen as uncommitted on NBC. :lol

[baseline bum]

That's about not utilizing strengths and integrating the right talents.

We all know Barkley can't do anything but pound the ball on offense. He did it his entire basketball career. And it alos shows how good Olajuwon is when he isn't Surrounded by three point shooters.

True, but Barkley didn't back it down 10-15 seconds every possession like he did on that 99 Rockets team once he was so far past his prime. That Rockets team had to be the inspiration for the five second backdown rule. That team made the 99 Spurs look like 7 seconds or less.

[Killakobe81]

Shaq and Kobe were prime in 2004, Kobe and Howard were hyped as prime in 2013.

How the hell was Kobe prime in 2013?

[Killakobe81]

The that's two disappointing super teams then.

No way can I not call an Olajuwon Barkley Clyde/Pippen team a superteam. And those were disappointing teams too.

Nash was geriatric when he joined the lakers, so was Kobe. Same as Malone and Payton.

Wow we agree. 2004 definitely more disapointing because Kobe was nearing his prime and Shaq was just past his
..

[snickles]

wow....the standards for being a super team sure have fallen.......

[ambchang]

True, but Barkley didn't back it down 10-15 seconds every possession like he did on that 99 Rockets team once he was so far past his prime. That Rockets team had to be the inspiration for the five second backdown rule. That team made the 99 Spurs look like 7 seconds or less.

No doubt. Barkley got results when he was in his prime and didn't get it done when he was past his prime but didn't realize it.

He still pounded the ball like crazy when he was inphilly and Phoenix.

[ambchang]

Wow we agree. 2004 definitely more disapointing because Kobe was nearing his prime and Shaq was just past his
..

They are all disappointing though.

As for primes. Shaq was still there. Not 2001 prime but he was still top 2 or 3 player that year. Kobes prime is hard to define. He's the best 05 to 07 but the best version and most productive version of Kobe was 2002.

[DMC]

wow....the standards for being a super team sure have fallen.......
When Allan Houston and Spree are mentioned, you bet.

Super teams are comprised of "face of the franchise" level players who were actually just that elsewhere.

Pau comes to mind, so does Howard and Steve Nash. If that team wasn't a super team there has never been one.

[Killakobe81]

They are all disappointing though.

As for primes. Shaq was still there. Not 2001 prime but he was still top 2 or 3 player that year. Kobes prime is hard to define. He's the best 05 to 07 but the best version and most productive version of Kobe was 2002.

Probably should have said peak but it doesnt really matter the point stands.
All the teams listed were disappointments for various reasons but 2004 and 1984 Are the Laker teams I was most "sure of" that failed to ring ...if we are basing it off confidence going in to the season.

The Rox were aged and not the favorites but definitely warrant mentioning.
I dont remember all the disharmony but I do recall Pippen criticizing Chuck for being out of shape and lazy on defense. Which did not seem unfair at the time. I do think Pippen's ego was something that he does not get criticized for outside of the Kukoc incident.

[Darius McCrary]

06 Spurs

The bench was supposed to be better than other team's starters.

[spurraider21]

where do the LeBron/Kawhi/Paul George/Anthony Davis LAvengers rank?

[AaronY]

Too lazy to watch but the Rockets with barkley, drexler, and olajuwon and then later barkley, pippen, and olajuwon are hopefully in that video.

[FrostKing]

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Killer John

[FrostKing]

FYI Pippen only played 54 games including playoffs with the Rockets. They lost 1-3 to the Lakers in the 1st Round

Shaq averaged 29.5 & 10.3
vs
Hakeem averaged 13.3 & 7.3


The following season Hakeem only played 44 games and barely averaged over 10 PPG

[lefty]

That Barkley Pippen dream Clyde rockets have to be there somewhere.

Not really most of them were washed up

[Chucho]

04 Mavs were disappointing AF considering they were close to the Finals in 03.

Antawn Jamison
Antoine Walker
Finding
Nash
Dirk

That's stacked.