Black Lives Matter Policy Agenda

[rmt]

The six platform demands are:

1. End the war on black people.

2. Reparations for past and continuing harms.

3. Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people.

4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.

5. Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us.

6. Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-releases-policy-agenda-n620966

[boutons_deux]

What's the problem?

Just about equivalent the strategies of ALEC, BigCorp, US CoC

O I C, it's a strategy by black people, rather than white.

[Aztecfan03]

WHat else would you expect from racists?

[DarrinS]

You racist piece of shit. All that bullshit you tried to claim about your nanny (see employee). But like I said you worthless excuse for a characature of a person, you only liked them when they were servants.

do one fucking noble thing and kill yourself you piece of shit racist


Get back on your meds, quick.

[CosmicCowboy]

The six platform demands are:

1. End the war on black people.

Bullshit. There is no war.

2. Reparations for past and continuing harms.

Bullshit. Stay in school and get a job. We are several generations past slaves and slave owners. Get the fuck over it and quit playing the victim card

3. Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people.

Quit committing crimes and we will quit putting you in jail.


4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.

Get a fucking job and own your own shit. You have no right to others stuff.


5. Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us.

Huh? We already have that. Same laws apply to all

6. Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society.

That's worked really fucking well in Africa.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-lives-matter-releases-policy-agenda-n620966

[Aztecfan03]

On a similar note, protesters in New York what to abolish the NYPD.

[pgardn]

On a similar note, protesters in New York what to abolish the NYPD.

This kind of ironic.

The same city in which the largest number of people were killed in riots because there was no law enforcement. Riots went on for days non stop when New Yorkers disagreed about who to back in the lead up to the Civil War. It was actually difficult to kill people in large numbers the guns were so pitiful. 160 killed but clearly many more died than this.

[pgardn]

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[Avante]

Never have understood what is wrong with being a racist. Hell yes we're different, if we weren't then we wouldn't have any races but the human race. Why is it...."WHAT??"...to point out our obvious differences?

There are tons of stats out there proving that we are not the same, so why this need to play pretend? You want high level electronics you want them built in Asia, not Mexico. You want to recruit some speedy footballers, you are in Cali, Florida and Texas, where the blacks play. You need some fruit picked, it's Mexicans. That is simply how it is.

Mexican R&B? Hillbillie funk? Them Asian blues? Ya walk into a white biker bar in west texas, put a buck in the jukebox and this come on.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4nOHdUntyM

[IceColdBrewski]

Translation. Give us tons of free shit, get rid of those pesky laws (and those who enforce them) that make being a criminal such pain in the ass, then leave us alone and let us do whatever the hell we want.

[boutons_deux]

CosmicParasite goes full-blown, proud white supremacist/racist.

[DarrinS]

Demands?

Or what?

[CosmicCowboy]

CosmicParasite goes full-blown, proud white supremacist/racist.

Take it point by point and tell me what the great cum splattered Bookaki would do with their demands.

[Aztecfan03]

BLM goes full-blown, proud black supremacist/racist.

[ElNono]

well, if you're going to ask, might aswell shoot for the moon... then you get what you paid for...

[Chinook]

That's a shitty agenda, for sure. But as Nono says, you do have to aim high and negotiate down. Realistically, this is how I'd like to see these line items interpreted.

1. End the war on black people.

-- Increase training for police officers on conflict resolution and enact harsher punishments for officers found to use force (deadly and otherwise) when not warranted. If you kill someone without cause, you shouldn't continue to be a cop. There are some accidents you don't get to come back from.

-- In pair with that needs to be a more open communal effort to educate citizens (of all races really) on how they can avoid conflict with the police. Things like, record everything, but do NOT under any circumstances struggle or resist arrest. You can sort out wrongful arrests later, but you can't come back from the dead.

-- Create a fund to pay for legal counsel for wrongful arrest suits that seem legitimate.

2. Reparations for past and continuing harms.

-- Not a believer in reparations. Just fix the damned education system and raise the minimum wage.

3. Divestment from the institutions that criminalize, cage and harm black people; and investment in the education, health and safety of black people.

-- Well, I think the prison system is broken. But my solution would be like atomizing criminals, so no one should listen to my suggestions on this. I think you do what you can to limit the amount of "necessary crime" (like stealing food, hopping the gate to get on a subway), but in general, I have no tolerance for it.

--Obviously a fan or education and healthcare for all. It's shameful that the standard of living is so low for poor people here. If rich people want to pay extra for better versions, that's fine, but the minimum needs to be raised.

4. Economic justice for all and a reconstruction of the economy to ensure our communities have collective ownership, not merely access.

--Well now, this is a strange and almost Marxist line. Raising wages should help, but you're not going to see a better community without also removing cheaters and excising the dependency culture. If you get rid of the leeches and make sure working people can pay their bills on 40 hours of honest work a week, and you could probably get a better sense of community.

5. Community control of the laws, institutions and policies that most impact us.

-- I mean, that's not going to happen? Hell, we need MORE standardization in laws, not less. But yes, it would be nice for the people who are implementing those laws to work more with the community and for the local lawmakers to consult individuals more often. That's a basic problem with representative democracy, though. If you want to change that, you have to vote.

6. Independent black political power and black self-determination in all areas of society.

-- REALLY not a fan of self-segregation. Honestly not a fan of negritude at all. People need to stop treating race like it's a sports team. Definitely encourage people to fight for what they believe in. But there shouldn't be a quota of black people in politics.

[boutons_deux]

CosmicParasite, this is, has been a War on Blacks, and Poor Whites

https://www.facebook.com/FilmingCops/videos/899326260102470/

[CosmicCowboy]

CosmicParasite, this is, has been a War on Blacks, and Poor Whites

https://www.facebook.com/FilmingCops/videos/899326260102470/

American society is not at war with blacks you fucking idiot.

[boutons_deux]

American society is not at war with blacks you fucking idiot.

Has been for 400 years and still is. There's tons of evidence, see the video all the way through, the The New Jim Crow has the same objective as the The Old Jim Crow, just more subtle.

[CosmicCowboy]

Blacks that want to stay in school and conform to society are doing just fine. People are always looking for good employees no matter what color.

Blacks that want to act like worthless thugs get treated like worthless thugs along with the white trash.

[boutons_deux]

Blacks that want to stay in school and conform to society are doing just fine. People are always looking for good employees no matter what color.

Blacks that want to act like worthless thugs get treated like worthless thugs along with the white trash.

what percentage of blacks are worthless knitters? Even middle class blacks don't call the police because they fear the police, have no idea who the police will go after when they show up.

[CosmicCowboy]

what percentage of blacks are worthless knitters? Even middle class blacks don't call the police because they fear the police, have no idea who the police will go after when they show up.

That's bullshit. Cops are not out to kill blacks.

If they think that they are as dumb as you are.

[boutons_deux]

That's bullshit. Cops are not out to kill blacks.

If they think that they are as dumb as you are.

stats don't lie. Cops spend more energy saving animals than they do standing around watching Garner gurgle to death, or shoot Tamir Rice without warning.

[DarrinS]

what percentage of blacks are worthless knitters? Even middle class blacks don't call the police because they fear the police, have no idea who the police will go after when they show up.

There are some bad apples in law enforcement. That being said, if you fight the cops or point a gun at them, your odds of being shot go up dramatically.

[TheGreatYacht]

Black Lives Matter

[CosmicCowboy]

Blue Lives Matter

:lmao

[Trill Clinton]

Blacks that want to stay in school and conform to society are doing just fine. People are always looking for good employees no matter what color.

Blacks that want to act like worthless thugs get treated like worthless thugs along with the white trash.

No we're not doing just fine. I wish you suspected white supremacists would stop speaking for us.

[FromWayDowntown]

It's usually convincing when white guys tell everybody else that racial discrimination is no longer a real problem in our society.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's usually convincing when white guys tell everybody else that racial discrimination is no longer a real problem in our society.

There is a huge difference between isolated discrimination and a WAR ON BLACKS!

[CosmicCowboy]

No we're not doing just fine. I wish you suspected white supremacists would stop speaking for us.

Did Mommy cut your allowance? Sounds like your personal problem. Be honest. Is the only reason you aren't doing "just fine" because you are black? There are a lot of others in the world that aren't doing "just fine" that can't victim blame it on being black.

[Chinook]

It's not as easy to be black as some might assume, in the very least because you have to do an extra song and dance to "prove yourself" to folks like CC. It's absurd to think than any message can speak either for or to "black people" as if it's some monolithic slate.

No, you don't have a right profile black people or to expect "shape up" before you stop discriminating. No matter how many black people you meet that upset you, you don't get to take it out on the next one. People are individuals, and no one bears the burdens of strangers.

But no, youcan't act like what happened 150 years ago justifies where they are. The government doesn't owe anyone money for slavery. You don't deserve to get things without earning them.

[DarrinS]

It's usually convincing when white guys tell everybody else that racial discrimination is no longer a real problem in our society.

I think it still exists, to a certain extent, and always will. But, I've also seen a lot of lies and false narratives in the BLM movement.

[boutons_deux]

Justice Department report: Baltimore police routinely violated civil rights

Baltimore police routinely violated the constitutional rights of residents by conducting unlawful stops and using excessive force, according to the findings of a long-anticipated Justice Department probe to be released Wednesday.

The practices overwhelmingly affected the city's black residents in low-income neighborhoods, according to the 163-page report. In often scathing language, the report identified systemic problems and cited detailed examples.

The investigators found that "supervisors have issued explicitly discriminatory orders, such as directing a shift to arrest 'all the black hoodies' in a neighborhood."

They also found that black residents were more likely to be stopped and searched as pedestrians and drivers even though police were more likely to find illegal guns, illicit drugs and other contraband on white residents.

Police practices in Baltimore "perpetuate and fuel a multitude of issues rooted in poverty and race, focusing law enforcement actions on low-income, minority communities" and encourage officers to have "unnecessary, adversarial interactions with community members," the report said.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-doj-report-20160809-story.html

Baltimore police broke Freddy Gray's back, paralyzed and murdered him.

But the racist cops executing FG is OK with CC, etc because FG was a thug.

Anybody think a racist Repug DoJ would even bother to investigate?

[CosmicCowboy]

They also found that black residents were more likely to be stopped and searched as pedestrians and drivers even though police were more likely to find illegal guns, illicit drugs and other contraband on white residents.

I would love to see the footnote and study to back up that claim.

[DarrinS]

But the racist cops executing FG ...


like I said, lies and false narratives

[boutons_deux]

like I said, lies and false narratives

... lies and false narratives spew forth from you rightwingnut assholes, denying AGW, denying systemic, institutional racism.

[FromWayDowntown]

There is a huge difference between isolated discrimination and a WAR ON BLACKS!

That might appear true to you, but to a black kid in a ghetto who sees plenty of anecdotal evidence about how poorly whites think of him and his neighbors and how little regard there can be at times for black lives (both within his own community and in the interactions of the broader community with his own community), I'm not sure that he'd agree. To him, it may not be a "war" that people have knowingly entered into, but the pervasiveness of institutional and societal discrimination in vast swaths of American life might seem very much as though there are many who wish he did not even exist, or that he existed in some other place.

I'm not sure why so many whites recoil at the idea that we still haven't solved racial discrimination.

[boutons_deux]

CC: "isolated discrimination"

:lol just another racist extreme rightwingnut denying widespread, systemic, institutional racism exists.

[DarrinS]

I'm not sure why so many whites recoil at the idea that we still haven't solved racial discrimination.

The recoil is because of the bad examples used as examples, e.g. Mike Brown. Hell, some kid was run over the other day at a memorial/protest for that fraud. Oh, and they ran after and shot at the persons car, who probably didn't even see this kid.

[SnakeBoy]

That might appear true to you, but to a black kid in a ghetto who sees plenty of anecdotal evidence about how poorly whites think of him and his neighbors and how little regard there can be at times for black lives (both within his own community and in the interactions of the broader community with his own community), I'm not sure that he'd agree. To him, it may not be a "war" that people have knowingly entered into, but the pervasiveness of institutional and societal discrimination in vast swaths of American life might seem very much as though there are many who wish he did not even exist, or that he existed in some other place.


That's your privileged adult white perspective on what that black ghetto kid must be be thinking. In reality the kid is just thinking where is my daddy.

[boutons_deux]

The recoil is because of the bad examples used as examples, e.g. Mike Brown. Hell, some kid was run over the other day at a memorial/protest for that fraud. Oh, and they ran after and shot at the persons car, who probably didn't even see this kid.

Brown was absolutely typical: Racist white cop cruising a poor black neighborhood to nail knitters for trivial offenses, or no offense at all (Tamir Rice, John Crawford III)

Same with Sandra Bland, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin, and those are just the examples that got video'd and/or publicized.

[Chinook]

That's your privileged adult white perspective on what that black ghetto kid must be be thinking. In reality the kid is just thinking where is my daddy.

You make that hypocritical statement as if that somehow justifies scorn for the kid.

"Hey look at that asshole who misses his father. What a leech."

[DarrinS]

Brown was absolutely typical: Racist white cop cruising a poor black neighborhood to nail knitters for trivial offenses, or no offense at all (Tamir Rice, John Crawford III)

Same with Sandra Bland, Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin, and those are just the examples that got video'd and/or publicized.




Wow, you just listed every worst example. Why not add Koryn Gaines to your list?

There are actually good examples out there -- you just didn't list any.

[FromWayDowntown]

That's your privileged adult white perspective on what that black ghetto kid must be be thinking. In reality the kid is just thinking where is my daddy.

You're right. I've never interacted with anyone with that life perspective.

[Trill Clinton]

Did Mommy cut your allowance? Sounds like your personal problem. Be honest. Is the only reason you aren't doing "just fine" because you are black? There are a lot of others in the world that aren't doing "just fine" that can't victim blame it on being black.

as a suspected white supremacist, you know know how the systematic racism works. just because others are fine being victims don't mean i have to accept it.

[boutons_deux]

Wow, you just listed every worst example. Why not add Koryn Gaines to your list?

There are actually good examples out there -- you just didn't list any.

The ones I listed were all valid, typical. There have been many more in the media.

Koryn Gaines was guilty of being stupid bitch breaking the law, so she wouldn't be on my list.

[Trill Clinton]

what a surprise. DOJ finds baltimore pd infested with systematic racismhttp://i63.tinypic.com/avpgzp.png
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[Trill Clinton]

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where are the black fathers? oh yea, being victims of systematic racism which sends them to for profit prison for trumped charges http://i63.tinypic.com/avpgzp.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

You make that hypocritical statement as if that somehow justifies scorn for the kid.

"Hey look at that asshole who misses his father. What a leech."

Nothing hypocritical about what I said and there's no judgement on the kid either but go on believing children in ghetto's are spending their time contemplating the "pervasiveness of institutional and societal discrimination in vast swaths of American life" if it makes you feel better.

[Chinook]

Nothing hypocritical about what I said and there's no judgement on the kid either but go on believing children in ghetto's are spending their time contemplating the "pervasiveness of institutional and societal discrimination in vast swaths of American life" if it makes you feel better.

I'm pretty sure I'm in a better position to speak about that than you are. But that said, I don't disagree that they are constantly looking at it from this philosophical angle. But if you don't think black people don't often feel screwed by the system, you're massively out of touch. While I think it's overstated, there's a reason why these thoughts are so constantly spoken, despite differences in class and other demographic status.

And yes, it's hypocritical for you to tell someone else they don't know what others are thinking and then to assert that you yourself do.

[FromWayDowntown]

Donald Trump: "The system is rigged against me!"

Some Republicans: "He's absolutely right!"

_________

Young Black Males: "The system is rigged against me."

Some Republicans: "Quit acting like a victim, thug."

[Splits]

I would love to see the footnote and study to back up that claim.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download

The database we created from hard copy stop reports reveals that BPD officers search African Americans at disproportionate rates. During pedestrian stops, officers searched 13 percent of African Americans compared to only 9.5 percent of other people—making African Americans 37 percent more likely to be searched when stopped than other residents. Similarly, officers were 23 percent more likely to search African Americans during vehicle stops. These differences are significant beyond conventional levels of statistical significance.


Justice Department experts found that racial disparities in search rates persisted after using regression techniques to control for relevant variables, including the area in which a stop occurred and the assignment and experience level of the officers involved.


These racial disparities suggest that BPD’s search practices discriminate against African Americans. Search rate differences do not alone establish disproportionate impact based on race, however, because it is possible that differential search rates are driven by race-neutral explanations. For that reason, the best measure of racial patterns in searches is a comparison of the rates at which officers find contraband during searches, or “hit rates.” See, e.g., John Knowles, Nicola Persico & Petra Todd, Racial Bias in Motor Vehicle Searches: Theory and Evidence, 109 JOURNAL OF POLITICALECONOMY 203 (2001). A lower hit rate for searches of a particular demographic group is evidence that officers apply a lower threshold of suspicion when deciding to search members of that group compared to others.


To the extent that BPD collects hit rate data, it suggests that officers’ search decisions are biased against African Americans. Indeed, BPD’s data on all stops from 2010–2015 shows that searches of African Americans have significantly lower hit rates than other searches. During vehicles tops, BPD officers reported finding some type of contraband less than half as often when searching African Americans—in only 3.9 percent of searches of African Americans, compared to 8.5 percent of other searches. Search hit rates during pedestrian stops also exhibited large disparities, with officers finding contraband in only 2.6 percent of African American searches compared to 3.9 percent for other searches—a 50 percent difference. These results are statistically significant.

Footnote:
61 This analysis is based on all 3,863 searches that BPD recorded for pedestrian stops and 1,495 searches recorded forvehicle stops from 2010–2015. As discussed above, these data likely fail to capture a significant number of searches thatBPD officers actually conducted during this period. The hit rates from these searches are nonetheless indicative of bias,however, because there is no reason to believe that there are systematic differences in how BPD records searchoutcomes based on the race of the person searched. In other words, BPD officers sometimes fail to record theirsearches at all. But when searches are recorded, there is no indication that officers change how they record the fruits ofthe search based on the race of the person searched. Nor does it appear that officers disproportionately record searches

[SnakeBoy]

I'm pretty sure I'm in a better position to speak about that than you are. But that said, I don't disagree that they are constantly looking at it from this philosophical angle. But if you don't think black people don't often feel screwed by the system, you're massively out of touch. While I think it's overstated, there's a reason why these thoughts are so constantly spoken, despite differences in class and other demographic status.


This is why I don't try to have any meaningful conversations on this forum. You just made up shit that was never said. I don't think black people feel screwed by the system, I think they ARE screwed by the system. The reasons are too complex to discuss in a few sentences so I won't bother challenging the "PoPo is bad, white people bad" routine. Carry on.



And yes, it's hypocritical for you to tell someone else they don't know what others are thinking and then to assert that you yourself do.

You're right, it's hypocritical of me to challenge the idea that a 7 year old black child in the ghetto doesn't look at the world exactly the same as a Harvard professor of black studies...my bad. Carry on.

[DarrinS]

Donald Trump: "The system is rigged against me!"

Some Republicans: "He's absolutely right!"

_________

Young Black Males: "The system is rigged against me."

Some Republicans: "Quit acting like a victim, thug."


I think he says that as a nod to Bernie supporters.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

American society is not at war with blacks you fucking idiot.

Baltimore and Ferguson police supervisors instructed their force to target black people. You're an ignorant fuck, pedofattie.

[DarrinS]

Baltimore and Ferguson police supervisors instructed their force to target black people. You're an ignorant fuck, pedofattie.


If you stop a random person in those areas, they're more likely to be black, tbh. See demographics

[boutons_deux]

If you stop a random person in those areas, they're more likely to be black, tbh. See demographics

I bet the racist cops concentrate on "those areas". Ferguson cops and municipality were found by DoJ to concentrate on arresting, ticketing blacks specifically to finance city operations.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you stop a random person in those areas, they're more likely to be black, tbh. See demographics

I didn't say that the supervisors said to arrest more people in a particular area now did I?

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

nfzsMDl1GNY #rekt

[DarrinS]

nfzsMDl1GNY #rekt


Darwin Award

Oh, and no one was shooting at the protesters. The protesters were trying to shoot the driver.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-ferguson-vigil-idUSKCN10L0NZ

[DarrinS]

I didn't say that the supervisors said to arrest more people in a particular area now did I?

Well, you mentioned Baltimore and Ferguson. Did you mean somewhere else?

[boutons_deux]

Baltimore cops stopped an innocent mid-50s black man 30 times in less than 4 years

African Americans accounted for 95 percent of the 410 individuals stopped at least ten times by BPD officers from 2010–2015. During this period, BPD stopped 34 African Americans at least 20 times and seven other African Americans at least 30 times.

No person of any other race was stopped more than 12 times. One African-American man in his mid-fifties was stopped 30 times in less than four years.

The only reasons provided for these stops were officers’ suspicion that the man was “loitering” or “trespassing,” or as part of a “CDS investigation.”

On at least 15 occasions, officers detained the man while they checked to see if he had outstanding warrants.

Despite these repeated intrusions, none of the 30 stops resulted in a citation or criminal charge.

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/10/12418430/baltimore-police-racial-bias-justice-department

CC, our resident War on Blacks denier :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, you mentioned Baltimore and Ferguson. Did you mean somewhere else?

Feigned stupidity sits well on you.

[DarrinS]

Feigned stupidity sits well on you.


Baltimore and Ferguson police supervisors instructed their force to target black people. You're an ignorant fuck, pedofattie.


The two places you mentioned are predominantly black. What am I missing?

[Chinook]

This is why I don't try to have any meaningful conversations on this forum. You just made up shit that was never said. I don't think black people feel screwed by the system, I think they ARE screwed by the system. The reasons are too complex to discuss in a few sentences so I won't bother challenging the "PoPo is bad, white people bad" routine. Carry on.

The reason why you can't have a meaningful discussion is because you apparently can't go two posts in a row without eviscerating you're own point. You asserted that blacks in the ghetto didn't think about the high-philosophical aspects of race discrimination and instead focused on things like "Where's my daddy?" I said that I agree that they aren't writing Pulitzer-winning essays in their heads about the issue but that they do feel like they are being screwed by the system. That screwing includes what FWD said, that they see many examples of how no one seems to care about their safety, how people seem to ignore them at best and hate them at worst. How they have to try extra hard just of people will considering them normal humans. It's not going to be just "Where's my daddy?" any more than a white kid would just think, "I know where my dad is".


You're right, it's hypocritical of me to challenge the idea that a 7 year old black child in the ghetto doesn't look at the world exactly the same as a Harvard professor of black studies...my bad. Carry on.

It's hypocritical to assert you know what someone is thinking right after chastising someone else for doing that. Now, you're just trying to complicate this. Black people aren't homogeneous. We don't all think the same, and we don't all have the same experiences. I don't worry about being stuck in a poverty cycle like folks in the ghetto might. But I do worry about being confronted by a man in plain clothes who's carrying a gun and not knowing whether it's a robber or an off-duty cop. I worry that if I'm walking in my neighborhood at night that people will consider me a threat even though I've been there longer than almost everyone else has.

Black people more successful than people might worry about their work not being published as frequently or clients being warded off from their services or that people are going to think they are stealing of trespassing in their own cars or houses. The way the anxiety of many black people manifests itself definitely depends on the socioeconomic class they're in. But it has the same root cause, which is just a general feeling of alienation from their homeland by people who think it's time to "get tough" on them and force them to "shape up" in order to be considered part of society.