White media's last hope for Luck breakout year, tbh

[Kyle Orton]

Thats because Irsay is a fucktard and just wants to sell tickets. They did the same shit with Manning in 2011.

At this point the cat is out of the bag on just how shitty of a franchise Indy is. Unbelievable job by Peyton for keeping that place together for so long tbh

[unleashbaynes]

At this point the cat is out of the bag on just how shitty of a franchise Indy is. Unbelievable job by Peyton for keeping that place together for so long tbh

Not according to CN. Apparently Peyton was just lucky to be playing with that legendary Colts defense.

[Robz4000]

Officially shut down for the season.

[Avante]

Finally a smart move by the Colts.

[SuperCam]

927996764568915968

pour one out for Andrew Tannyhill tbh :toast


White media has abandoned him for good and moved on to Wentz anyways :lol

[leemajors]

So basically the Colts fucked his career. Played injured the last two seasons.

[resistanze]

Luck or RG3 tbh

[djohn2oo8]

Well is he in Europe looking for a treatment for his shoulder.

[Robz4000]

Starting to look like he may have to reitre. Real shame; fuck the Colts for destroying his career before it could take off.

[SuperCam]

983405746686750726


damn this nig is quite done, tbh. not wiping his own ass 500+ days after surgery.


with peyton retired, wentz injured, rodgers homo deviance, and Tom looking washed, for the first time in decades there is a power vacuum for the great white media hope QB in the nfl.

[spurraider21]

brady is coming of a 500 yard superbowl performance against a great defense and that's him looking washed? :lmao

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Luck or RG3 tbh

Russell Wilson

[Avante]

Russell Wilson

It's never really been in any doubt.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Damn shame. Its going to be a long ass rebuild, Jacoby sucks.

[Avante]

Luck's career comp %.....59.2, his career QB rating 87.3 and he threw a ton of INT's.

Never have really got the guy being anything special.

Wilson at 64.2 and a great 98.8.

Tom Brady THE GOAT at......63.9 and 97.6

Russell Wilson had an historically great first six seasons. Nodody in history has won more games after their first six seasons. Then ya add his NFL record, never seen befores and firsts, only a total idiot like Clipper Nation wouldn't get this.

Take anyone, and compare their first six seasons to what Wilson has done.

Here he is vs Dan Marino QB ratings


season


1.100.0
2.101.2.........only QB in history to start his career with back to back 100.0 ratings
3.95.0
4.110.1....NFL leader
5.92.6
6.95.4

The great Dan Marino

1.96.0
2.108.9...best in career and his only 100.
3.84.1
4.92.5
5.89.2
6.80.8


Now lets compare rushing, hahahaha, yep...just kidding.

How can anyone who follows pro football not see the greatness that is Russell Wilson?


How about Wilson vs the great John Elway?


Are you kidding me? His highest rating....83.4, the rest in the 70's, hell the best of his career....93.0


Lets do Wilson vs the Great Drew Brees

1.94.8
2.76.9
3.67.5.......honest.
4.104.8
5.89.2
6.96.2


Anyone have anyone you think did it better? Here we have a guy who walked right in and took over, that can;t be ignored.

I really don't think this is understood.

1.100.0
2.101.2.........only QB in history to start his career with back to back 100.0 ratings
3.95.0
4.110.1....NFL leader

Three 100 ratings in his first 4 seasons is amazing.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Luck's career comp %.....59.2, his career QB rating 87.3 and he threw a ton of INT's.

Never have really got the guy being anything special.


I remember watching the Cowboys play the Colts not too long ago, yep, Romo vs. Luck head to head in a pivotal Week 16 game that was huge for both sides standings wise....

Luck: 0 TD 3 INT

Romo: 4 TD 1 INT

Cowboys won 35-0, IIRC.

[Avante]

I remember watching the Cowboys play the Colts not too long ago, yep, Romo vs. Luck head to head in a pivotal Week 16 game that was huge for both sides standings wise....

Luck: 0 TD 3 INT

Romo: 4 TD 1 INT

Cowboys won 35-0, IIRC.

Luck was..good...but nothing special. He got way too many props for what he really was/is.

[Clipper Nation]

Luck was..good...but nothing special. He got way too many props for what he really was/is.

:lmao The irony.

[Avante]

:lmao The irony.

Dude, why do you talk QB's at all?

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1043965823377903617
https://twitter.com/GreggDoyelStar/status/1043926340163043329
https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1043954617199915008

Andrew dink and dunk :lol
can't throw 50 yards down the field :lol
Andrew cripplearm :lol

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Mr Dink and Dunk Noodle arm is #2 in the league right now with 20 Tds. Dude is finished!!!

[spurraider21]

he's been getting better as the seasons gone on... receivers in practice were saying his arm has been getting stronger on a weekly basis. he's been one of my better picks in fantasy

[SuperCam]

Mr Dink and Dunk Noodle arm is #2 in the league right now with 20 Tds. Dude is finished!!!

most passing attempts too and usually playing from behind, so not that impressive.

[spurraider21]

most passing attempts too and usually playing from behind, so not that impressive.
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[HarlemHeat37]

I used to think he was extremely overrated, but I kind of feel for him now..not only did they waste his career with bad rosters, but they've even jeopardized his health in such an unprofessional manner..

[SuperCam]

didn't realize all this luck semen shielding was coming after he played the b:lollls this week. qb who gets patted on the head by the media for the least impressive of accomplishments tbh

[Clipper Nation]

didn't realize all this luck semen shielding was coming after he played the b:lollls this week. qb who gets patted on the head by the media for the least impressive of accomplishments tbh
:lol Scam literally got gifted Carson Palmer's MVP because his stacked team had a weak schedule that year.

[Spurtacular]

They sure as shit don't want Jaemis

You triggered, bruh?

https://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.14849465.1510182875!/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/landscape_768/image.jpeg

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

:smokin

[Millennial_Messiah]

4th best QB in football, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Imagine how many rings Seattle would have won with Luck instead of Struggle. Also, Carolina would have beaten the Broncos with Luck instead of Scam.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Imagine how many rings Seattle would have won with Luck instead of Struggle. Also, Carolina would have beaten the Broncos with Luck instead of Scam.

they'd have won 2 tbh. LOB was broken by 2015

[SuperCam]

bragging about a .500 record when you play in the AFCShit :lol

[JohnnyD]

Imagine how many rings Seattle would have won with Luck instead of Struggle. Also, Carolina would have beaten the Broncos with Luck instead of Scam.


Luck like everybody else has inferior stats to Russell Wilson in his first six seasons.

And.....Luck 101.8 passer rating this season, Wilson 110.2.

What do you have against real life?

Luck a career 89.2 passer rating, Wilson 99.2 (below not counting this season)


Reality


Rank


Player
Rate
Years
Tm


1
Aaron Rodgers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm)
103.7
2005-2018
gnb (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/)


2
Russell Wilson (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm)
99.8
2012-2018
sea (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/)


3
Drew Brees (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm)
97.6
2001-2018
2TM


4
Tom Brady (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm)
97.5
2000-2018
nwe (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/)


5
Philip Rivers (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RivePh00.htm)
95.7
2004-2018
sdg (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/)


6
Kirk Cousins (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00.htm)
94.9
2012-2018
2TM


7
Matt Ryan (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00.htm)
94.6
2008-2018
atl (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/atl/)


8
Ben Roethlisberger (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm)
94.4
2004-2018
pit (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/)


9
Matt Schaub (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SchaMa00.htm)
89.1
2004-2018
4TM


10
Andy Dalton (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaltAn00.htm)
88.9
2011-2018
cin (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cin/)


11
Andrew Luck (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LuckAn00.htm)
88.7
2012-2018
clt (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/)

[Darth_Pelican]

:wow 8th consecutive game with 3+ TD passes. Great come from behind victory today.

[SuperCam]

Vinny wins another one tbh

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Luck sets up Vinny to win another one tbh

Meanwhile Cum chokes on cock per usual

[Clipper Nation]

Vinny wins another one tbh
Remember when Gano gifted Scam a win against the Giants?

[spurraider21]

Vinny wins another one tbh
Luck leads his team to 5th consecutive win while Cam is actively finding ways to keep Carolina out of the playoffs :lol

Indy has been a more prolific offense than Carolina and Luck doesn't lean on a midget white running backs as a crutch to generate 90% of the team's offense tbh

:lmao checkdown target CMC leads the panthers in receptions by THIRTY :lmao... Cam either hands the ball off to him or dumps it off to him in the flats. anything else and he shits himself

[SuperCam]

Meanwhile Cum chokes on cock per usual

https://twitter.com/SandoESPN/status/1067201995075776513

At least Cam is playing real teams and not fake CFL quality AFCShit frauds :lol

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/SandoESPN/status/1067201995075776513

At least Cam is playing real teams and not fake CFL quality AFCShit frauds :lol
:lmao yeah like the fucking lions?

[JohnnyZ]

https://twitter.com/SandoESPN/status/1067201995075776513

At least Cam is playing real teams and not fake CFL quality AFCShit frauds :lol

It really is the body of work, not this game to game thing so many play here. Newton is a good QB,ya don;t win the National JC Title, the NCAA title, a Heisman, an NFL MVP and play in a SB and have know nothings running the guy down. That's them showing their ignorance.

BUT....at the NFL level he simply isn't consistant enought, he's way too up and down. Time for you to cool all that unrealistic BS and get real with the fact he's a 12-14ish type talent among QB's because he can't be consistant.

No he's not among the very elite, and his career stats prove that.

[SuperCam]

nobody cares what you have to say you fat pedo punchingbag

[JohnnyZ]

nobody cares what you have to say you fat pedo punchingbag

Not fat, not a pedo and I get about as much attention as anyone else here. So tell us ya little shit when will you figure out Newton wouldn't make a zit on the ass of Russell Wilson? And I am talking career wise, let me guess.....never.

Dude, pull your head of your ass and cool the fantasy bullshit, got it bitch?

[SuperCam]

kori is gonna ban my fat pedo ass once again

[JohnnyZ]

Grow up son, ok?

Stop refusing to deal in real life ok? Newton is just ok, and only a fanboy like you would fail to see that.

How many times has Wilson beat him?

[SuperCam]

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

As i suspected indy has the weakest strength of schedule in the league. it is a testimony to the white supremacy that runs through the coverage of the nfl that Luck is being hyped for padding wins barely above .500 against such a weak lineup of opponents tbh...

[Will Hunting]

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

As i suspected indy has the weakest strength of schedule in the league. it is a testimony to the white supremacy that runs through the coverage of the nfl that Luck is being hyped for padding wins barely above .500 against such a weak lineup of opponents tbh...

I still think he's playing well but he and Rogers both get way too much praise for falling behind and then leading "heroic" 4th quarter comebacks against inferior teams that they should beat by multiple possessions.

[spurraider21]

I still think he's playing well but he and Rogers both get way too much praise for falling behind and then leading "heroic" 4th quarter comebacks against inferior teams that they should beat by multiple possessions.
yeah but this is what he was dealing with early in the season when 90% of their skill players were out with injury

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[Will Hunting]

yeah but this is what he was dealing with early in the season when 90% of their skill players were out with injury

1052233087004884993
Not faulting him for early in the season but more for situations like yesterday when he throws two careless interceptions that keep a game against an inferior team closer than it needs to be.

[JohnnyMax]

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other

As i suspected indy has the weakest strength of schedule in the league. it is a testimony to the white supremacy that runs through the coverage of the nfl that Luck is being hyped for padding wins barely above .500 against such a weak lineup of opponents tbh...

Cowbitch puts Luck second in MVP

b9lLRdTPfHA

[SuperCam]

Shut out against faguars with a 48 passer rating :lol

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1069316554876248064

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Meanwhile: 4 interceptions and counting for Scam Newton today.

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/fbgchase/status/1069330427935113217

Shut out :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Damn, even OBJ is a better QB than Scam Newton :lol

[SuperCam]

Pitched a shutout :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

Goose egg against 3-8 opponent :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Well, now that UNT is writing Luck off, he's about to start looking like an MVP in his prime :lol

[spurraider21]

super cum bumping this to distract from cum playing himself out of the playoffs after a 6-2 start

:lol shitting his pants every time midget white RB doesn't win the game by himself

[djohn2oo8]

Cum made a super bowl. Luck? :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Colts have the most cap space in the NFL next year + a bunch of picks, it would be a failure if they aren't at least a borderline contender next season..

:lol if they blow their cap on Le'Veon Bell..

[SuperCam]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchein/status/1066848794468327425

damn these white shills like Scheinstein must have been pissed today if they were celebrating this hard last week after eeking out a win against a horrible dolphins team :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Shut out against faguars with a 48 passer rating :lol
Lol

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Cum made a super bowl. Luck? :lol

AFCC with the worst roster in the league. Dont pretend like Cum led the Panthers to the superbowl by himself

[JohnnyZ]

Luck in 2018

comp%....67.9
yards....3,360
TD/INT....32-12
rating...98.9

That's a great first 13 weeks.

[SuperCam]

Is andrew tannyhill gonna throw up a 3rd consecutive zero point half? :lol

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Is andrew tannyhill gonna throw up a 3rd consecutive zero point half? :lol

You were saying?

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Is andrew tannyhill gonna throw up a 3rd consecutive zero point half? :lol

Where you at faggot?

[benefactor]

Nice game by Luck tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

Bad day for Supe:lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Imagine still trying to convince yourself that Scam is better than Luck.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Watson, Scam, Lamar Jackson... hell RG3, all came up small and lost when it counted today :lol


Luck is god, but wtf did they lose to the shitty Baguars?

[SuperCam]

Luck padding wins in the AFCShit per par

[Pelicans78]

Luck padding wins in the AFCShit per par

Shows how shitty Cam and the Panthers with the Saints already clinching the division.

[chunticakes]

Not even team leader McCaffrey could save the Panthers from Cum's shit performance :lol

[spurraider21]

Luck padding wins in the AFCShit per par
he just beat a team that was on a 9 game win streak

while cum lost his 5th straight game... to fucking CLEVELAND despite white midget running back carrying the load per par

[Clipper Nation]

Luck padding wins in the AFCShit per par
Scam couldn't even beat the fucking Browns :lol

[spurraider21]

Scam couldn't even beat the fucking Browns :lol
they've lost to the Lions, Bucs, and now Browns in their 5 game losing streak. also lost to Seattle (who supercum also hates) and got their shit pushed in against Pitt

[JohnnyMax]

If he was richer in complexion he'd be on his third team or out the league by now.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Luck padding wins in the AFCShit per par

AFC south only division with 3 teams above .500

[JohnnyMax]

Suck didn't make probowl :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuvcgyaUcAAgcxk.jpg:small

[Darth_Pelican]

Suck didn't make probowl :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuvcgyaUcAAgcxk.jpg:small

He'll be there as an alternate because one of those 3 QB's will make the Super Bowl. Same with Struggle in the NFC.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

For 2018 Luck>>>>>>Brady.

[Will Hunting]

For 2018 Luck>>>>>>Brady.
I wouldn’t use that many arrows but I agree he’s been better. Brady’s mediocre numbers are largely a function of a shitty offensive line and unreliable receivers.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

I wouldn’t use that many arrows but I agree he’s been better. Brady’s mediocre numbers are largely a function of a shitty offensive line and unreliable receivers.

You're right I got carried away with the arrows. I still expect Brady and the Pats to turn it up in the playoffs and go to AFCC.

[Raven]

I wouldn’t use that many arrows but I agree he’s been better. Brady’s mediocre numbers are largely a function of a shitty offensive line and unreliable receivers.
meh, i'd say it's more a product of a terrible defense.

[Raven]

You're right I got carried away with the arrows. I still expect Brady and the Pats to turn it up in the playoffs and go to AFCC.
i do too, but it's illogical.

[Chucho]

I wouldn’t use that many arrows but I agree he’s been better. Brady’s mediocre numbers are largely a function of a shitty offensive line and unreliable receivers.

He's also old. Like he's still playing insanely well for an old dude.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao losing to an Eli Manning-led team to miss the playoffs..

[SuperCam]

:lmao losing to an Eli Manning-led team to miss the playoffs..


below .500 record outside of trash division historically :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lmao what the fuck is he doing? He just threw an INT in the end zone with none of his receivers around..

[Will Hunting]

:lmao losing to an Eli Manning-led team to miss the playoffs..
:lmao and he’s at home no less

He gets way too impatient and tries to force big plays, he’d be elite if he consistently settled down and just took what the defense was giving him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Down 6, getting the ball at the 45 yard line, playoff hopes on the line..no excuse to lose this..

[SuperCam]

what a bunch of faggots, eli and the defense gifts the game to them and they celebrate like they just won a playoff game :lol

worst part is having to listen to a bunch of media jew sycophants pump the mvp narrative despite a historically easy schedule...

[HarlemHeat37]

I had Colts ML to finish a 6-leg parlay, sweating that:lol

[spurraider21]

:lmao losing to an Eli Manning-led team to miss the playoffs..


below .500 record outside of trash division historically :lol


:lmao what the fuck is he doing? He just threw an INT in the end zone with none of his receivers around..


:lmao and he’s at home no less

He gets way too impatient and tries to force big plays, he’d be elite if he consistently settled down and just took what the defense was giving him.
:lmao

[Will Hunting]

:lmao
The criticism in my post still stands, he kills way too many drives going for big plays.

[Cuppycake Gumdrop]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Colts win now that Pagano & Grigson are out.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

:lol Super Cum. Bitch ass faggot

[Clipper Nation]

what a bunch of faggots, eli and the defense gifts the game to them and they celebrate like they just won a playoff game :lol
Scam got Carson Palmer's MVP gifted to him and you celebrated like he won a ring :lol

[Will Hunting]

Btw, :lmao McAfree having over 100 receptions

:lol Cum needing to have an undersized white guy as his safety valve

[gambit1990]

hoping the colts beat the titans and the jags beat the texans so indy wins the division.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

hoping the colts beat the titans and the jags beat the texans so indy wins the division.

Indy even having a chance at the playoffs/division is crazy considering the 1-5 start.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Indy even having a chance at the playoffs/division is crazy considering the 1-5 start.

and the loss after that to crapsonville where you got shut out

[Chucho]

Luck is a top 3 MVP candidate right now. Mahomes lost it pretty much with Kareem Hunt gone and then Phillip Rivers blew his chance to lock it up. Toss up between the 3 right now, tbh.

[spurraider21]

How’s that ass taste?

[Clipper Nation]

Luck just dragged a garbage team to a road playoff win, while Scam Newton missed the playoffs with a stacked team. 'Nuff said.

[Darth_Pelican]

Master precision from Luck eary in this game. He was clearly coasting once he knew the game was over. Beast.

[spurraider21]

He's been a monster since week 3 or so tbh.

The colts also have 2 rookie all pros, 122 mil in cap space, and an additional early 2nd round pick. juggernaut to come.

[SuperCam]

13 points against awful defense :lmao

[Ghazi]

13 points against awful defense :lmao

6 pts tbh :Lmao

[SuperCam]

Called it years ago, tbh :hat


very average qb overall... cracked the top 10 maybe once or twice in his career, that's it. you'd think this was MJ calling it quits after the first threepeat the way the media is covering it though :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Luck out of the league.

Cam still standing.

[Clipper Nation]

Luck out of the league.

Cam still standing.

Luck retires and it's national headlines.

If Cam retired, it would be "Cam who? Oh, didn't he play at Auburn?"

[spurraider21]

He's been a monster since week 3 or so tbh.

The colts also have 2 rookie all pros, 122 mil in cap space, and an additional early 2nd round pick. juggernaut to come.
such shit timing... they actually finally had shit in place, and the fucking centerpiece calls it quits right then :lmao

[JohnnyMax]

https://theundefeated.com/features/black-quarterbacks-are-filling-the-void-on-the-field-can-they-change-the-outlook-of-fans/

Black quarterbacks are filling the void on the field

By William C. Rhoden

September 3, 2019

More than any moral imperative or even necessity, quarterback Andrew Luck’s shocking retirement from the Indianapolis Colts last week assured the permanent imprimatur of black quarterbacks on the soul of the National Football League.

We have made these pronouncements before, of course.

In 2001, when Michael Vick became the first black quarterback taken No. 1 overall, I thought for sure that the frustrations of black quarterbacks past — Fritz Pollard, Willie Thrower, Joe Gilliam, Eldridge Dickey — would be avenged and assuaged. That the black dominance that had evolved at running back, wide receiver and every position on defense would take over the quarterback position as well.

It never happened.

https://img.comc.com/i/MultiSport/2003/TK-Legacy-Michigan-State-Spartans---QB-Club-Autographs/QB1/Jimmy-Raye.jpg?id=8f1957da-66bf-4002-894f-8c9c89cc69eb&size=original

“I thought that would happen after Doug Williams won the Super Bowl, and it didn’t,” said Jimmy Raye, a former All-Big Ten quarterback at Michigan State and a veteran of nearly 40 years of college and NFL coaching.

As a college and NFL coach from 1971 to 2013, Raye, 73, observed and worked with a number of black quarterbacks. He is not convinced that all the gushing about this new wave of black quarterbacks is warranted, not as long as racism is the dominant theme of our culture.

“I think the numbers will increase and tilt more toward minority quarterbacks than it did 20 years ago,” Raye told me recently. “But I don’t think it will ever be a full revolution of all the teams in the NFL having black quarterbacks. I find that hard to believe. I think the NFL will disintegrate before that happens.”

A native of Fayetteville, North Carolina, and the product of a segregated school system, Raye came of age at a time when predominantly white Southern colleges were not recruiting black football players. He was part of coach Duffy Daugherty’s football underground railroad that delivered talented black players from the South to Michigan State. Raye was the All-Big Ten quarterback on the team that won the 1966 national championship. He was the Spartans’ quarterback against Notre Dame in the so-called game of the century that ended in a 10-10 tie.

At 6 feet, 185 pounds, Raye was also part of that generation of “athletic black quarterbacks” who did not fit the NFL’s quarterback mold. He was victimized by a mentality that insisted that athleticism and intelligence were mutually exclusive, especially when it came to black quarterbacks.

Today’s new group of black quarterbacks, despite the persistence of racism, has a chance to cleanse the NFL’s murky past. Luck’s sudden exit will escalate the process, and here’s why:

To many fans, Luck was seen, consciously or unconsciously, as a cultural hedge against this latest wave of black players, who threaten to make quarterbacks look like the largely black NFL secondaries and wide receiver groups. He was being counted on to take the torch from Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers as the face of the NFL. The white face.

As soon as Luck came out of Stanford, he was elevated to the pantheon of all-time great quarterbacks. This continued throughout his career, even though his win/loss record did not justify such an instant elevation.

Luck will turn 30 on Sept. 12. Russell Wilson and Cam Newton, both African American, have had demonstrably more successful NFL careers than Luck and in the same amount of time. Wilson, 30, led Seattle to one Super Bowl championship and came an interception away from winning a second. Newton, also 30, led Carolina to a Super Bowl appearance and has been the league MVP. Neither player has consistently been mentioned like Luck as successor to the quarterback throne.

This is not an attack on Luck, or on scouts and front-office personnel who, by and large, are driven by the need to win games. This is a critique of the latter-day incarnation of Jack London’s Great White Hope admonishment to Jim Jeffries that he save white honor by defeating Jack Johnson and take back the heavyweight boxing championship.

This mentality has been perpetuated by an overwhelmingly white sports media — I’ve sat in these press boxes for nearly 40 years — and accepted by a largely white fan base that craves white heroes and mythology at a time when both are disappearing from our landscape.

Quarterback has replaced the heavyweight belt as a marker of white manhood and whiteness in general. In an environment where white nationalism has become more open, Luck’s departure and the rise of black quarterbacks, for some, is another sign of eroding white privilege. There is already unbridled excitement around Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence, who checks several boxes: talented, tall, blond, white. It remains to be seen whether Lawrence can stand up under the weight of having to carry cultural hopes and aspirations.

This may have been part of Luck’s problem.

“I think the fans will switch their allegiance from Andrew Luck to the Baker Mayfields of the world,” Raye said, referring to the Cleveland Browns’ starting quarterback.

“Luck was the next generation of greatness after the Bradys, the Brees, Philip Rivers. He was the torch carrier. So I think what’ll happen now is the young guns — the Sam Darnolds, the Josh Rosens and the Baker Mayfields — whichever guy comes out of that and carries his team to a conference championship, I think whoever that is will be the next point of the stability that white people feel comfortable with. They’ll make one of those guys the new hero.”

Maybe.

With Luck retired, not only is the hope of white succession to the throne gone, but the heirs are mostly players of color: Wilson with Seattle, Newton with Carolina, Pat Mahomes with Kansas City, Lamar Jackson with Baltimore, Marcus Mariota with Tennessee. Luck’s replacement in Indianapolis is a young black man. Jacoby Brissett, 24, played last season in Luck’s absence. A season earlier, Brissett filled in for the injured Brady in New England.

The unexpected elevation of Brissett is poignant because he is taking over an Indianapolis team that was constructed for a deep playoff run in anticipation of Luck’s presence. Whether Brissett succeeds largely depends on how well he plays. The opportunity is there, and that is what previous generations of aspiring black quarterbacks, including Raye’s, never received: a fair opportunity, a 50-50 chance to succeed.

I became intrigued by the black quarterback phenomenon in 1968, my freshman season at Morgan State University. We were scheduled to play Grambling State University at Yankee Stadium, the black college football game of the century, in a game featuring quarterback James “Shack” Harris.

Before reporting to Morgan for summer practice, I worked out at Grand Crossing Park in Chicago with a few Chicago Bears players. The man throwing passes during those workouts was Thrower, although I didn’t know at the time who he was or his significance.

Thrower was one of the first African Americans to play quarterback in the NFL’s modern era — he played for the Chicago Bears in 1953. Not until years later did I learn about Thrower’s backstory, his career at Michigan State, his frustrations as he breached the granite wall of opposition to blacks playing quarterback.

Thrower was a high school star in his native New Kensington, Pennsylvania. He was recruited to play football at Michigan State and was part of the Spartans’ 1952 national championship team. Undrafted, Thrower played for the Bears during the 1953 season. He saw limited action, throwing just eight passes, completing three with one interception. In one memorable game against the San Francisco 49ers, Thrower replaced veteran George Blanda, who was ineffective, and led the team on a drive from the Chicago 40-yard line to the 49ers’ 15-yard line. He was replaced by Blanda, who took the team in for a touchdown. That would effectively be the end of Thrower’s NFL career. He was released before the start of the next season, then played four seasons in the Canadian Football League before a shoulder injury ended his career at age 27.

In black college football circles, the big news of 1968 was that the Oakland Raiders had drafted Tennessee State’s Dickey, aka “The Lord’s Prayer,” in the first round. Dickey became the first black quarterback to receive such a distinction. The Raiders selected Dickey over Alabama’s Ken Stabler. By all reports, Dickey had an outstanding training camp, but he was switched to wide receiver before the season began. He never played quarterback as a professional.

Dickey’s misfortune left Shack Harris as our Great Black Hope. Harris was heralded as the player who would break the mold of what an NFL quarterback was supposed to look like. Aided by Tank Younger, a Grambling alum who was the first player from a historically black college to play in the NFL, Eddie Robinson, the legendary Grambling head coach, set out to make Harris the Jackie Robinson of quarterbacks.

If an African American was going to break through and fit that NFL mold, he’d have to be custom fit. Harris was the prototypical 6-foot-4, 215- to 220-pound guy with a big arm.

“He fit the mold of what the NFL was looking for,” said Raye, who had known Harris since high school. Harris was quite a basketball player and an exceptional athlete, but he was told by Robinson to hide his athleticism lest he suffer the fate of so many other exceptional athletes before him and get switched to another position.

“Eddie Robinson had been going to camps, I think, and he knew what they were looking for because of Tank Younger at the Rams as a scout. He knew the prototypical-type guy they were looking for: tall, rangy guy with a pocket presence and a big arm.”

Harris was drafted by the Buffalo Bills in the eighth round in 1969 and became the first African American quarterback to start a regular-season game in NFL history.

Raye had planned to attend Tennessee State University, a powerhouse in black college football in the early and mid-1960s. He wound up going to Michigan State. “I didn’t go to Tennessee State because they had Eldridge Dickey,” he said.

Raye enjoyed a fantastic college career. He was called then what he would be called today: an athletic quarterback who relies as much on running and maneuvering as on passing to make plays. The designation had negative connotations then. Today, it’s a badge of honor.

“Back then, mobility and the ability to extend plays wasn’t a big criteria for the pocket passer guys,” said Raye.

Raye never got to play quarterback in the NFL. Black quarterbacks such as Raye and Marlin “the Magician” Briscoe didn’t fit the NFL mold. Briscoe, 5-11, 180 pounds, was a star quarterback at the University of Nebraska-Omaha but was drafted by Denver in 1968 as a wide receiver. When an injury sidelined the Broncos’ starting quarterback, Briscoe stepped in and established a rookie record for touchdowns. Briscoe never played quarterback again.

“Canada was what we were told was more in line with what our game or our abilities dictated,” Raye recalled. Raye was chosen in the 16th round of the 1968 draft by the Los Angeles Rams, who made their intentions clear.

”When I was drafted by the Los Angeles Rams, they told me on the phone, before I ever met them in person, that I’d make a great free safety, even though I’d never played defense a snap in my life. Even though I had won a national championship, I was an athletic quarterback. I’d either accept the fact that my position was going to be switched or I could go to Canada. Those were the choices that I had.

“I was somewhat relieved that I was drafted but then disappointed that I wasn’t going to be able to play the position that I played.’’

Raye is astounded by the transition in the NFL that has turned players with his build and skill set into valued offensive players. “It’s really amazing. Before, if you were black, you weren’t even considered to play the position. Now, the way the game has transcended, not only are they drafting quarterbacks with the first pick but they are drafting short quarterbacks with the first pick that don’t fit the mold.”

As the NFL celebrates a new season, the game’s most glamorous position, a unique position in sports, is once again being transformed by athletes who have taken mobility beyond being a luxury and made it a necessity.

“The whole spectrum has transformed. What was disdained before is now readily accepted because everybody is trying to be one-up on the competition,” Raye said. “Everybody’s trying to find another Russell Wilson. Another Michael Vick.”

Raye came of age during the heart of the civil rights movement. “I came out during the heights of the civil rights movement, where segregation was at the forefront of American society. So it was a norm for a black man to be considered a non-leader, a non-face of a university, or the franchise.” Being unable to play quarterback was a disappointment but not a surprise.

If Raye were coming out of college today with his same level of success, he’d likely be a top draft selection. “No question. If I played in the biggest game in the history of college football, won a national championship, went undefeated, won the Rose Bowl and Big Ten championship, I would’ve been picked possibly like Lamar Jackson and all of these other guys who are considered to be more athlete than prototype pocket quarterbacks. It would’ve been an asset rather than a disadvantage.”

Raye has been a coach for 15 NFL teams and two major college programs. He has coached several talented young quarterbacks, many of whom have no idea about the racial history of their position. “What they grew up seeing was Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Randall Cunningham,’’ Raye said. “They think that’s the way it always has been. They don’t know that there was a whole lot of blood spilled before this opportunity that has been made available to them.”

He added: “I don’t begrudge them the opportunity they have. I try to instill in them that there’s a tradition that was established before them where blacks weren’t given the opportunity to play quarterback. I try to prepare them going in for everything that they will have to handle. I try to make them aware of the history and the tradition of the game and make sure that they don’t shortcut their opportunity by not being prepared for the nuances of how the game is played at the NFL level.”

Perhaps because he has seen too much, experienced too much and can still see the scars, Raye does not totally buy the idea that the NFL is in the midst of a black revolution at quarterback. He points out that black quarterbacks are still hard-pressed to get coveted backup jobs.

Raye is right: This is not a revolution but an evolution, the type of steady, relentless battle that has defined black life in America for 400 years. The NFL is simply a microcosm of an endless struggle.

For decades, NFL teams denied opportunity to, marginalized, underestimated and devalued black talent. With the imminent retirement of the old-guard quarterbacks, and the sudden retirement last week of a new one, there is a vacuum to be filled. It will be filled by players who look different, who run differently and act differently from anything that has come before.

Those who want to cling to the old status quo will discover that, alas, their luck has run out.

[FrostKing]

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Lol @ reading ESPN's TheUnfeated. Athletic version of Stormfront. So blinded with racism they don't realize the biggest college recruit in History (Lawrence) is White and a drop back passer

Anyway. American Football is dying. It is debatable if the sport will even be around in a few decades or most certaintly anything reminiscent of the sport we grew up watching. Participation in football at the youth level is plummeting. The two demographics booming in America - Asian and Hispanic are especially disinterested in playing. Universities will need to take a hard look at such a health risk being part of their institution

Middle class America outside Texas or Ohio - disinterested. It is now overwhelming an inner city black sport. A decreasing demographic in America. So sure black quarterbacks are the future. By default.

RIP american football