craziest world cup runs

[dfens]

check this run by france in WC'06:

they had a slow start in the group stage but then they went through this ridiculous road:
spain (xavi,raul,iniesta,alonso,puyol,ramos, fabregas,torres,villa,cassilas, joaquin, etc)
brazil (cafu, lucio, adriano, kaka, ronaldinho, robinho, carlos, juninho, ze roberto)
portugal (figo, penaldo, deco, gomes, ferreira, carvalho)
italy ( cannavaro, buffon, del pierro, totti, toni, nesta, zambrotta, inzaghi, pirlo, de rossi, materazzi)
in the same bracket were also strong netherlands and england sides, just for kicks. :lol

shame france couldn't win it. it was the best run I've seen live.

also as a sidenote, it was one of the best tournaments, with MANY excellent teams and games : germany,italy,france,argentina,portugal, england, netherlands, brazil, spain .. 9 teams could've won it tbh .. even smaller teams played great football and had good/great talent (mexico, ukraine, ivory coast). In comparison, the last 2 world cups were subpar from a quality pov tbh, probably that's why we won in '14.

[Jodelo]

Just Zidane doing his normal GOAT things. :toast

[dfens]

Just Zidane doing his normal GOAT things. :toast

son zidane is the real GOAT tbh and every knowledgeable fan knows it.

I've seen maradona live, I've seen missy, I've seen peak ronaldinho/ronaldo(s), I've seen pele games on tape .... but zidane was just something else, a graceful artist both individually and teamwise, a combination of GOAT individual play&skills, GOAT cerebral team play, elite leadership and a thug-level mean streak.

[Jodelo]

son zidane is the real GOAT tbh and every knowledgeable fan knows it.

I've seen maradona live, I've seen missy, I've seen peak ronaldinho/ronaldo(s), I've seen pele games on tape .... but zidane was just something else, a graceful artist both individually and teamwise, a combination of GOAT individual play&skills, GOAT cerebral team play, elite leadership and a thug-level mean streak.

Yup. :bobo

[dunkman]

Argentina had it difficult in 78, France and Italy in first group stage, then battling Brazil in the second group stage and Holland in the final. Argentina was good but any of the semi finalists deserved to win. Brazil didn't lost any game, Italy hit the woodwork 3 times vs Brazil for the third place and won the game vs Argentina, Holland hit the woodwork shortly before the end of the regulation time in the final vs Argentina.

Thankfully second group stages were replaced by knockouts since '86.

[dunkman]

check this run by france in WC'06:

they had a slow start in the group stage but then they went through this ridiculous road:
spain (xavi,raul,iniesta,alonso,puyol,ramos, fabregas,torres,villa,cassilas, joaquin, etc)
brazil (cafu, lucio, adriano, kaka, ronaldinho, robinho, carlos, juninho, ze roberto)
portugal (figo, penaldo, deco, gomes, ferreira, carvalho)
italy ( cannavaro, buffon, del pierro, totti, toni, nesta, zambrotta, inzaghi, pirlo, de rossi, materazzi)
in the same bracket were also strong netherlands and england sides, just for kicks. :lol

shame france couldn't win it. it was the best run I've seen live.

also as a sidenote, it was one of the best tournaments, with MANY excellent teams and games : germany,italy,france,argentina,portugal, england, netherlands, brazil, spain .. 9 teams could've won it tbh .. even smaller teams played great football and had good/great talent (mexico, ukraine, ivory coast). In comparison, the last 2 world cups were subpar from a quality pov tbh, probably that's why we won in '14.

What Zidane did at the '06 WC was outlandish, no player has dominated like that since Maradona's prime. After the match vs Brazil Pelé said Zidane was top 3 all time. Which was very obvious, even when stats or awards may suggest otherwise.

[dunkman]

About '06, Italy finally managed to break their unlucky streak, that run since around Italy '90. Always close, but eliminated in penalty shootouts and unlucky circumstances.

[DAF86]

Zidane's run in '06 is so overrated. :lol

He literally had just 2 good games (Spain and Brazil). After the group stage of that tournament I remember folks talking about how he shouldn't even wait for the tournament to be over for him to retire. :lol

And no, no trully knowladgeable fan can ever think Zidane is even close to be the GOAT. He isn't even the best player of his generation.

[lefty]

Zidane isn't the GOAT but he still shits on Misty obviously

[ElNono]

Zidane's run in '06 is so overrated. :lol

He literally had just 2 good games (Spain and Brazil). After the group stage of that tournament I remember folks talking about how he shouldn't even wait for the tournament to be over for him to retire. :lol

And no, no trully knowladgeable fan can ever think Zidane is even close to be the GOAT. He isn't even the best player of his generation.

this. IIRC, Lilian Thuram was a beast that world cup.

[dfens]

Zidane's run in '06 is so overrated. :lol

He literally had just 2 good games (Spain and Brazil). After the group stage of that tournament I remember folks talking about how he shouldn't even wait for the tournament to be over for him to retire. :lol

And no, no trully knowladgeable fan can ever think Zidane is even close to be the GOAT. He isn't even the best player of his generation.

you take one team that couldn't even qualify, you add ONE player to it and voila .. you got a juggernaut capable of going the distance with 4 consecutive STACKED contenders. that france team couldn't even function without zidane making it happen in midfield. but that run was overrated? :lol misty's impressive run of beating venezuela, usa and the falklands only to lose to chile on penaldos ... that's a real goat run tbh. cmon son :sleephow can you say zidane's 06 run was overrated? zidane dominated the entire tournament on his absolute last legs, absolutely unheard of tbh.


this. IIRC, Lilian Thuram was a beast that world cup.
liliam thuram, the real mvp tbh. :lol the key cog. without thuram they couldn't even qualify tbh :lol the suffering from that cucking honduras inflicted on you is taking its toll tbh :lol

[ElNono]

liliam thuram, the real mvp tbh. :lol the key cog. without thuram they couldn't even qualify tbh :lol the suffering from that cucking honduras inflicted on you is taking its toll tbh :lol

What does Honduras has to do with France in 2006, son? When you start changing topics is really when you really lose your arguments. :lol

I called that ARG team trash even before the tournament started, I was correct on all counts :lol

Now tell me more about GOAT Zidane quitting on his team in the Final... now you can say whatever shit about Missi, except that he got himself ejected in the most important game... :lol

[ElNono]

FWIW, I'll admit I was wrong, and the WC I was thinking about was 1998, the one they actually won.

[140]

Zidane isn't the GOAT but he still shits on Misty obviously
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzxiyu8Btb1qj3i85.gif

[dfens]

What does Honduras has to do with France in 2006, son? When you start changing topics is really when you really lose your arguments. :lol
son I was just comparing the strength of schedule :lol I've lost no argument on this forum because I'm not propping up insane topics like missy being the GOAT or south korea winning something or chile being a 1st tier team. I'm just keeping it real and doing some trolling aside tbh. :lol



I called that ARG team trash even before the tournament started, I was correct on all counts :lol

son I know they are trash, but losing to honduras is just :lmao



Now tell me more about GOAT Zidane quitting on his team in the Final... now you can say whatever shit about Missi, except that he got himself ejected in the most important game... :lol

the reality is a non qualifying france team added zidane and they became world beaters, going through the skeleton of future EC-WC-EC spain, a stacked brazil, maybe the best portugal side ever and barely lost to a super stacked italy.
While I agree that headbutting materazzi wasn't the smartest thing to do, he still had a great game till that '110 minute ejection, which is more great minutes and production for his NT in finals than all of missy finals minutes combined. So really you got no point here tbh.

[Canyonero]

Another deflection thread by OP.

[dfens]

Another deflection thread by OP.

please explain son.

[Brazil]

FWIW before the materazzi incident Zidane had a great game... he had a superb head defended by Buffon few minutes before that could have won the game... France 2006 without Zidane was first round exit, on a side note, coach was the worst of France history

[lefty]

FWIW before the materazzi incident Zidane had a great game... he had a superb head defended by Buffon few minutes before that could have won the game... France 2006 without Zidane was first round exit, on a side note, coach was the worst of France history
Ribery was also pretty good in 06, but yeah Zidane's impact was huge

[Brazil]

Zidane's run in '06 is so overrated. :lol

He literally had just 2 good games (Spain and Brazil). After the group stage of that tournament I remember folks talking about how he shouldn't even wait for the tournament to be over for him to retire. :lol

And no, no trully knowladgeable fan can ever think Zidane is even close to be the GOAT. He isn't even the best player of his generation.

:lol like Maradona run I guess

I'm curious to know what run do you consider not overrated tbh... except for Messi runs of course (we already know what you think about Messi tbh)

[lefty]

:lol like Maradona run I guess

I'm curious to know what run do you consider not overrated tbh... except for Messi runs of course (we already know what you think about Messi tbh)
"Messi runs ..... shoots .... misses! Argentina loses another final !"

[Jodelo]

"Messi runs ..... shoots .... misses! Argentina loses another final !"

If only he could play against Nigeria, Iran or Bosnia in a final...

[Canyonero]

"Messi runs ..... shoots .... misses! Argentina loses another final !"

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/soccer/Algeria.png

:lmao

[Canyonero]

If only he could play against Nigeria, Iran or Bosnia in a final...

Or Real Madrid tbh

[lefty]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/soccer/Algeria.png

:lmao
Fuck you you got lucky :lol

[lefty]

If only he could play against Nigeria, Iran or Bosnia in a final...
http://static.tumblr.com/lbemnld/JjIm5ii3l/that_was_mean.gif

[Relevancy]

Messi is on a awhole different level, I didn't watch Zidane play but I know for sure he wasn't scoring at the rate Messi is or even Cristiano.. What seperates Messi from the rest is his insane vision and of course his classic dribbles imo.

messi isn't just one dimensional

[dfens]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/soccer/Algeria.png
:lmao
son we might laught today but algeria produced quite a lot of (french) talent in the last years .. if they ever get to tap into that talent pool they might become a decent team.


Messi is on a awhole different level, I didn't watch Zidane play but I know for sure he wasn't scoring at the rate Messi is or even Cristiano.. What seperates Messi from the rest is his insane vision and of course his classic dribbles imo.
messi isn't just one dimensional
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao son I hope you are trolling.

[dfens]

"Messi runs ..... shoots .... misses! Argentina loses another final !"

tbh it's more like messi is nowhere to be found! Argentina loses another final ! but I get the point tbh.

[DAF86]

you take one team that couldn't even qualify, you add ONE player to it and voila .. you got a juggernaut capable of going the distance with 4 consecutive STACKED contenders. that france team couldn't even function without zidane making it happen in midfield. but that run was overrated? :lol misty's impressive run of beating venezuela, usa and the falklands only to lose to chile on penaldos ... that's a real goat run tbh. cmon son :sleephow can you say zidane's 06 run was overrated? zidane dominated the entire tournament on his absolute last legs, absolutely unheard of tbh.


liliam thuram, the real mvp tbh. :lol the key cog. without thuram they couldn't even qualify tbh :lol the suffering from that cucking honduras inflicted on you is taking its toll tbh :lol

'cause some people would say retarded shit like: "zidane dominated the entire tournament on his absolute last legs, absolutely unheard of tbh." When he actually played well just 2 games out of 7 :lol, and got stupidly red carded in the final, which might have cost France the title.

[DAF86]

:lol like Maradona run I guess

I'm curious to know what run do you consider not overrated tbh... except for Messi runs of course (we already know what you think about Messi tbh)

Which one?

Maradona's '86 run is easily the GOAT performance ever by an individual in a WC. In '90 he didn't do shit beside that pass to Caniggia to beat Brazil.

[Relevancy]

son we might laught today but algeria produced quite a lot of (french) talent in the last years .. if they ever get to tap into that talent pool they might become a decent team.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao son I hope you are trolling.Cristiano shouldn't be in anyones top 10 son I agree, he doesn't have the talent like other greats do, I only brought him up because he scores a ton too.. Messi and him have set records scoring wise... I know you will downplay this era but no one is scoring as much as them each season.

zidane doesn't stand a chance against Messi.. I've seen plenty of Zidane videos and yeah he was fancy but so is Iniesta, is he even better than Iniesta tbh?

[DAF86]

Anyone who thinks Zidane is better than Messi as a football player should seriously consider offing himself, tbh. :lol

[DAF86]

FWIW before the materazzi incident Zidane had a great game... he had a superb head defended by Buffon few minutes before that could have won the game... France 2006 without Zidane was first round exit, on a side note, coach was the worst of France history

See, this is the kind of shit I talk about. This "France 2006 without Zidane was first round exit" claim. My nigga Brazil makes this bullshit comment about Zidane to try and exagerate his importance on that team without even caring about checking the facts:

On that 2006 WC, in the group stage, France tied with Switzerland and South Korea with Zidane on the pitch. On the last game of the group, the super duper important Zidane (without which France would have been a first round exit, according to our friend here) didn't play because of having seen two yellows in the first two matches, and without him France was finally able to win a match and make it out of the group stage.

So you see, this is why I have to regulate so much here. Because you guys love making bullshit claims left and right without using facts or logic to try and support your erroneous opinions. I just have to come here and speak the truth in sake of the well being of childern everywhere. :cry

[Brazil]

Which one?

Maradona's '86 run is easily the GOAT performance ever by an individual in a WC. In '90 he didn't do shit beside that pass to Caniggia to beat Brazil.

wut ? you were not the guy saying this 86 run was overrated and Maradona only beat shitty teams in the endless arguments about Messi / Maradona ?

[Brazil]

See, this is the kind of shit I talk about. This "France 2006 without Zidane was first round exit" claim. My nigga Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) makes this bullshit comment about Zidane to try and exagerate his importance on that team without even caring about checking the facts:

On that 2006 WC, in the group stage, France tied with Switzerland and South Korea with Zidane on the pitch. On the last game of the group, the super duper important Zidane (without which France would have been a first round exit, according to our friend here) didn't play because of having seen two yellows in the first two matches, and without him France was finally able to win a match and make it out of the group stage.

So you see, this is why I have to regulate so much here. Because you guys love making bullshit claims left and right without using facts or logic to try and support your erroneous opinions. I just have to come here and speak the truth in sake of the well being of childern everywhere. :cry

So you see this is why you are regulating shit... you go pass classification phase but yeah without Zidane we beat Spain in first elimination game ? :rolleyes

:cry but but you say first round :cry like it is changing anything to this conversation. In 2006 untill his fuck up against Materrazi, Zidane had an amazing run that's the point of OP... but go ahead with your so overrated

[DAF86]

wut ? you were not the guy saying this 86 run was overrated and Maradona only beat shitty teams in the endless arguments about Messi / Maradona ?

:lol not even close son. I have always said that Maradona's '86 WC performance is the GOAT individual performance in a WC, tbh.

[DAF86]

So you see this is why you are regulating shit... you go pass classification phase but yeah without Zidane we beat Spain in first elimination game ? :rolleyes

:cry but but you say first round :cry like it is changing anything to this conversation. In 2006 untill his fuck up against Materrazi, Zidane had an amazing run that's the point of OP... but go ahead with your so overrated

You made a bullshit claim that I easily disproved, son. Deal with it. :lol

[ElNono]

son I know they are trash, but losing to honduras is just :lmao

That team was so bad they would've finished 3rd in the EPL, tbh... just a disgraceful team, but, to be fair, lots of teams didn't want to give up their players...

[ElNono]

See, this is the kind of shit I talk about. This "France 2006 without Zidane was first round exit" claim. My nigga Brazil makes this bullshit comment about Zidane to try and exagerate his importance on that team without even caring about checking the facts:

On that 2006 WC, in the group stage, France tied with Switzerland and South Korea with Zidane on the pitch. On the last game of the group, the super duper important Zidane (without which France would have been a first round exit, according to our friend here) didn't play because of having seen two yellows in the first two matches, and without him France was finally able to win a match and make it out of the group stage.

So you see, this is why I have to regulate so much here. Because you guys love making bullshit claims left and right without using facts or logic to try and support your erroneous opinions. I just have to come here and speak the truth in sake of the well being of childern everywhere. :cry

:wow don't do Zizou dirty like that, brah... now let's hear from dfens how that Switzerland was their best side ever and South Korea was highly underrated/better than Chile... :lol

[dfens]

i see niggas here are getting pretty tight, resorting to goal scoring arguments, bringing the maradona '86 talk and all of that. that's good sons tbh.

first of all maradona '86 is definately a crazy run, much respect for diego, a real nigga tbh.

now the very purpose of playing football is winning and winning at the highest level. That means world cups not some UCLs where there are 3 contenders each year. The WC winners aren't the ones putting 7 past their opponents (well, sometimes :lol) but the ones able to get that 1-0 win against tough matchups. And WCs are rare, a player gets to play in 2-3 world cups, very rarely more, so there is no place for pussyfooting or dyeing ones hair. Real GOATs (zidane, maradona) done their job at world cups while misty lucked one finals where he didn't do shit. Real GOATs do 4 contender runs like in '06, they don't choke b2b finals minor league finals to chile :lmao

That's why I value zidane and maradona over missy, because at the highest level they will outplay/organize/lead/score for their team, control the midfield and playmake from deep, be a goal threat, do everything necessary to win. Missi is frozen out of huge games, that's reality. The time fur pussying around the bush is over niggas, missy needs to make his mark, winning UCLs in a 3-league competitions isn't enough. Scoring 60 goals against lower tier opponents is a beauty, zidane wouldn't be able to do that, but he didn't have to. The GOATs aren't the statpadders but the ones that produce at the highest level. How did missy's 60 goals a season translate into world cup finals goals? you talk about missy goalscoring prowess, where was it? explain me this niggas. Meanwhile the goalscoring inept zidane scored 3 goals in world cup finals and they hold more legacy than ALL of missy's goals put together. Who gives a fuck about 60 goals per season when you can't do it against real opposition?
I won't even talk about WC/EC goals scored/created vs contenders because it's even more in favor of zidane.

Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments vs maradona's impact and you'll see zidane does better (maradona is still a monster!)
Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments to misty's impact and tell me with a straight face who is the goat. Who faced the tougher teams? Who won? Who scored the critical goals? Who created the critical occasions? Who dragged their team in tough matches? Who rose up for the challenge? Who got the ovations? Who provided leadership?
For extra :lmao compare zidane and missi in finals output.



TLDR:
messi -> statpads against trash teams and has only one knockout win vs a 1st tier ('14 netherlands). he hasn't scored nor created a goal in any final. he QUITPERIOD after chile beat him b2b. Outside of the pitch he enjoys looking like bieber and cheating on his taxes. known as missi/misty, because in huge games he misses and cries a lot :cry:cry:cry
zidane -> winner of WC, EC, 3 decisive goals in finals, has COUNTLESS wins over 1st tiers. Even came out of retirement to lead an otherwise unqualifying france to world cup glory going through a legendary bracket. Outside of the pitch he is a highly respected human being and already a titled coach. known as GOAT.


lmao y'all niggas gonna come up with some new angle about missi goals vs honduras or how he dominated nigeria or some shit like that tbh :lmao

[dfens]

:wow don't do Zizou dirty like that, brah... now let's hear from dfens how that Switzerland was their best side ever and South Korea was highly underrated/better than Chile... :lol

son I don't care about switzerland, south korea, honduras or nigeria.
What I care about are 1st tier stacked teams and spain, brazil, portugal and italy are MILES ahead of anything missi faced (let alone beat) in his career.
Diego is a boss tho, so if you have him as the GOAT is see nothing wrong with that.

[140]

i see niggas here are getting pretty tight, resorting to goal scoring arguments, bringing the maradona '86 talk and all of that. that's good sons tbh.

first of all maradona '86 is definately a crazy run, much respect for diego, a real nigga tbh.

now the very purpose of playing football is winning and winning at the highest level. That means world cups not some UCLs where there are 3 contenders each year. The WC winners aren't the ones putting 7 past their opponents (well, sometimes :lol) but the ones able to get that 1-0 win against tough matchups. And WCs are rare, a player gets to play in 2-3 world cups, very rarely more, so there is no place for pussyfooting or dyeing ones hair. Real GOATs (zidane, maradona) done their job at world cups while misty lucked one finals where he didn't do shit. Real GOATs do 4 contender runs like in '06, they don't choke b2b finals minor league finals to chile :lmao

That's why I value zidane and maradona over missy, because at the highest level they will outplay/organize/lead/score for their team, control the midfield and playmake from deep, be a goal threat, do everything necessary to win. Missi is frozen out of huge games, that's reality. The time fur pussying around the bush is over niggas, missy needs to make his mark, winning UCLs in a 3-league competitions isn't enough. Scoring 60 goals against lower tier opponents is a beauty, zidane wouldn't be able to do that, but he didn't have to. The GOATs aren't the statpadders but the ones that produce at the highest level. How did missy's 60 goals a season translate into world cup finals goals? you talk about missy goalscoring prowess, where was it? explain me this niggas. Meanwhile the goalscoring inept zidane scored 3 goals in world cup finals and they hold more legacy than ALL of missy's goals put together. Who gives a fuck about 60 goals per season when you can't do it against real opposition?
I won't even talk about WC/EC goals scored/created vs contenders because it's even more in favor of zidane.

Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments vs maradona's impact and you'll see zidane does better (maradona is still a monster!)
Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments to misty's impact and tell me with a straight face who is the goat. Who faced the tougher teams? Who won? Who scored the critical goals? Who created the critical occasions? Who dragged their team in tough matches? Who rose up for the challenge? Who got the ovations? Who provided leadership?
For extra :lmao compare zidane and missi in finals output.



TLDR:
messi -> statpads against trash teams and has only one knockout win vs a 1st tier ('14 netherlands). he hasn't scored nor created a goal in any final. he QUITPERIOD after chile beat him b2b. Outside of the pitch he enjoys looking like bieber and cheating on his taxes. known as missi/misty, because in huge games he misses and cries a lot :cry:cry:cry
zidane -> winner of WC, EC, 3 decisive goals in finals, has COUNTLESS wins over 1st tiers. Even came out of retirement to lead an otherwise unqualifying france to world cup glory going through a legendary bracket. Outside of the pitch he is a highly respected human being and already a titled coach. known as GOAT.


lmao y'all niggas gonna come up with some new angle about missi goals vs honduras or how he dominated nigeria or some shit like that tbh :lmao
Son while I don't agree with some of the eurocentric shit you post I gotta say this was savage tbh...:wow dem truth nukes

[Brazil]

You made a bullshit claim that I easily disproved, son. Deal with it. :lol

:rolleyes

[ElNono]

I never made excuses for Missi, tbh... and I've always ranked Zizou in the top 20 all time, with other greats like sidenaldo... only in here being in the top 20 all time is a slight, for some reason...

[Jodelo]

i see niggas here are getting pretty tight, resorting to goal scoring arguments, bringing the maradona '86 talk and all of that. that's good sons tbh.

first of all maradona '86 is definately a crazy run, much respect for diego, a real nigga tbh.

now the very purpose of playing football is winning and winning at the highest level. That means world cups not some UCLs where there are 3 contenders each year. The WC winners aren't the ones putting 7 past their opponents (well, sometimes :lol) but the ones able to get that 1-0 win against tough matchups. And WCs are rare, a player gets to play in 2-3 world cups, very rarely more, so there is no place for pussyfooting or dyeing ones hair. Real GOATs (zidane, maradona) done their job at world cups while misty lucked one finals where he didn't do shit. Real GOATs do 4 contender runs like in '06, they don't choke b2b finals minor league finals to chile :lmao

That's why I value zidane and maradona over missy, because at the highest level they will outplay/organize/lead/score for their team, control the midfield and playmake from deep, be a goal threat, do everything necessary to win. Missi is frozen out of huge games, that's reality. The time fur pussying around the bush is over niggas, missy needs to make his mark, winning UCLs in a 3-league competitions isn't enough. Scoring 60 goals against lower tier opponents is a beauty, zidane wouldn't be able to do that, but he didn't have to. The GOATs aren't the statpadders but the ones that produce at the highest level. How did missy's 60 goals a season translate into world cup finals goals? you talk about missy goalscoring prowess, where was it? explain me this niggas. Meanwhile the goalscoring inept zidane scored 3 goals in world cup finals and they hold more legacy than ALL of missy's goals put together. Who gives a fuck about 60 goals per season when you can't do it against real opposition?
I won't even talk about WC/EC goals scored/created vs contenders because it's even more in favor of zidane.

Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments vs maradona's impact and you'll see zidane does better (maradona is still a monster!)
Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments to misty's impact and tell me with a straight face who is the goat. Who faced the tougher teams? Who won? Who scored the critical goals? Who created the critical occasions? Who dragged their team in tough matches? Who rose up for the challenge? Who got the ovations? Who provided leadership?
For extra :lmao compare zidane and missi in finals output.



TLDR:
messi -> statpads against trash teams and has only one knockout win vs a 1st tier ('14 netherlands). he hasn't scored nor created a goal in any final. he QUITPERIOD after chile beat him b2b. Outside of the pitch he enjoys looking like bieber and cheating on his taxes. known as missi/misty, because in huge games he misses and cries a lot :cry:cry:cry
zidane -> winner of WC, EC, 3 decisive goals in finals, has COUNTLESS wins over 1st tiers. Even came out of retirement to lead an otherwise unqualifying france to world cup glory going through a legendary bracket. Outside of the pitch he is a highly respected human being and already a titled coach. known as GOAT.


lmao y'all niggas gonna come up with some new angle about missi goals vs honduras or how he dominated nigeria or some shit like that tbh :lmao

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[lefty]

i see niggas here are getting pretty tight, resorting to goal scoring arguments, bringing the maradona '86 talk and all of that. that's good sons tbh.

first of all maradona '86 is definately a crazy run, much respect for diego, a real nigga tbh.

now the very purpose of playing football is winning and winning at the highest level. That means world cups not some UCLs where there are 3 contenders each year. The WC winners aren't the ones putting 7 past their opponents (well, sometimes :lol) but the ones able to get that 1-0 win against tough matchups. And WCs are rare, a player gets to play in 2-3 world cups, very rarely more, so there is no place for pussyfooting or dyeing ones hair. Real GOATs (zidane, maradona) done their job at world cups while misty lucked one finals where he didn't do shit. Real GOATs do 4 contender runs like in '06, they don't choke b2b finals minor league finals to chile :lmao

That's why I value zidane and maradona over missy, because at the highest level they will outplay/organize/lead/score for their team, control the midfield and playmake from deep, be a goal threat, do everything necessary to win. Missi is frozen out of huge games, that's reality. The time fur pussying around the bush is over niggas, missy needs to make his mark, winning UCLs in a 3-league competitions isn't enough. Scoring 60 goals against lower tier opponents is a beauty, zidane wouldn't be able to do that, but he didn't have to. The GOATs aren't the statpadders but the ones that produce at the highest level. How did missy's 60 goals a season translate into world cup finals goals? you talk about missy goalscoring prowess, where was it? explain me this niggas. Meanwhile the goalscoring inept zidane scored 3 goals in world cup finals and they hold more legacy than ALL of missy's goals put together. Who gives a fuck about 60 goals per season when you can't do it against real opposition?
I won't even talk about WC/EC goals scored/created vs contenders because it's even more in favor of zidane.

Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments vs maradona's impact and you'll see zidane does better (maradona is still a monster!)
Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments to misty's impact and tell me with a straight face who is the goat. Who faced the tougher teams? Who won? Who scored the critical goals? Who created the critical occasions? Who dragged their team in tough matches? Who rose up for the challenge? Who got the ovations? Who provided leadership?
For extra :lmao compare zidane and missi in finals output.



TLDR:
messi -> statpads against trash teams and has only one knockout win vs a 1st tier ('14 netherlands). he hasn't scored nor created a goal in any final. he QUITPERIOD after chile beat him b2b. Outside of the pitch he enjoys looking like bieber and cheating on his taxes. known as missi/misty, because in huge games he misses and cries a lot :cry:cry:cry
zidane -> winner of WC, EC, 3 decisive goals in finals, has COUNTLESS wins over 1st tiers. Even came out of retirement to lead an otherwise unqualifying france to world cup glory going through a legendary bracket. Outside of the pitch he is a highly respected human being and already a titled coach. known as GOAT.


lmao y'all niggas gonna come up with some new angle about missi goals vs honduras or how he dominated nigeria or some shit like that tbh :lmao
:lol dfens going in without lube


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[Canyonero]

:lol riding dfens dick but then crying when he calls you :monkey

[DAF86]

i see niggas here are getting pretty tight, resorting to goal scoring arguments, bringing the maradona '86 talk and all of that. that's good sons tbh.

first of all maradona '86 is definately a crazy run, much respect for diego, a real nigga tbh.

now the very purpose of playing football is winning and winning at the highest level. That means world cups not some UCLs where there are 3 contenders each year. The WC winners aren't the ones putting 7 past their opponents (well, sometimes :lol) but the ones able to get that 1-0 win against tough matchups. And WCs are rare, a player gets to play in 2-3 world cups, very rarely more, so there is no place for pussyfooting or dyeing ones hair. Real GOATs (zidane, maradona) done their job at world cups while misty lucked one finals where he didn't do shit. Real GOATs do 4 contender runs like in '06, they don't choke b2b finals minor league finals to chile :lmao

That's why I value zidane and maradona over missy, because at the highest level they will outplay/organize/lead/score for their team, control the midfield and playmake from deep, be a goal threat, do everything necessary to win. Missi is frozen out of huge games, that's reality. The time fur pussying around the bush is over niggas, missy needs to make his mark, winning UCLs in a 3-league competitions isn't enough. Scoring 60 goals against lower tier opponents is a beauty, zidane wouldn't be able to do that, but he didn't have to. The GOATs aren't the statpadders but the ones that produce at the highest level. How did missy's 60 goals a season translate into world cup finals goals? you talk about missy goalscoring prowess, where was it? explain me this niggas. Meanwhile the goalscoring inept zidane scored 3 goals in world cup finals and they hold more legacy than ALL of missy's goals put together. Who gives a fuck about 60 goals per season when you can't do it against real opposition?
I won't even talk about WC/EC goals scored/created vs contenders because it's even more in favor of zidane.

Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments vs maradona's impact and you'll see zidane does better (maradona is still a monster!)
Compare zidane's impact in final tournaments to misty's impact and tell me with a straight face who is the goat. Who faced the tougher teams? Who won? Who scored the critical goals? Who created the critical occasions? Who dragged their team in tough matches? Who rose up for the challenge? Who got the ovations? Who provided leadership?
For extra :lmao compare zidane and missi in finals output.



TLDR:
messi -> statpads against trash teams and has only one knockout win vs a 1st tier ('14 netherlands). he hasn't scored nor created a goal in any final. he QUITPERIOD after chile beat him b2b. Outside of the pitch he enjoys looking like bieber and cheating on his taxes. known as missi/misty, because in huge games he misses and cries a lot :cry:cry:cry
zidane -> winner of WC, EC, 3 decisive goals in finals, has COUNTLESS wins over 1st tiers. Even came out of retirement to lead an otherwise unqualifying france to world cup glory going through a legendary bracket. Outside of the pitch he is a highly respected human being and already a titled coach. known as GOAT.


lmao y'all niggas gonna come up with some new angle about missi goals vs honduras or how he dominated nigeria or some shit like that tbh :lmao

In which part of this delusional post do you adress the "Zidane's 06 run isn't overrated" thingy we were talking about? :lol

Much less the retarded argument that Zidane could ever be consider the GOAT by anyone? :lmao

[dfens]

:lol riding dfens dick but then crying when he calls you :monkey

cmon son that is uncalled for, lefty isn't koolaids or trill.


In which part of this delusional post do you adress the "Zidane's 06 run isn't overrated" thingy we were talking about? :lol
Much less the retarded argument that Zidane could ever be consider the GOAT by anyone? :lmao

the part where france wouldn't have qualified without him and he came out of retirement for his country to beat a future EC-WC-EC spain team, a stacked brazil, the GOAT portugal side and barely lost to one of the GOAT italy teams. But if this is overrated for you please post other runs from GOAT players, like missy, to illuminate me what you consider to be a goat run :lmao I'm really curious what missi run you'll post tbh, as he has so many GOAT runs :lmao

[DAF86]

cmon son that is uncalled for, lefty isn't koolaids or trill.



the part where france wouldn't have qualified without him and he came out of retirement for his country to beat a future EC-WC-EC spain team, a stacked brazil, the GOAT portugal side and barely lost to one of the GOAT italy teams. But if this is overrated for you please post other runs from GOAT players, like missy, to illuminate me what you consider to be a goat run :lmao I'm really curious what missi run you'll post tbh, as he has so many GOAT runs :lmao

Qualified to where? Is this like that Brazil post that said that France was a "first round exit without Zidane"? :lol

[DAF86]

Also lol at the "Portugal GOAT team", but scoffing at "Chile's GOAT team". :lol

:cry But...but... Portugal is from my continent, so they are better :cry

[Brazil]

Qualified to where? Is this like that Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) post that said that France was a "first round exit without Zidane"? :lol

:rolleyes

[apalisoc_9]

Zidane's run in '06 is so overrated. :lol

He literally had just 2 good games (Spain and Brazil). After the group stage of that tournament I remember folks talking about how he shouldn't even wait for the tournament to be over for him to retire. :lol

And no, no trully knowladgeable fan can ever think Zidane is even close to be the GOAT. He isn't even the best player of his generation.

Ronaldo=Zidane

Op just likes to prop zidane so black players get less credit tbh

[dfens]

Qualified to where? Is this like that Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) post that said that France was a "first round exit without Zidane"? :lol
to the world cup, lol first round exit is optimistic.
you still haven't posted that missi run, to show my how a real GOAT does it.


Also lol at the "Portugal GOAT team", but scoffing at "Chile's GOAT team". :lol
:cry But...but... Portugal is from my continent, so they are better :cry
a portugal team that went through great english and dutch sides (when did chile ever do something similar?) and which finished 4th at that world cup (when is the last time chile ever went to a SF?) containing the likes of figo/peak deco/penaldo compared to the likes of vidal on chile ... even an enraged troll should see the difference.


Ronaldo=Zidane
Op just likes to prop zidane so black players get less credit tbh
:monkey:monkey:monkey blacks never have credit son, quit dreaming.

[DAF86]

to the world cup, lol first round exit is optimistic.
you still haven't posted that missi run, to show my how a real GOAT does it.


a portugal team that went through great english and dutch sides (when did chile ever do something similar?) and which finished 4th at that world cup (when is the last time chile ever went to a SF?) containing the likes of figo/peak deco/penaldo compared to the likes of vidal on chile ... even an enraged troll should see the difference.


:monkey:monkey:monkey blacks never have credit son, quit dreaming.

2014 Messi run was easily >> Zidane's. At least Messi played well in more than 2 games, tbh.

Chile won silverware in b2b championships against Argentina. When has that Portugal team ever done that?

Bravo, Medel, Vidal, Sanchez is pretty even (arguably better) than past prime Figo, Deco, and Ronaldo (instead of Sidenaldo :lol).

[Brazil]

2014 Messi run was easily >> Zidane's. At least Messi played well in more than 2 games, tbh.



what ? :lmao

Messi played well against Nigeria Bosnia and Iran and against Belgium... His game against netherlands was totally forgettable IIRC and let's not talk about Germany... that's a pretty bold statement you make :lol

[dfens]

2014 Messi run was easily >> Zidane's. At least Messi played well in more than 2 games, tbh.
Chile won silverware in b2b championships against Argentina. When has that Portugal team ever done that?
Bravo, Medel, Vidal, Sanchez is pretty even (arguably better) than past prime Figo, Deco, and Ronaldo (instead of Sidenaldo :lol).

bro this is pathetic, just accept you got bent over and take it like a man tbh.
god bless you son but you ain't worth my trolling time with such takes tbh, at least el nono got some funny game. :toast

[140]

2014 Messi run was easily >> Zidane's.
:lmao

[DAF86]

what ? :lmao

Messi played well against Nigeria Bosnia and Iran and against Belgium... His game against netherlands was totally forgettable IIRC and let's not talk about Germany... that's a pretty bold statement you make :lol

You are forgetting Switzerland, tbh. And yeah, 5 >>> 2, tbh. That's my point. Thanks for reinforcing it, tbh. :tu

[DAF86]

bro this is pathetic, just accept you got bent over and take it like a man tbh.
god bless you son but you ain't worth my trolling time with such takes tbh, at least el nono got some funny game. :toast

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[ElNono]

a portugal team that went through great english and dutch sides (when did chile ever do something similar?) and which finished 4th at that world cup (when is the last time chile ever went to a SF?) containing the likes of figo/peak deco/penaldo compared to the likes of vidal on chile ... even an enraged troll should see the difference.

That team in bold hasn't existed since 1966... I mean, Beckham and Owen? come on, son...

[Jodelo]

2014 Messi run was easily >> Zidane's. At least Messi played well in more than 2 games, tbh.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[dfens]

That team in bold hasn't existed since 1966... I mean, Beckham and Owen? come on, son...

so maradona's run was godlike and included a tough win over an england squad in 1986 but england hasn't had a great team since 1966 ... come on, son tbh.
fyi england in 2006: ashley cole, gerrard, ferdinand, lampard, rooney (capable), beckhamn, owen plus role players ... that's a very good team tbh, they also had the very best defense of the entire tournament.


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

son there is no shame on this board tbh, just approaching lakersnation-kobe objectivity level tbh. take it from a LA fan.

[Brazil]

You are forgetting Switzerland, tbh. And yeah, 5 >>> 2, tbh. That's my point. Thanks for reinforcing it, tbh. :tu

:lol you are comparing Spain, Brazil, Portugal and Italy (he had a great despite his fuck up and the loss) to Nigeria, Bosnia, Iran and Belgium ?

[ElNono]

so maradona's run was godlike and included a tough win over an england squad in 1986 but england hasn't had a great team since 1966 ... come on, son tbh.
fyi england in 2006: ashley cole, gerrard, ferdinand, lampard, rooney (capable), beckhamn, owen plus role players ... that's a very good team tbh, they also had the very best defense of the entire tournament.

Sorry brah, that's a collection of chokers. And I liked Owen's game, but realistically they were never great at anything or even "contenders"... it's basically what Spain always was before 2010...

[dfens]

Sorry brah, that's a collection of chokers. And I liked Owen's game, but realistically they were never great at anything or even "contenders"... it's basically what Spain always was before 2010...

brah by this logic argentina is a collection of chokers. And I like Messi's game, but realistically they are never great at anything. It's basically Spain before 2010 but without the EC.

[Relevancy]

If we are going to downplay a player just because he didn't achieve anything with their national team, then go right ahead tbh.

But when the national games occur, players usually play out of synch, they are unfamiliar with each other lets just put it that way..

So a player has to basically single handedly win you the game, or the defense has to be fucking up, Messis lack of trophies with Argentina can't be put all on him. He's the best player in the world so I guess all the pressure is put on him, it comes with the territory I guess, but Argentinas losses have been by small marginal errors.. A lot of Argentinians seem to be giving Higuain a pass but not Messi, Higuain to an extent has to be receving more criticism, he just has to.. This dude missed like 3 or 4 sitters that could have turned the game around in Argentinas favor and would have opened up the game for Messi to do his thing.

Lets not even mention the lack of help Messi has upfront lol, Aguero, Di Maria are selfish as fuck, specially Di Maria.. All this dude knows how to do is dribble like a headless chicken.

Na sons Messi can't be measured as a player because of his national team failures, he's too good for people to make up opinions on him based on that.

[DAF86]

brah by this logic argentina is a collection of chokers. And I like Messi's game, but realistically they are never great at anything. It's basically Spain before 2010 but without the EC.

This group of Argies can at least make it past the quarters of big tournaments, tbh.

[DAF86]

If we are going to downplay a player just because he didn't achieve anything with their national team, then go right ahead tbh.

But when the national games occur, players usually play out of synch, they are unfamiliar with each other lets just put it that way..

So a player has to basically single handedly win you the game, or the defense has to be fucking up, Messis lack of trophies with Argentina can't be put all on him. He's the best player in the world so I guess all the pressure is put on him, it comes with the territory I guess, but Argentinas losses have been by small marginal errors.. A lot of Argentinians seem to be giving Higuain a pass but not Messi, Higuain to an extent has to be receving more criticism, he just has to.. This dude missed like 3 or 4 sitters that could have turned the game around in Argentinas favor and would have opened up the game for Messi to do his thing.

Lets not even mention the lack of help Messi has upfront lol, Aguero, Di Maria are selfish as fuck, specially Di Maria.. All this dude knows how to do is dribble like a headless chicken.

Na sons Messi can't be measured as a player because of his national team failures, he's too good for people to make up opinions on him based on that.

Nah, son. After the last final, where it was basically Messi against everybody, nobody is shitting on Messi and all the bitching has landed on Higuian. To the point that he hasn't been called to the next qualifier games (huge mistake, imho. Big final misses and all, he's still, by far, the best Argie striker).

[Relevancy]

Nah, son. After the last final, where it was basically Messi against everybody, nobody is shitting on Messi and all the bitching has landed on Higuian. To the point that he hasn't been called to the next qualifier games (huge mistake, imho. Big final misses and all, he's still, by far, the best Argie striker).He might be a great striker in his club teams, but this dude never really shines with your national team dude.. It's time to give someone else a chance.

[DAF86]

He might be a great striker in his club teams, but this dude never really shines with your national team dude.. It's time to give someone else a chance.

He plays great with the National Team son, his stats and winning % are off the charts. His problem is that he has choked in 3 consecutive finals now.

[Relevancy]

He plays great with the National Team son, his stats and winning % are off the charts. His problem is that he has choked in 3 consecutive finals now.His choking might have made me forgot how well he plays for your national team then:lol

I hope Messi is healthy when the 2018 WC rolls around, that might be the last WC we see him playing at a great form, I'm gonna shed a tear not gonna lie can't think about Football without Messi:cry

[dfens]

niggas there is more sidestepping in this thread than in this monkey video tbh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQRPT-sevo

[ElNono]

brah by this logic argentina is a collection of chokers. And I like Messi's game, but realistically they are never great at anything. It's basically Spain before 2010 but without the EC.

:lol that makes no sense. Argentina won 2 world cups, and won a ton of Copa America tournaments... England hasn't been relevant in 50 years, tbh...

I mean, unless you want to bring up Man Utd and club records, but I think you don't really want to get in that convo... :lol