I finally understand the hatred.....

[J_Paco]

....toward Tony. I still think a lot of it is ridiculous or misplaced.

Haven't read the whole article, but the third paragraph explains why players like Irving (and by extention Parker) are disliked. Although, probably not at the irrational level like this place.


Players with offense-only reputations are always divisive, and the score-first point guard is a particularly distrusted basketball archetype, because of how their on-floor inclinations seem to run counter to the nature of the position. In real life, people who hoard things for themselves just seem off. In basketball, the point guard’s primary role is to share.
This is why Irving drives people insane.

Full article here: https://theringer.com/cleveland-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-olympics-how-to-rate-7f3849043347#.wttqzeahc

[DeRozan m8]

Except Kyrie is clutch and still has speed and mad skills.

Kyrie doesn't constantly shit the bed in big games.

Kyrie is still a team focused player, he gets joy in his team mates succeeding and doesn't sit glum on the bench when a player who isn't himself hits a game winner.

Kyrie doesn't fuck his team mates missus either.

Kyrie doesn't think he's something he isn't.

[houston spurs fan]

This just in, our PG is 34 going on 35. By the way it was an emotional affair, Brent should have taken care of his business anyways, that's on him.

[ducks]

Except Kyrie is clutch and still has speed and mad skills.

Kyrie doesn't constantly shit the bed in big games.

Kyrie is still a team focused player, he gets joy in his team mates succeeding and doesn't sit glum on the bench when a player who isn't himself hits a game winner.

Kyrie doesn't fuck his team mates missus either.

Kyrie doesn't think he's something he isn't.
see james called out him saying how can he have no assist in one game

[dabom]

No one hated Tony in his prime. We just disliked him going Enrique Porker in the playoffs these past 2 years. :lol

[K...]

No one hated Tony in his prime. We just disliked him going Enrique Porker in the playoffs these past 2 years. :lol

But because the crew lacks basic communication skills they fail to differentiate their attacks and motives and wildly inflate the impact of Parker on the team (hello, second seed last year? Top 5 team? )


One of the basic lessons of adulthood is not to complain about things beyond your control. Most Parker haters fail to follow this.

[Spur-Addict]

Your comparison is Kyrie Irving? Really?

[dabom]

But because the crew lacks basic communication skills they fail to differentiate their attacks and motives and wildly inflate the impact of Parker on the team (hello, second seed last year? Top 5 team? )


One of the basic lessons of adulthood is not to complain about things beyond your control. Most Parker haters fail to follow this.

Do you think Porker was the reason for any of that? The Big 3 were shit, and you think Porker was a big reason for that 67 wins possibly 70? That was all fucking Kawhi. :lmao

[SAGirl]

Good article, b4 LeBron, Irving was just a scorer in a woefully bad team and without LeBron he would go back to just flash no substance. It's known LeBron is the real point in that team. Despite his incredible talent as a scorer, even LeBron has come down on Kyrie for his ballhogging ways, and he can get in straight up chucking mode.

[dabom]

2013-14 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2014/) ❍
31
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
PG
23
719
15.8
.531
.101
.202
0.8
6.4
3.7
26.1
1.1
0.2
14.1
28.3

0.3
0.7
1.1
.071

0.0
-1.3
-1.2
0.1


2014-15 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
32
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html)
PG
7
210
6.5
.386
.099
.187
2.0
10.0
5.8
18.9
0.5
0.0
10.0
23.4

-0.4
0.1
-0.3
-0.067

-6.2
-0.3
-6.5
-0.2


2015-16 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2016/)
33
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016.html)
PG
10
264
14.3
.499
.163
.143
0.5
8.7
4.8
31.4
1.2
0.6
14.7
21.6

0.2
0.3
0.4
.079

0.7
-1.5
-0.9
0.1



BPM last 3 playoffs. That includes 2014. :lmao

DOG SHIT these past 3 playoffs. I'm done. :lmao

[dabom]

I think it's proven Tony doesn't make this team better when it counts. I want to see what Pop does this season.

[TheGreatYacht]

Pass first point guards like Stockton, Kidd, and Nash are losing point guards.

Score first point guards are winners. Don't know why they have bad reputations, tbh. I guess it's a vanilla thing to do nowadays.

As for the Tony hate... It's only on Spurstalk :lol a place where Manuretards come to post shitty takes

[DeRozan m8]

Remember how bad he was in Finals Game 5 2014?

Missed literally every shot until it was all over basically,

[RD2191]

Lmao. Tony is a piece of shit, always has been.

[RD2191]

Except Kyrie is clutch and still has speed and mad skills.

Kyrie doesn't constantly shit the bed in big games.

Kyrie is still a team focused player, he gets joy in his team mates succeeding and doesn't sit glum on the bench when a player who isn't himself hits a game winner.

Kyrie doesn't fuck his team mates missus either.

Kyrie doesn't think he's something he isn't.

:wow bold this man

[TheGreatYacht]

Anyways. We can't keep relying on him and LMA to lead the team in scoring past the first round... Some role players gotta step up. Not sure we have one on the roster.

[DeRozan m8]

Anyways. We can't keep relying on him and LMA to lead the team in scoring past the first round... Some role players gotta step up. Not sure we have one on the roster.

I see we're gonna cop another season of your schtick (or shitty take - if by small chance you mean what you type)

Back to the ignore list, fgt

[TheGreatYacht]

I see we're gonna cop another season of your schtick (or shitty take - if by small chance you mean what you type)

Back to the ignore list, fgt
Who are you? Am I supposed to care, you aboriginal faggot :lol

[SpurPadre]

My only thing against him is his propensity to fucking anything that moves to the detriment of his own team and he traumatized poor Eva Longoria. Still, in basketball speak, we gotta root for the guy AND Manu, TGY.

[DeRozan m8]

Who are you? Am I supposed to care, you aboriginal faggot :lol

Hey, im not the one coming here using an alt, cool life, racist fuckwit

[TheGreatYacht]

Hey, im not the one coming here using an alt, cool life, racist fuckwit
I don't use alts. Mods can confirm

[From Downtown]

I don't use alts. Mods can confirm
Who? :lol

[SASdynasty!]

Except Kyrie is clutch and still has speed and mad skills.

Kyrie doesn't constantly shit the bed in big games.

Kyrie is still a team focused player, he gets joy in his team mates succeeding and doesn't sit glum on the bench when a player who isn't himself hits a game winner.

Kyrie doesn't fuck his team mates missus either.

Kyrie doesn't think he's something he isn't.
One of them outplayed Lebron in the Finals and swept him. The other got carried to a title by him.

[SASdynasty!]

2013-14 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2014/) ❍
31
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2014.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014.html)
PG
23
719
15.8
.531
.101
.202
0.8
6.4
3.7
26.1
1.1
0.2
14.1
28.3

0.3
0.7
1.1
.071

0.0
-1.3
-1.2
0.1


2014-15 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
32
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html)
PG
7
210
6.5
.386
.099
.187
2.0
10.0
5.8
18.9
0.5
0.0
10.0
23.4

-0.4
0.1
-0.3
-0.067

-6.2
-0.3
-6.5
-0.2


2015-16 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2016/)
33
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016.html)
PG
10
264
14.3
.499
.163
.143
0.5
8.7
4.8
31.4
1.2
0.6
14.7
21.6

0.2
0.3
0.4
.079

0.7
-1.5
-0.9
0.1



BPM last 3 playoffs. That includes 2014. :lmao

DOG SHIT these past 3 playoffs. I'm done. :lmao
Lol, BPM? The stats that ranked Boban and Simmons as better than Aldridge these playoffs? Wow. The stat that ranked Danny Green as our second best player? Haha, and you're "done"? Like that stat proves something? Lol.

[dabom]

Lol, BPM? The stats that ranked Boban and Simmons as better than Aldridge these playoffs? Wow. The stat that ranked Danny Green as our second best player? Haha, and you're "done"? Like that stat proves something? Lol.

Except I don't evaluate players with garbage minutes to Starters. :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

Remember how bad he was in Finals Game 5 2014?

Missed literally every shot until it was all over basically,
One of the clutchest 4th quarters of Finals history, securing a championship this time. In 2013 he thought the rest of the guys wouldn't choke away a double digit lead in the 4th...but they did. In 2014 he made sure that didn't happen, just like he did against the Mavs in G7. Unfortunately, our new "key guys" can't take over an elimination game. Kinda sad, tbh.

[dabom]

I also don't need advance stats to tell me Tony is dog shit. :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

Except I don't evaluate players with garbage minutes to Starters. :lmao
Then stop using BPM.

[SASdynasty!]

I also don't need advance stats to tell me Tony is dog shit. :lmao
All you have to do is ignore him being a top-10 PG in NBA history, one of only a few FMVP PGs, highest scoring PG in playoff history, and winningest player in NBA history with at least 1,000 games played.

[dabom]

Then stop using BPM.

Who said that was my only tool you stupid fuck. That's where you're wrong. :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

Pass first point guards like Stockton, Kidd, and Nash are losing point guards.

Score first point guards are winners. Don't know why they have bad reputations, tbh. I guess it's a vanilla thing to do nowadays.

As for the Tony hate... It's only on Spurstalk :lol a place where Manuretards come to post shitty takes
Top 3 poster in this forum, tbh.

[DeRozan m8]

One of the clutchest 4th quarters of Finals history, securing a championship this time. In 2013 he thought the rest of the guys wouldn't choke away a double digit lead in the 4th...but they did. In 2014 he made sure that didn't happen, just like he did against the Mavs in G7. Unfortunately, our new "key guys" can't take over an elimination game. Kinda sad, tbh.

LOL your blind Parker love is pathetic.

[DeRozan m8]

One of them outplayed Lebron in the Finals and swept him. The other got carried to a title by him.

We're not talking about 10 odd years ago, you idiot.

We're talking about the scrub thats been at the PG the past couple of seasons, the washed up version that looks like a deer in headlights and fails miserably when it matters.

[skulls138]

Remember how bad he was in Finals Game 5 2014?

Missed literally every shot until it was all over basically,Remember how great he was in '13?

[jehawk81]

Pass first point guards like Stockton, Kidd, and Nash are losing point guards..

Score first point guards are winners. Don't know why they have bad reputations, tbh. I guess it's a vanilla thing to do nowadays.

As for the Tony hate... It's only on Spurstalk :lol a place where Manuretards come to post shitty takes

I wouldn't call them losers, per se. But their finals records, or lack thereof, tell us we've had the right point guard for our system. Parker has been a scorer when we've needed him to be, a passer when the team's needed him to be one, & the team leader (head of the snake) when that's been needed of him. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but nobody has been.

[skulls138]

Except Kyrie is clutch and still has speed and mad skills.

Kyrie doesn't constantly shit the bed in big games.

Kyrie is still a team focused player, he gets joy in his team mates succeeding and doesn't sit glum on the bench when a player who isn't himself hits a game winner.

Kyrie doesn't fuck his team mates missus either.

Kyrie doesn't think he's something he isn't.And Kyrie is entering his prime. Easy distinction to make but you dont make it. Your takes are irrelevant and hateful. Make some fucking sense.

[DeRozan m8]

Remember how great he was in '13?

Yep, I admit he was decent in 13.

We also lost that, didn't we?

[DeRozan m8]

And Kyrie is entering his prime. Easy distinction to make but you dont make it. Your takes are irrelevant and hateful. Make some fucking sense.

Its irrelevant and hateful if you're a pussy that hates the truth tbh

No need to sugarcoat shit, we know Kyrie is younger, this isn't about age, its about the CURRENT situation.

Face the fucking facts, players don't last forever...

And you Parker defending idiots need to realize its nothing personal, i used to love Parker as a player, but things change...start putting the team ahead of your little man crushes you've been carrying for a decade.

Sometimes you need to let go...

[TheGreatYacht]

I wouldn't call them losers, per se. But their finals records, or lack thereof, tell us we've had the right point guard for our system. Parker has been a scorer when we've needed him to be, a passer when the team's needed him to be one, & the team leader (head of the snake) when that's been needed of him. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but nobody has been.
:wow truth nuke

[dabom]

Tony got a max extension after he was shit and everyone said it was a bad idea. :lmao

He was shit even back then. People almost forget just cause we rang.

[Emperor]

Pass first point guards like Stockton, Kidd, and Nash are losing point guards.

Score first point guards are winners. Don't know why they have bad reputations, tbh. I guess it's a vanilla thing to do nowadays.

As for the Tony hate... It's only on Spurstalk :lol a place where Manuretards come to post shitty takes

Which winning score first pgs you talking about? If you're using Stockton and Kidd as examples for losing pgs i'm going with 90's pgs also and assuming you meant John Paxson, Steve Kerr, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell then on to the 2000's with Parker, Fisher, Payton, Jason Williams, RONDO, all winning pgs with Rondo probably being the biggest past first pg of them all. But i think it's safe to say that the rest of the pgs won titles while not being the best player and mvp on their team during their title run including Rondo but except for maaaaybe Parker in '07.

[jehawk81]

Do you think Porker was the reason for any of that? The Big 3 were shit, and you think Porker was a big reason for that 67 wins possibly 70? That was all fucking Kawhi. :lmao

Like u, I'm glad Kawhi is a Spur. However, in the playoffs (which seems to be the only thing that matters to the krew), he's disappointed when it matters. Sure he helped us win a championship, but he did so as a role player on an all-time great team (2014).

Anyway, I hope he steps his game up even more this year. However, this doesn't mean his #s have to increase. It will be better for him (Kawhi) & the team if he stays within a system that better suits the team. A Spurs iso-heavy team will keep having a hard time beating great ball-movement teams. With the players the team has this season, it's better to let the points come from the open man, whomever that may be.

[dabom]

Like u, I'm glad Kawhi is a Spur. However, in the playoffs (which seems to be the only thing that matters to the krew), he's disappointed when it matters. Sure he helped us win a championship, but he did so as a role player on an all-time great team (2014).

Anyway, I hope he steps his game up even more this year. However, this doesn't mean his #s have to increase. It will be better for him (Kawhi) & the team if he stays within a system that better suits the team. A Spurs iso-heavy team will keep having a hard time beating great ball-movement teams. With the players the team has this season, it's better to let the points come from the open man, whomever that may be.

The Spurs are a JUGGERNAUT because of Kawhi. Don't get that twisted.

[DeRozan m8]

The Spurs are a JUGGERNAUT because of Kawhi. Don't get that twisted.

So many old timers underrating Kawhi, stuck in their big 3 love.

Dude gives so much on both ends of the floor but is somehow expected to win every game on his own according to spurstalk.

[jehawk81]

The Spurs are a JUGGERNAUT because of Kawhi. Don't get that twisted.

Kawhi is who he is because of the system, the coaching, & the culture that was put in place with Duncan, Pop, Tony & Manu.. don't EVER question that.

[J_Paco]

Your comparison is Kyrie Irving? Really?

Are so slow that you didn't read what I quoted? Last time I looked Parker and Irving are both PG's, so they can be compared.

Here you go:
Players (Parker, Irving, Anthony, etc.) with offense-only reputations are always divisive, and the score-first point guard is a particularly distrusted basketball archetype, because of how their on-floor inclinations seem to run counter to the nature of the position. In real life, people who hoard things for themselves just seem off. In basketball, the point guard’s primary role is to share.
This is why Irving drives people insane.

[dabom]

Kawhi is who he is because of the system, the coaching, & the culture that was put in place with Duncan, Pop, Tony & Manu.. don't EVER question that.
Culture of fucking your teammates wife? Waiving the white flag? Getting outplayed by your backup? :lmao

[jehawk81]

Culture of fucking your teammates wife? Waiving the white flag? Getting outplayed by your backup? :lmao

If that's what it takes to win, then YES!

[dabom]

If that's what it takes to win, then YES!

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:l ol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol :lol:lol:lol:lol

These deluded fucks. :lmao

[RD2191]

Kawhi is who he is because of the system, the coaching, & the culture that was put in place with Duncan, Pop, Tony & Manu.. don't EVER question that.

Crofl. Kill yourself fucking faggot. If anything Pop's system is holding Kawhi back.

[jehawk81]

Culture of fucking your teammates wife?...

& LOL @ dis nigga ****-hurt over that :lmao:rollin:lmao

[TrainOfThought5]

Except Kyrie is clutch and still has speed and mad skills.

Kyrie doesn't constantly shit the bed in big games.

Kyrie is still a team focused player, he gets joy in his team mates succeeding and doesn't sit glum on the bench when a player who isn't himself hits a game winner.

Kyrie doesn't fuck his team mates missus either.

Kyrie doesn't think he's something he isn't.

Gotta admit.... this is lowkey /thread material.

[skulls138]

Yep, I admit he was decent in 13.

We also lost that, didn't we?But not because of Parker. Manu went coo coo and took Parkers glory from him and then grabbed it for himself the next year. If Manu wouldve just been a normal run of the mill NBA player and KL made one tiny free throw the unbelievable hatred and backstabbing toward Parker wouldnt exist. I take that back its obvious this has nothing to do with Parker and everything to do with needing something to hate.

And Manu is my third favorite player of all time behind Bird and Duncan so this has nothing to do with Manu hatred.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhi is who he is because of the system, the coaching, & the culture that was put in place with Duncan, Pop, Tony & Manu.. don't EVER question that.
Agreed. Kiwi got benched by TOSB Stephen Jackson

[Clipper Nation]

Pass first point guards like Stockton, Kidd, and Nash are losing point guards.

Score first point guards are winners. Don't know why they have bad reputations, tbh. I guess it's a vanilla thing to do nowadays.

That's funny, considering you're one of the biggest Russell Westbrook haters on this site. He's the epitome of a score-first point guard.

Stockton, Kidd and Nash are losers, but so are chuckers like Marbury, Iverson and LVPorker.

[ElNono]

I dunno when unbiased opinion became synonymous with hatred, tbh...

Everybody in here except lefty wants Tony to be great again, or at least have one "rejuvenated" season, IMO.

[dabom]

I dunno when unbiased opinion became synonymous with hatred, tbh...

Everybody in here except lefty (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=6896) wants Tony to be great again, or at least have one "rejuvenated" season, IMO.

I loved Tony in 2012 and 2013. We needed him on the floor to compete. The last 3 years have been the exact opposite. What do these twats don't get?

[skulls138]

Yes, every player should always be in their prime all the time or their faggots and deserve to die a slow death for making your lives so miserable. Boo fucking hoo

[dabom]

No one is asking him to be in his prime. Can he at least be a neutral impact fucking player? :lol

[jehawk81]

I dunno when unbiased opinion became synonymous with hatred, tbh...

Everybody in here except lefty wants Tony to be great again, or at least have one "rejuvenated" season, IMO.

Ummm not that it matters, but people have literally used the word "hate", plus all the silly blame that goes on to individual players, so I'll take it you're trolling.. & yes, I know they're trolling also

& i think real Spurs fans want the TEAM to be great again, irregardless of who gets the individual #s

[RD2191]

No one is asking him to be in his prime. Can he at least be a neutral impact fucking player? :lol

I would have zero problem with Parker if he was a bench player. The coaching staff also has a lot to do with the hams inflated ego.

[DeRozan m8]

But not because of Parker. Manu went coo coo and took Parkers glory from him and then grabbed it for himself the next year. If Manu wouldve just been a normal run of the mill NBA player and KL made one tiny free throw the unbelievable hatred and backstabbing toward Parker wouldnt exist. I take that back its obvious this has nothing to do with Parker and everything to do with needing something to hate.

And Manu is my third favorite player of all time behind Bird and Duncan so this has nothing to do with Manu hatred.

Dunno why you're so focused on a series from 3+ years ago that we lost.
Parker did good yes, cool....no one is disputing any of this and all hate is focused on the past 2 years, especially play off runs...we could also add bits of 14 in there too though, because he was such a minor part of us winning in the scheme of it.

This isn't hate for the sake of it, some of you morons need to take your rose colored glasses off...

This board can be such pussies with the whole "You hate X player so you must be a troll" type garbage.

Some of you just like shit players past their prime and are too biased and blind to see it.

Not my problem

[cd98]

I like Parker, but not many teams win titles when their leading scorer is their point guard. I guess there was Parker in 2007 and Curry two years ago. But 2007 was against mostly weak competition and it took the big 3 to beat the Suns in 2007 and Utah was meh and the Cavs were not worthy. And I think the Warriors won a title in spite of Curry. I'm not aware of any other teams that won a title with a scoring point guard.

[tholdren]

Except Kyrie is clutch and still has speed and mad skills.

Kyrie doesn't constantly shit the bed in big games.

Kyrie is still a team focused player, he gets joy in his team mates succeeding and doesn't sit glum on the bench when a player who isn't himself hits a game winner.

Kyrie doesn't fuck his team mates missus either.

Kyrie doesn't think he's something he isn't.
LOL LOL LOL LOL

Kyrie took the worst shot in playoff finals history and wound up making it. He is arguably the dumbest pg in the league.

[DeRozan m8]

LOL LOL LOL LOL

Kyrie took the worst shot in playoff finals history and wound up making it. He is arguably the dumbest pg in the league.

What does one even say to things like this?

[SuperCam]

Pass first point guards like Stockton, Kidd, and Nash are losing point guards.

Score first point guards are winners. Don't know why they have bad reputations, tbh. I guess it's a vanilla thing to do nowadays.

As for the Tony hate... It's only on Spurstalk :lol a place where Manuretards come to post shitty takes

this tbh. besides kidd in 2011 how often are pass first guards winning anything? rondo doesn't count he was in diapers on that boston team which the big 3 carried. The entire modern history of this league the last 25 years has been aggressive score first guards putting their team on their back like tony and kyrie. they are the winners in june while the pass first guards which white people obsess over like chris paul and nash and rondo all in their primes go home ringless.

[DeRozan m8]

this tbh. besides kidd in 2011 how often are pass first guards winning anything? rondo doesn't count he was in diapers on that boston team which the big 3 carried. The entire modern history of this league the last 25 years has been aggressive score first guards putting their team on their back like tony and kyrie. they are the winners in june while the pass first guards which white people obsess over like chris paul and nash and rondo all in their primes go home ringless.

Thats cool.

He still fucking sucks now and should come off the bench.

He can't even score like that anymore and isn't expected to as Pop knows this, so by your and TGY theory, we need to actually replace him now.


Thanks for confirming, guys.

Cheers

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao at LVPorker and Kyrie "putting their team on their back." Last I checked, it was Duncan/Manu/Kawhi and LeBron doing the heavy lifting for those teams, not the chucking cancerous point guards.

Curry is the only scoring point guard since Magic and Isiah to ring as the first option. And his three-point shooting is a historical outlier. Even then, he's a playoff choke artist who had to be dragged to his only ring by Iguodala and David Lee against a bunch of injury-ravaged teams.

Pass-first point guards are losers, but so are score-first point guards. The bottom line is, in a league where height and length matter more than any other sport, building around a point guard is a bad idea. Any roster whose best player can be neutralized in the playoffs just by having a bigger player guard them is a poorly built roster.

And then there's the real losers like LVPorker and Choke Paul, who have never had first-option talent, don't have a clutch bone in their body, but have the ego of a first option and sabotage their teams because of it.

[DJR210]

Kyrie doesn't fuck his team mates missus either.

Other celebs are too busy fucking his

[YGWHI]

I wouldn't call them losers, per se. But their finals records, or lack thereof, tell us we've had the right point guard for our system. Parker has been a scorer when we've needed him to be, a passer when the team's needed him to be one, & the team leader (head of the snake) when that's been needed of him. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but nobody has been.

You can't say this...when Parker's lack of court vision and passing skills make a 39 years old Manu our best playmaker.

Since he lost his speed he isn't the scorer he was, he isn't a true playmaker, nor a shooter, he can't adapt his game to his declining physical condition.

He can play good early in the regular season but he's aging bad and his game sucks in the playoffs, he can't compete against younger, faster, elite guards anymore.

And just for the record, put Nash along prime-Tim instead of Amar'e, and tell me how many rings that "loser" would have won.

[SuperCam]

^^ as good as LeKing is he isn't ringing if killa kyrie isn't asserting his will in the latter half of the finals outplaying the mulatto brothers. spursfan should know after he did it in 2015 and scored more points in the building than any spur has ever done. you ain't ever gonna see chris paul rondo or john wall doing that in the finals. 10 assist a game doesn't mean anything after the first round when the role players and scrubs you are passing too can't do shit :lol

[SuperCam]

before manure intervened MVParker had wrapped up the a ring in 2013 for the spurs. his play in game 1, and clutch shots in 6 had the title before manure and kiwi choked of course. gotta respect the head of the snake :worthy:

[SASdynasty!]

Dunno why you're so focused on a series from 3+ years ago that we lost.
Parker did good yes, cool....no one is disputing any of this and all hate is focused on the past 2 years, especially play off runs...we could also add bits of 14 in there too though, because he was such a minor part of us winning in the scheme of it.

This isn't hate for the sake of it, some of you morons need to take your rose colored glasses off...

This board can be such pussies with the whole "You hate X player so you must be a troll" type garbage.

Some of you just like shit players past their prime and are too biased and blind to see it.

Not my problem
"Minor part" =

2014 Spurs All-Stars: Tony Parker
2014 Spurs All-NBA: Tony Parker
2014 RS Leading Scorer: Tony Parker
2014 RS Leading Assists: Tony Parker
2014 Playoffs Leading Scorer: Tony Parker
2014 Playoffs Leading Assists: Tony Parker
2014 Finals Leading Scorer: Tony Parker
2014 Elimination Game Best Player: Tony Parker

"Minor part" lol.

[SASdynasty!]

:lmao at LVPorker and Kyrie "putting their team on their back." Last I checked, it was Duncan/Manu/Kawhi and LeBron doing the heavy lifting for those teams, not the chucking cancerous point guards.

Curry is the only scoring point guard since Magic and Isiah to ring as the first option. And his three-point shooting is a historical outlier. Even then, he's a playoff choke artist who had to be dragged to his only ring by Iguodala and David Lee against a bunch of injury-ravaged teams.

Pass-first point guards are losers, but so are score-first point guards. The bottom line is, in a league where height and length matter more than any other sport, building around a point guard is a bad idea. Any roster whose best player can be neutralized in the playoffs just by having a bigger player guard them is a poorly built roster.

And then there's the real losers like LVPorker and Choke Paul, who have never had first-option talent, don't have a clutch bone in their body, but have the ego of a first option and sabotage their teams because of it.
Please never put Parker in the same conversation as a guy who can't get out of the second round 10 years into his career with a stacked cast and good coach.

[YGWHI]

...

Poor Paker's stans. They can't post any decent stats of his hero in playoffs since 2014.

I wonder if it has something to do with him being a Net negative player in the last two postseasons...

[YGWHI]

Anyway, we shouldn't hate Parker because of he's aging bad. He can't do anything about it.

But we can criticize him because he isn't willing to accept a new role, to be a cog in the machine, sacrificing his high status in order to win.

There are players who are willing to sacrifice everything for the team, Parker never was one of them. Like Lowe said, Pop felt that Manu's selflessness "might accept the bench role more readly than Parker".

[J_Paco]

Anyway, we shouldn't hate Parker because of he's aging bad. He can't do anything about it.

But we can criticize him because he isn't willing to accept a new role, to be a cog in the machine, sacrificing his high status in order to win.

There are players who are willing to sacrifice everything for the team, Parker never was one of them. Like Lowe said, Pop felt that Manu's selflessness "might accept the bench role more readly than Parker".

:bang:bang:bang:bang

Your comment runs in direct contrast to the facts and actual situation. Inaccurate statements like that are exactly why no one takes y'all Kawhi fanboys serious.

Keyword is that Manu might have accepted more readily, not that Tony would be completely against the idea. He did come off the bench during George Hill's last season in San Antonio, after all.

might: used in auxiliary function to express permission, liberty, probability, possibility in the past

[YGWHI]

:bang:bang:bang:bang

Your comment runs in direct contrast to the facts and actual situation. Inaccurate statements like that are exactly why no one takes y'all Kawhi fanboys serious.

If you think that Parker taking and missing crucial shots in the last two playoffs has nothing to do with his personality and his inexplicable need to be the Hero...

[daslicer]

They are only 3 pass first point guards in the NBA today which are Paul,Rubio,Rondo. Outside of those 3 you won't find a pass first point guard. Over 90 percent of point guards today are basically undersized SGs.

[dabom]

:bang:bang:bang:bang

Your comment runs in direct contrast to the facts and actual situation. Inaccurate statements like that are exactly why no one takes y'all Kawhi fanboys serious.

What part did you have a problem with?... And this is me not YG asking.

[YGWHI]

:bang:bang:bang:bang

Your comment runs in direct contrast to the facts and actual situation. Inaccurate statements like that are exactly why no one takes y'all Kawhi fanboys serious.

Also, talking about "facts" I said he has been a Net negative player in the last two postseason, his stats show it. I would call those stats "facts".

Since he can't compete against West Conference elite guards in playoffs, anymore...I'd call it a "fact" too.

But sure, it's all about "fans boys"

[DeRozan m8]

If you think that Parker taking and missing crucial shots in the last two playoffs has nothing to do with his personality and his inexplicable need to be the Hero...

Exactly.

Props to your last couple of posts, sir

:bobo

Funny thing is, Parker stans can't see beyond "OMG THEY HATE PARKER, FUCKIN KAWHI FANS"....when its nothing personal what so ever....

[J_Paco]

If you think that Parker taking and missing crucial shots in the last two playoffs has nothing to do with his personality and his inexplicable need to be the Hero...

Or maybe the best player (you and the "Krews" infatuation) was too fucking passive. So, a 38 year old center and an over-the-hill PG had to try to win the game(s).

Maybe Kawhi can find some of that '14 Finals magic more often and y'all can stop finding other people to blame.

[SAGirl]

You can't say this...when Parker's lack of court vision and passing skills make a 39 years old Manu our best playmaker.

Since he lost his speed he isn't the scorer he was, he isn't a true playmaker, nor a shooter, he can't adapt his game to his declining physical condition.

He can play good early in the regular season but he's aging bad and his game sucks in the playoffs, he can't compete against younger, faster, elite guards anymore.

And just for the record, put Nash along prime-Tim instead of Amar'e, and tell me how many rings that "loser" would have won.

This is probably the truth, he was great, but age robbed him of his elite speed and stamina, and having lost that, the other parts of his game are not enough to keep him elite. But whatever, these Tony vs. the World threads are getting old (Manu, Mills, etc).

The best one can hope for is like ElNono said, that he has a good season in his adjusted role. I wish for the same for Manu TBH, who at 39 is approaching the same done level, despite all the Manu fanboys here being the banner bearers for the anti-Tony parade.

I am in the camp that rather hopes for the continued development and improvement of our youth, and that these two stay healthy. I know ppl like to pit them against each other, but they might be around the same at this point and should not be guys that need to be carrying the team. Both are paid a hefty sum, and will make us go bonkers at Pop when they are still overplayed, so whatever. It's best to hope they have a good season and enjoy the show.

[SAGirl]

Anyway, we shouldn't hate Parker because of he's aging bad. He can't do anything about it.

But we can criticize him because he isn't willing to accept a new role, to be a cog in the machine, sacrificing his high status in order to win.

There are players who are willing to sacrifice everything for the team, Parker never was one of them. Like Lowe said, Pop felt that Manu's selflessness "might accept the bench role more readly than Parker".

I am putting the whole thing on Pop TBH. Is he getting soft?

[J_Paco]

What part did you have a problem with?... And this is me not YG asking.

All of it, man. Parker played the least amount of minutes, scored the least amount of points and took the least amount of shots per game since his rookie season. He is old, limited and not that good anymore but the team losing in the playoffs isn't an indictment of him.

The blame mostly falls on the shoulders of Popovich, Leonard and Aldridge. Parker, Ginobili and (last season) Duncan are too old to make a significant impact, but y'all are either too stupid or too afraid to place appropriate blame.

Same reason y''all run to shithead Stephen Jackson for quotes or cry about an old ass PG being "shitty, TOSB or POS."

Which is hilarious in actual real world context because Parker is infinitely more succesul in his field than all of us.

"But, but, but he got old, is shitty now and played poor a bunch of times in a long storied career."

[dabom]

All of it, man. Parker played the least amount of minutes, scored the least amount of points and took the least amount of shots per game since his rookie season. He is old, limited and not that good anymore but the team losing in the playoffs isn't an indictment of him.

The blame mostly falls on the shoulders of Popovich, Leonard and Aldridge. Parker, Ginobili and (last season) Duncan are too old to make a significant impact, but y'all are either too stupid or too afraid to place appropriate blame.

Same reason y''all run to shithead Stephen Jackson for quotes or cry about an old ass PG being "shitty, TOSB or POS."

Which is hilarious in actual real world context because Parker is infinitely more succesul than all of us. "

"But, but, but he did got old is shitty now and played poor a bunch of times in a long storied career."

Brah. He can tell Pop to bench his ass at any time you stupid fuck. He didn't. He IS the sole reason for us losing these past 2 years. :lmao

You have a stupid fucking imagination of how shit works. :lmao

[jehawk81]

Or maybe the best player (you and the "Krews" infatuation) was too fucking passive. So, a 38 year old center and an over-the-hill PG had to try to win the game.

Maybe Kawhi can find some of that '14 Finals magic more often and y'all can stop finding other people to blame.

:wow:wow:wow

[SAGirl]

All of it, man. Parker played the least amount of minutes, scored the least amount of points and took the least amount of shots per game since his rookie season. He is old, limited and not that good anymore but the team losing in the playoffs isn't an indictment of him.

The blame mostly falls on the shoulders of Popovich, Leonard and Aldridge. Parker, Ginobili and (last season) Duncan are too old to make a significant impact, but y'all are either too stupid or too afraid to place appropriate blame.

Same reason y''all run to shithead Stephen Jackson for quotes or cry about an old ass PG being "shitty, TOSB or POS."

Which is hilarious in actual real world context because Parker is infinitely more succesul than all of us. "

"But, but, but he did got old is shitty now and played poor a bunch of times in a long storied career."

I gave Pop a pass bc truly Timmy fell off a cliff and that caught Pop offguard. When your second best big in a playoff series is Dworst bc Tim is hurt, Spurs weren't going far anyways. And now I kind of hope Manu doesn't go the same way as Tim bc it would be a shame for Pop to over-rely on these guys and then get faced with a situation he can't adjust to bc some of his key guys are missing/injured not 100%. Thus, why I said it's best to just hope everyone is healthy.

After that, yea it's all on Pop.

[YGWHI]

Funny thing is, Parker stans can't see beyond "OMG THEY HATE PARKER, FUCKIN KAWHI FANS"....when its nothing personal what so ever....

I don't hate Parker. Also, I didn't have any issue with him being the "scoring leader" -like SASDynasty loves to point out at every chance- when he was in his prime.

But I hated to see Parker taking the ball from Patty's hands in the Clippers series when Mills was shooting great... I hated to see Parker taking those shots in game 5 against OKC when he was the guard who would find and create for his main scorers

[J_Paco]

Brah. He can tell Pop to bench his ass at any time you stupid fuck. He didn't. He IS the sole reason for us losing these past 2 years. :lmao

You have a stupid fucking imagination of how shit works. :lmao

You are just stupid and "imagine how things work." No one on this fucking message board or in any fanbase "knows how it works."

We aren't there making the decisions and deciding who plays when. That is the coach's decision, idiot. The same coach that ran the offense through your crush Kawhi and Aldridge. The same two players that underperformed during the end of the OKC series and caused us to lose.

The same coach that benched Tony on numerous occasions in the regular season, but couldn't do so against OKC. Since your other man crush, Patty Mills, is absolute shit on defense and wasn't making his shots (the only thing he is good at).

No, but please remind me about how I "imagine shit" about all of this. When you idiots literally act like pseudo sports therapists making up motivations, emotions and relationships for a bunch of athletes y'all have never met.

Oh, I forgot. FAGGOT, FAGGOT, FAGGOT.....

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[K...]

Brah. He can tell Pop to bench his ass at any time you stupid fuck. He didn't. He IS the sole reason for us losing these past 2 years. :lmao

You have a stupid fucking imagination of how shit works. :lmao

we say all the time in our mods meeting "can't dabom just stop himself from shitty posting" but he never does. No fucking sports player is going to EVER ASK TOBe BENCHED YOU SHITHEAD

[dabom]

You are just stupid and "imagine how things work." No one on this fucking message board or in any fanbase "knows how it works."

We aren't there making the decisions and deciding who plays when. That is the coach's decision, idiot. The same coach that ran the offense through your crush Kawhi and Aldridge. The same two players that underperformed during the end of the OKC series and caused us to lose.

The same coach that benched Tony on numerous occasions in the regular season, but couldn't do so against OKC. Since your other man crush, Patty Mills, is absolute shit on defense and wasn't making his shots (the only thing he is good at).

No, but please remind me about how I "imagine shit" about all of this. When you idiots literally act like pseudo sports therapists making up motivations, emotions and relationships for a bunch of athletes y'all have never met.

Tony is part of the Big three. Did you not read the Manu article on how they all 3 and Pop decide on the big shit. Tony can tell Pop to bench his ass. He has that much power you stupid fuck. :lmao

[K...]

OP has made the best troll thread since "Duncan refused to go to olypics " shitstorm. Congrats on baiting the 4 or 5 dumb ass kids who don't remember how much we talked about PArker last year.

[K...]

Tony is part of the Big three. Did you not read the Manu article on how they all 3 and Pop decide on the big shit. Tony can tell Pop to bench his ass. He has that much power you stupid fuck. :lmao

Dabom is a top 10 poster who has the power to not post shitty topics.

[YGWHI]

Or maybe the best player (you and the "Krews" infatuation) was too fucking passive. So, a 38 year old center and an over-the-hill PG had to try to win the game(s).

Maybe Kawhi can find some of that '14 Finals magic more often and y'all can stop finding other people to blame.

Yep...Because Kawhi has to hit Parker's in the stomach to take the ball, right?

Or you don't remember Pop calling Parker out against OKC in the regular season because he didn't want to pass the ball to Kawhi?

Kawhi was the most efficient scorer in game 5 OKC series, why in the hell a vet point guard who is way past his prime would'nt create for his main scorer in the game instead of looking for his own shot?

[K...]

Yep...Because Kawhi has to hit Parker's in the stomach to take the ball, right?

Or you don't remember Pop calling Parker out against OKC in the regular season because he didn't want to pass the ball to Kawhi?

Kawhi was the most efficient scorer in game 5, why in the hell a vet point guard who is way past his prime would'nt look for his main scorer in the game?

lmao one play...ever.......

[YGWHI]

lmao one play...ever.......

In public.

[dabom]

Dabom is a top 10 poster who has the power to not post shitty topics.

Glad you coming around.

[SAGirl]

The season can't start soon enough when kids are hating on Spurs players. We need some rivalries abrewing with Durbeta and GSW crew, Clippers, and whoever else.

[YGWHI]

The same coach that benched Tony on numerous occasions in the regular season, but couldn't do so against OKC. Since your other man crush, Patty Mills, is absolute shit on defense and wasn't making his shots (the only thing he is good at).

Was that the reason why Parker didn't get benched in the Clippers series?

IIRC Mills was shooting great and still Parker played a lot of minutes, looking like a shit until the last game.

[YGWHI]

I am putting the whole thing on Pop TBH. Is he getting soft?

It's the loyalty thing that kills him and the team. Pop said that Manu/Parker have earned those minutes/FGAs but it seems like he doesn't realize how much those two players have aged.

[ElNono]

The season can't start soon enough when kids are hating on Spurs players. We need some rivalries abrewing with Durbeta and GSW crew, Clippers, and whoever else.

I don't get it, tbh... the only Spurs player that deserves and truly earned this kind of hate is Matt Bonner.... the rest, you can criticize here or there, but hate? come on...

[J_Paco]

Tony is part of the Big three. Did you not read the Manu article on how they all 3 and Pop decide on the big shit. Tony can tell Pop to bench his ass. He has that much power you stupid fuck. :lmao

You truly are a special type of stupid or retarded. I hope you don't use such stupid, skewed logic in your everyday life.

For the last time (for stupid), the Big 3 are old and aren't impact players anymore. None of them are/were last season and beyond. Tony doesn't decide the rotations, minutes or any of the on-court matters, Popovich the coach does. He supposedly had a hand with Manu and Tim on PERSONNEL DECISIONS.

None of that matters, cause Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge were the two best and important players, but underperformed when it mattered most. THE BLAME SHOULD FALL ON THE SHOULDERS OF KAWHI, LAMARCUS & POPOVICH.

Imagine how stupid DaDumbass' argument would be if he rooted for OKC or Golden State.

"That POS Roberson/Bogut (Tony) cost us the series against Golden State/Cleveland, they didn't magically play over their head. Nah, it isn't Durant-Westbrook-Donovan/Curry-Thompson-Green-Kerr's fault even though they are the best players and the actual decision maker."

"No, I'm going to be stupid and blame the fucking role player only."


"FAGGOT, FAGGOT, FAGGOT, FAGGOT, FAGGOT, FAGGOT"

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[YGWHI]

The season can't start soon enough when kids are hating on Spurs players. We need some rivalries abrewing with Durbeta and GSW crew, Clippers, and whoever else.

There is a big difference between hate and criticism.

I've said before that I don't hate Parker. What I hate is Parker not being willing to accept a role, to adapt his game...

Also, I find it very stupid that people call me hater when I just post "he has been a Net negative player in the last two postseasons"

Unlike, most Parker stans in this thread who called Kawhi retarded at every chance, I never called Parker, Porker/choker/whatver

Tell me why I'm "hating on him."

[dabom]

I'm done talking to an idiot. I never said the big 3 were productive you dumbass. You going on a tangent. :lmao

[J_Paco]

Was that the reason why Parker didn't get benched in the Clippers series?

IIRC Mills was shooting great and still Parker played a lot of minutes, looking like a shit until the last game.

Gregg Popovich is your answer, friend. He (stupidly) decide to play Tony over Corey Joseph and Patty Mills. Tony wasn't either good or heathly enough to play in that series, but Pop just keep trotting him out there.

The players have pride and aren't going to admit when they shouldn't play. The coach needs to be flexible enough to know when that time has come. Pop has in the past but for whatever reason was unwilling to make that needed move.

Tony got destroyed by Paul and the team lost with his piss poor play.

[YGWHI]

"No, I'm going to be stupid and blame the fucking role player only."

Like Paker has accepted to be a role player in playoffs... :lol

Don't be naive.

[J_Paco]

I'm done talking to an idiot. I never said the big 3 were productive you dumbass. You going on a tangent. :lmao

If they aren't "productive," which they still are but you are too dumb to notice, why do you continually place blame on the "unproductive" PG? Is it becauee you are too insecure to place blame on your man crushes?

Probably so....

You're done cause you can't make a substantive argument. Your IQ is too low.

Go huddle up with your boyfriends and have another bukkake session to that picture of Kawhi and Patty. Maybe it'll inspire to have a valid thought.

[YGWHI]

The players have pride and aren't going to admit when they shouldn't play. The coach needs to be flexible enough to know when that time has come. Pop has in the past but for whatever reason was unwilling to make that needed move.

Tony got destroyed by Paul and the team lost with his piss poor play.

Maybe because that move would destroy Parker's ego-I-mean-pride. If it's true that tells me a lot about the player

[jehawk81]

You can't say this...when Parker's lack of court vision and passing skills make a 39 years old Manu our best playmaker.

Since he lost his speed he isn't the scorer he was, he isn't a true playmaker, nor a shooter, he can't adapt his game to his declining physical condition.

He can play good early in the regular season but he's aging bad and his game sucks in the playoffs, he can't compete against younger, faster, elite guards anymore.

And just for the record, put Nash along prime-Tim instead of Amar'e, and tell me how many rings that "loser" would have won.

▪Manu is still a better playmaker than 90% of the league
▪Everybody loses speed & has to figure out a way to still be productive. Has his game aged gracefully? Probably not as much as Timmy's, but whose has?
▪Not his fault that he's aged & can't compete with the younger, faster, elite guards anymore.. it's part of life
▪Coulda/woulda.. it wasn't meant to be, & that's not Tony's fault at all

[houston spurs fan]

I don't get it, tbh... the only Spurs player that deserves and truly earned this kind of hate is Matt Bonner.... the rest, you can criticize here or there, but hate? come on...
How can anyone truly hate Matt Bonner? I've said many times, you wanna hate TP, Bonner, Manu coming off the bench, etc...it's all on Pop right? He's the decision maker imo. Duncan the foundation. We've won 5 (should have been 6-8) championships in San Antonio fucking Texas and all you bitches want to hate TP, Bonner, Manu, Drunk Coyote, Att Center fans, etc...? I love my team, spent countless hours and thousands of dollars watching them. But I hate this fucking fan Base. This is like the West Virginia of America...infer as you will

[YGWHI]

▪Manu is still a better playmaker than 90% of the league
▪Everybody loses speed & has to figure out a way to still be productive. Has his game aged gracefully? Probably not as much as Timmy's, but whose has?
▪Not his fault that he's aged & can't compete with the younger, faster, elite guards anymore.. it's part of life
▪Coulda/woulda.. it wasn't meant to be, & that's not Tony's fault at all



Anyway, we shouldn't hate Parker because of he's aging bad. He can't do anything about it.

But we can criticize him because he isn't willing to accept a new role, to be a cog in the machine, sacrificing his high status in order to win.

[J_Paco]

I don't get it, tbh... the only Spurs player that deserves and truly earned this kind of hate is Matt Bonner.... the rest, you can criticize here or there, but hate? come on...


The season can't start soon enough when kids are hating on Spurs players. We need some rivalries abrewing with Durbeta and GSW crew, Clippers, and whoever else.


Maybe because that move would destroy Parker's ego-I-mean-pride. If it's true that tells me a lot about the player

Why are you trying to psycho analyze a person you don't know? Tony isn't some fragile child or insecure teenager.

He has been benched before, for George Hill matter of fact, and I'm sure he is smart enough to know that his time as a starter is coming to an end.

I really was hoping they would find that candidate this offseason, but that didn't happen. They need to pray he holds up (as a starter) one last season and then they can send him to the bench.

And the fact that Tony is so polarizing within our own fanbase gives some credence to the article. We all have an idea in our minds of what point guard is "supposed" to do and Parker has never fit that mold. So when he fails or performs poorly, it feels magnified because he doesn't ever reach the "expectations" we have set for him. Or something like that.....

He also is just a flawed athlete and person (who has been in the same place for 15 years), but we all are, and for whatever reason people want to crucify him for that. And constantly pick apart his missteps and failures.

Note: My thoughts are not in order so please don't feel like I'm attacking you, ElNono or SAGirl. My responses to y'all are the third and fourth paragraph. Not the first two.

[YGWHI]

Why are you trying to psycho analyze a person you don't know? Tony isn't some fragile child or insecure teenager.

Why are you assuming that "a person you don't know" isn't insecure/doesn't have a fragile ego?...

[jehawk81]

Anyway, we shouldn't hate Parker because of he's aging bad. He can't do anything about it.

But we can criticize him because he isn't willing to accept a new role, to be a cog in the machine, sacrificing his high status in order to win.

There are players who are willing to sacrifice everything for the team, Parker never was one of them. Like Lowe said, Pop felt that Manu's selflessness "might accept the bench role more readly than Parker".

Proceed to shit on Parker every time you mention him, but you use this quote to say "I ain't hating":nope:nope:nope

[J_Paco]

Why are you assuming that "a person you don't know" isn't insecure/doesn't have a fragile ego?...

He is a guy that was put through the ringer, cursed at and was the coach's "whipping boy" when he first arrived to the NBA, so I'm sure at 34 years old he can handle being benched. It has happened in the past and he handled it fine.

Plus, he is just old while becoming less and less productive, so it would stand to reason that he'd eventually move to the bench. Unless you are an all-time great (Kobe, O'Neal, Duncan, Garnett, Pippen, Nowitzki, etc.) you rarily get to age and continue to start.

[YGWHI]

Proceed to shit on Parker every time you mention him, but you use this quote to say "I ain't hating":nope:nope:nope

Like OP says every fan has a perception of a Spurs player. But "I ain't hatting on him", I critize him.

Hatting on a player it's about insulting him, being disrespectful toward him, wishing him the worst...I never posted about Parker in that way.

[ElNono]

How can anyone truly hate Matt Bonner? I've said many times, you wanna hate TP, Bonner, Manu coming off the bench, etc...it's all on Pop right? He's the decision maker imo. Duncan the foundation. We've won 5 (should have been 6-8) championships in San Antonio fucking Texas and all you bitches want to hate TP, Bonner, Manu, Drunk Coyote, Att Center fans, etc...? I love my team, spent countless hours and thousands of dollars watching them. But I hate this fucking fan Base. This is like the West Virginia of America...infer as you will

I hated Matt Bonner before hating Matt Bonner was cool. Let me have my schtick please, thx...

[YGWHI]

It has happened in the past and he handled it fine.
When he was too young like in 2003 or really injured like in 2014, I'm not sure how he would react now. However, I doutb he will be moved into a bench role in the next two seasons.

[dabom]

When he was too young like in 2003 or really injured like in 2014, I'm not sure how he would react now. However, I doutb he will be moved into a bench role in the next two seasons.

Unless he tells Pop. Or RC gets Pop a nice bottle of wine and doesn't give it to him until Pop agrees.

[jehawk81]

Like OP says every fan has a perception of a Spurs player. But "I ain't hatting on him", I critize him...

Ummmm... yeaaaaahhhhh:wakeup

[dabom]

Tony got a max extension after he was shit and everyone said it was a bad idea. :lmao

He was shit even back then. People almost forget just cause we rang.

[dabom]

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0.8
6.4
3.7
26.1
1.1
0.2
14.1
28.3

0.3
0.7
1.1
.071

0.0
-1.3
-1.2
0.1


2014-15 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2015/)
32
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2015.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html)
PG
7
210
6.5
.386
.099
.187
2.0
10.0
5.8
18.9
0.5
0.0
10.0
23.4

-0.4
0.1
-0.3
-0.067

-6.2
-0.3
-6.5
-0.2


2015-16 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2016/)
33
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016.html)
PG
10
264
14.3
.499
.163
.143
0.5
8.7
4.8
31.4
1.2
0.6
14.7
21.6

0.2
0.3
0.4
.079

0.7
-1.5
-0.9
0.1



BPM last 3 playoffs. That includes 2014. :lmao

DOG SHIT these past 3 playoffs. I'm done. :lmao

[dabom]

Will Pop bench Porker after a fourth consecutive playoff negative impact? :lol

[Spurtacular]

....toward Tony. I still think a lot of it is ridiculous or misplaced.

Haven't read the whole article, but the third paragraph explains why players like Irving (and by extention Parker) are disliked. Although, probably not at the irrational level like this place.

Players with offense-only reputations are always divisive, and the score-first point guard is a particularly distrusted basketball archetype, because of how their on-floor inclinations seem to run counter to the nature of the position. In real life, people who hoard things for themselves just seem off. In basketball, the point guard’s primary role is to share.
This is why Irving drives people insane.

Yea, that's why Jimmer gets so much hate.

[YGWHI]

Will Pop bench Parker after a fourth consecutive playoff negative impact? :lol

Most likely? No. He won't.

[J_Paco]

I see why the Kawhi Circle Jerk club has such high post counts. They literally repeat their schtick ad nasuem and have conversations (individually) by themselves.

Sad part is I agree with some of their viewpoints but they are so repetitve and annoying that it doesn't matter.

"Net negative, advanced stats says he sucks, Porker, fucking faggot, :lmao, and so on....."

Anyway, good night. And here I was thinking I could coax a legitimate conversation on the matter....

[YGWHI]

Anyway, good night. And here I was thinking I could coax a legitimate conversation on the matter....

You made a thread about Parker's hate, saying you finally understand the reason why people hate him...There is no way to discuss it without put Parker's performances in perspective.

But if you call everyone who posts about Parker's games and stats "fan boy" "Jerk Club", you don't really want to start a legitimate conversation, you only want that people agree with you on the matter.

[skulls138]

This is probably the truth, he was great, but age robbed him of his elite speed and stamina, and having lost that, the other parts of his game are not enough to keep him elite. But whatever, these Tony vs. the World threads are getting old (Manu, Mills, etc).

The best one can hope for is like ElNono said, that he has a good season in his adjusted role. I wish for the same for Manu TBH, who at 39 is approaching the same done level, despite all the Manu fanboys here being the banner bearers for the anti-Tony parade.

I am in the camp that rather hopes for the continued development and improvement of our youth, and that these two stay healthy. I know ppl like to pit them against each other, but they might be around the same at this point and should not be guys that need to be carrying the team. Both are paid a hefty sum, and will make us go bonkers at Pop when they are still overplayed, so whatever. It's best to hope they have a good season and enjoy the show.Im a glutton for punishment for participating in this thread but I have to give props to your sane posts.

[SAGirl]

There is a big difference between hate and criticism.

I've said before that I don't hate Parker. What I hate is Parker not being willing to accept a role, to adapt his game...

Also, I find it very stupid that people call me hater when I just post "he has been a Net negative player in the last two postseasons"

Unlike, most Parker stans in this thread who called Kawhi retarded at every chance, I never called Parker, Porker/choker/whatver

Tell me why I'm "hating on him."

I don't think you do, and I share your criticism about the guy. But I just don't feel the need to constantly harp on a player's flaws bc no single player is flawless, and frankly you didn't start this thread. I think you are expressing your opinion. To me, the hate crew is the group that has a pathological need to constantly berate the guy. If he's scoring, he's ballhogging, if he's passing, "what does he do?" since he is not a defensive pest, it's a legit question. I don't think a passive Tony helps the team wins games either, specially when the team also starts Danny Green who is not a guy you can ask to be aggressive, and you can't let other team's backcourts rest on defense regularly. If you do, they then have the fresh legs to kill the Spurs in the 4th Q. Games where Danny and Tony combined for paltry scoring were very difficult to win, and we might have lost quite a lot of those. Heck if Tony makes some of the open jumpers he got, the Spurs win the series. The team has a huge problem simply because Tony has declined and he can't do what he used to do, and they don't have anyone better at the moment to take that spot. It's a problem.

But I don't feel I need to be harping on this all the time. I prefer to spend my personal fandom energy following the growth of our young prospects, some of whom are playmakers and hoping for the best for them, bc it is more likely that one of these guys shows up and help, than it is to ask Tony to change.

[SAGirl]

Im a glutton for punishment for participating in this thread but I have to give props to your sane posts.

:flag:

[SAGirl]

Gregg Popovich is your answer, friend. He (stupidly) decide to play Tony over Corey Joseph and Patty Mills. Tony wasn't either good or heathly enough to play in that series, but Pop just keep trotting him out there.

The players have pride and aren't going to admit when they shouldn't play. The coach needs to be flexible enough to know when that time has come. Pop has in the past but for whatever reason was unwilling to make that needed move.

Tony got destroyed by Paul and the team lost with his piss poor play.

Props, that is the truth. :tu
Pop should be feeling some guilt over that, bc CoJo was balling all the way to the ECF for the Raptors the following season and actually bailed the Choketors of Derozen and Lowry at times. That one series is on Pop. Cojo should have gotten an opportunity.

[TheDoctor]

I wouldn't call them losers, per se. But their finals records, or lack thereof, tell us we've had the right point guard for our system. Parker has been a scorer when we've needed him to be, a passer when the team's needed him to be one, & the team leader (head of the snake) when that's been needed of him. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but nobody has been.

And the team's best penetrator at the time as Erin Barry can confirm.

[SASdynasty!]

Anyway, we shouldn't hate Parker because of he's aging bad. He can't do anything about it.

But we can criticize him because he isn't willing to accept a new role, to be a cog in the machine, sacrificing his high status in order to win.

There are players who are willing to sacrifice everything for the team, Parker never was one of them. Like Lowe said, Pop felt that Manu's selflessness "might accept the bench role more readly than Parker".
Double standard:

"Parker won't accept a new role"

2014: 16.7 / 5.7
2016: 11.9 / 5.3 (on reduced minutes)

2014 Playoffs: 17.4 / 4.8
2016 Playoffs: 10.4 / 5.3 (on reduced minutes)

"Parker doesn't put up the numbers he did in 2014"

----

So, which is it? He won't accept his new role or he doesn't put up the numbers he used to? Pick a side and be consistent.

He passes the ball just as much (on reduced minutes) and shoots much less. Isn't that what you guys were asking for?

Ok, give me the ideal stat-line for Parker. I just want it on record so when he hits it (or misses it) this season, we'll have a place with the recorded expectations. Or would it just be easier to criticize no matter what his stat line is?

10/6 on 50%?
8/5 on 50%?
6/4 on 50%?

What exactly are you wanting from him?

[Diego20]

Pass first point guards like Stockton, Kidd, and Nash are losing point guards.

Score first point guards are winners. Don't know why they have bad reputations, tbh. I guess it's a vanilla thing to do nowadays.

As for the Tony hate... It's only on Spurstalk :lol a place where Manuretard?s come to post shitty takes

Yeah, Iverson was a winner, he won many rings..

:lmao faggot

[Diego20]

I wouldn't call them losers, per se. But their finals records, or lack thereof, tell us we've had the right point guard for our system. Parker has been a scorer when we've needed him to be, a passer when the team's needed him to be one, & the team leader (head of the snake) when that's been needed of him. Sure he hasn't been perfect, but nobody has been.

When was that? I don't remember :lmao

[SASdynasty!]

You can't say this...when Parker's lack of court vision and passing skills make a 39 years old Manu our best playmaker.

Since he lost his speed he isn't the scorer he was, he isn't a true playmaker, nor a shooter, he can't adapt his game to his declining physical condition.

He can play good early in the regular season but he's aging bad and his game sucks in the playoffs, he can't compete against younger, faster, elite guards anymore.

And just for the record, put Nash along prime-Tim instead of Amar'e, and tell me how many rings that "loser" would have won.
Lol, Nash? You mean the guy who couldn't even get to the Finals playing with:

PHX - Kevin Johnson, Jason Kidd, & Michael Finley
DAL - Dirk Nowitski, Michael Finley, Tim Hardaway, & Nick Van Exel
PHX - Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Leandro Barbosa, Grant Hill, Shaquille O'Neal, Goran Dragic, Jason Richardson, Matt Barnes, & Vince Carter
LAL - Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, Metta World Peace, & Pau Gasol

The dude basically spent a career playing with the All-Star team and couldn't even get to the Finals once.

[Diego20]

:lmao at LVPorker and Kyrie "putting their team on their back." Last I checked, it was Duncan/Manu/Kawhi and LeBron doing the heavy lifting for those teams, not the chucking cancerous point guards.

Curry is the only scoring point guard since Magic and Isiah to ring as the first option. And his three-point shooting is a historical outlier. Even then, he's a playoff choke artist who had to be dragged to his only ring by Iguodala and David Lee against a bunch of injury-ravaged teams.

Pass-first point guards are losers, but so are score-first point guards. The bottom line is, in a league where height and length matter more than any other sport, building around a point guard is a bad idea. Any roster whose best player can be neutralized in the playoffs just by having a bigger player guard them is a poorly built roster.

And then there's the real losers like LVPorker and Choke Paul, who have never had first-option talent, don't have a clutch bone in their body, but have the ego of a first option and sabotage their teams because of it.

Another top poster here.. :wow

:toast

[SASdynasty!]

Brah. He can tell Pop to bench his ass at any time you stupid fuck. He didn't. He IS the sole reason for us losing these past 2 years. :lmao

You have a stupid fucking imagination of how shit works. :lmao
Parker is the sole reason? Hahaha

It wasn't that Ginobili shot worse than Parker in the Clippers series AND the Thunder series.

It wasn't that Duncan fell off a cliff against OKC and averaged 6/4 on 36% shooting.

It wasn't that Kawhi forgot how to shoot against OKC and shot 29% from 3.

It wasn't that Mills disappeared against OKC and averaged 4/2 for the series on bad shooting, haha wow!

It wasn't that the Spurs decided to play LMA/KawhISO ball and no one (except for Parker of course) even averaged 3 APG in the playoffs. That's insane.

It wasn't that Kawhi shot a combined 13/44 (.295) in games 5-7 of the Clippers series.

---

But keep telling yourself it's all on Parker.

[SASdynasty!]

we say all the time in our mods meeting "can't dabom just stop himself from shitty posting" but he never does. No fucking sports player is going to EVER ASK TOBe BENCHED YOU SHITHEAD
Hahaha makes me think the dude hasn't ever played competitive sports, tbh.

[Diego20]

Parker is the sole reason? Hahaha

It wasn't that Ginobili shot worse than Parker in the Clippers series AND the Thunder series.

It wasn't that Duncan fell off a cliff against OKC and averaged 6/4 on 36% shooting.

It wasn't that Kawhi forgot how to shoot against OKC and shot 29% from 3.

It wasn't that Mills disappeared against OKC and averaged 4/2 for the series on bad shooting, haha wow!

It wasn't that the Spurs decided to play LMA/KawhISO ball and no one (except for Parker of course) even averaged 3 APG in the playoffs. That's insane.

It wasn't that Kawhi shot a combined 13/44 (.295) in games 5-7 of the Clippers series.

---

But keep telling yourself it's all on Parker.

TP last two games of the 2013 finals, tell me.. what was his %FG?

:lol

[kaji157]

....toward Tony. I still think a lot of it is ridiculous or misplaced.

Haven't read the whole article, but the third paragraph explains why players like Irving (and by extention Parker) are disliked. Although, probably not at the irrational level like this place.



Full article here: https://theringer.com/cleveland-cavaliers-kyrie-irving-olympics-how-to-rate-7f3849043347#.wttqzeahc

Yeah, i agree with your point.

Also it didn´t help that he fucked a teammate wife, disappeared on the playoffs for his first 7 years here, and is the only one of the original Big 3 that doesn´t seem to buy on the concept of "Spurs culture".

[SASdynasty!]

TP last two games of the 2013 finals, tell me.. what was his %FG?

:lol
Here's an exercise for you...go find everyone else on the team that had 2 poor-shooting games in a row in the playoffs. I've already done it on multiple threads so really all you would have to do is find the work I've already done. Post it when you're finished so you can show yourself that everyone does it. Here's a starting place:

Kawhi Leonard games 1-2 of the 2014 Finals
Kawhi Leonard games 5-7 of the 2015 Clippers series

[SASdynasty!]

Yeah, i agree with your point.

Also it didn´t help that he fucked a teammate wife, disappeared on the playoffs for his first 7 years here, and is the only one of the original Big 3 that doesn´t seem to buy on the concept of "Spurs culture".
Tony Parker "disappearing" in the playoffs in his first 7 years:

2002-2008 Playoff Average: 18/5/3, including a FMVP

Get me a list of PGs who have that type of resume for their first 7 years. I'll wait.

[Diego20]

Here's an exercise for you...go find everyone else on the team that had 2 poor-shooting games in a row in the playoffs. I've already done it on multiple threads so really all you would have to do is find the work I've already done. Post it when you're finished so you can show yourself that everyone does it. Here's a starting place:

Kawhi Leonard games 1-2 of the 2014 Finals
Kawhi Leonard games 5-7 of the 2015 Clippers series

What was TP %FG last two games in 2013, I asked. Write it.

[SASdynasty!]

What was TP %FG last two games in 2013, I asked. Write it.
Tony Parker Games 6-7 2013 Finals:

15/6/3/1 on 25%

Now go post what I asked.

[Clipper Nation]

Give it up, faggot. Mario Chalmers and Chris "RuPaul" Bosh made Porker their bitch with the championship on the line. We all saw it, we all remember it.

[Clipper Nation]

^^ as good as LeKing is he isn't ringing if killa kyrie isn't asserting his will in the latter half of the finals outplaying the mulatto brothers.
Kyrie did play really well as the sidekick down the stretch of the Finals, and he deserves props for that. Still, LeBron was doing the carrying. He dropped 41 in Game 5, dropped 41 again in Game 6, then put up a triple-double on the road in Game 7 and sealed the championship with The Block and The Free Throw. He was unfuckwitable in those last three games at a level that no other player in NBA history has ever reached, considering the circumstances and the team around him.

Kyrie was a bust and a team cancer before LeBron returned to Cleveland. It's likely he would have stayed that way without the GOAT holding his hand and establishing a winning culture.


before manure intervened MVParker had wrapped up the a ring in 2013 for the spurs. his play in game 1, and clutch shots in 6 had the title before manure and kiwi choked of course.
:lol at Porker stans obsessing over Game 1 in a series you lost. Newsflash: the NBA playoffs are not single-elimination. Porker choked and disappeared when it mattered most. He let Chalmers outplay him in Games 6 and 7, he let Ray Allen take a steamy wet 6 all over him, and he let RuPaul Bosh revoke his man card with a devastating block in OT.


gotta respect the head of the snake :worthy:
The only word in that entire phrase that applies to Porker is "snake."

[look_at_g_shred]

Anyways. We can't keep relying on him and LMA to lead the team in scoring past the first round... Some role players gotta step up. Not sure we have one on the roster.
:lmao

[Spur-Addict]

Are so slow that you didn't read what I quoted? Last time I looked Parker and Irving are both PG's, so they can be compared.

Here you go:

The first premise is garbage, it starts with an absolute. Offense only players always being divisive. That's false. Reggie Miller was divisive? Ray Allen was divisive? Tracy McGrady was divisive? Dennis Scott was divisive? Allen Houston was divisive?

And as far as score-first point guards being a particularly distrusted archetype, that depends on their skill level relative to the rest of the team, and their ability to function within a winning culture. Tony Parker existed for years as the second or third option within a winning culture deferring to superior offensive players until it was his turn. Whereas Russell Westbrook could not defer adequately to a superior offensive player in Durant.

Both (Parker/Irving) are scoring PGs, but their talents differ. I'd even say that Irving is on an entirely different level at this age range, and projects to be the far better player lifetime. One is a far superior Iso player, whereas the other does most damage with the assistance of a pick and roll situation. One is a career abysmal shooter from 3, whereas the other routinely shoots between 35%-40% (aside from one year). One is an excellent FT shooter, the other took a while to arrive at good. One has to get into a particular range to be consistently effective, whereas the other can get the job done from anywhere. So while they have a similar label, they play differently, and one is in a different realm talent-wise.

Historically, the PG's primary role is ball distribution. In an ever evolving game, fans are starting to grasp with the reality that this is no longer a necessity. Especially, when the role is being provided for elsewhere in the lineup. And that's why I am of the opinion that all scoring point guards (or undersized SG's, which often are the same thing) need to be coupled with tall, lengthy, fairly defensive minded, ball distributive, court-stretching combo guard/SF's.

The primary aggravation with Parker is with his declining ability, and his skillset in this changed format in terms of offensive hierarchy. Evidenced by Patty's more natural fit as a pure shooter with the SL core offensive centerpieces, comparatively to Parker (Although he has improved his long distance shooting). Irving being a pure scorer is a necessity with Cleveland whether it was pre-Bron or with Bron. As is a obvious lack of pure scoring on that roster, especially in regards to shot creation outside of LBJ on an elite level. Love was downright laughable at times.

[SASdynasty!]

Give it up, faggot. Mario Chalmers and Chris "RuPaul" Bosh made Porker their bitch with the championship on the line. We all saw it, we all remember it.
Chalmers & Bosh "making Parker their bitch" =

2013 Finals:

Parker: 16/6/2 on 41%
Chalmers: 11/3/2 on 39%
Bosh: 12/9/2 on 46%

2014 Finals:

Parker: 18/5/0 on 48%
Chalmers: 4/3/1 on 33%
Bosh: 14/5/1 on 55%

You want to argue series or games? I'll take on the challenge for both. Or if you want to shift goalposts to argue every argument, go for it. I'll try to follow the goalposts.

[SASdynasty!]

The first premise is garbage, it starts with an absolute. Offense only players always being divisive. That's false. Reggie Miller was divisive? Ray Allen was divisive? Tracy McGrady was divisive? Dennis Scott was divisive? Allen Houston was divisive?

And as far as score-first point guards being a particularly distrusted archetype, that depends on their skill level relative to the rest of the team, and their ability to function within a winning culture. Tony Parker existed for years as the second or third option within a winning culture deferring to superior offensive players until it was his turn. Whereas Russell Westbrook could not defer adequately to a superior offensive player in Durant.

Both (Parker/Irving) are scoring PGs, but their talents differ. I'd even say that Irving is on an entirely different level at this age range, and projects to be the far better player lifetime. One is a far superior Iso player, whereas the other does most damage with the assistance of a pick and roll situation. One is a career abysmal shooter from 3, whereas the other routinely shoots between 35%-40% (aside from one year). One is an excellent FT shooter, the other took a while to arrive at good. One has to get into a particular range to be consistently effective, whereas the other can get the job done from anywhere. So while they have a similar label, they play differently, and one is in a different realm talent-wise.

Historically, the PG's primary role is ball distribution. In an ever evolving game, fans are starting to grasp with the reality that this is no longer a necessity. Especially, when the role is being provided for elsewhere in the lineup. And that's why I am of the opinion that all scoring point guards (or undersized SG's, which often are the same thing) need to be coupled with tall, lengthy, fairly defensive minded, ball distributive, court-stretching combo guard/SF's.

The primary aggravation with Parker is with his declining ability, and his skillset in this changed format in terms of offensive hierarchy. Evidenced by Patty's more natural fit as a pure shooter with the SL core offensive centerpieces, comparatively to Parker (Although he has improved his long distance shooting). Irving being a pure scorer is a necessity with Cleveland whether it was pre-Bron or with Bron. As is a obvious lack of pure scoring on that roster, especially in regards to shot creation outside of LBJ on an elite level. Love was downright laughable at times.
Hahaha Kyrie is garbage. He literally couldn't lead his team to 35 wins in the Eastern Conference.

2012: 21-45
2013: 24-58
2014: 33-49

Dude is a chucker who shoots 45% and doesn't pass a whole lot either. The dude has never even led his team in assists in a single playoff series.

[Spur-Addict]

Hahaha Kyrie is garbage. He literally couldn't lead his team to 35 wins in the Eastern Conference.

2012: 21-45
2013: 24-58
2014: 33-49

Dude is a chucker who shoots 45% and doesn't pass a whole lot either. The dude has never even led his team in assists in a single playoff series.

If you think that a 19-21 year old Parker could've, then someone must've spiked your coffee.

[TheGreatYacht]

this tbh. besides kidd in 2011 how often are pass first guards winning anything? rondo doesn't count he was in diapers on that boston team which the big 3 carried. The entire modern history of this league the last 25 years has been aggressive score first guards putting their team on their back like tony and kyrie. they are the winners in june while the pass first guards which white people obsess over like chris paul and nash and rondo all in their primes go home ringless.
One of the best posts I've ever read on here oml :wow

[TheGreatYacht]

before manure intervened MVParker had wrapped up the a ring in 2013 for the spurs. his play in game 1, and clutch shots in 6 had the title before manure and kiwi choked of course. gotta respect the head of the snake :worthy:
Who gave this man the nuke codes? :wow

[TheGreatYacht]

:bang:bang:bang:bang

Your comment runs in direct contrast to the facts and actual situation. Inaccurate statements like that are exactly why no one takes y'all Kawhi fanboys serious.

Keyword is that Manu might have accepted more readily, not that Tony would be completely against the idea. He did come off the bench during George Hill's last season in San Antonio, after all.

might: used in auxiliary function to express permission, liberty, probability, possibility in the past
Nothing but fax here, folks :bobo

[TheGreatYacht]

"Minor part" =

2014 Spurs All-Stars: Tony Parker
2014 Spurs All-NBA: Tony Parker
2014 RS Leading Scorer: Tony Parker
2014 RS Leading Assists: Tony Parker
2014 Playoffs Leading Scorer: Tony Parker
2014 Playoffs Leading Assists: Tony Parker
2014 Finals Leading Scorer: Tony Parker
2014 Elimination Game Best Player: Tony Parker

"Minor part" lol.
SASdynasty regulating scrubs, per par

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao
Glad someone appreciated that hidden gem :bobo

[SuperCam]

Hahaha Kyrie is garbage. He literally couldn't lead his team to 35 wins in the Eastern Conference.

2012: 21-45
2013: 24-58
2014: 33-49

Dude is a chucker who shoots 45% and doesn't pass a whole lot either. The dude has never even led his team in assists in a single playoff series.
Killa kyrie was put on one of the worst run rosters in sports on a team that just set the record for most consecutive losses. even LeKing didn't get that sorry ass organization to the playoffs for first two years. h

drafting dion waters :lol

drafting tony bennet :lol


Killa Kyrie coming into his prime like MVParker began to at the same age.

If not for manure fagging it up in 06 and 13, Tony would have 6 rings. :bang

[TheGreatYacht]

Killa kyrie was put on one of the worst run rosters in sports on a team that just set the record for most consecutive losses. even LeKing didn't get that sorry ass organization to the playoffs for first two years. h

drafting dion waters :lol

drafting tony bennet :lol


Killa Kyrie coming into his prime like MVParker began to at the same age.

If not for manure fagging it up in 06 and 13, Tony would have 6 rings. :bang

[illusioNtEk]

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z357/GYR0MEISTER/TonyParkerNBA2K.jpg

[dabom]

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z357/GYR0MEISTER/TonyParkerNBA2K.jpg

That's a negative 83 right? :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Killa kyrie was put on one of the worst run rosters in sports on a team that just set the record for most consecutive losses. even LeKing didn't get that sorry ass organization to the playoffs for first two years. h

drafting dion waters :lol

drafting tony bennet :lol


Killa Kyrie coming into his prime like MVParker began to at the same age.

If not for manure fagging it up in 06 and 13, Tony would have 6 rings. :bang
Team Killa Kyrie did nothing to improve the Cavs despite being crowned their franchise player the moment he arrived. He played zero defense, made nobody better, routinely threw his teammates under the bus to the media without accepting any blame, and was a whiny bitch in general. He was a major contributor to the dysfunction.

[rastaspur]

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z357/GYR0MEISTER/TonyParkerNBA2K.jpg

That is extremely generous.

[Clipper Nation]

That is extremely generous.

Yeah, he's way fatter than that.

[Kikoluna]

When I read the title I was really hoping this was about Kyle 13 minute mile Anderson