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Extra Stout
10-05-2005, 08:26 AM
Naturally, this takes the cake for Idiot Cracker Monkey Moment of the Day. (http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2005/10/3/223530/406)

Read the pdf here. (http://www.in.gov/legislative/interim/committee/prelim/HFCO04.pdf)

By Laura McPhee


Republican lawmakers are drafting new legislation that will make
marriage a requirement for motherhood in the state of Indiana,
including specific criminal penalties for unmarried women who do
become pregnant "by means other than sexual intercourse."

According to a draft of the recommended change in state law, every
woman in Indiana seeking to become a mother throu gh assisted
reproduction therapy such as in vitro fertilization, sperm donation,
and egg donation, must first file for a "petition for parentage" in
their local county probate court.

Only women who are married will be considered for the "gestational
certificate" that must be presented to any doctor who facilitates the
pregnancy. Further, the "gestational certificate" will only be given
to married couples that successfully complete the same screening
process currently required by law of adoptive parents.

As it the draft of the new law reads now, an intended parent "who
knowingly or willingly participates in an artificial reproduction
procedure" without court approval, "commits unauthorized
reproduction, a Class B misdemeanor." The criminal charges will be
the same for physicians who commit "unauthorized practice of
artificial reproduction."

The change in Indiana law to require marriage as a condition for
motherhood and criminalizing "unauthorized reproduction" was
introduced at a summer meeting of the Indiana General Assembly's
Health Finance Commission on September 29 and a final version of the
bill will come up for a vote at the next meeting at the end of this
month.

Republican Senator Patricia Miller is both the Health Finance
Commission Chair and the sponsor of the bill. She believes the new
law will protect children in the state of Indiana and make parenting
laws more explicit.

According to Sen. Miller, the laws prohibiting surrogacy in the
state of Indiana are currently too vague and unenforceable, and that
is the purpose of the new legislation.

"But it's not just surrogacy," Miller told NUVO. " The law is vague
on all types of extraordinary types of infertility treatment, and we
wanted to address that as well."

"Ordinary treatment would be the mother's egg and the father's
sperm. But now there are a lot of extraordinary thing s that raise
issues of who has legal rights as parents," she explained when asked
what she considers "extraordinary" infertility treatment.

Sen. Miller believes the requirement of marriage for parenting is
for the benefit of the children that result from infertility
treatments.

"We did want to address the issue of whether or not the law should
allow single people to be parents. Studies have shown that a child
raised by both parents - a mother and a father - do better. So, we
do want to have laws that protect the children," she explained.

When asked specifically if she believes marriage should be a
requirement for motherhood, and if that is part of the bill's
intention, Sen. Miller responded, "Yes. Yes, I do."

A draft of the legislation is available on the Health Finance
Commission website

http://www.in.gov/legislative/interim/committee/prelim/HFCO04.pdf

The next meeting of the Health Finance Commission will be held a t
the Statehouse on October 20, 2005 at 10 am in Senate Chambers and
is open to the public.

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 08:45 AM
That's ridiculous. I actually know a couple of woman whose clocks are ticking hard and fast with no marriage proposals in sight, and desperately want to have a baby. They are very successful women, too....and have been considering this method.

boutons
10-05-2005, 08:47 AM
Lenin would be pleased at the totalitarianism, of state control over private lives and sexual organs according to party principles.

George Orwell would be gleeful.

The Repubs are truly Repugs.

America, The Beautiful.
God spread his nut-cases on thee
And crown thy good with state-licensed motherhood

Let it continue, the backlash will be brutal.

Mme LaFarge is knitting names.

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 08:54 AM
The Repubs are truly Repugs.



Wrong. Don't generalize an entire group based on the actions of the extreme right. Like I try not to do with the Left. Most Republicans that I know, including myself, are far more moderate and do believe things like this are ridiculous.

boutons
10-05-2005, 09:40 AM
"Most Republicans that I know, including myself, are far more moderate and do believe things like this are ridiculous."

We'll see how this echoes around the Repubs in the next few days.

Will moderate Repubs stand up and denounce it, or will they sit on their fat, Limbaugh-sized asses, idling smugly in their mega-SUVs and continue to let the Repub party be dominated by the hard-right, red-state hicks, evangelicals who are profoundly, rabidly anti-freedom and anti-rational, and whose demagoguery rouses the rabble as thoroughly as Chavez in Venezuela.

Extra Stout
10-05-2005, 09:52 AM
Wrong. Don't generalize an entire group based on the actions of the extreme right. Like I try not to do with the Left. Most Republicans that I know, including myself, are far more moderate and do believe things like this are ridiculous.

This isn't the actions of the "extreme right." This is the legislature of the state of Indiana. These wackos have infiltrated the mainstream Republican party and are pushing real-life actual theocratic legislation.

It's nearing time to pull out the long knives against the Christian Taliban in this country.

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 10:15 AM
This isn't the actions of the "extreme right." This is the legislature of the state of Indiana. These wackos have infiltrated the mainstream Republican party and are pushing real-life actual theocratic legislation.


Sounds like the extreme right has taken over Indiana, then. That's almost too far-out there to be real.



Will moderate Repubs stand up and denounce it, or will they sit on their fat, Limbaugh-sized asses, idling smugly in their mega-SUVs


My ass, while generous, is not as big as Limbaugh's ... and I wouldn't classify him as moderate, either. I also don't drive an SUV...as a matter of fact I don't like them at all. Thanks for that insightful reply, though. :rolleyes

scott
10-05-2005, 10:47 AM
My ass, while generous

Sporn-Frau has just given birth to an excellent descriptor. I shall now refer to all nice looking asses as "generous."

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 10:48 AM
:lol :lol :lol

Spam
10-05-2005, 11:25 AM
That's ridiculous. I actually know a couple of woman whose clocks are ticking hard and fast with no marriage proposals in sight, and desperately want to have a baby. They are very successful women, too....and have been considering this method.

sinners.

FromWayDowntown
10-05-2005, 12:25 PM
George Orwell would be gleeful.

Uh, Orwell had great distaste for the idea of a totalitarian State.

1984 and Animal Farm aren't odes to the wonders of dictatorships and authoritarianism; they're quite ironic to the extent that they portray any value to those sorts of governments.

Orwell wrote Animal Farm, essentially, to prove that embracing what he called "the Soviet myth" was not the way the English should go. 1984 built from Animal Farm and further developed the theme by pointing out the many horrors that can come from a totalitarian state, including governmental control of what is portrayed as the objective truth.

If anything, Orwell might be shaking his head and wondering why nobody was listening to him.

MaNuMaNiAc
10-05-2005, 12:37 PM
Uh, Orwell had great distaste for the idea of a totalitarian State.

1984 and Animal Farm aren't odes to the wonders of dictatorships and authoritarianism; they're quite ironic to the extent that they portray any value to those sorts of governments.

Orwell wrote Animal Farm, essentially, to prove that embracing what he called "the Soviet myth" was not the way the English should go. 1984 built from Animal Farm and further developed the theme by pointing out the many horrors that can come from a totalitarian state, including governmental control of what is portrayed as the objective truth.

If anything, Orwell might be shaking his head and wondering why nobody was listening to him.
I was just going to say that! lol

Murphy
10-05-2005, 01:00 PM
Indiana Republicans kick ass

boutons
10-05-2005, 01:18 PM
"Orwell had great distaste for the idea of a totalitarian State. "

I know. "gleeful" in recognizing the nightmare-made-real that he despised and wrote against.

FromWayDowntown
10-05-2005, 01:27 PM
"Orwell had great distaste for the idea of a totalitarian State. "

I know. "gleeful" in recognizing the nightmare-made-real that he despised and wrote against.

Sure, in the sense that anyone would be gleeful to see his nightmares come true.

I know I wake up every morning hoping that each day will be the day my nightmares come true so I can be filled with the giddiness of that realization.

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 01:32 PM
I know I'm always gleeful when my nightmares come true.














That's pretty freaky...I didn't even read your post, FWD. :wow :lol


Of course, now that I think about it...that response makes sense considering the source. He'd feel justified running around bitter and self-righteous telling everyone "I told you so."

:fro

FromWayDowntown
10-05-2005, 01:39 PM
That's pretty freaky...I didn't even read your post, FWD. :wow :lol

I guess great minds respond to absurdity in the same smart-assed way!!

:D

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 01:41 PM
I was in the middle of a response and got distracted for a minute....trying to figure out if I had just read that wrong....or......what? :wtf :lol

Marcus Bryant
10-05-2005, 01:43 PM
"Most Republicans that I know, including myself, are far more moderate and do believe things like this are ridiculous."

We'll see how this echoes around the Repubs in the next few days.

Will moderate Repubs stand up and denounce it, or will they sit on their fat, Limbaugh-sized asses, idling smugly in their mega-SUVs and continue to let the Repub party be dominated by the hard-right, red-state hicks, evangelicals who are profoundly, rabidly anti-freedom and anti-rational, and whose demagoguery rouses the rabble as thoroughly as Chavez in Venezuela.

Oh, the irony.

For sheer entertainment value, I do hope you continue to post.

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 01:45 PM
Oh, the irony.

For sheer entertainment value, I do hope you continue to post.



I love irony. Although I have to admit, that love has faced great challenges. :lol :lol

JoeChalupa
10-05-2005, 01:47 PM
I hate ironing.

MannyIsGod
10-05-2005, 02:15 PM
Of course, now that I think about it...that response makes sense considering the source. He'd feel justified running around bitter and self-righteous telling everyone "I told you so."

:fro
Thats about as truthful a statement as I've ever read.

ChumpDumper
10-05-2005, 03:36 PM
That's ridiculous. I actually know a couple of woman whose clocks are ticking hard and fast with no marriage proposals in sight, and desperately want to have a baby. They are very successful women, too....and have been considering this method.If they're not too picky, you could direct them to The Club....

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 03:41 PM
If they're not too picky, you could direct them to The Club....


My boss walked by right when I read that ... I'm probably going to get *internet-checked* now, thanks.


:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Dos
10-05-2005, 04:20 PM
I wonder why the national media isn't making any noise on this...?

Dos
10-05-2005, 04:31 PM
unfortunetly I can't even find the Indiana Health Finance Commission website....?

someone anyone.. not even the left wing site where this story is coming from has a
link to it..

FromWayDowntown
10-05-2005, 06:13 PM
unfortunetly I can't even find the Indiana Health Finance Commission website....?

someone anyone.. not even the left wing site where this story is coming from has a
link to it..

Indiana Health Finance Commission Website (http://www.in.gov/legislative/interim/committee/hfco.html)

exstatic
10-05-2005, 06:50 PM
...and they say they're not trying to control women's bodies and reproductive rights. :rolleyes

SpursWoman
10-05-2005, 07:23 PM
Further, the "gestational certificate" will only be given
to married couples that successfully complete the same screening
process currently required by law of adoptive parents.

This part is what really gets me. Every fuck-up crack whore on the planet can get pregnant screwing for a fix, but an *average* woman has to go through all of this? And that's for married woman.

I swear I've been looking for The Onion link, this is so stupid. :fro