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KobeOwnsDuncan
08-18-2016, 08:35 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/timely-hero-ball-brought-a-championship-to-the-cleveland-cavaliers/

The NBA is no longer defined by a test of wills where machismo and brawn decide the games, but a feeling that strategy and team play are always going to be more important than mano y mano competition.
Defensive strategies and schemes have become far more sophisticated under new league rules. Because of everything you can do with loading up the strong side to take away good isolation possessions or have the weak side ready to pounce at the drop of a headband, the idea of "Hero Ball" has become a fool's possession, especially in big moments.

The Golden State Warriors are the standard for the new NBA, yet the defending champs weren't able to execute their read-and-react motion offense to win a second title. Their offense was stifled, smothered and turned into inconsistency during the NBA Finals. The Cleveland Cavaliers proved that while the Warriors' system is beautiful and hard to deny, it's possible if you commit to the ball denial off the ball and intense effort on the ball to ruin the offensive rhythm.

Instead, it was the Cavs, often chastised for not playing enough team basketball or having the right team chemistry, who were able to come through playing what was supposed to be a style of basketball no longer capable of yielding efficient enough results for ultimate victory. Despite LeBron James' brilliance in directing the team, the Cavs were lacking the cohesiveness you'd find when championship teams get pushed to the point of no margin for error. Kevin Love wasn't producing. J.R. Smith wasn't trustworthy. Kyrie Irving wasn't enough of a team guy.

In the postseason, only the Memphis Grizzlies (in their four painful games) ran a higher percentage of isolation sets than the Cavs did. When combining the regular season with the postseason, only the Clippers, Lakers, Knicks, and Rockets ran a higher frequency of isolation possessions than the Cavs, and three of those teams were never taken seriously as championship contenders this season. The other team was the Clippers, who have often been viewed as flawed in their approach.
To peg Cleveland as just an isolation team would be unfair. They adopted a level of team basketball that became the standard of excellence in the Eastern Conference, even if it wasn't supposed to translate against the elite of the West. In the postseason, they became a 3-point shooting supernova. Heading into the Finals, they were on pace to have the most prolific 3-point shooting postseason in NBA history, both in volume of 3-pointers made and accuracy.
Against the Warriors, they didn't abandon the 3-point shot, but it no longer became a viable option for leading their offense. They went from shooting 43.4 percent (on 33 attempts per game) against the East in the playoffs to shooting 32.9 percent (on 24 attempts per game) against the Warriors in the Finals. It was a dramatic drop-off against one of the best defenses in the NBA against the deep ball. Instead of continuing to try to chuck and move the ball around against one of the top defenses in the NBA, they looked to exploit specific match-ups in a more isolation heavy attack.


Sometimes it worked. Sometimes it made them look like they didn't know what they were doing. The Cavs dropped from 42 potential assists per game in the first three rounds of the playoffs to just 31 potential assists per game in the Finals. Hero mode was activated and that was almost a laughable style of play to employ on the brightest of stages.

While we saw battles of arrogance dancing through the minds of the Cavaliers, they saw calculated risks. They saw an adaptability to the situation that could damage what the Warriors were trying to do. The Warriors had to be concerned about help whenever Irving or James were isolating against their matchups, even if their matchup was an incredible individual defender. With today's rules and lack of hand-checking, even the best one-on-one defenders are going to get cooked on the court in isolation. You have to bring help over.

When you bring help over against the Cavs, it leaves Tristan Thompson or James or Love (in Game 7) to keep the offensive boards alive. It kept possessions going. It kept scoring opportunities possible. And the Cavs were great at exploiting those situations. They didn't overwhelm the Warriors with it, but they capitalized in key moments.

In the fourth quarter of Game 5, we saw James and Irving put a relatively close contest away with Hero Ball. In the fourth quarter of Game 7, the Cavs tried to exploit these isolation match-ups by forcing switches they knew the Warriors were willing to make. If the Warriors thought everybody on their team could defend any situation, the Cavs were going to make them prove it.

James got a switch to put Festus Ezeli on him and drew a foul on a 3-point shot down four points. He hit all three free throws. On the next possession, James forced the same switch and rose up for a 3-pointer over Ezeli in a quick battle of isolation excellence. Ezeli didn't foul but James didn't miss. Defending the best player in the series with a backup center didn't get the job done.

Then with less than a minute to go and a tie game, Irving forced a switch to get Stephen Curry defending him. He gave him a couple of halfhearted dribble moves before side-stepping and firing up a 3-pointer in the unanimous MVP's face. It was Hero Ball in every way. Just like his big brother figure James was doing to carry Cleveland to a title. Just like Kyrie was so often chided for doing instead of making another pass. Just like we've been railing against for years as we try to unlock the secrets of the game.
Ironically, for years James has been measured against future Hall of Famer Kobe Bryant. And in the year, Bryant retired from his historic NBA career, it was James and his team ending the historic 73-win season after being down 3-1 in the series with the greatest comeback in NBA Finals history. It was done with the same style and sensibilities that left James open to criticisms about his way of leading a team through attempted acts of heroics, rather than trying to make the right play. James has often been on the other end of that spectrum, being chastised for passing too much and not taking on the biggest chance of glory.
Bryant's level of clutch that James had statistically bested but never had the folklore to live up to finally could be seen in LeBron demolishing the ultimate team with three unreal performances as his team's backs were against the wall. He did it by marrying the perfect balance between getting others involved and showing he was the best scorer on the floor.

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It wasn't an attack on the sensibilities of a quality offense. It was adapting to the situation at hand and recognizing where your team best fit in paradigm of what a successful offense could be. Hero Ball doesn't work for everybody because it's hard. Even with today's rules, it's hard to pull off enough quality shots to find yourself in the win column. But when your supreme talent and skill set benefit these series of mini match-ups, not utilizing this tactic while also disrupting the ideal offense on the other end turns it into a fascinating juxtaposition of what we think we know about offense.
Hero Ball doesn't always work, but it works when you have heroes. The 2016 NBA champs have heroes.

lefty

KobeOwnsDuncan
08-18-2016, 08:36 PM
:lol today's NBA
:lol 73 wins

Molotov
08-18-2016, 09:03 PM
:lol Today's NBA.

KobeOwnsDuncan
08-18-2016, 09:05 PM
Harlem and CN getting teabagged and truthnuked.

lefty
08-18-2016, 10:32 PM
Harlem and CN getting teabagged and truthnuked.

:lol today's NBA

Clipper Nation
HarlemHeat37

Spurtacular
08-19-2016, 09:57 AM
I don't think the Cavs won it as much as the Warriors lost it, tbh. Total choke job.

ambchang
08-19-2016, 11:06 AM
So the last paragraph is basically saying Lebron is a better hero baller than Kobe if the situation calls for it.
:lol can't even beat Lebron in the one thing you are known for and Lebron was known not to be.

Killakobe81
08-19-2016, 11:27 AM
So the last paragraph is basically saying Lebron is a better hero baller than Kobe if the situation calls for it.
:lol can't even beat Lebron in the one thing you are known for and Lebron was known not to be.

Of course Kobe as always ...
LeBron did whatever it took to win.
And his block was as big as any heroballing he needed.
Point of the article is cavs won playing a so called antiquated style ...state lost playing the right way.
Moral is twofold.
It pays to have the best player in the world ...
And you play to win even if its iso heavy heroball

ambchang
08-19-2016, 12:32 PM
Of course Kobe as always ...
LeBron did whatever it took to win.
And his block was as big as any heroballing he needed.
Point of the article is cavs won playing a so called antiquated style ...state lost playing the right way.
Moral is twofold.
It pays to have the best player in the world ...
And you play to win even if its iso heavy heroball

Sort of true, but heroball didn't save Lebron last year or the year before.

Quite impressive he's been to 5 straight finals and winning 2 though.

Joseph Kony
08-19-2016, 12:47 PM
Hero ball didn't work at all in 2015, or in 2014, or especially in 2004 :lol

chunticakes
08-19-2016, 04:12 PM
:lol today's heroball

AlexJones
08-19-2016, 06:16 PM
No, hero ball doesn't work most of the time. Period. It took a damn near miracle for LBJ and company to pull it off. Not calling it a fluke, but I mean, they were like 14 to 1 underdogs after game 4.

And of course there's people (basically stupid idiots, e.g. Pelicans78) who suddenly think hero-ball is the answer based on this one little sample.

Big Boss
08-19-2016, 06:33 PM
No, hero ball doesn't work most of the time. Period. It took a damn near miracle for LBJ and company to pull it off. Not calling it a fluke, but I mean, they were like 14 to 1 underdogs after game 4.

And of course there's people (basically stupid idiots, e.g. Pelicans78 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15164)) who suddenly think hero-ball is the answer based on this one little sample.

Im just curious, which instances would you classify as an example of heroball not working?

AlexJones
08-19-2016, 06:37 PM
Im just curious, which instances would you classify as an example of heroball not working?
Iverson's entire career
Kobe 03-07 (he really wasn't a heroballer in any of his title runs.. was quite an efficient team player in 2009 in fact)
Tracy for a lot of years
OKC's entire run was just shared heroballing between Russ and KD

Mark Celibate
08-19-2016, 07:15 PM
OP confused hero ball with monkey ball imho. They're two distinct terms, in short, it's the assistance from refs that makes the essential difference. If you carry a team to the win without much help from the refs it's legitimately called hero ball. If you were already on the brink of losing the series against a clearly better team, and the only way for you to save your bald ass was through the league's office and thuggish style of play on the court, you're probably not qualified for the term hero ball.

spursreport
08-19-2016, 10:42 PM
The Warriors best player is a fucking point guard, and they were playing a healthy Cavs team this time around. The law of averages kicked in. Steph Curry as a #1 option failed both years. A Kyrie Irving injury last season and Iggy being the alpha made last years fluke title happen. Call it what you want, but building your team around a pg won't result in a ring unless fluky bs happens like injuries to the opposition.

Spurtacular
08-20-2016, 01:56 AM
OP confused hero ball with monkey ball imho. They're two distinct terms, in short, it's the assistance from refs that makes the essential difference. If you carry a team to the win without much help from the refs it's legitimately called hero ball. If you were already on the brink of losing the series against a clearly better team, and the only way for you to save your bald ass was through the league's office and thuggish style of play on the court, you're probably not qualified for the term hero ball.

Spurtacular
08-20-2016, 01:57 AM
OP confused hero ball with monkey ball imho. They're two distinct terms, in short, it's the assistance from refs that makes the essential difference. If you carry a team to the win without much help from the refs it's legitimately called hero ball. If you were already on the brink of losing the series against a clearly better team, and the only way for you to save your bald ass was through the league's office and thuggish style of play on the court, you're probably not qualified for the term hero ball.


The Warriors best player is a fucking point guard, and they were playing a healthy Cavs team this time around. The law of averages kicked in. Steph Curry as a #1 option failed both years. A Kyrie Irving injury last season and Iggy being the alpha made last years fluke title happen. Call it what you want, but building your team around a pg won't result in a ring unless fluky bs happens like injuries to the opposition.

Thread
08-20-2016, 03:14 AM
The Warriors best player is a fucking point guard, and they were playing a healthy Cavs team this time around. The law of averages kicked in. Steph Curry as a #1 option failed both years. A Kyrie Irving injury last season and Iggy being the alpha made last years fluke title happen. Call it what you want, but building your team around a pg won't result in a ring unless fluky bs happens like injuries to the opposition.

State rangPERIOD

+ only pussies & assholes blame injuries.

Pelicans78
08-20-2016, 06:44 AM
No, hero ball doesn't work most of the time. Period. It took a damn near miracle for LBJ and company to pull it off. Not calling it a fluke, but I mean, they were like 14 to 1 underdogs after game 4.

And of course there's people (basically stupid idiots, e.g. Pelicans78 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15164)) who suddenly think hero-ball is the answer based on this one little sample.

Still obsessed with me. And Tigers get their asses kicked again.

Killakobe81
08-20-2016, 08:02 AM
State rangPERIOD

+ only pussies & assholes blame injuries.

This.

dbestpro
08-21-2016, 09:33 AM
Bird, Isiah Thomas, Jordan, Bryant, Ginobili, Parker, James, Drexler, and Magic, all played hero ball. It's been the name of the game since the early 80s.

KobeOwnsDuncan
08-21-2016, 09:49 AM
Bird, Isiah Thomas, Jordan, Bryant, Ginobili, Parker, James, Drexler, and Magic, all played hero ball. It's been the name of the game since the early 80s.
Exactly.

tbdog
08-21-2016, 09:28 PM
I don't think the Cavs won it as much as the Warriors lost it, tbh. Total choke job.

Those performances by Lebron and Irving though. You got to just tip your hat off to them.

Spurtacular
08-22-2016, 12:28 AM
Those performances by Lebron and Irving though. You got to just tip your hat off to them.

Game plan was to let Lebron get his. Irving went above the mean. I think it easily could've went the other way. Plus, like I say, Dubs choked. Losing two of three at home to that team?

TDMVPDPOY
08-22-2016, 06:29 AM
man irving sure is getting alot of credit for all his achieve at age 24, but he led the cavs to bullshit when he was the main guy...

dont u hate it when scrubs get promoted to franchise players, lakerfans should know what im talking about

JoeTait75
08-22-2016, 07:53 AM
man irving sure is getting alot of credit for all his achieve at age 24, but he led the cavs to bullshit when he was the main guy...

dont u hate it when scrubs get promoted to franchise players, lakerfans should know what im talking about

It would have taken an all-time great, a guy on the level of LeBron or Duncan, to elevate those Cavaliers teams to anything other than what they were. Kyrie has his flaws as a player, but it's a lot to ask of a 6'3" point guard that played eleven college games to come into the league at 19 and carry one of the worst teams in the NBA on his back. He just isn't at that level, but not many guys are.

Killakobe81
08-22-2016, 08:55 AM
It would have taken an all-time great, a guy on the level of LeBron or Duncan, to elevate those Cavaliers teams to anything other than what they were. Kyrie has his flaws as a player, but it's a lot to ask of a 6'3" point guard that played eleven college games to come into the league at 19 and carry one of the worst teams in the NBA on his back. He just isn't at that level, but not many guys are.

This niccas here are stupid. He has his flaws but he has the nicest handle in the game and when his shot is on not sure even kiwi can stop him despite his lack of height. He also hit one of the biggest shots in nba history he is far from a scrub ...

DMC
08-22-2016, 09:04 AM
Through all that, and Kobe still couldn't make the playoffs in the past 4 years... even in Today's NBA.

DMC
08-22-2016, 09:05 AM
State rangPERIOD

+ only pussies & assholes blame injuries.
Says the asshole who qualifies our 5th.

Tully365
08-22-2016, 09:19 AM
To me, Hero Ball implies someone over-dominating the ball, having a higher usage percentage than is necessary, and playing selfishly-- LeBron isn't guilty of this. The Cavs were playing a much deeper team and LeBron as playmaker & scorer was their best match up. Putting the ball in LeBron's hands nearly every play was simply the smartest move the Cavs-- as a team-- could make. If they'd had more depth, I could see ball movement being more important, but they didn't. The Warriors actually would have preferred more shots from Channing Frye, Richard Jefferson, and Iman Shumpert. Plus, also leading all players in assists, blocks, steals, and rebounds shows LeBron was willing to do anything & everything to win. To me, it wasn't Hero Ball as much as it was the best player on the court going all out to win, and doing it with dominating versatility and a high BB IQ.

Thread
08-22-2016, 11:17 AM
Says the asshole who qualifies our 5th.

So you won your 5th ring twice.

Clipper Nation
08-22-2016, 11:33 AM
So you won your 5th ring twice.
Could be worse. Duncan could have needed three tries to win his 4th.

Thread
08-22-2016, 11:46 AM
Could be worse. Duncan could have needed three tries to win his 4th.

Nothing is worse than '13, sweetheart.

They were selling your shit.

lefty
08-22-2016, 12:10 PM
Bird, Isiah Thomas, Jordan, Bryant, Ginobili, Parker, James, Drexler, and Magic, all played hero ball. It's been the name of the game since the early 80s.

Dis.

DMC
08-22-2016, 05:04 PM
So you won your 5th ring twice.
Better than having your 2nd child twice.

DMC
08-22-2016, 05:06 PM
Nothing is worse than '13, sweetheart.

They were selling your shit.
I'm sure Vanessa thinks 2004 was pretty fucking bad.

Kobe, loses to Chauncey Billups. Loses Shaq, indicted for rape, loses his 2nd child.

Tim. Bronze medal

Yeah I can see the shame in the medal.

Thread
08-22-2016, 06:40 PM
I'm sure Vanessa thinks 2004 was pretty fucking bad.

Kobe, loses to Chauncey Billups. Loses Shaq, indicted for rape, loses his 2nd child.

Tim. Bronze medal

Yeah I can see the shame in the medal.

They were selling your shit.

DMC
08-22-2016, 08:05 PM
They were selling your shit.
Who cares?

Thread
08-22-2016, 08:12 PM
Who cares?

I do.

Molotov
08-22-2016, 08:36 PM
I do.


Then you must really care that Kobe's parents were actually selling his shit..:lmao

TDMVPDPOY
08-22-2016, 08:57 PM
Then you must really care that Kobe's parents were actually selling his shit..:lmao

he did line up to buy his shit?

Thread
08-22-2016, 09:47 PM
Then you must really care that Kobe's parents were actually selling his shit..:lmao

They were selling your shit.

Thread
08-22-2016, 09:48 PM
he did line up to buy his shit?

They were selling your shit.

Spurtacular
08-22-2016, 11:28 PM
They were selling your shit.

You do this sh** in every thread......

DMC
08-23-2016, 12:12 AM
I do.

Exactly.

Thread
08-23-2016, 12:33 AM
You do this sh** in every thread......

Absolutely.

Spurtacular
08-23-2016, 01:03 AM
Absolutely.

Cos you're gay.

Thread
08-23-2016, 03:13 AM
Cos you're gay.

They were selling your shit.

Spurtacular
08-23-2016, 08:16 AM
They were selling your shit.

Aspergers

Thread
08-23-2016, 08:17 AM
Aspergers

They were selling your shit.

SquawkinHawkBigCock
08-23-2016, 04:28 PM
They were selling your shit.
“Our relationship is shit,” Bryant tells ESPN writer Ramona Shelburne. “I say [to them], ‘I’m going to buy you a very nice home, and the response is ‘That’s not good enough’?” he says. “Then you’re selling my shit?”

Thread
08-23-2016, 04:33 PM
“Our relationship is shit,” Bryant tells ESPN writer Ramona Shelburne. “I say [to them], ‘I’m going to buy you a very nice home, and the response is ‘That’s not good enough’?” he says. “Then you’re selling my shit?”

They were selling your shit.

SquawkinHawkBigCock
08-23-2016, 04:38 PM
They were selling your shit.You've nary room. Kobe's shit was sold.

Molotov
08-23-2016, 05:13 PM
They were selling your shit.


“Our relationship is shit,” Bryant tells ESPN writer Ramona Shelburne. “I say [to them], ‘I’m going to buy you a very nice home, and the response is ‘That’s not good enough’?” he says. “Then you’re selling my shit?”



:lmao:lmao

UZER
08-23-2016, 05:18 PM
Better than having your 2nd child twice.

I just finally got this reference. Damn! :lol

Laker fans worship someone who murdered their own child.

Molotov
08-23-2016, 05:54 PM
I just finally got this reference. Damn! :lol

Laker fans worship someone who murdered their own child.


:lol

Spurtacular
08-23-2016, 06:18 PM
They were selling your shit.

Autism

Thread
08-23-2016, 08:31 PM
Autism

They were selling your shit.

Spurtacular
08-23-2016, 09:29 PM
They were selling your shit.

Autism

z0sa
08-23-2016, 10:45 PM
Funny how Kobe cant even make the PO doing the same thing