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tmtcsc
09-05-2016, 06:20 PM
Besides the professional grief of saying so long to Timmy, I heard today that Pop's wife suffered through a cancer scare this past summer and needed a medical procedure to deal with it. -- That's real grief of course. He did very little traveling, stayed close to home and is also selling his stake in his winery. Apparently he didn't own it outright.

UNT Eagles 2016
09-05-2016, 06:25 PM
Need to get rid of that damn cancer shit it's fuckin annoying and kills people for no good reason

spurtech09
09-05-2016, 06:42 PM
Know what you mean my Dad died from cancer....Brain tumor.....Ive noticed a lot of people getting sick with Cancer.....Cancer needs to go.....

UNT Eagles 2016
09-05-2016, 07:14 PM
Know what you mean my Dad died from cancer....Brain tumor.....Ive noticed a lot of people getting sick with Cancer.....Cancer needs to go.....
Problem is the US is the most powerful country and it's run by doctors', pharmaceutical companies' and insurance companies' lobbyists who fight to keep away biomedical improvements so they can stay thriving in business.

So many procedures and treatment options are now legal in places like Germany, Sweden and the like... but not the US because the FDA is run by reps from Aetna, BCBS, United, Glaxo, Merck, ACS, AHA, doctors' unions, and others.

Blackjack
09-05-2016, 07:29 PM
Prayers to Pop and his family.

Blackjack
09-05-2016, 07:33 PM
Tim gone, Cancer scare with his wife...

Good thing they've got a roster spot still open - Matty Bonner's loss would be cruel, at this point.

Birn
09-05-2016, 07:47 PM
Problem is the US is the most powerful country and it's run by doctors', pharmaceutical companies' and insurance companies' lobbyists who fight to keep away biomedical improvements so they can stay thriving in business.

So many procedures and treatment options are now legal in places like Germany, Sweden and the like... but not the US because the FDA is run by reps from Aetna, BCBS, United, Glaxo, Merck, ACS, AHA, doctors' unions, and others.


This is the stupidest post I've read in my entire life.

koriwhat
09-05-2016, 08:17 PM
This is the stupidest post I've read in my entire life.

truth hurts huh? just dealt with my grandfather for 30 treatments of radiation that totally depleted him and any enthusiasm he once had for life. it's sickening how shitty our gov't is to its vets let alone the general public. sold to the highest bidder is the usa's motto.

Obi Juan Kenobi
09-05-2016, 09:13 PM
Problem is the US is the most powerful country and it's run by doctors', pharmaceutical companies' and insurance companies' lobbyists who fight to keep away biomedical improvements so they can stay thriving in business.

So many procedures and treatment options are now legal in places like Germany, Sweden and the like... but not the US because the FDA is run by reps from Aetna, BCBS, United, Glaxo, Merck, ACS, AHA, doctors' unions, and others.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2015/09/bernie-2-better-1024x736.jpg

UNT Eagles 2016
09-06-2016, 08:02 AM
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2015/09/bernie-2-better-1024x736.jpg

And what kept him out of the Democratic nomination?

Money.


Wall Street and its lovefest for the DNC and Clintons who smacktalk them in public but feed them under the table.



That is all.

UNT Eagles 2016
09-06-2016, 08:04 AM
truth hurts huh? just dealt with my grandfather for 30 treatments of radiation that totally depleted him and any enthusiasm he once had for life. it's sickening how shitty our gov't is to its vets let alone the general public. sold to the highest bidder is the usa's motto.
Yep

tmtcsc
09-06-2016, 08:18 AM
This is the stupidest post I've read in my entire life.

Unfortunately, it's more true than anyone wants to believe. I definitely believe it. Pharmaceuticals is big business. Why fix someone when you can treat them and make money from it forever? I'm not saying its everything of course, but its definitely a real problem.

tmtcsc
09-06-2016, 08:25 AM
truth hurts huh? just dealt with my grandfather for 30 treatments of radiation that totally depleted him and any enthusiasm he once had for life. it's sickening how shitty our gov't is to its vets let alone the general public. sold to the highest bidder is the usa's motto.

I'm sorry to hear that. I experienced the same thing with my parents. My dad was a career military man with over 35 years of active duty service. When he and mom went through serious medical issues, me & my brothers and sisters insisted they get help in the private sector. The level of care, bureaucracy and incompetence from the armed services facilities is alarming. No one deserves that shit, especially people who risk their lives for our country.

The only reason Donald Trump even got my attention was because he said he was going to take care of our veterans. - I'm not voting this year because both candidates are embarrassing and awful but he did make me think twice.

UNT Eagles 2016
09-06-2016, 08:31 AM
Unfortunately, it's more true than anyone wants to believe. I definitely believe it. Pharmaceuticals is big business. Why fix someone when you can treat them and make money from it forever? I'm not saying its everything of course, but its definitely a real problem.

yep. My grandmother had a personal friend who was a dentist for 37 years and literally admitted to all of us once that he preferred that more patients DON'T take care of their teeth so they'd get more fillings because it helped his business.

LittleCriminal
09-06-2016, 10:25 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-06/revolutionary-australian-cancer-drug-given-us-approval/7819344

A revolutionary drug that melts away cancer in some stage four patients has been given fast-track approval in the United States.

sammy
09-06-2016, 11:36 AM
This is the stupidest post I've read in my entire life.

No, that is the most honest and truthful post of what the insurance companies and lobbyists do! Unfortunately, these greedy bastards would lose money if there was a cure! It's just plain sad!

illusioNtEk
09-06-2016, 03:07 PM
What we need to do is a better job of studying what causes cancer cells to start and how to kill off these cancer cells without interfering with our good cells..
Radiation is the only treatment we have to slow these cancer cells from evolving more but by doing so harms our own good cells.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/olive-oil-compound-kills-cancer-cells-less-hour-all-powerful-oleocanthal-322904

Very interesting that Olive Oil maybe be the cure for many such cancers.

Obi Juan Kenobi
09-06-2016, 03:31 PM
And what kept him out of the Democratic nomination?

Money.


Wall Street and its lovefest for the DNC and Clintons who smacktalk them in public but feed them under the table.



That is all.

houston spurs fan
09-06-2016, 03:42 PM
And what kept him out of the Democratic nomination?

Money.


Wall Street and its lovefest for the DNC and Clintons who smacktalk them in public but feed them under the table.



That is all.
He is a Socialist. And most Americans (those that have jobs and have paid taxes for several years) do not want a socialist country. Only reason he did so well is because Hilary is just that weak. You should try and educate yourself.

ducks
09-06-2016, 03:52 PM
maybe he will work harder to try to win this year

UNT Eagles 2016
09-06-2016, 04:08 PM
He is a Socialist. And most Americans (those that have jobs and have paid taxes for several years) do not want a socialist country. Only reason he did so well is because Hilary is just that weak. You should try and educate yourself.

A lot of white dems in the rust belt said they would vote for Trump if Hillary beat Bernie

Proxy
09-06-2016, 06:27 PM
He is a Socialist. And most Americans (those that have jobs and have paid taxes for several years) do not want a socialist country. Only reason he did so well is because Hilary is just that weak. You should try and educate yourself.
:rolleyes

skulls138
09-06-2016, 07:37 PM
He is a Socialist. And most Americans (those that have jobs and have paid taxes for several years) do not want a socialist country. Only reason he did so well is because Hilary is just that weak. You should try and educate yourself.He did well because 99% of the countries wealth is going to 1% of the population.

spurs10
09-06-2016, 07:38 PM
I'm very sorry to hear about the personal health issues Pop is having to deal with. Fortunately he is wealthy and has the best health care available. Something tells me he would hope that all people can enjoy that respect as a human being. It's obvious who in our society are working on providing the best healthcare possible to American citizens from every walk of life and those that have fought these efforts tooth and nail.

DeRozan m8
09-06-2016, 08:08 PM
Ever wonder why cancer rates are much higher than they used to be?

Look at the shit in your food.
Look at the viruss in some vaccines.
The shit put in the air.

Cancer is basically man triggered.

Rumours its even man made.

The cure will not be released to the general public.

Cheers

Birn
09-06-2016, 09:24 PM
He did well because 99% of the countries wealth is going to 1% of the population.

This is the 2nd dumbest post I've read in my life. Then please explain why everyone on earth wants to come here and make a better life? The percentage breakdown you describe above is indicative of socialist countries like Cuba and Venezuela. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system, period hands down. Hence, that's why most of the world's immigrants want to come here instead of crap holes like Venezuela, Cuba, or Brazil.

Birn
09-06-2016, 09:36 PM
No, that is the most honest and truthful post of what the insurance companies and lobbyists do! Unfortunately, these greedy bastards would lose money if there was a cure! It's just plain sad!

100% False. Do you realize how wealthy and successful a pharmaceutical company would be if they found a cure for cancer? Billions and billions of dollars are spent each year in research and development to ultimately find that cure. They're investing this money (their own money mostly) so they can be the first to make that breakthrough drug or vaccine. If they do find a cure, every man, woman and child in the world will want the vaccine. If there's any institution that is placing obstacles in the way of a cure it is government bureaucracy, not private businesses and industries.

BSfromTX
09-06-2016, 10:29 PM
All of of you are stuck in the two party paradigm. Nobody makes it far in the primaries without proving they're a good puppet. They all say a few things that sound anti establishment, but in the end, they all will grow government, go to war, and spend money like drunken sailors. Until you understand the federal reserve, IMF, world bank, mansantos, petrodollar, and the military industrial complex, you don't know jack. Step away from msnbc and fox and go search hard for the real news, because it is not easy to find

BSfromTX
09-06-2016, 10:46 PM
As for medical issues, I would look at food and environment as the main causes of cancer. We consume so much synthetic and genetically altered foods, our bodies don't know how to process it. Medicine can only do so much when people are being exposed to so much garbage. It seems like cancer is more common than it ever has been.... WHY? Did medicine get worse? I don't think so. We have the first generations exposed to fast food and processed foods moving into their 50 s 60s and 70s while all of the younger generations have been practically raised on it. It's pretty clear to me. I won't argue either that big pharma plays a roll, but it starts with what we expose ourselves to first

tbdog
09-06-2016, 11:59 PM
Ever wonder why cancer rates are much higher than they used to be?

Look at the shit in your food.
Look at the viruss in some vaccines.
The shit put in the air.

Cancer is basically man triggered.

Rumours its even man made.

The cure will not be released to the general public.

Cheers

W....T....F? cure for cancer not being released to the general public? What Illuminati shit are you smoking? There are well over 200 cancers, plus a tone of sub cancners, all which require different treatments. And we are getting better and better and treating cancers, as long as we catch it before it spreads. Problem is there are a lot of cancers that don't give symptoms until it has spread.

tbdog
09-07-2016, 12:05 AM
As for medical issues, I would look at food and environment as the main causes of cancer. We consume so much synthetic and genetically altered foods, our bodies don't know how to process it. Medicine can only do so much when people are being exposed to so much garbage. It seems like cancer is more common than it ever has been.... WHY? Did medicine get worse? I don't think so. We have the first generations exposed to fast food and processed foods moving into their 50 s 60s and 70s while all of the younger generations have been practically raised on it. It's pretty clear to me. I won't argue either that big pharma plays a roll, but it starts with what we expose ourselves to first

Okay, just stop. The main reason why cancer is more common is actually due to how much better our health care is. We are living longer, and cancer drastically increases the older we get. That is your answer, right there. I am sure things like regular use of alcohol increases the chance of cancer. But the real reason is we living longer, and diagnosing it correctly and quickly.

DeRozan m8
09-07-2016, 01:53 AM
"The only thing that grows in the human body after a certain age, is cancer...."

UNT Eagles 2016
09-07-2016, 02:41 PM
Okay, just stop. The main reason why cancer is more common is actually due to how much better our health care is. We are living longer, and cancer drastically increases the older we get. That is your answer, right there. I am sure things like regular use of alcohol increases the chance of cancer. But the real reason is we living longer, and diagnosing it correctly and quickly.

Our health care is better? Please explain why our life expectancy in Shitmerica is barely a meager 80 and holding steady while more social healthcare countries such as Canada and North Europe are in the mid 80s and gaining?

UNT Eagles 2016
09-07-2016, 02:43 PM
W....T....F? cure for cancer not being released to the general public? What Illuminati shit are you smoking? There are well over 200 cancers, plus a tone of sub cancners, all which require different treatments. And we are getting better and better and treating cancers, as long as we catch it before it spreads. Problem is there are a lot of cancers that don't give symptoms until it has spread.

pancreas

BSfromTX
09-07-2016, 10:20 PM
Okay, just stop. The main reason why cancer is more common is actually due to how much better our health care is. We are living longer, and cancer drastically increases the older we get. That is your answer, right there. I am sure things like regular use of alcohol increases the chance of cancer. But the real reason is we living longer, and diagnosing it correctly and quickly.

free radicals alter genetic material
genetic material gets damaged and altered on a regular basis and your cells recognize this and repair them on a regular basis (except maybe in your case)

simply cooking something in the in the microwave which has has been a common theme for the last 50 years and increasingly so, causes all kinds of free radicals. Add in the increasing amounts of preservatives pesticides, food dyes and artificial sweeteners and you have a wave of agents that people were never exposed to 100 years ago.

dabom
09-07-2016, 11:20 PM
Ever wonder why cancer rates are much higher than they used to be?

Look at the shit in your food.
Look at the viruss in some vaccines.
The shit put in the air.

Cancer is basically man triggered.

Rumours its even man made.

The cure will not be released to the general public.

Cheers

We can also diagnose it better than 100 years you stupid fuck. Before you just probably just fucking died and no one put you in a statistic if you were poor.

Also the life expectancy is higher than before you stupid fuck. :lmao

DeRozan m8
09-08-2016, 12:59 AM
We can also diagnose it better than 100 years you stupid fuck. Before you just probably just fucking died and no one put you in a statistic if you were poor.

Also the life expectancy is higher than before you stupid fuck. :lmao

Being called a stupid fuck by you, of all people :lmao

Dingle Barry
09-08-2016, 01:54 AM
The amount of stupid in this thread is scary and depressing.

Dingle Barry
09-08-2016, 01:56 AM
Our health care is better? Please explain why our life expectancy in Shitmerica is barely a meager 80 and holding steady while more social healthcare countries such as Canada and North Europe are in the mid 80s and gaining?

They have fewer lardasses. Doctors can't keep people from poisoning themselves with sugar and fast food.

sandman
09-08-2016, 08:33 AM
They have fewer lardasses. Doctors can't keep people from poisoning themselves with sugar and fast food.

Yeah... no. McD's, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks, Coke, Pepsi are everywhere over here in Europe and the locals line up to eat/drink that shit just like Americans do.

UNT Eagles 2016
09-08-2016, 08:38 AM
Yeah... no. McD's, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks, Coke, Pepsi are everywhere over here in Europe and the locals line up to eat/drink that shit just like Americans do.

also, Tim Horton's Doughnuts is the favorite food group of almost every Canadian I've ever met. Europeans love their large pastries and puddings for breakfast. All are full of starch, Crisco, and sugar.

sandman
09-08-2016, 08:43 AM
Our health care is better? Please explain why our life expectancy in Shitmerica is barely a meager 80 and holding steady while more social healthcare countries such as Canada and North Europe are in the mid 80s and gaining?

Yeah, perhaps you should quote your source material, because the WHO in their 2015 report has the highest life expectancy of ANY European country at 83 for Switzerland. The major population European countries are 2-3 years longer than the US. Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark are quite the norm against the rest of the EU. Not exactly an indictment against the US as you make it out to be.

And LOL on "meager" for 80 years old. We aren't supposed to live forever.

UNT Eagles 2016
09-08-2016, 08:45 AM
Yeah, perhaps you should quote your source material, because the WHO in their 2015 report has the highest life expectancy of ANY European country at 83 for Switzerland. The major population European countries are 2-3 years longer than the US. Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark are quite the norm against the rest of the EU. Not exactly an indictment against the US as you make it out to be.

And LOL on "meager" for 80 years old. We aren't supposed to live forever.
That's the religious perspective, okay. But assuming secularity, why not explore possibilities to better ourselves and our species and extend our youth and lives?

sandman
09-08-2016, 08:46 AM
http://www.wcrf.org/int/cancer-facts-figures/data-cancer-frequency-country

Hmmm, look at all those EU countries leading the world in cancer frequency. But their food, lifestyle and health care are so much better than the US!!!!1!

sandman
09-08-2016, 08:50 AM
That's the religious perspective, okay. But assuming secularity, why not explore possibilities to better ourselves and our species and extend our youth and lives?

It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with science. Mortality is not a religious construction.

When the US was founded, life expectancy was 35 years. In 1900 it was 47 years. In a matter of 200 years, the life expectancy of children born in the US has more than doubled.

sandman
09-08-2016, 08:54 AM
For the record, I've lived over here for over 3 years. And I'm not in the military protected by an American "bubble". I work and live locally with Brits. I pay UK taxes. I am required by law to register with NHS and be assigned to a local clinic and doctor. I laugh every time people want to talk about the quality of health and health care in Europe. But they usually want to use Sweden and Norway with their 5 million people as an example, refusing to recognize that they are the extreme exception to the overall socialized medicine goat rodeo in the EU.

UNT Eagles 2016
09-08-2016, 09:00 AM
It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with science. Mortality is not a religious construction.

When the US was founded, life expectancy was 35 years. In 1900 it was 47 years. In a matter of 200 years, the life expectancy of children born in the US has more than doubled.
It's time to stop just accepting that and get a move on with anti-aging biomedical advancements. I want to live to 150+.

UNT Eagles 2016
09-08-2016, 09:02 AM
For the record, I've lived over here for over 3 years. And I'm not in the military protected by an American "bubble". I work and live locally with Brits. I pay UK taxes. I am required by law to register with NHS and be assigned to a local clinic and doctor. I laugh every time people want to talk about the quality of health and health care in Europe. But they usually want to use Sweden and Norway with their 5 million people as an example, refusing to recognize that they are the extreme exception to the overall socialized medicine goat rodeo in the EU.
You get "assigned" to a doctor? What if he isn't that good and/or is an arse hole? Do you get to change? Is the quality usually okay over there?

So Sweden and Norway have better healthcare, how come?

sandman
09-08-2016, 01:55 PM
You get "assigned" to a doctor? What if he isn't that good and/or is an arse hole? Do you get to change? Is the quality usually okay over there?

So Sweden and Norway have better healthcare, how come?

Yes, you get assigned to your local clinic and a doctor within that clinic. I guess you could ask for another doctor in that clinic, but you can't go to another clinic. That is socialized medicine. You go to the clinic in your neighborhood and only the clinic in your neighborhood. Unless you have a referral. From the clinic in your neighborhood.

Define quality. Waiting a month to get an appointment for a sinus infection? Wellness visits are unheard of, along with the majority of preventative care that we expect in the States. They hand out canes like they are candy because it's useless trying to get into a podiatrist or knee/hip specialist. Thankfully my company provides private insurance for those times when I can't wait a month or need to see a specialist.

When you say Sweden and Norway have better healthcare, you need to be more specific. Norway specifically has a worse cancer rate than the US and neither lead Europe in life expectancy. They have a substantially higher suicide rate than the major countries in Southern Europe like Greece, Italy, France and Spain. I think a lot of people buy into those memes floating around about how free and happy everything is there.

mbass
09-08-2016, 02:44 PM
Unfortunately, it's more true than anyone wants to believe. I definitely believe it. Pharmaceuticals is big business. Why fix someone when you can treat them and make money from it forever? I'm not saying its everything of course, but its definitely a real problem.

zPharma may fund some clinical trials but most of the research is done by university consortiums. Are you suggesting that the findings from clinical trials are biased against finding solutions to medical problems?? Afterall, most of our treatments come from the results of clinical trials - this is what is meant by evidence based medicine/

mbass
09-08-2016, 02:46 PM
Okay, just stop. The main reason why cancer is more common is actually due to how much better our health care is. We are living longer, and cancer drastically increases the older we get. That is your answer, right there. I am sure things like regular use of alcohol increases the chance of cancer. But the real reason is we living longer, and diagnosing it correctly and quickly.

Correct - cancer is really a disease of aging. However, certain chemicals in the environment probably contribute to the onset of the disease - as does heredity.

Slomo
09-08-2016, 05:52 PM
Yes, you get assigned to your local clinic and a doctor within that clinic. I guess you could ask for another doctor in that clinic, but you can't go to another clinic. That is socialized medicine. You go to the clinic in your neighbourhood and only the clinic in your neighbourhood. Unless you have a referral. From the clinic in your neighbourhood.


Only true in UK?. Elsewhere (continental EU) You are free to chose your doctor and/or clinic. People do tend to stay with their appointed personal doctor, but are free to change that. In case of dissatisfaction you can ask for a second opinion by a doctor of your own choosing. I have a hard time believing that it is not the case in the UK.

Most healthcare systems in Europe still allow for private, paid-for medical services. But state systems establish the universal baseline and quite of few of them are pretty good.



Define quality. Waiting a month to get an appointment for a sinus infection? Wellness visits are unheard of, along with the majority of preventative care that we expect in the States. They hand out canes like they are candy because it's useless trying to get into a podiatrist or knee/hip specialist. Thankfully my company provides private insurance for those times when I can't wait a month or need to see a specialist.


Over dramatic (and limited to UK?)
For life threatening diseases and painful states you don't wait.
My daughter broke her left forearm with a compound fracture of both bones and was in front of a doctor within 20 minutes (including transport to the hospital). She was stabilized and checked in immediately. Surgery took place the next day because she had eaten that evening. All that on basic free healthcare in a system that I will be the first to admit has room for a lot of improvement (and to be fair some are happening - maybe not fast enough).
It is true that for less urgent stuff you get bumped but with every effort made to minimize life quality impact. Not ideal but in the grand scheme of things acceptable.



When you say Sweden and Norway have better healthcare, you need to be more specific. Norway specifically has a worse cancer rate than the US and neither lead Europe in life expectancy. They have a substantially higher suicide rate than the major countries in Southern Europe like Greece, Italy, France and Spain. I think a lot of people buy into those memes floating around about how free and happy everything is there.

You are generalizing just as much as the guy you are accusing of doing it. The higher cancer rate in Norway is more a result of their lifestyle than the system. The suicide rate in Scandinavian countries is a well documented phenomenon and has little to do with the health care system.

I have lived and worked in many countries on 3 different continents and my purely subjective opinion is that the majority of EU health systems should be improved and have room to do so. They should follow the examples of the more successful ones too.

Pre Obamacare health system in the US was a disgrace "for the greatest country in the world" and is now marginally better. Obamacare (or a similar system) would do wonders for the health of US citizens if developed and improved further - but since so many people are dead set on destroying it for the wrong reasons (Own personal wealth&interests) I don't see it improving. Some of the arguments against a universal free health care system in the US are frankly just retarded.
I don't care what you've heard but affordable universal healthcare =/= Communism (actually the opposite could be argued).

I'm glad I'm not a citizen of South east Asia or Sub Saharan Africa.

Middle East is bad too, with some notable exceptions.

You might not like the above and I certainly will not Google meaningless stats to prove my points - as I said those are real life personal observations. Full disclosure: While I have worked for UK companies twice I have never done so in the UK, so I have not enjoyed the benefits of their system (according to you I should be glad I haven't).

spurs10
09-08-2016, 06:46 PM
Only true in UK?. Elsewhere (continental EU) You are free to chose your doctor and/or clinic. People do tend to stay with their appointed personal doctor, but are free to change that. In case of dissatisfaction you can ask for a second opinion by a doctor of your own choosing. I have a hard time believing that it is not the case in the UK.

Most healthcare systems in Europe still allow for private, paid-for medical services. But state systems establish the universal baseline and quite of few of them are pretty good.



Over dramatic (and limited to UK?)
For life threatening diseases and painful states you don't wait.
My daughter broke her left forearm with a compound fracture of both bones and was in front of a doctor within 20 minutes (including transport to the hospital). She was stabilized and checked in immediately. Surgery took place the next day because she had eaten that evening. All that on basic free healthcare in a system that I will be the first to admit has room for a lot of improvement (and to be fair some are happening - maybe not fast enough).
It is true that for less urgent stuff you get bumped but with every effort made to minimize life quality impact. Not ideal but in the grand scheme of things acceptable.



You are generalizing just as much as the guy you are accusing of doing it. The higher cancer rate in Norway is more a result of their lifestyle than the system. The suicide rate in Scandinavian countries is a well documented phenomenon and has little to do with the health care system.

I have lived and worked in many countries on 3 different continents and my purely subjective opinion is that the majority of EU health systems should be improved and have room to do so. They should follow the examples of the more successful ones too.

Pre Obamacare health system in the US was a disgrace "for the greatest country in the world" and is now marginally better. Obamacare (or a similar system) would do wonders for the health of US citizens if developed and improved further - but since so many people are dead set on destroying it for the wrong reasons (Own personal wealth&interests) I don't see it improving. Some of the arguments against a universal free health care system in the US are frankly just retarded.
I don't care what you've heard but affordable universal healthcare =/= Communism (actually the opposite could be argued).

I'm glad I'm not a citizen of South east Asia or Sub Saharan Africa.

Middle East is bad too, with some notable exceptions.

You might not like the above and I certainly will not Google meaningless stats to prove my points - as I said those are real life personal observations. Full disclosure: While I have worked for UK companies twice I have never done so in the UK, so I have not enjoyed the benefits of their system (according to you I should be glad I haven't). Brilliant post! Just for the record- I was just in the UK and a friend of mine needed help for a "sinus infection." I went to a pub while he went without an appointment to his clinic. I hadn't finished my pint before he had come back with his prescriptions filled without any expense. And yes people certainly can spend to their heart's desire on private care. It is indeed true our "pre Obamacare health care system was a disgrace" and would be a lot better if not for the relentless attacks he has faced by the right-wing. Well said "just retarded."

tmtcsc
09-08-2016, 10:06 PM
zPharma may fund some clinical trials but most of the research is done by university consortiums. Are you suggesting that the findings from clinical trials are biased against finding solutions to medical problems?? Afterall, most of our treatments come from the results of clinical trials - this is what is meant by evidence based medicine/

I think there's much more research dedicated to treating diseases rather than curing them. It's not just cancer either. To this date, there is no cure for post herpetic neuralgia (nerve damage resulting from shingles). Why is that? There are no less than a dozen pain management options to treat the pain but no cure. You can use anti-depressants, anti-covulsants, pain patches, and various opioids to treat the problem but you won't find anything that fixes it. Money keeps pouring in to find pharmaceutical treatments. Why not fund research for cures that directly fix the nerve problem?

Dingle Barry
09-30-2016, 02:47 PM
Yeah... no. McD's, Burger King, KFC, Starbucks, Coke, Pepsi are everywhere over here in Europe and the locals line up to eat/drink that shit just like Americans do.

I said they have fewer lardasses, which is a fact. Nothing you wrote refutes my point.