Are vet QBs required in 2016

[Fabbs]

Ok lets get this clear, we're only 3 games in.
Still, this is ST. We speculate here and love to i.d. trends before anyone else does, right? :lol

Stat was flashed about teams with rookie QBs and their records.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/09/26/carson-wentz-eagles-nfl-week-3-monday-morning-qb-peter-king

Contrast with
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[Fabbs]

Ok perhaps Rivers is a poor example but still, Wentz and the Eagles just pummeled Rothy and the Steelers by 31.

[Avante]

Ok perhaps Rivers is a poor example but still, Wentz and the Eagles just pummeled Rothy and the Steelers by 31.

Steelers after division foe Bengals came out flat.

But, we do see that once in awhile...Marino, Big Ben, Russel Wilson and Andrew Luck who step right in and take over as a rookie. I think the big surprise is a guy from North Dakota State who probably never faced any team with more than maybe one NFL caliber defender out there. Not that Big Ben was in rought vs the MAC.

Marino the only one I mentioned who wasn't mobile (Big Ben nows how to move). I do think ya must have a mobile QB now which Wentz./Prescott are. A rookie trying to just stand tall in the pocket, nay~~~~~

I usually don't put too much into anything in Sept, but it's real obvious Wentz/Prescott have..."IT".

I do put Romo back in this season, it's real obvious Prescott can step right back in and take off if Romo goes down again. Obviously Prescott is the future it just might take awhile.

[Fabbs]

Marino,
Perfect example of a rookie who can do it vs a vet who cant -in the same guy.
When Marino asked for a dollar more then Joe Montana after the SuperBowl, that was the begging of the end for Marino and the Dolphins regarding a SuperBowl win.
Ya ya he has a bunch of individual stats.
That's all he has, because this super selfish play cost him the team and fans.

[Avante]

Perfect example of a rookie who can do it vs a vet who cant -in the same guy.
When Marino asked for a dollar more then Joe Montana after the SuperBowl, that was the begging of the end for Marino and the Dolphins regarding a SuperBowl win.
Ya ya he has a bunch of individual stats.
That's all he has, because this super selfish play cost him the team and fans.

Huh???

In his second season...

5069 yards
14-2 record
48/17..td/int
108.9 QB rating

That is amazing.

Marino didn't actually step right in, he started 9 games his rookie season.

[Fabbs]

Huh???

In his second season...

5069 yards
14-2 record
48/17..td/int
108.9 QB rating

That is amazing.

Marino didn't actually step right in, he started 9 games his rookie season.
Same year porkchop, 1984.
I inadvertently called it his rookie year when it was in actuality his 1st full season.
Regardless, see the dropoff after 1984s 14-2 SuperBowl appearance.

[Fabbs]

Prescott, Seiman, Wentz.

Bullcrap that a team must have a veteran QB.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol We would literally be Browns/Niners status right now without Rivers. This franchise has a shitload of problems, but Philbilly isn't one of them.

[Fabbs]

:lol We would literally be Browns/Niners status right now without Rivers. This franchise has a shitload of problems, but Philbilly isn't one of them.
As the *leader* of the team, why are they one of if not the most mentally soft team in the NFL?
Injuries. While much has been said of the Charger staff seeming ineptitude, how much off season inspiration for iron pumping etc gets encouraged AND practiced by said team leader? Looks bottom of league.

:lol Lobbied for Norv to stay

Blow out Norv, Rivers and Smith long before they did and they could have been much better then 2010 - present mediocrity. when

I was a huge Rivers honk in the SuperBowl, I mean Marty year until about 2010-11 when his aw shucks everything is peachy keen act got old.

[Clipper Nation]

As the *leader* of the team, why are they one of if not the most mentally soft team in the NFL?
Injuries. While much has been said of the Charger staff seeming ineptitude, how much off season inspiration for iron pumping etc gets encouraged AND practiced by said team leader? Looks bottom of league.

:lol Lobbied for Norv to stay

Blow out Norv, Rivers and Smith long before they did and they could have been much better then 2010 - present mediocrity. when

I was a huge Rivers honk in the SuperBowl, I mean Marty year until about 2010-11 when his aw shucks everything is peachy keen act got old.
:lol Rivers is one of the only mentally tough players on the team, tbh. Don't see how anyone can call him soft after he played on a torn ACL in the playoffs. There's only so much one player can do when their team is owned by pussies, "coached" by pussies, and has filled their roster with pussies.

I don't like how Rivers sticks up for objectively terrible coaches, but he's still one of the only aspects of our team that isn't a problem. Nobody even knows which city the Chargers will be playing in next year, the Spanos family is still in charge, McCuck is being gifted enough wins against a cupcake schedule to squeak by with his job for another year, we have the worst medical and S&C staffs in sports, but you're complaining about Rivers?

[MultiTroll]

That was in 2007 when the Chargers still had a semblance of nutts. Yes of course that was a great performance, altho if Norv had a clue he would have pulled the obviously injured Rivers in the 3rd or 4th. Like the week before vs Colts when Billy Volek was brought in the 4th to rally the Chargers to victory. (After Rivers went out with said ACL injury).

Rivers is part and parcel to McCuck, also lobbing for him to stay.

How many of Rivers Pick 6 4th quarter sharts have you seen?
Did you watch the Dolphins game two weeks ago?

[Avante]

Russell Wilson came within a yard of winning two SB in his first three seasons, so it's pretty obvious a vet QB is not needed.

I do consider a "vet" being a QB with more than three years experience.

[SpursforSix]

Russell Wilson came within a yard of winning two SB in his first three seasons, so it's pretty obvious a vet QB is not needed.

I do consider a "vet" being a QB with more than three years experience.

LOL!!! He came "within a yard". He threw a motherfucking interception.

[Clipper Nation]

Russell Wilson came within a yard of winning two SB in his first three seasons, so it's pretty obvious a vet QB is not needed.

I do consider a "vet" being a QB with more than three years experience.
:lol "Within a yard"

He was terrible all game, got bailed out (shocker!) by his mega-stacked supporting cast, and then single-handedly cost his team the repeat with an atrocious interception.

In the Super Bowl that they won, if Seattle's offense never took the field, the Seahawks still would have won 16-8. Not exactly a sign that they "need" Struggle. With that stacked defense, they could have won that Super Bowl with T-Jack, Whitehurst or Matt Flynn.

[Darth_Pelican]

:lol "Within a yard"

He was terrible all game, got bailed out (shocker!) by his mega-stacked supporting cast, and then single-handedly cost his team the repeat with an atrocious interception.

In the Super Bowl that they won, if Seattle's offense never took the field, the Seahawks still would have won 16-8. Not exactly a sign that they "need" Struggle. With that stacked defense, they could have won that Super Bowl with T-Jack, Whitehurst or Matt Flynn.

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/malcolm-butler-intercepts-russell-wilson-super-bowl.gif?w=640&h=353

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[Avante]

LOL!!! He came "within a yard". He threw a motherfucking interception.

That's right a yard, what are you blind?

[Avante]

:lol "Within a yard"

He was terrible all game, got bailed out (shocker!) by his mega-stacked supporting cast, and then single-handedly cost his team the repeat with an atrocious interception.

In the Super Bowl that they won, if Seattle's offense never took the field, the Seahawks still would have won 16-8. Not exactly a sign that they "need" Struggle. With that stacked defense, they could have won that Super Bowl with T-Jack, Whitehurst or Matt Flynn.

ONE MORE TIME~~~~~~~~~~

Dude, take a few minutes and look at what Rivers,Big Ben, Brees, Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, anyone did their first 4 seasons and 11 games, ok guy? Show me who did it better, that is a challenge.

What are you looking at in that Denver SB?

RW

QB rating...123....dude........ONE TWENTY THREE
2 TD
72 comp %

Where in the fuck do you get...atrocious....what????????

Russell Wilson's playoff stats, educate yourself son, ok?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00/gamelog/post/

[Clipper Nation]

That's right a yard, what are you blind?
Phrasing it like that completely ignores how Struggle choked it all away.

[Avante]

Phrasing it like that completely ignores how Struggle choked it all away.

Dude, 10 playoff games in just 4 seasons, two SB;s in the first 3, what's wrong with you?

And, he did all that with no HOF receivers or TE's.

Why do you totally ignore what everyone who knows far more about this stuff than you says about Russell Wilson?

ONE MORE TIME

Who had a better 4 years and 11 games than Russell Wilson, come on little guy.....WHO???????????

[Darth_Pelican]

ONE MORE TIME~~~~~~~~~~

I seriously doubt that

[Avante]

I seriously doubt that

Wanna compare Drew Brees first 4 years and 11 games to Russell Wilson?

Trust me, ya don't.

[Darth_Pelican]

ONE MORE TIME~~~~~~~~~~


Wanna compare Drew Brees first 4 years and 11 games to Russell Wilson?

sigh

[Avante]

sigh

Smart man.

[manufan10]

Having rookie QB's perform well their rookie season are more of an outlier than the norm.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Of course. I don't think we will see a rook win the Super Bowl for a long time. Too much pressure. I don't think Dak is going to be able to do it in crunch time against a veteran team like Seattle.

We see it with the best QB's. They typically need experience before they have the mental fortitude to make plays in crunch time. The only difference is where some of the greatest defenses of all time carry the QB (Brady, Wilson).

[Fabbs]

:lol We would literally be Browns/Niners status right now without Rivers. This franchise has a shitload of problems, but Philbilly isn't one of them.
:rolleyes
Did you see 4th Quarter Phil again vs Tampa Bay?
On 2nd and farking 1.
No need to force any pass what so ever.
Below rookie strategy and execution fail.

[Clipper Nation]

:rolleyes
Did you see 4th Quarter Phil again vs Tampa Bay?
On 2nd and farking 1.
No need to force any pass what so ever.
Below rookie strategy and execution fail.
Did you see how terrible the O-line was, how McCuck kept wasting our timeouts, and how Fagano choked again in the second half?

Rivers' picks are almost always a result of him having to force throws because the horrendous team around him is busy choking the game away. Still, we have five more wins with Rivers this year than we'd have with some below-average QB like Struggle Wilson or Scam Newton.

[Fabbs]

Did you see how terrible the O-line was, how McCuck kept wasting our timeouts, and how Fagano choked again in the second half?

Rivers' picks are almost always a result of him having to force throws because the horrendous team around him is busy choking the game away. Still, we have five more wins with Rivers this year than we'd have with some below-average QB like Struggle Wilson or Scam Newton.
Are you serious? It was 2nd and 1 and Rivers had 4 full seconds to throw the quail for the game ender.
The 3 picks in the 4th qtr alone vs Miami were all on Rivers.

Defensively the Chargers have an NFL best 23 takeaways. Not a Fagano fan, but the McCuck-Rivers combo is a joke.
Back to the pathetic game ending INT by Rivers, here is how Tampa Bay was able to beat the gritty veteran Rivers

Keith Tandy, Tampa db who made the INT. "They came out with a formation we'd seen on film," Tandy said, "and actually it was a rookie, Vernon Hargreaves III, who said, 'Hey, watch this route,' and they ran the route he called out, so I just made sure I have good eyes, time it where I get in with the receiver and saw the ball come and tried to make a play.''

[Clipper Nation]

That says more about how predictable Jizzenhunt and McCuck are offensively than it does about Rivers.

[Avante]

In order to really appreciate Dak Prescott ya have to compare his rookie season to all the others, ya don't compare the rookie to a long time vet like Tom Brady, who had an inferior first season as a starter.

Brady's first 16 game season.

comp % 62.1, Prescott 67.9
TD/INT 28-14, Prescott 19-2
QB rating 85.7, Precott 108.7

Prescott prior to tonight.

When comparing players ya go with at the same stage of a career.

[Clipper Nation]

Brady didn't have Dez, Witten, Zeke, or the most stacked O-line since the '90s Cowboys, dipshit.

[Avante]

Brady didn't have Dez, Witten, Zeke, or the most stacked O-line since the '90s Cowboys, dipshit.

So who did Brady have, let me guess ya don't know, right?

You crack me up little guy, according to you a team has to suck before ya give any credit to any QB, ya know how fucking stupid that is? Stupid, you have any idea how many HOF QB's played on stacked teams?

Terry Bradshaw had two HOF receivers, a HOF center, a HOF RB. There were 4 HOFers on that defense, and a HOF coach.

Bart Starr
Forrest Gregg
Jim Ringo
Jim Taylor
Paul Hornung
Willie Davis
Ray Nitschke
Willie Wood
Herb Adderley
Vince Lombardi

All in the HOF.

[Clipper Nation]

So who did Brady have, let me guess ya don't know, right?

He had Antowain Smith as his bellcow running back, who plummeted back down to earth after a brief return to form in 2001. He had Troy Brown (who was good, but not Dez good) and journeyman David Patten as his key receivers. His offensive line improved, but they really couldn't have done worse than their brutal 2000 and 2001 seasons. Plus, the 2002 Pats' defense couldn't stop a nosebleed. So no, his team wasn't nearly as stacked as Prescott's is.

[Avante]

He had Antowain Smith as his bellcow running back, who plummeted back down to earth after a brief return to form in 2001. He had Troy Brown (who was good, but not Dez good) and journeyman David Patten as his key receivers. His offensive line improved, but they really couldn't have done worse than their brutal 2000 and 2001 seasons. Plus, the 2002 Pats' defense couldn't stop a nosebleed. So no, his team wasn't nearly as stacked as Prescott's is.

I'll be damn, not one faggot...wow~~~~~~~~~~~

How long did Brady sit on a bench soaking it all in compared to Prescott who was just thrown out there?