VP Debate Pence-Kaine

[florige]

Does anyone even care about this? :lol

[baseline bum]

Does anyone even care about this? :lol

The only interesting VP debates ever were watching Lloyd Bentsen shit all over Quayle and then Palin's wingnut word salad.

[Winehole23]

often a better debate, debate-wise

[ElNono]

:lol I still remember when some peeps in here thought Ryan was going to eat Joe's lunch...

[baseline bum]

:lol I still remember when some peeps in here thought Ryan was going to eat Joe's lunch...

Christie would

[CosmicCowboy]

I thought Hillary's VP choice was very interesting. Kaine was definitely a lightweight compared to some of her other possible choices.

[Th'Pusher]

I thought Hillary's VP choice was very interesting. Kaine was definitely a lightweight compared to some of her other possible choices.

Like who? She's winning Virginia by nearly 6 points...

[FromWayDowntown]

My new hypothesis is that Trump surrogates will pivot after the VP debate, no matter who "wins" the debate itself, and argue that a vote for Trump can be justified as a vote for Pence. They might even go so far as to intimate that Trump may not serve out a full term and that Pence is the real candidate here.

Play the hand your dealt, they say.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kinda wish Cory Booker was up there tonight. Oh well, he'll be there as the (D) presidential nominee in 4 years :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

Pence disagrees with Trump often. If I'm Kaine I bring up what they disagree on and make them seem on a different page tonight.I think we make it 2-0 tonight

[spurraider21]

:lol I still remember when some peeps in here thought Ryan was going to eat Joe's lunch...
we're going to cut loopholes and deductions

[TheGreatYacht]

783450539329716224
:lmao

[Splits]

783450539329716224
:lmao

:lol desperate
:lol serial liars

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol desperate
:lol serial liars
Plagiarized Michelle's speech, Let trump tweet at 3am, declare Pence the winner before the debate, etc, etc.

There's some funny people down there at the RNC lmfao

[Splits]

Plagiarized Michelle's speech, Let trump tweet at 3am, declare Pence the winner before the debate, etc, etc.

There's some funny people down there at the RNC lmfao

Fucking amateurs

They make fathead look like Jordan

[baseline bum]

My new hypothesis is that Trump surrogates will pivot after the VP debate, no matter who "wins" the debate itself, and argue that a vote for Trump can be justified as a vote for Pence. They might even go so far as to intimate that Trump may not serve out a full term and that Pence is the real candidate here.

Play the hand your dealt, they say.

Pence is probably the real candidate because Trump is too lazy to be president. He already offered Kasich control of foreign and domestic policy if he took up the VP offer. Trump is going to be like W first term when he was always busy clearing brush while letting Cheney play president.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fucking amateurs

They make fathead look like Jordan
:lmao

[dabom]

Fucking amateurs

They make fathead look like Jordan
:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Kaine is a fucking alpha

[TheGreatYacht]

Pence doesn't want to go anywhere near the 1995 Trump tax leak :lmao

[Reck]

Boring ass debate.

But Pence is doing a shitty job. Too much dodging.

[TheGreatYacht]

I now see why Kaine doesn't lose elections :wow

[Reck]

Pence is crying internally.

[TheGreatYacht]

Pence is crying internally.
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/753632144543612928/3CKrc9cv.jpg

[Reck]

Kaine: You cant even defend your own voting record.

:wow

[baseline bum]

Is this debate very exciting? I have it on beisbol right now.

[dabom]

Pence hasn't even answered one question tbh. :lol

[Reck]

Now I get why Tim Kaine hasn't lost an election in the 20+ years he's been in government. Guy kills you with facts.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Pence punting the minority vote.

[Reck]

Is this debate very exciting? I have it on beisbol right now.

Nah. It's shit.

But its funny watching Pence look constipated when Kaine slams him with a fact based response.

[dabom]

Pence is that kid that talks super slow to get his 10 minute presentation time. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Pence now exasperated.

[dabom]

This nigga Kaine is a beast tbh. Did that nigga yatch say the same. :wow

[TheGreatYacht]

One guy came in with facts, Tim Kaine. The other looks like a crying bitch, that would be Pence.

:cry Moderator they are insulting me and Donald :cry

[dabom]

This nigga Kaine needs to be president after Hillary's 8 years tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Now he is punting the latin vote.

[TheGreatYacht]

This nigga Kaine is a beast tbh. Did that nigga yatch say the same. :wow
Yup! You should see the deplorables on twitter brushing this debate off, they know their guy is getting cucked :lol

[dabom]

Yup! You should see the deplorables on twitter brushing this debate off, they know their guy is getting cucked :lol

This is worse than the Trump debate tbh. Millions of people missing this. OMFG!

[dabom]

Pence probably cant even say that name tbh. :lol

[dabom]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reck]

I kind of feel for Pence.

He's just sitting there shaking his head because Trump's comments are pretty much dead on.

[dabom]

This guy going IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lmao

[dabom]

Pence aint even talking about the nukes Trump was talking about. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Kaine dropping the truth nuke about Trump's nuke warfare comments :wow

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7n9xtvJ9K1qi4uu3.gif

[dabom]

This guy still hasnt even answered the question yet. :lmao

[dabom]

So he never answered the question. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

This is worse than the Trump debate tbh. Millions of people missing this. OMFG!
Damn shame. Hope the media talks about this debate for the next 5 days before Hillary makes it 3-0 on Sunday

[Reck]

Pence getting dunked on. :lol

[dabom]

Nigga Kaine is a genius tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Rough day for cuckservatives. First they stay up all night waiting for a WikiLeak, only to get cucked. Now this...

[dabom]

They said this guy Kaine was a lightweight pick. The "Safe" pick. :lmao

[dabom]

Dude can't answer the question. :lmao

[dabom]

OH SHIT HE GOING IN!!!!!!!!!!! ]]Ive been saying this. :lmao

[clambake]

this is pathetic. the whole thing. both debates.

this country is about to buy/inherit/deserve one of these shitty products.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kaine taking my gameplan :wow make Trump and his running mate look split on everything

[baseline bum]

CROFL when Kaine said Trump would be the nut Reagan warned of getting access to nuclear weapons

[Reck]

Kaine just laid down the law on Trump's foundation. :lol

[Reck]

Pence cant even come up with a personal struggle. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Kaine should hit him with how he hates the gays

[hitmanyr2k]

"I try to spend a little time on my knees everyday". Yeah, that's going to be a meme for Pence and Trump in a heartbeat :lol

[Reck]

Kaine should hit him with how he hates the gays

I've been waiting for it. Time has passed though.

[dabom]

"You whipped out that MExican Thing again. " :lmao

[Reck]

Pence got stumped on the last question. lol

[dabom]

I have not heard Pence say one intelligent idea or thought. :lol

Republicans are fucked. :lmao

[hitmanyr2k]

I'm so tired of hearing about that "war on coal" bullshit. It's such a softball for Kaine that I'm surprised he didn't hammer Pence on that BS. Those jobs aren't coming back and they need to stop giving these people hope that Team Red can save their dying industry.

[dabom]

These guys saying Pence won. :lmao

[dabom]

They just ignored the black dude. :lmao

[Reck]

These guys saying Pence won. :lmao

CNN focus group said Kaine killed it. Only 3 people said Pence won. :lmao

[hitmanyr2k]

I would call it a draw. Kaine came off as obnoxious even though he did put Pence in a corner that he couldn't get out of many times when it came to defending Trump. Pence proved to be a very capable liar but hit hard and came off convincing during the foreign policy part.

[dabom]

CNN focus group said Kaine killed it. Only 3 people said Pence won. :lmao
:lol

Im surprised this other one went the other fucking way. :lol

[dabom]

I would call it a draw. Kaine came off as obnoxious even though he did put Pence in a corner that he couldn't get out of many times when it came to defending Trump. Pence proved to be a very capable liar but hit hard and came off convincing during the foreign policy part.

It wasnt a draw doofus. :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

It wasnt a draw doofus. :lol

No one is going to be swayed by this debate. It was a battle of talking points and media headlines. Kaine got some great shots in and Pence won the style points lying his ass off and looked convincing while doing it at times.

[Reck]

No one is going to be swayed by this debate. It was a battle of talking points and media headlines. Kaine got some great shots in and Pence won the style points lying his ass off and looked convincing while doing it at times.

I dont think the post debate fact checks will look good on Pence.

The guy lied about so many things. The one that will be glaring is the one he said himself about Putin being a better leader than Obama.

He flat out denied he said it.

[dabom]

I dont think the post debate fact checks will look good on Pence.

The guy lied about so many things. The one that will be glaring is the one he said himself about Putin being a better leader than Obama.

He flat out denied he said it.

Dude Pence was debating Trump at times. :lmao

That's what I get out of it. :lol

[dabom]

One thing I do know. That dude Kaine is a Savage. :lol

[dabom]

Looked like he wanted to pounce all fucking night. :lol

[hitmanyr2k]

I dont think the post debate fact checks will look good on Pence.

The guy lied about so many things. The one that will be glaring is the one he said himself about Putin being a better leader than Obama.

He flat out denied he said it.

Agreed on that but at the same time Pence clarified it and said Russia was a small bully that was somewhat succeeding in expanding their dominance in the world as the reason why he said Putin was a better leader. I thought that was his only decent moment in the whole debate but it was a strong one. Kaine could have easily hit him back on Russia's shit economy and Trump stupidly believing Putin's approval poll numbers :lol but he failed big time in that regard.

[Spurminator]

CBS post-debate focus group said Pence won and that the debate will have no affect on their vote.

So that was a productive evening.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Pence seemed to determine to portray Trump as the person he wanted him to be as opposed to the man that he was. The post debate fact checking is going to be harsh on Pence. Trump indeed said all that shit that Pence disavowed or dismissed over inexperience.

[hitmanyr2k]

Pence seemed to determine to portray Trump as the person he wanted him to be as opposed to the man that he was. The post debate fact checking is going to be harsh on Pence. Trump indeed said all that shit that Pence disavowed or dismissed over inexperience.

I want to see what the fallout is going to be about Pence talking down Putin during the debate. Trump's followers love some Putin :lol That moment probably didn't go over well with that group.

[Fabbs]

tf is with CNN guesting Von Duchebag Trump Jr and giving him endless talking time. :lol

[Axl Rose]

You guys are hacks, most are saying pence won. Being smug, interrupting, lying and accusing isn't winning. Kaine, a career politician, has somehow managed to never accomplish a single thing which is an accomplishment in itself. Nothing he says matters, trump winning 47-32 in Florida early voting.

[ducks]

Jack tapper pence won the night

[boutons_deux]

PENCE OPENS V.P. DEBATE BY BEGGING PRIVATE SECTOR TO HIRE HIM

FARMVILLE, VIRGINIA — The Republican Vice-Presidential nominee, Mike Pence, stunned a national television audience on Tuesday night by using his opening statement in the Vice-Presidential debate to beg the nation’s private sector for a job.

Shortly after the moderator, Elaine Quijano, told Pence that he had two minutes to make his statement, the Indiana governor looked directly into the camera and said,

“I’m going to get right down to it. If you run a company and you’re watching this right now, I beg you from the bottom of my heart to consider hiring me. I need a job and I need it bad.”
Pence urged employers to consider his many qualifications and to

ignore his role in the 2016 Republican campaign. “As God is my witness, I take no responsibility for this dumpster fire,” he said.
Stressing the urgency of his situation, Pence said that his political career was in ruins and pleaded with employers to visit his LinkedIn profile.

As the moderator warned Pence that his time was up, he shouted,

“I can start Wednesday, November 9th!”

before the camera abruptly cut away.

According to published reports, no employers expressed immediate interest in hiring Pence.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/pence-opens-v-p-debate-by-begging-private-sector-to-hire-him

[spurraider21]

:sleep

[CosmicCowboy]

I didn't watch, but having listened to the professionals discuss it this morning on both Fox and CNN it seems like most of the ones breathlessly posting in here last night that Kaine was destroying Pence were watching an entirely different debate. It was virtually unanimous that Kaine did an acceptable job of regurgitating the campaigns exaggerated talking points but it was more of a sacrifice fly ball since Pence came off more measured and professional. apparently Kaine's barrage of constant interruptions hurt him. Again, I didn't watch it just giving a summary of the pros opinions.

[boutons_deux]

Fuck debates.

Pence's nasty fucking record, just in 2016, in nasty fucking Repug Indiana makes him nothing more than LGBT-hating, Bible-humping misogynist, among other standard Repug establishment shit.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

Bookaki sure wasn't saying "fuck debates" after the first Trump/Clinton debate.

That's some serious butt hurt...:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/vp-debate-takeaways/index.html

CNN's take on the debate.

[boutons_deux]

:lmao

Bookaki sure wasn't saying "fuck debates" after the first Trump/Clinton debate.

That's some serious butt hurt...:lmao

Fuck ALL debates. Americans insult themselves by deciding whom to vote for based on the debates.

Trash bitch-slapped himself, with lots of help from Hillary, in the first debate, and that was fantastic, but 10Ms still support him. Trash's debate fuckup has nothing to with the debate, but all about fucked up Trash.

[boutons_deux]

and what do debates have to do with governance? Hillary isn't going to debate Pootine or other world leaders.

She doesn't even have to face Congress in person like English prime ministers must face Commons.

debates? all part of the venal BigMedia dog-and-pony busine$$ charade to sell ads.

If a debate decides your vote, you're fucking stupid.

[boutons_deux]

and a "bucket of warm piss" VEEP debate? G M A F B

[CosmicCowboy]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/60/b5/0c/60b50c0aeaf5b8e56dd183a8b28e5027.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Mike Pence Is a Coward and an Extremist

He’s the perfect face of the GOP.

his debate performance on Tuesday night will veer between dull obfuscation and awkward evasion of an extremist policy background that he is too craven to openly defend.

Start with Pence’s passionate anti-LGBTQ beliefs, which led him to thrust his state into a national debate over gay rights in 2015.

That March, Pence signed a “religious freedom” law designed to let businesses discriminate (http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/03/30/gov_mike_pence_s_characterization_of_indiana_s_new _religion_law_is_wrong.html) against LGBTQ customers, then repeatedly lied about its purpose (http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/03/31/mike_pence_is_either_lying_or_deluded_about_indian a_s_religious_freedom.html) on national television.

Eventually, he caved (http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/07/14/vacuous_anti_gay_coward_mike_pence_is_a_perfect_vp _pick_for_trump.html) and signed a legislative “fix” (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/01/indiana-rfra-deal-sets-limited-protections-for-lgbt/70766920/) to prevent the law from facilitating discrimination, a tacit concession of its original intention.

his lengthy history (http://time.com/4406337/mike-pence-gay-rights-lgbt-religious-freedom/) of anti-LGBTQ advocacy proves he’s one of American politics’ most militant culture warriors.

As a congressman, Pence supported a constitutional amendment that would’ve banned same-sex marriage across the country, calling gay unions (https://books.google.com/books?id=W6gziQydtBwC&pg=PA718&lpg=PA718&dq=societal+collapse+was+always+brought+about+foll owing+an+advent+of+the+deterioration+of+marriage+a nd+family+pence&source=bl&ots=T_-aKwIV1c&sig=ojHblSb-xuoqhMEqMEtdfpK1G9w&hl=en&sa) a “deterioration of marriage and family” and a sign of “societal collapse.”

In 2010, he voted against the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” claiming (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1012/02/jkusa.01.html) that allowing gays to serve openly in the military was tantamount to “social experimentation.”

And he has vigorously opposed a federal law that would prohibit anti-gay employment discrimination, calling the (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/02/the-tea-partys-religious-inspiration/71679/) measure a “war on freedom and religion in the workplace.”

In 2000, during his first successful run for Congress, Pence declared (https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/here-is-mike-pences-questionable-2000-proposal-on-hivaids-fu?utm_term=.jo9ewaerE#.iuN2EG2JQ) that federal funds meant to treat and prevent HIV/AIDS were actually “being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus.”

(Presumably, Pence was referencing groups that treated HIV/AIDS patients without condemning homosexuality.) Instead of funding HIV/AIDS treatments, Pence wrote, the federal government should redirect its resources to gay conversion “therapy” programs.

(The mere fact that Pence supported horrific, abusive conversion therapy (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/02/new_jersey_gay_conversion_therapy_case_blocked_exp ert_testimony_could_be.html)—and has not yet disclaimed that support—should really be its own scandal.)

And in the 1990s, Pence served as president of a conservative think tank that published a bizarre screed against gays in the military—a polemic that included extensive descriptions of graphic gay sex acts (http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2016/09/01/mike_pence_gay_sex_essay_ronald_d_ray_on_homosexua ls_in_the_military.html). (Certain details, including one involving light bulbs, defy logic and suggest a great amount of poetic license.)

Pence’s anti-LGBTQ activism, however, is really only the tip of his uniquely berserk iceberg.

Did you hear about the time that, as governor, he tried to create a Soviet-style state-run news agency (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/01/27/indiana-editors-we-wont-use-governors-troubling/202282)?

Or when he resisted (http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/04/when-an-hiv-crisis-trumps-ideology-on-drug-policy/391715/) a needle exchange program, thereby exacerbating (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/under-pences-leadership-response-to-heroin-epidemic-criticized-as-ineffective-226759) his state’s escalating HIV crisis (http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/31/469525114/inside-a-small-brick-house-at-the-heart-of-indianas-opioid-crisis)?

What about the time he helped to dismantle Indiana’s extraordinarily effective energy efficiency program (http://midwestenergynews.com/2015/06/26/before-being-dismantled-indianas-efficiency-program-was-effective-2/), for no apparent reason other than to appease his donors (http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local/indiana/Pence-defies-EPA--pleasing-donors-8715563) in the coal industry?

Should we talk about Pence slashing taxes (http://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/pences-tax-cutting-record-help-trump) for the extremely wealthy and battling (http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/indiana-unlikely-to-boost-minimum-wage-despite-widespread-support/article_a5cf1ebf-43aa-599d-9516-d1de423ea80b.html) a minimum wage increase while preventing local governments (http://prospect.org/article/pence-seals-trump-anti-worker-ticket) from implementing paid sick or family leave?

Or his dozens of votes (http://scorecard.lcv.org/moc/mike-pence) in Congress against bills designed to protect endangered species, clean air, and safe drinking water?

Naturally, Pence denies the existence (https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15072016/donald-trump-mike-pence-vp-conservative-fossil-fuel-industry-koch-brothers) of climate change; he also rejects evolution (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/flashback-mike-pence-delivers-entire-speech-denying-evolution) and supports the teaching of creationism (http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/08/17/trump_s_vice_presidential_pick_mike_pence_is_a_cre ationist.html) in public schools.

The fact that these positions haven’t gotten more attention—that Pence is still seen as the more rational and benevolent man on the ticket—is an illustration of how anyone can seem competent when compared with Donald Trump.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/10/cowardly_extremist_mike_pence_is_the_perfect_face_ of_the_gop.html

[boutons_deux]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/60/b5/0c/60b50c0aeaf5b8e56dd183a8b28e5027.jpg

CosmicParasite has no comeback to my bitch slappings. Looks like he's gone off the deep end like Trash on the 3AM toilet twitter storm or debating Hillary.

[rmt]

My take:

Kaine hit every single bad thing Trump has said, got all his points in, interrupted a lot and seemed to bring every topic (even foreign policy) back to Trump's taxes. Didn't say that much on what (good) Hillary would do - more of a Trump bashing.

Pence was measured, (sometimes too) deliberate and surprisingly talked a lot on foreign policy especially relating to Hillary/Obama. I felt that even though he answered the faith question with his pro-life/anti-abortion stance - that it (that topic) doesn't do him any favors with a general election audience. Kaine's capital punishment answer is much less emotional/controversial.

During the whole debate, all I was thinking is why couldn't the choice for presidency have been between these 2 :-) Someone needs to confiscate Trump's cel phone until the election is over and stop him from tweeting. He should also stop giving interviews because the media twists everything he says (like the veteran/PTSD comment).

[Fabbs]

How sincere do you think Pence and Kaine are about truly helping U.S. citizens?
Scale 1-10 with 10 being complete love for their fellow man, would do anything they could. Very self sacrificing.
1 being typical POS politician.

0 = Pence
3 = Kaine

[FromWayDowntown]

My new hypothesis is that Trump surrogates will pivot after the VP debate, no matter who "wins" the debate itself, and argue that a vote for Trump can be justified as a vote for Pence. They might even go so far as to intimate that Trump may not serve out a full term and that Pence is the real candidate here.

Play the hand your dealt, they say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-trump-critics-gop-vp-debate_us_57f4c0bde4b04c71d6f110cf?section=&

"Cruz’s former spokesman summed up the mood best, suggesting that maybe what Republicans need most is for Trump to win... and then step down."


783480619938422785

[mingus]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-trump-critics-gop-vp-debate_us_57f4c0bde4b04c71d6f110cf?section=&

"Cruz’s former spokesman summed up the mood best, suggesting that maybe what Republicans need most is for Trump to win... and then step down."


783480619938422785

Personally, what I think will happen--& I realize it might be far-fetched--is that Trump, when he loses, will say that he conducted his campaign in a way that endured Clinton gets the Presidency. Then he'll go & seek refuge/asylum in some other country (China? Russia? LOL). I don't think he'd be sincere in saying that, I just think he's that fucked up/narcissistic/sociopathic as an actual person that he'll say & do anything not to be viewed as a failure.

[CosmicCowboy]

I doubt we have to worry about Trump being President. I think Hillary will win easily barring a HUGE bombshell revelation...like a sex/snuff tape with her giving Vince Foster head on the park bench and then shooting him in the head as he came...:lol....

[Sportcamper]

I think both Pence & Kaine are interesting men & I was looking forward to hearing their vision for America. Instead we got Kaine interrupting Pence as often as possible & a moderator who lost control of the exchanges blaming both candidates…Three people talking over each other & nobody getting their message out…What a missed opportunity for Kaine as he came off as a weak ankle biter with no clear vision on anything…Kaine did not win over ANY voters on the fence…

[florige]

I doubt we have to worry about Trump being President. I think Hillary will win easily barring a HUGE bombshell revelation...like a sex/snuff tape with her giving Vince Foster head on the park bench and then shooting him in the head as he came...:lol....


No then the very next day Trump would tweet that all blacks are colored and she would rise back up in the polls again.

[TheGreatYacht]

I didn't watch, but having listened to the professionals discuss it this morning on both Fox and CNN it seems like most of the ones breathlessly posting in here last night that Kaine was destroying Pence were watching an entirely different debate. It was virtually unanimous that Kaine did an acceptable job of regurgitating the campaigns exaggerated talking points but it was more of a sacrifice fly ball since Pence came off more measured and professional. apparently Kaine's barrage of constant interruptions hurt him. Again, I didn't watch it just giving a summary of the pros opinions.
I'll give you a quick summary, and yes Kaine did interrupt a couple of times. Love how cuckservatives think that's a bad thing and then turn a blind eye when Trump does it.

1) Kaine brought up a bunch actual Trump quotes
2) Pence kept saying they were false :lol
3) Trump was live tweeting, just quoting a bunch of egg twitters
4) Pence told Kaine "you whipped out that Mexican thing again". Pause
5) Pence kept crying about how Clinton keeps running an insult campaign :cry

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll give you a quick summary, and yes Kaine did interrupt a couple of times. Love how cuckservatives think that's a bad thing and then turn a blind eye when Trump does it.

1) Kaine brought up a bunch actual Trump quotes
2) Pence kept saying they were false :lol
3) Trump was live tweeting, just quoting a bunch of egg twitters
4) Pence told Kaine "you whipped out that Mexican thing again". Pause
5) Pence kept crying about how Clinton keeps running an insult campaign :cry

see post 89

[DarrinS]

I think both Pence & Kaine are interesting men & I was looking forward to hearing their vision for America. Instead we got Kaine interrupting Pence as often as possible & a moderator who lost control of the exchanges blaming both candidates…Three people talking over each other & nobody getting their message out…What a missed opportunity for Kaine as he came off as a weak ankle biter with no clear vision on anything…Kaine did not win over ANY voters on the fence…


Pretty much. Kaine was sent out there as an attack pup. Let's be honest tho, Trump is a target rich environment. :lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Pence won the debate... now what? After Hillary crushed Trump round 1, who wins this weekend?

[Fabbs]

Pence won the debate... now what? After Hillary crushed Trump round 1, who wins this weekend?
Who knows?
But I doubt Trump has rehabilitated in two weeks nor has Shillary lost her ability to just hang like a robot and win off points.
If Tramp brings up Bill Clinton it opens up the door for his mail order bride Melania etc. I don't think Trash should do it.

Plus, other then Hayter Repugs, no sane US citizen had or has a problem with Bill and Monica as regards the economy, jobs etc.

[Reck]

Pence won the debate... now what? After Hillary crushed Trump round 1, who wins this weekend?

It was a marginal win. It's also not going to change anyone's mind.

Pence won on style. Staying calm and collected matters.

Kaine was erratic and interrupted too much. But also hit him with facts that Pence couldn't defend.

It was a wash. But Pence is percieved the winner because he didn't act a fool.

[spurraider21]

It was a marginal win. It's also not going to change anyone's mind.

Pence won on style. Staying calm and collected matters.

Kaine was erratic and interrupted too much. But also hit him with facts that Pence couldn't defend.

It was a wash. But Pence is percieved the winner because he didn't act a fool.
pence "won" because kaine looked desperate when he had no need to, and pence never bit, and his only slip i recall was "that mexican thing again"

[Warlord23]

Kaine took one for the team. He had 2 jobs to do:

1. Keep Pence from skewering Hillary, which he did by interrupting frequently
2. Keep the conversation on Trump and force Pence to choose between agreeing with or denying Trump's positions - Pence chose to deny.

As a result, you now have material for some very effective attack ads on Pence being unable to justify Trump's crazy positions. Example:

oFPfNC9t1IE

[boutons_deux]

Media Debunk Pence’s Smear Of Clinton’s Reproductive Rights Positions

In The Vice Presidential Debate, Pence Revived An Anti-Choice Myth To Attack Clinton’s Support For Reproductive Rights

While Pence falsely alleged that Clinton’s position on abortion was extreme, Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine pointed out that Clinton “support[s] the constitutional right of American women to consult their own conscience and make their own decision about pregnancy.”

During The Debate, Pence Inaccurately Alleged Clinton Supports “Partial Birth Abortion.” During the October 4 vice presidential debate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence attacked Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s reproductive rights positions, trying to characterize her as extreme by alleging that she supports so-called “partial birth abortion.”

As Rolling Stone reported, “‘partial birth’ isn’t actually a thing -- it’s a term made up by [anti-choice] activists to make abortion seem gruesome.”

In reality, as The Atlantic noted, Clinton is on record explaining that she favors “a late pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother.” [Rolling Stone, 10/5/16 (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/mike-pences-casual-cruelty-on-abortion-at-the-vp-debate-w443488);The Atlantic, 10/5/16 (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/abortion-is-a-matter-of-morality-for-tim-kaine-and-mike-pence/502922/)]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/10/05/media-debunk-pence-s-smear-clinton-s-reproductive-rights-positions/213564?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediamatters%2Fresearch+%28Me dia+Matters+for+America+-+Research%29

Pence lied, slandered, but kept his cool, so you ignorant, conned rightwingnuts say he "won".

[ducks]

medi matters is a piece of work needs to go out of business

[spurraider21]

Kaine took one for the team. He had 2 jobs to do:

1. Keep Pence from skewering Hillary, which he did by interrupting frequently
2. Keep the conversation on Trump and force Pence to choose between agreeing with or denying Trump's positions - Pence chose to deny.

As a result, you now have material for some very effective attack ads on Pence being unable to justify Trump's crazy positions. Example:

oFPfNC9t1IE
most of those are pretty great :lol... but a couple are pretty badly out of context

- the punishment for women for abortions thing... trump recanted that pretty soon after that interview
- trump amended his initial "muslim ban" to a need for extreme vetting for people from certain parts of the world.. while i still think his immigration policy is dumb, he strayed away from the blanket muslim ban

[boutons_deux]

Pence won the debate... now what? After Hillary crushed Trump round 1, who wins this weekend?

Pence lied, Pence threw Trash under the bus, Pence wins? :lol

You desperate loser, losing mofos think "bucket of warm piss" VEEP debate has any meaning? :lol

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump Tries To Take Credit For “Winning” A VP Debate That He Wasn’t In

Despite the fact that he wasn't on the stage, Donald Trump is taking credit for winning the vice presidential debate.

Trump said,

“How many of you watched the vice presidential debate last night? Mike Pence did an incredible job, and

I’m getting a lot of credit because that’s really my first so-called choice.”

Pence wasn’t Trump’s first choice.

Mike Pence wasn’t even Trump’s third choice.

It appears that Trump’s first choice may have been Ohio Gov. John Kasich

followed by Chris Christie, and

Newt Gingrich.

Pence only got to be on the ticket because the Republican Party made Trump put him on the ticket.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/05/donald-trump-credit-winning-vp-debate.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/05/donald-trump-credit-winning-vp-debate.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

:lol

Trash is one sick mofo.

[FromWayDowntown]

medi matters is a piece of work needs to go out of business

"Any media outlet that disagrees with my position on an issue is inherently biased, doesn't know what it's talking about, and should go out of business because it probably has writers on staff who can't put together actual sentences with actual words in a correct order."

-ducks

[101A]

Personally, what I think will happen--& I realize it might be far-fetched--is that Trump, when he loses, will say that he conducted his campaign in a way that endured Clinton gets the Presidency. Then he'll go & seek refuge/asylum in some other country (China? Russia? LOL). I don't think he'd be sincere in saying that, I just think he's that fucked up/narcissistic/sociopathic as an actual person that he'll say & do anything not to be viewed as a failure.

Actually my first take when Trump announced and proved to be such a consistent knucklehead was that his entire purpose was to get the nigh un-electable Clinton elected. He is, other than Cruz, the only Republican she could beat this year.

[Spurminator]

Another debate, another discussion of who won based on demeanor and gaffes as opposed to actual positions on issues.

[101A]

Another debate, another discussion of who won based on demeanor and gaffes as opposed to actual positions on issues.

Well, that's how elections are won, why should debates be different. Plato's take on democracy is being proven right over and over again.

[CosmicCowboy]

Media Debunk Pence’s Smear Of Clinton’s Reproductive Rights Positions

In The Vice Presidential Debate, Pence Revived An Anti-Choice Myth To Attack Clinton’s Support For Reproductive Rights

While Pence falsely alleged that Clinton’s position on abortion was extreme, Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine pointed out that Clinton “support[s] the constitutional right of American women to consult their own conscience and make their own decision about pregnancy.”

During The Debate, Pence Inaccurately Alleged Clinton Supports “Partial Birth Abortion.” During the October 4 vice presidential debate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence attacked Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s reproductive rights positions, trying to characterize her as extreme by alleging that she supports so-called “partial birth abortion.”

As Rolling Stone reported, “‘partial birth’ isn’t actually a thing -- it’s a term made up by [anti-choice] activists to make abortion seem gruesome.”

In reality, as The Atlantic noted, Clinton is on record explaining that she favors “a late pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother.” [Rolling Stone, 10/5/16 (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/mike-pences-casual-cruelty-on-abortion-at-the-vp-debate-w443488);The Atlantic, 10/5/16 (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/abortion-is-a-matter-of-morality-for-tim-kaine-and-mike-pence/502922/)]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/10/05/media-debunk-pence-s-smear-clinton-s-reproductive-rights-positions/213564?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediamatters%2Fresearch+%28Me dia+Matters+for+America+-+Research%29

Pence lied, slandered, but kept his cool, so you ignorant, conned rightwingnuts say he "won".






In 2003 Hillary voted AGAINST a bill banning late term partial birth abortion which allowed for exceptions for the mothers health.

It's a fact, Boo.

It was all about that "camels nose under the tent" thing where she has always voted against any bill that limits abortion in any way.

[Chinook]

Don't really trust any source that uses the terms "anti-choice" or "anti-life"

[Chinook]

Another debate, another discussion of who won based on demeanor and gaffes as opposed to actual positions on issues.

I mean, are you watching the debates to figure out who to vote for at this point?

[Spurminator]

I mean, are you watching the debates to figure out who to vote for at this point?

I'M not, but there is still an uncomfortable amount of undecideds who are taking their cues from coverage of who "won" these debates, and it's always disconcerting when that coverage is focused around whether someone didn't strike the right balance of interruption, sniffled too much, said something that sounded dirty, etc.

I also realize this has been going on for decades and is only one of about 20,000 things that are wrong with elections in America.

[CosmicCowboy]

Media Debunk Pence’s Smear Of Clinton’s Reproductive Rights Positions

In The Vice Presidential Debate, Pence Revived An Anti-Choice Myth To Attack Clinton’s Support For Reproductive Rights

While Pence falsely alleged that Clinton’s position on abortion was extreme, Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine pointed out that Clinton “support[s] the constitutional right of American women to consult their own conscience and make their own decision about pregnancy.”

During The Debate, Pence Inaccurately Alleged Clinton Supports “Partial Birth Abortion.” During the October 4 vice presidential debate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence attacked Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s reproductive rights positions, trying to characterize her as extreme by alleging that she supports so-called “partial birth abortion.”

As Rolling Stone reported, “‘partial birth’ isn’t actually a thing -- it’s a term made up by [anti-choice] activists to make abortion seem gruesome.”

In reality, as The Atlantic noted, Clinton is on record explaining that she favors “a late pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother.” [Rolling Stone, 10/5/16 (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/mike-pences-casual-cruelty-on-abortion-at-the-vp-debate-w443488);The Atlantic, 10/5/16 (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/abortion-is-a-matter-of-morality-for-tim-kaine-and-mike-pence/502922/)]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/10/05/media-debunk-pence-s-smear-clinton-s-reproductive-rights-positions/213564?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediamatters%2Fresearch+%28Me dia+Matters+for+America+-+Research%29

Pence lied, slandered, but kept his cool, so you ignorant, conned rightwingnuts say he "won".






Pence was absolutely correct and as usual Boo is full of shit. Hillary can't lie about her votes as a Senator. Well, she can. It's just easy to prove she lied.

[spurraider21]

Another debate, another discussion of who won based on demeanor and gaffes as opposed to actual positions on issues.
that's because people already have their opinions on all these political issues, and nobody is going to change their mind because of a 30 second answer to a complex issue.

if "winning" the debates were based on positions on issues, then every democrat will always believe the democrat won the debate, ever republican will always believe the republican won the debate, etc. we already know their positions on issues

[Spurminator]

that's because people already have their opinions on all these political issues, and nobody is going to change their mind because of a 30 second answer to a complex issue.

I don't agree with that. I don't think everyone who watches these debates has already given careful consideration to every issue of policy that is discussed. This is a good opportunity to go beyond the superficial bullshit that dominates election coverage and actually educate the American audience on something.

And if everyone has made up their minds about the issues and who they're voting for, why even have the debates?

[spurraider21]

I don't agree with that. I don't think everyone who watches these debates has already given careful consideration to every issue of policy that is discussed. This is a good opportunity to go beyond the superficial bullshit that dominates election coverage and actually educate the American audience on something.

And if everyone has made up their minds about the issues and who they're voting for, why even have the debates?
ratings, showmanship, and just to get people motivated to go out and vote... awareness, etc

[Spurminator]

This is a good opportunity to go beyond the superficial bullshit that dominates election coverage and actually educate the American audience on something.

Assuming, of course, the major political parties have nominated candidates who are capable of doing that.

[FromWayDowntown]

Assuming, of course, the major political parties have nominated candidates who are capable of doing that.

That, and Americans "just don't have time for nuance" any more. There are iPhones to look at and there's Netflixing to do.

Maybe I'm just cynical -- probably that -- but engaging in actual policy discussion that isn't anything more than black/white, good/bad, liberal/conservative just isn't something that the electorate tolerates well. The nuance is absolutely vital to governance, and it's particularly important to finding compromise, but we've made the bulk of the electorate into such partisans that they see any nuance in major policy positions (and, by extension, any compromise by their preferred candidates) as intolerable capitulation to the opposing forces of evil.

Perhaps it's always been that way and I've just been too naive to see it so clearly, but I really do think we've reached a point that nuance and moderation make a candidate unelectable rather than smart.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Pence looks like a real Captain Murphy

http://i.imgur.com/WaGTsDw.jpg

[baseline bum]

That, and Americans "just don't have time for nuance" any more. There are iPhones to look at and there's Netflixing to do.


Did they ever?

[FromWayDowntown]

Did they ever?

Like I say, I'm cynical and that may inform my view of things.

Still, it does seem like there was a time when moderation was accepted and respected, and accepting moderation requires (I think) appreciating the details and trying to understand them.

[Spurminator]

People used to read stuff like The Federalist Papers.

Politics needs its own Neil Degrasse Tyson.

[Aztecfan03]

Kaine took one for the team. He had 2 jobs to do:

1. Keep Pence from skewering Hillary, which he did by interrupting frequently
2. Keep the conversation on Trump and force Pence to choose between agreeing with or denying Trump's positions - Pence chose to deny.

As a result, you now have material for some very effective attack ads on Pence being unable to justify Trump's crazy positions. Example:

oFPfNC9t1IE

Trump doesn't even know what the fuck he talks about. One day he says something, the next thing he contradicts it. Kaine and that video are using the worst points Trump has said, but they don't even know what his position is because he has taken 50 different positions on each topic.

[mingus]

Actually my first take when Trump announced and proved to be such a consistent knucklehead was that his entire purpose was to get the nigh un-electable Clinton elected. He is, other than Cruz, the only Republican she could beat this year.

Who knows.

Personally, I think he's sincere in wanting to beat Hillary. Why? Hell, maybe she turned him down for a blowjob Megan Kelly style or some shit. Dude is fucking retarded.

But at the end of the day, he's still a business man. Specifically, a business man who will dance to any song as long as it fills his pockets. He's got assets in both China & Russia. They'd let him live out the rest of his ignorant, miserable existence there I'm sure. Hell, they'd prolly give him his own t.v. show to boot--Apprentice China style. He can dangle a whole lot of money in front of whoever he has to after all. He can save face that way. But only because people would be so stupid to believe him (& he's shown an impressive aptitude for exploiting that in this election clearly).

Regardless, I hope his business & his brand flush down the toilet as he's a sore on this country.

[mingus]

Like I say, I'm cynical and that may inform my view of things.

Still, it does seem like there was a time when moderation was accepted and respected, and accepting moderation requires (I think) appreciating the details and trying to understand them.

I'm 27 so I don't know how it was "back in the day" but one thing I've found out is that the Internet for all its advantages, is basically information overload. People aren't filtering out shit they need to. It also doesn't help when two of the biggest social media trends to come out--Facebook & Twitter--basically only give people the option to "like" or "follow", or "block" someone/something. Nuance is at an all time low right now. I think this is honestly the beginning of the end for this country if people can't self-correct that. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I think 100 years from now kids will be reading about how & when it started to crumble, & they'll point to now.

[baseline bum]

I'm 27 so I don't know how it was "back in the day" but one thing I've found out is that the Internet for all its advantages, is basically information overload. People aren't filtering out shit they need to. It also doesn't help when two of the biggest social media trends to come out--Facebook & Twitter--basically only give people the option to "like" or "follow", or "block" someone/something. Nuance is at an all time low right now. I think this is honestly the beginning of the end for this country if people can't self-correct that. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I think 100 years from now kids will be reading about how & when it started to crumble, & they'll point to now.

Meh, it's been crumbling for 35 years.

[mingus]

Meh, it's been crumbling for 35 years.

Yeah, that's about the time period a lot of people I've heard refer to too. Can you elaborate (really generally, like bullet points) on why that is?

[baseline bum]

Yeah, that's about the time period a lot of people I've heard refer to too. Can you elaborate (really generally, like bullet points) on why that is?

That's when you started seeing shit like GM going to Mexico and we started transforming into a service economy.

[mingus]

That's when you started seeing shit like GM going to Mexico and we started transforming into a service economy.

And I guess that's why Trump's message resonates w/ people (not enough to warrant incuring all his other baggage).

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol you guys should act more like you are aging with the descent of man rhetoric.

[DMC]

:lol This thread

Kaine was the shit back then but revisionist historians here think he was a horrible pick and why Hillary lost.