View Full Version : Everyone in America loses except the Rich if Trump gets elected
dabom
10-02-2016, 08:26 PM
They can just save all that fucking money Trump slashes in tax cuts and buy everything when the economy turns to shit. Then get saved when a fucking Democrat comes into place and fixes everything up again. :lol
And the fucking Deplorables(uneducated masses) eat this shit up every fucking 4 years cause they're too fucking stupid to learn any life lessons. :lol
dabom
10-02-2016, 08:28 PM
Trump has even gone on record saying he wins when the economy goes to shit. :lol
The masses(all republicans) unable to comprehend what is going on. :lol
I wonder then why all these inner cities are run by Democrats - things must be really going well in Chicago since I last looked - with their shootings, schools, union problems, etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/26/violent-crime-and-murders-both-went-up-in-2015-fbi-says/?utm_term=.53196c025339
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/19/homicides-are-spiking-again-in-some-big-u-s-cities-chicago-has-seen-nearly-half-this-increase/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.f567507e2cf1
dabom
10-02-2016, 09:53 PM
I wonder then why all these inner cities are run by Democrats - things must be really going well in Chicago since I last looked - with their shootings, schools, union problems, etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/26/violent-crime-and-murders-both-went-up-in-2015-fbi-says/?utm_term=.53196c025339
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/19/homicides-are-spiking-again-in-some-big-u-s-cities-chicago-has-seen-nearly-half-this-increase/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.f567507e2cf1
WTF does this have to do with the economy you stupid fuck? :lmao
WTF does this have to do with the economy you stupid fuck? :lmao
Is Chicago flush with cash? Do they have enough police to keep law and order, a teacher's union that's going on strike and a pension liability crisis but it's not the "deplorables (uneducated masses)/masses(all republicans)" that voted the Democrat Chicago government in.
Xevious
10-03-2016, 05:48 AM
Trickle down economics doesn't work, this isn't news. It solely benifits the rich, when there are already a ton of loopholes they can exploit that aren't available to the working class. Just look at Trump's leaked taxes from the 90s. Claim a 1B loss one year, exempt from paying federal income taxes for 18 years. I'm not mad at him for doing it, but the system is completely fucked. CEOs shouldn't be paying a smaller percentage in tax than their employees.
boutons_deux
10-03-2016, 01:23 PM
Trash's tax plan includes killing the estate taxes saves his family $4B.
iow, Trash is 100% pure establishment Repug/VRWC, and 100% excellent con man.
Axl Rose
10-03-2016, 01:31 PM
Nice sources there faggot
ducks
10-03-2016, 01:40 PM
Trash's tax plan includes killing the estate taxes saves his family $4B.
iow, Trash is 100% pure establishment Repug/VRWC, and 100% excellent con man.
will not save your family that much because u suck at creating wealth like him
boutons_deux
10-03-2016, 01:45 PM
Nice sources there faggot
you are not totally acquainted already with Trash's tax plan of some weeks ago, faggot. For a Trash fellator, you are typically ignorant.
dabom
10-05-2016, 05:18 PM
Just a reminder when you go vote. :lol
dabom
10-05-2016, 05:40 PM
Just a reminder when you go vote. :lol
UNT Eagles 2016
10-07-2016, 10:15 AM
Trickle down economics doesn't work, this isn't news. It solely benifits the rich, when there are already a ton of loopholes they can exploit that aren't available to the working class. Just look at Trump's leaked taxes from the 90s. Claim a 1B loss one year, exempt from paying federal income taxes for 18 years. I'm not mad at him for doing it, but the system is completely fucked. CEOs shouldn't be paying a smaller percentage in tax than their employees.
Agree...but Hillary is with the CEOs on this matter, too.
The other thing is doctors are way overpaid.
Agree...but Hillary is with the CEOs on this matter, too.
The other thing is doctors are way overpaid.
I disagree with your statement that doctors are way overpaid. If I had spent at least 11 years (more if I specialized in something other than GP, FP or pediatrician) of my life studying to be a doctor and hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition and supporting myself during those 11 years, I'd want to be well compensated too.
DarrinS
10-07-2016, 11:51 AM
This would be said about any GOP candidate.
I don't know why people give Trump enough credit to assume that he could orchestrate any success for anyone, much less do it while convincing a great many middle class and other voters to vote against their self interest. I think that kind of sublime touch is well beyond Trump's capability. I think the rich, with the most, have the most to lose. I'm not sure I could put my money on any entity or group to be guaranteed, or even likely to succeed during a Trump presidency. Trump included, tbh.
I disagree with your statement that doctors are way overpaid. If I had spent at least 11 years (more if I specialized in something other than GP, FP or pediatrician) of my life studying to be a doctor and hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition and supporting myself during those 11 years, I'd want to be well compensated too.
Doctors don't spend more time than anyone with a terminal degree in the sciences do. Weak sauce. Also, student debt is a non-starter as a reason for a high salary. I don't know if they are overpaid, but their salaries do seem outsized relative to the actual uniqueness of their talents. They make so much because the strict guidelines enforced by the government to practice medicine, along with the obsessive limit of accredited medical schools, with their limited enrollments, controlled by the AMA. Add in unhealthy lifestyles, along with hypochondria brought on by any number of factors socially and in advertising and you get extreme demand for limited supply. High salaries.
This would be said about any GOP candidate.
This is true.
Xevious
10-07-2016, 12:17 PM
Agree...but Hillary is with the CEOs on this matter, too.
The other thing is doctors are way overpaid.
You might already be waiting for weeks for an appointment with a specialist. You want to make that worse by limiting the amount of money they can earn? Not to mention it takes an MD years to get into the black after the amount of money they've spent on education.
baseline bum
10-07-2016, 12:22 PM
This is true.
And it would be true with power given to the retard house.
UNT Eagles 2016
10-07-2016, 12:28 PM
You might already be waiting for weeks for an appointment with a specialist. You want to make that worse by limiting the amount of money they can earn? Not to mention it takes an MD years to get into the black after the amount of money they've spent on education.
That's why med school needs to be more subsidized. People that are that smart to get in should get it paid for provided they actually graduate, only reason they should have to pay back is if they don't graduate.
tlongII
10-07-2016, 01:13 PM
That's why med school needs to be more subsidized. People that are that smart to get in should get it paid for provided they actually graduate, only reason they should have to pay back is if they don't graduate.
So more taxes for med schools? Uh, okay.
Chucho
10-07-2016, 01:30 PM
Doctors don't spend more time than anyone with a terminal degree in the sciences do. Weak sauce. Also, student debt is a non-starter as a reason for a high salary. I don't know if they are overpaid, but their salaries do seem outsized relative to the actual uniqueness of their talents. They make so much because the strict guidelines enforced by the government to practice medicine, along with the obsessive limit of accredited medical schools, with their limited enrollments, controlled by the AMA. Add in unhealthy lifestyles, along with hypochondria brought on by any number of factors socially and in advertising and you get extreme demand for limited supply. High salaries.
Doctors aren't overpaid. They save and maintain lives. That is priceless.
Athletes, celebrities and entertainers are over paid. They are the epitome of American idolization, excess and secularism while adding nothing mandatory to the world.
cd021
10-07-2016, 01:32 PM
Is Chicago flush with cash? Do they have enough police to keep law and order, a teacher's union that's going on strike and a pension liability crisis but it's not the "deplorables (uneducated masses)/masses(all republicans)" that voted the Democrat Chicago government in.
The police are apart of the issues in affecting the city. What are more police going to do to lower the crime rate when the residents that are law abiding are afraid of them?
Chicago has paid out $249,700,000 million dollars from 2010-2014 to victims of police violence.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/cost-of-police-misconduct-cases-soars-in-big-u-s-cities-1437013834
Trump neglects to mention that yet brings up the crime in Chicago. His plan is to use a wildly unpopular and incredibly ineffective Stop and Frisk is beyond moronic. He has no idea what he is doing, he just pretends to know what he's talking about without getting too specific.
I don't believe for one second that Trump or the GOP actually care about crime in the inner cities.
Doctors don't spend more time than anyone with a terminal degree in the sciences do. Weak sauce. Also, student debt is a non-starter as a reason for a high salary. I don't know if they are overpaid, but their salaries do seem outsized relative to the actual uniqueness of their talents. They make so much because the strict guidelines enforced by the government to practice medicine, along with the obsessive limit of accredited medical schools, with their limited enrollments, controlled by the AMA. Add in unhealthy lifestyles, along with hypochondria brought on by any number of factors socially and in advertising and you get extreme demand for limited supply. High salaries.
Pediatricians earn on average $189k - that's not that much for all those years of study and debt. Specialists earn more but also study more and there's even more years on top of that for any kind of surgery. It's the Medicare resident limits ("caps") - not the number of medical schools/AMA - that's the problem.
http://www.medscape.com/features/slideshow/compensation/2015/public/overview
https://www.aamc.org/advocacy/gme/71178/gme_gme0012.html
UNT Eagles 2016
10-07-2016, 02:16 PM
So more taxes for med schools? Uh, okay.
Instead of raising taxes, how about slashing education funding on shit dead end majors? Like fucking art history or English or communications and Jewish Studies, :lol
Should be: STEM, business or self pay. With other fields acting as core curricula and electives.
The police are apart of the issues in affecting the city. What are more police going to do to lower the crime rate when the residents that are law abiding are afraid of them?
Chicago has paid out $249,700,000 million dollars from 2010-2014 to victims of police violence.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/cost-of-police-misconduct-cases-soars-in-big-u-s-cities-1437013834
Trump neglects to mention that yet brings up the crime in Chicago. His plan is to use a wildly unpopular and incredibly ineffective Stop and Frisk is beyond moronic. He has no idea what he is doing, he just pretends to know what he's talking about without getting too specific.
I don't believe for one second that Trump or the GOP actually care about crime in the inner cities.
Do you really believe that the problem that Chicago has is police violence and that the financial problems Chicago is having is the money being paid out to police victims? More police is going to help with the criminals - not the law-abiding citizens. If police are now not stopping and checking suspicious behavior but instead are not getting out of their cars, does that not encourage criminals to be more bold? (resulting in more crime). What is your solution?
Instead of raising taxes, how about slashing education funding on shit dead end majors? Like fucking art history or English or communications and Jewish Studies, :lol
Should be: STEM, business or self pay. With other fields acting as core curricula and electives.
For all you who so admire the European model (not necessarily you, UNT), part of subsidized/lower tuition costs is limiting who can go into certain fields (based on test scores). Being told what you can (or cannot) major in isn't gonna go down well in the US.
Doctors aren't overpaid. They save and maintain lives. That is priceless.
Athletes, celebrities and entertainers are over paid. They are the epitome of American idolization, excess and secularism while adding nothing mandatory to the world.
Police officers save lives. So do firemen. Physical trainers and nutritionists maintain lives.
Is that a criteria for income?
Rarity of talent and value of job are the requirements. Doctors have done a fabulous job of making their brand extremely valuable. It, intrinsically, should not be. Most of what doctors do can be done by lay people. The power the vast majority of doctors have is in there Rx pad. I can't remember the last time I went to a doctor not knowing what I had, and what I needs, either for myself, or another family member.
They get some sweet deals, to. My kids godfather (obviously a great friend of mine) is a perinatologist. Specialized specialist. Very good at his job. Was over at his house a couple of weekends back. He was 2nd on call. Meaning there are residents and docs at the hospital as first line. If they need extra help, 1st on call gets a shout. If they need MORE help, 2nd on call. He is 2nd on call one weekend a month. Been on the job for 7 years, NEVER had a call while in that position (in fact is allowed to have alcohol while 2nd on call). However, gets paid $50/hr every hour of the weekend for being in that position.
He also works at a hospital system associated with a university, so was hired as a full professor with tenure (so all the perks and income of a professor, even though he has never taught a class) - a six figure salary in its own right, of course those are just perks ON TOP of his doctor's salary of over $500K. The hospital picks up all of his malpractice and other costs of doing business. He gets paychecks like a normal employee. He just gets big ones. He graduated undergrad with my wife. They took many of the same classes. She actually got better grades than him, and scored slightly higher on both the GRE and the MCAT. She chose graduate school (Ph.D. in Biochemistry from TAMU); he went to Baylor Medical. Talent levels and intelligence roughly equivalent. They spent the same time in graduate school. He then interned, she did a post-doc. She's been very successful; published in Nature, Biochemistry and other significant journals. He obviously has done very well. Her income is less than a quarter of his. I'm not bitter, we're doing just fine, and we are still great friends, and, seriously laugh about this; but I use it as an example of doctors making more than, I think, an honest market would have them making.
cd021
10-07-2016, 06:46 PM
Do you really believe that the problem that Chicago has is police violence and that the financial problems Chicago is having is the money being paid out to police victims? More police is going to help with the criminals - not the law-abiding citizens. If police are now not stopping and checking suspicious behavior but instead are not getting out of their cars, does that not encourage criminals to be more bold? (resulting in more crime). What is your solution?
Stop and frisk sure as hell isn't the answer. Minorities (specifically blacks and Hispanics) already distrust the police; being stopped and treated like a criminal, even when you're a law abiding citizen, while randomly walking down the street does nothing to improve community-police relations.
Tossing more police isn't likely to improve the situation when the police has a long history of brutality among minorities, and rank second in the nation in payouts to victims or police brutality.
I don't think police are all of the problem but its naive to think that they aren't partly to blame for how things have turned out.
How can black communities embrace policing when the police department and Mayor covered up a video of a teenage being shot 16 times by a cop as he walked away. That was followed by a cover up; which included paying millions to the family to keep them quiet, deleting video evidence from a surveillance camera, and other officers including his boss covering up for a cop who committed murder.
The solution isn't simple but improving community-police relations is certainly a better option than Stop and Frisk, which was found to be unconstitutional because it racially profiled minorities and was ineffective. Also better police training would go a long way, $60 million dollars a year in payouts for bad policing over a 4 year stretch is astounding.
The Ferguson effect, as you alluded to has been disproved, and that too came from decades of resentment following decades of mistreatment from the police. The Justice department conducted year long reviews of Ferguson (Mike Brown), Baltimore (Freddy Grey), & Chicago (LaQuan McDonald), and found overwhelming police misconduct and mistreatment towards minorities by the police in those cities.
Stop and frisk sure as hell isn't the answer. Minorities (specifically blacks and Hispanics) already distrust the police; being stopped and treated like a criminal, even when you're a law abiding citizen, while randomly walking down the street does nothing to improve community-police relations.
Tossing more police isn't likely to improve the situation when the police has a long history of brutality among minorities, and rank second in the nation in payouts to victims or police brutality.
I don't think police are all of the problem but its naive to think that they aren't partly to blame for how things have turned out.
How can black communities embrace policing when the police department and Mayor covered up a video of a teenage being shot 16 times by a cop as he walked away. That was followed by a cover up; which included paying millions to the family to keep them quiet, deleting video evidence from a surveillance camera, and other officers including his boss covering up for a cop who committed murder.
The solution isn't simple but improving community-police relations is certainly a better option than Stop and Frisk, which was found to be unconstitutional because it racially profiled minorities and was ineffective. Also better police training would go a long way, $60 million dollars a year in payouts for bad policing over a 4 year stretch is astounding.
The Ferguson effect, as you alluded to has been disproved, and that too came from decades of resentment following decades of mistreatment from the police. The Justice department conducted year long reviews of Ferguson (Mike Brown), Baltimore (Freddy Grey), & Chicago (LaQuan McDonald), and found overwhelming police misconduct and mistreatment towards minorities by the police in those cities.
This is my attempt at a solution:
Get rid of Democratic leadership - if they haven't worked and improved the situation, try something else (you know the definition of insanity) - stop with the overspending, sanctuary cities, strong support of teachers' unions. Encourage school choice, online/virtual school, spend money on computers for kids so that the world will open up to them (or at least they'll play video games and stay off the streets). Invite faith-based organizations/churches/Big Brother programs to mentor the youth and assure their safety when they come into the community. Get the army, navy, marine recruiters in the community and give the young men an alternative to joining gangs. Try to invite successful black celebrities, athletes, musicians to give motivational speeches. Stress birth control and breaking the cycle of poverty by not having kids and getting an education.
FuzzyLumpkins
10-08-2016, 12:15 AM
This is my attempt at a solution:
Get rid of Democratic leadership - if they haven't worked and improved the situation, try something else (you know the definition of insanity) - stop with the overspending, sanctuary cities, strong support of teachers' unions. Encourage school choice, online/virtual school, spend money on computers for kids so that the world will open up to them (or at least they'll play video games and stay off the streets). Invite faith-based organizations/churches/Big Brother programs to mentor the youth and assure their safety when they come into the community. Get the army, navy, marine recruiters in the community and give the young men an alternative to joining gangs. Try to invite successful black celebrities, athletes, musicians to give motivational speeches. Stress birth control and breaking the cycle of poverty by not having kids and getting an education.
:lol
:cry get rid of my political opponents
:lol gubmint bad!
:cry don't allow cities to direct their own police departments
:lol down with teacher unions but cop unions are great!
:lol I don't want my kids going outside so they can be fat.
:lol screw separation of church and state. State sponsored proselytization is what I want!
:cry send my kids off to die in war.
:lol celebrities are the solution!
TheGreatYacht
10-08-2016, 12:20 AM
Salute dabom
:lol
:cry get rid of my political opponents
:lol gubmint bad!
:cry don't allow cities to direct their own police departments
:lol down with teacher unions but cop unions are great!
:lol I don't want my kids going outside so they can be fat.
:lol screw separation of church and state. State sponsored proselytization is what I want!
:cry send my kids off to die in war.
:lol celebrities are the solution!
Well, let's hear your solution.
Wild Cobra
10-08-2016, 01:32 AM
What a bunch of crybaby whiners, thinking they are entitled to "other people's money."
FuzzyLumpkins
10-08-2016, 02:07 AM
Well, let's hear your solution.
Abolish all public employee unions outside of contract negotiation and strike/lockout periods.
Decriminalize and medicalize all drugs. End the war on drugs.
Take that manpower and enforce violent/sex crime so it's safe for kids to go outside.
Eliminate all private prisons.
Repeal all LEOBOR laws.
Outlaw cops and DAs ability to prosecute themselves from the same jurisdiction. No conflict of interest allowed.
Enforce separation of church and state.
Make education an enumerated right and demand equal funding.
Public health care option.
Remove funding block on gun violence research
Repeal citizens united. Amend the 14th amendment declaring coporate legal entities are not "people" or "persons"
Outlaw single member districts; institute proportional representation.
FuzzyLumpkins
10-08-2016, 02:10 AM
Hail my Oligarchical and Corporate Overlords! I am a good minion!
cd021
10-08-2016, 02:23 PM
This is my attempt at a solution:
Get rid of Democratic leadership - if they haven't worked and improved the situation, try something else (you know the definition of insanity) - stop with the overspending, sanctuary cities, strong support of teachers' unions. Encourage school choice, online/virtual school, spend money on computers for kids so that the world will open up to them (or at least they'll play video games and stay off the streets). Invite faith-based organizations/churches/Big Brother programs to mentor the youth and assure their safety when they come into the community. Get the army, navy, marine recruiters in the community and give the young men an alternative to joining gangs. Try to invite successful black celebrities, athletes, musicians to give motivational speeches. Stress birth control and breaking the cycle of poverty by not having kids and getting an education.
Its not like the GOP have shown an interest in helping the problems plaguing the inner cites, outside of Trump trying to exploit whats going on in Chicago, to " reach out to black voters". I don't suspect black voters would even consider voting for the GOP for a laundry list of reasons, most of which are valid.
Splits
10-08-2016, 02:26 PM
You know how Trump would fix intercity violence? Grab them by the pussy.
spurraider21
10-08-2016, 07:47 PM
You know how Trump would fix intercity violence? Grab them by the pussy.
best version of stop and frisk imo
Splits
10-08-2016, 08:00 PM
best version of stop and frisk imo
find a brown chick walking on the sidewalk? Grab em in the pussy
This is my attempt at a solution:
Get rid of Democratic leadership - if they haven't worked and improved the situation, try something else (you know the definition of insanity) - stop with the overspending, sanctuary cities, strong support of teachers' unions. Encourage school choice, online/virtual school, spend money on computers for kids so that the world will open up to them (or at least they'll play video games and stay off the streets). Invite faith-based organizations/churches/Big Brother programs to mentor the youth and assure their safety when they come into the community. Get the army, navy, marine recruiters in the community and give the young men an alternative to joining gangs. Try to invite successful black celebrities, athletes, musicians to give motivational speeches. Stress birth control and breaking the cycle of poverty by not having kids and getting an education.
Well, here's a nice start by Sprint - although I prefer laptops - not cel phones.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/sprint-to-donate-devices-data-plans-to-high-school-students-1476220317
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