Wade says Lebron could never surpass me

[Michael Jordan.]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dwyane-wade-says-lebron-james-can-never-be-greater-than-michael-jordan/?linkId=29639080

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[Killakobe81]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dwyane-wade-says-lebron-james-can-never-be-greater-than-michael-jordan/?linkId=29639080

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He is probably right LeBron has a slight chance ...but it's slipping

[Arcadian]

Dad Killer jokes incoming

[Michael Jordan.]

Dad Killer jokes incoming
Yeah. But they are about as relevant as Canada.

[HarlemHeat37]

He'll never surpass him in murders of Black youth, that's for sure:lol

[Clipper Nation]

D-Whistle is a salty faggot. LeBron surpassed DK on December 30, 1984.

[Michael Jordan.]

He'll never surpass him in murders of Black youth, that's for sure:lol
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[Molotov]

:lol Today's NBA.

[TDMVPDPOY]

why does one need a perfect championship record to exceed jordan, when in other sports its all about winning as much titles as you can...

[Chinook]

It seems significantly less possible for him to tie Jordan than it does for him to pass him up. They've had significantly different careers. Either he's better or he's worse, but he's not the same.

[dfens]

why does one need a perfect championship record to exceed jordan, when in other sports its all about winning as much titles as you can...

american logic son :lol whatever sells the most that's the math we want :lol

[Chillen]

No, but he is the closest thing the NBA has to him right now. Leonard and Durant is more Kobe like.

[Thread]

Though James never got thrown out of the NBA like Jordan has.

[Clipper Nation]

Though James never got thrown out of the NBA like Jordan has.
Dale

[Clipper Nation]

american logic son :lol whatever sells the most that's the math we want :lol
Shouldn't you be busy packing your shit and moving out of your house so rapefugees can move in? Merkel says you're racist if you don't.

[Clipper Nation]

why does one need a perfect championship record to exceed jordan, when in other sports its all about winning as much titles as you can...
The NBA media is full of salty retired players and paunchy old white guys who live in the past. They played against DK, or grew up watching him, or covered him during his career, so they're biased towards him. And out of every sport, the NBA's media is the least willing to give credit to current players over those who played in the past. So they grasp at anything to keep DK at the top. If DK managed to lose a Finals even with his mega-stacked supporting cast and Stern's rigging, Media would find some other stat to hold over this generation's heads.

[Ghazi]

2011.... Lebron can't be excused for that.

[dfens]

Shouldn't you be busy packing your shit and moving out of your house so rapefugees can move in? Merkel says you're racist if you don't.

you seem upset tbh :lol

[Spurtacular]

Wade is actually making the case that LBJ is on his way for the "tie." And of course he's tempering his comments while he's playing in Jordan land.

[140]

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:lol

[Clipper Nation]

2011.... Lebron can't be excused for that.

If DK can be excused for losing in the first round three times, being suspended from the NBA for gambling, and having an 11-17 record against Bird, LeBron can be excused for one bad series.

[BD24]

Lebron needs to get to at least 5 titles as the best player on his team for it to be close imo.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron needs to get to at least 5 titles as the best player on his team for it to be close imo.

I agree ...I guess he can make a peak vs peak argument...but otherwise hard to choose against Jordan.
I think even 2000 Shaq had a peak vs peak argument...against Jordan.
What do you guys consider his (LeBron) best year?

[Kawhitstorm]

LeBron can't be the GOAT when he doesn't have a go-to move besides putting his head down & driving.:lol

What's going to be his logo, the Karl Malone hand behind the head dunk.:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

What's going to be his logo, the Karl Malone hand behind the head dunk.:lmao
http://i.imgur.com/xitC4aC.jpg

[Kawhitstorm]

I think even 2000 Shaq had a peak vs peak argument...against Jordan.

2000 Shaq got outplayed by Sheed for a couple of games in the WCF including Gm 7 when Sheed was DOMINATING before he choked in the 4th quarter. PEAK Jordan averaged 41/8/6 & showed MVP Barkley that he wasn't in his league.

[Kawhitstorm]

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[Clipper Nation]

Nah. As awesome as Tayshaun's block was, LeBron's was a way bigger deal.

[DMC]

Nah. As awesome as Tayshaun's block was, LeBron's was a way bigger deal.
No it wasn't. Reggie had an opportunity to tie or win that game with that layup and he had a huge head start. Lebron was in a different scenario, but the end of the road is still the end of the road, be it Finals or 1st round.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao LeBron's block was in Game 7 on the road in the Finals against a 73-win team. It also sealed a championship for a city that hadn't won one in 52 years.

Prince's block was in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference Finals.

Anyone trying to claim that the latter was a bigger deal is either delusional, a LeBron hater, or both.

[Molotov]

CN/HH salty AF, judging by the desperation of his semen shielding...:lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

:lmao LeBron's block was in Game 7 on the road in the Finals against a 73-win team. It also sealed a championship for a city that hadn't won one in 52 years.


Kyrie sealed the championship, Bron made the block in a tie game w/ 1:50 remaining in the game. Iggy could have scored & the Cavs would have still won since 3 > 2.

If we take out the Cavs not winning in 52 season, Kawhi blocking WestBrick's GO-AHEAD layup in a TWO possession game to seal the 2014 WCF was more miraculous considering Iggy had a bad back & Kawhi was outnumbered with the best athlete in the NBA coming right at him. Had the Spurs lost that game they would have been cooked in Gm 7 considering Tim/Manu were spent in OT & Porker had already tapped out at half-time. We would have been robbed of the 2014 Finals maestro performance & Bron might STILL be in Miami.

Y1O3pq0KyXQ

[Bynumite]

Lebeta will never surpass JordanPERIOD

MJ got too many team and individual accolades, too many iconic moments and even when the Bulls were getting their butt kicked in the 80's, Jordan was still putting up monster stats, team just wasn't good enough. He never got exposed the way Lebron did against the Mavs.

[Michael Jordan.]

Lebeta will never surpass JordanPERIOD

MJ got too many team and individual accolades, too many iconic moments and even when the Bulls were getting their butt kicked in the 80's, Jordan was still putting up monster stats, team just wasn't good enough. He never got exposed the way Lebron did against the Mavs.

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[tonight...you]

Kyrie sealed the championship, Bron made the block in a tie game w/ 1:50 remaining in the game. Iggy could have scored & the Cavs would have still won since 3 > 2.

If we take out the Cavs not winning in 52 season, Kawhi blocking WestBrick's GO-AHEAD layup in a TWO possession game to seal the 2014 WCF was more miraculous considering Iggy had a bad back & Kawhi was outnumbered with the best athlete in the NBA coming right at him. Had the Spurs lost that game they would have been cooked in Gm 7 considering Tim/Manu were spent in OT & Porker had already tapped out at half-time. We would have been robbed of the 2014 Finals maestro performance & Bron might STILL be in Miami.

Y1O3pq0KyXQ
I could watch that block a 1000 times every day and still marvel at it's beauty and how huge it was in that moment.

[poeticism707]

The NBA media is full of salty retired players and paunchy old white guys who live in the past. They played against DK, or grew up watching him, or covered him during his career, so they're biased towards him. And out of every sport, the NBA's media is the least willing to give credit to current players over those who played in the past. So they grasp at anything to keep DK at the top. If DK managed to lose a Finals even with his mega-stacked supporting cast and Stern's rigging, Media would find some other stat to hold over this generation's heads.

This.

[Michael Jordan.]

The NBA media is full of salty retired players and paunchy old white guys who live in the past. They played against DK, or grew up watching him, or covered him during his career, so they're biased towards him. And out of every sport, the NBA's media is the least willing to give credit to current players over those who played in the past. So they grasp at anything to keep DK at the top. If DK managed to lose a Finals even with his mega-stacked supporting cast and Stern's rigging, Media would find some other stat to hold over this generation's heads.

:lol at the media giving credit to motherfuckers who are so sensitive to criticism that they have to shut their twitter down. :lmao

[Stalin]

Lebeta will never surpass JordanPERIOD

MJ got too many team and individual accolades, too many iconic moments and even when the Bulls were getting their butt kicked in the 80's, Jordan was still putting up monster stats, team just wasn't good enough. He never got exposed the way Lebron did against the Mavs.


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[ambchang]

Nobody taking a backseat to wade can be considered best ever.

[Pelicans78]

If DK can be excused for losing in the first round three times, being suspended from the NBA for gambling, and having an 11-17 record against Bird, LeBron can be excused for one bad series.

Jordan wasnt in his prime when he lost early in his career. The Mavs didn't do anything special except play a zone defense.

[lefty]

:lmao LeBron's block was in Game 7 on the road in the Finals against a 73-win team. It also sealed a championship for a city that hadn't won one in 52 years.

Prince's block was in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference Finals.

Anyone trying to claim that the latter was a bigger deal is either delusional, a LeBron hater, or both.

Plus Reggie fucked up by not dunking it

[HarlemHeat37]

Dad Killer will never be surpassed in the conventional way that media and fans rank players with lack of nuance(rings, accolades, etc), tbh..all the circumstances worked in his favor, it was a perfect storm of having a stacked supporting cast, minimal competition and no media to expose his flaws, on and off the court..

Individually, they are close, but Lebron was unfortunate to be placed in the wrong situation and era, tbh..

Realistically, you could have replaced Dad Killer with a number of players that would have easily won at least 5 titles with those Bulls teams..Kobe, Wade, Drexler, Paul Pierce, McGrady, Vince Carter, etc..if you replaced DK with any of those players, the Bulls would have been worse, but still would have easily won at least 5 championships vs. inferior competition..

The 1994 Bulls were 1 shot away from the ECFs, despite Scottie not even having a traditional sidekick:lol..I can't even fathom how you could take a superstar player off his team and they could still make a deep playoff run..

From his rookie season until his retirement(and I'm being generous by including the Wizards' days, since it inflates this number in his favor), DK's teams won 51% of the games without him..that isn't a good winning % and is an accurate display of his value, but compared to somebody like Lebron and his teams' 35% mark without him, it's laughable:lol

[lefty]

Dad Killer will never be surpassed in the conventional way that media and fans rank players with lack of nuance(rings, accolades, etc), tbh..all the circumstances worked in his favor, it was a perfect storm of having a stacked supporting cast, minimal competition and no media to expose his flaws, on and off the court..

Individually, they are close, but Lebron was unfortunate to be placed in the wrong situation and era, tbh..

Realistically, you could have replaced Dad Killer with a number of players that would have easily won at least 5 titles with those Bulls teams..Kobe, Wade, Drexler, Paul Pierce, McGrady, Vince Carter, etc..if you replaced DK with any of those players, the Bulls would have been worse, but still would have easily won at least 5 championships vs. inferior competition..

The 1994 Bulls were 1 shot away from the ECFs, despite Scottie not even having a traditional sidekick:lol..I can't even fathom how you could take a superstar player off his team and they could still make a deep playoff run..

From his rookie season until his retirement(and I'm being generous by including the Wizards' days, since it inflates this number in his favor), DK's teams won 51% of the games without him..that isn't a good winning % and is an accurate display of his value, but compared to somebody like Lebron and his teams' 35% mark without him, it's laughable:lol

Srs question what's your top 5 tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

Srs question what's your top 5 tbh

1. Larry Bird
2. John Stockton
3. Bob Cousy
4. George Mikan
5. Kevin McHale

[StrengthAndHonor]

1. Larry Bird
2. John Stockton
3. Bob Cousy
4. George Mikan
5. Kevin McHale
Laugh out loud. Good one Harlem.

[Michael Jordan.]

Laugh out loud. Good one Harlem.
You gotta wonder how athletic Harlem is or isn't when he is threatened by white men playing basketball.

[TrainOfThought5]

Kyrie sealed the championship, Bron made the block in a tie game w/ 1:50 remaining in the game. Iggy could have scored & the Cavs would have still won since 3 > 2.

If we take out the Cavs not winning in 52 season, Kawhi blocking WestBrick's GO-AHEAD layup in a TWO possession game to seal the 2014 WCF was more miraculous considering Iggy had a bad back & Kawhi was outnumbered with the best athlete in the NBA coming right at him. Had the Spurs lost that game they would have been cooked in Gm 7 considering Tim/Manu were spent in OT & Porker had already tapped out at half-time. We would have been robbed of the 2014 Finals maestro performance & Bron might STILL be in Miami.

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Fantastic fucking post TBH

[TrainOfThought5]

Dad Killer will never be surpassed in the conventional way that media and fans rank players with lack of nuance(rings, accolades, etc), tbh..all the circumstances worked in his favor, it was a perfect storm of having a stacked supporting cast, minimal competition and no media to expose his flaws, on and off the court..

Individually, they are close, but Lebron was unfortunate to be placed in the wrong situation and era, tbh..

Realistically, you could have replaced Dad Killer with a number of players that would have easily won at least 5 titles with those Bulls teams..Kobe, Wade, Drexler, Paul Pierce, McGrady, Vince Carter, etc..if you replaced DK with any of those players, the Bulls would have been worse, but still would have easily won at least 5 championships vs. inferior competition..

The 1994 Bulls were 1 shot away from the ECFs, despite Scottie not even having a traditional sidekick:lol..I can't even fathom how you could take a superstar player off his team and they could still make a deep playoff run..

From his rookie season until his retirement(and I'm being generous by including the Wizards' days, since it inflates this number in his favor), DK's teams won 51% of the games without him..that isn't a good winning % and is an accurate display of his value, but compared to somebody like Lebron and his teams' 35% mark without him, it's laughable:lol

Sounds like Jordan did what all the other GOAT imposters (Lebron, Kobe, etc.) Couldnt do: Make his teammates better.

[Molotov]

Sounds like Jordan did what all the other GOAT imposters (Lebron, Kobe, etc.) Couldnt do: Make his teammates better.


Very true, DK made those three peat teams, they learned how to play from him, that's why they went so deep in playoffs when he went of to play fatball. How else could the Bulls get away with playing so many scrub white American players like Buechler and Wennington? DK inspired these role players to raise their play to championship levels, or get punched in the face like Kerr.

Interesting interview from Horace Grant on how DK was really like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY

[Bynumite]

Individually, they are close, but Lebron was unfortunate to be placed in the wrong situation and era, tbh..

:lmao

East has been historically trash for most of Lebron's career, you had Detroit and Boston for a few years in the 00's and that's it.

If anything Lebron was lucky to play in this era of pro-offense rules and no real competition outside the Finals.

[lefty]

Very true, DK made those three peat teams, they learned how to play from him, that's why they went so deep in playoffs when he went of to play fatball. How else could the Bulls get away with playing so many scrub white American players like Buechler and Wennington? DK inspired these role players to raise their play to championship levels, or get punched in the face like Kerr.

Interesting interview from Horace Grant on how DK was really like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY

True

Jordan inspired his teammates to make a deep playoff run in 1994.
They learned a lot from him

[apalisoc_9]

Jordans Perimter and wing rivals in the 90s..

Stockton, Drexler, Miller, price, Hardaway

etc..

such talent...

:lmao

[Michael Jordan.]

Jordans Perimter and wing rivals in the 90s..

Stockton, Drexler, Miller, price, Hardaway

etc..

such talent...

:lmao
Most of LeBron's "talent" is just being physically bigger than any of his competition and nothing else...

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[lefty]

Most of LeBron's "talent" is just being physically bigger than any of his competition and nothing else...

http://myfirstchat.com/bookcity2/covers9/b9cbd4fd5555c2ff9c6a29860a5251a223c5edcf.gif

Daaaaaaamn

[Stalin]

Most of LeBron's "talent" is just being physically bigger than any of his competition and nothing else...

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:lol

[Arcadian]

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[DMC]

Why would MJ give a fuck what Wade said about Lebron? If you're at the top, you don't concern yourself with petty things like low tier players commenting on 2nd best guys.

[DMC]

Most of LeBron's "talent" is just being physically bigger than any of his competition and nothing else...

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That was Shaq's only talent but it's not like big guys can normally move like point guards. When they can, it's a talent in and of itself. Shaq's ability to simply dribble and walk at his size far surpassed anyone else in the world his size. Add some footwork under the rim and the ability to actually run down the court and you have enough talent to matter.

Besides, it's not like MJ was 5'10". He was big in his own right, and his hands are bigger than Kawhi's. Give MJ Kobe's hands and make him the size of Kyrie Irving. Let's see how he does.

You might want to reconsider the size argument.

[Michael Jordan.]

That was Shaq's only talent but it's not like big guys can normally move like point guards. When they can, it's a talent in and of itself. Shaq's ability to simply dribble and walk at his size far surpassed anyone else in the world his size. Add some footwork under the rim and the ability to actually run down the court and you have enough talent to matter.

Besides, it's not like MJ was 5'10". He was big in his own right, and his hands are bigger than Kawhi's. Give MJ Kobe's hands and make him the size of Kyrie Irving. Let's see how he does.

You might want to reconsider the size argument.
Shaq had a post game. LeBron has no post game, no jumper, no reliable 3 point shot. His only skill is that no one at his position is as big or as strong as he is. Who else at his position is 6'8, 250? Don't even act 6'4 220 and 6'8 250 are the same. LeBron is a damn tight end playing basketball and still doesn't dominate like he should.

[DMC]

Shaq had a post game. LeBron has no post game, no jumper, no reliable 3 point shot. His only skill is that no one at his position is as big or as strong as he is. Who else at his position is 6'8, 250? Don't even act 6'4 220 and 6'8 250 are the same. LeBron is a damn tight end playing basketball and still doesn't dominate like he should.
Shaq's post game would be meaningless if he was the size of Zach Randolph.

The best player in the world, all because he's 6'8" and 250lbs. Who knew that's all you need?

[Thebesteva]

At this point the ghost of MJ is so damn powerful I just dont see anyone surpassing him unless they win 7-8 championships in a row and remain undefeated in the finals. Growing up I really disliked MJ but I knew god damn right I was witnessing the most mentally tough individual in sports history next to Ali.

As a diehard Kobe fan some delusional part of me wished he could surpass MJ with 7-8 rings but once he lost in 2004 in the finals I knew it was over. Obviously he barely stood a chance to surpass him but even I knew you cant lose in the finals and surpass MJ unless maybe its your rookie year and you carried the team to the finals then that's a different argument.

Lebron's mental midget like state in numerous playoff runs including the 2011 finals is inexcusable. Look, no one is debating if he's top 10 anymore. He's just not #1 of all time. But he does stand a chance in winning 3-4 more rings POSSIBLY with that weak ass division called the ECF.