Kyle Anderson isn't good enough...

[DrSteffo]

Archie Goodwin was popular among Suns fans for a while, mainly because he was a young American who could jump and slash. He was also on some nba media LVP list (least valuable player) because he could not shoot and was not good at the game of basketball. He also seems to be a bit full of himself. He is of course faster than Kyle Anderson but with worse attitude. They are about the same level basically (borderline nba, d-league or Europe).

[sasaint]

Even if Bertans could defend small forwards (which is unlikely), he's said and it's been clear that they view him as strictly a stretch four.

Goodwin is similar to Simmons and the holdup on his signing is probably waiting for a situation where he has a potential near immediate path to a rotation spot.



Why would the 76ers trade one of their few shooters for a (supposed) play making/point forward type, who's a far inferior prospect to 2 players they already have who fit that mold?

- So, does Goodwin have enough more potential to dump Simmons? That would be the trade-off - not Anderson.

- Yeah, Sixers are not moving Thompson- especially for a completely redundant (and lesser) piece such as Anderson.

[MaNu4Tres]

Even if Bertans could defend small forwards (which is unlikely), he's said and it's been clear that they view him as strictly a stretch four.

Goodwin is similar to Simmons and the holdup on his signing is probably waiting for a situation where he has a potential near immediate path to a rotation spot.



Why would the 76ers trade one of their few shooters for a (supposed) play making/point forward type, who's a far inferior prospect to 2 players they already have who fit that mold?

Bertans won't be any worse than Anderson on the perimeter defensively and if Danny Ferry can play SF, surely Bertans can. He's interchangeable as a PF or SF imo. Plus, he'd be defending back up SFs, which isn't a significant worry. He'd be a net positive regardless because of his elite shooting off the ball. I would play him at SF instead of Anderson... That's my opinion. He played wing overseas plenty and I believe part of the reason why Spurs have him slotted as a spread PF is because of presumed minutes Simmons/Anderson would split at the back up wing positions (they may have thought there wouldn't be minutes available) -- which is unlike the back up PF position coming into the season. R.C and Pop may have thought coming in that Lee was a question mark and Bertans' only real chance to earn minutes coming into the season would be competing vs. Lee, instead of versus Simmons and Anderson. Things can change and adjustments are made throughout the season. Considering the play of Anderson, I would hope they would be open minded enough to at least give it a shot. He has the offensive skill set to play the SF role better than Anderson and Simmons.

As for why Philly would consider trading Hollis for assets that aren't expiring anytime soon?

Hollis isn't moving Phillys' needle this year.. they'll be a lottery team again and his ceiling is a fringe role player -- who just so happens to have the skill-set the Spurs should be willing to take a gamble on. Philly would be better off getting a prospect who has 2 yrs left on his rookie deal + a 2nd for Thompsons' expiring or short term value before he leaves for nothing in the off-season.

[sasaint]

Bertans won't be any worse than Anderson on the perimeter defensively and if Danny Ferry can play SF, surely Bertans can. He's interchangeable as a PF or SF imo. Plus, he'd be defending back up SFs, which isn't a significant worry. He'd be a net positive regardless because of his elite shooting off the ball. I would play him at SF instead of Anderson... That's my opinion. He played wing overseas plenty and I believe part of the reason why Spurs have him slotted as a spread PF is because of presumed minutes Simmons/Anderson would split at the back up wing positions (they may have thought there wouldn't be minutes available) -- which is unlike the back up PF position coming into the season. R.C and Pop may have thought coming in that Lee was a question mark and Bertans' only real chance to earn minutes coming into the season would be competing vs. Lee, instead of versus Simmons and Anderson. Things can change and adjustments are made throughout the season. Considering the play of Anderson, I would hope they would be open minded enough to at least give it a shot. He has the offensive skill set to play the SF role better than Anderson and Simmons.

As for why Philly would consider trading Hollis for assets that aren't expiring anytime soon?

Hollis isn't moving Phillys' needle this year.. they'll be a lottery team again and his ceiling is a fringe role player -- who just so happens to have the skill-set the Spurs should be willing to take a gamble on. Philly would be better off getting a prospect who has 2 yrs left on his rookie deal + a 2nd for Thompsons' expiring or short term value before he leaves for nothing in the off-season.

Guy has looked pretty good this season. The ability to shoot the ball sets him apart from the rest of the Sixers' roster. I think he plays into their long term plans. And if not, they can surely get more than Anderson and a second for him.

[MaNu4Tres]

Guy has looked pretty good this season. The ability to shoot the ball sets him apart from the rest of the Sixers' roster. I think he plays into their long term plans. And if not, they can surely get more than Anderson and a second for him.

It's subjective whether he's part of their future plans or not. Or whether they could get more. No team is going to offer anything significant for him because of his contract -- it's expired after the year and his market value is in question because of how teams may perceive his true value because of the role and team he plays for.

And If he was in their plans for the future, we would have seen an extension. The Hollis Thompson idea was a recent thought I'd like the Spurs to target based on his size/ skillset.

Did I call the R.C or Colangelo to see if its possible? No I did not and I'm sure you haven't either.

[sasaint]

It's subjective whether he's part of their future plans or not. If he was, we would have seen an extension. Also, the Hollis Thompson target was a spur of the moment idea I'd like the Spurs to pursue based on his size/ skillset. Did I call the R.C or Colangelo to see if its possible? No I did not.

Didn't mean to get under your skin - just discussing. I think that would be a very good deal for the Spurs. Just for argument's sake, would you offer more for the guy?

[MaNu4Tres]

Didn't mean to get under your skin - just discussing. I think that would be a very good deal for the Spurs. Just for argument's sake, would you offer more for the guy?

I don't know because I don't know where both teams would start. It was an idea of a player I'd like to pursue that's under the radar.

But I do know this, no team is going to offer anything significant for him because of his contract -- it's expired after the year and his market value is in question because of how teams may perceive his true value because of the role and team he plays for. No team is going to offer much for a half year rental and at the same time, I'm sure majority of teams wouldn't commit to him long term just yet -- he's still very green. So why would teams offer anything significant if they don't know if they'd commit to him long term?

Teams would be making a half year gamble to assess where he's at and how he can contribute. If they see a future, they'd probably low ball him and have the leverage to do it based on his career thus far.

If he was in the plans for the Sixers, we would have seen an extension of some sort.

[sasaint]

I don't know because I don't know where both teams would start. It was an idea of a player I'd like to pursue that's under the radar.

But I do know this, no team is going to offer anything significant for him because of his contract -- it's expired after the year and his market value is in question because of how teams may perceive his true value because of the role and team he plays for. No team is going to offer much for a half year rental and at the same time, I'm sure majority of teams wouldn't commit to him long term just yet -- he's still very green. So why would teams offer anything significant if they don't know if they'd commit to him long term?

Teams would be making a half year gamble to assess where he's at and how he can contribute. If they see a future, they'd probably low ball him and have the leverage to do it based on his career thus far.

If he was in the plans for the Sixers, we would have seen an extension of some sort.

You are probably right about lack of an extension indicating the team's lack of commitment entering this season. Too bad PATFO is so averse to trades.

[TD 21]

- So, does Goodwin have enough more potential to dump Simmons? That would be the trade-off - not Anderson.

- Yeah, Sixers are not moving Thompson- especially for a completely redundant (and lesser) piece such as Anderson.

I'd say their potential is roughly equal (6th men in an absolute best case scenario), Goodwin just has 5 extra years to reach it, so the likelihood of him doing so is probably higher.

But the Spurs place a premium on "corporate knowledge". Simmons has built up sweat equity and on his own, is still unlikely to fetch much.


Bertans won't be any worse than Anderson on the perimeter defensively and if Danny Ferry can play SF, surely Bertans can. He's interchangeable as a PF or SF imo. Plus, he'd be defending back up SFs, which isn't a significant worry. He'd be a net positive regardless because of his elite shooting off the ball. I would play him at SF instead of Anderson... That's my opinion. He played wing overseas plenty and I believe part of the reason why Spurs have him slotted as a spread PF is because of presumed minutes Simmons/Anderson would split at the back up wing positions (they may have thought there wouldn't be minutes available) -- which is unlike the back up PF position coming into the season. R.C and Pop may have thought coming in that Lee was a question mark and Bertans' only real chance to earn minutes coming into the season would be competing vs. Lee, instead of versus Simmons and Anderson. Things can change and adjustments are made throughout the season. Considering the play of Anderson, I would hope they would be open minded enough to at least give it a shot. He has the offensive skill set to play the SF role better than Anderson and Simmons.

As for why Philly would consider trading Hollis for assets that aren't expiring anytime soon?

Hollis isn't moving Phillys' needle this year.. they'll be a lottery team again and his ceiling is a fringe role player -- who just so happens to have the skill-set the Spurs should be willing to take a gamble on. Philly would be better off getting a prospect who has 2 yrs left on his rookie deal + a 2nd for Thompsons' expiring or short term value before he leaves for nothing in the off-season.

Ferry was playing SF in the 90s and early 00s, when suffice it to say, the game was very different. Other than that, I don't disagree with anything you said, but I still maintain that they won't utilize Bertans as an SF.

Anderson isn't moving the 76ers needle ever. Neither is Thompson, obviously, but he at least fills a need and so what if he's expiring? They've got a shit load of cap space and he's not exactly going to break the bank.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd say their potential is roughly equal (6th men in an absolute best case scenario), Goodwin just has 5 extra years to reach it, so the likelihood of him doing so is probably higher.

But the Spurs place a premium on "corporate knowledge". Simmons has built up sweat equity and on his own, is still unlikely to fetch much.



Ferry was playing SF in the 90s and early 00s, when suffice it to say, the game was very different. Other than that, I don't disagree with anything you said, but I still maintain that they won't utilize Bertans as an SF.

Anderson isn't moving the 76ers needle ever. Neither is Thompson, obviously, but he at least fills a need and so what if he's expiring? They've got a shit load of cap space and he's not exactly going to break the bank.

I never said Anderson would move the needle. But I do know this, if Philly is open to attaining optimal assets for their expirings that they don't intend on investing in further, then Spurs could be players for Hollis for cheap ( considering his expiring). No team is going to offer anything significant for Hollis because of his contract -- it's expired after the year and his market value is in question because of how teams may perceive his true value because of the role and team he plays for. No team is going to offer much for a half year rental and at the same time, I'm sure majority of teams wouldn't commit to him long term just yet -- he's still very green. So why would teams offer anything significant if they don't know if they'd commit to him long term?

Teams would be making a half year gamble to assess where he's at and how he can contribute. If they see a future, they'd probably low ball him and have the leverage to do it based on his career thus far.

[TD 21]

I never said Anderson would move the needle. But I do know this, if Philly is open to attaining optimal assets for their expirings that they don't intend on investing in further, then Spurs could be players for Hollis for cheap ( considering his expiring). No team is going to offer anything significant for Hollis because of his contract -- it's expired after the year and his market value is in question because of how teams may perceive his true value because of the role and team he plays for. No team is going to offer much for a half year rental and at the same time, I'm sure majority of teams wouldn't commit to him long term just yet -- he's still very green. So why would teams offer anything significant if they don't know if they'd commit to him long term?

Teams would be making a half year gamble to assess where he's at and how he can contribute. If they see a future, they'd probably low ball him and have the leverage to do it based on his career thus far.

It's not about the return for him. Obviously, no one is offering anything remotely significant for Thompson, but that also doesn't mean they should trade him for a player who makes no sense for them now or in the future.

If they don't intend to re-sign him, then the optimal asset in return may be for that spot to go to Korkmaz or one of their other 37 draft picks that they've got coming (even though some will inevitably be moved).

[K...]

people are way too emotional abut kyle. He's not an important player.

He keeps getting bounced around to play 3 different positions. His ultimate prime goal is PF. He won't be defending perimeter. He may never be NBA quality and no one will be surprised. LAte first round picks are risky.

He can run a team at the college and summer league levels. That's not proof he can run an nba bench. But he's never been a full time PF nor a full time point forward, hes been a floater.

ultimately i don't care kyle disappoints you, he has lost the spurs ZERO games. Bitch about GAsol more plz, he's somebody.

[spursistan]

Bump..

Man, I feel bad for him, it is really not fair to alot anything other than garbage time minutes for him at this point..He completely lost the plot, not knowing what exactly he should do on the court.

I agree with what Harlem said in the other thread, he could actually be served by a trade to a lottery team in order for him to find a niche in pressure-less situation..He is nowhere near good or ready to be in a 10-man rotation of a contender. he embodies what a tricky and awkward basketball fit is when natural talent is found lacking..

[spursistan]

Alas now, though..can he fetch a bag of chips, tbh?

[dabom]

Alas now, though..can he fetch a bag of chips, tbh?

No. :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Alas now, though..can he fetch a bag of chips, tbh?

Highest DRPM among SFs: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/2 :lol

[skulls138]

Definitely lacking confidence right now. He attempted two shots last night and they were pretty pathetic. Hes actually better than that but right now baskets looking like the size of a thimble to him.

[Raven]

he's being used as a defender, nothing wrong with that, but obviously not the best way to make a living. He's far better than shown.

[SAGirl]

he's being used as a defender, nothing wrong with that, but obviously not the best way to make a living. He's far better than shown.
Agreed Raven....

[kaji157]

Here´s hoping we can get a couple of good games out of him and see if we can move him for a early second rounder (probably) or late first (difficult).
We can also try to move Lapro or cut him and try a get a third PG during the mid season waivers.

So far i liked what i´ve seen from Garino so i feel that if Kyle is traded for a pick or something like that the team would at first, call him up, just to check if there´s been any evolution, and wait and see what players get waived.

[raybies]

It's really sad tbh. Pop has forsaken him on offense. He needs some more touches and looks, but I don't think that's his role right now. Would love to see him get the ball on post ups against smaller players at least and let him bring the ball up a tad bid more. From a development standpoint he's getting nuked here, but we have so many other options that need attention I understand why it's so hard to get him any other looks than a spot up three.

[raybies]

Here´s hoping we can get a couple of good games out of him and see if we can move him for a early second rounder (probably) or late first (difficult).
We can also try to move Lapro or cut him and try a get a third PG during the mid season waivers.

So far i liked what i´ve seen from Garino so i feel that if Kyle is traded for a pick or something like that the team would at first, call him up, just to check if there´s been any evolution, and wait and see what players get waived.
I agree about Garino. I'll post my thoughts about him in the Austin thread

[SAGirl]

Kyle is not getting traded to call Garino up TBH... Team already has 3 rooks. They aren't letting a young vet Pop trusts for another rookie. It just ain't happening.

If you tell me about a vet yes, I can see it, but not a rookie... just ain't happening... A rookie for Garino like Forbes, maybe... but they already made that call, so I don't see it either.

[dabom]

WTF is a young vet? Mtfkr is still in his rookie contract. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle Anderson plays like a 42yr old vet tbh

[-21-]

Kyle Anderson plays like a 42yr old vet tbh

:lmao

[tholdren]

Kyle is not getting traded to call Garino up TBH... Team already has 3 rooks. They aren't letting a young vet Pop trusts for another rookie. It just ain't happening.

If you tell me about a vet yes, I can see it, but not a rookie... just ain't happening... A rookie for Garino like Forbes, maybe... but they already made that call, so I don't see it either.

So when are you going to admit you were wrong and I was right?

[Spurs9]

Anderson a vet? :lmao todays posters

[dreamerspur]

What Kaji means is a non-rookie
2 years n some change under a guys belt gives pop some sort of an idea of what he's gonba get out u far more than a rookie would. Hell we aren't even sure if Davis is gonna reveal that he is Bonner's bastard son when the playoffs roll around every year

[kaji157]

Kyle is not getting traded to call Garino up TBH... Team already has 3 rooks. They aren't letting a young vet Pop trusts for another rookie. It just ain't happening.

If you tell me about a vet yes, I can see it, but not a rookie... just ain't happening... A rookie for Garino like Forbes, maybe... but they already made that call, so I don't see it either.

By any means i suggested of replacing Kyle with Garino.
Just that Garino can be called up on a couple of 10-day contracts to check his evolution and replace the roster spot if needed until the Spurs actually replace Anderson with a player waived by other team.
I brought this up, as trading Kyle away now for a pick, will leave us with 14 players for some time. Once a player the Spurs like become available that´s the replacement.

[ceperez]

With so many offensive options on the team, does it even make sense for Anderson to shoot?

[SAGirl]

What Kaji means is a non-rookie
2 years n some change under a guys belt gives pop some sort of an idea of what he's gonba get out u far more than a rookie would. Hell we aren't even sure if Davis is gonna reveal that he is Bonner's bastard son when the playoffs roll around every year
Exactly what I meant. I was also wrong in that this current team had 3 rooks bc they actually have 4!!!

No offense to others but I just don't see Kyle getting cut for a rookie... it's not happening.... but let's leave the troll gm wanna bes continue down that path. Opinions are like a butthole... and you know what everyone says about that...:wakeup

[SAGirl]

With so many offensive options on the team, does it even make sense for Anderson to shoot?
Ppl are hypocritical. I think the only thing that is a problem for Pop is if he were passing up a 3.
He got benched the last time he did that so he's in a tight leash to not pass up perimeter shots. Other than that it seems to be whatever comes his way if anything, by design...

[dabom]

Let's see,

He isn't a starter.

He doesn't get huge minutes.

He has almost zero playoff experience.

Still in rookie contract.

Stop lying to yourself for fucks sake. :lol

[ceperez]

Ppl are hypocritical. I think the only thing that is a problem for Pop is if he were passing up a 3.
He got benched the last time he did that so he's in a tight leash to not pass up perimeter shots. Other than that it seems to be whatever comes his way if anything, by design...

Honestly, I think KA will be a Spur for a long time. He's like Matt Bonner, someone who comes in and doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

[TheGreatYacht]

Honestly, I think KA will be a Spur for a long time. He's like Matt Bonner, someone who has incriminating pictures of Pop

[Kikoluna]

Honestly, I think KA will be a Spur for a long time. He's like Matt Bonner, someone who comes in and doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
Man I hope you are wrong. Matt Bonner at least has a monster 3. Kyle is just garbage.

[apalisoc_9]

Kyle is so a good dude so I feel bad for him but to be the new Matt bonner post 2013..You must be so bad at the game of basketball..

[raybies]

Is kyle the next james anderson?

[sasaint]

Honestly, I think KA will be a Spur for a long time. He's like Matt Bonner, someone who comes in and doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

Man, that's a grim projection. If you are looking for similarities between Bonner and Kyle you might as well add height and speed. :lol The dissimilarities seem far more obvious. Bonner provided a single, important skill while Kyle is a real Jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none.

[timtonymanu]

Pretty insulting to Bonner comparing him to Anderson, tbh. At least Bonner looked like an NBA player during the regular season.

[DAF86]

It's really sad tbh. Pop has forsaken him on offense. He needs some more touches and looks, but I don't think that's his role right now. Would love to see him get the ball on post ups against smaller players at least and let him bring the ball up a tad bid more. From a development standpoint he's getting nuked here, but we have so many other options that need attention I understand why it's so hard to get him any other looks than a spot up three.

What's this about Amderson needing more touches? Kawhi didn't get any "touches" in his first few years, he earned his touches by showing he deserved them while playing on the flow of the offense during those first couple of years. Same thing with Ginobili. If Anderson wants "touches" he has to earn them, but it doesn't seem like he has what it takes to get them, tbh.

[SAGirl]

He doesn't... have you seen how he competes without touching the ball at all or taking a single shot in a game? More than anything he need to be involved bc you don't want guys playing 5 on 4 out there seriously... that's all. He need to shoot when he's open. He's not been as open as ppl claim and doesn't have he burden to score. Ppl who are that critical have no sense for what his role is and what he's supposed to be doing.

The single most important thing is probably to shoot when he's open an to move without the balk to get shots. He's been better at that than he was when the games started and Kawhobe was taking 40% of the possessions and LMA nearly 30%. Even Pay and Tony had to find their grooves in later games.

If ppl don't understand what his role is they just trolling at this point... ain't nobody got time for that :lol

[benefactor]

^I think the more likely explanation is he's just not that good

[gambit1990]

Kyle is not getting traded to call Garino up TBH... Team already has 3 rooks. They aren't letting a young vet Pop trusts for another rookie. It just ain't happening.
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.png

so you become a vet in nba after your sophomore year? :lmao

[Leetonidas]

“young vet” :lmao wtf

[sasaint]

He doesn't... have you seen how he competes without touching the ball at all or taking a single shot in a game? More than anything he need to be involved bc you don't want guys playing 5 on 4 out there seriously... that's all. He need to shoot when he's open. He's not been as open as ppl claim and doesn't have he burden to score. Ppl who are that critical have no sense for what his role is and what he's supposed to be doing.

The single most important thing is probably to shoot when he's open an to move without the balk to get shots. He's been better at that than he was when the games started and Kawhobe was taking 40% of the possessions and LMA nearly 30%. Even Pay and Tony had to find their grooves in later games.

If ppl don't understand what his role is they just trolling at this point... ain't nobody got time for that :lol

Competing is what we see too little of once Summer League ends. I have seen him show flashes of excellent intensity on a few plays. I have been especially impressed by his ability to box out and rebound against larger, more athletic bigs. But in balance, those kinds of plays seem increasingly (which is even more cause for concern) the exception not the rule. You look at the post-game stats, and his line is embarrassingly bare. His dribbling (driving?) seems aimless, and his movement without the ball is worse. Playing within the framework of the offense is one thing, playing aimlessly and with little intensity is quite another.

I think you know that I am not trolling. I was willing to fish with Kyle for a long time, but it is now time to cut bait. I honestly don't know what the guy's role is, and I am not sure he does either. I said a while ago that I fear Pop has filled Kyle's plate too full. I think it would have been much better for Kyle and the Spurs if Pop had just given him one role to start his career, let him get comfortable in that role, and then expanded it incrementally. In retrospect, trying to utilize a 20-year-old kid as Boris light was a big mistake. Perhaps a fresh start with a new coach/team in a well-defined role would enable Kyle to play with some passion and focus and, hopefully, restart his young career. Don't see that happening with the Spurs, though.

[skulls138]

Right now hes got no mojo going. Im sure Pop wanted him do all the non-scoring things, hes good at screening, but not being aggressive, whether its from Pops instructions or not has taken its toll on his confidence. The last game he almost air balled a three he aimed so hard at and before that he did a very nervous looking floater that looked horrible, and thats his shot.

He also got burned guarding someone, so badly in fact, that he didnt even have time to have his ankles broken, he was guarding air. This isnt good for his confidence either. Basically he isnt being used for his strengths at all and if you dont use him for his strengths hes useless. Hes a baller not an athlete, so he needs to ball. Yes he needs a shot but at the same time you cant say "get a shot or nothing", you have to allow him to create or you waste the pick.

I think the good thing is that he looked sooo bad that itll wake him up. We need players with mental toughness and now hes got real motivation to show some, with his career in the balance and all.

[jermaine]

I feel bad.... I won't even play Anderson over Simmons on NBA 2k17! He has a 74 rating an Simmons has a 70.... But IDC, that nigga gets no burn with me!

[YGWHI]

If ppl don't understand what his role is they just trolling at this point... ain't nobody got time for that :lol

I really liked that some Spurs BBall sites weren't judging Kyle so hard.

http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/bench-briefings-grading-the-juice-unit/

Then I looked at their Lee and Dedmon grades and I was like...WTF?

[ernest787]

Anyone who still thinks Kyle is a NBA player is trolling themselves.

Kyle is not the new Bonner. Bonner actually had a NBA skill. Fathead needs to go play in Europe.

[SAGirl]

Competing is what we see too little of once Summer League ends. I have seen him show flashes of excellent intensity on a few plays. I have been especially impressed by his ability to box out and rebound against larger, more athletic bigs. But in balance, those kinds of plays seem increasingly (which is even more cause for concern) the exception not the rule. You look at the post-game stats, and his line is embarrassingly bare. His dribbling (driving?) seems aimless, and his movement without the ball is worse. Playing within the framework of the offense is one thing, playing aimlessly and with little intensity is quite another.

I think you know that I am not trolling. I was willing to fish with Kyle for a long time, but it is now time to cut bait. I honestly don't know what the guy's role is, and I am not sure he does either. I said a while ago that I fear Pop has filled Kyle's plate too full. I think it would have been much better for Kyle and the Spurs if Pop had just given him one role to start his career, let him get comfortable in that role, and then expanded it incrementally. In retrospect, trying to utilize a 20-year-old kid as Boris light was a big mistake. Perhaps a fresh start with a new coach/team in a well-defined role would enable Kyle to play with some passion and focus and, hopefully, restart his young career. Don't see that happening with the Spurs, though.
I am in an uncomfortable to type in tablet but watch him here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6UuZa5R6KU4

His defense is legit. Although it doesn't look it his defense has been at an elite level for two seasons and against starting level competition at this point in very different lineups. He just does a lot of shit that is not recorded. He basically snuffed out 4+ layups in transition by himself in that clip but bc it wasn't a flashy shot block it doesn't show anywhere. He stole the ball twice and got 8 boards and 3 assists, but bc he only scored 2 points ppl will hate. He does stuff like that regularly that's why he's still playing. Last game he snuffed out Ingram, who had been hot prior to the game. Ingram drew fouls on Bertans and scores on Lee, but couldn't do anything with Kawhi or Kyle.

Kyle is very legit it blocking out and showing awareness for boards. He might have still been a draft rookie this season and is still young playing a role to start the season that was ill suited for him.

He's still developing specially confidence as a shooter and that is really a developing aspect in his game. We shall see but his shot looks improved, it's his confidence and willingness to shoot from deep thats been missing. When the season started the starters were not really moving the ball well and they were working to get others, more important guys going. IMO the pressure on him right now is with his shooting. It's still early in the season... but it's also hard to tell if Pop is really looking to maximize what he can do or whether he will fit in better elsewhere, a real possibility too.

[elemento]

I know it's like a fad to hate him in the board, but I am in the minority flow here. I still believe in Kyle.

[Brazil]

I know it's like a fad to hate him in the board, but I am in the minority flow here. I still believe in Kyle.

:lol you must be a believer then... you probably also believed Brazil would qualify against Germany I guess

[sasaint]

I am in an uncomfortable to type in tablet but watch him here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6UuZa5R6KU4

His defense is legit. Although it doesn't look it his defense has been at an elite level for two seasons and against starting level competition at this point in very different lineups. He just does a lot of shit that is not recorded. He basically snuffed out 4+ layups in transition by himself in that clip but bc it wasn't a flashy shot block it doesn't show anywhere. He stole the ball twice and got 8 boards and 3 assists, but bc he only scored 2 points ppl will hate. He does stuff like that regularly that's why he's still playing. Last game he snuffed out Ingram, who had been hot prior to the game. Ingram drew fouls on Bertans and scores on Lee, but couldn't do anything with Kawhi or Kyle.

Kyle is very legit it blocking out and showing awareness for boards. He might have still been a draft rookie this season and is still young playing a role to start the season that was ill suited for him.

He's still developing specially confidence as a shooter and that is really a developing aspect in his game. We shall see but his shot looks improved, it's his confidence and willingness to shoot from deep thats been missing. When the season started the starters were not really moving the ball well and they were working to get others, more important guys going. IMO the pressure on him right now is with his shooting. It's still early in the season... but it's also hard to tell if Pop is really looking to maximize what he can do or whether he will fit in better elsewhere, a real possibility too.

Thanks for the link. That was the first Sacramento game, probably his best game of the year - and the box score did, indeed, reflect his level of play. We just don't see enough of that level of intensity. His defense is legit, but not elite. He simply needs a better offensive game to go with it. Perhaps Pop plans on just plugging him into the second unit when Manu is gone...and he will be a "utility" player until then. I just doubt that he will find his niche with the Spurs.

[raybies]

I haven't given up on him either but I'm frustrated with him to some degree. IMO his best role is like a draymond/randle role. You can play thru him at the high post, run cuts and screens for shooters like the Lakers and Warriors do. Let him bring the ball up on rebounds. He can pass well, rebound well. He's just the opposite of a volume shooter. Even in college he averaged 14 points 8 rebs 6 as his sophomore year. He was the focal point on offense and the only averaged 14. He likes to get others involved. I just don't understand how they develop him in the summer but leave him on an island on the big squad. At this point I think it's by design, no way he's playing like that because that's how he is. Like the said before, he's at the bottom of the totem pole.

[bklynspursfan]

Thanks for the link. That was the first Sacramento game, probably his best game of the year - and the box score did, indeed, reflect his level of play. We just don't see enough of that level of intensity. His defense is legit, but not elite. He simply needs a better offensive game to go with it. Perhaps Pop plans on just plugging him into the second unit when Manu is gone...and he will be a "utility" player until then. I just doubt that he will find his niche with the Spurs.

Yea, and I've seen times where he gets caught ball watching while his man cuts to the basket or is open for a shot and he has to then run (at his speed) to contest a shot. So I think he's good defensively, and he has good size/length which helps, but I'm hoping he can be a bit smarter at times with the limited minutes he's seeing. For his sake, he's probably gotta be great on defense consistently if he wants to get consistent playing time.

[bklynspursfan]

I haven't given up on him either but I'm frustrated with him to some degree. IMO his best role is like a draymond/randle role. You can play thru him at the high post, run cuts and screens for shooters like the Lakers and Warriors do. Let him bring the ball up on rebounds. He can pass well, rebound well. He's just the opposite of a volume shooter. Even in college he averaged 14 points 8 rebs 6 as his sophomore year. He was the focal point on offense and the only averaged 14. He likes to get others involved. I just don't understand how they develop him in the summer but leave him on an island on the big squad. At this point I think it's by design, no way he's playing like that because that's how he is. Like the said before, he's at the bottom of the totem pole.

It seems that is like what Diaw was doing at times for us, and what seems like Lee is doing now for us.

It really has to be mental with him, I mean I've seen guys play one way in sort of a stress/pressure free environment, then when it comes time for the real action, they are a different player. He just seems unsure of himself at times, even when he has the ball, he'll dribble into traffic and just seem a bit lost. It's like night & day with now and the Summer league

[Chinook]

I do think the Spurs' ceiling is lower with him not playing very well. Obviously, there are a ton of fans who don't gauge what he does well and instead only focus on the bad things. But at the same time, he can't get away with having so many bad things. He has too many mental hangups when he tries to score. His path to realizing his potential has always gone through him figuring out how to dictate the angles. Because he doesn't know that he's going to have to try to score when he gets the ball, he puts himself in bad positions.

Until he says to hell with fitting in on offense and just decides to force his own offense, he'll never start moving into an optimal position. He can always have his green-light reduced. I just want it lit first. Right now the bench still doesn't have a go-to scorer, and that's showing up against some teams already.

[sasaint]

I do think the Spurs' ceiling is lower with him not playing very well. Obviously, there are a ton of fans who don't gauge what he does well and instead only focus on the bad things. But at the same time, he can't get away with having so many bad things. He has too many mental hangups when he tries to score. His path to realizing his potential has always gone through him figuring out how to dictate the angles. Because he doesn't know that he's going to have to try to score when he gets the ball, he puts himself in bad positions.

Until he says to hell with fitting in on offense and just decides to force his own offense, he'll never start moving into an optimal position. He can always have his green-light reduced. I just want it lit first. Right now the bench still doesn't have a go-to scorer, and that's showing up against some teams already.

Good observations about Kyle's essentially needing to find his "spots". But I don't think he needs to force his own offense, just aggressively seize the opportunities that present themselves. Under Pop's watch, the only player who succeded in saying "to hell with fitting in" and forced his own offense was Manu. For Kyle that would probably incur Pop's wrath. Maybe you and I are just splitting hairs between "forcing" and "aggressively seizing".

[r0drig0lac]

I feel bad.... I won't even play Anderson over Simmons on NBA 2k17! He has a 74 rating an Simmons has a 70.... But IDC, that nigga gets no burn with me!

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[SAGirl]

Thanks for the link. That was the first Sacramento game, probably his best game of the year - and the box score did, indeed, reflect his level of play. We just don't see enough of that level of intensity. His defense is legit, but not elite. He simply needs a better offensive game to go with it. Perhaps Pop plans on just plugging him into the second unit when Manu is gone...and he will be a "utility" player until then. I just doubt that he will find his niche with the Spurs.

The "utility" role is what is being asked of him currently. What you saw is what Pop wants... it doesn't mean that's all he can do, but it is what they needed. He was a 5th option in the SL at a time they were figuring themselves out with a very high usage Kawhi and LMA. A utilitarian guy is exactly what Pop wanted... which is what Danny has been, but obviously a better shooter and quality as a defender... But you are judging him harshly when most of his minutes were in that role... he had to be more aggressive with his 3 pt shot if open than he was, but other than that, he was providing what they needed. The only game Simmons started for the season wasn't very different for Simmons either. It's just what is asked of the SG in the Spurs system currently is precisely the utilitarian stuff + the 3 pt shot. That group is talented and has much better players that will use most of the possessions, the vast majority in fact.

The bench also has a veteran group. Pop is putting a lot on Patty's basket and he's playing very well, why alter that? Then Pop has Manu as a security blanket and Lee, who has played well as well. The other guys are complementary guys. Even Simmons, who hasn't hit a single 3 in any other game but the GSW and has not been producing much lately (has statpadded in garbage time, if you take those FT from garbage time out he'd be scoring much less too...). It's just that those guys are meant to take whatever is there and that varies from game to game depending on who and how they are defended, etc. It's by design.

The Sac game wasn't his only good game. His best game was the Pistons game, but there are no highlights of it (he scored efficiently and didn't pass up shots, even hit 1 of 2 3s he attempted and he was defending fine on KCP, etc). After that he's played little. It's just how it is. Small sample size playing out of position in a utilitarian role and well, bring on the hecklers...

[philldafunk]

I was looking at the post the Spurs made on FB, when he was at some HEB off 281. People in the comments were letting him have it, so I think it's not just the people of ST who thinks he stinks.

[raybies]

It seems that is like what Diaw was doing at times for us, and what seems like Lee is doing now for us.

It really has to be mental with him, I mean I've seen guys play one way in sort of a stress/pressure free environment, then when it comes time for the real action, they are a different player. He just seems unsure of himself at times, even when he has the ball, he'll dribble into traffic and just seem a bit lost. It's like night & day with now and the Summer league

Yeah David Lee really took his spot tbh because David is at his best as a pf, I assume pop feels that way too since he almost exclusively plays pf and is paired with LMA and Pau. But I think Kyle is earning pops trust for all the garbage work he's done

[SAGirl]

I do think the Spurs' ceiling is lower with him not playing very well. Obviously, there are a ton of fans who don't gauge what he does well and instead only focus on the bad things. But at the same time, he can't get away with having so many bad things. He has too many mental hangups when he tries to score. His path to realizing his potential has always gone through him figuring out how to dictate the angles. Because he doesn't know that he's going to have to try to score when he gets the ball, he puts himself in bad positions.

Until he says to hell with fitting in on offense and just decides to force his own offense, he'll never start moving into an optimal position. He can always have his green-light reduced. I just want it lit first. Right now the bench still doesn't have a go-to scorer, and that's showing up against some teams already.
I see your point, though it's early and Kyle playing with the starters most of his minutes wasn't what he was going to do for the season. So it's tough to judge overall since most of his minutes have come in a strict role.

It takes time to develop chemistry with the bigs and he's really played very little with them, even in scrimmages or practices he was in the SL. And he still looks to pass to the big a lot, which means he's not looking for his shot primarily coming off a pick, which has resulted in him being taken out his own windows of opportunity to score until he waits for the big to get in position for the pass, sometimes leaving him with a tough shot for himself, when the pass is taken away due to defense recovering, instead of coming off the pick with the intention to score initially (I saw that specifically happen in the Pelicans game). I think that's your point. The bench is primarily PNR heavy and he probably needs to be more aggressive for himself coming off a pick than looking to pass.

I will note he's run very little with the bench overall and in the summer the guy the Spurs spent a lot of time and resources trying to refine his reads on the PNR was Simmons. That's just the truth. I share in rabies frustration of Spurs asking Kyle to work on some things in the summer and then not using those on games and asking him to do something entirely different than what he's worked on.

Pop infuriated me a little when he said Kyle could play the 1,3 or 4. Ill be honest. He's never played the 1 in the SL or even in the dleague so that's a bit hypocritical of Pop. It was never his intention to play him as a 1. He also got both Bertans and Lee and he wasn't aiming to play Kyle as a 4 other than a few situational occasions, so it's clear to me that he is ideally a 3, but he wasn't asked to work on the PNR as a ballhandlers in the summer, so he's been placed in la la land, which means nowhere exactly. They have asked him to play very differently than the game they asked him to develop. He's therefore less ready than others to do what is asked and is developing his PNR game as the season goes.

I am just hoping he gains and maintains confidence as a 3 pts shooter bc no matter what spot he's ultimately playing, it will be a necessity for his career to hit that shot better and this season it seems that's basically what they need.

It's still early though... again still early.

[sasaint]

The "utility" role is what is being asked of him currently. What you saw is what Pop wants... it doesn't mean that's all he can do, but it is what they needed. He was a 5th option in the SL at a time they were figuring themselves out with a very high usage Kawhi and LMA. A utilitarian guy is exactly what Pop wanted... which is what Danny has been, but obviously a better shooter and quality as a defender... But you are judging him harshly when most of his minutes were in that role... he had to be more aggressive with his 3 pt shot if open than he was, but other than that, he was providing what they needed. The only game Simmons started for the season wasn't very different for Simmons either. It's just what is asked of the SG in the Spurs system currently is precisely the utilitarian stuff + the 3 pt shot. That group is talented and has much better players that will use most of the possessions, the vast majority in fact.

The bench also has a veteran group. Pop is putting a lot on Patty's basket and he's playing very well, why alter that? Then Pop has Manu as a security blanket and Lee, who has played well as well. The other guys are complementary guys. Even Simmons, who hasn't hit a single 3 in any other game but the GSW and has not been producing much lately (has statpadded in garbage time, if you take those FT from garbage time out he'd be scoring much less too...). It's just that those guys are meant to take whatever is there and that varies from game to game depending on who and how they are defended, etc. It's by design.

The Sac game wasn't his only good game. His best game was the Pistons game, but there are no highlights of it (he scored efficiently and didn't pass up shots, even hit 1 of 2 3s he attempted and he was defending fine on KCP, etc). After that he's played little. It's just how it is. Small sample size playing out of position in a utilitarian role and well, bring on the hecklers...

The comparison with Danny is not a good one. Danny has a very well-defined role. He is a prototypical 3-and-D wing. What I was suggesting by borrowing the "utility player" tag from baseball is that Kyle (in contrast to Danny) has no clearly defined role - by Pop's design, as you note. I think that really hurts Kyle. Perhaps with the starting unit intact and Kyle's returning to the bench, we will get a better idea of what Pop has in mind for Kyle. Even then Kyle is competing with Simmons and Bertans (even Lee to some extent) for not the same position/role but for the same minutes. Leaving Bertans aside, what is the second unit out of Dedmon, Lee, Kyle, Simmons, Patty, Manu? Is it totally matchup dependent (when hardly anything Pop does seems to be)?

[sasaint]

Pop infuriated me a little when he said Kyle could play the 1,3 or 4. Ill be honest. He's never played the 1 in the SL or even in the dleague so that's a bit hypocritical of Pop. It was never his intention to play him as a 1. He also got both Bertans and Lee and he wasn't aiming to play Kyle as a 4 other than a few situational occasions, so it's clear to me that he is ideally a 3, but he wasn't asked to work on the PNR as a ballhandlers in the summer, so he's been placed in la la land, which means nowhere exactly. They have asked him to play very differently than the game they asked him to develop. He's therefore less ready than others to do what is asked and is developing his PNR game as the season goes.

You and I say a lot of the same things about Kyle. You just see the Kyle cup as half full, while I have come to see it as half empty. :lol However, on this one we will just have to disagree. Kyle is not a 1, nor a 2, nor with Lee and Bertans on the team, a 4. And with his lack of quickness, Kyle was never "ideally a 3". Therefore, his optimal value is as a piece in a trade before Pop has another season to completely expose what Kyle is not.

[SAGirl]

The comparison with Danny is not a good one. Danny has a very well-defined role. He is a prototypical 3-and-D wing. What I was suggesting by borrowing the "utility player" tag from baseball is that Kyle (in contrast to Danny) has no clearly defined role - by Pop's design, as you note. I think that really hurts Kyle. Perhaps with the starting unit intact and Kyle's returning to the bench, we will get a better idea of what Pop has in mind for Kyle. Even then Kyle is competing with Simmons and Bertans (even Lee to some extent) for not the same position/role but for the same minutes. Leaving Bertans aside, what is the second unit out of Dedmon, Lee, Kyle, Simmons, Patty, Manu? Is it totally matchup dependent (when hardly anything Pop does seems to be)?
I guess I misinterpreted the term, but most of Kyle's minutes this season have come in filling for Danny so I thought that's what you referenced.

In the bench if he's playing the 3 they need him to hit perimeter shots and provide space bc both bigs like the paint and the bench doesn't have enough shooting. Manu himself has been hitting the 3 and frequently bailing out possessions that don't result in a good shot once they have run the system to its conclusion. Note that this has been regardless of Kyle, since he's played there so little. I have said they will struggle to score in the half court at times bc they don't have that much shooting. Their redemption has been that they have been good on defense thus generating opportunities in transition off good defensive play that Simmons has been able to take advantage of.

In that situation he probably needs to be more aggressive with his shot coming off a pick for a midrange shot or a dish to someone if they rotate to contest his shot. He's a good enough midrange shooter that he can burn teams coming off a pick and he has exhibited a dangerous floater that's near impossible to block as he's very tall/long. I think with time he could develop chemistry with the bigs to dish to them too. But we haven't seen enough of that to say and Pop is not taking the ball from Patty who is playing well or Manu. His role is not clear to me bc he has played little with them though.

[apalisoc_9]

Way too much and way too long of an analysis for a guy that will most likely not play in most playoff games.

[SAGirl]

You and I say a lot of the same things about Kyle. You just see the Kyle cup as half full, while I have come to see it as half empty. :lol However, on this one we will just have to disagree. Kyle is not a 1, nor a 2, nor with Lee and Bertans on the team, a 4. And with his lack of quickness, Kyle was never "ideally a 3". Therefore, his optimal value is as a piece in a trade before Pop has another season to completely expose what Kyle is not.
Fair enough. I am more optimistic, but I respect dissent. :tu

[TD 21]

The "utility" role is what is being asked of him currently. What you saw is what Pop wants... it doesn't mean that's all he can do, but it is what they needed. He was a 5th option in the SL at a time they were figuring themselves out with a very high usage Kawhi and LMA. A utilitarian guy is exactly what Pop wanted... which is what Danny has been, but obviously a better shooter and quality as a defender... But you are judging him harshly when most of his minutes were in that role... he had to be more aggressive with his 3 pt shot if open than he was, but other than that, he was providing what they needed. The only game Simmons started for the season wasn't very different for Simmons either. It's just what is asked of the SG in the Spurs system currently is precisely the utilitarian stuff + the 3 pt shot. That group is talented and has much better players that will use most of the possessions, the vast majority in fact.

Small sample size playing out of position in a utilitarian role and well, bring on the hecklers...

2+ years, for a middling prospect to begin with, is not a small sample size and the notion that virtually any team, let alone an elite one, should cater to said player is insane.

He's utilized as a "utility" player by default because the closest he comes to specializing in something is defensive rebounding and no off ball wing is going to cement rotation spot based on that.

That's always been the problem with him: not talented enough to play on ball and not suited to playing off ball.

[MaNu4Tres]

2+ years, for a middling prospect to begin with, is not a small sample size and the notion that virtually any team, let alone an elite one, should cater to said player is insane.

He's utilized as a "utility" player by default because the closest he comes to specializing in something is defensive rebounding and no off ball wing is going to cement rotation spot based on that.

That's always been the problem with him: not talented enough to play on ball and not suited to playing off ball.

This. All of this.

[sasaint]

2+ years, for a middling prospect to begin with, is not a small sample size and the notion that virtually any team, let alone an elite one, should cater to said player is insane.

Indeed, a reasonable sample size, and to my eyes, Kyle is just stagnant, not really improving appreciably in any aspect of the game. "Catering" to such a player surely would be insane, but failing initially to put said player in a position to succeed or to maximize whatever skill set he has is not smart, either.


He's utilized as a "utility" player by default because the closest he comes to specializing in something is defensive rebounding and no off ball wing is going to cement rotation spot based on that.
I coined the "utility player" tag in this discussion to reflect how Pop had used him, not so much his skill set (or lack thereof). In addition to being good on the defensive boards, he is also an effective team defender - although as bklynspursfan noted he does suffer from lapses of concentration. Bruce Bowen he isn't, so he definitely needs at least one reliable offensive move to ever hope to become a rotation player.


That's always been the problem with him: not talented enough to play on ball and not suited to playing off ball.

Actually, he is pretty talented on-ball, BUT NOT at the 1, 2 or 3. I really want to know why he is not "suited" to playing off-ball, in your opinion. To me "suitability" refers to some inherent quality of a player. I don't think of any player as being inherently unsuited to playing off-ball. I think playing off-ball is a skill that any player can develop as long as he is dedicated enough to learn about spacing and timing. Consequently, I fail to comprehend why Kyle isn't at all good at playing off the ball.

Frankly, he reminds me of myself in the 7th grade. Coach taught us our sets and plays, which I learned perfectly. After games, I complained to my dad about my lack of touches. He said that I couldn't just go to my "spot" on the floor and expect to get the ball; I had to move. Somebody needs tell that to Kyle. His passivity is very frustrating.

[100%duncan]

The fact that people have to highlight his "good things" microscopically speaks volumes how this guy fucking sucks. 2+ years of "experience" and this guy still doesn't have it.

[100%duncan]

Nice putback!!!!!

[skin27]

Where is LMA?

[ElNono]

water is wet, mexicans are rapists thread, tbh...

[timtonymanu]

Add Simmons to that list too. Even though he's a better player than Kyle at this point. I knew his game against the Warriors was too good to be true. And I don't expect either of them to suddenly turn it on in the playoffs.

[apalisoc_9]

Do Kyle fans really think that Kyle anderson being utilized a utility role player is only temporary and he would have an increased role goi ng forward?

What do these people eat to conclude that Anderson deserves to be treated like a Lottery drafted Player?

SAgirl litterly thinks he deserves the same kind of investment as kawhi got during his 2012-2014 years...Completely ignoring the fact that Kawhi was a beast even in his rookie year.

:lol

[dabom]

Do Kyle fans really think that Kyle anderson being utilized a utility role player is only temporary and he would have an increased role goi ng forward?

What do these people eat to conclude that Anderson deserves to be treated like a Lottery drafted Player?

SAgirl litterly thinks he deserves the same kind of investment as kawhi got during his 2012-2014 years...Completely ignoring the fact that Kawhi was a beast even in his rookie year.

:lol

Obviously Pop isn't using Kyle to his strengths...

[apalisoc_9]

Add Simmons to that list too. Even though he's a better player than Kyle at this point. I knew his game against the Warriors was too good to be true. And I don't expect either of them to suddenly turn it on in the playoffs.

Simmons is so bad defensively, its laughable. But he's got a better understanding on how to play offball than Anderson so he most likely will keep his job.

[Spurtacular]

Kyle Anderson with 2 points and 2 boards tonight in 13 mins and giving up a free game tying three look at the end. Don't know what we would've done without him.

[TD 21]

Indeed, a reasonable sample size, and to my eyes, Kyle is just stagnant, not really improving appreciably in any aspect of the game. "Catering" to such a player surely would be insane, but failing initially to put said player in a position to succeed or to maximize whatever skill set he has is not smart, either.


I coined the "utility player" tag in this discussion to reflect how Pop had used him, not so much his skill set (or lack thereof). In addition to being good on the defensive boards, he is also an effective team defender - although as bklynspursfan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=25024) noted he does suffer from lapses of concentration. Bruce Bowen he isn't, so he definitely needs at least one reliable offensive move to ever hope to become a rotation player.



Actually, he is pretty talented on-ball, BUT NOT at the 1, 2 or 3. I really want to know why he is not "suited" to playing off-ball, in your opinion. To me "suitability" refers to some inherent quality of a player. I don't think of any player as being inherently unsuited to playing off-ball. I think playing off-ball is a skill that any player can develop as long as he is dedicated enough to learn about spacing and timing. Consequently, I fail to comprehend why Kyle isn't at all good at playing off the ball.

Frankly, he reminds me of myself in the 7th grade. Coach taught us our sets and plays, which I learned perfectly. After games, I complained to my dad about my lack of touches. He said that I couldn't just go to my "spot" on the floor and expect to get the ball; I had to move. Somebody needs tell that to Kyle. His passivity is very frustrating.


That's just it: Anderson is not good enough for any team, let alone an elite one, to go out of their way to do what would supposedly be best for him, if it wouldn't also be best for the team.

His fanboys/girls love to cite the stats that suggest he's an effective team defender, but those same stats suggested West was a very good defender last season and Lee is a good one so far this season, yet they're not treated as the gospel. Also, even if he is, that's also not cementing a rotation spot as an off ball wing.

I said he's not talented enough to be on ball. It's simple: he doesn't shoot the 3 well, quickly, frequently or confidently enough, to function as an off ball wing. This is the NBA, not grade school; you need specific skills to function in certain roles.

[spurraider21]

I do think the Spurs' ceiling is lower with him not playing very well.
i mean, isn't this true for every player on every team?

[Chinook]

i mean, isn't this true for every player on every team?

Eh, I don't think Forbes not reaching his ceiling is a big deal. Anderson should be a top-seven guy on the roster and perfect for small-ball. But instead, dude's playing like an 11th man. The lack of clear internal improvement from the young guys really hampers the team's future. Hope that changes.

[apalisoc_9]

I wish we could just trade anderson for holis thompson...

[SAGirl]

Eh, I don't think Forbes not reaching his ceiling is a big deal. Anderson should be a top-seven guy on the roster and perfect for small-ball. But instead, dude's playing like an 11th man. The lack of clear internal improvement from the young guys really hampers the team's future. Hope that changes.
Completely understand and I agree... sad really... more than something guys should be cheering for.

It's actually a bit of a loss for the team that he's playing less certain of himself than he was to finish last season...

[tholdren]

Eh, I don't think Forbes not reaching his ceiling is a big deal. Anderson should be a top-seven guy on the roster and perfect for small-ball. But instead, dude's playing like an 11th man. The lack of clear internal improvement from the young guys really hampers the team's future. Hope that changes.

Kyle Anderson needs to attack the basket and get his assist game up.

[gambit1990]

Kyle is not getting traded to call Garino up TBH... Team already has 3 rooks. They aren't letting a young vet Pop trusts for another rookie.

WTF is a young vet? Mtfkr is still in his rookie contract. :lmao

Kyle Anderson plays like a 42yr old vet tbh

:lmao

Anderson a vet? :lmao todays posters

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/993/875/084.png

so you become a vet in nba after your sophomore year? :lmao

“young vet” :lmao wtf

[SAGirl]

someone is seriously butthurt and it ain't me.
It's funny actually.

[gambit1990]

someone is seriously butthurt and it ain't me.
It's funny actually.
what's a "young vet"? your words :lmao

[sasaint]

what's a "young vet"? your words :lmao

I'd say a player that has 3, 4, maybe 5 years experience - depending on his age. Probably less than 24 years old. "Young vet" may have a slightly fluid meaning, but I get it.

[gambit1990]

I'd say a player that has 3, 4, maybe 5 years experience - depending on his age. Probably less than 24 years old. "Young vet" may have a slightly fluid meaning, but I get it.
:lmao

dude, calling a player a "young vet" after their 2nd year is fucking stupid.

[gambit1990]

just some from page 1:

Waiting for SAgirl to respond.

but sagirl said he's already proven himself in the nba :lol

SAgirl got mad at me when I called Kyle a Role Player..

:lol
:lmao

[K...]

It's cool to bump and 8 month old thread to start an argument about the self contradicting term "young vet.."

Definitely not a pointless subjective argument. Cool.

[vander]

I hope the Spurs re-sign Kyle, I think he'll continue to slowly get better for a long time.

[gambit1990]

It's cool to bump and 8 month old thread to start an argument about the self contradicting term "young vet.."

Definitely not a pointless subjective argument. Cool.
>drafted at what, 21?
>after two seasons is a "young vet" :lmao

get the fuck outta here :lol

i also agree with OP in general.

had to bump this to remind SAGirl how how amazingly shortsighted she is.

she tried calling me out. she lost.

[DPG21920]

What does the fact SA called you out have to do with this? Even if you're contention is that she was wrong with this that by default doesn't make you not a dummy :lol

[rastaspur]

Gambit going full blown rain man. Memorizing a phone book is probably more productive though. Stick to that.

[gambit1990]

Gambit going full blown rain man. Memorizing a phone book is probably more productive though. Stick to that.

Six weeks of being in a gym can yield results. Back when I played ball daily for several hours I would always go shoot and play by myself and work on moves, pivots, footwork that I would see watching nba games.

My goal was to add a new move every week to expand my arsenal. And then to keep fine tuning my existing moves.

In a 6 week period over the summer I managed to add several ginobili moves, spin moves, and a shit ton of post moves.

Yeah, so 6 weeks of work would have put you on an NBA level of skill level?
So easy bro...
My Gawd! A few weeks of training at the YMCA and I got mad post skills!

[Chinook]

Still better than Simmons though.

[raybies]

Omg gambit do me, do me! I think your takes are crap too lol What dirt you gonna dig on me.

[dabom]

what's a "young vet"? your words :lmao

Oxymoron shit. :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao

I remember when his pumpers wanted to cut Simmons to make room for Garino, Laprovittola, and Forbes

[EIC]

I hope the Spurs re-sign Kyle, I think he'll continue to slowly get better for a long time.

What you did there, I see it.

[cd98]

Kyle has been mostly horrible with that game where he repeatedly missed layups and his hesitation to shoot when he's wide open. I haven't been a huge fan, but I definitely think he'll be better than Simmons long term. Simmons is a fringe NBA player who can look great one minute and truly awful the next. But at 28 Simmons has no time to get better and will only lose his athletics more. Anderson has several years to improve and I could see him being a starter or rotation player if he gets to be a 38% 3 point shooter that doesn't hesitate.

[TheGreatYacht]

You know you're shit when the people that want to believe in you only have to say "Well, he's 24. So there's that." & "There's nowhere to go but up."

This scrub is China bound when that rookie contract is up. Thank god.

[buttsR4rebounding]

You know you're shit when the people that want to believe in you only have to say "Well, he's 24. So there's that." & "There's nowhere to go but up."

This scrub is China bound when that rookie contract is up. Thank god.
Kyle will post career highs across the board. He will be either the starting 4 or the 2nd big off the bench. His best position is now a position of need. I see him averaging 9, 6, 3, 1 and 1 this year.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle will post career highs across the board. He will be either the starting 4 or the 2nd big off the bench. His best position is now a position of need. I see him averaging 9, 6, 3, 1 and 1 this year.
He averages 3 points per game, and 9 points Per36 for his career. Expecting 9 points from this bum is suicide. Not even Ginobili averaged 9 points last year and he always had the ball in his hands....

It will probably look something like this.
20 MP, 5ppg, 4rpg, 2apg, <1spg, <1bpg, 42FG%, 31 3P%

[SAGirl]

I wouldn't predict anything but this was him in the playoffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLngbjVLWRk
These were his stats:
Playoffs Advanced


Rk


Age
G
MP
PER
TS%
3PAr
FTr
ORB%
DRB%
TRB%
AST%
STL%
BLK%
TOV%
USG%

OWS
DWS
WS
▼
WS/48

OBPM
DBPM
BPM
VORP


1
Kawhi Leonard (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html)
25
12 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01/gamelog/2017/)
429
31.5
.672
.272
.505
4.9
20.8
12.5
22.3
2.4
1.4
9.5
28.2

2.3
0.5
2.8
.314

8.7
2.6
11.3
1.4


2
Kyle Anderson (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01.html)
23
15 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderky01/gamelog/2017/)
195
21.6
.603
.156
.172
6.8
21.0
13.6
20.1
2.6
1.0
9.2
17.2

0.5
0.2
0.8
.187

2.2
3.1
5.2
0.4


3
Pau Gasol (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html)
36
16 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01/gamelog/2017/)
365
15.1
.494
.158
.211
11.9
24.7
18.0
12.4
1.0
4.1
12.6
17.3

0.3
0.4
0.7
.093

-1.4
4.0
2.6
0.4


4
LaMarcus Aldridge (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html)
31
16 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01/gamelog/2017/)
537
15.2
.500
.058
.229
8.9
17.0
12.8
7.2
1.0
2.9
9.6
24.1

0.2
0.4
0.6
.058

-2.7
1.4
-1.3
0.1


5
Patty Mills (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02.html)
28
16 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa02/gamelog/2017/)
416
11.6
.551
.636
.157
1.3
8.4
4.7
15.1
1.6
0.2
12.3
18.2

0.4
0.2
0.6
.070

0.9
-0.3
0.6
0.3


6
Jonathon Simmons (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmojo02.html)
27
15 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmojo02/gamelog/2017/)
306
15.0
.528
.272
.228
3.3
7.5
5.3
15.3
1.5
0.6
6.8
23.2

0.4
0.2
0.6
.090

0.4
-0.8
-0.4
0.1


7
Tony Parker (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01.html)
34
8 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parketo01/gamelog/2017/)
211
19.5
.616
.196
.144
1.1
10.3
5.5
20.4
1.0
0.0
10.4
24.2

0.5
0.1
0.6
.139

2.1
-1.4
0.7
0.1


8
Danny Green (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html)
29
16 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02/gamelog/2017/)
436
9.6
.529
.685
.126
3.3
12.2
7.6
7.3
1.2
3.4
12.7
13.6

0.1
0.3
0.5
.051

-0.8
2.7
2.0
0.4


9
Manu Ginobili (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html)
39
16 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01/gamelog/2017/)
284
14.1
.495
.412
.237
3.9
12.3
7.9
20.1
2.9
0.7
10.1
18.6

0.3
0.3
0.5
.092

0.3
1.8
2.1
0.3


10
David Lee (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html)
33
15 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02/gamelog/2017/)
245
12.1
.550
.021
.354
9.1
18.2
13.4
6.2
0.8
2.0
9.8
11.1

0.3
0.2
0.5
.098

-1.9
2.3
0.4
0.1


11
Dewayne Dedmon (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01.html)
27
12 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dedmode01/gamelog/2017/)
97
21.7
.607
.000
1.391
24.0
32.3
28.0
4.6
1.1
3.1
17.7
20.6

0.2
0.1
0.3
.170

-0.7
0.6
-0.1
0.0


12
Davis Bertans (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bertada01.html)
24
13 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bertada01/gamelog/2017/)
112
11.7
.607
.741
.222
5.0
16.1
10.3
3.7
1.4
3.5
16.8
14.1

0.1
0.1
0.2
.076

-1.1
1.7
0.6
0.1


13
Dejounte Murray (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01.html)
20
11 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/murrade01/gamelog/2017/)
168
12.7
.438
.049
.410
2.6
16.5
9.3
23.4
4.9
0.6
18.2
23.2

-0.3
0.3
0.0
.004

-4.6
4.1
-0.5
0.1


14
Bryn Forbes (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01.html)
23
6 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forbebr01/gamelog/2017/)
73
3.8
.423
.429
.286
0.0
9.9
4.7
5.6
0.0
1.4
7.8
15.5

-0.1
0.0
0.0
-0.026

-5.4
-1.0
-6.4
-0.1


15
Joel Anthony (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthojo01.html)
34
3 (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthojo01/gamelog/2017/)
15
19.6
.676
.000
.250
14.8
16.1
15.4
0.0
0.0
13.2
18.4
16.1

0.0
0.0
0.0
.119

-3.5
2.9
-0.6
0.0






Second best in actual winshares in the team in the playoffs. I'd say considering he's still young and improving... plus this is a contract season for him... he's going to be better next season.

[TheGreatYacht]

Garbage time warrior

[dabom]

Injured porker played more than fathead in the playoffs. :lol

[skulls138]

Garbage time warriorUnfortunately I dont disagree. Hes great when you least expect it, like when he guarded Lebron James, but when hes given notice that hes taking Kawhi Leonards place for instance, he lays an egg.

[ernest787]

he averaged 13 minutes a game... .:lol

maybe next year he can get to 16 minutes a game :rollin

[DAF86]

Garbage time warrior

Just like your man Simmons. :lol

[SAGirl]

Unfortunately I dont disagree. Hes great when you least expect it, like when he guarded Lebron James, but when hes given notice that hes taking Kawhi Leonards place for instance, he lays an egg.


The Spurs were 13-1 when he started games last season... so I think that doesn't fit your narrative tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fathead averaged 5ppg, 5rpg, and 2apg in 27MPG as a starter last season. That's embarrassing...

[TheGreatYacht]

Just like your man Simmons. :lol
Simmons actually showed up when it always mattered :lol not a regular season tiger like your balding big nosed Mexican

[ernest787]

2012-13 Red Rocket played 13 minutes a game and had a .9 win share :lol

[DAF86]

Simmons actually showed up when it always mattered :lol not a regular season tiger like your balding big nosed Mexican

The last meaningful Spurs game this season was game 5 of the WC semifinals. There Manu made the tying basket in regulation and the winning block in OT. Simmons was busy shooting 33 % from the field on that game.

[TheGreatYacht]

The last meaningful Spurs game this season was game 5 of the WC semifinals. There Manu made the tying basket in regulation and the winning block in OT. Simmons was busy shooting 33 % from the field on that game.
:lol "the only game that mattered was the only one where my boy played well"

Didn't mention Manu scoring 2pts in the closing game while Simmons had 18 and locked down Harden, per par. Shit Simmons more than doubled Manu's points that series lmfao.

[skulls138]

The Spurs were 13-1 when he started games last season... so I think that doesn't fit your narrative tbh.You know I'm a fan so not trying to be unfair but if I recall alot of that Pops sat him down and he didnt finish the games because of his passivity. To me his talent should make him the 4th best player on a high caliber team but he has to get that offense down. What to do and when.

[SAGirl]

You know I'm a fan so not trying to be unfair but if I recall alot of that Pops sat him down and he didnt finish the games because of his passivity. To me his talent should make him the 4th best player on a high caliber team but he has to get that offense down. What to do and when.

You have a point. In the spirit of not feeding this thread, which started as an opinion piece by manu4tres, but which obvious trolls latch onto, it's contract season. I think he will get his opportunities and has to maximize them. Contrary to the forums sentiment that he will get a loyalty contract in the offseason that is far from the truth. He still has to prove his worth. I think his confidence improved in the playoffs, so we shall see what happens.

[skulls138]

I think he'll do good.

[kaji157]

To say the truth at the begining i was very happy that we were getting him, and i also understood very well all the difficulties he had his first season, that said i feel that he has not developed a correct NBA Style.

It seems to me that he is too slow, still, to cover most NBA SF´s and that he has not muscled up enough to be a Small Ball 4.

He seems to have a lot of offensive moves to help facilitate the offense on himself or others, but seems unable to use them unless it´s the last 3 seconds of the shot clock.

In the end, he has not found his place on the court, on the team, and what attitude to take in terms of aggresivness.

[SAGirl]

I don't think he has license to take any shots outside of what is scripted in the offense unless it were within the last 3 seconds of the shot clock. The spots he occupies in said system change at Pop's whim and thus how he can find shots also changes with lineups etc. The biggest improvement he needed to make was shooting the 3 with more willingness, which would apply across any lineups or spots, and that is where he has noticeably struggled the most. When played enough minutes he can produce. He needs to play frankly.. might be in some other team at the rate he's going but one can't ask a guy to be consistent that plays 3 different spots depending on Pop, and has to find shots differently or do different things for each, then doesn't do that with enough regularity to really improve. He'd have a few nice string of games and get back to the bench.

[ernest787]

I love how whenever someone posts a legit response to criticize Kyle, SAgirl always replies with the "but Pop..."

That entire post was pure speculation. I'm sure Pop has it out for Kyle and doesn't want him on the court so he does everything he possibly can to make sure he fails in the NBA :rolleyes

[BD24]

Sagirl getting shit on per par. She is going to consult with chinook to see what she should post.

[hater]

Good enough dor what??? Dude is barely an NBDL player

[SAGirl]

Good enough dor what??? Dude is barely an NBDL player

:lol prepare to see him next season tbh... :tu you just jinxed him :tu

[sasaint]

I expected Pop to give Kyle a shot at starting PF this season. With the Gay signing, though, I expect him to start at PF. So, now I expect Kyle to go back to his utility role. He will have to make good at it or he will be gone. He is still very young and could develop both physically and on the basketball court. For the Spurs' sake I hope he has gained enough experience to become more assertive and make a place for himself.

[skulls138]

Dont think hes ready to start or deserving but should be on second unit which is still a step up. I think him and Manu'd blend well together. Still think he should be SF though.

[sasaint]

Dont think hes ready to start or deserving but should be on second unit which is still a step up. I think him and Manu'd blend well together. Still think he should be SF though.

Kyle will never have the quickness to defend the SF position - especially as the league, enamored with small ball, goes smaller and quicker. In the modern NBA Kyle is a PF.

[SAGirl]

It really depends what lineups and style Pop wants to play IMO. With his traditional 2 bigs he was a SF and couldn't ideally be anything else, but those lineups were relatively slow anyways... for example see his highlights above against the Grizzlies. He had no problem with Vince Carter.
However, in small ball he should be a 4, which is what we saw him play the last 2 games against GSW and he had 20 points, 7 rebounds, 2 asssists and 4 steals. It really depends what style Pop wants.

We don't know if Pau starts or what.

[sasaint]

It really depends what lineups and style Pop wants to play IMO. With his traditional 2 bigs he was a SF and couldn't ideally be anything else, but those lineups were relatively slow anyways... for example see his highlights above against the Grizzlies. He had no problem with Vince Carter.
However, in small ball he should be a 4, which is what we saw him play the last 2 games against GSW and he had 20 points, 7 rebounds, 2 asssists and 4 steals. It really depends what style Pop wants.

We don't know if Pau starts or what.

I do not see any way that Pau starts. He has been successful on the second unit. Plus, with only Joff as a true big behind LMA and Pau, I cannot see both of those guys in the starting lineup.

[SAGirl]

I do not see any way that Pau starts. He has been successful on the second unit. Plus, with only Joff as a true big behind LMA and Pau, I cannot see both of those guys in the starting lineup.

I think with contract Pau got, he's likely to play around the 25 minutes he averaged last season? more or less, a good fair amount of it in the bench probably and some with LMA too. Kind of a hybrid...
We really still don't know what happens midseason with LMA at all.

[DenialTwist]

Kyle tore up the summer league. That is where he belongs, it's his ceiling.

[SAGirl]

Kyle tore up the summer league. That is where he belongs, it's his ceiling.

:sleep

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle tore up the summer league. That is where he belongs, it's his ceiling.

[keithington1]

Give this man some confidence. Looks like Paul Pierce lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPIfBwZNnCk

[SAGirl]

Nice shooting. I would love to see that guy shoot the ball more...
Shoot the fricking ball Kyle... I am going to be like Donna Summer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0h8Pjf4vNM


:lmao