Preseason Game Thread: Spurs vs Magic: 10/12/16 @ 6:00 PM CT

[SAGirl]

Augustin nightmare half lol

[tonight...you]

I remember that game in L.A. last season, Spurs without Kawhi vs Clippers without Blake, Parker and LMA played horrible (LMA 3-12) and it was 86-105

After that, it's very clear who is the Spurs most impactful player.

Even if LMA or Parker are the team-leader scoring in some games, Kawhi's the best player without doubts.
The man is a serious MVP candidate for a reason and honestly, he should never be lower than 3 in the voting. He's the Ultimate 2-Way Player in this entire league.

Anyone touting Klay and his ilk just don't watch basketball.

[ElNono]

If everyone keeps confusing him with Jean-Charles, it's going to be a long process.

maybe they both get the benefit of the doubt?

[tonight...you]

say what you will about Lapro, but DJ Augustin isn't dominating anymore
I totally dig Lapro. I wouldn't be mad at him making the roster at all.

[Chinook]

Was that KG working with Blake?

[YGWHI]

Was that KG working with Blake?

Yes.

[TheGreatYacht]

Not watching anymore, did Pop bench Green in the second half?

[tonight...you]

Was that KG working with Blake?
He's been doing big-man coaching for them.

[tonight...you]

Not watching anymore, did Pop bench Green in the second half?
No... and the Argies are playing well. Watchagonnado?

[SAGirl]

Well I thought Lapro had the inside track based on the first game... I think he still does.

[Kawhitstorm]

You know... watching LJC, I actually think his movements are more instinctive and strong than Deadman. So sad...

LJC was dominating his peers at 18 while Deadman hadn't touched a basketball.:wakeup

[tonight...you]

LJC was dominating his peers at 18 while Deadman hadn't touched a basketball.:wakeup
Makes sense, then.

[tonight...you]

Lapro needs to be on this team.

[Kawhitstorm]

Not watching anymore, did Pop bench Green in the second half?

He got benched for Simmons who took over the game.

[Chinook]

Really liking how Livio is handling himself here.

[SAGirl]

Better game from LJC I have seen... can run some plays... shows some feel for the game... better than Deadman lol

[SAGirl]

Really liking how Livio is handling himself here.

Looks better than Deadman... that is why I don't doom guys who are 22 man. These guys are still learning... Now guys who are 27... no.

[tonight...you]

Orlando women... Not impressed at all, looking at this sample. I see seas of trailer inhabitants, imo.

[Chinook]

Not watching anymore, did Pop bench Green in the second half?

I hope so. I saw some suits surrounding him when he sat down. Think it was Udoka and not a trainer.

[ElNono]

Argentina Spurs getting it done, tbh

[ElNono]

Orlando women... Not impressed at all, looking at this sample. I see seas of trailer inhabitants, imo.

You're not from San Antonio?

[Chinook]

Looks better than Deadman... that is why I don't doom guys who are 22 man. These guys are still learning... Now guys who are 27... no.

They didn't give him credit for the Forbes pass, but I think he has a higher IQ than he showed in the summer league. We'll see if he has the body to stick, but I think he has the brain to.

[tonight...you]

You're not from San Antonio?
Lol. No. I'm not.

[ElNono]

Lol. No. I'm not.

makes sense

[ceperez]

Looks better than Deadman... that is why I don't doom guys who are 22 man. These guys are still learning... Now guys who are 27... no.

WTF... Dedmon is already 27??! I thought he's only been in the league for 3 years.

[tonight...you]

Well I thought Lapro had the inside track based on the first game... I think he still does.
Sssssssssssavvy...

[tonight...you]

makes sense
:tu

[tonight...you]

dabom's the real MVP of this thread.

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/You-The-Real-MVP-2.jpg

[ElNono]

my feed dieded

[Chinook]

my feed dieded

Mine JUST came back.

[ElNono]

there it is, back on

[tonight...you]

my feed dieded
The illegal feed done gon' got!!! We all about to be profiled through our IP's!

[ceperez]

Laprovittola booked his golden ticket.... our 15th man.

[Kawhitstorm]

Better game from LJC I have seen... can run some plays... shows some feel for the game... better than Deadman lol

LJC has "garbage man" potential if he buys into the role & hustles every minute he's on the floor.

[SAGirl]

I like Garino, this season's crop of preseason players is much better than the one from last season...

[ElNono]

looks like a Spurs stream here:
http://305sports.xyz/streams/stream-2/

[Obstructed_View]

Wow, the feed is back without the radio commentary. Sweet. Now if they could get rid of that fucking gay replay during defense shit.

[ElNono]

actually, it's not a Spurs stream... they were featuring Anderson for some reason

[tonight...you]

looks like a Spurs stream here:
http://305sports.xyz/streams/stream-2/
Which dabomVP gave us in the 1st page... Thank you for the late page reminder.

[SAGirl]

LJC has "garbage man" potential if he buys into the role & hustles every minute he's on the floor.

Agreed. He can play a small role. If Deadman did the little things like that he would be a much more useful... damn he only played 8 minutes this game... last game 8 mins as well. What is your take? What happens with Deadman? He's really the biggest disappointment of the preseason considering he's paid more than all these other guys and is in the team.

[tonight...you]

Wow, the feed is back without the radio commentary. Sweet. Now if they could get rid of that fucking gay replay during defense shit.
I'm actually fine with not listening to Woody Allen on the call. This whole game has been a shitty experience both visually and audibly.

[TimDunkem]

Stuff the Magic Dragon gettin' down

[ElNono]

Which dabomVP gave us in the 1st page... Thank you for the late page reminder.

I just heard about this whole interwebs thingie

[Chinook]

LJC has "garbage man" potential if he buys into the role & hustles every minute he's on the floor.

I think he's better than that. Think he can be more than that. Has potential to be a plus on offense with his passing and headiness can had some skill guarding on the perimeter.

[tonight...you]

Lol, the Argentine fans in attendance.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm actually fine with not listening to Woody Allen on the call. This whole game has been a shitty experience both visually and audibly.

Seriously, watching them show a replay of a jump shot that causes us to miss the entire sequence on the other end makes me want to punch a baby.

This is the longest fucking timeout I've ever seen. Orlando's full of ugly fucking people.

[tonight...you]

I think he's better than that. Think he can be more than that. Has potential to be a plus on offense with his passing and headiness can had some skill guarding on the perimeter.
He already passes better than Simmons...

[SAGirl]

WTF... Dedmon is already 27??! I thought he's only been in the league for 3 years.

He is indeed 27... played all 4 years college I think got in the league at 23 I think

[tonight...you]

Seriously, watching them show a replay of a jump shot that causes us to miss the entire sequence on the other end makes me want to punch a baby.

This is the longest fucking timeout I've ever seen. Orlando's full of ugly fucking people.
:lol:lol:lol Everything... True!

[Obstructed_View]

THat whole musical montage ran non-stop with no problems, then the feed crashes as soon as the game comes back on. Holy shit. I guess it's preseason for everyone.

[Chinook]

Damn. Radio's back.

[tonight...you]

This is actually nice now... Calm... Quiet... What?! DAMMIT!!!

[BillMc]

Nice move by Davis.

[tonight...you]

Lol Arci... And the Woody "I think it was short,".

[TimDunkem]

Nice assist by Bertans on the fastbreak to Forbes for the 3. :toast

[r0drig0lac]

forbes!!!

[Chinook]

Competition among Garino, Lapro and Forbes is heating up.

[Obstructed_View]

Lol early dagger vs late dagger.

[ElNono]

Forbes is Neal-first-year legit

[tonight...you]

Competition among Garino, Lapro and Forbes is heating up.
I'm calling Lapro, but I'm admittedly a little shaky in my call right this second.

[SAGirl]

nice play Davis and Forbes... team needs forbes shooting...

I don't know how Pop is going to make a pick.. each of the guys brings something...

[Dex]

Forbes is a keeper IMO. He definitely has some things to work on...but he reminds me of Gary Neal. Kid can shoot, and that always is a positive.

[ceperez]

Who's a better shooter Lapro or Forbes?

[Chinook]

I'm calling Lapro, but I'm admittedly a little shaky in my call right this second.

Yeah, really depends on whether the Spurs think Murray can be the third PG. Right now, I'm not sure.

[Dex]

Who's a better shooter Lapro or Forbes?

Definitely Forbes.

[Obstructed_View]

nice play Davis and Forbes... team needs forbes shooting...

I don't know how Pop is going to make a pick.. each of the guys brings something...

They need to find a way to get rid of Simmons and/or LJC, tbh.

[ElNono]

Who's a better shooter Lapro or Forbes?

Forbes, easily, IMO... Lapro has personality though, and I think he can defend a bit better...

Different guys though, Forbes is more of a pure shooter

[SAGirl]

Competition among Garino, Lapro and Forbes is heating up.

I agree.. I had Lapro from the first game... but watching how KA/Simmons/Lee don't like to shoot I think Forbes is needed. Murray doesn't shoot either.. I forgot that. Lapro can shoot the 3 too, so I think he's the most versatile player. I personally like Garino.. I could dispense with J.simms for him TBH. But Simms is in the team.. so, Pop's call.

[Obstructed_View]

Who's a better shooter Lapro or Forbes?

Forbes for sure, but he doesn't do anything else. Lapro looks really good.

[tonight...you]

Honestly, I think the competition for the 15th position all depends on Pop's confidence with Murray.

[SAGirl]

Forbes knows what's going to get him that ticket!

[Obstructed_View]

Good job securing that rebound by Dedmon.

[SAGirl]

Dedmon fighting for the rebound like he doesn't want to get cut!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Obstructed_View]

Took his head off. If he'd followed that into his eyes....

[tonight...you]

Anderson missed the bailout, but I like that he knew what was going on and slang it.

[ElNono]

lol Zimmerman, that's what you get for killing that kid

[Chinook]

Think how this would be if all we had was the radio commentary.

[tonight...you]

Clutch

[TimDunkem]

Everyone who said Bertans couldn't defend at all were wrong.

[Obstructed_View]

Really glad they didn't reward that shit with a foul.

[SAGirl]

Kind of rooting for Forbes.. lol crazy sequence. Pure scorer.

[Chinook]

Forbes for sure, but he doesn't do anything else. Lapro looks really good.

Need to get some elite skills on the team, though, rather than just a bunch of jacks of all trades.

[ace3g]

Spurs

starters
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


L. Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983)PF
25
5-11
0-0
2-2
0
3
3
0
0
1
1
1
-3
12


K. Anderson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2993874)SF
27
2-8
0-1
2-2
0
4
4
2
1
0
0
2
+2
6


P. Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996)C
23
6-11
0-0
2-2
1
4
5
4
1
0
0
2
+7
14


P. Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004)PG
16
4-8
3-5
0-0
0
3
3
1
1
0
1
2
-17
11


D. Green (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3988)SG
12
0-3
0-2
0-0
1
1
2
1
0
0
1
1
-13
0


bench
MIN
FG
3PT
FT
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
STL
BLK
TO
PF
+/-
PTS


L. Jean-Charles (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3033028)SF
9
1-1
0-0
0-0
1
0
1
1
0
0
1
1
+3
2


D. Bertans (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6426)SF
16
1-7
1-4
0-0
1
3
4
2
1
0
0
2
-5
3


J. Anthony (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3247)C
10
2-3
0-0
3-4
1
3
4
0
1
1
0
0
+4
7


D. Dedmon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913)C
13
0-3
0-0
0-0
1
6
7
0
0
0
0
2
+4
0


D. Murray (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497)PG
10
0-3
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
2
0
0
0
0
+17
0


R. Arcidiacono (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991047)PG
14
0-1
0-0
0-0
0
0
0
2
2
0
1
2
+2
0


B. Forbes (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2994526)SG
9
4-5
2-3
2-2
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
+0
12


J. Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466)SG
19
2-5
1-1
4-5
3
2
5
3
4
0
5
1
+8
9


P. Garino (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2982506)SG
11
2-4
0-0
0-0
0
1
1
0
2
1
0
1
+3
4


M. Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272)SG
18
1-5
1-3
3-3
1
2
3
2
1
1
3
3
+10
6


N. Laprovittola (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2968338)G
9
3-7
3-5
0-0
0
0
0
2
2
0
0
1
+3
9


D. Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772)PF
DNP-COACH'S DECISION


K. Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450)SF
DNP-COACH'S DECISION


T. Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015)PG
DNP-COACH'S DECISION


TEAM

33-85
11-24
18-20
10
32
42
22
16
4
14
21

95

[SAGirl]

Wooot Spurs win!!!!
who had bet they didn't cut 80????
:flag:

I like forbes now too lol

[ElNono]

still undefeated when Manu plays :hat

[ceperez]

Wooot Spurs win!!!!
who had bet they didn't cut 80????
:flag:

I like forbes now too lol

Forbes is Curry-lite. Well, I guess it is between Forbes and Laprovittola.

I'll take the gamble on Laprovittola given he's got more skills.

[John Petrucci]

Dijon with that Matt Bonner like statline...

[tonight...you]

Think how this would be if all we had was the radio commentary.
When I used to work in L.A., back in the day, all I could do was get WOAI from a few, certain high-points (which, thankfully, I lived around the Hills) with ol' Jay Howard calling games.
Good times! I remember, nostalgically, sitting in my car, for hours, with drinks and snacks, listening to games all season long. Then came on C2C, lol.

I remember Schoenig from his UofT work. Always liked him and still like him now. Too bad I can't get WOAI from where I am and trying to connect online for games always directs me to some Conservative Talk Show.

[tonight...you]

Wooot Spurs win!!!!
who had bet they didn't cut 80????
:flag:

I like forbes now too lol
Looks like I don't have to send a Blu-Ray...

[BillMc]

Looks like I don't have to send a Blu-Ray...
:lol

[Obstructed_View]

Need to get some elite skills on the team, though, rather than just a bunch of jacks of all trades.

Not sure that it's possible for him to be that much better a shooter to make up for what he lacks in size, experience, defense, and dribbling though. That's why the decision is pretty tough. The Spurs have a lot of shooters, but almost zero who can reliably run the point. Lapro looks like a combination of Forbes and Arcidiacono, so with only one spot he might be the smartest choice.

I'm definitely glad there are more games before the Spurs have to make a decision.

[xellos88330]

Dijon with that Matt Bonner like statline...

I agree. It looked like once the Magic had to worry about the penetration from the PG position, Aldridge and Gasol were able to start making an impact offensively. He also didn't look too shabby on defense, but he wasn't exactly stellar. He had a few mental lapses, but overall I would give him a passing grade.

[Kawhitstorm]

nice play Davis and Forbes... team needs forbes shooting...

I don't know how Pop is going to make a pick.. each of the guys brings something...

They usually make decisions mostly based on how they fared during practice so whoever has the upper hand during scrimmages most likely will make the team.

Forbes is a known commodity since he can knockdown NBA 3s in his sleep, Leprosy seems like a guy who dominates practice ala Jimmer while Garino seems like the opposite since he's gun shy. If Leprosy is as good a shooter as advertised then he has the edge over Forbes since he has play-making skills & if LJC has deemed himself worthy of a roster spot then that would make Garino expendable.

Based on what I saw tonight, Leprosy has the upper hand but he could get axed like Jimmer.

[tonight...you]

You know what? Kyle had an okay stat-line, barring his fg%, but I liked him and his action a hell of a lot more this game. He was actually doing things, instead of just being there.

[John Petrucci]

I agree. It looked like once the Magic had to worry about the penetration from the PG position, Aldridge and Gasol were able to start making an impact offensively. He also didn't look too shabby on defense, but he wasn't exactly stellar. He had a few mental lapses, but overall I would give him a passing grade.

I liked his consistent concerted effort to get those open midrange looks for Pau and LMA. Sharp simple passes, wide open looks.

[tonight...you]

I liked his consistent concerted effort to get those open midrange looks for Pau and LMA. Sharp simple passes, wide open looks.
Playing with a couple stars, he humbled up real quick.

[ace3g]

786379756161773570

[SAGirl]

They need to find a way to get rid of Simmons and/or LJC, tbh.

I'd cut J.Simms personally. Livio is 22 and might improve yet. Actually from where I first saw him in SL to how he looks right now already there is improvement and the Spurs big situation is not that strong. It would be unwise to let him go. I think he has room for improvement.

J.Simms OTOH, 27 already, 2nd season here (+2 seasons in the Toros) a lot of Spurs coaching + so many mistakes all the time. On top of that, I think Murray and himself are very, very similar (both slashers... only obviously Murray is super young, and still developing, likely to get much better in the coming seasons). There are any number of guys I'd take over him right now TBH. But Pop vouching for him and all.:downspin:

[BillMc]

When's the next game?

[tonight...you]

Okay, I'm about to walk my dogs and there's some dude outside, I think 2 houses down and he's yelling out some strange shit.
I can't tell what he's yelling, but he's repeating it over and over. Something like: "Shudder bumbershoot! Shudder bumbershoots!"

I wouldn't mind going and asking what the hell he's doing, but one of my dogs is a pit and if this guy is unhinged, my dog will bite him and my dog will be taken away from me.

Now I can hear him screaming "Dah dah dah dah!"...
I'm going out there to see what the fuck is this guy's problem.

[Dex]

I'd cut J.Simms personally. Livio is 22 and might improve yet. Actually from where I first saw him in SL to how he looks right now already there is improvement and the Spurs big situation is not that strong. It would be unwise to let him go. I think he has room for improvement.

J.Simms OTOH, 27 already, 2nd season here (+2 seasons in the Toros) a lot of Spurs coaching + so many mistakes all the time. On top of that, I think Murray and himself are very, very similar (both slashers... only obviously Murray is super young, and still developing, likely to get much better in the coming seasons). There are any number of guys I'd take over him right now TBH. But Pop vouching for him and all.:downspin:

Simmons is under contract. They can't cut him without waiving him....which seems unlikely.

[ace3g]

When's the next game?

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Friday Oct 14 AT&T Center, San Antonio, TX

7:30pm

[tonight...you]

I live across the street from an Alzheimer's place and apparently one of the old guys got out and started roaming around. They got him and were dragging him back as I was getting out. Now I can walk my dags.

[BillMc]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/1.0/teamsites/logos/teamlogos_80x64/mia.gif

Friday Oct 14 AT&T Center, San Antonio, TX

7:30pm

Thanks. :toast

[SAGirl]

You know what? Kyle had an okay stat-line, barring his fg%, but I liked him and his action a hell of a lot more this game. He was actually doing things, instead of just being there.

Agreed and TBH... he's not going to jump over anybody and I think a lot of hesitation and lack of aggressiveness was basically afraid of screwing the heck up, or not even knowing how to deal with the physicality. Aaron Gordon is a heck of a defender and a strong dude. I am sure his shooting will bounce back.

He also kept the team's composure at the end . I don't know if you noticed but Magic was trying to force TO, Arci had trouble with the press, Kyle kind of said screw that, give me the ball, all they had to do was avoid the TO and defend to win and did.

[ElNono]

I live across the street from an Alzheimer's place and apparently one of the old guys got out and started roaming around. They got him and were dragging him back as I was getting out. Now I can walk my dags.

Sounds like Dedmon at the game tonight

[tonight...you]

Agreed and TBH... he's not going to jump over anybody and I think a lot of hesitation and lack of aggressiveness was basically afraid of screwing the heck up, or not even knowing how to deal with the physicality. Aaron Gordon is a heck of a defender and a strong dude. I am sure his shooting will bounce back.

He also kept the team's composure at the end . I don't know if you noticed but Magic was trying to force TO, Arci had trouble with the press, Kyle kind of said screw that, give me the ball, all they had to do was avoid the TO and defend to win and did.
Yeah, I wasn't worried about his misses. Much better game this game and showed some worth in pressure moments, should the need come up.

[tonight...you]

Sounds like Dedmon at the game tonight
:lol

[SAGirl]

Simmons is under contract. They can't cut him without waiving him....which seems unlikely.

Use of the wrong term, but you understood what I meant. I don't think he's waived though (to use the correct term)... but I think there are other guys that can help more than him, which is kind of sad to see these others guy not make the team. I think they have a much better crop of guys this preseason than the last one. The proof, these guys have been winning games. Last preseason games were "turrrible" including J.Simms who didn't look like he was going to make it himself.

[DeRozan m8]

Saw Simmons got 5 turnovers.

How did this happen?

I really want Simmons to work but he still seems so loose.

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle with 6pts (2/8fg), 4reb, 2ast in 27 minutes

[siraulo23]

simmons and anderson, trash

[TheGreatYacht]

"Start Paddy" krew won't like this...

-17 +/-

[tonight...you]

Saw Simmons got 5 turnovers.

How did this happen?

I really want Simmons to work but he still seems so loose.
Dude, Simmons blows. He's the same guy from last year. No growth.

[SAGirl]

still undefeated when Manu plays :hat

ManuVP lol (No Kiwi, no Tony, no TD... How did that happen?):lol

[Chinook]

Not sure that it's possible for him to be that much better a shooter to make up for what he lacks in size, experience, defense, and dribbling though. That's why the decision is pretty tough. The Spurs have a lot of shooters, but almost zero who can reliably run the point. Lapro looks like a combination of Forbes and Arcidiacono, so with only one spot he might be the smartest choice.

I'm definitely glad there are more games before the Spurs have to make a decision.

I definitely think he can do more than shoot. He had a few games in the summer league where he rebounded and stole well. He had a similar game against Phoenix last week. Definitely needs to become consistent at something else to get into the rotation, but being an elite shooter should be enough to make a team.

[Solid D]

Game swung with the 3 Argentines, a Frenchman, & a Canadian on the floor.

[Kawhitstorm]

Saw Simmons got 5 turnovers.

How did this happen?

I really want Simmons to work but he still seems so loose.

Mostly trying to make passes in traffic somewhat like Manu. Otherwise, he played well in the 3rd quarter.

[GSH]

Forbes, easily, IMO... Lapro has personality though, and I think he can defend a bit better...

Different guys though, Forbes is more of a pure shooter


I've thought for sure Lapro was the obvious choice, because of his skills and experience. But for a second unit that looks to be challenged, having a guy out on the perimeter who can knock down 3's is huge. Not just because of his scoring (which they need), but because that kind of shooting will force defenses to pay attention to him and open up the floor for the other guys.

There are a bunch of guys in the league who can run the point as good or better than Lapro. But there's always demand for a guy who can knock down 3's. We still don't know if he can do it under big game pressure, and I'd like him a lot more if he was about 3" taller. But it's going to be hard to let go of a guy who can stroke 'em like he does.

[Dex]

Use of the wrong term, but you understood what I meant. I don't think he's waived though (to use the correct term)... but I think there are other guys that can help more than him, which is kind of sad to see these others guy not make the team. I think they have a much better crop of guys this preseason than the last one. The proof, these guys have been winning games. Last preseason games were "turrrible" including J.Simms who didn't look like he was going to make it himself.

Yeah, can't say I disagree. If Simmons were on even footing with the other camp invites (i.e. if he wasn't under contract), then I think he'd probably be out the door. The Spurs are a loyal organization though. For better or worse, it's one of the reasons they are highly respected. For that reason, I don't see them parting ways with Simmons just yet...even if it's what they probably should do.

[Dex]

I've thought for sure Lapro was the obvious choice, because of his skills and experience. But for a second unit that looks to be challenged, having a guy out on the perimeter who can knock down 3's is huge. Not just because of his scoring (which they need), but because that kind of shooting will force them to pay attention to him and open up the floor for the other guys.

There are a bunch of guys in the league who can run the point as good or better than Lapro. But there's always demand for a guy who can knock down 3's. We still don't know if he can do it under big game pressure, and I'd like him a lot more if he was about 3" taller. But it's going to be hard to let go of a guy who can stroke 'em like he does.

Obviously it's still preseason...but this is the second game he has come in and hit big shots to secure a win. He did the same thing in Summer League. Considering that everybody else seem scared to put the ball in the basket...I'd like to see Forbes have a chance to see if he can do it in the big games.

Also, I know the third string PG position is still a question mark...but I feel like the Spurs can fill that gap between Manu, Murray, and Anderson. Having another scorer off the bench, imo, is a bigger need.

[Chinook]

Yeah, can't say I disagree. If Simmons were on even footing with the other camp invites (i.e. if he wasn't under contract), then I think he'd probably be out the door. The Spurs are a loyal organization though. For better or worse, it's one of the reasons they are highly respected. For that reason, I don't see them parting ways with Simmons just yet...even if it's what they probably should do.

To be clear, everyone is under contract, and everyone would be waived, not released (which is not a term that applies to the NBA). But those waived and released players are cut.

[Dex]

To be clear, everyone is under contract, and everyone would be waived, not released (which is not a term that applies to the NBA). But those waived and released players are cut.

Good point. I guess I should say that Simmons has money guaranteed....whereas I assume that most of the camp invites are on non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed deals. I'm far from a contract guru though, so...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Chinook]

Good point. I guess I should say that Simmons has money guaranteed....whereas I assume that most of the camp invites are on non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed deals. I'm far from a contract guru though, so...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Nah, your understanding is correct in that regard. I think Simmons had a decent game tonight, but it probably would've been worse had he been playing for a spot. Anyway, I think he's very tradeable, so we could see him moved if it comes to that. With Anderson not doing anything special, I don't think it's going to come to that.

[tonight...you]

Nah, your understanding is correct in that regard. I think Simmons had a decent game tonight, but it probably would've been worse had he been playing for a spot. Anyway, I think he's very tradeable, so we could see him moved if it comes to that. With Anderson not doing anything special, I don't think it's going to come to that.
I disagree with that. Simmons has shown zero growth and did a few things with scrubs on the court in the 3rd. The first half? He was a borderline disaster on both sides of the floor. No... that 3rd quarter stretch was nothing. He's shown nothing to me yet. I'll give him time, since I have no choice, but this guy is a negative player, overall right now.

[Chinook]

I disagree with that. Simmons has shown zero growth and did a few things with scrubs on the court in the 3rd. The first half? He was a borderline disaster on both sides of the floor. No... that 3rd quarter stretch was nothing. He's shown nothing to me yet. I'll give him time, since I have no choice, but this guy is a negative player, overall right now.

He was one of the few guys who looked like he knew what he was doing. When it was him and guys he knew, he was fine. But he and Arci didn't have much chemistry, which is surprising because of summer league. But his statline was fine for the 11th/15th man that he is. I wouldn't re-sign him based on tonight, but he seems like the best candidate to be an emergency SG.

[tonight...you]

He was one of the few guys who looked like he knew what he was doing. When it was him and guys he knew, he was fine. But he and Arci didn't have much chemistry, which is surprising because of summer league. But his statline was fine for the 11th/15th man that he is. I wouldn't re-sign him based on tonight, but he seems like the best candidate to be an emergency SG.
Yeah, and the term EMERGENCY should not be used loosely, in that case.
He's not a good NBA player. He's a good basketball player, but not an NBA player.

[tonight...you]

And in the 1st half, he was one of the guys that absolutely looked lost and had zip grip on what to do correctly.

[Chinook]

Yeah, and the term EMERGENCY should not be used loosely, in that case.
He's not a good NBA player. He's a good basketball player, but not an NBA player.

You know you're preaching to the choir on that. But the other twos look worse, and with Manu being Manu, that matters. The third SG will play.


And in the 1st half, he was one of the guys that absolutely looked lost and had zip grip on what to do correctly.

So was Manu.

[tonight...you]

You know you're preaching to the choir on that. But the other twos look worse, and with Manu being Manu, that matters. The third SG will play.

I do.

So was Manu.

No argument.

[GSH]

Dude, Simmons blows. He's the same guy from last year. No growth.


Simmons appears to be a one trick pony. Once the other teams have a chance to scout a player and his tendencies, they WILL have a game plan for how to defend him. (Everybody's good in the NBA, or they wouldn't be there.) Other than a few superstars, nobody can go it alone into the teeth of an NBA defense. I think Simmons hasn't figure that out, and tries to do too much on his own. He's a high-flyer, and pretty good at getting to the rack when he has some space. But he's not very good at picking his spots, and only taking what the defense gives. And he's not nearly enough to do it on his own.

There's a pretty accepted belief in NBA FO's that by the time a guy gets to be his age, there's no more upside. They're probably right. We all want to believe that a guy can finally get his big break, and be more than he's been. But those things don't happen very often in real life. I think Simmons could still go have one hell of a career overseas. But I don't see him showing the kind of improvement he needed to be anything more than an afterthought in the NBA. I really wanted him to. But I don't see him being a difference-maker on the Spurs. The problem is, there's no one that I'm excited about if they waived him to clear his roster slot.

[tonight...you]

Simmons appears to be a one trick pony. Once the other teams have a chance to scout a player and his tendencies, they WILL have a game plan for how to defend him. (Everybody's good in the NBA, or they wouldn't be there.) Other than a few superstars, nobody can go it alone into the teeth of an NBA defense. I think Simmons hasn't figure that out, and tries to do too much on his own. He's a high-flyer, and pretty good at getting to the rack when he has some space. But he's not very good at picking his spots, and only taking what the defense gives. And he's not nearly enough to do it on his own.

There's a pretty accepted belief in NBA FO's that by the time a guy gets to be his age, there's no more upside. They're probably right. We all want to believe that a guy can finally get his big break, and be more than he's been. But those things don't happen very often in real life. I think Simmons could still go have one hell of a career overseas. But I don't see him showing the kind of improvement he needed to be anything more than an afterthought in the NBA. I really wanted him to. But I don't see him being a difference-maker on the Spurs. The problem is, there's no one that I'm excited about if they waived him to clear his roster slot.
Yeah... that's the Big Conundrum. Simmons stinks, but there's not anything better down the line at this second. I'm praying that Murray starts figuring ish out super-quickly.
And I mean super-quickly.

[SAGirl]

Obviously it's still preseason...but this is the second game he has come in and hit big shots to secure a win. He did the same thing in Summer League. Considering that everybody else seem scared to put the ball in the basket...I'd like to see Forbes have a chance to see if he can do it in the big games.

Also, I know the third string PG position is still a question mark...but I feel like the Spurs can fill that gap between Manu, Murray, and Anderson. Having another scorer off the bench, imo, is a bigger need.

I agree with you. I didn't want to bring it up myself so emphatically bc I know my CoA fandom would cloud the issue, but the reality is that Anderson is a playmaker. Considering that Pop is not going to play Davis over Lee to provide spacing, if Manu isn't playing they need a shooter more than they need J.Simms. On top of that they have Murray who is a combo guard at the very least, who is also not a shooter at this point in his career.

And these pickups are to help during the RS. I think tonight...you said it too. It may come down to how much they believe Murray can actually help this season if Tony is out.

Going back to last season with the tryout Spurs gave to Jimmer. I feel like a player like Forbes was what they had in mind.

All this and I still feel they pick Lapro and I am going to be disappointed. :depressed

[tonight...you]

I agree with you. I didn't want to bring it up myself so emphatically bc I know my CoA fandom would cloud the issue, but the reality is that Anderson is a playmaker. Considering that Pop is not going to play Davis over Lee to provide spacing, if Manu isn't playing they need a shooter more than they need J.Simms. On top of that they have Murray who is a combo guard at the very least, who is also not a shooter at this point in his career.

And these pickups are to help during the RS. I think tonight...you (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31666) said it too. It may come down to how much they believe Murray can actually help this season if Tony is out.

Going back to last season with the tryout Spurs gave to Jimmer. I feel like a player like Forbes was what they had in mind.

All this and I still feel they pick Lapro and I am going to be disappointed. :depressed
I won't. Not for the 15th guy. Lapro is a decent enough player, should you need some emergency PG minutes. And it better be an emergency, by the by.

[ElNono]

I've thought for sure Lapro was the obvious choice, because of his skills and experience. But for a second unit that looks to be challenged, having a guy out on the perimeter who can knock down 3's is huge. Not just because of his scoring (which they need), but because that kind of shooting will force defenses to pay attention to him and open up the floor for the other guys.

There are a bunch of guys in the league who can run the point as good or better than Lapro. But there's always demand for a guy who can knock down 3's. We still don't know if he can do it under big game pressure, and I'd like him a lot more if he was about 3" taller. But it's going to be hard to let go of a guy who can stroke 'em like he does.

Don't disagree.

[DeRozan m8]

Dude, Simmons blows. He's the same guy from last year. No growth.

Ah shattered.

I think I built my expectations up too high for him after he put down some mad dunks last season.

He's not young either.

Ah well.

Man we're weak at SG.

Actually, we're kinda weak in a few areas tbh

[SAGirl]

I won't. Not for the 15th guy. Lapro is a decent enough player, should you need some emergency PG minutes. And it better be an emergency, by the by.

Well I think you are right too. In reality they can't do wrong with either guy, they were both solid within a role. Lapro can shoot too is my understanding and thus more versatile and might have the inside track I thought.

I like Forbes though too, he's a pure scorer and my thought still stands, I think the bench needs that if one of Mills or Manu are injured. again J.Simms and Murray both guards are slashers and don't shoot.

Edit: and I should note, the bench is already challenged in the shooting dept.

[Hoops Czar]

Kyle with 6pts (2/8fg), 4reb, 2ast in 27 minutes

Good game by his standards. He's basically useless unless he's playing against scrubs. People need to floor their expectations for Kyle otherwise, they're going to be a truly disappointed.

[Spurtacular]

Had sh** to do; missed this one. Magic FB doesn't have game replay at a glance. Box score anyone?

[TheGreatYacht]

Good game by his standards. He's basically useless unless he's playing against scrubs. People need to floor their expectations for Kyle otherwise, they're going to be a truly disappointed.
After 3 years in the league and world class developmental coaches at his side.... he still bails out point guards in the post with 15ft bricks.

The guy truly is useless. I can't think of anything he excels at.

[look_at_g_shred]

After 3 years in the league and world class developmental coaches at his side.... he still bails out point guards in the post with 15ft bricks.

The guy truly is useless. I can't think of anything he excels at.
Forehead

[Kawhitstorm]

After 3 years in the league and world class developmental coaches at his side.... he still bails out point guards in the post with 15ft bricks.

The guy truly is useless. I can't think of anything he excels at.

Best scorer on the team after Kawhi (c) Chinook

[ceperez]

Simmons appears to be a one trick pony. Once the other teams have a chance to scout a player and his tendencies, they WILL have a game plan for how to defend him. (Everybody's good in the NBA, or they wouldn't be there.) Other than a few superstars, nobody can go it alone into the teeth of an NBA defense. I think Simmons hasn't figure that out, and tries to do too much on his own. He's a high-flyer, and pretty good at getting to the rack when he has some space. But he's not very good at picking his spots, and only taking what the defense gives. And he's not nearly enough to do it on his own.

There's a pretty accepted belief in NBA FO's that by the time a guy gets to be his age, there's no more upside. They're probably right. We all want to believe that a guy can finally get his big break, and be more than he's been. But those things don't happen very often in real life. I think Simmons could still go have one hell of a career overseas. But I don't see him showing the kind of improvement he needed to be anything more than an afterthought in the NBA. I really wanted him to. But I don't see him being a difference-maker on the Spurs. The problem is, there's no one that I'm excited about if they waived him to clear his roster slot.

What about Dedmon? He's 27, no more upside?

[TheGreatYacht]

Forehead
:lol

[DrSteffo]

The guy truly is useless. I can't think of anything he excels at.

Slowing down time would be his superpower, like if some teammate needs to tie his shoes or check his FB-page or something.

[DPG21920]

I do think the Spurs are (and should be ) concerned with the teams athleticism. I know it should not be the main focus, but Simmons has that more than anyone. Something to consider.

[GSH]

I do think the Spurs are (and should be ) concerned with the teams athleticism. I know it should not be the main focus, but Simmons has that more than anyone. Something to consider.


Serious question:


Simmons' biggest value is that athleticism, IMO. He's not a great defender. He doesn't make good decisions, and he turns the ball over too much. Could Murray be as good at what Simmons does right now, if the Spurs let him be just that, and not try to push the PG part too quickly? It seems to me that Murray is pretty damned athletic, but he makes poor decisions and turns the ball over too much. Pretty Simmons-like.

According to DraftExpress, Murray is actually a half inch taller than Simmons without shoes, and he has a 6'9.5" wingspan, compared to 6'7.5" for Simmons. Murray loves to take it to the rack, just like Simmons. He hasn't shot the 3 as well as Simmons, but Simmons didn't take that many of them. On the other hand, Murray is a better rebounder than Simmons already.

So, seriously... do you think Murray could make Simmons expendable right now, as is, if they just let him do the things Simmons does, and let the other develop?

[SAGirl]

Some of us think he can but I think he's too frail to finish through contact in the paint, a Simmons strength and Simmons draws fouls bc he's very strong and seeks it. Murray puts up floaters, finishing in the paint is a weakness (was in college too). Murray is not TO the ball as much as he did in SL though and already handles the ball more than J.Simms, as he has played the PG spot, so I am confident he has batter handles. He's a rookie though and will make defensive mistakes whereas Simmons while not great has improved on team defense.

I also feel like Murray makes better decisions when he passes than Simmons who often passes to guys who are not open, thus TO the ball, etc. Anyways Simmons has his positives and the gist of it is athleticism and hustle but he will make a lot of mistakes and that will not change. Sometimes his positives outweigh the bad but often it won't, specially against good teams. I don't think he will change much at this point. I have hope for Murray though.

[Spurtacular]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Five-quick-takeaways-from-spurs-magic-9967868.php

[San Antonio Slayer]

can someone help with the game highlights or full game may be?

[ceperez]

Looks like Spurs will pick up Forbes.

Watch the highlight videos, zero mention of either Garino, Lapro or Arci. The top brass has decided that they want to keep any mention of those 3 so that they can stash them in Austin. Besides, Mills contract is up and Spurs may need a replacement.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd6EIKSeoVc

[Obstructed_View]

I definitely think he can do more than shoot. He had a few games in the summer league where he rebounded and stole well. He had a similar game against Phoenix last week. Definitely needs to become consistent at something else to get into the rotation, but being an elite shooter should be enough to make a team.

We'll have to see if the team agrees that the roster spots are more valuable than the dead weight that's taking them up. We spend a lot of time talking about the 13-15 spot, but I think it's because this is a year that the team needs a surprise or two in order to have a chance.

[Chinook]

We'll have to see if the team agrees that the roster spots are more valuable than the dead weight that's taking them up. We spend a lot of time talking about the 13-15 spot, but I think it's because this is a year that the team needs a surprise or two in order to have a chance.

They need a surprised from their 8-12, though. But this is why I am so adamant about Pop doing everything he can to get Anderson to be assertive. He's the only one who can surprise besides maybe Bertans as the 10th man. People who keep laughing at Kyle's failures miss the point of him being so talked about in the first place.

[GSH]

What about Dedmon? He's 27, no more upside?


I'm just telling you that I've read a number of interviews and articles about how teams are less inclined to consider even four-year college guys because of the belief that they don't have much upside. No rule is absolute, but there's probably something to it. Personally, I think C's are probably the biggest exception.

That's not even the point, though. What I'm wondering is if there is really enough difference between Simmons and Murray at this point to justify having both of them on the roster. If Murray can do what Simmons is doing, and has potential to become a legit backup PG with better than average height. If Murray could double for Simmons, then it would leave an extra roster spot and maybe they could keep both Lap and Forbes.

[ceperez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd6EIKSeoVc

Thanks. Lapro is a really savvy player. Too bad it's a choice between him and Forbes.

Who else can the Spurs waive in the event they get both players? I don't see anyone else getting waived based on the contracts. Both Murray and LJC who are both heading to the D-league have long term contracts. I would not want to see Bertans go.

I guess people are thinking its Simmons. I don't think so though, since the Spurs need someone the slash into the paint.

[SAGirl]

I am not expecting any of the preseason pick ups to make a difference in the playoffs personally... They are for surviving the long season and injuries. Although a shooter like Forbes could conceivably come in with a limited purpose, thus why I like him.

As for Anderson, so long as he doesn't pass up shots he should be takinv, I think he'll be fine and bounce back in %. Far as I can tell he is playing a team game that looks to get teammates involved. It's got to be by design. He doesn't force things unless a play is called up for him and when he does get a play it's usually a post up baseline so again, I think that is another Pop thing.

Now, I wish there was something else Pop called up for him bc he is better shooting from other areas than posting up baseline and he has struggled, but he has also competed against starting level talent. These are not opportunistic mismatches. This is him posting up baseline Aaron Gordon Tobias Harris or Morris. It's going to be rough. There's definitely no advantage to him. So I have to look at Pop and consider it a player development thing.

[SAGirl]

Thanks. Lapro is a really savvy player. Too bad it's a choice between him and Forbes.

Who else can the Spurs waive in the event they get both players? I don't see anyone else getting waived based on the contracts. Both Murray and LJC who are both heading to the D-league have long term contracts. I would not want to see Bertans go.

I guess people are thinking its Simmons. I don't think so though, since the Spurs need someone the slash into the paint.
If I had to waive somebody it would be him but he's not getting waived. POP still hopes for his development, and he's done just enough to justify his spot.

Though not a favorite if mine so long as he's in the team I hope for his development too. I just really dislike how mistake prone and unreliable he is.

[SAGirl]

They need a surprised from their 8-12, though. But this is why I am so adamant about Pop doing everything he can to get Anderson to be assertive. He's the only one who can surprise besides maybe Bertans as the 10th man. People who keep laughing at Kyle's failures miss the point of him being so talked about in the first place.
They think the team will survive the entire season and playoffs on Ginobili's back.... which by the way I don't troll like that but J.Simms for all my criticism had a better game than Ginobili here. Ppl really do miss the point.

[ceperez]

If I had to waive somebody it would be him but he's not getting waived. POP still hopes for his development, and he's done just enough to justify his spot.

Though not a favorite if mine so long as he's in the team I hope for his development too. I just really dislike how mistake prone and unreliable he is.

Ultimately, the question will boil down to who can help in a series against GSW.

Spurs are destined to be 2nd place in the WC.

[TD 21]

They think the team will survive the entire season and playoffs on Ginobili's back.... which by the way I don't troll like that but J.Simms for all my criticism had a better game than Ginobili here. Ppl really do miss the point.

:lmao No one said that, you made it up when you got upset after people said Anderson wasn't good enough.

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao No one said that, you made it up when you got upset after people said Anderson wasn't good enough.

She got pissed when I said Kyle Anderson is a Role Player and should no way be compared to how Pop treated Kawhi development. For some reason, she wants the bench to be built around Anderson.. :lol

Ignoring that kawhi excelled as an offball player so Pop had the luxury to throw him minutes..Anderson..not so much.

[SAGirl]

:lmao No one said that, you made it up when you got upset after people said Anderson wasn't good enough.
I have seen it by several ppl here.. I don't care to cite anyone ... but I am not making that up...

[Yuixafun]

Slowing down time would be his superpower, like if some teammate needs to tie his shoes or check his FB-page or something.

He is his own Snapchat filter.

[TD 21]

I have seen it by several ppl here.. I don't care to cite anyone ... but I am not making that up...

:lmao Your buddy would call that "bitch made".

[tonight...you]

:lmao Your buddy would call that "bitch made".
Oh... ouch. Wow, I elicited an evil chuckle at that. I remember that.

[SAGirl]

:lmao Your buddy would call that "bitch made".
Whatever TD this sort of thing ain't my thing again... It's out there, so whatever. Waste of time to dig shit up... but that you jumped at my post means I hit a soft spot. Again, whatever you calling yourself out it looks like to me. Lol

[tonight...you]

Whatever TD this sort of thing ain't my thing again... It's out there, so whatever. Waste of time to dig shit up... but that jumped at my post means I hit a soft spot.
You dismissing citation is no better than dabom's emoticons. I dislike laziness on something so simple as the internet. No trolling. Just truth.

[SAGirl]

You dismissing citation is no better than dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543)'s emoticons. I dislike laziness on something so simple as the internet. No trolling. Just truth.
I dislike these vendettas... ain't my shit to be calling out ppl and digging shit up. Just not my thing. I don't care about that like others. Now if the boot fits then it hit a sensitive ppl as far as I am concerned... It's out there somewhere. Only he has called himself out. No one else,has cared lol.

[tonight...you]

I dislike these vendettas... ain't my shit to be calling out ppl and digging shit up. Just not my thing. I don't care about that like others. Now if the boot fits then it hit a sensitive ppl as far as I am concerned... It's out there somewhere. Only he has called himself out. No one else,has cared lol.
Look, you put yourself out there, you have to expect things like this. How can you not? You bump old threads with your Nostradamus cap on. You're putting yourself out there and then get lazy on the follow up. How do you think that looks?

[SAGirl]

Look, you put yourself out there, you have to expect things like this. How can you not? You bump old threads with your Nostradamus cap on. You're putting yourself out there and then get lazy on the follow up. How do you think that looks?

lol it doesn't matter. I made a statement and this dude out of nowhere came out. I don't care about a vendetta with him, but he apparently does. I never made mention of anyone bc I don't care to call others out. The nostradmus posts are for fun, getting in a vendetta with TD is an annoyance, saavy?

[tonight...you]

lol it doesn't matter. I made a statement and this dude out of nowhere came out. I don't care about a vendetta with him, but he apparently does. I never made mention of anyone bc I don't care to call others out. The nostradmus posts are for fun, getting in a vendetta with TD is an annoyance, saavy?
http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrqbf131fS1qdq0qfo4_500.gif

[SAGirl]

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/4203519-0077672102-tumbl.gif

lol this is why I like you... lol you have nice sense of humor which some guys lack. lol

I found this for you its in teh "Kyle Anderson isn't good enough thread" I really didn't want to share this bc it just really isn't my style to call others out, like I guess TD likes to do... calling others out seems to be what he enjoys exchanging opinions about and I don't care about that.


He says of Anderson and Simmons

The reality is, they're not good enough to play the role they need to at this level to be successful (at least on an elite team) and unless Murray makes an unexpected quantum leap in the next year, they're going to need to go out and find a second unit creator, if Ginobili does the expected and retires.

In the meantime, whether you and your buddy like it or not, the bench offensively still rightfully revolves around Ginobili and he needs more floor spacers surrounding him.

To be fair to TD, I cited the whole thing to give context. I made a general statement about it, but not with the intention of going down this road. Rightfully or not, Ginobili may fall off a cliff soon is my opinion and there will be games like the one last night, when even J.Simms with a characteristic mistake game, still had a stretch where he played much better and was able to swing things around. That is going to become common. Maybe some nights Manu is the one having a good night, but there are likely to be nights it's others, and it's wrong to rely on Manu to carry the burden, and in fact, I don't know if you yourself noticed Mr. tonight, but Manu deferred and played off the ball, and there were times he touched the ball, that bad things happened actually.

Manu himself said, he would not be surprised if these guys took minutes from him eventually or play better. He was honest saying from his perspective they are both talented and it is only natural that they play better and improve.

So there you have it. I mean I have my favorites and all, but assuming Manu is going to carry this bench and everyone has to play around him is a bygone era. He's spotting and playing off the ball more and more himself.

(Now wait for TD to revive the vendetta, which is why I don't like to go down these roads lol)... but see just bc you are so funny...
:bobo

[gambit1990]

no heat thread yet? goran dragic just left the place i'm eating at downtown.

[tonight...you]

lol this is why I like you... lol you have nice sense of humor which some guys lack. lol

I found this for you its in teh "Kyle Anderson isn't good enough thread" I really didn't want to share this bc it just really isn't my style to call others out, like I guess TD likes to do... calling others out seems to be what he enjoys exchanging opinions about and I don't care about that.


He says of Anderson and Simmons


To be fair to TD, I cited the whole thing to give context. I made a general statement about it, but not with the intention of going down this road. Rightfully or not, Ginobili may fall off a cliff soon is my opinion and there will be games like the one last night, when even J.Simms with a characteristic mistake game, still had a stretch where he played much better and was able to swing things around. That is going to become common. Maybe some nights Manu is the one having a good night, but there are likely to be nights it's others, and it's wrong to rely on Manu to carry the burden, and in fact, I don't know if you yourself noticed Mr. tonight, but Manu deferred and played off the ball, and there were times he touched the ball, that bad things happened actually.

Manu himself said, he would not be surprised if these guys took minutes from him eventually or play better. He was honest saying from his perspective they are both talented and it is only natural that they play better and improve.

So there you have it. I mean I have my favorites and all, but assuming Manu is going to carry this bench and everyone has to play around him is a bygone era. He's spotting and playing off the ball more and more himself.

(Now wait for TD to revive the vendetta, which is why I don't like to go down these roads lol)... but see just bc you are so funny...
:bobo
My compliments, my dear.
I do love smiling...

[SAGirl]

My compliments, my dear.
I do love smiling...

lol bottom line, I don't think TD and myself disagree that much. I even wanted the Spurs to get a scorer for the bench the past offseason. I like Anderson but never touted him as guy to build a bench around. I do think the team needs him considering they didn't do anything to improve the bench (I even wanted Boban, bc he's a certifiable dominant scorer in the paint and regardless of what Van Gundy is doing with Boban, when he played, he was unguardable. If there is one thing Boban can do is score easily.) Anyways, the point is Spurs were unable to even retain guys they had, so they are entering the season with a worse bench in theory. But since I am not a pessimistic person to be thinking the team is awful and doomed, and will fail this early, I prefer to hope for the development of the youngsters. He thinks he's calling something out here, which to me is:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Dm6wAwGoKtU/UVXrrjrlIqI/AAAAAAAAADI/-s1s-bRqNi8/s1600/what-did-you-just-say.gif

I don't blame or hate on anyone who think Anderson or Simmons don't have it, but don't come hating on me if I don't think Ginobili is going to have it either come the playoffs TBH... There is no need to be this argumentative about the whole thing.

I tend to think TD has something with Chinook from way back and he's tagging me unto it, and I don't know what it was, nor do I care. It's the only thing that occurs to me for why he's this attached "to calling me out" for anything.

[dabom]

I'm an intelligent poster. I argue my points and let that be the end. I have multiple fans a day scrutinizing my words that would love to bump some weak shit, but I'm simply to smart for that. :lol

Unlike other people...

[tonight...you]

I'm an intelligent poster. I argue my points and let that be the end. I have multiple fans a day scrutinizing my words that would love to bump some weak shit, but I'm simply to smart for that. :lol

Unlike other people...
Yo brotha, I was sitting there calling you dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543)vp in the game thread. Don't give me no shiv, my man, we work the hard road together.

Not that I'm saying you were talking to me, or anything... Lol.

[dabom]

Yo brotha, I was sitting there calling you dabom (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=47543)vp in the game thread. Don't give me no shiv, my man, we work the hard road together.

Not that I'm saying you were talking to me, or anything... Lol.

Just saw tgat. Legit. :tu

[tonight...you]

Just saw tgat. Legit. :tu
https://media4.giphy.com/media/jpptGniJFejtK/200_s.gif

[TD 21]

lol this is why I like you... lol you have nice sense of humor which some guys lack. lol

I found this for you its in teh "Kyle Anderson isn't good enough thread" I really didn't want to share this bc it just really isn't my style to call others out, like I guess TD likes to do... calling others out seems to be what he enjoys exchanging opinions about and I don't care about that.


He says of Anderson and Simmons


To be fair to TD, I cited the whole thing to give context. I made a general statement about it, but not with the intention of going down this road. Rightfully or not, Ginobili may fall off a cliff soon is my opinion and there will be games like the one last night, when even J.Simms with a characteristic mistake game, still had a stretch where he played much better and was able to swing things around. That is going to become common. Maybe some nights Manu is the one having a good night, but there are likely to be nights it's others, and it's wrong to rely on Manu to carry the burden, and in fact, I don't know if you yourself noticed Mr. tonight, but Manu deferred and played off the ball, and there were times he touched the ball, that bad things happened actually.

Manu himself said, he would not be surprised if these guys took minutes from him eventually or play better. He was honest saying from his perspective they are both talented and it is only natural that they play better and improve.

So there you have it. I mean I have my favorites and all, but assuming Manu is going to carry this bench and everyone has to play around him is a bygone era. He's spotting and playing off the ball more and more himself.

(Now wait for TD to revive the vendetta, which is why I don't like to go down these roads lol)... but see just bc you are so funny...
:bobo

Classic case of poor reading comprehension. Saying the bench needs to revolve around Ginobili is not the same as saying they'll "survive the whole season and playoffs on his back" or "assuming he's going to carry it".

You're a fool if you think Ginobili honestly thinks he'll be losing minutes to them. He'll get his recently customary roughly 20 mpg, no matter how them or him play. He just said what he did because it's the type of thing you're supposed to say.

There is no vendetta. It's called a message board. Having differing opinions or debating something is what makes it fun and is not the same as arguing. Unfortunately, there's too many overly sensitive people who can't differentiate.

[SAGirl]

Classic case of poor reading comprehension. Saying the bench needs to revolve around Ginobili is not the same as saying they'll "survive the whole season and playoffs on his back" or "assuming he's going to carry it".

You're a fool if you think Ginobili honestly thinks he'll be losing minutes to them. He'll get his recently customary roughly 20 mpg, no matter how them or him play. He just said what he did because it's the type of thing you're supposed to say.

There is no vendetta. It's called a message board. Having differing opinions or debating something is what makes it fun and is not the same as arguing. Unfortunately, there's too many overly sensitive people who can't differentiate.

ok you are just grumpy I am guessing. I am staying away from this one.