the messi failed to make the world cup in his prime and with a stacked team thread

[dfens]

might happen, might not happen, that schedule is looking brutal tbh. Bumpable both ways tbh. :lol

[Canyonero]

It's funny cause Argentina won all the matches Messi played.

[dfens]

It's funny cause Argentina won all the matches Messi played.

why do you have to ruin this thread nigga? :lol scratch that. who is gonna remember in 10 years anyway? :lol

[Canyonero]

why do you have to ruin this thread nigga? :lol scratch that. who is gonna remember in 10 years anyway? :lol

It will be engraved in his tomb tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Signing in, I'm here for this

[140]

good thread tbqh OP :tu

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Portugal without Ronaldo >>>> Argentina without Messi

[spursistan]

Son, bad timing trying to troll Missi fans, tbh..

That goal against Uruguay might prove to be the difference for Argentina between making it or not to next WC :wow..That was an easy L to call if the midget missed the game..

[dfens]

just a casual bump tbh.

[Canyonero]

^ is gay

[dfens]

^ is gay

the fact that this thread's topic is relevant should tell you all you need to know about midget's leadership skills and about the professionalism of the argentine federation tbh son.

[apalisoc_9]

Lol son..they will make it. There's a lot of room for mistakes in South Americas format. In a way, it really serves Argentina and Brazil. Dont they play like 18 games?

If they cut it into two groups of 5 though...that's going to be super tight. A costly loss and you're fucked.

That's why CAF and the AFC despite being poorer in quality have the most nailbiting games in the qualifiers.

You lose a game and you're probably fucked. The more teams playing, the bigger margin of error.

[apalisoc_9]

I've said it a million times, but CONCACAF having 3.5 spots is robbery...

CAF-AFC-CONEMBOL deserve that extra spot. They should set up a tournament where teams from these confed play for two spots. Instead of the rotationg playoff...thats the fairest way to do it.

But I suppose FIFA might encounter scheduling issues.

[DAF86]

Lol son..they will make it. There's a lot of room for mistakes in South Americas format. In a way, it really serves Argentina and Brazil. Dont they play like 18 games?

If they cut it into two groups of 5 though...that's going to be super tight. A costly loss and you're fucked.

That's why CAF and the AFC despite being poorer in quality have the most nailbiting games in the qualifiers.

You lose a game and you're probably fucked. The more teams playing, the bigger margin of error.

I doesn't serve Argentina and Brazil. It serves justice, tbh. Nothing more fair than all vs all home and away. I would love to have a format like that sometime for the WC. That's where you trully reward the best team.

[apalisoc_9]

I doesn't serve Argentina and Brazil. It serves justice, tbh. Nothing more fair than all vs all home and away. I would love to have a format like that sometime for the WC. That's where you trully reward the best team.

Justice? Lol son, did you fail Geography or something?

The reason why All other confeds play their qualifiers is because they have a large number of represebting countries. If we apply the same format in Europe, Asia, CAF they wouldnt have enough time to play all the games with the provided FIFA dates.

South America doesnt have enough borders so they can play this particular format but it also assues Brazil and Argentina a pass even if they lose a good chunk of their games.

[DAF86]

Justice? Lol son, did you fail Geography or something?

The reason why All other confeds play their qualifiers is because they have a large number of represebting countries. If we apply the same format in Europe, Asia, CAF they wouldnt have enough time to play all the games with the provided FIFA dates.

And who says otherwise? I know it is very difficult to apply the same format in the other confederations, but that doesn't mean that it isn't the best, tbh. And yeah, it serves justice becuase the trully best quallify. There's no fluke shit going on.


South America doesnt have enough borders so they can play this particular format but it also assues Brazil and Argentina a pass even if they lose a good chunk of their games.

Nobody gives no-one any pass, tbh. If Argentina and Brazil qualify it is because they are good enough to qualify, if they aren't they wouldn't qualify.

[dfens]

I quite like the world cup format as it is with 32 teams. You get nice variety at start and then when the knockout phase starts you can breathe the tension (the best part). I don't want another UCL, I want a winner takes it all war, that all football fans know and love. Every game is a game 7 tbh.

What I would like to see is less stalling and cheating and more action. This could be achieved with:

1. change the substitution and card mechanism:
instead of 3 subs at the will of the coach have official micro pauses (15-30 seconds, clock stopped) at '15, '30, '45, '60, '75, '90, '105 where the coach can switch whatever he wants, basically unlimited subs but only at defined points in time. This would take away some of the stalling and would enable teams to be able to rest key players, switch out injuries, adjust tactics&personnel in-game, we'd get more interesting games. . Also, to not enable card abuse, put the card limit for each period at 2 cards. You make 3 nasty fouls per 15 mins the other team gets a penaldo, like "in-the-penalty" in basketball. This would also clean up the game, especially in strong vs weak matches.

2. intentional injury fouls
trying to get a player injured? => red card + give a penaldo to the other team

3. implement full video reviews to clean up constroversial calls

4. punish the floppers
flop => red card?
flop in penalty area => penaldo for the other team.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The biggest issue with this thread is that Germany were the FAVORITES in the WC. Argentina were the underdogs. And Messi dragged that team kicking and screaming, without him they don't get past the group stage.

Give him some hell for missing the penalty against Chile, that's fine, but he doesn't deserve any grief at all for the WC.


Also, any Portugese fans here, you need to treat Ronaldo better than this:

Paulo Futre on Cristiano: "He has many enemies in his own country for the way he is. He is a European champion - but without doubt there are people in Portugal who prefer Messi. There was a time when people would chant 'Messi, Messi!' outside the Portugal hotel. Without doubt there are people in Portugal who want Messi to win the Ballon d'Or. This is something very Portuguese."

(fourfourtwo.com)


WTF :lol

[lefty]

Not unusual

Maradona was hated by some Argie fans

Same thing with Drogba in Ivory Coast

It's not uncommon tbh

[Bynumite]

The biggest issue with this thread is that Germany were the FAVORITES in the WC. Argentina were the underdogs. And Messi dragged that team kicking and screaming, without him they don't get past the group stage.

Give him some hell for missing the penalty against Chile, that's fine, but he doesn't deserve any grief at all for the WC.But where was midget after the group stage? It's like watching 2 completely different players at Barca and Argentina. That drop off in performance from a so called GOAT is inexcusable. Oh, and let Ronaldo try to quit the national team after an elimination and media and fans would nail him to the cross but as usual saint midget gets a pass.


Also, any Portugese fans here, you need to treat Ronaldo better than this:

Paulo Futre on Cristiano: "He has many enemies in his own country for the way he is. He is a European champion - but without doubt there are people in Portugal who prefer Messi. There was a time when people would chant 'Messi, Messi!' outside the Portugal hotel. Without doubt there are people in Portugal who want Messi to win the Ballon d'Or. This is something very Portuguese."

(fourfourtwo.com)


WTF :lol

Most of the hate Ronaldo gets stems from his personality and bravado more than his on pitch performance.

Dude's the shit, he knows it and he'll let you know about it. As usual the general public will gravitate towards the athlete perceived as humble, even if he's fake humble.

Midget he's a known HGH user, committed tax fraud, quit the national team and all Ronaldo ever did was being cocky from time to time. At this point i'm convinced midget would have to slap the pope on live tv to maybe get a fraction of the hate Ronaldo gets and even then he would probably get the benefit of the doubt.

[lefty]

ROnaldo is actually a nice dude off the field

[Amuseddaysleeper]

But where was midget after the group stage? It's like watching 2 completely different players at Barca and Argentina. That drop off in performance from a so called GOAT is inexcusable. Oh, and let Ronaldo try to quit the national team after an elimination and media and fans would nail him to the cross but as usual saint midget gets a pass.



Most of the hate Ronaldo gets stems from his personality and bravado more than his on pitch performance.

Dude's the shit, he knows it and he'll let you know about it. As usual the general public will gravitate towards the athlete perceived as humble, even if he's fake humble.

Midget he's a known HGH user, committed tax fraud, quit the national team and all Ronaldo ever did was being cocky from time to time. At this point i'm convinced midget would have to slap the pope on live tv to maybe get a fraction of the hate Ronaldo gets and even then he would probably get the benefit of the doubt.


Messi quitting the national team was a protest to how corrupt and awful the AFA was. Could he have handled it better? Absolutely, but the AFA is probably the most currupt NT front office in the world, and he had to make a statement. Ronaldo also acts like an absolute **** towards his teammates. Not to say Messi is perfect behind closed doors, but far more players enjoyed playing with Messi than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is too selfish and needs the entire team to be built around and depends greatly on others. For Messi, his teams depend on his service to get anything going.

As for the WC, he still assisted on the game winning goal against Switzerland for the knockout round, and was better than he was given credit for in the WC Final. Inarguably, I would say Messi's performance in the WC was better than Ronaldo's from the most recent Euro's. The difference? Ronaldo's teammates actually showed up whereas Messi's were either injured (Aguero, Di Maria for the semi-final and final) or completely shit. The backline for Argentina however was great in that WC.


Messi routinely has better NT performances than Ronaldo, and does it against tougher competition as Portugal's path to the Euro's along with Madrid's in the past CL was one of the easiest in history. Ronaldo is a flat track bully, it is what it is.


And yeah lefty, I actually do think Ronaldo is a decent guy off the pitch. But he needs to stop being so insecure about being gay. I know it would hurt his brand, but the fact that he's lying about sleeping with 3 women on the day of the Euro's right after Koke called him a faggot is just :lol

[lefty]

And yeah lefty, I actually do think Ronaldo is a decent guy off the pitch. But he needs to stop being so insecure about being gay. I know it would hurt his brand, but the fact that he's lying about sleeping with 3 women on the day of the Euro's right after Koke called him a faggot is just :lol
:lol

CR is fuckig weird tbh , this is Portugal's mannequin challenge

:lmao WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyI2ohgGVy4

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol

CR is fuckig weird tbh , this is Portugal's mannequin challenge

:lmao WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyI2ohgGVy4


:lol I saw that, the guy is nuts.


By the way, Barca are gonna get raped during the Clasico. I know you guys are missing Bale, but getting Casimero back is huge.

And Zidane > Enrique

[140]

:lol I saw that, the guy is nuts.


By the way, Barca are gonna get raped during the Clasico. I know you guys are missing Bale, but getting Casimero back is huge.

And Zidane > Enrique

And Godnaldo > Suarez (barthas best player)

[lefty]

:lol I saw that, the guy is nuts.


By the way, Barca are gonna get raped during the Clasico. I know you guys are missing Bale, but getting Casimero back is huge.

And Zidane > Enrique
Well

We have a good momentum right now, I just hope we are not overconfident

And Ramos is back; dude is a clutch goal scorer but he also fuck things up defensively :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

And Godnaldo > Suarez (barthas best player)

Ronaldo isn't better than Suarez, Messi, or Neymar. Ronaldo isn't even the best player on Madrid. He often chokes against the better teams in the league. Atletico was the first great team in a long time Ronaldo has had more than 1 goal against in a match.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Well

We have a good momentum right now, I just hope we are not overconfident

And Ramos is back; dude is a clutch goal scorer but he also fuck things up defensively :lol


Ramos is clutch as fuck tbh.

[lefty]

Ronaldo isn't better than Suarez, Messi, or Neymar. Ronaldo isn't even the best player on Madrid. He often chokes against the better teams in the league. Atletico was the first great team in a long time Ronaldo has had more than 1 goal against in a match.
errrrr


Last Clasico , which was in Barca, 1 man down, Ronaldo scored the game winner

[Amuseddaysleeper]

errrrr


Last Clasico , which was in Barca, 1 man down, Ronaldo scored the game winner

True, but I said more than 1 goal, he was also poor for most of that match but credit should be given for when he scored. Prior to his goal, Bale got robbed of a goal that was incorrectly called offside.

[lefty]

True, but I said more than 1 goal, he was also poor for most of that match but credit should be given for when he scored. Prior to his goal, Bale got robbed of a goal that was incorrectly called offside.
.

CR in the last couple of seasons in a nutshell

You wont see him for for a good part of the game, then he will score a big goal out of nowhere

Same thing vs Atleti, before the game nobody was expecting him to score a hatty

When it matters the most, he shows up

[Amuseddaysleeper]

.

CR in the last couple of seasons in a nutshell

You wont see him for for a good part of the game, then he will score a big goal out of nowhere

Same thing vs Atleti, before the game nobody was expecting him to score a hatty

When it matters the most, he shows up


I disagree with this a lot. He's absent against many of the elite teams, and maybe part of that is because as he's getting older he's becoming more and more of a poacher. But if you look at his group stage scoring vs knockout round scoring in tournaments, it's a big drop off. Now, obviously you can say the teams get much better in the knockout stage but I find Ronaldo is notorious for stat padding against the smaller teams but often gets bailed out vs the bigger ones. His goals vs Atleti were the first I've seen in open play from him against them in a long long time.

Having said that, I will always give credit where credit is due, and at the end of the day, he got the job done vs Atleti. A team Barca (out of the 4-0 win last season) often struggle to break down.

[Bynumite]

Messi quitting the national team was a protest to how corrupt and awful the AFA was. Could he have handled it better? Absolutely, but the AFA is probably the most currupt NT front office in the world, and he had to make a statement. Ronaldo also acts like an absolute **** towards his teammates. Not to say Messi is perfect behind closed doors, but far more players enjoyed playing with Messi than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is too selfish and needs the entire team to be built around and depends greatly on others. For Messi, his teams depend on his service to get anything going.

You sure love to rewrite history to paint midget in a different light :lol

Midget quitting the NT wasn't some noble act to expose corruption. He did it to save his own ass because he didn't wanna deal with the backlash of another choked final for Argentina, a loss he was directly responsible for. He wanted people to feel sorry for him instead. You're being a delusional fanboy.


As for the WC, he still assisted on the game winning goal against Switzerland for the knockout round, and was better than he was given credit for in the WC Final. Inarguably, I would say Messi's performance in the WC was better than Ronaldo's from the most recent Euro's. The difference? Ronaldo's teammates actually showed up whereas Messi's were either injured (Aguero, Di Maria for the semi-final and final) or completely shit. The backline for Argentina however was great in that WC.


Messi routinely has better NT performances than Ronaldo, and does it against tougher competition as Portugal's path to the Euro's along with Madrid's in the past CL was one of the easiest in history. Ronaldo is a flat track bully, it is what it is.

0 goals in 3 finals for Argentina. Midget being a big game player is a myth at this point.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You sure love to rewrite history to paint midget in a different light :lol

Midget quitting the NT wasn't some noble act to expose corruption. He did it to save his own ass because he didn't wanna deal with the backlash of another choked final for Argentina, a loss he was directly responsible for. He wanted people to feel sorry for him instead. You're being a delusional fanboy.



0 goals in 3 finals for Argentina. Midget being a big game player is a myth at this point.

You have destroyed all credibility right there. Messi is tied for most CL goals in the Finals in HISTORY. One away from having the record. Ronaldo is the one who chokes in the big games, you're the biggest fanboy of all.

Messi was never ever the issue for Argentina, his supporting cast. Ronaldo is constantly getting bailed out by his supporting cast against the elite teams because he's much easier to limit than Messi.

[Bynumite]

You have destroyed all credibility right there. Messi is tied for most CL goals in the Finals in HISTORY. One away from having the record. Ronaldo is the one who chokes in the big games, you're the biggest fanboy of all.

Messi was never ever the issue for Argentina, his supporting cast. Ronaldo is constantly getting bailed out by his supporting cast against the elite teams because he's much easier to limit than Messi.

Ronaldo won major trophies everywhere he went since he left the portuguese league, 3 different teams to be exact. He can make an impact everywhere he goes, in teams with different levels of talent. Midget can't win outside Catalunya, his game doesn't translate to success with Argentina because he's a system player that can't function without a stacked Barca team.

Midget was the sole reason Argentina didn't win the last Copa America because he choked a penalty but you still deflect the blame to his teammates who did their job and still call midget a big game player, even though he scored 0 goals in 3 finals for his own country :lmao

You're reaching FAP86 levels of dick riding. Wash the midget's cum off of your eyes son :lmao

[DAF86]

You sure love to rewrite history to paint midget in a different light :lol

Midget quitting the NT wasn't some noble act to expose corruption. He did it to save his own ass because he didn't wanna deal with the backlash of another choked final for Argentina, a loss he was directly responsible for. He wanted people to feel sorry for him instead. You're being a delusional fanboy.



0 goals in 3 finals for Argentina. Midget being a big game player is a myth at this point.

Yeah, you know, except for the fact of Messi being the all time leader in goals and assists in El Clasico and also being the all-time leader in goals scored in finals in all competitions. :lol

You know what's a myth? This shit right here:


It's like watching 2 completely different players at Barca and Argentina. That drop off in performance from a so called GOAT is inexcusable.

Yeah, huge drop off in performance from the GOAT. He's only the all-time leader in goals and assists for Argentina. :lol

[DAF86]

ROnaldo is actually a nice dude off the field

And how the fuck can you possibly know that? :lol

[Bynumite]

Yeah, you know, except for the fact of Messi being the all time leader in goals and assists in El Clasico and also being the all-time leader in goals scored in finals in all competitions. :lol

You know what's a myth? This shit right here:



Yeah, huge drop off in performance from the GOAT. He's only the all-time leader in goals and assists for Argentina. :lol

Midget stat-padding against Bosnia, Iran and Nigeria but nowhere to be found after the group stage and in 3 finals :lmao

Scores in finals for Barca but can't score in finals for Argentina. If that's not called a drop off in performance, i don't know what that is :wakeup

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Ronaldo won major trophies everywhere he went since he left the portuguese league, 3 different teams to be exact. He can make an impact everywhere he goes, in teams with different levels of talent. Midget can't win outside Catalunya, his game doesn't translate to success with Argentina because he's a system player that can't function without a stacked Barca team.

Midget was the sole reason Argentina didn't win the last Copa America because he choked a penalty but you still deflect the blame to his teammates who did their job and still call midget a big game player, even though he scored 0 goals in 3 finals for his own country :lmao

You're reaching FAP86 levels of dick riding. Wash the midget's cum off of your eyes son :lmao

Is this a joke?!?! Ronaldo has a team built for him far more than any other player in the world. Messi moved to the right to accomdate Suarez, Ronaldo never ever changes things up to benefit other players. Ronaldo has always been on stacked teams, United won titles before he arrived, and continue to win them after he left. Portugal won a Euro final WITHOUT him, how did Argentina do when Messi didn't play?

Be a fan of Ronaldo all you want, he's a top 5-6 player in the world for sure. But don't even pretend like Messi is a system player. He IS the system. Horrible horrible takes all around.

Ronaldo has won ONE La Liga in 8 years, for a team that has spent more money on their squad than any other. And when Madrid do win trophies, Ronaldo is ALWAYS a ghost in the Finals. He needs Ramos to bail him out time and time again. Ronaldo is declining rapidly, and doesn't have the vision that Messi does.

Put down the crack pipe.

[Bynumite]

Is this a joke?!?! Ronaldo has a team built for him far more than any other player in the world. Messi moved to the right to accomdate Suarez, Ronaldo never ever changes things up to benefit other players. Ronaldo has always been on stacked teams, United won titles before he arrived, and continue to win them after he left. Portugal won a Euro final WITHOUT him, how did Argentina do when Messi didn't play?

United won their last CL when Ronaldo was still there and he scored in the final. They haven't won another ever since he left.

Argentina actually beat Chile without midget during the Copa America group stage but lost 2 finals against them with midget playing. I would say his teammates did pretty well for themselves without the cancerous choking midget :lmao

Midget has had by far the most stacked supporting casts of all the so called GOATs. Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Neymar, Suarez, Eto'o etc.

Who was the best player at United after Ronaldo? Ryan fucking Giggs? Would you take him over Xavi, Iniesta or Ronaldinho? That's what i thought.


Be a fan of Ronaldo all you want, he's a top 5-6 player in the world for sure. But don't even pretend like Messi is a system player. He IS the system. Horrible horrible takes all around.

Ronaldo has won ONE La Liga in 8 years, for a team that has spent more money on their squad than any other. And when Madrid do win trophies, Ronaldo is ALWAYS a ghost in the Finals. He needs Ramos to bail him out time and time again. Ronaldo is declining rapidly, and doesn't have the vision that Messi does.

Put down the crack pipe.

If Lionel Bieber is the system, he should be winning regardless of who you put around him but how come the system doesn't translate to national team success?

Maybe it's because the system is actually the stacked team midget played next to in Barcelona his whole career.

[dfens]

Ronaldo won major trophies everywhere he went since he left the portuguese league, 3 different teams to be exact. He can make an impact everywhere he goes, in teams with different levels of talent. Midget can't win outside Catalunya, his game doesn't translate to success with Argentina because he's a system player that can't function without a stacked Barca team.

Midget was the sole reason Argentina didn't win the last Copa America because he choked a penalty but you still deflect the blame to his teammates who did their job and still call midget a big game player, even though he scored 0 goals in 3 finals for his own country :lmao

You're reaching FAP86 levels of dick riding. Wash the midget's cum off of your eyes son :lmao

:lmao:lmao:lmao you got that right, he is THE system.

[Jodelo]

Bynumite doing work :bobo

[Canyonero]

Tbf Benchnaldo has the same NT finals goals than Messi

[lefty]

Tbf Benchnaldo has the same NT finals goals than Messi
And 1 more NT title

[dfens]

And 1 more NT title

sons nobody in their right mind would take penaldo over misty, let's be serious tbh. except faggots tbh, should be pretty evident which one they like most. :lmao

[Canyonero]

And 1 more NT title

Without him playing. That just proves Portugal's system is better fwiw.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

United won their last CL when Ronaldo was still there and he scored in the final. They haven't won another ever since he left.

Argentina actually beat Chile without midget during the Copa America group stage but lost 2 finals against them with midget playing. I would say his teammates did pretty well for themselves without the cancerous choking midget :lmao

Midget has had by far the most stacked supporting casts of all the so called GOATs. Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Neymar, Suarez, Eto'o etc.

Who was the best player at United after Ronaldo? Ryan fucking Giggs? Would you take him over Xavi, Iniesta or Ronaldinho? That's what i thought.



If Lionel Bieber is the system, he should be winning regardless of who you put around him but how come the system doesn't translate to national team success?

Maybe it's because the system is actually the stacked team midget played next to in Barcelona his whole career.


What happened to United in 2009 in the Final when they faced Messi? How did Ronaldo do? Oh right, he was a SHIT, and Messi scored the goal that put the game to rest!

United still won an EPL title after Ronaldo left, and were winning many titles before he arrived. United were one of the most stacked teams of the 2000's. Real Madrid are incredibly stacked as well. While Xavi and Iniesta are incredible, they've had tons of fantastic world class players play for them and only have ONE La Liga to show for it. And this is when the team literally is forced to feed Ronaldo every single game to keep his stats and ego up. Ronaldo only plays for himself.


You have to go back EIGHT years before finding Ronaldo having a great performance in the Finals. Messi was superb in the 2015 CL final.

If you remove Messi from Argentina, the only bright spot was beating a Chile team that was at their WORST during the group stage and only advanced to the knockout round once they got a dodgy penalty in the 96th minute to help them advance. After that, they were on fire.

You switch Ronaldo with Messi for their NT teams and Argentina easily does worse. How often for Argentina can you EVER say his teammates carried him? If Argentina played a final without Messi do they win? No, they don't. Portugal looked HORRIBLE the first 20 minutes on the pitch for the Final when Ronaldo played, but once he went off? Surprise surprise Portugal looked to be at their best. Their coach was also better than any coach Messi had for the NT.

Portugal without Ronaldo would beat Argentina without Messi. Ronaldo is a much much bigger choker than Messi, it's not even remotely close. As much as you harp on the NT, Ronaldo barely played in the final and had the easiest path in Euro history. He's a flat track bully which has been proven time and time again.

Think about it, the most memorable moment for Ronaldo is being on the sidelines, I mean holy shit :lol

There is no argument for Penaldo >> Messi. You'd have to be into penalties and diving to even see it, and even then anyone with half a brain knows Messi is the obvious answer. No team in the world would take Ronaldo over Messi. Messi doesn't even have to assist or score to have a massive influence on the game. Ronaldo needs to wait on other players to make him look good.

If you removed Messi from Barca, they'll look good in spurts but in the end Barca with Messi is far far better than Barca without Messi. The difference is night and day, especially this season.

Remove Modric or Kroos or Casimero from Real Madrid and they'll suffer far more than they would if Ronaldo was injured. Hell, unlike Messi, Ronaldo had to get subbed off against Las Palmas because he was SO shit. He was literally hurting the team. Never ever happens with Messi. Ronaldo's shittiest games are far worse than Messi's, and his best games aren't as good as Messi's finest games.

When you're off your knees from sucking off Penaldo, maybe you'll see the light.

[140]

My nigga bynumite doing the lord's work ITT tbh


mite

[lefty]

My nigga bynumite doing the lord's work ITT tbh


mite

[Canyonero]

Quoting his alt smh

[DAF86]

If Lionel Bieber is the system, he should be winning regardless of who you put around him but how come the system doesn't translate to national team success?

Maybe it's because the system is actually the stacked team midget played next to in Barcelona his whole career.

You are talking like Messi doesn't even get out of the group stages in tournaments (like Sidenaldo with Portugal in WCs). :lol Dude gets to everyfucking final, and lost them all in penalties and OT, never in regulation. Messi hasn't won a ship with Argentina, but only by the slimest of margins. The chances Higuian and Palacio missed on the WC final are capitalized by 99% of the other strikers outthere. Had Messi had an Eder instead of any of those two and he would be standing a WC champion. Do you really think a Higuain/Palacio miss makes Messi a lesser player?

[140]

Not sure where this notion of me being a lefty alt came from, but it's an honor tbh :toast

[Canyonero]

Proud of being beta smh

[lefty]

Not sure where this notion of me being a lefty alt came from, but it's an honor tbh :toast
:bobo

[dfens]

this thread will be serious :lol in a couple of months tbh

[dfens]

Without him playing. That just proves Portugal's system is better fwiw.

goat system tbh.

http://www.cathnewsusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Catholics-praying.jpg

[dfens]

What happened to United in 2009 in the Final when they faced Messi? How did Ronaldo do? Oh right, he was a SHIT, and Messi scored the goal that put the game to rest!

United still won an EPL title after Ronaldo left, and were winning many titles before he arrived. United were one of the most stacked teams of the 2000's. Real Madrid are incredibly stacked as well. While Xavi and Iniesta are incredible, they've had tons of fantastic world class players play for them and only have ONE La Liga to show for it. And this is when the team literally is forced to feed Ronaldo every single game to keep his stats and ego up. Ronaldo only plays for himself.


You have to go back EIGHT years before finding Ronaldo having a great performance in the Finals. Messi was superb in the 2015 CL final.

If you remove Messi from Argentina, the only bright spot was beating a Chile team that was at their WORST during the group stage and only advanced to the knockout round once they got a dodgy penalty in the 96th minute to help them advance. After that, they were on fire.

You switch Ronaldo with Messi for their NT teams and Argentina easily does worse. How often for Argentina can you EVER say his teammates carried him? If Argentina played a final without Messi do they win? No, they don't. Portugal looked HORRIBLE the first 20 minutes on the pitch for the Final when Ronaldo played, but once he went off? Surprise surprise Portugal looked to be at their best. Their coach was also better than any coach Messi had for the NT.

Portugal without Ronaldo would beat Argentina without Messi. Ronaldo is a much much bigger choker than Messi, it's not even remotely close. As much as you harp on the NT, Ronaldo barely played in the final and had the easiest path in Euro history. He's a flat track bully which has been proven time and time again.

Think about it, the most memorable moment for Ronaldo is being on the sidelines, I mean holy shit :lol

There is no argument for Penaldo >> Messi. You'd have to be into penalties and diving to even see it, and even then anyone with half a brain knows Messi is the obvious answer. No team in the world would take Ronaldo over Messi. Messi doesn't even have to assist or score to have a massive influence on the game. Ronaldo needs to wait on other players to make him look good.

If you removed Messi from Barca, they'll look good in spurts but in the end Barca with Messi is far far better than Barca without Messi. The difference is night and day, especially this season.

Remove Modric or Kroos or Casimero from Real Madrid and they'll suffer far more than they would if Ronaldo was injured. Hell, unlike Messi, Ronaldo had to get subbed off against Las Palmas because he was SO shit. He was literally hurting the team. Never ever happens with Messi. Ronaldo's shittiest games are far worse than Messi's, and his best games aren't as good as Messi's finest games.

When you're off your knees from sucking off Penaldo, maybe you'll see the light.

you are right tbh, but comparing united to barca is just :lmao

[Amuseddaysleeper]

you are right tbh, but comparing united to barca is just :lmao

No no, I think Barca was better than United, I honestly meant to say "one of the most stacked teams of the 2000's" but let's not act like United was a team full of scrubs. They were always an elite team during that era, before Ronaldo joined, and did pretty well even right after he left although now they're obviously shit.

[dfens]

No no, I think Barca was better than United, I honestly meant to say "one of the most stacked teams of the 2000's" but let's not act like United was a team full of scrubs. They were always an elite team during that era, before Ronaldo joined, and did pretty well even right after he left although now they're obviously shit.

well, they were one of the very good teams, but they were nowhere near the strength of barca / bayern / real / old milan level teams. They were just outclassed by a historically great team, no shame in that, but they are in different tiers tbh. It's like comparing spain with belgium.

[DAF86]

well, they were one of the very good teams, but they were nowhere near the strength of barca / bayern / real / old milan level teams. They were just outclassed by a historically great team, no shame in that, but they are in different tiers tbh. It's like comparing spain with belgium.

United was fucking stacked in those years. They made the UCL final in 3 out of 4 years. Something no other team has accomplished in recent years.

[Bynumite]

United was fucking stacked in those years. They made the UCL final in 3 out of 4 years. Something no other team has accomplished in recent years.

Has good as they were, players like Giggs, Scholes, Rooney were never seen on the same level as Iniesta, Xavi, Ronaldinho for example. Ronaldo was the x factor on that United team and what put them over the top. The latter 3 have either won or been in the top 3 discussion for the ballon d'or, they're also world cup winners, got the job done without midget.

Like i said, midget has had the most elite help of any other GOAT player throughout his carreer and that's not even debatable. Also, on paper Argentina is the most stacked team in the world too, not named Germany.

[DAF86]

Has good as they were, players like Giggs, Scholes, Rooney were never seen on the same level as Iniesta, Xavi, Ronaldinho for example. Ronaldo was the x factor on that United team and what put them over the top. The latter 3 have either won or been in the top 3 discussion for the ballon d'or, they're also world cup winners, got the job done without midget.

Like i said, midget has had the most elite help of any other GOAT player throughout his carreer and that's not even debatable. Also, on paper Argentina is the most stacked team in the world too, not named Germany.

Yeah, that's why Manu, after Ronaldo left, kept winning titles and making UCL finals. The X factor for Manu was Fergie, when he left is that United stopped being good.

[Bynumite]

You are talking like Messi doesn't even get out of the group stages in tournaments (like Sidenaldo with Portugal in WCs). :lol Dude gets to everyfucking final, and lost them all in penalties and OT, never in regulation. Messi hasn't won a ship with Argentina, but only by the slimest of margins. The chances Higuian and Palacio missed on the WC final are capitalized by 99% of the other strikers outthere. Had Messi had an Eder instead of any of those two and he would be standing a WC champion. Do you really think a Higuain/Palacio miss makes Messi a lesser player?

If Lionel Bieber performed like he does at Barcelona he would be a WC recipient by now but he's a system player that can't function outside Catalunya, a mental and physical midget. Which leaves you here, stuck bragging about meaningless player of the tournament trophies and blaming his elite supporting cast that midget fails to make better.

[DAF86]

If Lionel Bieber performed like he does at Barcelona he would be a WC recipient by now but he's a system player that can't function outside Catalunya, a mental and physical midget. Which leaves you here, stuck bragging about player of the tournament trophies and blaming his elite supporting cast that midget fails to make better.

Dude, do you really think Messi is a "system player" or are you just trolling? I just want to know if I underestimated your retardedness level, tbh. :lol

[Bynumite]

Dude, do you really think Messi is a "system player" or are you just trolling? I just want to know if I underestimated your retardedness level, tbh. :lol

There's absolutely no reason for midget to not have at least one Copa America by now. Argentina is by far the best team in the Americas but midget keeps choking and playing a lot of notches below his Barcelona level.

[dfens]

United was fucking stacked in those years. They made the UCL final in 3 out of 4 years. Something no other team has accomplished in recent years.

extremely consistent and with serious luck? yes.
xavi-iniesta-messi historically stacked? no. this creation trio alone is more valuable in real football than the entire united team.

[dfens]

a guy from work just put a 1k drunken bet on argentina missing the world cup :lol first I laughed at this but tbh the odds were kind of interesting.

[Kawhitstorm]

Ronaldo isn't better than Suarez, Messi, or Neymar. Ronaldo isn't even the best player on Madrid. He often chokes against the better teams in the league. Atletico was the first great team in a long time Ronaldo has had more than 1 goal against in a match.

When was the last time Missi scored in El Clasico?:wakeup

[Kawhitstorm]

Remove Modric or Kroos or Casimero from Real Madrid and they'll suffer far more than they would if Ronaldo was injured. Hell, unlike Messi, Ronaldo had to get subbed off against Las Palmas because he was SO shit. He was literally hurting the team. Never ever happens with Messi.

:lmao

Barfa went on their best run last season when Missi was out. Neymar is at his best when he's making runs w/ the ball & creating chances, he can't do that much often when Missi is on the field. That's also the reason Di Maria doesn't play well w/ Missi.

Godnaldo lets Bale do what he does best which is making runs w/ the ball but he would have been underutilized if he played w/ Missi. Folks unjustifiably blame Godnaldo for enabling his teammates to shine by occupying defenders.:rolleyes

[Kawhitstorm]

Yeah, that's why Manu, after Ronaldo left, kept winning titles and making UCL finals. The X factor for Manu was Fergie, when he left is that United stopped being good.

Once Mou came into the scene, Fergie was getting cucked before CR7 became a world-class player. They used the money from the sale of CR7 to sustain their run, it wasn't like Rooney took over.:lol

Let's no act like Arsenal/ManUre weren't so much better than the rest during the pre-Mou era that Arsenal went undefeated for an ENTIRE season.:lol Besides, it took a miracle for Fergie to win his first & only CL title before Godnaldo.

[DAF86]

Once Mou came into the scene, Fergie was getting cucked before CR7 became a world-class player. They used the money from the sale of CR7 to sustain their run, it wasn't like Rooney took over.:lol

Let's no act like Arsenal/ManUre weren't so much better than the rest during the pre-Mou era that Arsenal went undefeated for an ENTIRE season.:lol Besides, it took a miracle for Fergie to win his first & only CL title before Godnaldo.

Dude, that's exactly what happened. :lol Rooney had the best seasons of his career after Sidenaldo left. I remember folks saying he was a top 3 player in the World.

It's like you purposely say the complete opposite of what happens in reality. :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Dude, that's exactly what happened. :lol Rooney had the best seasons of his career after Sidenaldo left. I remember folks saying he was a top 3 player in the World.

That season was a mirage, Fregie bought Valencia & moved Rooney into a CF role which was why his scoring tally essentially doubled. When he had to partner up w/ Berbatov FULL-TIME the following season he came back down to earth.

"Top 3 player in the world" can't even outplay Berbatov::lmao

[Brazil]

The fact that Messi is the super star playing with most stacked team ever is not really debattable... that's quite different than winning titles with Napoli tbh

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The fact that Messi is the super star playing with most stacked team ever is not really debattable... that's quite different than winning titles with Napoli tbh

It is, but Messi's consistency trumps Maradonna's whose drug habit messed him up.


Even when Xavi retires and Iniesta retire, Messi will still be winning titles.

[Jodelo]

Even when Xavi retires and Iniesta retire, Messi will still be winning titles.

Because he has Neymar and Suarez.

[lefty]

Because he has Neymar and Suarez.
Good point

[DAF86]

When you are good, you tend to play in stacked teams, tbh. Fools acting like Messi is the only one that has good teammates. :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

When you are good, you tend to play in stacked teams, tbh. Fools acting like Messi is the only one that has good teammates. :lol

Nani:lmao
Quarsema:lmao