Training Camp Waivers 2016

[tbdog]

Archie Goodwin has a lot of potential, but doesn't he have some locker room/off-court issues? Can't see this franchise tolerating that, tbh..

Reports that the Morris twins, Tucker, and Goodwin were causing some off court drama. That was a while ago though.

[spursistan]

Phoenix destroyed their franchise so quickly, what a pathetic job, tbh..they looked like the next up and coming franchise, just 3 years ago, with a ton of assets and flexibility to make a splash..what a disaster..
They can still take Softridge :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

All these young wings waived... Spurs weren't getting a 2nd round pick for Simmons... :lol

If anything, the Bucks are dumb for trading MCW for Snell. They could have picked up RJ Hunter & traded MCW to the Kings for at least a 2nd rd pick.:lol

[SAGirl]

Phoenix destroyed their franchise so quickly, what a pathetic job, tbh..they looked like the next up and coming franchise, just 3 years ago, with a ton of assets and flexibility to make a splash..what a disaster..
And guys have left there disgruntled too. Not placing too much of this in Goodwin. I mean who knows? But seeing how everything else blown up to hell, he's 22. Perspective.

[Kawhitstorm]

Phoenix destroyed their franchise so quickly, what a pathetic job, tbh..they looked like the next up and coming franchise, just 3 years ago, with a ton of assets and flexibility to make a splash..what a disaster..

They hired this entitled prick:

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[spursistan]

If anything, the Bucks are dumb for trading MCW for Snell. They could have picked up RJ Hunter & traded MCW to the Kings for at least a 2nd rd pick.:lol
thy have been getting lowballed much like the Sixers on Noel/Okafor..they have tipped their hand on him being on the block since mid last season.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd cut Simmons and sign Goodwin asap. tbh

[spursistan]

I'd cut Simmons and sign Goodwin asap. tbh
Same here..Dude just turned 22 :wow..a buy-low move with an eye on 20018-2019 teams..Spurs got to take fliers on guys in this mold maybe someone will pan out.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'd cut Simmons and sign Goodwin asap. tbh

He's going to be picked up off the waiver wire by the Kings.:bang

[sasaint]

Same here..Dude just turned 22 :wow..a buy-low move with an eye on 20018-2019 teams..Spurs got to take fliers on guys in this mold maybe someone will pan out.

Just don't see PATFO doing that - not the "Spurs Way." They will keep Simmons for the time invested, corporate knowledge, etc... and the new guys because they are PATFO's guys. Who knows maybe Lapro or Forbes pans out.

[TD 21]

The Suns were in discussions with multiple teams about Goodwin, so it's highly unlikely he'll clear waivers. Even in the unlikely event he does, he was griping about minutes a while back and there's no path to a rotation spot with the Spurs.

Foolish as it was, that's more than likely why the Suns waived him and kept Jenkins and Jones, who should just be happy to be in the league.

This is why the Barbosa signing was pointless. Chandler, Dudley and Tucker, would have sufficed for veteran leadership. Goodwin should have been the fourth guard instead of sixth.



If anything, the Bucks are dumb for trading MCW for Snell. They could have picked up RJ Hunter & traded MCW to the Kings for at least a 2nd rd pick.:lol

Snell is more proven and even though he doesn't actually excel at either, is more of a 3 and D type than Hunter, who lacks the physical tools to ever add the latter.

[ace3g]

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[SAGirl]

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I thought he was going to make a roster. Good for him.

[GSH]

Just don't see PATFO doing that - not the "Spurs Way."


PM me your cell number. Rasual Butler wants to talk. :lol

[sasaint]

I thought he was going to make a roster. Good for him.

Just one of those guys who doesn't do much except WIN. I hope he can carve out an NBA career for himself.

[sasaint]

PM me your cell number. Rasual Butler wants to talk. :lol

Touché. Not the usual Spurs Way...? SMH.

[SAGirl]

Just don't see PATFO doing that - not the "Spurs Way." They will keep Simmons for the time invested, corporate knowledge, etc... and the new guys because they are PATFO's guys. Who knows maybe Lapro or Forbes pans out.


PM me your cell number. Rasual Butler wants to talk. :lol

Kidding aside, I think we have to buy that Pop has been hopeful about him all this time. I remember Pop using the specific words "hopeful", plus they have given him uncharacteristic leash to make mistakes. I noticed that last season already with how much leash Pop gave him, whereas Anderson in contrast was: "one mistake you are out". I think the strict leash worked wonders for Anderson and helped him improve. Without that who knows how he would have turned out, he cannot afford to take his attention away from one second.

Anyways, they have been trying to deal with his "mental blocks" and other issues but appear to be hopeful all this time that maybe what he has is indeed mental. At some point, there is not going to be more assurances that they can give him, so either it's a mental thing or he's really not that talented. I think Pop wants to find out.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Hunter and Goodwin are too good to not be picked up through waivers. Too small of a chance of happening.

[AFBlue]

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Weren't the Spurs reportedly high on Goodwin in his draft year?

[tonight...you]

Weren't the Spurs reportedly high on Goodwin in his draft year?
Old boy won't make past waivers... even if they are still interested.

imo

[SAGirl]

Weren't the Spurs reportedly high on Goodwin in his draft year?
I don't remember, but he went 29 in 2013 and that season Spurs drafted LJC at 28... sooo... ??:huh
they were higher on LJC?

[GSH]

Touché. Not the usual Spurs Way...? SMH.


Just yanking your chain a little. I think it's pretty obvious that the Spurs see enough in Simmons to keep going with him. And we've seen plenty of times where the Spurs work hard to do right by guys - players, assistant coaches, and staff. I don't think there's any way the Spurs would dump Simmons for another project. I'm sure they would make him part of a trade for a clearly better player, but I don't think they would just dump him now that he's made the roster.

[sasaint]

Just yanking your chain a little. I think it's pretty obvious that the Spurs see enough in Simmons to keep going with him. And we've seen plenty of times where the Spurs work hard to do right by guys - players, assistant coaches, and staff. I don't think there's any way the Spurs would dump Simmons for another project. I'm sure they would make him part of a trade for a clearly better player, but I don't think they would just dump him now that he's made the roster.

Yeah, I agree. PATFO will see the experiment through to the end - bitter or sweet. I cannot help rooting for a guy like Simmons - I am a sucker for underdogs. But last season I thought he'd make it; this season I hope he makes it - with an ever-diminishing hope.

[raybies]

Oh I didn't see this but Isaiah cousins got waived. Spurs had him in a few workouts. I really like him in college and he's a combo guard. I wouldn't be surprised to see spurs make move for him D league that is. He's got great work ethic. Gym rat. Him and buddy hields were said to be in the gym all the time. One can hope. Much rather have him than anyone else on the list. He's a solid defender too. I really think the Kings flubbed here.

[SAGirl]

Spurs have in their inactive list for the opening night game: Bryn Forbes and Danny Green.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2016-17-nba-opening-night-rosters/

[tonight...you]

Spurs have in their inactive list for the opening night game: Bryn Forbes and Danny Green.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2016-17-nba-opening-night-rosters/
Let's make this happen, Cap'n...

I am so very ready.

[SAGirl]

Let's make this happen, Cap'n...

I am so very ready.

I was surprised to see they left Forbes in the inactive list with his incredible shooting.

I foresee a battle between Simmons and Dijon coming up for this season... and TBH I think Dijon is up for it. :stirpot:

[sasaint]

Kidding aside, I think we have to buy that Pop has been hopeful about him all this time. I remember Pop using the specific words "hopeful", plus they have given him uncharacteristic leash to make mistakes. I noticed that last season already with how much leash Pop gave him, whereas Anderson in contrast was: "one mistake you are out". I think the strict leash worked wonders for Anderson and helped him improve. Without that who knows how he would have turned out, he cannot afford to take his attention away from one second.

Anyways, they have been trying to deal with his "mental blocks" and other issues but appear to be hopeful all this time that maybe what he has is indeed mental. At some point, there is not going to be more assurances that they can give him, so either it's a mental thing or he's really not that talented. I think Pop wants to find out.

I hope that Pop can reconstitute Simmons. But what kind of bewilders me is that, as I recall, Pop touted Simmons' court vision and passing early on, and he really hasn't shown that kind of awareness. He forces the same plays on offense and commits the same errors on defense - mostly errors of over-commitment on both sides of the ball. Failing to show any appreciable progress toward resolving those issues does indicate his fundamental problem is mental. But he must be a mental midget to be incapable of grasping fundamentals that are, doubtless, preached to him every practice.

[tonight...you]

I was surprised to see they left Forbes in the inactive list with his incredible shooting.

I foresee a battle between Simmons and Dijon coming up for this season... and TBH I think Dijon is up for it. :stirpot:
Damn right. Simmons is a cul-de-sac, with nowhere to go. Murray can do things that Simmons can't do already, he just needs some of Pop's Ol' Fashion Fisherman's Seasoning, with Bay leaves.

I make many a soup with that base... Usually a winner. After so many beers and cocktails and whatnots.

Think I'm going to watch Hillbilly's In A Haunted House and laugh at the 60's white people...
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[raybies]

I was surprised to see they left Forbes in the inactive list with his incredible shooting.

I foresee a battle between Simmons and Dijon coming up for this season... and TBH I think Dijon is up for it. :stirpot:

He's got that swag that Simmons is missing or you might say confidence. He's the type of kid that'd be a lone bright spot in a loss tomorrow imo. But we'll see. Might not even play. Depends on Simmons and how much we are losing by.

[GSH]

I hope that Pop can reconstitute Simmons. But what kind of bewilders me is that, as I recall, Pop touted Simmons' court vision and passing early on, and he really hasn't shown that kind of awareness. He forces the same plays on offense and commits the same errors on defense - mostly errors of over-commitment on both sides of the ball. Failing to show any appreciable progress toward resolving those issues does indicate his fundamental problem is mental. But he must be a mental midget to be incapable of grasping fundamentals that are, doubtless, preached to him every practice.


It's always good to remember that in pre-season, we're only seeing them for 5-6 minute stretches, usually playing with several guys who won't make the roster. The Spurs' staff has been watching him in the gym every day.

I think Simmons would kick ass in the D-League, and put up some big numbers. Obviously he has to be able to do it at the next level. But the point is, he's at a different level from those guys. I'm still reserving judgment until I see him in regular season games, with regular season teammates.

[sasaint]

It's always good to remember that in pre-season, we're only seeing them for 5-6 minute stretches, usually playing with several guys who won't make the roster. The Spurs' staff has been watching him in the gym every day.

I think Simmons would kick ass in the D-League, and put up some big numbers. Obviously he has to be able to do it at the next level. But the point is, he's at a different level from those guys. I'm still reserving judgment until I see him in regular season games, with regular season teammates.

Yes, PATFO obviously see much, much more of players, and in many more combinations for longer stretches than we basketball savants on ST. So perhaps Simmons will reconstitute like a Sea Monkey and become a real rotation contributor this season. I will have hope until the guy... Well, I'm just more skeptical than I was a year ago.

[sasaint]

I am surprised that Kawhistorm hasn't brought up the fact that his guy, Gary Payton II, was waived...

[SAGirl]

It's always good to remember that in pre-season, we're only seeing them for 5-6 minute stretches, usually playing with several guys who won't make the roster. The Spurs' staff has been watching him in the gym every day.

I think Simmons would kick ass in the D-League, and put up some big numbers. Obviously he has to be able to do it at the next level. But the point is, he's at a different level from those guys. I'm still reserving judgment until I see him in regular season games, with regular season teammates.
He hasn't though. He averaged something like 15 pts and a whole lot of TO. /sigh and many of those baskets were a lot of Anderson-->Simmons alley oops and transition baskets. Believe me, I watched. I think he has improved his handles, he was much worse, but not enough for as ball dominant as he wants to be.

Anyways, if I were coaching him, I'd tell him to get teammates involved more and to play with his crew. He plays with some pretty unselfish dudes. The bench moves the ball better without Simmons. He has forced shots too much and gotten in trouble that way.

It's the kind of thing, where one is wondering if he's been told to push the envelope or if he truly cannot grasp what is being told to him, like sasaint is wondering. Not everyone can learn, that is why guys have ceilings and are not stars. The question with him is if he can play a role. Even Anderson has had to change his game, a heck of a whole lot more.

[tonight...you]

He hasn't though. He averaged something like 15 pts and a whole lot of TO. /sigh and many of those baskets were a lot of Anderson-->Simmons alley oops and transition baskets. Believe me, I watched. I think he has improved his handles, he was much worse, but not enough for as ball dominant as he wants to be.

Anyways, if I were coaching him, I'd tell him to get teammates involved more and to play with his crew. He plays with some pretty unselfish dudes. The bench moves the ball better without Simmons. He has forced shots too much and gotten in trouble that way.

It's the kind of thing, where one is wondering if he's been told to push the envelope or if he truly cannot grasp what is being told to him, like sasaint (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=12242) is wondering. Not everyone can learn, that is why guys have ceilings and are not stars. The question with him is if he can play a role. Even Anderson has had to change his game, a heck of a whole lot more.
Simmons will be a chapter in the Spur's history book, long forgotten, long before he will be remembered.

Old boy's destined to go away... Dust in the wind. All we are, except for a few. Time to go, Simms. Nothing, but love, but no remembrance either. Sorry. No better than Lloyd Daniels, in the annals.

[GSH]

He hasn't though. He averaged something like 15 pts and a whole lot of TO. /sigh and many of those baskets were a lot of Anderson-->Simmons alley oops and transition baskets. Believe me, I watched. I think he has improved his handles, he was much worse, but not enough for as ball dominant as he wants to be.

Anyways, if I were coaching him, I'd tell him to get teammates involved more and to play with his crew. He plays with some pretty unselfish dudes. The bench moves the ball better without Simmons. He has forced shots too much and gotten in trouble that way.

It's the kind of thing, where one is wondering if he's been told to push the envelope or if he truly cannot grasp what is being told to him, like sasaint is wondering. Not everyone can learn, that is why guys have ceilings and are not stars. The question with him is if he can play a role. Even Anderson has had to change his game, a heck of a whole lot more.


Careful! Last year Simmons only played 4 games in the D-League. But the year before, he and Kyle both played a lot of games in Austin. Simmons averaged 3.1 TOV per 36 minutes. Kyle averaged 3.0 TOV per 36 minutes. Simmons shot .398 from 3P, Kyle shot .354 from 3P. Simmons dished 3.9 AST per 36 minutes, and Kyle had 4.3 AST per 36 minutes (and he was a POINT-forward). Anderson had a .459 2P%, and Simmons had a .523 2P%.

You can't have it both ways.

[GSH]

Simmons will be a chapter in the Spur's history book, long forgotten, long before he will be remembered.


I never claimed he was going to get his number retired. Just that management has its reasons for giving him a roster spot vs. dumping him for some young project.

[tonight...you]

I never claimed he was going to get his number retired. Just that management has its reasons for giving him a roster spot vs. dumping him for some young project.
Weird response. Did I mention any of that? #'s retired? I don't think so... Maybe I should go back over my history.
Nope... didn't find any of that.

'Splain yo'self, brotha.

[Kawhitstorm]

I am surprised that Kawhistorm hasn't brought up the fact that his guy, Gary Payton II, was waived...

I haven't been on NBA twitter this afternoon so I'm not up on the wavier wire.:lol

In any case, with Leprosy/Forbes being signed & Murray being drafted....there is probably no room for a 6'3" guard.

I could only see PATFO going after him if they want to ship out Patty & promote Leprosy to being Porker's primary backup. In that case, GPIII could be the 3rd PG like CoJo.

If it was up to me, I would package Patty/Simmons for a backup wing: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gr7b8nv

Hollinger's Analysis: +33 wins:wow


The Kings are unlikely to agree to an extension with Ben McLemore," revealed Rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/2118/ben-mclemore). The report added, "The deadline is Oct. 31, but it's not a secret that McLemore has been on the trade block for more than the past year. The Kings signed Arron Afflalo to be their starting shooting guard and drafted Malachi Richardson, so a move away from Sacramento would probably be the best thing for McLemore. If the Kings are able to move him, don't expect them to get much in return.

It is believed throughout NBA circles that McLemore's best playing days would come in a different uniform; his name has been linked to much trade chatter the past few years.

[TheCerebral1]

RJ Hunter, got waived by Boston, that's an interesting name. Not saying I've watched much of the Celtics in the recent past.

[SPURt]

I haven't been on NBA twitter this afternoon so I'm not up on the wavier wire.:lol

If it was up to me, I would package Patty/Simmons for a backup wing: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gr7b8nv

Hollinger's Analysis: +33 wins:wow
+33 ??? I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself.

[SAGirl]

Careful! Last year Simmons only played 4 games in the D-League. But the year before, he and Kyle both played a lot of games in Austin. Simmons averaged 3.1 TOV per 36 minutes. Kyle averaged 3.0 TOV per 36 minutes. Simmons shot .398 from 3P, Kyle shot .354 from 3P. Simmons dished 3.9 AST per 36 minutes, and Kyle had 4.3 AST per 36 minutes (and he was a POINT-forward). Anderson had a .459 2P%, and Simmons had a .523 2P%.

You can't have it both ways.

Indeed... but Anderson went through phases where he would TO the ball out of a post up, it was not ballhandling so much as him struggling with the "forward" post up part of his game that Pop wanted him to work on (which is still a development project I will admit). Sure, he had the occasional travel and the overambitious Manu or Diaw like pass, but a lot of his mistakes were out of learning to post up -- an area that is still probably raw in his game as he's tall and lanky.

Simmons TO were ballhandling for the most part, and passing to ppl that were covered. The same mistakes we still see. Believe me I watched. Otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it. Anyways, seeing as Anderson is not turning the ball over at the same rate as he was then and has played well within a role, I am not concerned. I suppose if Pop posted him up a lot more mistakes and TO would creep up and I think we have seen him either be blocked or had the ball stolen on occasion out of the post.

Simmons TO were different. A lot of poor ballhandling and passing to ppl who were not open. Same thing we still see.

[Kawhitstorm]

+33 ??? I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself.

I guess a backup wing is the key to unlocking Hollinger's formula.:lol

[GSH]

Simmons will be a chapter in the Spur's history book, long forgotten, long before he will be remembered.

Weird response. Did I mention any of that? #'s retired? I don't think so... Maybe I should go back over my history.


Of course he's not going to be remembered as a great player. The Spurs have to fill a roster. They're all flawed, near the end of the bench. I'd just been commenting that the Spurs have their reasons, I'm sure, for giving him a roster spot over some younger project. Nothing more or less than that.

Every now and then, one of those guys like Simmons amounts to more. Do you remember Anthony Parker? He didn't amount to shit his first few years in the league. He went off to play for Maccabi, and came back as a very solid guard. Not a star, but solid. Simmons got a late start, but I could see him becoming a guy you want on your bench still. Probably not, but no less likely than most of the guys who are getting waived right now.

[SAGirl]

If it was up to me, I would package Patty/Simmons for a backup wing: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gr7b8nv

Hollinger's Analysis: +33 wins:wow
Wow... what an eye opener.

[apalisoc_9]

Mitch McGary was waived...Surprising imo.

Really decent rollguy, able defender and rebounder. I wonder if any team will sign him after his suspension

[apalisoc_9]

I guess a backup wing is the key to unlocking Hollinger's formula.:lol

Spurs +19 wins. We'd be a lock to win 70 games....:lol

[tonight...you]

Of course he's not going to be remembered as a great player. The Spurs have to fill a roster. They're all flawed, near the end of the bench. I'd just been commenting that the Spurs have their reasons, I'm sure, for giving him a roster spot over some younger project. Nothing more or less than that.

Every now and then, one of those guys like Simmons amounts to more. Do you remember Anthony Parker? He didn't amount to shit his first few years in the league. He went off to play for Maccabi, and came back as a very solid guard. Not a star, but solid. Simmons got a late start, but I could see him becoming a guy you want on your bench still. Probably not, but no less likely than most of the guys who are getting waived right now.
I completely get where you're coming from. I remember A. Parker. I watched him closely. I've been watching Simmons closely also. Simmons is on the fast track to Nowheresville.

There is no comment, post, or argument that will change this fundamental fact. If I'm wrong, I will sing, on video, if I have to about it. I don't feel uncomfortable, either way.

And I know I'm not wrong... btw, so yay.

[sasaint]

I haven't been on NBA twitter this afternoon so I'm not up on the wavier wire.:lol

In any case, with Leprosy/Forbes being signed & Murray being drafted....there is probably no room for a 6'3" guard.

I could only see PATFO going after him if they want to ship out Patty & promote Leprosy to being Porker's primary backup. In that case, GPIII could be the 3rd PG like CoJo.

If it was up to me, I would package Patty/Simmons for a backup wing: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gr7b8nv

Hollinger's Analysis: +33 wins:wow

:toast I would like to have McLemore at that price. I would like to have him sooner rather than later, too. The Spurs' staff might be able to turn him into a bona fide star. The pity is that when the Spurs pried McCallum away from Sactown last season they might have been able to sweeten the deal and acquire McLemore instead. The Kings might go for this deal - heck, toss in a second rounder, if necessary. Unfortunately all of the noodling we do on Spurstalk is not going to have anything other than fantasy impact.

[TheDoctor]

I'd cut Simmons and sign Goodwin asap. tbh

:pop: - Hmmm...Character. NASA discovered 1,200 habitable planets the other day.

[tonight...you]

:pop: - Hmmm...Character. NASA discovered 1,200 habitable planets the other day.
Need another "lobotomy" for the night, big daddy... Gimme the horse shot. Got's things to do on the morrow... #yaknow?

[Kawhitstorm]

:toast I would like to have McLemore at that price. I would like to have him sooner rather than later, too. The Spurs' staff might be able to turn him into a bona fide star. The pity is that when the Spurs pried McCallum away from Sactown last season they might have been able to sweeten the deal and acquire McLemore instead.

Couldn't have traded Patty last season b/c there was no viable backup, that's the reason the team traded for Ray.:lol

Besides, the Kings had time to be patient w/ McLemore b/c he wasn't an expiring contract & Simmons wasn't a household name yet either.

[GSH]

What cracks me up is people talking about how Simmons doesn't belong in the NBA, and then all the talk about packaging him in a trade for a good player.

[sasaint]

Couldn't have traded Patty last season b/c there was no viable backup, that's the reason the team traded for Ray.:lol

Besides, the Kings had time to be patient w/ McLemore b/c he wasn't an expiring contract & Simmons wasn't a household name yet either.

You mean no viable backup to Tony if Patty were traded? Then the team might have had to make a second deal.

I'm not sure Simmons is a household name now, but after his splashy SL last summer he probably had no less value than he now has after a full season of floundering for everybody's scouts, tbh. :lol

[rastaspur]

What cracks me up is people talking about how Simmons doesn't belong in the NBA, and then all the talk about packaging him in a trade for a good player.

It makes no sense. It is kind of like al sharpton showing up at a klan rally to do a book signing event.

[TheDoctor]

What cracks me up is people talking about how Simmons doesn't belong in the NBA, and then all the talk about packaging him in a trade for a good player.

:lmao
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[sasaint]

Ray McCallum landed the 15th roster spot on the Pistons for a few hours before getting waived to make room for Beno Udrih.

[Kawhitstorm]

I'm not sure Simmons is a household name now, but after his splashy SL last summer he probably had no less value than he now has after a full season of floundering for everybody's scouts, tbh. :lol

I'm not sure the Kings have scouts, tbh. It seems like they sign players based on name recognition. They gave Marco a fat contract, traded for Rudy Gay & signed Rondo/Lawson. Oh yeah, let's bring Matt Barnes into a toxic environment to provide leadership.:lol

[sasaint]

I'm not sure the Kings have scouts, tbh. It seems like they sign players based on name recognition. They gave Marco a fat contract, traded for Rudy Gay & signed Rondo/Lawson.:lol

I am torn. Should I :lol at the joke or :rolleyes at the organization masquerading as an NBA franchise in Sacramento?

[Kawhitstorm]

What cracks me up is people talking about how Simmons doesn't belong in the NBA, and then all the talk about packaging him in a trade for a good player.

Kings gave Temple 8 mill, dude wasn't that much better than Simmons last season.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

I am torn. Should I :lol at the joke or :rolleyes at the organization masquerading as an NBA franchise in Sacramento?

They would have given up a lotto pick for Patty after the 2014 Finals, I'm not sure they care about their draft pick considering Jimmer/Stauskus were traded & McLemore is about to follow their path.:lol

[sasaint]

They would have given up a lotto pick for Patty after the 2014 Finals.:lol

Damn, another missed opportunity by PATFO, I'm sure. :lol

[TheDoctor]

Need another "lobotomy" for the night, big daddy... Gimme the horse shot. Got's things to do on the morrow... #yaknow?

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[024]

Goodwin is like Murray 3 years from now if he never develops but successfully gains weight and develops an attitude problem.

[BillMc]

What cracks me up is people talking about how Simmons doesn't belong in the NBA, and then all the talk about packaging him in a trade for a good player.

This.

It is similar to all the Danny detractors who want him gone but suddenly we can't beat Golden State without him.

[GSH]

Goodwin is like Murray 3 years from now if he never develops but successfully gains weight and develops an attitude problem.


Jeez there is some brutal sense of humor going on here tonight.

[SAGirl]

Kings gave Temple 8 mill, dude wasn't that much better than Simmons last season.:lol
Heck I am thinking Simmons can have a career as a bench energy guy with mostly transition scoring like Corey Brewer.

[SAGirl]

Ray McCallum landed the 15th roster spot on the Pistons for a few hours before getting waived to make room for Beno Udrih.
Tough. I feel for Ray Mac...3rd string guards are very vulnerable...

[GSH]

Ray McCallum landed the 15th roster spot on the Pistons for a few hours before getting waived to make room for Beno Udrih.


Oh, shit, I hadn't heard that.

Beno and the Heat ought to have their asses kicked from the league. Last year, Beno took a shitty little buyout from the Heat, to keep them out of the tax, and this year they gave him a payback contract, and immediately waived him. That's a bullshit manipulation, IMO.

[tonight...you]

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Done dizzle. Good night, my snheegrizznozzles...

[rastaspur]

Oh, shit, I hadn't heard that.

Beno and the Heat ought to have their asses kicked from the league. Last year, Beno took a shitty little buyout from the Heat, to keep them out of the tax, and this year they gave him a payback contract, and immediately waived him. That's a bullshit manipulation, IMO.

I agree from a league standpount. But from a heat/riley standpoint not a bad move.

Heat/rilwy have taken a big hit from a loyalty perspective this summer and this move slightly mitigates it, especially from a role player's perspective.

To get off topic. I wonder if the spurs signed ljc knowing that he most likely wont make the team but have an understanding that if cut he will agree to stay in the dleague system for two years.

If so, isnt that a way of circumventing the rules and adding a 16th man to the roster who was never going to play these next two years?

If he stays in austin for two years then in my mind that confirms it for me

[GSH]

If so, isnt that a way of circumventing the rules and adding a 16th man to the roster who was never going to play these next two years?

If he stays in austin for two years then in my mind that confirms it for me


It's different when the Spurs do it. Like when Brent Barry got "traded" to Seattle. They didn't know he was coming back - it just worked out that way. Really. If we weren't the good guys, they wouldn't let us write the history book.

[TheGreatYacht]

I'd waive fathead and Simmons for Hunter and Goodwin asap

[SAGirl]

In fairness though, Goodwin can't shoot. Would like to see some of these guys in Austin though.

Lots of first round picks being waived this year. Unusual to me. Ennis may of been overrated but he hasn't been properly developed. I'd like to see him in Philly.

I know what's been said about McGary, but I'd take a flyer on him and put him in Austin to see if he can make good. It'd be nice to have a solid prospect in the pipeline. You just never know if/when they'll turn the corner. But he's definitely someone you want to be first in line for considering our depth at that position. He messes up again and he can be dropped. No big deal.
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McGary's young and may yet rehabilitate his career, but probably needs to do some damage control and show to be substance free.. no way Pop goes for a young guy with substance abuse problems.
Houston backed his decision on Ennis and waived Prigioni.

[ace3g]

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R.J. Hunter is in serious discussions on a deal with the Chicago Bulls, league sources tell The Vertical. Could finalize in next day.

[raybies]

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McGary's young and may yet rehabilitate his career, but probably needs to do some damage control and show to be substance free.. no way Pop goes for a young guy with substance abuse problems.
Houston backed his decision on Ennis and waived Prigioni.

I'm not sure Europe or China is the best move for him but who knows. On one side you have no distractions, no bad influences around you and on there other are you running from your problems. Personally I'd like to see him earn his way back on the D League but the money is more substantial overseas. I hope he chooses what's best for him long-term and not a get rich quick scheme and then he can move to Colorado and retire. But it's up to him.

Still would love to have him if his head was in the right place. Looking forward to the D league draft though. I want Cousins.

[raybies]

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R.J. Hunter is in serious discussions on a deal with the Chicago Bulls, league sources tell The Vertical. Could finalize in next day.

Great fit for him there. He'll have a chance for minutes and with all the playmakers there, they need shooters.

[spursistan]

Any PGs with a pulse out there?

[raybies]

Any PGs with a pulse out there?

Isaiah Cousins imo but we are set right now. Who you want to get rid of? Lol

[ElNono]

Any PGs with a pulse out there?

Prigioni, who's 84 years old

[SAGirl]

Norris Cole went to China.. I posted a tweet about it. I think Pop's is happy with who he has. At some point maybe Lapro will see some time. He was playing very well, and he does space the floor...

[raybies]

Edy Tavares waived

[spursistan]

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[TimDunkem]

They all suck, tbh.

[UZER]

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I wonder if Caron Butler's phone is busy.

[Mr. Body]

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That's a lot of players who were decent only a few years ago.

[Ice009]

What's the difference between the Unsigned and FA category? Aren't they both the same thing? Aren't all of those guys free agents able to sign anywhere?

[ElNono]

What's the difference between the Unsigned and FA category? Aren't they both the same thing? Aren't all of those guys free agents able to sign anywhere?

I could be wrong, but I think for FA guys, some team has a cap hold on them.

[Ice009]

I could be wrong, but I think for FA guys, some team has a cap hold on them.

Thanks. That probably is correct. So if a team has a cap hold on them, can they still sign with another team?

[ElNono]

Thanks. That probably is correct. So if a team has a cap hold on them, can they still sign with another team?

I believe it might open the door for sign & trade scenarios, but honestly, I'm not sure.

[spursistan]

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[elemento]

Cole is probably going to Memphis

[apalisoc_9]

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Better than Laprivitolla. But Pop is loyal to Manu so most likely wont happen...but you wonder...I dont know the scene in china.
but getting released by a chinese ball club os shitty no?

[elemento]

Motiejunas about to sign an offer sheet from BK. HOU has 3 days to match.

Underrated player, but big health concerns.

[Ice009]

Maybe Norris Cole asked to be released? If he didn't, I'd like to know if it was due to poor play.

[spursistan]

Better than Laprivitolla. But Pop is loyal to Manu so most likely wont happen...but you wonder...I dont know the scene in china.
but getting released by a chinese ball club os shitty no?
He might have asked for it..Memphis-bound?

Seriously they re kidding themselves thinking Forbes/Lapro can even fill in or some minutes the playoffs..At least Cole could give you solid 7-8 minutes, and he isn't a TOSB (28yo)..They need to look for a legit 3rd stringer PG with Tony chronic knee issues and his expected April/May falloff..I would prefer Felton , hopefully the Clippers release him..or imagine D-Will getting a buyout from a deep-in-tanking Mavs and signing here :wow (he's one of Tony's buddies)..

[tbdog]

That would be a bit of a F-U to Mills though, by signing D-Will. But I prefer D-Will over Parker. Yeh yeh, I know, who isn't worse than Parker. But it just won't happen.

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs should cut Lapro/Andershit/Forbes and give a shot to someone killing it in the D-League.

Worth the risk when there can be gems like Whiteside, Danny Green, Kilpatrick, Frazier, JaMychal...

[spursistan]

This PATFO prayer for Parker/Manu or bust as primary playmakers for a 3rd consecutive postseason is bordering on sheer incompetence.:bang

Whether he's unready, or simply unsuited for it altogether, the limits of Kawhi in that lead creator role are already showing vs scrub lottery teams, and it would only get uglier facing playoff defenses. For now, his impact in other areas of the game has clearly diminished because of it..

[ace3g]

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Brooklyn signed RFA Donatas Motiejunas to four-year $37 million deal, according to source. Houston has till Monday to match.

[SAGirl]

good for Montiejunas!
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I hope he's healthy to live up to that contract for Brooklyn.

[From Downtown]

good for Montiejunas!
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I hope he's healthy to live up to that contract for Brooklyn.
Same
I really like him as a player and I hope he's able to leave those health problems behind him

[sasaint]

good for Montiejunas!
:tu
I hope he's healthy to live up to that contract for Brooklyn.

This is a preliminary move to Brooklyn's trading Brooks Lopez.

[Ice009]

This is a preliminary move to Brooklyn's trading Brooks Lopez.

How has Brook Lopez played this season? I haven't seen any Nets games at all.

[TheGreatYacht]

How has Brook Lopez played this season? I haven't seen any Nets games at all.
He's the offense

[gambit1990]

Motiejunas about to sign an offer sheet from BK. HOU has 3 days to match.

Underrated player, but big health concerns.

[sasaint]

How has Brook Lopez played this season? I haven't seen any Nets games at all.

You should google Brooklyn Nets statistics. There are plenty of sites where you can get a player's stats. (I think Hollinger's has him ranked as the 9th best center in the league with a PER of about 22.) He is a somewhat slow-footed, traditional center who is better offensively than defensively. Still, he puts up very good numbers while playing on one of the worst teams in the league. He has been rumored to be on the trading block off and on since last season.

[spurtech09]

Josh Smith? Why not.....

[Ice009]

Josh Smith? Why not.....

Why?

[TimDunkem]

Josh Smith would bring nothing to this team.

Tbh, the team needs another versatile guard that isn't Tony or Manu to compete for a title. Gasol going to the bench would be nice too...

[Ice009]

Josh Smith would bring nothing to this team.

Tbh, the team needs another versatile guard that isn't Tony or Manu to compete for a title. Gasol going to the bench would be nice too...

I'm not interested in Josh Smith, but out of curiosity - Can he actually play defense, or was he just a decent shot blocker while being an average overall defender?