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JMGpp
10-22-2016, 02:39 PM
According to the press in Argentina it is official that Nico and Byrn made the team and for that to happen Livio Jean Charles was cut.

Dancelot
10-22-2016, 02:43 PM
Please let this be accurate

jyra
10-22-2016, 03:02 PM
Here is another "source":

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There is no chance that any team claims LJC so he should land in Austin without any problems.

tholdren
10-22-2016, 03:05 PM
LJC, SB

Dex
10-22-2016, 03:08 PM
Good call. Never liked the LJC pick. Both Lapro and Forbes had exceptional training camps and deserve a spot, as well as fill needs. Lapro is a good backup PG who can shoot and run the system if Parker/Mills goes down and Murray doesn't pan out, and Forbes is a deadeye...that always comes in handy. I can see Brynn being Neal 2.0...he will have his limitations, but making buckets helps equalize that.

Would still rather have Anthony over Simmons, all things considered...but we still have a good rotation of bigs in Aldridge, Gasol, Lee, and Dedmon (even though his preseason was less than stellar to put it nicely). Pencil in Anderson and Bertans for some of those PF minutes, and I think we can manage.

tbear280
10-22-2016, 03:09 PM
Livio has looked terrible and not on the same level as the opposition of the spurs that we're trying to make those teams. Forbes seized the moment, props to him for that.

Brian Windhorst
10-22-2016, 03:33 PM
Honestly I'm not convinced that Simmons is significantly better than Garino right now, and Garino is much younger. But I guess at a certain point too much new blood might kill the cohesion.

Jean Charles is only 22 but he doesn't look like an NBA prospect, I can't really remember what it was they saw in him. Wasted pick.

Obstructed_View
10-22-2016, 03:39 PM
Honestly I'm not convinced that Simmons is significantly better than Garino right now, and Garino is much younger.

I'm convinced that Simmons isn't nearly as good as Garino right now, even on a team with an injured Danny Green and Manu as the only other shooting guard. Kawhi Leonard would be a really good shooting guard on this team with Anderson and DB as your small forwards.

Yeah, the anti-smallball lineups. :lol

From Downtown
10-22-2016, 03:42 PM
They were the two most deserving guys
I like the Laprovittola pick because Murray looks more like a prospect than anything else and needs time to develop
Considering Tony will rest quite a bit it's good to know there's a steary and competent player who can start in his place
Forbes can shoot, and you need shooters in today's NBA
I also think this probably means they trust Bertans to contribute from the start

r0drig0lac
10-22-2016, 04:06 PM
good

toki9
10-22-2016, 04:23 PM
Curious as to what the real story is with LJC...given that Parker has partial ownership of LJC's French team, there's probably a lot of understanding between the parties about what he's expected to do/needs to do...

T Park
10-22-2016, 04:28 PM
I'm convinced that Simmons isn't nearly as good as Garino right now, even on a team with an injured Danny Green and Manu as the only other shooting guard. Kawhi Leonard would be a really good shooting guard on this team with Anderson and DB as your small forwards.

Yeah, the anti-smallball lineups. :lol


Yeah Garino is by far and away a better bench option than Simmons right now. Really hope Garino isn't scooped up. Afraid he'll be another Udonis Haslem

T Park
10-22-2016, 04:29 PM
They were the two most deserving guys
I like the Laprovittola pick because Murray looks more like a prospect than anything else and needs time to develop
Considering Tony will rest quite a bit it's good to know there's a steary and competent player who can start in his place
Forbes can shoot, and you need shooters in today's NBA
I also think this probably means they trust Bertans to contribute from the start


Bertans should be one of the first players off the bench every time. Already can be a major contributor.

objective
10-22-2016, 04:49 PM
I wonder if they'll stretch LJC. It's not a lot that they would save for next year, but who knows?

I'd rather Garino over Lapprovittola. Nothing against Lapprovittola as a player but they already have three points plus Manu who would run point if he was paired with Forbes for instance.

And if things get so bad that they would have to turn to someone other than Parker or Mills, the season is basically lost anyway and Murray should get the burn

But I could see scenarios where they would want another wing who isn't undersized like Forbes. Any frontcourt injury that moves a wing like Kawhi or Kyle up to PF for instance could use additional fouls and minutes sponging.

Besides, a more experienced vet point probably means no Murray in garbage time before the d-league starts. Bummer.

ceperez
10-22-2016, 04:55 PM
I wonder if they'll stretch LJC. It's not a lot that they would save for next year, but who knows?

I'd rather Garino over Lapprovittola. Nothing against Lapprovittola as a player but they already have three points plus Manu who would run point if he was paired with Forbes for instance.

And if things get so bad that they would have to turn to someone other than Parker or Mills, the season is basically lost anyway and Murray should get the burn

But I could see scenarios where they would want another wing who isn't undersized like Forbes. Any frontcourt injury that moves a wing like Kawhi or Kyle up to PF for instance could use additional fouls and minutes sponging.

Besides, a more experienced vet point probably means no Murray in garbage time before the d-league starts. Bummer.

Hypothetical now that PATFO have made their decision.

Anyway, I disagree. Spurs have a lot of players that can't make their own offense and need to be setup. That's why Laprovittola is so important.

The only player in the team that I think could disappoint is Dedmon. The new guys like Bertans, Laprovitolla and Forbes clearly have that killer instinct in them. Spurs are getting players with a lot of mental toughness and that's something I like to see.

Russ
10-22-2016, 05:29 PM
As long as they keep Forbes and cut LJC the rest is fine . . .

TheGreatYacht
10-22-2016, 05:34 PM
Less minutes for Murray.

By the way, Laprovittola will turn 27 in January.... to those of you who aren't fans of Simmons' age.

I would've preferred Joel Anthony, who looked better, and considering the fact that we're going to have to bank on Dedmon panning out because he's our only backup Center.

Obstructed_View
10-22-2016, 05:46 PM
By the way, Laprovittola will turn 27 in January.... to those of you who aren't fans of Simmons' age.

The comparable lack of experience would probably be the reason for pointing out his age.

TheGreatYacht
10-22-2016, 05:51 PM
The comparable lack of experience would probably be the reason for pointing out his age.
Laprovittola has experience, but it's bad experience

TD 21
10-22-2016, 06:35 PM
I would've preferred Joel Anthony, who looked better, and considering the fact that we're going to have to bank on Dedmon panning out because he's our only backup Center.

Maybe, but even though Dedmon is the only other true center, it's not as if he's the only other option period. Aldridge can play it and Lee is one offensively, he just needs to be paired with a floor spacing rim protector.

Going with younger players, who might have been claimed and might be able to be a part of the future, over a retread like Anthony, who can probably be brought back at any time, makes sense.

Besides, they could have a role (Laprovitolla in Parker rest games and Forbes when they're laboring to score), even with a healthy roster, unlike Anthony.

Mr. Body
10-22-2016, 06:41 PM
I was going to be a smartass and post who they could have drafted instead of Livio Jean-Charles. But there are only maybe two players worth anything after him, Isaiah Canaan and Ray McCallum, and we've already cut one of them. Man, that draft sucked-ass.

spurs10
10-22-2016, 06:45 PM
Well if this pans out it's really great. Both of them have shown a lot of promise!

Obstructed_View
10-22-2016, 06:51 PM
Man, that draft sucked-ass.

Spurtacular
10-22-2016, 06:53 PM
Can they both be in? I had heard Spurs had 14 guaranteed contracts already.

Obstructed_View
10-22-2016, 06:55 PM
Can they both be in? I had heard Spurs had 14 guaranteed contracts already.

I think LJC was one of those.

Spurtacular
10-22-2016, 07:02 PM
I think LJC was one of those.

Ah.....

Kawhitstorm
10-22-2016, 07:03 PM
By the way, Laprovittola will turn 27 in January.... to those of you who aren't fans of Simmons' age.

37 yr old Prigioni locked up the same Choke-P3 that torched Porker in 2015.:wakeup


I would've preferred Joel Anthony, who looked better, and considering the fact that we're going to have to bank on Dedmon panning out because he's our only backup Center.

They can always dump Dedmon if he doesn't pan out ala JLC.

ElNono
10-22-2016, 07:32 PM
I wonder if they'll stretch LJC. It's not a lot that they would save for next year, but who knows?

I'd rather Garino over Lapprovittola. Nothing against Lapprovittola as a player but they already have three points plus Manu who would run point if he was paired with Forbes for instance.

And if things get so bad that they would have to turn to someone other than Parker or Mills, the season is basically lost anyway and Murray should get the burn

But I could see scenarios where they would want another wing who isn't undersized like Forbes. Any frontcourt injury that moves a wing like Kawhi or Kyle up to PF for instance could use additional fouls and minutes sponging.

Besides, a more experienced vet point probably means no Murray in garbage time before the d-league starts. Bummer.

I think the feeling Re: Garino is that Kawhi can and will play a lot of minutes, and if he gets hurt or something, we won't have a chance in hell anyways.

But, I'm sure they're going to keep an eye on him. I though he's shown he can play at this level with more development.

ElNono
10-22-2016, 07:33 PM
Knowing Pop, Lapro is staying just to troll TV play-by-play guys, tbh....

toki9
10-22-2016, 07:37 PM
I think LJC was one of those.

"Drafted 28th overall in 2013, Jean-Charles was in camp on a guaranteed contract. By waiving him, the Spurs will eat about $2.4 million of Jean-Charles’ rookie scale deal over the next two years."

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/10/22/forbes-laprovittola-make-spurs/

Kikoluna
10-22-2016, 08:09 PM
How the **** did Kyle make the team....AGAIN? ??!!! THE GUY IS NOT NBA MATERIAL. LIKE THIS IS A NIGHTMARE.

TheGreatYacht
10-22-2016, 08:12 PM
37 yr old Prigioni locked up the same Choke-P3 that torched Porker in 2015.:wakeup
No. CPChoke's injury locked him down. Plus, LaPussy is a below average defender


They can always dump Dedmon if he doesn't pan out ala JLC.
Yeah, let's roll with 4 point guards (5 if you include Manu) and go with 1 Center

itzsoweezee
10-22-2016, 08:22 PM
Don't know what any of you see in Garino. He looked really outmatched in the rockets game. Simmons, on the other hand, is a legitimate NBA player.

JuneJive
10-22-2016, 08:32 PM
Like Forbes as a sharpshooter. Can't have too much shooting.

look_at_g_shred
10-22-2016, 08:42 PM
For those of us who have been in and out all summer, what does Lapps bring to the team?

Kawhitstorm
10-22-2016, 08:45 PM
No. CPChoke's injury locked him down. Plus, LaPussy is a below average defender

Injuries sure locked him down when he was running circles around Porker in Gm 7 while playing on one leg.:lol

jhfenton
10-22-2016, 08:51 PM
For those of us who have been in and out all summer, what does Lapps bring to the team?

From the preseason and Olympics, I'd describe him as a shorter, B-grade version of Manu. I liked him.

Kawhitstorm
10-22-2016, 08:57 PM
For those of us who have been in and out all summer, what does Lapps bring to the team?

Leprosy is a bigger/slower version of Patty w/ better play-making skills.

Kawhitstorm
10-22-2016, 09:02 PM
From the preseason and Olympics, I'd describe him as a shorter, B-grade version of Manu. I liked him.

Maybe 39 yr old Manu, dude doesn't get to the rim & mainly jacks up 3s like Patty although he does have a flair to him when it comes to his passes.

Obstructed_View
10-22-2016, 09:11 PM
"Drafted 28th overall in 2013, Jean-Charles was in camp on a guaranteed contract. By waiving him, the Spurs will eat about $2.4 million of Jean-Charles’ rookie scale deal over the next two years."

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2016/10/22/forbes-laprovittola-make-spurs/

So...thank you for confirming?

Solid D
10-22-2016, 09:22 PM
Yep

DeRozan m8
10-22-2016, 09:30 PM
How the **** did Kyle make the team....AGAIN? ??!!! THE GUY IS NOT NBA MATERIAL. LIKE THIS IS A NIGHTMARE.

Yep

Solid D
10-22-2016, 09:55 PM
These were the right moves.

BillMc
10-22-2016, 11:31 PM
Honestly I'm not convinced that Simmons is significantly better than Garino right now, and Garino is much younger. But I guess at a certain point too much new blood might kill the cohesion.

Simmons has become buddies with LMA. Gotta keep the diva happy. Can't cut Simmons until the LaMarcus trade goes down. :lol

SAGirl
10-22-2016, 11:35 PM
Simmons has become buddies with LMA. Gotta keep the diva happy. Can't cut Simmons until the LaMarcus trade goes down. :lol

:stirpot:
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/brownsvilleherald.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/39/6398f8d0-cfba-11e5-b7fe-3b15ea6e4891/56bacffa9f607.image.jpg?resize=512%2C377

BillMc
10-22-2016, 11:38 PM
:stirpot:
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/brownsvilleherald.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/39/6398f8d0-cfba-11e5-b7fe-3b15ea6e4891/56bacffa9f607.image.jpg?resize=512%2C377

SAGirl with the TMZ moves, tbh. :toast

Mikeanaro
10-22-2016, 11:44 PM
So all that crap about LJC was in vain, the hype train traveled 5 years and now has wrecked.

TheDoctor
10-23-2016, 12:08 AM
Don't know what any of you see in Garino. He looked really outmatched in the rockets game. Simmons, on the other hand, is a legitimate NBA player.
GTFOH tbh

TheDoctor
10-23-2016, 12:10 AM
Curious as to what the real story is with LJC...given that Parker has partial ownership of LJC's French team, there's probably a lot of understanding between the parties about what he's expected to do/needs to do...
The real story is, "If he suxs, he suxs".

TheGreatYacht
10-23-2016, 12:36 AM
Don't know what any of you see in Garino. He looked really outmatched in the rockets game. Simmons, on the other hand, is a legitimate NBA player.
Made Bobby Brown look like prime Kobe

BG_Spurs_Fan
10-23-2016, 02:22 AM
Never expected them to make such a cutthroat move re Livio. Would have expected them to shop him for nothing around the trade deadline but not to waive him a few months after signing him. In any case, it's blatantly clear that Lapro and Forbes are bigger talents.

ceperez
10-23-2016, 03:54 AM
Never expected them to make such a cutthroat move re Livio. Would have expected them to shop him for nothing around the trade deadline but not to waive him a few months after signing him. In any case, it's blatantly clear that Lapro and Forbes are bigger talents.

I thought that both Laprovittola and Forbes should get signed, which meant that they had to cut someone with a guaranteed salary. That just happened to the lowest performing player in the team. Livio is in the same category as Murray, but it is obvious at this stage that Murray is so much more valuable. Livio is still young and could get it all together, unfortunately Spurs don't own his rights anymore.

ulosturedge
10-23-2016, 07:10 AM
Livio sucks. I was shocked at the lack of development he showed in SL. It was like the dude was put in cryostasis the last 3 years. I guess no one overseas thought he'd be worth a damn is that why he ended up on Tony Parker's team? Well that didn't help. He had the body and athleticism to be a hybrid SF/PF, but he has the skillset for neither. He can't shoot, he can't dribble, he has no post moves. He's like a poor mans Jeff Ayres and thats pretty fuckin sad. He sucks so much the Spurs ate 2.4mil in salary to give someone else the end of the bench spot, and the Spurs are frugal as hell when it comes to salaries.

picnroll
10-23-2016, 08:10 AM
When you look at who got picked after LJC it's not as if they blew the pick. Just before him was Gobert though. :bang

tmtcsc
10-23-2016, 08:42 AM
Never expected them to make such a cutthroat move re Livio. Would have expected them to shop him for nothing around the trade deadline but not to waive him a few months after signing him. In any case, it's blatantly clear that Lapro and Forbes are bigger talents.

The surprising move by the F.O. was ever taking a flyer on the guy to begin with. I don't see him ever playing at the NBA level. Was this some sort of Porker recommendation. The guy is awful.

BG_Spurs_Fan
10-23-2016, 09:22 AM
The surprising move by the F.O. was ever taking a flyer on the guy to begin with. I don't see him ever playing at the NBA level. Was this some sort of Porker recommendation. The guy is awful.

Not exactly. They had to sign or renounce him. Renouncing a 1st round pick would send a terrible message to agents, so they went the route of giving him a legit chance. Still, is there another first round pick signed to a rookie contract and then waived during camp? Royce White maybe? I can't think of anyone, at least recently.

Ice009
10-23-2016, 10:06 AM
Livio sucks. I was shocked at the lack of development he showed in SL. It was like the dude was put in cryostasis the last 3 years. I guess no one overseas thought he'd be worth a damn is that why he ended up on Tony Parker's team? Well that didn't help. He had the body and athleticism to be a hybrid SF/PF, but he has the skillset for neither. He can't shoot, he can't dribble, he has no post moves. He's like a poor mans Jeff Ayres and thats pretty fuckin sad. He sucks so much the Spurs ate 2.4mil in salary to give someone else the end of the bench spot, and the Spurs are frugal as hell when it comes to salaries.

In 2013 he played in the Nike Hoop Summit game and scored 27 points and 13 rebounds. His team won the game and he won MVP of the game while outplaying players such as Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randle. He was still very raw, but in the game he opened a lot of eyes and I guess teams thought he had real potential. I'm not sure what the fuck happened since then though.

K...
10-23-2016, 10:09 AM
The surprising move by the F.O. was ever taking a flyer on the guy to begin with. I don't see him ever playing at the NBA level. Was this some sort of Porker recommendation. The guy is awful.

why do you and many others not know about his injury? It's not 100% clear if he sucks b/c his knee never recovered or if he just sucks. But ignoring this shows your opinion of him is wrong. He was definitely a decent prospect before his injury. Shit happens in basketball.

Canyonero
10-23-2016, 10:37 AM
I think hell will freeze over before TheGreatYacht shows some love to an argie.

Das Texan
10-23-2016, 11:14 AM
In 2013 he played in the Nike Hoop Summit game and scored 27 points and 13 rebounds. His team won the game and he won MVP of the game while outplaying players such as Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randle. He was still very raw, but in the game he opened a lot of eyes and I guess teams thought he had real potential. I'm not sure what the fuck happened since then though.

he got hurt.

never really improved after getting hurt.

kaji157
10-23-2016, 11:19 AM
I think hell will freeze over before TheGreatYacht shows some love to an argie.

What do you expect from a 15 y/o belgian kid who´s fan of a player that is no more, and who´s only other love was another frenchie who has been waived in favour of Manu´s protegee.

As a Scout:
Manu 1/2 50%
Tony 0/1 0%

Ice009
10-23-2016, 11:20 AM
he got hurt.

never really improved after getting hurt.

I know he got hurt. I should have said that I knew he got hurt, but I honestly didn't expect it to affect him that much. Do you think that is the main reason. When exactly did he get hurt?

Play Boban
10-23-2016, 11:23 AM
Lappro should start over Porker. Do the right thing, Pop, and stop servicing the Frenchie's ego. It's bad enough that Porker's ridiculous contract cost us Boban. We are paying Porker like he's a top five PG, even though he wouldn't even sniff much playing time on any NBA team aside from the Spurs. Ridiculous.

spurs10
10-23-2016, 12:16 PM
Lappro should start over Porker. Do the right thing, Pop, and stop servicing the Frenchie's ego. It's bad enough that Porker's ridiculous contract cost us Boban. We are paying Porker like he's a top five PG, even though he wouldn't even sniff much playing time on any NBA team aside from the Spurs. Ridiculous. I think the question is whether Lapro gets PT equal to Murray. If Parker isn't sitting games out there is only so much time available.

Dex
10-23-2016, 01:02 PM
Lappro should start over Porker. Do the right thing, Pop, and stop servicing the Frenchie's ego. It's bad enough that Porker's ridiculous contract cost us Boban. We are paying Porker like he's a top five PG, even though he wouldn't even sniff much playing time on any NBA team aside from the Spurs. Ridiculous.

:lmao You are sniffing glue if you think Pop is gonna put Lapro ahead of Parker in the rotation. Tony may not be the player he once was, but he is still a huge part of the Spurs system, one of their leaders, and miles ahead of Lapro.

I wouldn't be surprised if he takes the third PG spot tho as they groom Murray.

tmtcsc
10-23-2016, 05:52 PM
why do you and many others not know about his injury? It's not 100% clear if he sucks b/c his knee never recovered or if he just sucks. But ignoring this shows your opinion of him is wrong. He was definitely a decent prospect before his injury. Shit happens in basketball.

You're right. I never heard anything about an injury. All I know is what I've seen and what the boxscore has said. He made a name for himself with a great game against future NBA prospects years ago and never lived up to his potential. He's a tweener and doesn't seem to do anything in particular very well. Looks like a SF trying to play PF to me.

K...
10-23-2016, 06:17 PM
You're right. I never heard anything about an injury. All I know is what I've seen and what the boxscore has said. He made a name for himself with a great game against future NBA prospects years ago and never lived up to his potential. He's a tweener and doesn't seem to do anything in particular very well. Looks like a SF trying to play PF to me.

well to be honest he was tweener when they drafted him.

ceperez
10-23-2016, 07:25 PM
I think the question is whether Lapro gets PT equal to Murray. If Parker isn't sitting games out there is only so much time available.

Murray will be playing mostly in Austin. Laprovitolla likely will be suited up in almost all games.

Obstructed_View
10-23-2016, 08:19 PM
he got hurt.

never really improved after getting hurt.

He had one good game. He's been living off it ever since. You gotta give him some credit, though. If you're a shitty basketball player and you're gonna have the game of your life...

Canyonero
10-23-2016, 09:04 PM
So what jersey is LaproviGOATla wearing?

GSH
10-23-2016, 09:10 PM
That was a shitty draft. The Spurs had just barely lost the Finals the year before, and had most of their roster coming back. The last thing they needed was some half-assed rookie taking up a roster spot. If there was ever a time that a stash player made sense, that was it. And it wasn't just his performance in the Hoops Summit game. He had gotten a LOT of buzz from the way he played in the practices in the week leading up to the game. There are only a couple of players picked after him who have gotten any meaningful minutes in the NBA:

One is Ray McCallum. He did alright for himself after the Spurs waived him, but Memphis didn't bring him back, even for a min contract. And he was the 15th player to squeeze onto the Pistons' roster this year.

The other is Ryan Kelly, who just got waived and will be playing for the Celtics' D-League affiliate. As bad as Deadmon has looked, Kelly is worse. He's tall, but he's a PF, and I don't think he's got the strength or the balls to play the C.

All things considered, LJC wasn't a bad pick. I think if he had been able to play in the Spurs' system in Austin, they would have pushed him to bulk up, and maybe taught him to play the game the right way. The injury didn't help, but I don't think it's the whole story. He just didn't improve much. But that's not the Spurs' fault.


Edit: Oh, yeah - the Spurs could have picked Isaiah Canaan. He got some decent minutes, and even put up some numbers. But only because he was on a shitty Sixers team. They let him go, and he squeaked onto the Bulls' roster, but the expectations for him are not very high. The Spurs sure as hell won't kick themselves for not drafting him. And all three of those other guys would have been an anchor on the roster in a year when the Spurs won the Championship.

T Park
10-24-2016, 07:01 AM
In 2013 he played in the Nike Hoop Summit game and scored 27 points and 13 rebounds. His team won the game and he won MVP of the game while outplaying players such as Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randle. He was still very raw, but in the game he opened a lot of eyes and I guess teams thought he had real potential. I'm not sure what the fuck happened since then though.


Blowing out his knee could've had something to do with it.

T Park
10-24-2016, 07:02 AM
he got hurt.

never really improved after getting hurt.


Replied to the above before seeing this.

Every foreign writer has said the knee injury really changed him. Before he was a fantastic prospect and was one to get excited about.

raybies
10-24-2016, 07:23 AM
Replied to the above before seeing this.

Every foreign writer has said the knee injury really changed him. Before he was a fantastic prospect and was one to get excited about.

Yeah he was playing for the French u20 team I believe, and he was dominating, then tore his acl. Some people lose the magic and never get it back. As Bagger Vance would say, he has to find his swing. Austin is the perfect place for that.

Dex
10-24-2016, 08:41 AM
Replied to the above before seeing this.

Every foreign writer has said the knee injury really changed him. Before he was a fantastic prospect and was one to get excited about.

Which makes Bertans even more of an enigma. Two blown ACLs and another knee surgery, and he has still be able to develop his game and looks like he is ready to keep up with the speed of the NBA.

I know that not every knee injury is created equal...but I feel like some players also don't put in the work to rehab and rebuild that others do.

kaji157
10-24-2016, 09:03 AM
Which makes Bertans even more of an enigma. Two blown ACLs and another knee surgery, and he has still be able to develop his game and looks like he is ready to keep up with the speed of the NBA.

I know that not every knee injury is created equal...but I feel like some players also don't put in the work to rehab and rebuild that others do.

On first sight it seems like Bertans has more than just raw athetism, which might have helped him to still be a basketball player.
Unlike Livio who seems to have nothing more.

GSH
10-24-2016, 09:25 AM
Which makes Bertans even more of an enigma. Two blown ACLs and another knee surgery, and he has still be able to develop his game and looks like he is ready to keep up with the speed of the NBA.

I know that not every knee injury is created equal...but I feel like some players also don't put in the work to rehab and rebuild that others do.


I wasn't there, and I don't have any evidence. But looking at his overall body development, it doesn't look like he's done a lot of strength training in the years since the Spurs drafted him. It's easy to believe he didn't rehab as hard as Bertans. He was so young, and I kind of wonder if he had someone pushing him the way he would have if he was actually in the Spurs' organization.

I don't know if they can still salvage him if he stays in Austin. But maybe getting the contract will give him the financial stability to stay and try.

Ice009
10-24-2016, 09:52 AM
Blowing out his knee could've had something to do with it.

I knew about the knee injury, but I didn't think it would have changed his trajectory that much. I guess it very well could have. I also don't know if it was a rehab thing. Maybe he didn't do everything he could have done in rehab to get close to where he was before the injury?

BillMc
10-24-2016, 10:15 AM
Which makes Bertans even more of an enigma. Two blown ACLs and another knee surgery, and he has still be able to develop his game and looks like he is ready to keep up with the speed of the NBA.

I know that not every knee injury is created equal...but I feel like some players also don't put in the work to rehab and rebuild that others do.


I wasn't there, and I don't have any evidence. But looking at his overall body development, it doesn't look like he's done a lot of strength training in the years since the Spurs drafted him. It's easy to believe he didn't rehab as hard as Bertans. He was so young, and I kind of wonder if he had someone pushing him the way he would have if he was actually in the Spurs' organization.

I don't know if they can still salvage him if he stays in Austin. But maybe getting the contract will give him the financial stability to stay and try.

Don't know a thing about Livio's rehab, but everything I've read in American and Latvian media is Bertans rehabbed incredibly hard both times. And it shows. Dude was hungry.

Chinook
10-24-2016, 10:38 AM
He had one good game. He's been living off it ever since. You gotta give him some credit, though. If you're a shitty basketball player and you're gonna have the game of your life...

He had more than one good game. He had a bunch of great games in that week leading up to the Hoops Summit, shutting down Embiid and Towns. And that summer with the French U-20 team, he was playing really well before he tore his knee up. Livo's decline is very much physical. He's still there mentally. When you have "one good game", you rarely do anything beyond what you usually physically do. You just show better IQ and skills.

Hope he's in Austin, but hell, I hope Richards is there too.

kaji157
10-25-2016, 10:13 AM
Basquetplus basketball news site has confirmed Garino will play in the D-League for Austin.

Here is the link: http://basquetplus.com/articulo/su-idea-es-la-d-league-garino-se-encamina-los-austin-spurs

In an interview done yesterday, he said a couple of things regarding the Spurs and his idea for the future, here is a translation of what he said:


"It was what i expected (Spurs keeping Forbes and Lapro and waiving him), my intuition was that Nico was getting the nod so i prepare for that situation. I was told Friday, before the game, i had a talk with Pop and he told me that they were going to waive me, but wanted me to stay within the organisation with San Antonio affiliate Austin from the D-League. To say the truth they treated me very well, because i was given a choice, because my contract said i HAD to stay (In Austin, if cut) but the Spurs were generous enough to let me know that they would release me if i had a better offer"

"If there were any offer i would evaluate them, but Europe not sure if it comes from Europe, because i am very hardheaded guy and i want to stay here. I am decided, because i know the right way is to go to Austin. If an NBA team reaches i would think about it, but i will always take into account my evolution as a player, without worrying about the financial part"


"My individual growth in Austin will be great because the Spurs will help me a lot, they´ll design a work plan for me, so i can improve those aspects of the game that have been evident in the preseason (that i have to improve). It will be a key experience, and will help me to play extended minutes"

"Staying here also has some advantages... (Then he goes about the chance of being called up to an NBA team)"
"I am looking forward to it, compromised. Very anxious to start this new stage in my career, it will be different. I believe it will help me to keep improving, and that´s my goal"

Canyonero
10-25-2016, 10:38 AM
Good for Garino to stay at Austin Powers.