Early voting in Texas started today.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just a reminder.

[FromWayDowntown]

I intend to vote every day this week.

[Xevious]

I intend to vote every day this week.
Same here... using the names of dead Mexican illegal immigrants.

[Spurminator]

Same here... using the names of dead Mexican illegal immigrants.

I'm going to use dead illegal Canadian immigrants, they'll never see that coming.

[FromWayDowntown]

Just to show my professionalism, I'm going to vote each time as ducks.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

There's a cemetery by my university and in front there's a big ol' "Clinton Kaine" sign... so funny because it's true.

[baseline bum]

This thread is going to end up in one of O'Keefe's documentaries.

[Splits]

I'll be studying obits for the next 14 days. Even took off work.

[ducks]

I intend to vote every day this week.

It is amazing when I go to Walmart to get money back from return I must show id but I do not when I vote

[Quetzal-X]

Tough Shit

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It is amazing when I go to Walmart to get money back from return I must show id but I do not when I vote

Someone is ignorant of what an enumerated right is.

[DMC]

Someone is ignorant of what an enumerated right is.or a frigate tbqh

[Spurminator]

It is amazing when I go to Walmart to get money back from return I must show id but I do not when I vote

Do you have to register ahead of time to make a return at Walmart?

[boutons_deux]

red/slave states are really what's "rigged", because cheating is the only way Repugs can win.

[pgardn]

It is amazing when I go to Walmart to get money back from return I must show id but I do not when I vote

So you can get your money back if it turns out your candidate sucks?

[Warlord23]

I intend to vote every day this week.


Same here... using the names of dead Mexican illegal immigrants.


I'm going to use dead illegal Canadian immigrants, they'll never see that coming.


I'll be studying obits for the next 14 days. Even took off work.

So are you guys buying fake moustaches, wigs, eyebrows etc?

[Spurminator]

So are you guys buying fake moustaches, wigs, eyebrows etc?

Who needs those? Because I don't even have to show a photo ID, I can basically do anything I want.

[z0sa]

Ill be voting later today

[Axl Rose]

Mock it all you want but hillarys campaign people are on video conspiring to commit voter fraud. Obama himself used to feel that there was voter fraud but suddenly he doesn't anymore.

[Axl Rose]

I guess I'd be gloating and happy too if they were cheating for my guy though. Integrity is old fashioned. I wonder how the totalian progressive state is going to look and how short it's reign will last.

[boutons_deux]

"video conspiring to commit voter fraud"

in-person voter fraud? that no Repug researchers, that no US Attorneys can find? after YEARS of searching? link?

[Axl Rose]

Humoring your shit would be such a fruitless endeavor. We are living in a post-truth world

[boutons_deux]

Humoring your shit would be such a fruitless endeavor. We are living in a post-truth world

you are, not me. You Rightwingnut People, are so fucked up it's hilarious. Supporting Trash? Believing his LIES? :lol

[ElNono]

Mock it all you want but hillarys campaign people are on video conspiring to commit voter fraud. Obama himself used to feel that there was voter fraud but suddenly he doesn't anymore.

then there's Trump on video endorsing Shillary, tbh... let's be real, we're all losers in this election

[DarrinS]

then there's Trump on video endorsing Shillary, tbh... let's be real, we're all losers in this election

truth nuke

[boutons_deux]

then there's Trump on video endorsing Shillary, tbh... let's be real, we're all losers in this election

citizens, and US democracy, have been and will continue to be losers. USA is a corrupt corporatocracy, top to bottom.

BigCorp/1%/VRWC will continue to be the corrupting big winners, no matter who gets elected.

Capitalists will keep beating down, oppressing, impoverishing labor as far as imaginable. Which is the case worldwide, as been the case forever.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[Splits]

then there's Trump on video endorsing Shillary, tbh... let's be real, we're all losers in this election

Maybe, but the biggest PUSSIES are the "I'm not going to vote" crowd. Do you know how many people fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die for that right? And these babies play the :cry I didn't like the candidates :cry card. It's chickenshit.


You forfeit your right to criticize for the next four years, no matter who wins, if you don't vote.

[boutons_deux]

"people fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die for that right"

... that's just another myth Americans fool themselves with.

It's MIC propaganda to sucker people into joining the military to die for BigCorp.

The US military hasn't fought for anything but BigCorp since 1945.

[Splits]

"people fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die for that right"... that's just another myth Americans fool themselves with. It's MIC propaganda to sucker people into joining the military to die for BigCorp. The US military hasn't fought for anything but BigCorp since 1945.I was talking about civil rights movements all over the globe, past and present, not fucking wars :lol

[clambake]

Maybe, but the biggest PUSSIES are the "I'm not going to vote" crowd. Do you know how many people fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die for that right? And these babies play the :cry I didn't like the candidates :cry card. It's chickenshit.


You forfeit your right to criticize for the next four years, no matter who wins, if you don't vote.

i don't forfeit anything. when you vote, write-in "i'm a hypocrite". it will serve you better.

[boutons_deux]

I was talking about civil rights movements all over the globe, past and present, not fucking wars :lol

Ask the blacks and mexicans and women about USA's "civil rights", after 1000s of them "fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die" trying to obtain the same rights as Euro-American white men.

[Axl Rose]

then there's Trump on video endorsing Shillary, tbh... let's be real, we're all losers in this election
You're comparing a crime to something that's not a crime. This is what I mean about the truth not mattering anymore. It's my guy vs yours and no one cares who's guilty of what.

[Splits]

Ask the blacks and mexicans and women about USA's "civil rights", after 1000s of them "fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die" trying to obtain the same rights as Euro-American white men.






Mexicans like EN undervote. If they didn't places like SA would be purple not red

[clambake]

You're comparing a crime to something that's not a crime. This is what I mean about the truth not mattering anymore. It's my guy vs yours and no one cares who's guilty of what.

you see, he doesn't have a guy. so accusation and/or guilt isn't even considered.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mock it all you want but hillarys campaign people are on video conspiring to commit voter fraud. Obama himself used to feel that there was voter fraud but suddenly he doesn't anymore.

Have any videos not from James O'Keefe?

[spurraider21]

Maybe, but the biggest PUSSIES are the "I'm not going to vote" crowd. Do you know how many people fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die for that right? And these babies play the :cry I didn't like the candidates :cry card. It's chickenshit.


You forfeit your right to criticize for the next four years, no matter who wins, if you don't vote.


"people fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die for that right"

... that's just another myth Americans fool themselves with.

It's MIC propaganda to sucker people into joining the military to die for BigCorp.

The US military hasn't fought for anything but BigCorp since 1945.


Splits (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=24583) = brainwashed, gullible repug

[Chucho]

Splits (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=24583) = brainwashed, gullible repug

LOL, Spurraider has no independent thinking ability.


And a Liberal making Big Corp comments with no hint of irony they are the biggest partners of Big Corp. Apple and Nike are major, major Liberal supporters, not to mention slave masters. But who cares, right? It's ok to be hypocritical so long as you have something cool and trendy! Typical Boutons Douche.

[Chucho]

Ask the blacks and mexicans and women about USA's "civil rights", after 1000s of them "fought, fight, bled, bleed, die, will die" trying to obtain the same rights as Euro-American white men.

LOL, Identity Politics is one of the lolzy things you practice, but the "remember that time that none of us were alive, but let's try and pretend today's social discontent is due from what happened when we weren't even alive" is the best.

[boutons_deux]

LOL, Identity Politics is one of the lolzy things you practice, but the "remember that time that none of us were alive, but let's try and pretend today's social discontent is due from what happened when we weren't even alive" is the best.




Identity Politics is fundamental to the Repugs' con job, where the identity is white Euro-American males, esp the working class and/or rural males.

Today's social discontent, esp for blacks and mexicans, goes back decades, centuries.

the LOLzy bullshit you righwingnuts believe is that, eg, BLM expresses only recent (white) police brutalizing, slaughtering blacks, when fact police, to protect the while identity politics males, have always brutalizing, slaughtered blacks.

[Axl Rose]

Have any videos not from James O'Keefe?
Why attack the source instead of the content? It's a fucking video, not okeefes word. Pure intellectual dishonesty on your part

[TheSanityAnnex]

Have any videos not from James O'Keefe?

Were Foval and Creamer terminated because of doctored videos?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why attack the source instead of the content? It's a fucking video, not okeefes word. Pure intellectual dishonesty on your part

Because the source has edited videos in a deceitful manner in the past and these are similarly chopped up. And its more like you are blithely ignorant.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Because the source has edited videos in a deceitful manner in the past and these are similarly chopped up. And its more like you are blithely ignorant.
Were Foval and Creamer terminated because of doctored videos?

[TheGreatYacht]

Liberals may have Texas, but we have MINNESOTA

[ElNono]

i don't forfeit anything. when you vote, write-in "i'm a hypocrite". it will serve you better.

this. I hated them both before it was cool. I don't forfeit shit.

[ElNono]

You're comparing a crime to something that's not a crime. This is what I mean about the truth not mattering anymore. It's my guy vs yours and no one cares who's guilty of what.

But Trump endorsed that criminal. That's true too. Plus, some people will tell you supporting Shillary is criminal, tbh...

[DarrinS]

Liberals may have Texas, but we have MINNESOTA

Congrats. :lol

[Axl Rose]

Because the source has edited videos in a deceitful manner in the past and these are similarly chopped up. And its more like you are blithely ignorant. So you're saying that there's an acceptable context to discuss plans to break federal election laws?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you're saying that there's an acceptable context to discuss plans to break federal election laws?

I'm saying that without seeing the context of the conversation we cannot be certain what is what.

We are talking about a guy who went into PP wearing a regular suit and asked the receptionist questions about prostitution. The receptionist played along and called the police immediately to report O'Keefe. He then went back and edited himself in as wearing a pimp outfit along with a women in hooker garb making it seem that he was wearing that and asking the questions while editing out any contrary messages.

These videos are obviously edited heavily. The bottomline is that he will not release the source material and we have no idea of the context of the conversation.

[Axl Rose]

Lol

[baseline bum]

LOL O'Keefe is a piece of shit

[Axl Rose]

I didn't notice anyone in photoshopped pimp suits, also why was the guy fired?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't notice anyone in photoshopped pimp suits, also why was the guy fired?

http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

Here is an article detailing it.

You tell me why he was fired. Begging the question is not an argument.

[Axl Rose]

I don't do snopes it's discredited propaganda. The guy was fired over the video

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't do snopes it's discredited propaganda. The guy was fired over the video

So you don't do snopes but you do do O'Keefe. :rolleyes

[Spurminator]

Oh look, actual voter fraud.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/10/25/amid-early-voting-rush-texas-sees-voter-id-hiccups/

Amid early voting rush, Texas sees voter ID hiccups

Amid Texans’ mad dash to polling places this week, the front end of 12 days of voting before Election Day, civil rights groups and some voters are questioning how some county election officials are portraying the state’s voter identification requirements, which a federal judge softened in August.

Among the complaints in pockets of Texas: years-old posters inaccurately describing the rules — more than a dozen instances in Bexar County — and poll workers who were reluctant to tell voters that some could cast ballots without photo identification.

Though it’s not clear that anyone walked away from the polls because of misinformation or partial information, civil rights advocates called the sporadic reports troubling.

“Not everybody is an aggressive voter. Some people are shy and laid back, and if you’re told you have to have an ID, it might cause them to get out of line and go home,” said Jose Garza, a lawyer working for groups challenging the state’s strict 2011 voter ID law.

In July, a federal appeals court ruled (https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/20/appeals-court-rules-texas-voter-id/) that the law discriminated against minority groups, who were less likely to possess one of seven forms of acceptable photo identification.

In August, a federal district judge drew up a temporary fix for the election, which splits Texans into two groups. Those who possess qualifying photo ID must bring it to the polls. Those who cannot “reasonably obtain” one must present a document showing their name and address, such as a utility bill, bank statement, paycheck or voter registration card. They must also sign a statement noting the “reasonable impediment” that prevented them from getting a photo ID.

And in another twist in September, the judge ordered (https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/20/judge-orders-texas-re-write-voter-id-materials/) Texas to rewrite certain voter education materials, siding with those who accused it of misleading voters on the softened requirements.

The fast-moving litigation triggered worries about voter confusion, which a survey this month (http://www.uh.edu/class/hobby/texas2016/)by the University of Houston Hobby School of Public Affairs illustrated. Of 1,000 registered Texas voters polled, 44 percent said they believed the state required a government-issued photo ID to vote, while 26 percent said it wasn't required. Most of the rest said they didn’t know.

Now, after two days of early voting, some complain that local elections officials are only further muddying Texans’ understanding.

In Bexar County, for instance, lawyers for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund said they spotted outdated posters — those describing the strict 2011 ID rules without the new caveats — hanging in at least 14 of the county’s 43 polling places at various points during early voting.

“This is a situation where the Secretary of State produced [updated] materials, and you can find them online,” said Nina Perales, the group’s vice president of litigation. “The idea that polling place supply boxes were being filled with the wrong posters is so incredibly frustrating for people who have been working on this issue for years.”

Donna Parker, a spokesman for Bexar County Clerk Jacque Callanen, said Tuesday afternoon that the old posters had since been replaced with accurate ones.

But Perales disputed that the problem was fixed, saying that her group spotted eight polling places on Tuesday that still had misleading info — outdated posters either hanging alone or adjacent to the updated signage.

Alicia Pierce, a spokeswoman for Texas Secretary of State Carlos Cascos, noted that litigation forced the state to redesign its official posters "very recently" and said her office this week reminded clerks statewide to make sure polling places displayed the correct one.

In Bexar County and elsewhere — including Harris and Travis Counties — several voters told The Texas Tribune that poll workers would not mention that Texans who lacked photo ID could still vote, or did so only when challenged.

Scott Rothenberg, a Houston attorney, said he repeatedly heard a worker at his bustling polling station Monday tell those waiting in line to get their photo IDs ready, without mentioning additional opportunities to vote.
Rothenberg said he challenged the poll worker’s omission, sharing concerns that it might scare off some qualified voters. She refused to alter her routine until an on-site election judge stepped in, he said.



“You always want to believe that these are merely errors that could be fixed with better training, or errors based upon inconsistent information,” Rothenberg said. “You always hope that it is not is an effort to disenfranchise certain voters.”

He shared the experience on Facebook in a post that has generated more than 140 comments, including several from other Texans who heard similar messages at the polls. Among them: Texas Ethics Commissioner Mary K. "Katie" Kennedy, who also voted in Houston.

Hector DeLeon, a spokesman for Harris County Clerk Stan Stanart, said he was not aware of such complaints but suggested those workers — dealing with record-high turnouts (https://www.texastribune.org/2016/10/25/early-voting-breaking-records-texas-10-biggest-cou/) — were simply trying to speed up lines by ensuring those with photo ID would not fumble with it once they reached the front.

“Because of the high volume of voters, they are probably unwittingly not being completely accurate,” he said in an interview. “But it’s not malicious intent.”

Perales said her group received similar reports around San Antonio.

“If you’re going to say something that’s only half true, and people are going to step out of line and go home, that’s voter suppression,” she said.

Asked about those Bexar County reports, Parker, the clerk’s spokeswoman, said in an email: "The line walkers with the portable electronic tablets are there to expedite the voting process by gathering voter information before the voters get to the table."

Pierce said the secretary of state's office wants to know about any abnormalities voters spot at the polls.

“We encourage people be the eyes and ears," she said. "If you see something, say something."

[DarrinS]

Not everybody is an aggressive voter. Some people are shy and laid back, and if you’re told you have to have an ID, it might cause them to get out of line and go home,” said Jose Garza, a lawyer working for groups challenging the state’s strict 2011 voter ID law.


:cry

Lol, "aggressive voter"

[Winehole23]

DarrinS thinks it's no big deal to discourage valid voters at the polls by misrepresenting the law. Apparently he also thinks it's ok for election officials to ignore court orders they disagree with.

Rule of law and fundamental rights be damned, the wrong people are trying to vote.

[angrydude]

Everyone, even dumbasses who are arrested for traffic tickets and don't have valid driver's licenses, have some form of picture ID. They couldn't declare bankruptcy without it.

[Winehole23]

This is cut and dried: you don't need an ID to vote in Texas. Telling people otherwise is contempt for the law and the right to vote.

[Winehole23]

Everyone, even dumbasses who are arrested for traffic tickets and don't have valid driver's licenses, have some form of picture ID. They couldn't declare bankruptcy without it.Driving is a privilege. Voting is a fundamental right.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Driving is a privilege. The right to bear arms is a fundamental right.

[Winehole23]

Sure. As an individualized right it's of much more recent vintage and far less fundamental to a legitimate, functioning democracy than the right to vote, but that's the current disposition of the law.

Did you have a point related to the topic, or are you just riding your usual hobby horse?

[Axl Rose]

I heard cops are at the polls arresting people with warrants and illegals

[Winehole23]

Felons and "illegals" voting does happen, but it's pretty rare. The problem has been studied. Like voter impersonation and dead people voting, the incidence is vanishingly small.

[Winehole23]

Absentee voting is where the real shenanigans happen. Carping about illegals, the graveyard, felons and voter impersonation is more or less ignorant. If you think any of these things is a significant threat to the integrity of elections, you've been misinformed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sure. As an individualized right it's of much more recent vintage and far less fundamental to a legitimate, functioning democracy than the right to vote, but that's the current disposition of the law.

Did you have a point related to the topic, or are you just riding your usual hobby horse?
I thought we were talking about the suppression of fundamental rights by requiring ID to exercise

[TheSanityAnnex]

Absentee voting is where the real shenanigans happen. Carping about illegals, the graveyard, felons and voter impersonation is more or less ignorant. If you think any of these things is a significant threat to the integrity of elections, you've been misinformed.

Significant threat to integrity. RI rolls off by 189,000

http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20161025/voter-rolls-off-by-189000-in-ri-journal-analysis-finds

[Winehole23]

I thought we were talking about the suppression of fundamental rights by requiring ID to exerciseYou must have a previous discussion in mind. ID isn't required to vote in Texas.

[Winehole23]

The state of RI being slow to update voter rolls us a threat to elections how?

[pgardn]

When Texas did some re doing of voter lists they got my voter ID wrong on the list. So they tell me.

I was not allowed to vote until I threw an "aggressive voter fit" The old lady denying called someone with some sort of authority. I had my drivers liscence and my actual voter registration card. I refused to leave. She made another call and then there was some sort of understanding. I finally got to vote. Those old people are clearly not letting furniture, pets and potted plants vote.

[Winehole23]

When Texas did some re doing of voter lists they got my voter ID wrong on the list. So they tell me..There might be a downside to being too punctilious about updating voter rolls: human error and scrubbing valid voters. Given the rarity of voter impersonation and dead people casting ballots, it might actually be better to be too lax rather than too strict.

[Winehole23]

The state of RI being slow to update voter rolls us a threat to elections how?no answer to this. another TSA drive by.

[Winehole23]

https://www.amazon.com/Fraudulent-Fraud-Squad-Understanding-Election-ebook/dp/B00795X5XI
http://thevotingwars.com/
http://electionlawblog.org/

[Th'Pusher]

no answer to this. another TSA drive by.

No doubt TSA is one of the larger pussies in the political forum, but at least he has history. These fucking election year tourists are the worst.

[pgardn]

There might be a downside to being too punctilious about updating voter rolls: human error and scrubbing valid voters. Given the rarity of voter impersonation and dead people casting ballots, it might actually be better to be too lax rather than too strict.

This would be my experience and conclusion.

And by God if it happens again I will chain myself to the stainless steel in the elementary school cafeteria.

[Winehole23]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/ConstantinoAriasUglyAmerican.jpg