Mills really might be gone this season?

[SAGirl]

“It's a factor that I can't ignore. I've obviously wanted to be a starting point guard in the NBA for a long time as a goal. But you know, every situation is different, and I've learned stuff along the way. I think I'm a better point guard now than I was when I first came to San Antonio. That credit goes to the environment here and how I've been able to develop my game. That's something that I'm going to have to consider. It's not the be-all and end-all of my decision, but we'll see when it comes. This is obviously a big year for our team and trying to be able to concentrate and stay focused team-wise on trying to get to that next level of a championship. But if I can concentrate and focus on this team and what I can do to help this team, I think everything else will take care of itself.”

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I have seen speculation on this one every which way with many already letting it be known that it doesn't make sense to pay a lot for Mills this upcoming off-season with Murray in the team in a very cheap room contract, and guards like Forbes very cheap and maybe Laprovittola as well.

I have no take on this one bc I have felt Pop wanted retain Patty so long as the team could afford him, but Manu might retire and Spurs may want to go in a different direction. It's also possible Patty gets not only better financial offers elsewhere, but a role that is more interesting. He has to cash in too. He hasn't had a big payday.

This statement by Patty left things open for him to leave after this season and many GMs might be perking up their ears.

[SAGirl]

I can see him fit in Philly with their passer forwards and Brett Brown.

[phxspurfan]

He should cash in. He already won here and it's his time to try something new IMO

[SAGirl]

Agreed I think Manu retires and he leaves this season. In perspective Forbes makes a lot of sense.

[apalisoc_9]

Patty should cash in tbh...Most likely get a 40/4 deal somewhere...

With Manu most likely retiring, PATFO has their sights on a legit starter in FA..possibly even a star.

[Robz4000]

Yeah, he's most likely gone.

[apalisoc_9]

Seriously though, he probably feels like he should have started this year...dont blame him.

[Hoops Czar]

Seriously though, he probably feels like he should have started this year...dont blame him.

For Danny Green? :lol He's not a pg.

[FireMicoHalili]

possible http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jf2cl9d

[TheGreatYacht]

If Brett Brown doesn't get fired before next season, they'll make him their starting PG. Manu will retire. Murray and Forbes will replace them

[Chinook]

Honestly, it's all about what Pau does and what the team can do in free agency. Right now, you "know" that Kawhi, LMA and Danny will be in the 2016 rotation. Hopefully Anderson shows he should be too, and Parker is playing at least as well a top backup.

This is what the team is looking at cap wise going into 2017-2018:



2017-2018 Cap Space
Scenario A
Scenario B


LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$21,461,010
$21,461,010


Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$18,868,625
$18,868,625


Pau Gasol (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$16,197,500



Tony Parker (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$15,453,126
$15,453,126


Danny Green (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$10,000,000
$10,000,000


Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$3,028,410



Tim Duncan (stretched)
$1,881,250
$1,881,250


David Lee (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$2,408,951



Kyle Anderson (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$2,151,704
$2,151,704


Livio Jean-Charles (waived)
$414,080
$414,080


Dejounte Murray (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$1,357,874
$1,357,874


Bryn Forbes (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$1,357,874
$1,357,874


Davis Bertans (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$1,357,874
$1,357,874


Roster Charges (Estimated)
$862,000
$3,448,000







Estimated Total
$96,800,276
$77,751,416




Scenario A is where everyone opts in and no non-guaranteed deal is waived, and B is where everyone opts out and Forbes is waived. One thing to note is that I accounted for the rise in the min that is reported to be in the new CBA, and that takes a good deal of projected cap space away. (I also think Dedmon might opt if he plays poorly enough, but let's hope not.)

I think the Spurs find themselves closer to A than B, probably in the $92-Million range. If cap projections bear out, that leaves $10 Million in room. If the min deals are not raised, then it could be an extra million. It's not obvious looking at this that the Spurs may well just bring back the same team with the MLE being used on one bench big and Milutinov being brought in to be the other one (or more precisely to compete with Bertans and a min guy for the spot). Bringing Patty back is just a smart use of resources then.

Well the smartest use might be to S&T Patty for a big like Noel and use the MLE on a guard. The good news is that the MLE is also projected to increase to like $8 Million, so that's good. That should give it the buying power to snag someone good.

To make a long post longer, here's a quick mock off-season for next summer:

In the draft next summer, the Spurs pick Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, since that just seems like something they'd do. In July are in Scenario A except Dedmon and Lee opt out. They decide to forego cap space and keep everyone else in addition to having Milutinov come over. They throw their 2018 first-rounder and Mills ($39M/3) in order to secure Noel in a S&T ($80M/4). They then use the MLE on Teodosic ($25M/3 with a player option in the final year). When camp breaks, Garino and Lalanne are the final to guys on the team.

This is the depth chart in that scenario:

PG: Parker, Teodosic, Murray
SG: Green, Forbes, Mykhailiuk
SF: Leonard, Anderson, Garino
PF: Aldridge, Bertans, Lalanne
C: Gasol, Noel, Milutinov

Here's how the salary breaks down:



Player Name
Salary


LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$21,461,010


Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$18,868,625


Nerlens Noel
$18,600,000


Pau Gasol (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$16,197,500


Tony Parker (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$15,453,126


Danny Green (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$10,000,000


Milos Teodosic
$8,000,000


Tim Duncan (stretched)
$1,881,250


Kyle Anderson (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$2,151,704


Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
$1,845,540


Livio Jean-Charles (waived)
$414,080


Dejounte Murray
$1,357,874


Bryn Forbes
$1,357,874


Davis Bertans
$1,357,874


Patricio Garino
$862,000


Cady Lalanne
$862,000






Estimated Total
$120,670,456


Estimated Tax Threshold
$122,000,000


Room Under Tax
$1,329,545




That would actually be pretty goddamned ideal.

[toki9]

J Okafor for Mills would work...

[NameLess Scrub]

Patty is hardly a PG and would hardly be this successful in the NBA without the Spurs system, imo.
Point is, Spurs are unlikely to give him the starting PG position imo. If he wants to be a starter and get paid, it would be a given for me he would go elsewhere.

With that said, I still miss death sentence Patty.

[bigfan]

Its a business and I can never blame a player for taking the best payday. Hope he stays but if not I'm ok with it.

[Gametight]

Patty is hardly a PG and would hardly be this successful in the NBA without the Spurs system, imo.

I don't know about that I think maybe the Spurs are holding him back a little. Wasn't he the leading scorer in the last 2 Olympics ? Either way I'm sure there are teams out there that will pay him, I would love to see him stay but if he wants to get paid I can't complain.

[sasaint]

I can see him fit in Philly with their passer forwards and Brett Brown.

This.

[sasaint]

Agreed I think Manu retires and he leaves this season. In perspective Forbes makes a lot of sense.

This.

[sasaint]

If Brett Brown doesn't get fired before next season, they'll make him their starting PG. Manu will retire. Murray and Forbes will replace them

And he will be a good fit for them, too.

[sasaint]

Seriously though, he probably feels like he should have started this year...dont blame him.

This for sure.

[sasaint]

Honestly, it's all about what Pau does and what the team can do in free agency. Right now, you "know" that Kawhi, LMA and Danny will be in the 2016 rotation. Hopefully Anderson shows he should be too, and Parker is playing at least as well a top backup.

This is what the team is looking at cap wise going into 2017-2018:



2017-2018 Cap Space
Scenario A
Scenario B


LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$21,461,010
$21,461,010


Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$18,868,625
$18,868,625


Pau Gasol (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$16,197,500



Tony Parker (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$15,453,126
$15,453,126


Danny Green (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$10,000,000
$10,000,000


Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$3,028,410



Tim Duncan (stretched)
$1,881,250
$1,881,250


David Lee (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$2,408,951



Kyle Anderson (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$2,151,704
$2,151,704


Livio Jean-Charles (waived)
$414,080
$414,080


Dejounte Murray (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$1,357,874
$1,357,874


Bryn Forbes (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$1,357,874
$1,357,874


Davis Bertans (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$1,357,874
$1,357,874


Roster Charges (Estimated)
$862,000
$3,448,000







Estimated Total
$96,800,276
$77,751,416




Scenario A is where everyone opts in and no non-guaranteed deal is waived, and B is where everyone opts out and Forbes is waived. One thing to note is that I accounted for the rise in the min that is reported to be in the new CBA, and that takes a good deal of projected cap space away. (I also think Dedmon might opt if he plays poorly enough, but let's hope not.)

I think the Spurs find themselves closer to A than B, probably in the $92-Million range. If cap projections bear out, that leaves $10 Million in room. If the min deals are not raised, then it could be an extra million. It's not obvious looking at this that the Spurs may well just bring back the same team with the MLE being used on one bench big and Milutinov being brought in to be the other one (or more precisely to compete with Bertans and a min guy for the spot). Bringing Patty back is just a smart use of resources then.

Well the smartest use might be to S&T Patty for a big like Noel and use the MLE on a guard. The good news is that the MLE is also projected to increase to like $8 Million, so that's good. That should give it the buying power to snag someone good.

To make a long post longer, here's a quick mock off-season for next summer:

In the draft next summer, the Spurs pick Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, since that just seems like something they'd do. In July are in Scenario A except Dedmon and Lee opt out. They decide to forego cap space and keep everyone else in addition to having Milutinov come over. They throw their 2018 first-rounder and Mills ($39M/3) in order to secure Noel in a S&T ($80M/4). They then use the MLE on Teodosic ($25M/3 with a player option in the final year). When camp breaks, Garino and Lalanne are the final to guys on the team.

This is the depth chart in that scenario:

PG: Parker, Teodosic, Murray
SG: Green, Forbes, Mykhailiuk
SF: Leonard, Anderson, Garino
PF: Aldridge, Bertans, Lalanne
C: Gasol, Noel, Milutinov

Here's how the salary breaks down:



Player Name
Salary


LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$21,461,010


Kawhi Leonard (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$18,868,625


Nerlens Noel
$18,600,000


Pau Gasol (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$16,197,500


Tony Parker (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$15,453,126


Danny Green (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$10,000,000


Milos Teodosic
$8,000,000


Tim Duncan (stretched)
$1,881,250


Kyle Anderson (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/san-antonio-spurs-team-salary/)
$2,151,704


Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk
$1,845,540


Livio Jean-Charles (waived)
$414,080


Dejounte Murray
$1,357,874


Bryn Forbes
$1,357,874


Davis Bertans
$1,357,874


Patricio Garino
$862,000


Cady Lalanne
$862,000






Estimated Total
$120,670,456


Estimated Tax Threshold
$122,000,000


Room Under Tax
$1,329,545




That would actually be pretty goddamned ideal.

Thanks for all your hard work. Very interesting, although I personally don't understand many ST posters' preoccupation with Noel. Especially if Milutinov joins the team next season, I would prefer somebody (unidentified, as yet) other than Noel.

[Chinook]

Thanks for all your hard work. Very interesting, although I personally don't understand many ST posters' preoccupation with Noel. Especially if Milutinov joins the team next season, I would prefer somebody (unidentified, as yet) other than Noel.

He's caught between being better than he gets to show but worse than people think he will be. As an off-ball defender, I think he's a great long-term compliment to Aldridge and better than what the team can expect from an MLE big. He definitely has more upside than Dedmon does, for example. His injury history is the scary thing.

The ideal thing would be to go into 2018 with Kawhi, a Noel who's playing to his potential and an actualized Murray under contract for a combined $42 Million with an actualized Anderson, Bertans an Forbes as RFAs. Would be awfully attractive to a max free agent or two if Green and LMA don't come back.

[spursistan]

I love Mills, and he is probably the best character-guy after Tim/Manu the Spurs have had in their lockeroom in the Big 3 era..But the truth is we should not be paying for his 2014 hot-shooting run in 2017, and neither should he be accepting of any offer he deems a "lowball" in this market..

A diminutive SG disguised as PG without playmaking skills and atrocious D (make no mistake; body can't match heart and will here), nearing 30, the Spurs have more pressing needs to address with a double-figure salary in the next 4 years than what Patty offers . With Manu likely retiring, it will mark the official dissolution of the "bench gang".. Things sometimes are cyclical like that.

If Forbes pans out, i may even try to dangle him in the trade deadline..

[GSH]

If he wants to go somewhere else next year, good for him. If he wants to leave now, he should go to management and ask for a trade. But don't start this distraction shit with the media, just before the season is about to start. Now it just hangs over everybody's head for the rest of the year.

He's trying to up the stakes because it's a contract year. He damn well better have a great season now.

[sasaint]

He's caught between being better than he gets to show but worse than people think he will be. As an off-ball defender, I think he's a great long-term compliment to Aldridge and better than what the team can expect from an MLE big. He definitely has more upside than Dedmon does, for example. His injury history is the scary thing.

The ideal thing would be to go into 2018 with Kawhi, a Noel who's playing to his potential and an actualized Murray under contract for a combined $42 Million with an actualized Anderson, Bertans an Forbes as RFAs. Would be awfully attractive to a max free agent or two if Green and LMA don't come back.

In that scenario, Milutinov really intrigues me. I think an actualized Milutinov could outshine an actualized Noel. Noel's injury history is a big concern. Plus, I think Noel is going to command a salary much higher than he is actually worth.

[dabom]

How the fuck are people being dismissive of patty when he already gave the Spurs a really low ball contract. 4 year 40 mill is fucking cheap for patty already. He talks like Manu. Smart and respective all the time. GSH a fag. :lol

[SAGirl]

I shared this last night and had a wrong title, I missedthe word "after" this season.

Anyways, the more I think about it, I am almost convinced he's not brought back for all the reasons here, between more lucrative offers, to better roles, to Spurs wanting to go a different direction, etc.

Mills has epitomized to a degree what playing in a role means. Other backup PG (Schroder, Reggie Jackson) have had dramas related to personal ambition in their prior teams and either got the starting PG traded (Teague), or got themselves traded to a team that would start them (Jackson). Mills got injured at the worst possible time, coming off a career season and the championship in 2014. I remember there were rumors about him going to NY b4 his injury was known.

Anyways, I don't think he has been held back. Quite the contrary he has played in the best possible system for his talent. He's able to play off Manu who complements him perfectly and from what I saw last season, got a large share of the bench ball handling to develop his real PG skills, as well as many good shots for himself. He's not spotted up spacing for other ppl, rather he's handling the ball, coming off screens firing, darting around the court to open spaces, while playing with others who are capable of finding him and might even be looking for him in good spots all the time, etc. He's been happy and a significant contributor to the team and his defensive deficiencies are better hidden in the bench, but to get paid and achieve personal goals it could be time to move on.

[dabom]

He is one of the best scorers on the team besides kawhi. 60%TS the last 4 playoffs. Ya cucks complaining about his shooting when he shows up in the playoffs. Like the Spurs always gonna win 50 games. This guy is an efficient scorer unlike some higher contracts on this team. :lmao

[dabom]

An :lol at anyone thinking Manu or anyone else makes him who he is. He is a scorer and a leader for the Spurs. Pop already talked about his leadership for the Spurs. Patty ain't gonna fuck anyone's wife too. :lol

[dabom]

If Patty leaves it's fine. But to character assassinate him is fucking ludicrous. Fucking twats.

[GSH]

How the fuck are people being dismissive of patty when he already gave the Spurs a really low ball contract. 4 year 40 mill is fucking cheap for patty already. He talks like Manu. Smart and respective all the time. GSH a fag. :lol


Always the king of your own alternate universe. Patty didn't "give the Spurs a really low ball contract", you fucking simian. He had seriously fucked up his shoulder, and had to have an operation. There was no bidding war for him, because nobody knew how he would come back from it. The Spurs gave him a respectable contract, especially since he couldn't even get back onto the court until after Christmas - and right about then Patty was damned glad to get it. There weren't a bunch of teams lined up to pay him more.

And, as usual, you argue about shit that I never said. If he can get more elsewhere, good for him. I just said he shouldn't talk about shit like that publicly just before the season starts. You're like a fucking dog. Point something out to you, and you always look at the finger.

[dabom]

Always the king of your own alternate universe. Patty didn't "give the Spurs a really low ball contract", you fucking simian. He had seriously fucked up his shoulder, and had to have an operation. There was no bidding war for him, because nobody knew how he would come back from it. The Spurs gave him a respectable contract, especially since he couldn't even get back onto the court until after Christmas - and right about then Patty was damned glad to get it. There weren't a bunch of teams lined up to pay him more.

And, as usual, you argue about shit that I never said. If he can get more elsewhere, good for him. I just said he shouldn't talk about shit like that publicly just before the season starts. You're like a fucking dog. Point something out to you, and you always look at the finger.

Again Spurs players usually don't shop themselves because they want to help the FO. Just like many fucking examples on the Spurs you stupid fuck. :lmao

Patty is just like Manu. Manu would have answered the same fucking way you stupid piece of shit. He isn't a fucking superstar. This isn't a distraction, faggot. :lmao

[tav1]

I like Nerlens Noel, but depending on the health of Parker/Ginobili and the early play of Lapprovittola and Murray, a simple swap of Mills for Robert Covington and a second round pick would work for both teams.

Covington is a useful defender to have against the Warriors and Cavs. Patty's agent would approve of the deal. His client could stuff his stats heading into free agency.

I'd also explore Patty Mills for Willie Cauley-Stein or Doug McDermott.

[jeebus]

He would've been paid a few years ago if it wasn't for his shoulder injury which scared teams away, which is the only reason the spurms got him back. He's gone next season as he's worth way more than a shitty $3m per year.

[Keepin' it real]

It would be a shame to lose Patty. He's been great for team chemistry and a clutch shooter.

[Boomersgold]

A diminutive SG disguised as PG without playmaking skills and atrocious D (make no mistake; body can't match heart and will here), nearing 30, the Spurs have more pressing needs to address with a double-figure salary in the next 4 years than what Patty offers . With Manu likely retiring, it will mark the official dissolution of the "bench gang".. Things sometimes are cyclical like that.


Patty does have some play making skills. He's improved that facet of his game greatly since his rookie season. It's just his offense overshadows it.

Also, Patty's a pretty average defender. He's not even the worst defender at his position on the team. Parker ranked dead last on the Spurs in defensive rating. If his defense is 'atrocious', what the hell would you call Parker's defense?

[sasaint]

Again Spurs players usually don't shop themselves because they want to help the FO. Just like many fucking examples on the Spurs you stupid fuck. :lmao

Patty is just like Manu. Manu would have answered the same fucking way you stupid piece of shit. He isn't a fucking superstar. This isn't a distraction, faggot. :lmao

You are right on those points. On the other hand, the Spurs did sign Patty to a good "we believe in you" contract when no other organization was willing to. That was a pretty good expression of the Spurs' loyalty, and I hope he does the team a solid next off-season as Danny did last off-season. I like Patty a lot, and I would hate to see him leave. I expect him to have a great season.

[cd98]

Anyone that pays Mills big money to be a PG is going to make a mistake. He was very mediocre last year and unless he shoots lights out this year, not sure he is getting a big contract offer.

[GSH]

Again Spurs players usually don't shop themselves because they want to help the FO. Just like many fucking examples on the Spurs you stupid fuck. :lmao

Patty is just like Manu. Manu would have answered the same fucking way you stupid piece of shit. He isn't a fucking superstar. This isn't a distraction, faggot. :lmao


Translation: "I fucked up saying Patty gave the Spurs a really low ball contract, so I better throw some other shit on the fan as a smoke screen."

The guy you think should be our starting PG is telling people that he might be leaving to go start somewhere else, and it isn't a distraction?

I guess you're just in full-retard mode because the season starts tonight, and Halloween is in less than a week. I forgive you.


BTW - here's a little gift, just for you, since you won't be able to trick or treat at my house this year:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/2/5866259/patty-mills-spurs-signs-nba-free-agency
"It's unclear if Mills' market would have been greater if not for his shoulder injury. The Knicks*showed early interest, but backed away after dealing for Jose Calderon. If healthy, other teams may have viewed him as a starting-quality guard and driven his price up. Instead, Mills stayed with the Spurs on an appropriate salary for a backup."

[sasaint]

Patty does have some play making skills. He's improved that facet of his game greatly since his rookie season. It's just his offense overshadows it.

Also, Patty's a pretty average defender. He's not even the worst defender at his position on the team. Parker ranked dead last on the Spurs in defensive rating. If his defense is 'atrocious', what the hell would you call Parker's defense?

:tu That is exactly how I see Patty. If Tony slips much at all, I look for Patty to supplant him in the starting lineup.

[tbdog]

I honestly believe Phil Jackson has Mills on his radar is would be perfect in their system with Melo and that 7ft freak. Rose contract would be expired and unless he gets back to some sort of starter form, I think he is gone. We were lucky to have Mills have the shoulder injury after his excellent 2014 playoff run, it saved us a lot of cap space.

[dabom]

Translation: "I fucked up saying Patty gave the Spurs a really low ball contract, so I better throw some other shit on the fan as a smoke screen."

The guy you think should be our starting PG is telling people that he might be leaving to go start somewhere else, and it isn't a distraction?

I guess you're just in full-retard mode because the season starts tonight, and Halloween is in less than a week. I forgive you.


BTW - here's a little gift, just for you, since you won't be able to trick or treat at my house this year:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/7/2/5866259/patty-mills-spurs-signs-nba-free-agency
"It's unclear if Mills' market would have been greater if not for his shoulder injury. The Knicks*showed early interest, but backed away after dealing for Jose Calderon. If healthy, other teams may have viewed him as a starting-quality guard and driven his price up. Instead, Mills stayed with the Spurs on an appropriate salary for a backup."

That's one team. Do you know if Patty shopped around all the teams? No you don't you stupid fuck. He is being payed peanuts to play 6th man role. To score the fuckin ball. :lmao

[GSH]

That's one team. Do you know if Patty shopped around all the teams? No you don't you stupid fuck. He is being payed peanuts to play 6th man role. To score the fuckin ball. :lmao


Well I haven't talked with his agent, if that's what you mean. But it was pretty well understood at the time, by anyone who didn't have his head up his ass. The contract he got was more than fair at the time he got it.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2117950-patty-mills-and-spurs-agree-on-3-year-contract-latest-details-and-analysis
Dutton's report*indicates*"up to" a seven-month absence, while Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports cited sources indicating a March return was more likely.*

With players like Ben Gordon, Shaun Livingston and Jodie Meeks signing in recent days for deals well above their expected market value, a healthy Mills might have expected a salary above the mid-level exception. The injury instead instantly dwindled his number of suitors. Teams are not typically keen on handing out high-salaried deals to players who can't contribute until the trade deadline—especially ones with only one season of above-replacement-level play.


And here's a quote from Patty himself:
"I haven't been through free-agency before; having this injury changes everything again," Mills told Fairfax Media. "I have no idea how it works, but I'm guessing it will affect (my next deal). "But it's out of my hands. It is what it is. We've got to make the most of the situation and move on."


Shouldn't you stop now? Your ass must really sting.

[Spurs9]

Trade him for Okafor asap

[rastaspur]

I honestly believe Phil Jackson has Mills on his radar is would be perfect in their system with Melo and that 7ft freak. Rose contract would be expired and unless he gets back to some sort of starter form, I think he is gone. We were lucky to have Mills have the shoulder injury after his excellent 2014 playoff run, it saved us a lot of cap space.

Mills should thrive in a triangle. I can see that happening.

[dabom]

Well I haven't talked with his agent, if that's what you mean. But it was pretty well understood at the time, by anyone who didn't have his head up his ass. The contract he got was more than fair at the time he got it.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2117950-patty-mills-and-spurs-agree-on-3-year-contract-latest-details-and-analysis
Dutton's report*indicates*"up to" a seven-month absence, while Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports cited sources indicating a March return was more likely.*

With players like Ben Gordon, Shaun Livingston and Jodie Meeks signing in recent days for deals well above their expected market value, a healthy Mills might have expected a salary above the mid-level exception. The injury instead instantly dwindled his number of suitors. Teams are not typically keen on handing out high-salaried deals to players who can't contribute until the trade deadline—especially ones with only one season of above-replacement-level play.


And here's a quote from Patty himself:
"I haven't been through free-agency before; having this injury changes everything again," Mills told Fairfax Media. "I have no idea how it works, but I'm guessing it will affect (my next deal). "But it's out of my hands. It is what it is. We've got to make the most of the situation and move on."


Shouldn't you stop now? Your ass must really sting.

Of course an injury changes everything. It would sound idiotic to say otherwise. I wasn't arguing if the shoulder injury dropped his value. I was talking about giving a discount on top of the injury you fucking twat. :lmao

[NameLess Scrub]

I don't know about that I think maybe the Spurs are holding him back a little. Wasn't he the leading scorer in the last 2 Olympics ? Either way I'm sure there are teams out there that will pay him, I would love to see him stay but if he wants to get paid I can't complain.

He does score a lot in FIBA. I just think his skills are more of a SG and due to this physical limitations he would have had a much harder time had not been for the Spurs.

That said, I agree. If he can actually get a contract and role like that, he should probably take it.

[GSH]

Of course an injury changes everything. It would sound idiotic to say otherwise. I wasn't arguing if the shoulder injury dropped his value. I was talking about giving a discount on top of the injury you fucking twat. :lmao


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[gambit1990]

i like patty.

if trading him meant i could package parker as well... i would do it.

[dabom]

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"Such a distraction" "I'm a whiny lil bitch" - GSH :lol

[GSH]

I was talking about giving a discount on top of the injury you fucking twat. :lmao


So prove it. Show me something that says Patty gave a discount on top of the injury. Anything.

[dabom]

So prove it. Show me something that says Patty gave a discount on top of the injury. Anything.

Most of the recent history of the Spurs players taking paycuts to stay with the Spurs. Are you a fucking idiot? :lmao

[spursistan]

]I honestly believe Phil Jackson has Mills on his radar is would be perfect in their system with Melo and that 7ft freak. Rose contract would be expired and unless he gets back to some sort of starter form, I think he is gone. [/B]We were lucky to have Mills have the shoulder injury after his excellent 2014 playoff run, it saved us a lot of cap space.

I would rather we dump Parker to him tbh

[gambit1990]

I would rather we dump Parker
no doubt.

seems like pop would never do that though? maybe he if fucks another teammate's wife...

[RD2191]

He's trash. Needs to gtfo along with the fat pos we have at pg now.

[spursistan]

no doubt.

seems like pop would never do that though? maybe he if fucks another teammate's wife...
yep, more like Pop won't do it than Tony refusing to live in NYC in the tilight of his career..Parker is still a name, and i think he could still chuck his way to 15 PPG on non-contending team in the East..

[GSH]

Most of the recent history of the Spurs players taking paycuts to stay with the Spurs. Are you a fucking idiot? :lmao


So you don't have anything to back up what you said?

[dabom]

So you don't have anything to back up what you said?

Took you ten minutes for that? :lmao

Again, this is the Spurs Culture, faggot. :lol

Years and years of multiple players taking paycuts to stay with the Spurs is more than enough. If you can see it, then you just a main stream vanilla poster. :lol

[GSH]

Took you ten minutes for that? :lmao

Again, this is the Spurs Culture, faggot. :lol

Years and years of multiple players taking paycuts to stay with the Spurs is more than enough. If you can see it, then you just a main stream vanilla poster. :lol


So you've got nothing? I'll even accept an old SpursTalk post from back then, if you can find one that says Patty gave the Spurs a discount on top of the injury.

[NameLess Scrub]

no doubt.

pop would never do that though

FIFY

[dabom]

So you've got nothing? I'll even accept an old SpursTalk post from back then, if you can find one that says Patty gave the Spurs a discount on top of the injury.

I already gave you more than enough proof, faggot. I probably got a post but I wouldn't know where to look. I got to go back to work. I could careless.

[GSH]

I already gave you more than enough proof, faggot. I probably got a post but I wouldn't know where to look. I got to go back to work. I could careless.


All I asked is for you to show something to back up your claim. If you can't do that, just say so.

[dabom]

All I asked is for you to show something to back up your claim. If you can't do that, just say so.

A history of Spurs players taking paycuts. Like atleast 80% of the Spurs players have taken a paycut at a certain point or another. Patty ain't the type to talk about that because he is a high character person. THAT IN ITSELF IS PROOF, FAGGOT. :lmao

[J_Paco]

I don't know about that I think maybe the Spurs are holding him back a little. Wasn't he the leading scorer in the last 2 Olympics ? Either way I'm sure there are teams out there that will pay him, I would love to see him stay but if he wants to get paid I can't complain.

You totally missed the point of what he said. Patty is an undersized SG, actually he's undersized even for a PG, that masquerades as PG. He isn't good at initiating offense or creating shots for his teammates, instead he's like Jason Terry in that he needs a good/great (passing) SG to run the offense.

In those same Olympic games where Patty was the main gunner for Australia; he never led the team in assists per game. He probably shouldn't ever start (consistently) in the NBA unless the team is lottery bound, the team is dealing with injuries or has an elite playmaking/defending (who does?) SG.

[Boomersgold]

You totally missed the point of what he said. Patty is an undersized SG, actually he's undersized even for a PG, that masquerades as PG. He isn't good at initiating offense or creating shots for his teammates, instead he's like Jason Terry in that he needs a good/great (passing) SG to run the offense.

In those same Olympic games where Patty was the main gunner for Australia; he didn't never led the team in assists per game. He probably shouldn't ever start (consistently) in the NBA unless the team is lottery bound or has an elite playmaking/defending (who does?) SG.

In other words, he's a score-first point guard. How many of the starting point guards in the NBA right now are pure, pass-first point guards?

[J_Paco]

In other words, he's a score-first point guard. How many of the starting point guards in the NBA right now are pure, pass-first point guards?

No, he's a shooting guard but is too small to play his actual position (ala Jerryd Bayless). Patty has very limited court-vision and is below average at creating good looks for teammates. He is great coming off screens and using screens to hoist a good look, though.

His defense is below average or poor because he is too small and no amount of effort he gives will ever change that. Players literally bully Patty inside or just shot right over him. Again, he does try much, much harder than most other PG's on defense.

He is best suited in a role similar to the one he has now in San Antonio, but anyone stupid enough to name him a starter would be looking to fail/lose.

(Note: Philadelphia is going to lose a whole bunch if they start Bayless once he returns from injury. Sergio Rodriguez js a obvious better choice and would be over Patty if that scenario came to pass.)

[dabom]

Patty is a pg dumbass. Semantics. Lol

[bklynspursfan]

Patty brings great stuff to the team. I hope he sticks around... his shooting/floor spacing will always be valuable

[wildbill2u]

Imagine that Tony gets injured in the first game and is gone forever. Is your best judgment that Patty should move into the starting lineup for the season--and beyond via another contract?.

I don't think many folks would seriously consider and approve that scenario, despite what Patty brings to the table in shooting, energy, team spirit, etc. We all, or most of us at least, love him for those characteristics and skills. But A Vinnie Johnson (the Microwave) 6th man is more like his ceiling.

So, I just don't see him as a long term replacement at PG for Parker. And we really don't have anyone at present that we can guarantee is going to be a quality NBA PG for several seasons to come unless Murray makes an unbelievable jump in his skill set. The search for Parker's replacement must continue--but with more urgency.

[dabom]

Completely disappears. WTF kinda scenario is that. He either plays backup and we go from there.

[gambit1990]

i'd start patty over parker. to people saying patty's not a true pg... neither is parker.

parker gets most of his few assists from just driving and kicking the ball out. it's not like he's making great passes/plays out there, quite the contrary tbh.

parker's the problem. maybe pop won't bench him for the same reason he didn't keep manu in the starting line up. tony's an awkward fit starting or coming off the bench with manu.

[TD 21]

:lmao At thinking the 76ers would sign-and-trade Noel for Mills. That's right up there with West for starting center and Sullinger can do it all.

Even if he was sufficient value, Mills wouldn't make sense for them anyway (or any team, in a starting role). Besides, they already signed Bayless, who's a similar player and between whichever of Noel or Okafor ultimately gets traded and another inevitable top 4 pick, they should be able to find a starting point guard.

There's good reasons (his potential market value and no longer having Ginobili to function as the point guard offensively) to think it would be prudent to move on from Mills, but the presence of Murray, Laprovitolla and Forbes isn't one. At this writing, not one is a proven NBA player, let alone a rotation one on an elite team and the latter isn't a point guard on either side of the ball.

[dabom]

My nigga TD. :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

There's good reasons (his potential market value and no longer having Ginobili to function as the point guard offensively) to think it would be prudent to move on from Mills, but the presence of Murray, Laprovitolla and Forbes isn't one. At this writing, not one is a proven NBA player, let alone a rotation one on an elite team and the latter isn't a point guard on either side of the ball.

If Patty got traded for McLemore then Manu can run the offense & McLemore can get the tougher defensive assignment. (Kyle would be the backup 3)

Patty is going to get abused by Livingston/Rivers so dude is a lost cause against the two contenders, might as well move him for something rather than letting him walk at the end of the season b/c that's going to happen. (In all likeliness, PATFO are going to upgrade the PG position next summer w/ G.Hill being the primary target)

[TD 21]

If Patty got traded for McLemore then Manu can run the offense & McLemore can get the tougher defensive assignment. (Kyle would be the backup 3)

Patty is going to get abused by Livingston/Rivers so dude is a lost cause against the two contenders, might as well move him for something rather than letting him walk at the end of the season b/c that's going to happen. (In all likeliness, PATFO are going to upgrade the PG position next summer w/ G.Hill being the primary target)

Not that that's necessarily a bad trade, but it would place even more of a creative burden on Ginobili and McLemore can't defend point guards.

Mills and Ginobill should cross match versus the Warriors, so Mills can be safely hid on Clark/McCaw. If Rivers persists as a problem, they could do the same versus the Clippers. Crawford is physically weaker and more of a jump shooter.

Agree that Hill will be a target.

[Clipper Nation]

Porker's going to run him off, tbh. Just like he's run off all his other backups who outplay him on the regular.

[bklynspursfan]

Porker's going to run him off, tbh. Just like he's run off all his other backups who outplay him on the regular.

Do you post anything without talking about Parker?

[Kawhitstorm]

Not that that's necessarily a bad trade, but it would place even more of a creative burden on Ginobili and McLemore can't defend point guards.

I'm not sure how McLemore couldn't defend PGs better than Patty.:downspin:

McLemore was actually a solid defender when Mike Malone was the Kings coach. He looks like Danny compared to Simmons who was the guy Pop tried to use in the CoJo "defensive stopper" role when Patty was getting abused.:lol


Mills and Ginobill should cross match versus the Warriors, so Mills can be safely hid on Clark/McCaw.

The cross-match strategy doesn't work so well when the other team is playing 7-seconds-of-less. (the Bowen/Nash & Danny/Curry crossmatches worked well b/c Nash/Curry were also checking Bowen/Danny on the other end)


If Rivers persists as a problem, they could do the same versus the Clippers. Crawford is physically weaker and more of a jump shooter.

Pop tried that switch in Gm 7 & Crawford flambeed Patty although Manu slowed down Rivers.

In any case, if Patty gets moved then it's going to be around the trade deadline depending on how Pop feels about Leprosy being a rotation player. Beno got minutes in the Finals as a wet-behind-the-ears rookie, Leprosy can't do any worse as a vet.:lol

[SAGirl]

I'm not sure how McLemore couldn't defend PGs better than Patty.:downspin:

McLemore was actually a solid defender when Mike Malone was the Kings coach. He looks like Danny compared to Simmons who was the guy Pop tried to use in the CoJo "defensive stopper" role when Patty was getting abused.:lol



The cross-match strategy doesn't work so well when the other team is playing 7-seconds-of-less. (the Bowen/Nash & Danny/Curry crossmatches worked well b/c Nash/Curry were also checking Bowen/Danny on the other end)



Pop tried that switch in Gm 7 & Crawford flambeed Patty although Manu slowed down Rivers.
Flambeaux
that was hilarious.:toast
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Patty defense on Crawford featured as No. 6 here:
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[dabom]

Fathead didn't get a minute that playoffs. :lmao

[sasaint]

I'm not sure how McLemore couldn't defend PGs better than Patty.:downspin:

McLemore was actually a solid defender when Mike Malone was the Kings coach. He looks like Danny compared to Simmons who was the guy Pop tried to use in the CoJo "defensive stopper" role when Patty was getting abused.:lol



The cross-match strategy doesn't work so well when the other team is playing 7-seconds-of-less. (the Bowen/Nash & Danny/Curry crossmatches worked well b/c Nash/Curry were also checking Bowen/Danny on the other end)



Pop tried that switch in Gm 7 & Crawford flambeed Patty although Manu slowed down Rivers.

In any case, if Patty gets moved then it's going to be around the trade deadline depending on how Pop feels about Leprosy being a rotation player. Beno got minutes in the Finals as a wet-behind-the-ears rookie, Leprosy can't do any worse as a vet.:lol

My guess is that PATFO hold on to Patty and let him walk at season's end. I would bet McLemore is not even on their radar. Spurs will target, land and overpay G Hill. ST will turn on him halfway through next season, and then there will be 2 point guards over which posters can melt down.

[SAGirl]

My guess is that PATFO hold on to Patty and let him walk at season's end. I would bet McLemore is not even on their radar. Spurs will target, land and overpay G Hill. ST will turn on him halfway through next season, and then there will be 2 point guards over which posters can melt down.
Solid take.

[sasaint]

Solid take.

It just seems like the Spurs are intent on applying big bandages (not really band aids) and in a year or two the team may need a tourniquet. I know that's not the Spurs' Way, but I wish they were more aggressive, more proactive in their personnel moves.

[alpha_HaZE]

I can see him fit in Philly with their passer forwards and Brett Brown.

Ha! They already took a shot at it with Manu, I can't imagine Spurs matching their offer the second time around. It will be sad to see Mills go :(

[SAGirl]

It just seems like the Spurs are intent on applying big bandages (not really band aids) and in a year or two the team may need a tourniquet. I know that's not the Spurs' Way, but I wish they were more aggressive, more proactive in their personnel moves.

Maybe. They have added talent in FA (LMA and Pau), but they need at least a couple of their young guys to pan out, and another addition. (When I am optimistic I think at least 3 of their youngster draft picks will pan out, but we shall see, Kyle has to show up this season, Bertans has to show to be durable against physical competition, then it's just too soon for Murray and Milutinov).

The tradeable guys are Tony and Manu, they don't even correspond with the timing of the new generation, but you know Pop is not trading those two. If anything Pop is using them to set the tone and help out the youngsters and try to establish a bridge between eras. Beyond them, the guys they could trade they need this season and the youngsters they have are on very cheap contracts. It's not worth it to trade them. Simmons is not worth much on his own and if he were to turn into a player, you'd want to keep him. They have to stand pat or blow it up (like trade LMA or other big assets blow it up). It's possible Mills can have trade value to contenders about half way through the season when they get desperate, even if it's a rental but right now, we might be speculating about his trade value but bc he's a FA this offseason and he's already saying he's going to look around, why trade for him?

Nah, Spurs stand pat. Then FA is anyone's guess. I said solid take bc I see a bit of CoJo in Mills' story. Maybe the Spurs know that and that is why Lapro is here (on top of Murray, and Forbes)... One can kind of sense they know they will need guard depth again and are getting ready.

[SAGirl]

Ha! They already took a shot at it with Manu, I can't imagine Spurs matching their offer the second time around. It will be sad to see Mills go :(Mills appears to be at a stage where he's looking for a paycheck and well deserved, but also a bigger role.

[Kawhitstorm]

My guess is that PATFO hold on to Patty and let him walk at season's end. I would bet McLemore is not even on their radar. Spurs will target, land and overpay G Hill. ST will turn on him halfway through next season, and then there will be 2 point guards over which posters can melt down.

The era when Porker/Hill were the two headed monsters at PG is referred to as the "Dark Ages".:lol

[sasaint]

Maybe. They have added talent in FA (LMA and Pau), but they need at least a couple of their young guys to pan out, and another addition. (When I am optimistic I think at least 3 of their youngster draft picks will pan out, but we shall see, Kyle has to show up this season, Bertans has to show to be durable against physical competition, then it's just too soon for Murray and Milutinov).

The tradeable guys are Tony and Manu, they don't even correspond with the timing of the new generation, but you know Pop is not trading those two. If anything Pop is using them to set the tone and help out the youngsters and try to establish a bridge between eras. Beyond them, the guys they could trade they need this season and the youngsters they have are on very cheap contracts. It's not worth it to trade them. Simmons is not worth much on his own and if he were to turn into a player, you'd want to keep him. They have to stand pat or blow it up (like trade LMA or other big assets blow it up). It's possible Mills can have trade value to contenders about half way through the season when they get desperate, even if it's a rental but right now, we might be speculating about his trade value but bc he's a FA this offseason and he's already saying he's going to look around, why trade for him?

Nah, Spurs stand pat. Then FA is anyone's guess. I said solid take bc I see a bit of CoJo in Mills' story. Maybe the Spurs know that and that is why Lapro is here (on top of Murray, and Forbes)... One can kind of sense they know they will need guard depth again and are getting ready.

The problem is that, because of the timing you mention, KAWHI is going to end up being the bridge - IF he re-ups after a couple years on a pretender. You know that I am not a big fan of LMA. I think the Spurs went after a big fish because he was obtainable - without much regard for how he would fit on the floor or in the locker room. I would have much preferred that the Spurs spend the cap space they spent on LMA on a couple of good, younger pieces to go with Kawhi. (Consciously or not, I think the team has hurt its future in a Quixotic quest to win one last ring for Timmy.) Pau came two years too late. He, too is a big bandage. The team will not trade Tony or Manu, and I doubt it will be proactive with Patty who is the other obvious player with some value. As long as that is the team's approach, it will not have the cap space to do anything very meaningful in free agency, and it will not make any meaningful trades. Kawhi will age several years before the Spurs will possibly be contenders again. Btw, trading LMA would not be "blowing up" anything! A player of his marquee name and ability will most surely fetch a very valuable piece or two in return. Big, bold moves are not the same as "blowing up" a pretender.

[alpha_HaZE]

Mills appears to be at a stage where he's looking for a paycheck and well deserved, but also a bigger role.

I just hope the Spurs give him that starting PG spot for the next two to three years.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

This is most likely unless Parker just finally takes the back seat. Parker goes in, Warriors cut 8 points off the league, bring back Mills, Spurs increase the lead by 10. I appreciate Parker as a Spurs fan, but what he had going for him was his speed and that's gone. Now he is nothing more than a backup PG now. And this is not the first time this has happen to a player who relied most on his athleticism to make great plays.

Parker just hasn't evolved his game enough to warrant being the Spurs starting PG after this season. Mills should be resigned and name the starter IMO.