The Turd Towers: 43 min, 4 pts, 2-10, 5 rebs, 5 TOs, 0 ast, 1 blk.....Good Riddance!

[Kawhitstorm]

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[apalisoc_9]

:lmao

So glad we're done with these no boxout dudes..can't rebound for shit.

[TimDunkem]

Ew. :lol Good riddance indeed.

[raybies]

:toast

[midnightpulp]

Boris got even fatter :lmao

[raybies]

Lee seems to be an upgrade over West. Anyone else see when he dropped Simmons and got called for the offensive foul? He had his patented temper tantrum. I just laughed.

[Kawhitstorm]

Lee seems to be an upgrade over West. Anyone else see when he dropped Simmons and got called for the offensive foul? He had his patented temper tantrum. I just laughed.

Dude is the new Kendrick Perkins.:lol

[raybies]

Dude is the new Kendrick Perkins.:lol

He'll have his moments but he's a net negative for the most part. The pnp had to go. Glad that Lee can do both and is a better passer in general but especially on the roll.

[TheGreatYacht]

The DWorst curse

[BillMc]

Dude is the new Kendrick Perkins.:lol
:lol

Agree. Though I will never bash Boris because of the brilliance of 2014. He was huge (no pun) in that run.

[timtonymanu]

Not gonna hate on Bobo.

But :lmao at David Worst, ring chasing and can't rebound.

[SAGirl]

Wow what a stat line!!! I never liked DWorst. Sure while he was a Spur you had to root for him and his passing and the jumper were nice but I had seen enough of his share of defense an the lack of boxing out and boarding. I hope he costs the GSW a few games.

Lee is definitely a more energetic player. :tu

[SAGirl]

Wow .... I am kind of thinking that if they were still in the Spurs they don't come away with this win... Diaw was more savvy within the system and his chemistry helped him... but DWorst as terrible last season against GSW.

[spursistan]

Yep..Other than his love affair with Bonner, Pop actually has good feel as to when a role player is done with the team and it's time to move one.


Also PATFO saved a life in the process: UNT Eagles 2016 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49650) :lol

[Maddog]

DWest triple double last night.
2 pts 2 rebs 2 fouls

[BillMc]

DWest triple double last night.
2 pts 2 rebs 2 fouls
:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Yep..Other than his love affair with Bonner, Pop actually has good feel as to when a role player is done with the team and it's time to move one.


Also PATFO saved a life in the process: UNT Eagles 2016 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49650) :lol

He knew when not to play Bonner after that 2011 series tho. And Bonner improved big time after that. Bonner was more than just a role player, he actually was a staple in the lockerroom. West, not so much.

[NameLess Scrub]

I had forgotten a little bit about David Lee. Dude played like he cared. It was nice to see.

So far, the "West for DLee swap" is looking good.

Boris.. sometimes makes me feel like he doesn't deserve this talents :lol

[K...]

I would caution y'all, d west is playing a against a team with great interior defense. Lee wasn't. Like last year, West dude is going to be expected to play center more than he should.

If we had the either west or Diaw they'd both have good games against this small gsw team. But lee won't be any worse than those guys, but he's not much better than either west or DiaW in the long run.

[MaNu4Tres]

Been saying it all off-season.

Spurs only had one big last year in the playoff rotation that had a pulse. Duncan was done, West was done and Boris only had coffee keeping him awake. Dedmon was going to be an auto upgrade on West. Gasol was going to be an auto upgrade on Duncan. Then Bertans/Lee replaced the unmotivated photographer.

So glad West didn't want to come back. If he did, he's probably here instead of Lee. At least Lee is still active.

[SAGirl]

I would caution y'all, d west is playing a against a team with great interior defense. Lee wasn't. Like last year, West dude is going to be expected to play center more than he should.

If we had the either west or Diaw they'd both have good games against this small gsw team. But lee won't be any worse than those guys, but he's not much better than either west or DiaW in the long run.You are probably right in that Lee is no game changer. But West did look very bad this game, he was committing bad fouls, just overall, not good.

[bdictjames]

We were lucky to have both players. I'll leave it at that.

[SpursBig3s]

Been saying it all off-season.

Spurs only had one big last year in the playoff rotation that had a pulse. Duncan was done, West was done and Boris only had coffee keeping him awake. Dedmon was going to be an auto upgrade on West. Gasol was going to be an auto upgrade on Duncan. Then Bertans/Lee replaced the unmotivated photographer.

So glad West didn't want to come back. If he did, he's probably here instead of Lee. At least Lee is still active.


Dedmon looked totally lost on offense last night. Those dunk attempts were painful to watch, but I did like his D. He is athletic. I'm hoping he improves on the other end. His awareness needs work he messed up the spacing a couple times.

[MaNu4Tres]

Dedmon looked totally lost on offense last night. Those dunk attempts were painful to watch, but I did like his D. He is athletic. I'm hoping he improves on the other end. His awareness needs work he messed up the spacing a couple times.

His ability to defend the PnR in space and defend the rim is an auto upgrade on West, no matter what he does offensively.

[Mikeanaro]

I like Boris but he is a lazy ass, and regarding West... fuck that fake tuff nigglet.

[Phenomanul]

Dedmon looked totally lost on offense last night. Those dunk attempts were painful to watch, but I did like his D. He is athletic. I'm hoping he improves on the other end. His awareness needs work he messed up the spacing a couple times.

His hands are like Nazr Mohammed's hands... very fumbly, fumbly... but he has good rebounding instincts, so that is a good thing.

[james evans]

You are probably right in that Lee is no game changer. But West did look very bad this game, he was committing bad fouls, just overall, not good.
So basically he was himself

[BD24]

Absolutely. Was great having bigs off the bench that could actually fucking rebound. Dedmon is shit on offense, but that guy can crash the boards and plays decent defense at least. Was nice watching West get shit on all night :lol

[SpursBig3s]

His ability to defend the PnR in space and defend the rim is an auto upgrade on West, no matter what he does offensively.


I agree, yes

[FkLA]

Diaw > Lee

[DocDoc]

True, but Lee is solid and doesn't make mistakes. He is a more traditional forward than Diaw.

Plus, he is in shape...

[HarlemHeat37]

Watched the Jazz game, Boris looked horribly out of shape and unmotivated, tbh..

I thought a contract year with the increased cap would motivate him, but he may just be burnt out from basketball, at this point..

[UNT Eagles 2016]

DWorst is awful and Diaw is just too fat to play any sports other than golf at this point.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

The DWorst curse


Wow what a stat line!!! I never liked DWorst. Sure while he was a Spur you had to root for him and his passing and the jumper were nice but I had seen enough of his share of defense an the lack of boxing out and boarding. I hope he costs the GSW a few games.

Lee is definitely a more energetic player. :tu


Yep..Other than his love affair with Bonner, Pop actually has good feel as to when a role player is done with the team and it's time to move one.


Also PATFO saved a life in the process: UNT Eagles 2016 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49650) :lol


I take 100% full credit for this thread, the "Turd Towers" moniker for West-Diaw, the "D-Worst" moniker, and the fact that last night proved me right all along.


:toast

[EIC]

Definitely lots of addition by subtraction last night. The departures of West and Diaw in particular. The second unit looked fantastic, reminiscent of 2014.

If we could just swap out Parker for a legit guard like CP3 and get Gasol in the groove, this team could be a monster.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Diaw > Lee

Playmaking wise, Yes. Rebounding, Hell no. Lee is a much better rebounder than Diaw and that is what killed the SPurs last year and why they lost to OKC last year.

Plus Lee is younger and moves better. It's a slight upgrade IMO as Diaw started to become disinterested again last year and didn't have the same fire he had the 1st 3 years w/ the Spurs. Lee looks like he wants to prove himself and he was hustling all night last night. I expect him to get better defensively as the season progresses.

[spursistan]

Damn just type "Diaw & Fat" in twitter search :lol

[rjv]

west really should have retired. i was a bit surprised GS took the bait on him after what he showed last season.

[spursistan]

west really should have retired. i was a bit surprised GS took the bait on him after what he showed last season.

pretty mindboggling since they had his taller and younger version in Speights who got the same mininum salary from the Clips..

[SAGirl]

FYI for everyone: Pop wanted both. Dworst left of his own accord and Diaw was traded reluctantly for Gasol, since Diaw had been public stating that Pop wanted to keep him if it was possible. So we may be thankful to external factors in that account.

I did think Diaw was over the hill last season but it was hard to tell what was coasting and what was really being over the hill that was masked by his unselfishness. He was still able to have good to very good games on occasion, but that is what happens with aging veterans, they start to be more inconsistent and they don't have it every night anymore. I am sure taking care of his diet and fitness could prolong his play since he's so skilled, but he doesn't seem to care about that. I still think Dedmon/Lee will have times they will show their known warts but they are more energetic, which suits the bench. Dworst and Diaw played a different style and clearly that was not enough to carry the Spurs any further than they did.

[phxspurfan]

His hands are like Nazr Mohammed's hands... very fumbly, fumbly... but he has good rebounding instincts, so that is a good thing.

If all we get out of Demon is defense and rebounding, were doing alright. If all we get out of Lee is active defense and a couple layups, were ahead of the game

If either goes off for more and gets 10 points 7 rebounds we stacked

[Kawhitstorm]

His hands are like Nazr Mohammed's hands... very fumbly, fumbly... but he has good rebounding instincts, so that is a good thing.

The thing is that he isn't going to get that many touches, even Tim didn't get that many touches last season. Although, he should probably try swatting the offensive rebounds much like Tyson Chandler b/c he tends to fumble 'em.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Watched the Jazz game, Boris looked horribly out of shape and unmotivated, tbh..

I thought a contract year with the increased cap would motivate him, but he may just be burnt out from basketball, at this point..

Boris is living off a pension at this point, the cappuccino machine is as good as a Hawaiian shirt.:lol

[spursistan]

Diaw vs Lakers : 18 minutes 0pts/1ast/2rebs
West vs Pelicans: 9 minutes 3pts/1reb

I'm afraid Boris is ready for retirement. At this rate, he is going to have to settle for the minimum salary if he wants to stay in this league next season..

[Spur|n|Austin]

Diaw > Lee

Have to disagree, largely based on numbers. I'll always like Boris Diaw the person, and the Beautiful Game 2014 Boris, but lets not kid ourselves... Lee is an upgrade.

[K...]

That GQ interview really is damning; there are like 9 things Diaw would rather do than basketball. I'd like to think Utah got Diaw for coaching and stuff, to be a player coach. Utah needs motivation and Georgie and Diaw can play good cop bad cop.

[Mugen]

Not gonna hate on Bobo.

But :lmao at David Worst, ring chasing and can't rebound.

[Sean Cagney]

Diaw 2.0 was a beast, the last two years the fat lazy one, not so much. West ehhhhh, he was good during the year but that OKC series he was way out of pocket.

[tholdren]

Been saying it all off-season.

Spurs only had one big last year in the playoff rotation that had a pulse. Duncan was done, West was done and Boris only had coffee keeping him awake. Dedmon was going to be an auto upgrade on West. Gasol was going to be an auto upgrade on Duncan. Then Bertans/Lee replaced the unmotivated photographer.

So glad West didn't want to come back. If he did, he's probably here instead of Lee. At least Lee is still active.
pau isn't an upgrade over tim.

[spursistan]

Watching Bobo against the Clippers..dude is completely washed :lol..More TOs (4) than combined Pts/rebs/Assists= (1)

[TimDunkem]

Watching Bobo against the Clippers..dude is completely washed :lol..More TOs (4) than combined Pts/rebs/Assists= (1)
:vomit:

[spursistan]

:vomit:

Bobcats Diaw 2.0, tbh

[Clipper Nation]

Diaw needs to be on a good team to be effective, not det Jizz core. I've always thought he'd be good on the Clippers' bench, tbh.

[siraulo23]

Lee and Dedmon cant play any better, theyve been excellent so far after 4 games

[AaronY]

DWest triple double last night.
2 pts 2 rebs 2 fouls
Rofl.

[Dancelot]

DWest triple double last night.
2 pts 2 rebs 2 fouls
Triple single :lol

[timtonymanu]

Damn Bobo, that's rough. Like I said I can't hate on him. We got a championship with him. Just glad he gave us his best years :lol

[SpursIndonesia]

pau isn't an upgrade over tim.

Yes he is, most of it offensively (with a slight positive overall at this moment), compared to all wheels fallen off, 40 yrs old Timmy.

[Maddog]

Yes he is, most of it offensively (with a slight positive overall at this moment), compared to all wheels fallen off, 40 yrs old Timmy.

Defensively Tim was better....until after the other knee went. still good at positioning and calling out.
Overall Pau is a bit of an upgrade. I'm a usually a bit sceptical of the intangibles discus sion with certain players, but with Tim, I think it was true. That said tonight was a god win. B2B on the road not playing well and 2 starters out.

[Kawhitstorm]

Watching Bobo against the Clippers..dude is completely washed :lol..More TOs (4) than combined Pts/rebs/Assists= (1)

Boris has more fouls/TOs this season than points/assists. Also, has recorded zero blocks/steals in 3 games.:lol

[SpursIndonesia]

Defensively Tim was better....until after the other knee went. still good at positioning and calling out.
Overall Pau is a bit of an upgrade. I'm a usually a bit sceptical of the intangibles discus sion with certain players, but with Tim, I think it was true. That said tonight was a god win. B2B on the road not playing well and 2 starters out.

Well, if we go to intangibles area, all bets are off, TD is such a force there especially later in his career, mostly towards the rookies & newcomers as a sort of chaperone, and be the team pillar of mental strength.

[spursistan]

Turd Towers Update:
* Tragic that this is contract year Bobo even with Favors out injured:vomit:..

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Meanwhile D-Worst has found his way to Kerr dog house before GSW hit 20 games mark, while Poop kept playing him over a retiring team legend and Top 5 alltime player :lmao..

I will never forget how Pop straight pulled Timmy to the bench in G5 after he blocked Adams or Westbrook and momentum was about to change in our favor in the 3rd quarter of the game..

[cjw]

Turd Towers Update:
* Tragic that this is contract year Bobo even with Favors out injured:vomit:..

Meanwhile D-Worst has found his way to Kerr dog house before GSW hit 20 games mark, while Poop kept playing him over a retiring team legend and Top 5 alltime player :lmao..

I will never forget how Pop straight pulled Timmy to the bench in G5 after he blocked Adams or Westbrook and momentum was about to change in our favor in the 3rd quarter of the game..


The real difference between this year's team and last year's isn't the dropoff defensively from Duncan to Gasol (but slightly better offensively), but replacing those Diaw/West minutes with two productive 3rd and 4th bigs.

Imagine if GS had pulled off Dedmon instead of West...

[Kawhitstorm]

Imagine if GS had pulled off Dedmon instead of West...

D-Worst is going to payoff for the Spurs just like Dick Jefferson did in '13.:lol

[GSH]

Turd Towers Update:
* Tragic that this is contract year Bobo even with Favors out injured:vomit:..

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Last I looked most of Diaw's numbers looked worse than Fathead's. Diaw is getting a few more minutes, but on a Per-36 basis, he had a very slight edge in points and assists, but everything else Fathead was much better.

[Kawhitstorm]

Last I looked most of Diaw's numbers looked worse than Fathead's. Diaw is getting a few more minutes, but on a Per-36 basis, he had a very slight edge in points and assists, but everything else Fathead was much better.

Fat Head can rebound/defend MUCH better than Diaw 0.1

[spursistan]

818270864969908226

Honestly I think Diaw is done with basketball..I don't think he is getting anything above Vet minimum next summer..

[lefty20]

Diaw stopped giving a shit about baskeball after '14, tbh.

[spursistan]

846575907707899905

Robz4000 , u want this dude back? :lol

One thing I still give credit to Pop for is that he knows exactly when to jettison a "role player"-- when that said player is done with the team and can't contribute anymore..Diaw is simply washed and has no hunger left in him when it comes winning...I'm not even sure i want him for the minimum next season..

[Robz4000]

846575907707899905

Robz4000 , u want this dude back? :lol

One thing I still give credit to Pop for is that he knows exactly when to jettison a "role player"-- when that said player is done with the team and can't contribute anymore..Diaw is simply washed and has no hunger left in him when it comes winning...I'm not even sure i want him for the minimum next season..

He was having a better second half of the season than first from what I saw. He brings a bit to the table what the Spurs need (dribble penetration, driving and kicking, efficient/skilled post game); his main issue was that Pop continuously tried to play him alongside another undersized big in DWorst.

[TD 21]

I suspect Lee's being re-signed is dependant on whether they can re-sign Dedmon. If they can and as expected, Bertans becomes a rotation player, because he's matchup dependant, they're still going to need a rotation caliber backup power forward, only they'll need one content to be the fifth big and make the minimum.

If they still think Splitter can defend power forwards in certain match-ups, then he'd make sense, since he could replace Lee's rim rolling and double as the third center.

If they can't re-sign Dedmon and Lee is re-signed, then Splitter would be a cleaner fit, since that would no longer be an issue.

So either way, I see him as the more likely returnee than Diaw.

[Robz4000]

I suspect Lee's being re-signed is dependant on whether they can re-sign Dedmon. If they can and as expected, Bertans becomes a rotation player, because he's matchup dependant, they're still going to need a rotation caliber backup power forward, only they'll need one content to be the fifth big and make the minimum.

If they still think Splitter can defend power forwards in certain match-ups, then he'd make sense, since he could replace Lee's rim rolling and double as the third center.

If they can't re-sign Dedmon and Lee is re-signed, then Splitter would be a cleaner fit, since that would no longer be an issue.

So either way, I see him as the more likely returnee than Diaw.

I don't see Diaw returning regardless. I think it's more likely he retires.

[TheDoctor]

I don't see Diaw returning regardless. I think it's more likely he retires.

For the sport's sake.

[BillMc]

Diaw stopped giving a shit about baskeball after '14, tbh.
Yep. He got his ring and contract and was done. Not a surprise motivation has always been an issue with Boris.

That said, he was awesome in the playoffs in 14 and I'll always remember him well for that.

[TheGreatYacht]

LMFAO people want Shitter and Diaw back? You can tell who does and doesn't watch basketball tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

He was having a better second half of the season than first from what I saw. He brings a bit to the table what the Spurs need (dribble penetration, driving and kicking, efficient/skilled post game); his main issue was that Pop continuously tried to play him alongside another undersized big in DWorst.
Post all star break:
3.6ppg, 2.1rpg, 2.2apg, 40.7TS%, 94 ORtg, 112 DRtg

[apalisoc_9]

Post all star break:
3.6ppg, 2.1rpg, 2.2apg, 40.7TS%, 94 ORtg, 112 DRtg

:lol

Diaw is awful

[Benoit]

DAVID WEST TOOK A SHIT ON DAVID LEE AND THE SPURS LMFAO

[kobyz]

david west wasn't the problem last year it was kawhi chocking when supposed to be the man...