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RandomGuy
10-26-2016, 07:00 PM
The popularity of the GOP front-runner can be explained by the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
By David Dunning
May 25, 2016


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Many commentators have argued that Donald Trump’s dominance in the GOP presidential race can be largely explained by ignorance; his candidacy, after all, is most popular among Republican voters without college degrees. Their expertise about current affairs is too fractured and full of holes to spot that only 9 percent of Trump’s statements are “true” or “mostly” true, according to PolitiFact, whereas 57 percent are “false” or “mostly false”—the remainder being “pants on fire” untruths. Trump himself has memorably declared: “I love the poorly educated.”
But as a psychologist who has studied human behavior—including voter behavior—for decades, I think there is something deeper going on. The problem isn’t that voters are too uninformed. It is that they don’t know just how uninformed they are.

Psychological research suggests that people, in general, suffer from what has become known as the Dunning-Kruger Effect. They have little insight about the cracks and holes in their expertise. In studies in my research lab, people with severe gaps in knowledge and expertise typically fail to recognize how little they know and how badly they perform. To sum it up, the knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task—and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at that task. This includes political judgment.
We have found this pattern in logical reasoning, grammar, emotional intelligence, financial literacy, numeracy, firearm care and safety, debate skill, and college coursework. Others have found a similar lack of insight among poor chess players, unskilled medical lab technicians, medical students unsuccessfully completing an obstetrics/gynecology rotation, and people failing a test on performing CPR.

This syndrome may well be the key to the Trump voter—and perhaps even to the man himself. Trump has served up numerous illustrative examples of the effect as he continues his confident audition to be leader of the free world even as he seems to lack crucial information about the job. In a December debate he appeared ignorant of what the nuclear triad is. Elsewhere, he has mused that Japan and South Korea should develop their own nuclear weapons—casually reversing decades of U.S. foreign policy.

Many commentators have pointed to these confident missteps as products of Trump’s alleged narcissism and egotism. My take would be that it's the other way around. Not seeing the mistakes for what they are allows any potential narcissism and egotism to expand unchecked.

In voters, lack of expertise would be lamentable but perhaps not so worrisome if people had some sense of how imperfect their civic knowledge is. If they did, they could repair it. But the Dunning-Kruger Effect suggests something different. It suggests that some voters, especially those facing significant distress in their life, might like some of what they hear from Trump, but they do not know enough to hold him accountable for the serious gaffes he makes. They fail to recognize those gaffes as missteps.

Here is more evidence. In a telling series of experiments, Paul Fernbach and colleagues asked political partisans to rate their understanding of various social policies, such as imposing sanctions on Iran, instituting a flat tax, or establishing a single-payer health system.

Survey takers expressed a good deal of confidence about their expertise. Or rather, they did until researchers put that understanding to the test by asking them to describe in detail the mechanics of two of the policies under question. This challenge led survey takers to realize that their understanding was mostly an illusion. It also led them to moderate their stances about those policies and to donate less money, earned in the experiment, to like-minded political advocacy groups.

Again, the key to the Dunning-Kruger Effect is not that unknowledgeable voters are uninformed; it is that they are often misinformed—their heads filled with false data, facts and theories that can lead to misguided conclusions held with tenacious confidence and extreme partisanship, perhaps some that make them nod in agreement with Trump at his rallies.
Trump himself also exemplifies this exact pattern, showing how the Dunning-Kruger Effect can lead to what seems an indomitable sense of certainty. All it takes is not knowing the point at which the proper application of a sensible idea turns into malpractice.

For example, in a CNBC interview, Trump suggested that the U.S. government debt could easily be reduced by asking federal bondholders to “take a haircut,” agreeing to receive a little less than the bond’s full face value if the U.S. economy ran into trouble. In a sense, this is a sensible idea commonly applied—at least in business, where companies commonly renegotiate the terms of their debt.
But stretching it to governmental finance strains reason beyond acceptability. And in his suggestion, Trump illustrated not knowing the horror show of consequences his seemingly modest proposal would produce. For the U.S. government, his suggestion would produce no less than an unprecedented earthquake in world finance. It would represent the de facto default of the U.S. on its debt—and the U.S. government has paid its debt in full since the time of Alexander Hamilton. The certainty and safety imbued in U.S. Treasury bonds is the bedrock upon which much of world finance rests.
Even suggesting that these bonds pay back less than 100 percent would be cause for future buyers to demand higher interest rates, thus costing the U.S. government, and taxpayer, untold millions of dollars, and risking the health of the American economy.

This misinformation problem can live in voters, too, as shown in a 2015 survey about the proposed Common Core standards for education. A full 41 percent claimed the new standards would prompt more frequent testing within California schools. That was untrue. Only 18 percent accurately stated that the level of testing would stay the same. Further, 35 percent mistakenly asserted that the standards went beyond math and English instruction. Only 28 percent correctly reported that the standards were constrained to those two topics. And 34 percent falsely claimed that the federal government would require California to adopt the Common Core. Only 21 percent accurately understood this was not so.
But what is more interesting—and troubling—were the responses of survey takers who claimed they knew “a lot” about the new standards. What these “informed” citizens “knew” trended toward the false rather than the true. For example, 52 percent thought the standards applied beyond math and English (versus 32 percent who got it right). And 57 percent believed the standards mandated more testing (versus 31 percent who correctly understood that it did not). These misconceptions mattered: To the extent that survey takers endorsed these misconceptions, they opposed the Common Core.

My research colleagues and I have found similar evidence that voters who think they are informed may be carrying a good deal of misinformation in their heads. In an unpublished study, we surveyed people the day after the 2014 midterm elections, asking them whether they had voted. Our key question was who was most likely to have voted: informed, uninformed, or misinformed citizens.
We found that voting was strongly tied to one thing—whether those who took the survey thought of themselves as “well-informed” citizens. But perceiving oneself as informed was not necessarily tied to, um, being well-informed.

To be sure, well-informed voters accurately endorsed true statements about economic and social conditions in the U.S.—just as long as those statements agreed with their politics. Conservatives truthfully claimed that the U.S. poverty rate had gone up during the Obama administration; liberals rightfully asserted that the unemployment rate had dropped.
But both groups also endorsed falsehoods agreeable to their politics. Thus, all told, it was the political lean of the fact that mattered much more than its truth-value in determining whether respondents believed it. And endorsing partisan facts both true and false led to perceptions that one was an informed citizen, and then to a greater likelihood of voting.
Given all this misinformation, confidently held, it is no wonder that Trump causes no outrage or scandal among those voters who find his views congenial.
But why now? If voters can be so misinformed that they don’t know that they are misinformed, why only now has a candidate like Trump arisen? My take is that the conditions for the Trump phenomenon have been in place for a long time. At least as long as quantitative survey data have been collected, citizens have shown themselves to be relatively ill-informed and incoherent on political and historical matters. As way back as 1943, a survey revealed that only 25 percent of college freshmen knew that Abraham Lincoln was president during the Civil War.
All it took was a candidate to come along too inexperienced to avoid making policy gaffes, at least gaffes that violate received wisdom, with voters too uninformed to see the violations. Usually, those candidates make their mistakes off in some youthful election to their state legislature, or in small-town mayoral race or contest for class president. It’s not a surprise that someone trying out a brand new career at the presidential level would make gaffes that voters, in a rebellious mood, would forgive but more likely not even see.
To be sure, well-informed voters accurately endorsed true statements about economic and social conditions in the U.S.—just as long as those statements agreed with their politics. Conservatives truthfully claimed that the U.S. poverty rate had gone up during the Obama administration; liberals rightfully asserted that the unemployment rate had dropped.
But both groups also endorsed falsehoods agreeable to their politics. Thus, all told, it was the political lean of the fact that mattered much more than its truth-value in determining whether respondents believed it. And endorsing partisan facts both true and false led to perceptions that one was an informed citizen, and then to a greater likelihood of voting.
Given all this misinformation, confidently held, it is no wonder that Trump causes no outrage or scandal among those voters who find his views congenial.
But why now? If voters can be so misinformed that they don’t know that they are misinformed, why only now has a candidate like Trump arisen? My take is that the conditions for the Trump phenomenon have been in place for a long time. At least as long as quantitative survey data have been collected, citizens have shown themselves to be relatively ill-informed and incoherent on political and historical matters. As way back as 1943, a survey revealed that only 25 percent of college freshmen knew that Abraham Lincoln was president during the Civil War.
All it took was a candidate to come along too inexperienced to avoid making policy gaffes, at least gaffes that violate received wisdom, with voters too uninformed to see the violations. Usually, those candidates make their mistakes off in some youthful election to their state legislature, or in small-town mayoral race or contest for class president. It’s not a surprise that someone trying out a brand new career at the presidential level would make gaffes that voters, in a rebellious mood, would forgive but more likely not even see.

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spurraider21
10-26-2016, 07:54 PM
already posted. was dumb then too

FuzzyLumpkins
10-26-2016, 08:31 PM
already posted. was dumb then too

Board conservatives have been a group of collective pussies ever since ducks stopped his "Trump is winning" campaign.

spurraider21
10-26-2016, 08:42 PM
am i one of the board conservatives, just to be clear?

DarrinS
10-26-2016, 09:12 PM
What psychological quirk explains those of us that hate both candidates?

spurraider21
10-26-2016, 09:15 PM
What psychological quirk explains those of us that hate both candidates?
sexism + white guilt

Winehole23
10-26-2016, 09:51 PM
eh, I don't think it's because people are dummies

people know what they want. 30-40% of Americans want to be led by a cruel, hypermasculine authoritarian. they want a powerful man to ridicule and crush foreigners, non-christians, ideological deviants and anyone else defined as being other than a "real American."

it's the open appeal to sadism that thrills.

DarrinS
10-26-2016, 10:25 PM
sexism + white guilt

Got it -- thanks.

DarrinS
10-26-2016, 10:29 PM
eh, I don't think it's because people are dummies

people know what they want. 30-40% of Americans want to be led by a cruel, hypermasculine authoritarian. they want a powerful man to ridicule and crush foreigners, non-christians, ideological deviants and anyone else defined as being other than a "real American."

it's the open appeal to sadism that thrills.

That post belongs in a cartoon bubble. I especially liked the use of hypermasculine.

DarrinS
10-26-2016, 10:32 PM
Oh, by the way RG

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263949

Wild Cobra
10-26-2016, 10:52 PM
Trump is not the typical candidate.

People are tired of the status quo.

Nuff said.

FuzzyLumpkins
10-26-2016, 10:53 PM
am i one of the board conservatives, just to be clear?

By what you claim? No.
By what you support and argue against? Yes.

Actions speak louder than words.

FuzzyLumpkins
10-26-2016, 10:54 PM
Trump is not the typical candidate.

People are tired of the status quo.

Nuff said.

And the DK king chimes in.

Winehole23
10-26-2016, 10:57 PM
Vermin Supreme is not the typical candidate.

People are tired of the status quo.

Nuff said.

Winehole23
10-26-2016, 10:58 PM
http://static.deathandtaxesmag.com/uploads/2015/11/vermin-supreme.jpg

spurraider21
10-26-2016, 11:10 PM
By what you claim? No.
By what you support and argue against? Yes.

Actions speak louder than words.
what do i support and argue against that leads you to believe i am "one of the board conservatives"

FuzzyLumpkins
10-26-2016, 11:12 PM
what do i support and argue against that leads you to believe i am "one of the board conservatives"

You are big into misogyny, white nationalism, and the police state for example.

TheSanityAnnex
10-26-2016, 11:21 PM
You are big into misogyny, white nationalism, and the police state for example.
fuckin pepe

spurraider21
10-26-2016, 11:28 PM
You are big into misogyny, white nationalism, and the police state for example.
:lmao holy shit... you might be confusing me with one of those guys you refused to name from that other forum

FuzzyLumpkins
10-26-2016, 11:33 PM
:lmao holy shit... you might be confusing me with one of those guys you refused to name from that other forum

No I am referring to the same guy that claims to be a law student and after supporting prosecutors and the police against minorities reflexively in thread after thread says that he intends to be a defense attorney after people tell him that he should go into criminal prosecution.

I also know that I am not the only person that has discussed this with you. You are big on double speak. You can claim whatever you like but actions will always speak louder than your assertions.

DarrinS
10-26-2016, 11:38 PM
You are big into misogyny, white nationalism, and the police state for example.

I like when you claim to know what others think or "are into". Lol

vy65
10-26-2016, 11:42 PM
Armenian white nationalist? That's a first

spurraider21
10-26-2016, 11:45 PM
No I am referring to the same guy that claims to be a law student and after supporting prosecutors and the police against minorities reflexively in thread after thread says that he intends to be a defense attorney after people tell him that he should go into criminal prosecution.

I also know that I am not the only person that has discussed this with you. You are big on double speak. You can claim whatever you like but actions will always speak louder than your assertions.
except there have been numerous cases where i have said the cop was in the wrong and should be prosecuted. i will admit that i don't always jump to the immediate conclusion that the cop should be found guilty of murder for every single case that we've come across. it's irrelevant whether the victim was white or a minority. my position on the matter is similar to that of sam harris. if that alone makes me a white nationalist in your own reality, then lol

also, why the fuck is it relevant that other posters tell me what career path i should take? other posters (aka thpusher) have told me to be a prosecutor and therefore i'm a white nationalist (lol) who supports the police state (lol)?

TheSanityAnnex
10-26-2016, 11:49 PM
the nihilistic sophomoric alt right mouth breathing Russian mega machismo troll brigade is here

FuzzyLumpkins
10-26-2016, 11:54 PM
except there have been numerous cases where i have said the cop was in the wrong and should be prosecuted. i will admit that i don't always jump to the immediate conclusion that the cop should be found guilty of murder for every single case that we've come across. it's irrelevant whether the victim was white or a minority. my position on the matter is similar to that of sam harris. if that alone makes me a white nationalist in your own reality, then lol

also, why the fuck is it relevant that other posters tell me what career path i should take? other posters (aka thpusher) have told me to be a prosecutor and therefore i'm a white nationalist (lol) who supports the police state (lol)?

Like I said, your declarations in my experience are unreliable. You can make them but they are of little substance to me. One thing I've noticed about you is that when it is obvious, you will make the politically correct statement meanwhile making every argument in support of the police that you can. Double speak as I mentioned before.

At least you have stopped with the intentional obtuseness. People say that because they see the same thing I do. It is what it is.

FuzzyLumpkins
10-26-2016, 11:55 PM
Armenian white nationalist? That's a first

Not really. You must not know many Armenians or Assyrians.

vy65
10-26-2016, 11:58 PM
:lmao

spurraider21
10-27-2016, 12:00 AM
Like I said, your declarations in my experience are unreliable. You can make them but they are of little substance to me. One thing I've noticed about you is that when it is obvious, you will make the politically correct statement meanwhile making every argument in support of the police that you can. Double speak as I mentioned before.

At least you have stopped with the intentional obtuseness. People say that because they see the same thing I do. It is what it is.so your position is i've always defended cops because you say so. cool. like i said, you (like donald) live in your own reality. speaking of psychological quirks :lol...

FuzzyLumpkins
10-27-2016, 12:19 AM
so your position is i've always defended cops because you say so. cool. like i said, you (like donald) live in your own reality. speaking of psychological quirks :lol...

That is not what I said. I do not find it surprising that you would characterize what I said as so. You are one who is wont to avoid the truth. You are definitely interested in keeping up appearances.

spurraider21
10-27-2016, 12:25 AM
That is not what I said. I do not find it surprising that you would characterize what I said as so. You are one who is wont to avoid the truth. You are definitely interested in keeping up appearances.Meh. If you want to believe in your head that I'm a cop-loving, woman-hating white supremacist, you can go ahead and do so, but I'm only doing what I can to set the record straight. If you choose to disregard it and stick with your false belief, fine, i won't fight it. Similarly, you have nuts who deny climate change. Even when presented with evidence to the contrary, they go on believing it. At that point, there's nothing left to do, but I'm not going to fight it.

Xevious
10-27-2016, 02:06 AM
Trump is not the typical candidate.

People are tired of the status quo.

Nuff said.
Trump may not be a typical candidate, but his proposals are standard republican talking points: trickle-down economics, stronger military, tougher on immigration, abolition of Roe v Wade, etc.

If people were really tired of the status quo, they'd vote one of the third party wack jobs in.