Will Tony Parker finish this season as the starting PG?

[MaNu4Tres]

Just 3 1/2 years ago.. this guy was a MVP candidate.

Now he's not even a top 50 PG.. ranking 59 in PER for PGs so far this year.

And this guy wants to play for the Spurs til he's 40? Parker might be the worst PG on the entire roster at 34 years old tbh..

So I ask the question, will he finish the season as the starting PG?

[dabom]

Nah. Patty too good.

[bklynspursfan]

Yes he will. He's been slow out of the gates the last 4-5 years it seems, this year is no different. He'll improve, and once Green gets back and the spacing improves, he can do more corner 3 shooting with Kawhi handling the rock more

[jermaine]

He's just struggling to find his place on in the team. Plus we need Patty coming off the bench with the 2nd unit. The 2nd unit I feel is why we an will continue to win gms..

[bklynspursfan]

And way too early to start using PER. Isaiah Canaan and JJ Barea are both above Steph Curry.

Give it a couple months, numbers are just not going to reflect much this early imo

[bd_monster]

I can understand losing that burst to get to the paint. But his jump shot has zero lift and falls flat. Can't be the interior scorer he once was, Can't be the efficient mid range guy he once was. Never was an assist guy...Not the leader of the team....what exactly is here starting for?

[Brazil]

Hopefully for the Spurs and him... no

[bklynspursfan]

He's just struggling to find his place on in the team. Plus we need Patty coming off the bench with the 2nd unit. The 2nd unit I feel is why we an will continue to win gms..

Yea, Patty off the bench with that group is a great fit. With him Manu/Dedmon/Lee/Simmons (?) , that group is feisty, hustles, and is very scrappy . It's nice having a change of pace between the 2 units.

I really think once the spacing improves, Parker will do better. He can stand in the corner more, and he'll have more driving lanes. He's not hurting the team that much either. His shot is off, but he's getting good looks. Which again goes to what I said, he's a notorious slow starter to the season.

[100%duncan]

Hopefully for the Spurs and him... no

Didn't recognize you with that avatar

[TheGreatYacht]

Does OP still want to blow it all up? :lol

[Brazil]

Didn't recognize you with that avatar

sup bra

to be fair I did not post for more than a week, was travelling in Paris with a lot of meetings :lol

I could only watch one game and this was yesterday... dat Kawhi evolution... holy fuck

[100%duncan]

sup bra

to be fair I did not post for more than a week, was travelling in Paris with a lot of meetings :lol

I could only watch one game and this was yesterday... dat Kawhi evolution... holy fuck

Watch all games man, pretty epic stretches during crunch time moments. And of course that warriors rape.

[pgardn]

If he does I fear we it will not be in the finals unless KL goes close to full Jordan. Or the rest of the West has significant injuries.

[timtonymanu]

Yes he will. He's been slow out of the gates the last 4-5 years it seems, this year is no different. He'll improve, and once Green gets back and the spacing improves, he can do more corner 3 shooting with Kawhi handling the rock more

He was actually better to start the season the last couple of years. Hence the November Parker shtick.

I've hated on Parker the last couple of seasons but it's sad to see how much he's declined. I agree with you though that he will start all year. Bigger question is does the FO forget about loyalty and look to dump him in the offseason if he really is done.

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs continue to win with TP starting, I don't see Pop making changes. Especially if the bench unit is clicking at the same time.

[100%duncan]

If the Spurs continue to win with TP starting, I don't see Pop making changes. Especially if the bench unit is clicking at the same time.

This and his style of play just sucks more in the bench :lol

[MAxEric]

TP is just a useless worm
even I can contribute more than him

[100%duncan]

TP is just a useless worm
even I can contribute more than him

Those threads are golden man. Keep it up

[Brazil]

Watch all games man, pretty epic stretches during crunch time moments. And of course that warriors rape.

I recorded the warriors game, will watch this week for sure

[100%duncan]

I recorded the warriors game, will watch this week for sure

have fun bro

[RD2191]

The Spurs won't get far in the playoffs with Parker starting at PG. That's a fact.

[spursistan]

I think he will if we keep "winning" (55-60 range) in spite of his vomit-inducing play. But this year he is going to have the best seats in the building for last 5 minutes of every close game. (he did for the last 10 of Heat's game :lol)

a ridiculous fall-off, probably even worse than Iverson's at this point..

[bklynspursfan]

He was actually better to start the season the last couple of years. Hence the November Parker shtick.

I've hated on Parker the last couple of seasons but it's sad to see how much he's declined. I agree with you though that he will start all year. Bigger question is does the FO forget about loyalty and look to dump him in the offseason if he really is done.

Maybe all the Olympic stuff is catching up to him. I remember when he took the summer off, he came back looking a bit more spry. So having played in the summer this last summer could be a factor into his sluggish start. It happened with Manu too, whenever they took the summer off it was very noticable.

I just say give him 2-3 months , and allow Pop to rest him some more. The biggest thing is his shot isn't dropping, even his tear drop is off. That seems to me like he hasn't gotten his legs under him, which is very common for vets this early.

I don't see the FO dumping him either. His minutes will just decrease I'm guessing. The Spurs have always been loyal and dedicated. Unless TP suggests it, I don't see it happening

[Russo21]

Been busy with work so far this season. Has Tony been as bad as his stats tell me?
5ppg, 3apg, 26%FG, 3.48PER, WOW!
Mills on the other hand
13ppg, 3apg, 51%FG, 59%3PTFG, 25.8PER
It's only been 4 games but what the hell?

[Chinook]

At least he's on a reasonable extension.

[TheDoctor]

:pop: - "Is that a question? Get over yourself"

As long we are winning with Plumper starting I don't see Pop benching his fatass.

I mean, Paddy could be an offensive upgrade and Leprosy is too green for starting. Besides Tony would instantly weaken our bench.

So yes, starting MVPlumper is the right move for now. We are 4-0 anyway.

[313]

He'll continue to "start" but play limited minutes (averaging 20ish mpg this year so far). Party's been closing games too right?

[PublicOption]

Is Tony really a point guard? A team with smart players dont need a point guard.

[cd98]

Lots of hate for Parker, but he's toned down his game. Pop prefers Patty with the second unit and Parker is still a better ball handler and while he doesn't have the same speed to get to the rim, I think he still puts more pressure on a defense than Patty in terms of penetration. Patty has made strides, but he's not a PG. If Parker is healthy, he will continue to start, but I could see him sitting a lot of games this year as a DNP and I think that little Argentina dude will log lots of starts with Patty sucking up the important minutes.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

It doesn't matter how you start the race. It matters how you finish. Pop has clearly shown will be going with Patty down the stretch. At this point, that is all I need to know for this year.

I wouldn't be Surprise if Parker is traded in the offseason to a team trying to meet the Salary Cap minimum for 2017. I can definitely see a team like Philly trading for Parker next year as they will be riddle with young players and no true vets. Supposedly there were talks this summer to trade Parker in the Spurs pursuit of Durant.

It would be great if the Spurs could dump him on draft night for a 2nd round pick from Philly. Being it will probably be a high 2nd, it will give the Spurs some leverage to move 5+ spots up in the 1st round if there is a player they really want. Plus it will free up cap space for the Spurs to pursue another major piece or just resign guys like Dedmon, Simmons, etc back to the roster.

Thing about Manu and Tim, they never experience the drop off Tony has the past two seasons. The only team I can see right now trading for Tony would be Philly mostly because they will need to sign 45mil+ in salary just to meet the league minimum next year and Noels being their only major FA and more than likely will be traded as well with the clog up front.

Wishful thinking at best, but still plausible.

[MultiTroll]

:pop: he is the new Bonner n Pop relationship. Or who knows, maybe he has been involved with Pop n Bonner since 2014.
Will continue to start thru season and playoffs. :depressed

[PublicOption]

Fuck Durant.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's a <5% chance that Pop would bench Parker, barring injury, tbh..it's something I accepted years ago..

[lefty]

.. this guy was a MVP candidate.

http://www.picgifs.com/movies-and-series/movies/x-men-wolverine/picgifs-x-men-wolverine-1065513.gif

[Poolboy5623]

For the Spurs and their fans, I hope the answer is NO. He's on a steady decline, at this point. Its only going to get worse.

[Spurtacular]

Barring injury, yes. And if Pop makes a move, it won't be 'til the last 10-15 games of the season.

[itzsoweezee]

Pop is already keeping Tony on the bench to close out some gam. Tony is averaging less than 25 mpg, so even pop can see what everyone else does.

[benefactor]

There's a <5% chance that Pop would bench Parker, barring injury, tbh..it's something I accepted years ago..

[SASdynasty!]

And way too early to start using PER. Isaiah Canaan and JJ Barea are both above Steph Curry.

Give it a couple months, numbers are just not going to reflect much this early imo
Hahahahahaha these guys and their use of advanced stats. Cracks me up every time.

[SASdynasty!]

I can understand losing that burst to get to the paint. But his jump shot has zero lift and falls flat. Can't be the interior scorer he once was, Can't be the efficient mid range guy he once was. Never was an assist guy...Not the leader of the team....what exactly is here starting for?
Hahaha what?! He's led this team in assists for 15 years in a row! "Never was an assist guy"?! Hahaha how many players have done that in the history of the NBA?

[SASdynasty!]

The Spurs won't get far in the playoffs with Parker starting at PG. That's a fact.
To be statistically accurate, the Spurs won't get far in the playoffs if Parker doesn't lead them in scoring. Ever since he took a back seat in 2015, Spurs haven't made a deep playoff run.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Parker will never get traded, unless it is Bruce Bowen style where he plans on announcing his retirement immediately after.


If Parker is still a starter for the Spurs by season's end they'll be in serious trouble. Spurs absolutely need to minimize the amount of minutes dead weight players are getting (Parker, Kyle) to make a serious run this year.

[SASdynasty!]

Lots of hate for Parker, but he's toned down his game. Pop prefers Patty with the second unit and Parker is still a better ball handler and while he doesn't have the same speed to get to the rim, I think he still puts more pressure on a defense than Patty in terms of penetration. Patty has made strides, but he's not a PG. If Parker is healthy, he will continue to start, but I could see him sitting a lot of games this year as a DNP and I think that little Argentina dude will log lots of starts with Patty sucking up the important minutes.
Man it takes a lot of digging on ST these days to find a reasonable post or anything that in any way resembles the wisdom of the front office. If we had a ST front office, we'd be the Clippers. Meaning we would favor stat-padding advanced statistic 'gods' like Chris Paul over PGs that can adjust and continue winning at every stage of their career.

[SASdynasty!]

It doesn't matter how you start the race. It matters how you finish. Pop has clearly shown will be going with Patty down the stretch. At this point, that is all I need to know for this year.

I wouldn't be Surprise if Parker is traded in the offseason to a team trying to meet the Salary Cap minimum for 2017. I can definitely see a team like Philly trading for Parker next year as they will be riddle with young players and no true vets. Supposedly there were talks this summer to trade Parker in the Spurs pursuit of Durant.

It would be great if the Spurs could dump him on draft night for a 2nd round pick from Philly. Being it will probably be a high 2nd, it will give the Spurs some leverage to move 5+ spots up in the 1st round if there is a player they really want. Plus it will free up cap space for the Spurs to pursue another major piece or just resign guys like Dedmon, Simmons, etc back to the roster.

Thing about Manu and Tim, they never experience the drop off Tony has the past two seasons. The only team I can see right now trading for Tony would be Philly mostly because they will need to sign 45mil+ in salary just to meet the league minimum next year and Noels being their only major FA and more than likely will be traded as well with the clog up front.

Wishful thinking at best, but still plausible.
Trade away your franchise players once they start declining. You should go work for the Phoenix front office...or maybe Philadelphia.

[SASdynasty!]

http://www.picgifs.com/movies-and-series/movies/x-men-wolverine/picgifs-x-men-wolverine-1065513.gif
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2012/5/1/2991170/NBA-MVP-tony-parker

[BillMc]

Fuck Durant.

I believe there is a song about that. :lol

[Joseph Kony]

If Pop has any fucking brains, he won't. but somehow I have the feeling his role/position in the SL and minutes won't change

[Chinook]

Parker will never get traded, unless it is Bruce Bowen style where he plans on announcing his retirement immediately after.

"Bowen style" became the style after the Spurs traded him. Dude wasn't planning on retiring until he saw he wasn't wanted anymore.

[lefty]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2012/5/1/2991170/NBA-MVP-tony-parker

:lol poundingther:lolck

[PopTheGOAT]

Where tf did this dude's jumper go? It left him with his legs. Why? Manu and Tim improved their J's after they lost a step or two ..or three. I just can't figure out why he's broke af now

[Amuseddaysleeper]

"Bowen style" became the style after the Spurs traded him. Dude wasn't planning on retiring until he saw he wasn't wanted anymore.

Oh, I know, I'm not crazy about how it went down.

[ElNono]

I think so. If we're being frank here, the SL is the best place to hide him defensively, surrounded by Danny and Kawhi...

[Silver&Black]

I think so. If we're being frank here, the SL is the best place to hide him defensively, surrounded by Danny and Kawhi...

Exactly. Why do people want MVPatty to start and thus make our bench weaker?

TP is fine right where he's at. Give Mills more minutes and have him close out games (like he has been doing this year), but don't start him. Leave him right where he's at.

[Ice009]

Trade away your franchise players once they start declining. You should go work for the Phoenix front office...or maybe Philadelphia.

He's nowhere near Tim and Manu as far as franchise type of players go in their primes. Those two are franchise icons, yet they may have even let Manu walk if they couldn't afford it the past few seasons.

[gambit1990]

he doesn't fit on this team.

our last hope:

i'm hoping parker's role will get limited, he begins to feel marginalized... then asks for a trade.

[024]

Hopefully once Green comes back, there will only be one useless player in the starting lineup. Although I shouldn't be bashing Anderson, at least he can play some D against the right players and grab rebounds.

Parker's minutes are already dwindling in favor of Patty. Patty should absolutely be closing games too.

Parker won't be benched simply due to loyalty. He'll get the start but hopefully it's a quick substitution of Patty or Manu into the lineup. Parker should be getting no more than 20 minutes a game.

[mkurts]

Parker needs more rest, should not play more than 15 mins a game

[DeRozan m8]

To be statistically accurate, the Spurs won't get far in the playoffs if Parker doesn't lead them in scoring. Ever since he took a back seat in 2015, Spurs haven't made a deep playoff run.

Yeah, because Kawhi hasn't gotten any better and we don't have Aldridge, plus a bunch of solid pieces around everyone at the moment.

Move on, if we rely on Parker to be our top scorer we are fucked tbh

[eric365]

He should retire at the end of the season

I understood he hasn't retired before because he really wanted to play in the 16' olympics
But now it's passed and he doesn't the money remaining on his contract

The only motivation he could have left is adding rings and number of seasons but I don't think it's worth anything when you declined so bad.

[SupremeGuy]

Yeah, because Kawhi hasn't gotten any better and we don't have Aldridge, plus a bunch of solid pieces around everyone at the moment.

Move on, if we rely on Parker to be our top scorer we are fucked tbhlol @ responding seriously to that faggot

[kaji157]

To be statistically accurate, the Spurs won't get far in the playoffs if Parker doesn't lead them in scoring. Ever since he took a back seat in 2015, Spurs haven't made a deep playoff run.

Tecnically, since you think "leading in scoring" is the same as being "the best player" he has taken the back seat earlier than you think, the OKC series before the 2014 championship was won with him as the 4th scoring option.



Tota Shoo Per
Rk Player Age G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK
1 Tim Duncan 37 6 6 181 40 83 0 1 27 31 19 42 61 13 2 5 7 12 107 .482 .000 .871 30.2 17.8 10.2 2.2 0.3 0.8
2 Manu Ginobili 36 6 0 137 30 60 15 30 16 17 5 11 16 22 9 0 6 19 91 .500 .500 .941 22.9 15.2 2.7 3.7 1.5 0.0
3 Boris Diaw 31 6 0 160 27 55 8 19 17 24 8 23 31 18 4 1 11 9 79 .491 .421 .708 26.7 13.2 5.2 3.0 0.7 0.2
4 Tony Parker 31 6 6 167 36 73 2 7 5 7 1 12 13 29 4 1 16 6 79 .493 .286 .714 27.8 13.2 2.2 4.8 0.7 0.2
5 Danny Green 26 6 6 157 25 55 20 37 3 3 5 14 19 6 12 4 6 14 73 .455 .541 1.000 26.2 12.2 3.2 1.0 2.0 0.7
6 Kawhi Leonard 22 6 6 188 28 68 5 19 10 11 9 24 33 15 9 3 7 15 71 .412 .263 .909 31.3 11.8 5.5 2.5 1.5 0.5
7 Tiago Splitter 29 6 4 102 9 15 0 0 15 21 9 22 31 7 0 6 4 7 33 .600 .714 17.0 5.5 5.2 1.2 0.0 1.0
8 Cory Joseph 22 6 0 49 12 20 0 2 8 9 1 4 5 6 2 0 3 6 32 .600 .000 .889 8.2 5.3 0.8 1.0 0.3 0.0
9 Marco Belinelli 27 6 0 97 10 25 2 8 9 9 2 15 17 7 0 0 7 6 31 .400 .250 1.000 16.2 5.2 2.8 1.2 0.0 0.0
10 Patrick Mills 25 6 0 87 8 26 5 19 0 0 2 9 11 9 4 0 2 10 21 .308 .263 14.4 3.5 1.8 1.5 0.7 0.0
11 Matt Bonner 33 6 2 62 5 16 4 12 0 0 1 8 9 5 0 1 1 7 14 .313 .333 10.4 2.3 1.5 0.8 0.0 0.2
12 Aron Baynes 27 5 0 47 4 11 0 0 5 6 3 7 10 0 1 0 6 6 13 .364 .833 9.4 2.6 2.0 0.0 0.2 0.0
13 Jeff Ayres 26 5 0 31 3 6 0 0 2 4 2 9 11 0 0 0 0 3 8 .500 .500 6.1 1.6 2.2 0.0 0.0 0.0
Team Totals 6 1465 237 513 61 154 117 142 67 200 267 137 47 21 76 120 652 .462 .396 .824 244.2 108.7 44.5 22.8 7.8 3.5


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Also against Miami he was the "best player" always by your own standard because he scored 0.2 points more than Kawhi, yet he did by, playing more minutes than all of our top 3 players (Tim, Kawhi and Manu), shooting worse than all of them.



Tota Shoo Per
Rk Player Age G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK
1 Tony Parker 31 5 5 176 35 73 5 12 15 20 0 2 2 23 4 0 10 9 90 .479 .417 .750 35.2 18.0 0.4 4.6 0.8 0.0
2 Kawhi Leonard 22 5 5 167 30 49 11 19 18 23 8 24 32 10 8 6 9 22 89 .612 .579 .783 33.4 17.8 6.4 2.0 1.6 1.2
3 Tim Duncan 37 5 5 165 29 51 0 1 19 28 13 37 50 10 2 4 12 12 77 .569 .000 .679 33.1 15.4 10.0 2.0 0.4 0.8
4 Manu Ginobili 36 5 0 143 24 48 10 24 14 16 0 15 15 22 5 1 12 16 72 .500 .417 .875 28.7 14.4 3.0 4.4 1.0 0.2
5 Patrick Mills 25 5 0 76 19 35 13 23 0 0 1 6 7 8 2 0 1 5 51 .543 .565 15.2 10.2 1.4 1.6 0.4 0.0
6 Danny Green 26 5 5 106 17 32 9 20 3 4 2 8 10 6 10 2 6 14 46 .531 .450 .750 21.1 9.2 2.0 1.2 2.0 0.4
7 Boris Diaw 31 5 3 176 12 33 3 9 4 8 9 34 43 29 4 1 8 5 31 .364 .333 .500 35.2 6.2 8.6 5.8 0.8 0.2
8 Tiago Splitter 29 5 2 84 12 17 0 0 7 9 3 14 17 10 3 3 6 9 31 .706 .778 16.8 6.2 3.4 2.0 0.6 0.6
9 Marco Belinelli 27 5 0 59 8 17 4 9 3 4 0 6 6 3 1 0 3 3 23 .471 .444 .750 11.8 4.6 1.2 0.6 0.2 0.0
10 Aron Baynes 27 3 0 6 2 2 0 0 2 2 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 6 1.000 1.000 2.1 2.0 0.7 0.0 0.0 0.0
11 Jeff Ayres 26 3 0 7 1 1 0 0 3 4 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 1 5 1.000 .750 2.2 1.7 0.7 0.3 0.0 0.0
12 Matt Bonner 33 4 0 27 1 1 0 0 3 4 0 3 3 5 1 0 0 2 5 1.000 .750 6.7 1.3 0.8 1.3 0.3 0.0
13 Cory Joseph 22 3 0 8 1 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 .333 .000 2.5 0.7 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Team Totals 5 1200 191 362 55 118 91 122 39 150 189 127 40 17 67 99 528 .528 .466 .746 240.0 105.6 37.8 25.4 8.0 3.4


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Personally i think Tony has not taken a backseat at all after this season, his skills just weren´t there anymore as it was evident during the Olympics and recent FIBA events.
For whatever reason, Tony has not been able to adjust his skills to the modern NBA (Faster and more mobile bigs that cover guards better, and more reliance on 3´s and long 2´s). Which is strange because his basic skillset should have allowed him to.

If Tony had become a defensive minded player, able to secure and distribute the ball, and develop a reliable midrange and 3 off the dribble to work with the high screens then he would be very useful. Because let´s say the truth, one of the main "Patty" moves is to wait for the screanner to get an open 3 off the dribble, and that is something Tony SHOULD have been able to master.

[DJR210]

TP is just a useless worm
even I can contribute more than him

Fuck both of you faggots

[MultiTroll]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2012/5/1/2991170/NBA-MVP-tony-parker
:rollin They should have Vaseline as one of their ad sponsors.

[TheDoctor]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2012/5/1/2991170/NBA-MVP-tony-parker

Tony was a beast in 2012

[Fireball]

On PTR I just read TP has a minor knee injury ... first time I heard that.

[TheDoctor]

The most important thing that he needs to address is to sincerely get over himself. He has shown poor leadership attributes until now. I mean, it's fucking embarrassing for your Coach to have to yell at you to put the ball in another teammate's hands (Kawhi & LMA) when you're supposed to be (along with Manu) one of our veteran leaders :pctoss

[Diego20]

Hahaha what?! He's led this team in assists for 15 years in a row! "Never was an assist guy"?! Hahaha how many players have done that in the history of the NBA?

99% of PGs lead their teams in assists.

The question is: how many players in the history of the NBA led a team for 15 years in a row with such low assists per game?

[SASdynasty!]

:lol poundingther:lolck
I've already posted where he was leading the MVP race over Lebron, just giving you more articles. When you still finish at #6 after getting injured for the end of the year, you know you were in contention.

[SASdynasty!]

He's nowhere near Tim and Manu as far as franchise type of players go in their primes. Those two are franchise icons, yet they may have even let Manu walk if they couldn't afford it the past few seasons.
Lol Manu being more of a Franchise player than Parker. The dude was a bench player who was never even the best player on the team in a playoff run.

[SASdynasty!]

Yeah, because Kawhi hasn't gotten any better and we don't have Aldridge, plus a bunch of solid pieces around everyone at the moment.

Move on, if we rely on Parker to be our top scorer we are fucked tbh
Kawhi keeps getting better every year and yah we have Aldridge...that just didn't do a whole lot for us in the playoffs last year.

[SASdynasty!]

99% of PGs lead their teams in assists.

The question is: how many players in the history of the NBA led a team for 15 years in a row with such low assists per game?
Thanks for not answering the question and proving my point.

[bd_monster]

His a career 6 assist guy... and the past two season hes been a 5 assist guy. Being the leading assist man on the squad for 15 years straight means nothing when you look at his peers in the NBA. The dude didn't even make top 50 in assists last year. He was number 53.

[SASdynasty!]

His a career 6 assist guy... and the past two season hes been a 5 assist guy. Being the leading assist man on the squad for 15 years straight means nothing when you look at his peers in the NBA. The dude didn't even make top 50 in assists last year. He was number 53.
When you're the leading distributor on the greatest passing team of all time, it says something. Still waiting for someone to post a list of players that did it for a team for 15 years in a row.

[TheGreatYacht]

99% of PGs lead their teams in assists.

The question is: how many players in the history of the NBA led a team for 15 years in a row with such low assists per game?
Nice try Argie faggot. These PG's don't

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/56be54c86e97c662008b7125-1200/stephen-curry-is-surprisingly-underpaid-he-signed-a-four-year-44-million-contract-extension-in-2012-and-now-makes-12-million-per-year-he-could-triple-that-when-he-becomes-a-free-agent-in-2017.jpg
https://tomclevelandtest.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/cavs-kyrie-questions.jpg

[jgome21]

Needs to stick to cooking with tony full time tbh.

[SASdynasty!]

Nice try Argie faggot. These PG's don't

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/56be54c86e97c662008b7125-1200/stephen-curry-is-surprisingly-underpaid-he-signed-a-four-year-44-million-contract-extension-in-2012-and-now-makes-12-million-per-year-he-could-triple-that-when-he-becomes-a-free-agent-in-2017.jpg
https://tomclevelandtest.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/cavs-kyrie-questions.jpg
Hahaha hey don't bring stats into this. That doesn't go along with the "Parker is garbage" narrative.

[Diego20]

Nice try Argie faggot. These PG's don't

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/56be54c86e97c662008b7125-1200/stephen-curry-is-surprisingly-underpaid-he-signed-a-four-year-44-million-contract-extension-in-2012-and-now-makes-12-million-per-year-he-could-triple-that-when-he-becomes-a-free-agent-in-2017.jpg
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I said 99%, which means there's 1% left

maths dude

[TD 21]

Yes and he should . . .

- Considering the Spurs have arguably the greatest 6th man ever, Spurs fans should know at least as well as anyone that starting isn't necessarily about being the best on the team at your position.

- Mills would further limit the ball handling/play making in the starting lineup and is and will always be suited to coming off the bench. He also plays well with Ginobili and vice versa.

- Parker would further crunch the spacing with the bench and relegate Ginobili to more of a spot up roll. They'd tow the company line, but both be unhappy.

- Out of expendable pieces, they obviously don't have the goods to put together a package for a starting point guard.


He's looked terrible, no question, but many have wanted him to fully relinquish the reigns in recent years and now he has and many of those same people are still complaining.

[sasaint]

I can understand losing that burst to get to the paint. But his jump shot has zero lift and falls flat. Can't be the interior scorer he once was, Can't be the efficient mid range guy he once was. Never was an assist guy...Not the leader of the team....what exactly is here starting for?

You should post more. I believe this season is a litmus test of the Spurs' values as an organization. Do they value loyalty more than making a good move to maximize the team's chances of winning. If they are serious about winning, they should make every realistic effort to move him before the trade deadline and not wait until next off-season. He has clearly declined a lot in the last. 3-4 seasons. But that is made much worse by his inability to adapt very effectively or play much defense. Clinging to Tony if the team looks like it could compete for a championship would really irritate me this season!

[MaNu4Tres]

Yes and he should . . .

- Considering the Spurs have arguably the greatest 6th man ever, Spurs fans should know at least as well as anyone that starting isn't necessarily about being the best on the team at your position.

- Mills would further limit the ball handling/play making in the starting lineup and is and will always be suited to coming off the bench. He also plays well with Ginobili and vice versa.

- Parker would further crunch the spacing with the bench and relegate Ginobili to more of a spot up roll. They'd tow the company line, but both be unhappy.

- Out of expendable pieces, they obviously don't have the goods to put together a package for a starting point guard.


He's looked terrible, no question, but many have wanted him to fully relinquish the reigns in recent years and now he has and many of those same people are still complaining.


Maybe some of us believe he could get even worse and stay that bad, forcing Pop to think about just keeping him out of the rotation completely. It's early and Tony can obviously turn his game around, but if he doesn't? And if he gets worse? Pop is already pulling him 4 games into the year. There's no way he can keep giving 25 minutes a game to the player we've seen thus far. Hell, there's no way you can play that player 10 minutes, especially if you have championship aspirations.

I'm not hoping this is the case, I hope Tony turns it around for the sake of the team, but he's been pretty damn bad.

I could see a rotation like this, IF his play continues to be this bad consistently for majority of the year:

Gasol
Aldridge
Kawhi
Green
Patty

Dedmon
Lee
Bertans or Anderson
Simmons (defend back up PG)
Manu ( Manu wld defend SG)

[sasaint]

If the Spurs continue to win with TP starting, I don't see Pop making changes. Especially if the bench unit is clicking at the same time.

That's the same ol RS fool's gold.

[DPG21920]

That's the same ol RS fool's gold.

Rolls eyes.

In the past 5 years, SA has: WCF, Finals, Finals, First Round, Second Round. So much fools gold!!!!

[sasaint]

Maybe some of us believe he could get even worse and stay that bad, forcing Pop to think about just keeping him out of the rotation completely. It's early and Tony can obviously turn his game around, but if he doesn't? And if he gets worse? Pop is already pulling him 4 games into the year. There's no way he can keep giving 25 minutes a game to the player we've seen thus far. Hell, there's no way you can play that player 10 minutes, especially if you have championship aspirations.

I'm not hoping this is the case, I hope Tony turns it around for the sake of the team, but he's been pretty damn bad.

I could see a rotation like this, IF his play continues to be this bad consistently for majority of the year:

Gasol
Aldridge
Kawhi
Green
Patty

Dedmon
Lee
Bertans or Anderson
Simmons (defend back up PG)
Manu ( Manu wld defend SG)

Isn't that already very low for Tony - even this early? Maybe I am just hopeful, but the lower minutes and the points in the game,when he is getting pulled make it seem like Pop is definitely sending him a message to either get with the new program or...

[sasaint]

Rolls eyes.

In the past 5 years, SA has: WCF, Finals, Finals, First Round, Second Round. So much fools gold!!!!

And I think many who follow the Spurs would call some of those finishes disappointing - relative to legitimate expectations.

[DPG21920]

:lol I don't think anyone would call that disappointing or fools gold. If so, those Spurs fans would be called spoiled brats.

[Clipper Nation]

If the Spurs want to ring, they need to start MVPatty, make Laprovittola the backup, and demote Porker to the Austin Toros' bench.

[Kawhitstorm]

Maybe some of us believe he could get even worse and stay that bad, forcing Pop to think about just keeping him out of the rotation completely. It's early and Tony can obviously turn his game around, but if he doesn't? And if he gets worse? Pop is already pulling him 4 games into the year. There's no way he can keep giving 25 minutes a game to the player we've seen thus far. Hell, there's no way you can play that player 10 minutes, especially if you have championship aspirations.


The 2015 postseason proved otherwise.:lol

The 2 players he has the best synergy with are in the starting lineup: Softridge/Danny. If he goes to the bench, the spacing would be even more fucked & he would be taking the ball out of Manu's hands. Most likely, Patty is going to close games like he did in 2014 when Porker was shaky.

[J_Paco]

Where tf did this dude's jumper go? It left him with his legs. Why? Manu and Tim improved their J's after they lost a step or two ..or three. I just can't figure out why he's broke af now

Tony has just played too much basketball and it has (over the last three seasons) really undone him as a NBA player. The guy has logged an insane amount of minutes at 34 years old when combining his regular season and postseason (plus Olympic) minutes (42,172). Unless he's pacing himself (which I doubt but isn't inconceivable), then Tony's sobering play could be what we see for the remainder of the season.

We are just watching his natural decline but expedited faster because he has played so much. He really shouldn't start anymore, yet Patty (as good as he's playing) isn't a starting caliber PG either. Just gotta hope and pray that he can at least play to his level of last season, but if not Pop will need to go to Patty and Nicolas more.

[Boomersgold]

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[houston spurs fan]

He's 30 fucking four going on 35. People around here were calling for Timmy's head at the same juncture. This is a 22- 32 year old game and Sadly TP is on the decline....

[DenialTwist]

Yes, he will finish as the starter and the Spurs will probably get eliminated by the Clippers or Warriors in the playoffs because of it. Damnit.

[Obstructed_View]

Looking for the "God, I hope not" option.

[SAGirl]

Looking for the "God, I hope not" option.
I have looked around and I don't see what can be done. I come back to, let's hope he turns it around. Spurs defense in the past held it together in the paint and covered for so many guys. I have missed TD the GOAT.

[RD2191]

Looking for the "God, I hope not" option.

:lol

[SASdynasty!]

I said 99%, which means there's 1% left

maths dude
There would have to be 200 PG's in the league for these guys to only constitute 1%. Maths dude

[SASdynasty!]

Rolls eyes.

In the past 5 years, SA has: WCF, Finals, Finals, First Round, Second Round. So much fools gold!!!!
These people expect a championship every year or massive changes to the roster. Every day I'm on Spurstalk makes me more and more appreciative having intellegent people in the FO.

[RD2191]

Hahahahahaha these guys and their use of advanced stats. Cracks me up every time.

You mean the stats that matter? Lol. Delusional fuck.

[SASdynasty!]

You mean the stats that matter? Lol. Delusional fuck.
Yah they matter so much that they show Boban to be our best player by far last season and playoffs. If that's what you mean by "matter."

[sasaint]

:lol I don't think anyone would call that disappointing or fools gold. If so, those Spurs fans would be called spoiled brats.

You weren't disappointed by last season's end - much less the '15 loss to the Clips? That one was crushing - but it has been hashed and re-hashed too much already.

[TD 21]

Maybe some of us believe he could get even worse and stay that bad, forcing Pop to think about just keeping him out of the rotation completely. It's early and Tony can obviously turn his game around, but if he doesn't? And if he gets worse? Pop is already pulling him 4 games into the year. There's no way he can keep giving 25 minutes a game to the player we've seen thus far. Hell, there's no way you can play that player 10 minutes, especially if you have championship aspirations.

I'm not hoping this is the case, I hope Tony turns it around for the sake of the team, but he's been pretty damn bad.

I could see a rotation like this, IF his play continues to be this bad consistently for majority of the year:

Gasol
Aldridge
Kawhi
Green
Patty

Dedmon
Lee
Bertans or Anderson
Simmons (defend back up PG)
Manu ( Manu wld defend SG)

I don't even know that it's possible that Parker gets worse this season. Either way, Pop is never going to drop him from the rotation, especially considering it's not as if they have a third point guard that's a clear rotation player, like Joseph in '14-'15. Parker's level of play was never going to influence his minutes, for the most part, but rather whether he skews closer towards 25 mpg than 28 mpg and more importantly, how frequently he closes close games.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the rotation you suggest (if this continues), I'm just saying, professional sports are not entirely based on merit; there's politics involved. I think you're conflating what you want to see with that they're actually willing to do.

[tonight...you]

Yah they matter so much that they show Boban to be our best player by far last season and playoffs. If that's what you mean by "matter."
Not when you put things into CONTEXT, you do know what that word means, right?
Maybe not...

[LittleCriminal]

Maybe MVparker is just coasting...

[DPG21920]

You weren't disappointed by last season's end - much less the '15 loss to the Clips? That one was crushing - but it has been hashed and re-hashed too much already.

Well there is a difference (IMO) in being disappointed in losing vs saying the overall season was a disappointment if that makes sense.

[sasaint]

Well there is a difference (IMO) in being disappointed in losing vs saying the overall season was a disappointment if that makes sense.

As many (perhaps even you) have pointed out, we Spurs fans are a spoiled lot. I don't measure the Spurs' success by objective criteria that might satisfy most teams, but by how closely the team's achievements align with its realistic expectations. But especially in the 2015 playoffs, the Spurs had legitimate championship aspirations which went unrealized. I would say the same about last season. Let me add that just because the team has legitimate championship aspirations, failing to win it all is not necessarily abject failure, but failing to reach even the WCF is.

[DPG21920]

As many (perhaps even you) have pointed out, we Spurs fans are a spoiled lot. I don't measure the Spurs' success by objective criteria that might satisfy most teams, but by how closely the team's achievements align with its realistic expectations. But especially in the 2015 playoffs, the Spurs had legitimate championship aspirations which went unrealized. I would say the same about last season. Let me add that just because the team has legitimate championship aspirations, failing to win it all is not necessarily abject failure, but failing to reach even the WCF is.

That's probably where we differe then. I mean, SA very well could have won that series and should have. The difference in a few shots to me in making the WCF vs not doesn't define failure to me. Especially in a year with Tim hobbled, adding a major new piece in LMA and playing a ridiculously stacked team like OKC in the 2nd round.

[sasaint]

That's probably where we differe then. I mean, SA very well could have won that series and should have. The difference in a few shots to me in making the WCF vs not doesn't define failure to me. Especially in a year with Tim hobbled, adding a major new piece in LMA and playing a ridiculously stacked team like OKC in the 2nd round.

We can disagree. I bet we are both happy to disagree about such lofty expectations and achievements rather than about who should be our lottery pick - like a lot of teams. :toast

[SASdynasty!]

Not when you put things into CONTEXT, you do know what that word means, right?
Maybe not...
Yes I do. You don't compare "advanced" stats of starters to bench players. So why on earth do people keep comparing Parker's "advanced" stats to Mills?

[sasaint]

Yes I do. You don't compare "advanced" stats of starters to bench players. So why on earth do people keep comparing Parker's "advanced" stats to Mills?

As you indicate, CONTEXT is critical to the accurate interpretation of all data. So comparisons are tricky - especially between such as Tony and Patty. It also seems true that after the tip-off the time that the starters of both teams are pitted against each other is fluid and not particularly high. That makes me wonder if teams track such "advanced" statistics far more discretely than the websites that make them available to fans. Comparisons between/among "starters" on different teams would seem to be a little more valuable - or even comparisons of a single player's year-over-year stats. That said - all comparisons aside - it seems irrefutable that Tony is off to a terrible start and that this start is made worse because it seems like tha nadir of a pretty steady 2-3 year decline. Perhaps the cause is fatigue from overplaying year-round or some nagging injury (as I saw suggested in another thread). Or maybe his wheels have finally fallen off, too. Historically Tony has been a great PG. Recently not so great. Today, as a Spus fan, I just want the best PG play realistically possible. If Tony can turn the clock back and provide winning-caliber PG play, that is the best possible scenario for the Spurs. It doesn't seem very likely, although he did make two consecutive driving baskets against the Jazz that were outstanding and timely.

Two take-always: For better or worse, without some big-time changes (which PATFO will not make), Tony is the Spurs' best hope. He has to come through for this team to have any real hope. When Danny returns (assuming he is the Real Danny), the entire starting unit will be better - including Tony. The Spurs will have to compensate for his lack of defense from here on out, but no team is iron-clad on Offense and Defense across the board. Every team has its weaknesses.

[gambit1990]

hopefully not.