Kyle vs Simmons where do we stand ?

[Brazil]

As we have some Parker vs Patty stuff going on I though it was a good idea to discuss where we stand on those two.

I just watched the first game and second half of heat game so I'm probably quite biased so I'd like to get your opinions folks. It seems from stat sheet and 1,5 games seen that the coddled Simmons is taking the lead vs the bullied Anderson tbh... Both are seeing solid minutes (24 per game) but contrary to last year Anderson does not convert in production, last year he was much more efficient when playing more than 20 mn IIRC a Chinook remark, it does not seem to be the case this year... same FGA in 24 mn than in 16 mn last year, % same, apg same etc... basically same production but with 8 more minutes. Simmons is not shooting well but seems active as hell.

Danny will be back soon so available minutes are going to decrease, will Pop stick with preferred Anderson option or go try a bit more the coddled one ?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Kyle has way more upside and will be a better pro

[HarlemHeat37]

So far, I don't see how you can go against Simmons, tbh..he has clearly had the upper hand..whether he can sustain this level of play is yet to be determined, but he's got the edge, so far..

I don't think Pop will have trouble finding minutes for both during the regular season, though..Manu and Tony will receive plenty of rest, and based on what we've seen during the 1st week of the season, Aldridge will probably receive more rest than we expected, too IMO..

[dabom]

Fathead shrinks in the playoffs.

[SpursforSix]

As we have some Parker vs Patty stuff going on I though it was a good idea to discuss where we stand on those two.

I just watched the first game and second half of heat game so I'm probably quite biased so I'd like to get your opinions folks. It seems from stat sheet and 1,5 games seen that the coddled Simmons is taking the lead vs the bullied Anderson tbh... Both are seeing solid minutes (24 per game) but contrary to last year Anderson does not convert in production, last year he was much more efficient when playing more than 20 mn IIRC a Chinook remark, it does not seem to be the case this year... same FGA in 24 mn than in 16 mn last year, % same, apg same etc... basically same production but with 8 more minutes. Simmons is not shooting well but seems active as hell.

Danny will be back soon so available minutes are going to decrease, will Pop stick with preferred Anderson option or go try a bit more the coddled one ?

I think it will be situational. Pop will probably go with KA because he never tries to do to much. And bring Simmons in when they need the energy.

[dabom]

As we have some Parker vs Patty stuff going on I though it was a good idea to discuss where we stand on those two.

I just watched the first game and second half of heat game so I'm probably quite biased so I'd like to get your opinions folks. It seems from stat sheet and 1,5 games seen that the coddled Simmons is taking the lead vs the bullied Anderson tbh... Both are seeing solid minutes (24 per game) but contrary to last year Anderson does not convert in production, last year he was much more efficient when playing more than 20 mn IIRC a Chinook remark, it does not seem to be the case this year... same FGA in 24 mn than in 16 mn last year, % same, apg same etc... basically same production but with 8 more minutes. Simmons is not shooting well but seems active as hell.

Danny will be back soon so available minutes are going to decrease, will Pop stick with preferred Anderson option or go try a bit more the coddled one ?

The last bit. :lol

[Brazil]

Kyle has way more upside and will be a better pro

this is the year where he has to show his upside tbh... and from the small sample I watched, this is the same ol Anderson, strangely enough solid on defense and a ghost on offense

[DeRozan m8]

How's this even a question? Lol

Simmons and Bertans

[100%duncan]

Simmons in. Kancer out.

[Nathan89]

Anderson will be the 12th man on this team by the end of the season.

[Chinook]

Simmons has obviously been better, and if Kyle doesn't play hard enough to take the minutes from Jonathon, you can't really argue he deserves them. That's just the reality, independent or churches and player fandom.

I believe in Anderson's potential, and and I still believe he makes a lot more good plays that most folk realize. But as of right now, Anderson's disappointed, and Simmons hasn't.

[gambit1990]

i want pop to be fair and give anderson some rest. the more the merrier.

on on the other hand, i actually want him starting. get your trade value up kyle.

[Brazil]

Simmons has obviously been better, and if Kyle doesn't play hard enough to take the minutes from Jonathon, you can't really argue he deserves them. That's just the reality, independent or churches and player fandom.

I believe in Anderson's potential, and and I still believe he makes a lot more good plays that most folk realize. But as of right now, Anderson's disappointed, and Simmons hasn't.

at the end better be coddled than bullied... :lol

on a serious note and fun trolling aside, whats up with Anderson ? I have been puzzled by what I saw on my screen and on the stat sheets... dude seems to have regressed from last year. Still very early but quite mind blowing even tho hard to have opportunities with the SL

[dabom]

i want pop to be fair and give anderson some rest. the more the merrier.

on on the other hand, i actually want him starting. get your trade value up kyle.

Spurs don't do trade value.

[Chinook]

at the end better be coddled than bullied... :lol

on a serious note and fun trolling aside, whats up with Anderson ? I have been puzzled by what I saw on my screen and on the stat sheets... dude seems to have regressed from last year. Still very early but quite mind blowing even tho hard to have opportunities with the SL

I don't think he will make it as a starting wing. With Kawhi, LMA and Pau, he's just too buried on the pecking order. Last year he ran with the bench or replaced Kawhi as a starter, so he was much better able to play a game he's comfortable with. If he can figure out how to make it work where he is, he'll be much better off in the long run. But his stats will suffer, and if he isn't willing to make this role his own, the team will suffer.

[gambit1990]

Spurs don't do trade value.
:lol

[Brazil]

I don't think he will make it as a starting wing. With Kawhi, LMA and Pau, he's just too buried on the pecking order. Last year he ran with the bench or replaced Kawhi as a starter, so he was much better able to play a game he's comfortable with. If he can figure out how to make it work where he is, he'll be much better off in the long run. But his stats will suffer, and if he isn't willing to make this role his own, the team will suffer.

With Simmons tho Spurs have now "reliable" alternative. I'd say Spurs are less dependant of Kyle production than we thought.

[gambit1990]

not trying to kick a dead horse... but anderson would be more effective starting with patty.

parker and kyle need the ball to be effective. patty has no problems chillin on the 3 point line, making cuts.

[dabom]

not trying to kick a dead horse... but anderson would be more effective starting with patty.

parker and kyle need the ball to be effective. patty has no problems chillin on the 3 point line, making cuts.

Except Kyle has zero offensive game.

[Chinook]

With Simmons tho Spurs have now "reliable" alternative. I'd say Spurs are less dependant of Kyle production than we thought.

For sure, if Simmons keeps playing the way he has, or rather earns close to his average PPG on most nights, it takes a lot of pressure off the bench. We don't know how or if Pop is planning on using those guys once Danny comes back. It's hard to see anyone losing their spot in the rotation, but obviously getting both players playing at a good level would make them even better.

[Mr. Body]

Why do people keep doing this? They're completely different players.

[gambit1990]

surprised people are still saying that kyle has more upside.

[Brazil]

Why do people keep doing this? They're completely different players.

They are different but are fighting for same pool of minutes that's why people keep comparing them

[Brazil]

surprised people are still saying that kyle has more upside.

on paper it is true but reality and paper are often very distant

[SAGirl]

So far, I don't see how you can go against Simmons, tbh..he has clearly had the upper hand..whether he can sustain this level of play is yet to be determined, but he's got the edge, so far..

I don't think Pop will have trouble finding minutes for both during the regular season, though..Manu and Tony will receive plenty of rest, and based on what we've seen during the 1st week of the season, Aldridge will probably receive more rest than we expected, too IMO..

Agreed.

Also I think no matter how well Kyle comes out in the next few weeks when he rightfully goes back to the bench, Simmons has a skillset the bench needs regardless. I don't think it's up for dispute from Kyle or anybody, and only Simmons can beat Simmons right now and I don't expect him to regress TBH. Moreover, I think Spurs planned to lean on him a lot and Pop saying he's an NBA player already shows that Pop has seen the improvement he wanted to see. I get the impression that guy Chinook cited: Smitty or whomever it was that heard rumors that Simmons' ability to get to the basket was going to be important this season was legit. Though he didn't look it in preseason, he's starting to put his athleticism and talent together with heady play and that is a winning combination. It's obvious to me the Spurs are counting on him and that's not going to change.

For Kyle, he's been disappointing to me bc after shooting the 3 so well over the summer (probably the biggest development Spurs wanted to see from him bc he was quite trigger happy from 3), he's back to his hesitation. If he was CoJo out there, or somebody who can't shoot the 3 well at all, then it wouldn't bother me as much, but seeing as how he can shoot, it has been disappointing the mentality he has show up with, not going to lie. While he's in the SL, that is all they need from him offensively, as well as activity off the ball, setting screens, cutting etc. Kawhi is using over 30% of the possessions, then there is Pau and LMA at around 20% usage and Tony needs the ball some + he needs to find his own rhythm and shots within what they are doing. As such, Kyle is going to look like just a body out there at times, but that is by design, how can it be any different in the SL? The most important development he needs to show is not to pass up shots and shoot the 3 when he's open. He's probably going to have to do that for the bench as well and it's a needed development for his career.

I cited you bc I completely agreed with your estimation, they still need Kyle for depth.

[SupremeGuy]

JSimms has been better but I feel the same way about this as I do Patty v. Parker... if it isn't broken, don't fix it. Keep going with the current rotations until we lose, tbh.

[Brazil]

JSimms has been better but I feel the same way about this as I do Patty v. Parker... if it isn't broken, don't fix it. Keep going with the current rotations until we lose, tbh.

Yes but in that case Danny will get back to the SL so current rotation gonna change soon enough

[TheGreatYacht]

I actually don't get the Anderson "potential" argument. The dude ain't improving :lol

Career stats:
3.8ppg, 2.9rpg, 1.4apg, 44.1fg%, 14.8MPG

2016-2017 stats:
3.8ppg, 5.0rpg, 1.3apg, 46.2fg%, 24MPG

Now. Let's look how he performed in the playoffs where Pop gave him gift minutes, not earned.

2016 playoff stats:
2.3ppg, 2.4rpg, 0.7apg, 32fg%, 12.9MPG

[SAGirl]

Why do people keep doing this? They're completely different players.Completely agree too. I think the fact they showed up at the same time (Kyle's first season was a dleague affair together with Simmons who was not in the team, but they have been playing together since then...), and how they have developed together, plus the competition for minutes has made guys fixate on them against each other, but by all accounts they are very good friends off the court, specially Simmons is very fond of Kyle TBH, and they are very different.... Spurstalk being spurstalk...

[TheGreatYacht]

The bench was exposed last year and anyone with eyes knows Kyle was the glaring weakness. His game doesn't go with Manu's at all. The spacing with him in there will be even worse now that Diaw is gone who was the only forward that stretched the floor. Just imagine a Dedmon-Lee-Anderson frontcourt :lol gross tbh..

I'm okay with Kyle starting while Green is out, but you just know Pop will play him over Simmons and Bertans in that second unit smh

[SupremeGuy]

Yes but in that case Danny will get back to the SL so current rotation gonna change soon enoughJust keep the rotations as is until DG gets back and then tinker with the 2nd string I guess...

[SAGirl]

Just keep the rotations as is until DG gets back and then tinker with the 2nd string I guess...We will probably see guys we haven't seen much of yet like Bertans and Lapro.. Forbes too. Really the only guy that looks like he can't help much right now is Dijon. Like last season we will see everybody at some point. Specially November and December...

[MaNu4Tres]

Why do people keep doing this? They're completely different players.

When Pop has the all guys available, like he did vs. Warriors and like he will in competitive games or the playoffs, the only minutes available for Simmons and Anderson will be the minutes at back up SF. Simmons and Anderson will compete for those minutes.

That is why people have those two tied together. There won't be enough minutes for both when it truly matters in the playoffs or in competitive close games when everyone is available and not resting.

[cd98]

Simmons is mildly selfish and a little out of control and still turnover prone, but he's an X-factor that can go off and have games like he did against the Warriors. He has irrational confidence. Anderson has been meh and seems incapable of turning his game up at all. I hope Anderson picks it up, but he better get a fire lit b/c I can't see the Spurs paying him more money and keeping him around beyond this year if he doesn't pick up his game.

[BillMc]

Whatever clears the way for Bertans, tbh.

[dabom]

Whatever clears the way for Bertans, tbh.

He should be the back up 3 tbh.

[z0sa]

Simmons >>>>>>> Slomo

[BillMc]

He should be the back up 3 tbh.

Looks like Pop envisions him as a 4.

[dabom]

Looks like Pop envisions him as a 4.

As long as he is on the floor Bill. :toast

[BillMc]

As long as he is on the floor Bill. :toast

Agreed. :toast

[gambit1990]

Simmons is mildly selfish and a little out of control and still turnover prone, but he's an X-factor that can go off and have games like he did against the Warriors. He has irrational confidence.
disagree with both bolded statements.

-simmons' role is to be aggressive on offense, especially because there's no one else like him on the team. he's been a willing passer, has good court vision too.

-dion waiters is someone will irrational confidence. if simmons had irrational confidence he'd be playing even better than he is now.

[TD 21]

Simmons is mildly selfish and a little out of control and still turnover prone, but he's an X-factor that can go off and have games like he did against the Warriors. He has irrational confidence. Anderson has been meh and seems incapable of turning his game up at all. I hope Anderson picks it up, but he better get a fire lit b/c I can't see the Spurs paying him more money and keeping him around beyond this year if he doesn't pick up his game.

Agreed.

There was a play in the Heat game where he drove and Ginobili was wide open for three on the strong side wing and instead of kicking it out, he drove into traffic, leaving Ginobili exasperated. In the Pelicans game, he got into the paint, got the big to commit and had an easy dump off to Bertans available, only to ignore him and attempt a difficult layup.

I think he thinks he has to average as many points as possible in order to get paid as much as possible, which is obviously foolish.

If/when he cuts that out and just makes the right play, as well as maintains the controlled aggression he's shown so far, he's both better individually and fit wise than Anderson.



-dion waiters is someone will irrational confidence. if simmons had irrational confidence he'd be playing even better than he is now.

I suspect it was meant as a compliment in this case. As in, not irrational confidence for his ability, but considering how he got here and how unproven he is. Most guys in this situation are specialists, not running pick-and-rolls while relegating a future Hall-of-Famer to spot up duty.

[BillMc]

Agreed.

There was a play in the Heat game where he drove and Ginobili was wide open for three on the strong side wing and instead of kicking it out, he drove into traffic, leaving Ginobili exasperated. In the Pelicans game, he got into the paint, got the big to commit and had an easy dump off to Bertans available, only to ignore him and attempt a difficult layup.

I think he thinks he has to average as many points as possible in order to get paid as much as possible, which is obviously foolish.

If/when he cuts that out and just makes the right play, as well as maintains the controlled aggression he's shown so far, he's both better individually and fit wise than Anderson.
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