*** Official Game 5/82: Spurs at Jazz Game Thread (11/4/16)***

[FkLA]

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AT

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8:00 PM CT (3:00 AM Riga Time)
FSSW



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[apalisoc_9]

Over under 30mpg Parker plays?

[ElNono]

:lobt2:

[FkLA]

Over under 30mpg Parker plays?

I don't even want to think about it, bro. It disgusts me that it's a legitimate question for one of the worst PGs in the league.

[DAF86]

Wait, do we play the Jazz again? Isn't it "6/82"?

[apalisoc_9]

Wait, do we play the Jazz again? Isn't it "6/82"?

both correct..

[Darius Bieber]

30+ point loss

[Robz4000]

Gonna be a tough game to win, especially when Pop inevitably rests some players.

[spurs10]

Gonna be a tough game to win, especially when Pop inevitably rests some players. Thinking the same thing.

[dabom]

I don't even want to think about it, bro. It disgusts me that it's a legitimate question for one of the worst PGs in the league.

[r0drig0lac]

"6/82"

[FkLA]

Can a mod change the thread title to 6/82, please?

[TheDoctor]

5/82
No C Time (tho I'm East)
No Riga Time
:pctoss

[Amuseddaysleeper]

5/82
No C Time (tho I'm East)
No Riga Time
:pctoss

Epic fail for FkLA :lol

[TheDoctor]

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Pop resting Tony tomorrow (first game of a B2B)?

[SAGirl]

lol Pop sending Deijon to Austin... in paper. i suspect Bertans is still out with the knee contusion or whatever he had.. which would leave a spot open in the 13 man active roster for Dijon.

[K...]

Op is a well known diaw player fan.....and a well known Lee hater.....this thread reeks of bias

[RD2191]

Op is a well known diaw player fan.....and a well known Lee hater.....this thread reeks of bias

Are you saying OP is a traitor?

[TheDoctor]

lol Pop sending Deijon to Austin... in paper. i suspect Bertans is still out with the knee contusion or whatever he had.. which would leave a spot open in the 13 man active roster for Dijon.

With Bertans' history of bad knees, that could be worrisome tbh. Or it may be just some kind prevention by resting him. Davis hasn't played heavy minutes tho'. Yet.

[SAGirl]

With Bertans' history of bad knees, that could be worrisome tbh. Or it may be just some kind prevention by resting him. Davis hasn't played heavy minutes tho'. Yet.
I agree. I think they are very very careful with him. He played about 17 or something minutes in that Heat game and after that has been out with a right leg contusion, that is the bad knee he has. I don't think they will risk him if he has even the slightest tweak or soreness. It's early in the season, it will only become an issue if it's common bc he's the team's 5th big...

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No word yet on if he's out for this one, but Spurs recalling Dijon from Dleague tells me Davis will again be out... or he's at least very uncertain to be able to play still.

[Arcadian]

It's game 6. The Spurs are 4-1 already.

[TheDoctor]

No word yet on if he's out for this one, but Spurs recalling Dijon from Dleague tells me Davis will again be out... or he's at least very uncertain to be able to play still.

I'd very surprised if Bertans plays tomorrow.

[TheDoctor]

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[Chinook]

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Wonder if they're talking about a chicken leg or a turkey leg.

[SAGirl]

Wonder if they're talking about a chicken leg or a turkey leg.I don't know if you saw this:
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Guy tweeting is not a hack... it's uncertain, but late November is a lot later than I thought Danny would be back.

[Chinook]

I don't know if you saw this:
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Guy tweeting is not a hack... it's uncertain, but late November is a lot later than I thought Danny would be back.

I didn't see that exact tweet, but Danny is on my FBB team, so I got that update. Yeah, honestly three weeks from his last game would be this upcoming Tuesday, and three weeks from when the injury was announced would be the Saturday after this upcoming one. It would be a stretch to call that late-November. Only thing I can see is if the team is being extra-cautious to avoid Danny turning into Splitter 2.0.

[SAGirl]

I didn't see that exact tweet, but Danny is one my FBB team, so I got that update. Yeah, honestly three weeks from his last game would be this upcoming Tuesday, and three weeks from when the injury was announced would be the Saturday after this upcoming one. It would be a stretch to call that late-November. Only thing I can see is if the team is being extra-cautious to avoid Danny turning into Splitter 2.0.

And to elaborate on why that concerned me: Danny reportedly got the first or initial contusion/bruise or whatever that injured him during open gym and before training camp, that was late August... for about 2 weeks in training camp he was just shooting and didn't practice, or got involved in any contact. They brought him back for a few preseason games and without us seemingly seeing any play out of the ordinary that would injure him again he was held out again since preseason, so I suspect it's a nagging lingering thing. Since they already tried to bring him back early when he wasn't 100% they are now making sure.

I almost dread bringing this up, but Bertans with that leg contusion in his twice surgically repaired knee too...

[Joseph Kony]

Parker is doing a good job promoting your primary mission himself tbh

[Joseph Kony]

I don't know if you saw this:
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Guy tweeting is not a hack... it's uncertain, but late November is a lot later than I thought Danny would be back.

I could have sworn that they announced he would be out for 3 weeks like a week before the season even started....late November seems kinda far imo

[SAGirl]

I could have sworn that they announced he would be out for 3 weeks like a week before the season even started....late November seems kinda far imoA lot later than I thought, that is why I brought it up... :huh

[gambit1990]

please rest tp.

[sasaint]

And to elaborate on why that concerned me: Danny reportedly got the first or initial contusion/bruise or whatever that injured him during open gym and before training camp, that was late August... for about 2 weeks in training camp he was just shooting and didn't practice, or got involved in any contact. They brought him back for a few preseason games and without us seemingly seeing any play out of the ordinary that would injure him again he was held out again since preseason, so I suspect it's a nagging lingering thing. Since they already tried to bring him back early when he wasn't 100% they are now making sure.

I almost dread bringing this up, but Bertans with that leg contusion in his twice surgically repaired knee too...

Extended and/or lingering injuries to both Danny and Davis would spell doom for the Spurs' season. Big worries...

[SAGirl]

Extended and/or lingering injuries to both Danny and Davis would spell doom for the Spurs' season. Big worries...It's opportunities for others. I still hope others step up, but those who were hoping Danny would be the savior for the SL, have to start the Novena with me lol :downspin:

[Spur|n|Austin]

RIP Jazz, murder by Kawhi.

[Joseph Kony]

is Gayward playing for the Jizz this time?

[TheGreatYacht]

TP out tomorrow, that's why Murray got recalled

[gambit1990]

no parker tomorrow!
:danceclub

[SAGirl]

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No news on Bertans, hopefully he's available. :tu

[K...]

Hopefully Kyle starts this time

[TheGreatYacht]

Hopefully Kyle starts this time
Jesus Christ. No

[Robz4000]

Jesus Christ. No

As much as I hate Fathead's play Joe Johnson is a good matchup for him. Simmons can't really guard JJ or Hood.

[sasaint]

As much as I hate Fathead's play Joe Johnson is a good matchup for him. Simmons can't really guard JJ or Hood.

You're assuming JJ is who Pop would match Kyle against... :wow

[Robz4000]

You're assuming JJ is who Pop would match Kyle against... :wow

I'd hope so. Fathead has no hope of guarding Hood with any success.

[SAGirl]

You're assuming JJ is who Pop would match Kyle against... :wow
:rollin
this was hilarious. . . who knows what Pop has in mind for the guy...

I still hope for him.. I remain steadfast and unflinching... I have the Novena on daily basis for him and others... lol but straight up you made me crack up bc:

:pop: "I have to experiment some more"

[sasaint]

:rollin
this was hilarious. . . who knows what Pop has in mind for the guy...

I still hope for him.. I remain steadfast and unflinching... I have the Novena on daily basis for him and others... lol but straight up you made me crack up bc:

:pop: "I have to experiment some more"

"Just trying to keep the conversation lively." - William Hurt, The Big Chill

[gambit1990]

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[SAGirl]

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[moisaenz]

When is Danny Green back?

[TheDoctor]

Called it tbh


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Pop resting Tony tomorrow (first game of a B2B)?

[SPURt]

Jazz playing their third game in four nights? I like the sound of that

[bigfan]

Time for some payback.

[playbonner15]

Hope bertans play. and some Gasol to Dedmon combo

[gambit1990]

looking forward to this game... can't get my mind off playing the clippers on saturday though. does pop rest gasol that game?

[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

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[100%duncan]

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:lol

[TheDoctor]

Tony injured his self esteem and therefore his heart tbh

[RD2191]

794592803753861120

Crofl

[K...]

Eh, I don't find it funny that our starting backcourt is out. Let's hope we don't lose too many times

[TimDunkem]

With Parker out, we should be fine for the most part.

[apalisoc_9]

Winning Streak coming....

[gambit1990]

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[FkLA]

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:lmao

What an insecure faggot. His fake injury excuses are so predictable.

[FkLA]

Has there ever been a time when Rique sucked ass and he didn't blame it on a fake injury? Apparently, in his mind he either plays well or he's injured. There's no in between. :lol

[raybies]

Winning Streak coming....

This

[NameLess Scrub]

Prediction:

Entire Jazz roster chucks like chucking will be criminalized.
They make 70% of their shots.

Spurs lose by 15.

[JR3]

Will be there tonight of course... Spurs by 10. I like our chances with Parker not playing.

[TheGreatYacht]

Could be worse, he could fake a bullshit hand injury that doctors can't even see, like some other players did......

[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

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[dabom]

Has there ever been a time when Rique sucked ass and he didn't blame it on a fake injury? Apparently, in his mind he either plays well or he's injured. There's no in between. :lol

:lmao.

[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

:lol
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[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwbvGA6XAAAmrd8.jpg

[TheDoctor]

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[TheDoctor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqoU9bdrlI4

[gambit1990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqoU9bdrlI4
i love charles but he picked utah over us that year :rollin

[TheDoctor]

i love charles but he picked utah over us that year :rollin

Fuck him tbh :lol

[tonight...you]

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HITA!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Don't you be putting that evil on this site!

[FkLA]

TheDoctor, you should start making game threads brah. Srs. Much better option than that faggot Amused.

[SAGirl]

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Good news I got from that is that Danny should be returning within a week too. :tu I had been somewhat surprised to see mention elsewhere about him returning toward the end of November... I thought he was slower recovering than they thought...

[Ron Swanson]

:flag:

[Robz4000]

Would be really nice to win tonight since I'm not sure they can do it tomorrow night if Pop rests Manu.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/706942258176614400/tv9P1s33_bigger.jpg Tom Orsborn Verified account ‏@tom_orsborn (https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn)

Pop says Anderson will start tonight rather than Simmons. Asked why Simmons is back to bench, he said, "No real reason." #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash)

[K...]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/706942258176614400/tv9P1s33_bigger.jpg Tom Orsborn Verified account ‏@tom_orsborn (https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn)

Pop says Anderson will start tonight rather than Simmons. Asked why Simmons is back to bench, he said, "No real reason." #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash)

that's pop, so who starts at pg though?

[turkish spurs fan]

will duncan play?

[raybies]

that's pop, so who starts at pg though?

Murray! I thought his length was disruptive in the minute he got against hill the other night. He had two deflections, but in reality it is Patty.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs by 7.

[raybies]

Spurs win by 17

[TheGreatYacht]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/706942258176614400/tv9P1s33_bigger.jpg Tom Orsborn Verified account ‏@tom_orsborn (https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn)

Pop says Anderson will start tonight rather than Simmons. Asked why Simmons is back to bench, he said, "No real reason." #Spurs (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Spurs?src=hash)
Fucking faggot. Wouldn't be surprised if he put him on Rodney Hood too

[ElNono]

lets win this...

[apalisoc_9]

Got loads of links available...Not sure if its allowed though..

[kaji157]

Already started?

[MaNu4Tres]

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So much gold in one video. I remember this game vividly.

Kerr on the Blazers, Stephen Jackson and Zach Randolph tied to the bench, Johnnie Ludden pounding away at the keyboard...

[FkLA]

:flag::claw

[Robz4000]

:lmao the Jazz's mascot

[rastaspur]

Someone please do me a solid and pm me a decent stream link.

Trying to get vpn to bypass playstation vue but havent figured it out yet.

[FkLA]

Every time I see Sean now, I think of Timmy texting him during the first game of the season to tell him he looks like a 'sunburned earthworm with glasses'. He really does tbh. :lol

[rastaspur]

Got loads of links available...Not sure if its allowed though..

Be a pal and pm some links to me. Thanks.

[Robz4000]

Every time I see Sean now, I think of Timmy texting him during the first game of the season to tell him he looks like a 'sunburned earthworm with glasses'. He really does tbh. :lol

I really hope Timmy does a game or two with Bill and Sean this season. It'd be prime-time stuff tbh.

[Robz4000]

Fuck that Lady Gaga commercial

[spurtech09]

Enough with the Lady Gaga commercial.....

[Robz4000]

New drinking game: Every time that commercial comes on take a shot. You'll be dead by halftime.

[FkLA]

I really hope Timmy does a game or two with Bill and Sean this season. It'd be prime-time stuff tbh.

That would be awesome, tbh.

[ace3g]

Patty starting

[spurtech09]

Fuck that Lady Gaga commercialIlluminati confirmed......

[spursistan]

Coffee talk with Walrus Diaw...Utah beat reporters are just as corny as the Spurs' :lmao

[TheDoctor]

TheDoctor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49616), you should start making game threads brah. Srs. Much better option than that faggot Amused.

:lol Anybody's Game Thread is a better option tbh

Will do tomorrow's if available :tu

[Ron Swanson]

Here they go with the 3s again

[spurtech09]

Here we go again....The fluke effect.....

[r0drig0lac]

Utah Warriors tbh

[Ron Swanson]

Go for the loose ball, Fathead. Jesus.

[Robz4000]

:lmao it begins again

[r0drig0lac]

Kyle is pathetic

[100%duncan]

Kancer :lmao

[Darius Bieber]

This team is fool's gold. Won't make the playoffs.

[ElNono]

snail anderson "running for that rebound" smh

[bklynspursfan]

That's what really irks me about Anderson sometimes. He literally showed no effort to go for that rebound. We just can't have that.

[100%duncan]

Please get injured Kyle

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle is the laziest motherfucker I've ever seen. Has the body of a dyke and doesn't go after rebounds. Hope he has a season ender

[Fireball]

great start :lol

[DeRozan m8]

snail anderson "running for that rebound" smh

Yep.

That head must weigh a fucking tonne

[LittleCriminal]

Here's the link to watch on ur phone if need be...

https://youtu.be/Y2OOrevjA_M

[weeks]

just fucking end this anderson experiment already
he's a bust. it's over with. just let it go

[spursistan]

Fathead watching that rebound :lol

[r0drig0lac]

That's what really irks me about Anderson sometimes. He literally showed no effort to go for that rebound. We just can't have that.

he thinks he is a all-star or something, there is no explanation for the lack of effort

[$pursDynasty]

Defense so much better since Tony isn't out there

[FkLA]

Yep.

That head must weigh a fucking tonne\

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

You cocksuckers better not give Fathead another pass just because we won the game. Everyone always hates him in game threads and then let it go after. He's a cancer and always will be

[100%duncan]

Kyle is the laziest motherfucker I've ever seen. Has the body of a dyke and doesn't go after rebounds. Hope he has a season ender

What? For him to come back next year to do the same shit

[Darius Bieber]

You cocksuckers better not give Fathead another pass just because we won the game. Everyone always hates him in game threads and then let it go after. He's a cancer and always will be

[spurtech09]

Im surprised that Lady Gaga commercial didn't pop up....

[siraulo23]

spurs playing like they just beat the jazz by 30 in SA, no fire lel

[bklynspursfan]

Defense so much better since Tony isn't out there

Clearly....

[ElNono]

ugh passing another wide open 3

[TheGreatYacht]

Kyle passing open threes :lmao

[bklynspursfan]

Shoot the ball man! Wide open . so frustrating

[Ron Swanson]

Im surprised that Lady Gaga commercial didn't pop up....

:lol

I blame this shit on that commercial.

[100%duncan]

:lmao retard fucking faggot

[spurtech09]

Sloppy sloppy sloppy

[bklynspursfan]

Offense looks terrible out there, even with Patty starting thus far.

[TheGreatYacht]

This is what happens when Fathead runs the offense as the primary ball handler :lmao

[100%duncan]

Oh look Kyle cant defend a guy! But hes a great defender gaiz

[spurtech09]

Looks like a repeat of Tuesdays game....

[100%duncan]

Offense looks terrible out there, even with Patty starting thus far.

That usually happens when a team ignores its best player :lol

[bklynspursfan]

It looked like they were making an effort to get LMA going early.

[FkLA]

Clearly....

we miss the head of the snake :cry



































































gtfo :lmao

[spurtech09]

Terrible ball...everyone needs to get involved...ball movement....

[DeRozan m8]

The fathead just kills the starters n court chemistry and shit....they're all trying to fill the void of fathead and can't just do their thing.

The D love it because he's an extra man.

[ElNono]

paddy!

[Ron Swanson]

we miss the head of the snake :cry

Now we get the fathead of the snake.

[AZK619]

Patty! :toast

[bklynspursfan]

That usually happens when a team ignores its best player :lol

It seemed they wanted LMA to get a few shots off, which Im cool with. He hasn't had a good game since the first one. They just aren't moving the ball, Anderson passed up a shot and just looks so unsure of himself. With no TP (regardless of what people think) there needs to be another ball handler out there who is decisive

[spurtech09]

Defense playing much better.

[weeks]

i cringe every time bill land says "gday mate!"

[Arcadian]

:wow That block by Aldridge...and it was perfectly angled to Mills...should also count as an assist

[spurtech09]

Patty on fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheGreatYacht]

Great find by Simmons. Better passer than Fathead and it ain't close

[Ron Swanson]

:claw

[r0drig0lac]

smart play by Kawhi

[TheGreatYacht]

Comeback happening. I wonder who got subbed

[ace3g]

Bertans !!!

[Ron Swanson]

Bertans getting some early minutes.

[99 Problems]

Pat 3

[ElNono]

nice run here without the TP-Fathead combo

[spurtech09]

Bertans......

[r0drig0lac]

Bertans in

[AZK619]

Kawhi taking over:claw

[bklynspursfan]

LMA is very active there defensively

[raybies]

B3RTANS!

[spurtech09]

LMA and 1

[ace3g]

Bertans to LA!!!

[r0drig0lac]

Bertans assist

[raybies]

Kawhi man... drawing dem fouls

[ElNono]

nice tap out by Bertrans

[TheGreatYacht]

Simmons and Bertans, first players off the bench.

The way it should be every game

[$pursDynasty]

KingSlayer and the Spurrefs, lol

[100%duncan]

I hope the NBA never learns to stop reaching on Kawhi

[AZK619]

Kawhi staying aggressive

[bklynspursfan]

15-3 run

[spursistan]

Simmons and Bertans, first players off the bench.

The way it should be every game

[raybies]

Nico

[spurtech09]

Spurs energy looks much better tonight.

[r0drig0lac]

Bertans is a very good player

[FkLA]

God damn Kawhi is good.

[100%duncan]

Nico in

[TimDunkem]

Bertans is so mobile...Lol at anyone who still claims he's a worse defender than Fathead.

[tonight...you]

Simmons and Bertans, first players off the bench.

The way it should be every game

Why is this man Pink? #GodDamnedShame
There needs to be a movement. Someone else start this shit!

[bklynspursfan]

These 3's they keep hitting. Better than the Dubs man smh. At what point do they come back down to earth

[FaM0us Skins]

I can't believe we're the number 1 FT shooting team in the NBA.

[r0drig0lac]

finally SAS with some players who can attack the rim

[ElNono]

they still hitting bullshit 3s... but we're getting to the line

[TheGreatYacht]

Why is this man Pink? #GodDamnedShame
There needs to be a movement. Someone else start this shit!

[FaM0us Skins]

Keep getting to the line

[ElNono]

defense much better

[spursistan]

Fathead has no business playing ahead of Bertans in the rotation..

[Fireball]

this 3pt % of the Jazz has me worried ... they look confident

[Raven]

fairly weird game

[Ron Swanson]

Fathead has no business playing

[spurtech09]

Manu nice shot....

[r0drig0lac]

lmao

[100%duncan]

smh aldridge

[spurtech09]

Bertans should of shot the 3....

[tonight...you]

I'm, unfortunately, trying to get the final vestiges of my work done before deadline. If anyone can give me some descriptive updates from time to time, I will love you forever. I'll be here, hitting the ol' F5 every 15-20, or so.

[spurtech09]

Butter fingers

[Darius Bieber]

Lots of Spurs fans in Utah. Mormons love pure, white boy, no gimmicks basketball.

[100%duncan]

Jazzscrubs hit threes but we cant

[r0drig0lac]

spurefs

[Ron Swanson]

Jazz fans finally showed up.

Boooooooooooooooooooooo

[100%duncan]

:lmao what a bullshit call

[spurtech09]

shoot the ball

[ElNono]

Manu giveth, Manu taketh away

[spursistan]

shoot the ball

[TheDoctor]

Manu :lol:

[spursistan]

Should by up by 15 :pctoss

[spurtech09]

aw bunch of bull.....

[ElNono]

thats BS

[TheDoctor]

I like Nico's aggressiveness and fighting through screens

[ElNono]

Manu

mi negro

[spursistan]

Vintage Manu there :wow

[Robz4000]

Spurs were down 12-2, now lead 27-17 (since Fathead got benched)...

[100%duncan]

Manu doing manu things the last minutes of that quarter :lol

[AZK619]

Manu! :wow

[spurtech09]

Much better than Tuesday's game......

[100%duncan]

Spurs were down 12-2, now lead 27-17 (since Fathead got benched)...

I wont be surprised if this somehow gets defended again.

[TheGreatYacht]

Manu and the bench look great again now that Kyle is gone

Not a coincidence

[AZK619]

Manu showing how a real PG attacks the rack, not that bitch shit, tbh. :toast

[FkLA]

Amazing what getting rid of one cancer does for the team. He's probably not enjoying this game.

[gambit1990]

with parker: down by 7 after the 1st
without parker: up by 10 after the 1st

[Fireball]

lets win all other quarters this way ... Manu looking good on his finishes ... no Dedmon/Lee so far

[r0drig0lac]

Simms!!

[spurtech09]

Like Bertans defense.

[100%duncan]

JSimmssss

[spurtech09]

Bertans was wide open...

[TheDoctor]

Kawhi screams like a fucking Wookie.

[TheGreatYacht]

Up 14 when Fathead enters the game....

[ElNono]

shit, here comes Kyle again

[Ron Swanson]

Fathead back in.

[100%duncan]

Kancer back in :lmao

[TheDoctor]

with parker: down by 7 after the 1st
without parker: up by 10 after the 1st
I don't believe in coincidences tbh

[TimDunkem]

In comes Fathead and here comes a Jazz run.

[100%duncan]

Patty is on the bigger man :lmao what the fuckl

[TheGreatYacht]

Why does Kyle keep telling Patty to guard Johnson? :lol

That's literally your only job scrub

[TheDoctor]

Rodney Hood, newest Spurs Killer.

[TimDunkem]

Why does Kyle keep telling Patty to guard Johnson? :lol

That's literally your only job scrub

Fathead knows he's too slow to make the rotation. :lol