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midnightpulp
11-05-2016, 12:06 AM
R.I.P. to "positionless basketball" and the idea that you can go small all the time if you have great 3 point shooting and the ability to switch on every pick-and-roll.

Warriors got decimated tonight by two mediocre forwards in Julian and Larry Nance, and gave up 16 offensive boards.

I sense another paradigm shift coming, one going back to rebounds=rings.

ElNono
11-05-2016, 12:08 AM
He just missed some 3s... he'll live...

spursistan
11-05-2016, 12:28 AM
R.I.P. to "positionless basketball" and the idea that you can go small all the time if you have great 3 point shooting and the ability to switch on every pick-and-roll.

Warriors got decimated tonight by two mediocre forwards in Julian and Larry Nance, and gave up 16 offensive boards.

I sense another paradigm shift coming, one going back to rebounds=rings.

Pat Riley dictum :tu..

Still, they were a horrific matchup for all Cavs/Spurs/Clippers when healthy last year. now that's is gone with how they decimated their front court even more..

Bynumite
11-05-2016, 12:31 AM
Given OP's track record at evaluating point guard talent, it's safe to say Wardell is gonna be just fine.

Paul, Mudiay, Russell and now Curry. That's a nice streak you got going on mid :lmao

DMC
11-05-2016, 12:31 AM
Growing pains. They'll find a rhythm by January.

Chris
11-05-2016, 12:33 AM
Stevie Johnson Chef Curry Benoit nowitzkikopf

Cry Havoc
11-05-2016, 12:36 AM
The key to beating the Warriors is making sure they ALL shoot abysmally from 3.

midnightpulp
11-05-2016, 12:41 AM
Given OP's track record at evaluating point guard talent, it's safe to say Wardell is gonna be just fine.

Paul, Mudiay, Russell and now Curry. That's a nice streak you got going on mid :lmao

Mudiay and Russell are comparable levels of crap. How was I wrong here?

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/year/2016/page/2/sort/RPM/position/1

Mudiay will be the better player down the road, though.

nowitzkikopf
11-05-2016, 12:44 AM
Stevie Johnson Chef Curry Benoit nowitzkikopf

man, i'm getting lumped into some great company there :lmao

wasn't a fan of the durant move as it was made tbh, esp given his current contract structure (next offseason will be brutal). gimme 2-3 all stars + solid/well balanced pieces around them vs what we have now any day; its not going to be as fun of a season with the ball sticking as much as it has.

believe they'll have to pick which 3 to build around in the coming future- i suspect either green and/or thompson are gone after this season.

oh yeah, and our d/rebounding is painful to watch; keys to beating us = pound away and watch our soft ass front line break. we'll still win a ton this year, but that fear factor has disappeared with the combination of 3-1 and the early season softness

Thread
11-05-2016, 12:45 AM
^^^
Zero

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Bynumite
11-05-2016, 12:46 AM
Mudiay and Russell are comparable levels of crap. How was I wrong here?

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/year/2016/page/2/sort/RPM/position/1

Mudiay will be the better player down the road, though.

So much bump worthy material :lol Like i said before, keep digging that hole mid :tu

daslicer
11-05-2016, 12:48 AM
The media always hyped up their small ball last year but failed to acknowledge that they weren't really a small team size wise. They had great rim protectors in Bogut and Ezeli who are both 7ft. Speights is a legit 6'10 and was great at drawing charges. Granted their small ball line ups were effective but they didn't go for the majority of the game with a small ball line up. You can only play small ball in small doses but to do it for a full game is taxing since you have to expand so much energy on the defensive end to keep teams from attacking the paint.

midnightpulp
11-05-2016, 12:50 AM
So much bump worthy material :lol Like i said before, keep digging that hole mid :tu

D'Bust will be the better offensive player, but Mudiay will be better all around. He's a better defender, passer, and rebounder.

We'll see what the metrics reveal at season's end.

DMC
11-05-2016, 12:51 AM
Exposed? I called him out years ago. Me.

HarlemHeat37
11-05-2016, 12:53 AM
Way too early to make this type of statement, tbh..

midnightpulp
11-05-2016, 12:53 AM
Exposed? I called him out years ago. Me.

I'm more calling out the Wardellball offensive philosophy than Wardell himself.

Chris
11-05-2016, 12:54 AM
man, i'm getting lumped into some great company there :lmao

wasn't a fan of the durant move as it was made tbh, esp given his current contract structure (next offseason will be brutal). gimme 2-3 all stars + solid/well balanced pieces around them vs what we have now any day; its not going to be as fun of a season with the ball sticking as much as it has.

believe they'll have to pick which 3 to build around in the coming future- i suspect either green and/or thompson are gone after this season.

oh yeah, and our d/rebounding is painful to watch; keys to beating us = pound away and watch our soft ass front line break. we'll still win a ton this year, but that fear factor has disappeared with the combination of 3-1 and the early season softness

I would have been ecstatic to get Durant tbh. You lost so much depth with Bogut and his interior defense plus his rebounding. Speights was versatile enabling Kerr's small-ball strategy, and Barnes was an incredible 2 way guard coming off the bench and seemed to be a perfect fit.

midnightpulp
11-05-2016, 12:55 AM
Way too early to make this type of statement, tbh..

I've stated numerous times that if you can't shoot 3's at a historic clip, this system is bound to fail. Morey and his calculator have been trying to get it to work for half-a-decade, and it's crashed and burned every time.

And I hope it fails. It's awful basketball more suited for social media highlights than anything else.

InTheCrust
11-05-2016, 12:57 AM
Steph will be OK, his productivity isn't limited to catch and shoot threes. Klay however... now that piece of shit is a glorified Danny Green, pure system player :lmao

HarlemHeat37
11-05-2016, 12:58 AM
I've stated numerous times that if you can't shoot 3's at a historic clip, this system is bound to fail. Morey and his calculator have been trying to get it to work for half-a-decade, and it's crashed and burned every time.

And I hope it fails. It's awful basketball more suited for social media highlights than anything else.

They have dominated the NBA for 2 years, I find it difficult to believe that the league has caught up or that it's just an extended hot streak:lol

Their biggest issues are the loss of Bogut and Iguodala's decline, I don't think it has much to do with a paradigm shift..if they can find a rim protector(easier said than done), they'll be even better than previous seasons..

nowitzkikopf
11-05-2016, 12:58 AM
I would have been ecstatic to get Durant tbh. You lost so much depth with Bogut and his interior defense plus his rebounding. Speights was versatile enabling Kerr's small-ball strategy, and Barnes was an incredible 2 way guard coming off the bench and seemed to be a perfect fit.

isolated acquisition of kd, yep, would have been stoked. but not so much bc of all of this

midnightpulp
11-05-2016, 01:05 AM
They have dominated the NBA for 2 years, I find it difficult to believe that the league has caught up or that it's just an extended hot streak:lol

Their biggest issues are the loss of Bogut and Iguodala's decline, I don't think it has much to do with a paradigm shift..if they can find a rim protector(easier said than done), they'll be even better than previous seasons..

The League caught up to the Spurs motion offense in one year. Spurs, more due to personnel, are now reverting to a more basic grit-and-grind philosophy.

SportVU and all the modern tech teams employ make it easier than ever before to counter leading strategies.

The Thunder exposed them last year by controlling the boards and beating them up on the inside until Durant sabotaged the series. The Cavs did so a year before, and might've won the series if fully healthy. Rebounds and points-in-the-paint will always be a better general attack than chucking 30 threes.

Medvedenko
11-05-2016, 01:08 AM
Mid as per par has weak takes and talks out of both sides of his mouth. Nothing new...

Thread
11-05-2016, 01:10 AM
Exposed? I called him out years ago. Me.

Somewhere in there he made the playoffs and won the last game he played.

Bynumite
11-05-2016, 01:50 AM
Warriors haven't been the same since Luke led them to a 24-0 winning streak and Kerr returned imho :wakeup

DMC
11-05-2016, 02:11 AM
Somewhere in there he made the playoffs and won the last game he played.

So did we yet you cite '13.

Thread
11-05-2016, 02:42 AM
So did we yet you cite '13.

They were selling your shit.

Thread
11-05-2016, 02:42 AM
Warriors haven't been the same since Luke led them to a 24-0 winning streak and Kerr returned imho :wakeup

Now you sound like an SF.

DAF86
11-05-2016, 02:45 AM
Lakers fans so mad at this thread, you would think they are Warriors fans.

Robz4000
11-05-2016, 02:51 AM
man, i'm getting lumped into some great company there :lmao

wasn't a fan of the durant move as it was made tbh, esp given his current contract structure (next offseason will be brutal). gimme 2-3 all stars + solid/well balanced pieces around them vs what we have now any day; its not going to be as fun of a season with the ball sticking as much as it has.

believe they'll have to pick which 3 to build around in the coming future- i suspect either green and/or thompson are gone after this season.

oh yeah, and our d/rebounding is painful to watch; keys to beating us = pound away and watch our soft ass front line break. we'll still win a ton this year, but that fear factor has disappeared with the combination of 3-1 and the early season softness

Good to have a legitimate Dub fan here tbh; stick around :toast

Thread
11-05-2016, 03:17 AM
Lakers fans so mad at this thread, you would think they are Warriors fans.

And you a Westbrook fan!

UZER
11-05-2016, 03:20 AM
Mid as per par has weak takes and talks out of both sides of his mouth. Nothing new...

Unretired again Med?

Kawhitstorm
11-05-2016, 04:26 AM
The Thunder exposed them last year by controlling the boards and beating them up on the inside until Durant sabotaged the series. The Cavs did so a year before, and might've won the series if fully healthy. Rebounds and points-in-the-paint will always be a better general attack than chucking 30 threes.

OKC also had success in large part b/c WestBrick was abusing Wardell before he imploded in Gms 5-7. The Cavs forced switched & ran a train on him even when they were trying to hide Curry on JR.

The Lakers had Lou Williams/D'Bust took turns running a train on him tonight.:toast

Splits
11-05-2016, 05:27 AM
Stevie Johnson (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31034) Chef Curry (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49634) Benoit (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49561) nowitzkikopf (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8392)

:lol

They're all conflicted tonight since they're all Laker fans

100%duncan
11-05-2016, 05:43 AM
Lakers fans so mad at this thread, you would think they are Warriors fans.

They are :lol

DMC
11-05-2016, 11:04 AM
They were selling your shit.

But I'm not buying your shit.

Thread
11-05-2016, 11:38 AM
But I'm not buying your shit.

You don't have to, amb.

They were selling your shit.

spursistan
11-05-2016, 11:41 AM
man, i'm getting lumped into some great company there :lmao

wasn't a fan of the durant move as it was made tbh, esp given his current contract structure (next offseason will be brutal). gimme 2-3 all stars + solid/well balanced pieces around them vs what we have now any day; its not going to be as fun of a season with the ball sticking as much as it has.

believe they'll have to pick which 3 to build around in the coming future- i suspect either green and/or thompson are gone after this season.

oh yeah, and our d/rebounding is painful to watch; keys to beating us = pound away and watch our soft ass front line break. we'll still win a ton this year, but that fear factor has disappeared with the combination of 3-1 and the early season softness

Solid post, son..You will still walk to 62-65 wins, but this team is even more vulnerable than last year's to the rough and tumble nature of "playoffs basketball"..

Priority should be resigning Curry/Durant and figure out the rest..Trading Klay and rebuilding a more traditional roster is one direction they should ponder if they get pounded into oblivion in the postseason..As indestructible as GSW looked in regular season between 2014-2016, their two playoff runs were pretty average by comparison..

Chris
11-05-2016, 12:46 PM
:lol

They're all conflicted tonight since they're all Laker fans

:lol

lefty
11-05-2016, 01:28 PM
:lol Lebron and 90s ball took a wet shit on t:lolday's fsggoty soft jump shooting NBA

Molotov
11-05-2016, 01:31 PM
:lol Lebron and 90s ball took a wet shit on t:lolday's fsggoty soft jump shooting NBA


true

Thread
11-05-2016, 01:38 PM
true

He even made them stop selling your shit.

Molotov
11-05-2016, 01:39 PM
He even made them stop selling your shit.


Fact:











































Kobe's parents sold his shit.

DAF86
11-05-2016, 01:45 PM
:lol Lebron and 90s ball took a wet shit on t:lolday's fsggoty soft jump shooting NBA

Yeah, it's not like last years Cavs were one of the teams that made the most threes in the history of the playoffs.

lefty
11-05-2016, 01:50 PM
Yeah, it's not like last years Cavs were one of the teams that made the most threes in the history of the playoffs.
That's because todays NBA defenses are shit
But Cleveland plays 90s ball

Thread
11-05-2016, 03:52 PM
Fact:











































Kobe's parents sold his shit.

They were selling your shit.

spursreport
11-05-2016, 04:01 PM
Growing pains. They'll find a rhythm by January.

They still aren't winning a title. They lack a true alpha.

JohnnyMax
11-05-2016, 04:19 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKym6J8NlhFruWA/giphy.gif

DMC
11-05-2016, 04:42 PM
You don't have to, amb.

They were selling your shit.

Of course I don't, Avante...

We rang and won our last game since then...

Goose/gander/sauce etc...

Splits
11-05-2016, 04:45 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKym6J8NlhFruWA/giphy.gif

:lol

Clipper Nation
11-05-2016, 05:01 PM
Growing pains. They'll find a rhythm by January.

All the regular-season "rhythm" in the world can't make up for the fact that they have no defense and their stars are all mentally-weak choke artists when it matters. Any big man with a pulse should be able to dominate them. Even scrubs like M:lolzg:lolv look like prime Shaq against them.

I expected them to choke in the Finals again, but after seeing just how soft their defense is, I would not be surprised if they choke in the WCF.

Thread
11-05-2016, 05:11 PM
Of course I don't, Avante

lmemulatedao!!!

Molotov
11-05-2016, 05:39 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKym6J8NlhFruWA/giphy.gif


Cucky's salty face is the best...:lmao

nowitzkikopf
11-05-2016, 05:59 PM
Solid post, son..You will still walk to 62-65 wins, but this team is even more vulnerable than last year's to the rough and tumble nature of "playoffs basketball"..

Priority should be resigning Curry/Durant and figure out the rest..Trading Klay and rebuilding a more traditional roster is one direction they should ponder if they get pounded into oblivion in the postseason..As indestructible as GSW looked in regular season between 2014-2016, their two playoff runs were pretty average by comparison..

indeed- as great as 14-16 were, i still stand by the philosophy that you can't build dynasties around a pg. you need a solid big to at least complement said guard, which we don't have. your win total is spot on, i think- simply not enough quality defensive/disciplined teams around during the season to take advantage of our obvious flaws. playoffs will not be pretty imo. out west alone, spurs look solid, clips will be no cake walk either.

i think curry/durant should be the blocks as well- draymond might be untradable bc (unfortunately) he still allows for that small ball flexibility, but if we can get a quailty big for klay, need to take that step, imo

hitmanyr2k
11-05-2016, 06:13 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKym6J8NlhFruWA/giphy.gif

Had to bring this gif back because :lol

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5013/6gZeDW.gif

Spurtacular
11-05-2016, 06:29 PM
R.I.P. to "positionless basketball" and the idea that you can go small all the time if you have great 3 point shooting and the ability to switch on every pick-and-roll.

Warriors got decimated tonight by two mediocre forwards in Julian and Larry Nance, and gave up 16 offensive boards.

I sense another paradigm shift coming, one going back to rebounds=rings.

It requires blatant moving screens by oafs. Losing Bogut, Speights, etc TBH.

DMC
11-05-2016, 07:18 PM
They still aren't winning a title. They lack a true alpha.

The myth of the "true alpha" rears it's ugly head.

You think the last 3 years' MVPs playing on the same team is bad because there's no true alpha?

They need paint presence, for sure, but they don't need a "true alpha" when your b2b MVP is the 2nd best player on your team.

Mr. Body
11-05-2016, 07:21 PM
The myth of the "true alpha" rears it's ugly head.

You think the last 3 years' MVPs playing on the same team is bad because there's no true alpha?

They need paint presence, for sure, but they don't need a "true alpha" when your b2b MVP is the 2nd best player on your team.

Interesting. Your last paragraph completely contradicts the first two.

HarlemHeat37
11-05-2016, 09:31 PM
Eh, Cleveland is the only team that looks great, so far, which is partly a product of their continuity(unlike GS)..

Mid is my nigga, but this thread is a product of him being annoyed that the Lakers won the game IMO:lol

TDMVPDPOY
11-05-2016, 10:59 PM
woke up to find my realgm account ban for calling curry a arrogant kent juggling that mouthpiece like his guggling cum...lol

spurtech09
11-05-2016, 11:37 PM
eh can't win them all.....

DMC
11-06-2016, 12:52 AM
Interesting. Your last paragraph completely contradicts the first two.

No it doesn't. Being the best player doesn't make you an alpha. Durant was the best player in OKC. He wasn't the alpha. So unless you have no idea what "alpha" means, and how it's being used in the post I quoted, you're firing blanks.

Alpha means first. KD isn't the 1st option in GS. The post I quoted basically stated as much. With no 1st option, there's no "alpha". KD is a better player than Curry. He's not the team leader and he's not the 1st option, not yet anyhow.

Leonard wasn't the alpha on the Spurs for the past 2 years. He was the best player however. Simple concept actually.

Molotov
11-06-2016, 11:14 AM
woke up to find my realgm account ban for calling curry a arrogant kent juggling that mouthpiece like his guggling cum...lol


nice..:tu

spurraider21
11-08-2016, 01:11 AM
:lol

midnightpulp
11-08-2016, 01:20 AM
:lol

Serious?

Wardell had a historic shooting performance and they were in a fight with one of the worst teams in the league. Confirms my point. If the Warriors aren't shooting anomalous percentages from downtown, they're easily beatable.

spurraider21
11-08-2016, 01:22 AM
the heatles started 9-8 in their first season together. the warriors are a flawed roster, but it's premature to say they've been "exposed" because they haven't had a blistering start

midnightpulp
11-08-2016, 01:27 AM
the heatles started 9-8 in their first season together. the warriors are a flawed roster, but it's premature to say they've been "exposed" because they haven't had a blistering start

It's not their roster, but the style of play. If they start mixing in more dribble-drive penetration, they're much tougher to beat. Launching 40 threes per game and expecting 40ish percent all the time is not a sustainable strategy, especially given how bad their team rebounding is.

They also need a paint anchor, as mentioned.

DMC
11-08-2016, 10:37 AM
the heatles started 9-8 in their first season together. the warriors are a flawed roster, but it's premature to say they've been "exposed" because they haven't had a blistering start


No. The Warriors have the MVP, DPOY runner up and the 3pt champ. KD will get a free pass this year. Nothing will be his fault, it will be "growing pains" and "learning curves" and "finding where he fits in". "We need him to be aggressive every time he touches the ball" will be the statement by players and coaches, but if he doesn't do that, media will write if off as just growing pains. They'll cite the Heat in Lebron's first year.

Curry missed 10 3's in a row. That's because he's got a scope that has to be sighted in. When he misses it's likely they are all in the same general area. He just has to adjust that scope (and he did). You won't see too many great shooters miss 10 3's in one game, not 10 in a row. However if I had a rifle that could put 10 rounds in a 1/4" circle at 100 meters, it doesn't matter if that circle isn't where I was aiming, I can adjust the aim. Other shooters can put 7 out of 10 on good nights. Very few can get 10 out of 13. Maybe 1 or 2 can get 13 out of 17.

So the kid is a phenomenal shooter, that's not even in doubt. If he regresses back to chucking those 15 times a game because of the chaos on the floor, the Warriors could have more issues than just defense. For now though it's probably not an issue.

Molotov
11-08-2016, 11:32 AM
And now that their aura of invincibility has been shattered by their historic choke last year, they lose the psychological edge they had over the league, as well. Which is no small thing, since teams will give them little respect, as the perennial bottom feeding Lakers already have shown by their 20 point beat down.

Clipper Nation
11-08-2016, 12:33 PM
the heatles started 9-8 in their first season together. the warriors are a flawed roster, but it's premature to say they've been "exposed" because they haven't had a blistering start
The Heat throttled the shitty Nets and Timberwolves by 23 and 32 in their fourth and fifth games together; then they beat the Nets by double digits again in their seventh game. In contrast, the Warriors have looked like ass against the Pelicans, Suns and Lakers.

The Heat were building a whole new team from the ground up - Wade was the only important player left over from the 2009-10 Heat. In contrast, the Warriors are just integrating a new player into a stacked and experienced team.

The Heat had a defense from minute one of the season. Their problem was figuring out everyone's roles on offense. It's the complete opposite situation in the Bay. They can score in bunches, but they can't stop a nosebleed and don't have the personnel to.

They're two different teams in two different situations. Expecting the Warriors to have a Heat-esque turnaround is just as premature and illogical as expecting them to suck.

spurraider21
11-08-2016, 12:51 PM
The Heat throttled the shitty Nets and Timberwolves by 23 and 32 in their fourth and fifth games together; then they beat the Nets by double digits again in their seventh game. In contrast, the Warriors have looked like ass against the Pelicans, Suns and Lakers.

The Heat were building a whole new team from the ground up - Wade was the only important player left over from the 2009-10 Heat. In contrast, the Warriors are just integrating a new player into a stacked and experienced team.

The Heat had a defense from minute one of the season. Their problem was figuring out everyone's roles on offense. It's the complete opposite situation in the Bay. They can score in bunches, but they can't stop a nosebleed and don't have the personnel to.

They're two different teams in two different situations. Expecting the Warriors to have a Heat-esque turnaround is just as premature and illogical as expecting them to suck.the lakers are 4-3. playoffs confirmed.

Robz4000
11-08-2016, 02:46 PM
the lakers are 4-3. playoffs confirmed.

The West is so awful this year outside the Top 3 teams that they just might tbh. Gonna be the first time in a while sub-.500 teams make the cut.

HarlemHeat37
11-08-2016, 03:01 PM
Also, even in a relatively different role, Klay Thompson isn't going to shoot 20% from 3, all season:lol

He might go through a 2016 Danny Green-level shooting slump in a different role, but he isn't going to shoot as poorly as that for an entire season..

lefty
11-08-2016, 03:02 PM
:lol Klay Thompaon
:lol Nick ANderson with bleach

HarlemHeat37
11-08-2016, 03:03 PM
:lol Klay Thompaon
:lol Nick ANderson with bleach

:lol Klay Miller
:lol Reggie Thompson

Arcadian
11-08-2016, 03:04 PM
I sure hope so. It's such a faggy style of play.

midnightpulp
11-08-2016, 03:12 PM
Warriors have some serious flaws(they won't be better than average, defensively, and they don't have a bench), but you could make the same argument for the Spurs and Clippers, tbh..

Spurs have a bottom 5 starting PG, questionable playoff performers and 2 key defensive liabilities in their starting unit..the bench is also going to be very questionable in the playoffs, especially with the way Manu looks..

Clippers have the same flaws as every year, particularly their history of massive choke jobs in the playoffs..

The Cavs are the only team that looks dominant, tbh..it's all a moot point, right now, though..the Warriors won 73 games and lost to a Cavs team that wasn't too impressive in the playoffs..the Thunder were very underwhelming during the RS, yet they were 1 game away from the WCFs..the Spurs won 67 games and lost in the 2nd round..

I just want to see that style of play shutdown because I think it's awful basketball. It was cute when it was a novelty, but chucking 30 to 40 threes per game looks like playground basketball, especially with the way perimeter defenders are hamstrung now.

HarlemHeat37
11-08-2016, 03:16 PM
I just want to see that style of play shutdown because I think it's awful basketball. It was cute when it was a novelty, but chucking 30 to 40 threes per game looks like playground basketball, especially with the way perimeter defenders are hamstrung now.

Depends, I guess..the Cavs shoot a ton of 3s, too, but they blend in some ISOball, as well..

They are a decent mix of 90s/early 2000s ball + today's NBA..

midnightpulp
11-08-2016, 03:27 PM
Depends, I guess..the Cavs shoot a ton of 3s, too, but they blend in some ISOball, as well..

They are a decent mix of 90s/early 2000s ball + today's NBA..

My central issue is that it will kill the post game (the hardest skill to learn and the most "aesthetically pleasing" style to watch) and further marginalize other offensive skills, like dribble drive penetration. I know little Wardell has increased his proficiency in that area, but his skill in that regard is rather uninteresting, since he has an ocean of space to work with. I guess I like when the inside guys (whether the post players or the drivers) set up the outside shooters and/or cutters. It's a more tactical style that actually has to work to break down a defense rather than just freeing yourself up running your defender through an avalanche of screens and chucking a 3.

HarlemHeat37
11-08-2016, 03:32 PM
My central issue is that it will kill the post game (the hardest skill to learn and the most "aesthetically pleasing" style to watch) and further marginalize other offensive skills, like dribble drive penetration. I know little Wardell has increased his proficiency in that area, but his skill in that regard is rather uninteresting, since he has an ocean of space to work with. I guess I like when the inside guys (whether the post players or the drivers) set up the outside shooters and/or cutters. It's a more tactical style that actually has to work to break down a defense rather than just freeing yourself up running your defender through an avalanche of screens and chucking a 3.

I don't think the NBA is ever going to be a post-oriented league again, but I could definitely see big men returning to prominence as the lead stars on teams..

There is a lot of talent at the C position(mostly young, too), at the moment, although most of them are being wasted with shitty supporting casts(Whiteside, Davis, Cousins, Porzingis, Towns, Embiid)..

midnightpulp
11-08-2016, 03:37 PM
I don't think the NBA is ever going to be a post-oriented league again, but I could definitely see big men returning to prominence as the lead stars on teams..

There is a lot of talent at the C position(mostly young, too), at the moment, although most of them are being wasted with shitty supporting casts(Whiteside, Davis, Cousins, Porzingis, Towns, Embiid)..

I think pure dribble-drive beasts like Westbrook might become relics, as well. What's easier and more efficient? Breaking down your defender, dribbling 20 feet in and having to finish over shotblockers? Or dribbling a few feet East or West, waiting for a screen, and just shooting a 3?

HarlemHeat37
11-08-2016, 03:41 PM
I think pure dribble-drive beasts like Westbrook might become relics, as well. What's easier and more efficient? Breaking down your defender, dribbling 20 feet in and having to finish over shotblockers? Or dribbling a few feet East or West, waiting for a screen, and just shooting a 3?

Nothing lasts that long in the NBA, tbh..in the case of the Warriors, there's a reason that the other contenders are building rosters to counter them, rather than playing the same style..

It's not necessarily that their style is going to vanish, but it's also virtually impossible to replicate at a contending level..teams like Portland that are attempting to build a roster with the same style are foolish IMO..

DMC
11-08-2016, 03:43 PM
:lol Klay Thompaon
:lol Nick ANderson with bleach

Gay Tampon

Molotov
11-08-2016, 04:12 PM
Depends, I guess..the Cavs shoot a ton of 3s, too, but they blend in some ISOball, as well..

They are a decent mix of 90s/early 2000s ball + today's NBA..


Cavs threes are more opportunistic, though, once other aspects of game are established. It's not like they come down the court and chuck up a three on every possession, like faggot Warriors do.

Chris
11-08-2016, 04:16 PM
Cavs threes are more opportunistic, though, once other aspects of game are established. It's not like they come down the court and chuck up a three on every possession, like faggot Warriors do.

They gonna miss that little nig Dellavedova imo He could run the point and made a ton of clutch 3's for them last season.

Molotov
11-08-2016, 05:23 PM
They gonna miss that little nig Dellavedova imo He could run the point and made a ton of clutch 3's for them last season.


Maybe, I think this Cavs team is definetly favorite to repeat, they kept that all important championship chemistry, even forked out the cash to keep that crazy friend killer nig, JR. Also, they play 90s ball which has proven over and over as the most efficient play style in winning titles.