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baseline bum
11-09-2016, 08:52 AM
So Clinton should have been axed the second she lost Michigan to Bernie. Thanks DNC you fucking cocksuckers.
boutons_deux
11-09-2016, 09:02 AM
So Clinton should have been axed the second she lost Michigan to Bernie. Thanks DNC you fucking cocksuckers.
Dem establishment, I'm not making excuses, was in a no-win position. Keep supporting unpopular, "crooked" Dem Hillary (which looked like a no-brainer until last night, "everybody", including Repugs, said), or go with non-Dem "most popular politician" Bernie.
Warlord23
11-09-2016, 09:13 AM
As I said in the other thread, hopefully the Dems remember this ass-kicking and remake the party around the Sanders crowd.
Obama managed to navigate the thin line between making slow, incremental change and advancing corporate interests by being charismatic and scandal-free. Hillary is 10X the corporate whore and would have left a Dubya-type stain on the brand. Better to put Trump + GOP on the spot for 4 years and see if they can fulfill even half of the ridiculous promises he made. Reload the grassroots org and try to win over the working class.
baseline bum
11-09-2016, 09:20 AM
As I said in the other thread, hopefully the Dems remember this ass-kicking and remake the party around the Sanders crowd.
Obama managed to navigate the thin line between making slow, incremental change and advancing corporate interests by being charismatic and scandal-free. Hillary is 10X the corporate whore and would have left a Dubya-type stain on the brand. Better to put Trump + GOP on the spot for 4 years and see if they can fulfill even half of the ridiculous promises he made. Reload the grassroots org and try to win over the working class.
Who are the Democrats running in 2020? Senator Warren?
Chinook
11-09-2016, 09:21 AM
I think Michigan will become the new Ohio, at least for Dems. And they really should have a system where states that didn't vote for Dems the last cycle get fewer delegates and then even fewer for each repeated loss. And then do something similar for wins, except only reward it to a point. If you have the delegation disproportionately made up of swing-state delegates, you'd get a better GenEl candidate.
And for the love of fucking god, get rid of superdelegates.
Chinook
11-09-2016, 09:22 AM
Who are the Democrats running in 2020? Senator Warren?
Hopefully not that NJ senator they were pimping around. Maybe Castro is he can get his act together?
boutons_deux
11-09-2016, 09:22 AM
Reload the grassroots org and try to win over the working class.
Trash's base will still be revolting when they realize the Repugs will make their lives worse, not better, over the next 4 or 8 years, just as the Repugs have for the past 40 years.
SpursforSix
11-09-2016, 09:26 AM
As I said in the other thread, hopefully the Dems remember this ass-kicking and remake the party around the Sanders crowd.
Obama managed to navigate the thin line between making slow, incremental change and advancing corporate interests by being charismatic and scandal-free. Hillary is 10X the corporate whore and would have left a Dubya-type stain on the brand. Better to put Trump + GOP on the spot for 4 years and see if they can fulfill even half of the ridiculous promises he made. Reload the grassroots org and try to win over the working class.
I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be as socially conservative as many Republicans hope. All candidates make ridiculous promises.
boutons_deux
11-09-2016, 09:30 AM
I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be as socially conservative as many Republicans hope. All candidates make ridiculous promises.
Trash doesn't give a fuck about anything but his sicko ego and his wealth.
He'll do whatever the Repugs tell him to do, a Useful Idiot just like dubya.
It's hilarious that people say their is a huge chasm between Trash and the Repug establishment, that he has destroyed the Repug party. It's all bullshit.
Warlord23
11-09-2016, 09:30 AM
Who are the Democrats running in 2020? Senator Warren?
She's certainly an option, although she'll be 71 by then. Michelle Obama ticks all the boxes, but reportedly doesn't want it. Cuomo (NY Gov), Booker (D-NJ) are corporate stooges. Could be a dark horse like Tulsi Gabbard, or someone with executive experience like the Colorado governor
Warlord23
11-09-2016, 09:35 AM
I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be as socially conservative as many Republicans hope. All candidates make ridiculous promises.
Oh I agree - he's not going to go all Mike Pence on social issues. I'm more interested in his other domestic policies. He managed to give simplistic answers (35% tax on Chinese imports, renegotiate trade deals, build the wall, replace Obamacare with health savings accounts and cross-state insurance while covering poor people etc) to very complex problems. None of those things is practical though, and if he is the vehicle to get people to understand the challenges better, so be it
SpursforSix
11-09-2016, 09:36 AM
Trash doesn't give a fuck about anything but his sicko ego and his wealth.
He'll do whatever the Repugs tell him to do, a Useful Idiot just like dubya.
It's hilarious that people say their is a huge chasm between Trash and the Repug establishment, that he has destroyed the Repug party. It's all bullshit.
We'll see. He's going to get his chance just like Obama. I didn't vote for Obama but when he won, I had sincere hope that he would make things better. I'll be the same with Trump.
Unlike yourself who just likes to wallow in negativity.
With all your VRWC and shit, I can't believe you would have wanted Hillary to win. She's in bed with the same BigCorp, BigPharma, BigAg as Bush was.
SpursforSix
11-09-2016, 09:37 AM
Oh I agree - he's not going to go all Mike Pence on social issues. I'm more interested in his other domestic policies. He managed to give simplistic answers (35% tax on Chinese imports, renegotiate trade deals, build the wall, replace Obamacare with health savings accounts and cross-state insurance while covering poor people etc) to very complex problems. None of those things is practical though, and if he is the vehicle to get people to understand the challenges better, so be it
And I agree with you. I hope that he surrounds himself with experts in all these areas. My fear is that he's not going to listen to them.
boutons_deux
11-09-2016, 09:40 AM
"get his chance just like Obama" :lol
Except for ACA, Obama didn't get chance. He was obstructed for 8 years, and all his good stuff by Exec Order will be cancelled by the the Repugs.
Obama inherited The Banksters Great Depression, the Repugs botched, bullshit GWOT, a fucked up Middle East for BigOil, and didn't have Congress or SCOTUS on his side.
The Repugs' "chances" now are much better. They will fuck Trash's voters hard and deep.
SpursforSix
11-09-2016, 09:56 AM
"get his chance just like Obama" :lol
Except for ACA, Obama didn't get chance. He was obstructed for 8 years, and all his good stuff by Exec Order will be cancelled by the the Repugs.
Obama inherited The Banksters Great Depression, the Repugs botched, bullshit GWOT, a fucked up Middle East for BigOil, and didn't have Congress or SCOTUS on his side.
The Repugs' "chances" now are much better. They will fuck Trash's voters hard and deep.
Oh well. You get what you get and don't throw a fit.
florige
11-09-2016, 10:26 AM
And I agree with you. I hope that he surrounds himself with experts in all these areas. My fear is that he's not going to listen to them.
That's what scares me about him. Dem's have no one to blame but themselves for this massive screw up.
Except for ACA, Obama didn't get chance. He was obstructed for 8 years, and all his good stuff by Exec Order will be cancelled by the the Repugs.
I know you're supposed to be from France and all... but he had a Democrat House AND Senate for his first two fucking years. And he pissed it away. And he pissed on so many people that, yes, they pissed right back after taking the House. Guinea pigs and Barack Obama - the only two creatures that will shit in their own supper dish.
But, yeah, virtually ALL of his heavy-handed executive order bullshit will get cancelled.
I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!!
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Fabbs
11-09-2016, 10:32 AM
Bernie got f'd
Bernie then caved in and allowed himself to be f'd by his support for Shillary.
boutons_deux
11-09-2016, 10:33 AM
"he had a Democrat House AND Senate for his first two fucking years"
Obama didn't have 60 in the Senate, Lieberman was independent, and blocked public option,
the Dems get some stuff done, with almost total absence of the Repugs
"The 111th Congress had the most experienced members in history: at the start of the 111th Congress, the average member of the House had served 10.3 years, while the average Senator had served 13.4 years.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#cite_note-servicetime-6)
This Congress has been considered one of the most productive Congresses in history in terms of legislation passed since the 89th Congress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_United_States_Congress), during Lyndon Johnson's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson) Great Society (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society).[ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#cite_note-7)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#Major_legislation
112th, etc REPUG Congress accomplished almost nothing for the 99%, and obstructed Obama and the Dems.
SpursforSix
11-09-2016, 10:35 AM
"he had a Democrat House AND Senate for his first two fucking years"
Obama didn't have 60 in the Senate, Lieberman was independent, and blocked public option,
the Dems get some stuff done, with almost total absence of the Repugs
"The 111th Congress had the most experienced members in history: at the start of the 111th Congress, the average member of the House had served 10.3 years, while the average Senator had served 13.4 years.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#cite_note-servicetime-6)
This Congress has been considered one of the most productive Congresses in history in terms of legislation passed since the 89th Congress (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_United_States_Congress), during Lyndon Johnson's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson)Great Society (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society).[ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#cite_note-7)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#Major_legislation
112th, etc REPUG Congress accomplished almost nothing for the 99%, and obstructed Obama and the Dems.
Oh well...you get what you get and don't throw a fit.
SpursforSix
11-09-2016, 10:37 AM
That's what scares me about him. Dem's have no one to blame but themselves for this massive screw up.
The range of potential outcomes is scary. But I do believe there's a chance he can make things better. Unlike some on here, I'm not going to spend my energy hoping he fails.
Clipper Nation
11-09-2016, 10:37 AM
I have a feeling that Trump is not going to be as socially conservative as many Republicans hope. All candidates make ridiculous promises.
He won't be, but we don't care. If social conservatism was that important anymore, Lyin' Ted would have been the nominee - and Hillary would be president-elect right now.
Obama didn't have 60 in the Senate, Lieberman was independent, and blocked public option,
Oh, really? He didn't have a fucking super-majority? You think? That's why he needed to work with the other side, instead of trying to be a steamroller. He lives in the same bubble you do.
LOL... all you fucktards who thought he got elected emperor. :lol
boutons_deux
11-09-2016, 10:41 AM
"He didn't have a fucking super-majority?"
nope
"He didn't have a fucking super-majority?"
nope
OMG!!! :lol Sorry I didn't put that in blue for you.
Tell yourself whatever you need to. I think Trump is a carnival barker, but I'm still going to laugh at people like you whining for the next four years, no matter what happens. Save up some of those tears, and we'll make margaritas.
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baseline bum
11-09-2016, 10:54 AM
Minimum wage got raised in fucking Arizona of all places last night. The Democrats could have easily won the election had they not nominated that fucking piece of shit.
florige
11-09-2016, 10:57 AM
Minimum wage got raised in fucking Arizona of all places last night. The Democrats could have easily won the election had they not nominated that fucking piece of shit.
The DNC really messed up. I always had a lingering fear that not enough Bernie supporters would cross over to her. Freaking sad man.
boutons_deux
11-09-2016, 10:59 AM
The DNC really messed up. I always had a lingering fear that not enough Bernie supporters would cross over to her. Freaking sad man.
The DNC establishment went with whomever would elevate THEM if elected. Establishment Hillary was clearly that person.
baseline bum
11-09-2016, 11:00 AM
I hope this is the last we ever hear of Clinton.
Chinook
11-09-2016, 11:05 AM
I know you're supposed to be from France and all...
Oh shit. That explains so much...
spursistan
11-09-2016, 12:24 PM
This election also reaffirms the historical superiority of the GOP electoral machine and ground game over the Dems'..The Obama interregnum was more about the inimitable personal appeal of a candidate than any upgrade in DNC game..
This wasn't a choke; it was a curb-stomp of epic proportions. Truman was a sitting POTUS when he made his unprobable comeback on Dewey..She got fuckin thumped by reality show buffoon with zero political experience who didn't even need ISIS helping, terrorist hand to do it..
DNC gross miscalculation of how detestable and flawed Hillary the candidate would be was simply inexcusable..
spurraider21
11-09-2016, 01:18 PM
She's certainly an option, although she'll be 71 by then. Michelle Obama ticks all the boxes, but reportedly doesn't want it. Cuomo (NY Gov), Booker (D-NJ) are corporate stooges. Could be a dark horse like Tulsi Gabbard, or someone with executive experience like the Colorado governori thought booker's DNC speech was overrated... and that's what a lot of people are basing his potential candidacy off of
ducks
11-09-2016, 01:40 PM
maybe j saying the n and f you on stage was not such a good idea
Chinook
11-09-2016, 01:42 PM
i thought booker's DNC speech was overrated... and that's what a lot of people are basing his potential candidacy off of
Nah, it's his skin color.
spursistan
11-09-2016, 03:27 PM
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Great read..
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dabom
11-09-2016, 03:36 PM
Bernie fans can stfu for all I care. Bunch of crying losers. Voting against their ideas. :lmao
Dumbass faggots think he is gonna get a shot next year. :lmao
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 03:41 PM
Trumps got you all over a barrel, reality set in yet? There is literally nothing you can do
he has total control and I hear he has a big dick
SnakeBoy
11-09-2016, 03:44 PM
I hope this is the last we ever hear of Clinton.
:lol don't you know the Clintons never die and never go away
I hope this is the last we ever hear of Clinton.
I don't know... a "Breaking News.. Plane Crashed Shortly After Takeoff" wouldn't be bad.
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 03:48 PM
:lol don't you know the Clintons never die and never go away
She's old and broken down, highly doubt she lives 4 more years with the seizures and all. And Chelsea is a total dope and isn't even a Clinton (web hubbell is her real father) they're done
Trumps got you all over a barrel, reality set in yet? There is literally nothing you can do
he has total control and I hear he has a big dick
Trump walked right up to them, without their permissions, and grabbed their pussies.
spurraider21
11-09-2016, 03:49 PM
:lmao
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Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 03:49 PM
Unless bill goes and fucks him some more hoez and has more bastards at 70 years old were good
Clipper Nation
11-09-2016, 03:50 PM
I hope this is the last we ever hear of Clinton.
I don't. I hope the last we hear of Clinton is when Trump personally escorts both her and her hubby on their perp walk to jail. I hope he sells tickets so a large crowd can show up to boo the fuck out of them.
I don't. I hope the last we hear of Clinton is when Trump personally escorts both her and her hubby on their perp walk to jail. I hope he sells tickets so a large crowd can show up to boo the fuck out of them.
Trump's got more important things to do than going after Hillary. As long as she goes gracefully into retirement (no more office/selling favors), just let it go.
RD2191
11-09-2016, 03:56 PM
Bernie fans can stfu for all I care. Bunch of crying losers. Voting against their ideas. :lmao
Dumbass faggots think he is gonna get a shot next year. :lmao
Tbh. Old bastard will probably be dead soon.
Clipper Nation
11-09-2016, 03:57 PM
Trump's got more important things to do than going after Hillary. As long as she goes gracefully into retirement (no more office/selling favors), just let it go.
That special prosecutor that Trump mentioned during one of the debates is still on the table:
http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/trump-camp-leaves-door-open-to-special-prosecutor-for-clinton/
That special prosecutor that Trump mentioned during one of the debates is still on the table:
http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/trump-camp-leaves-door-open-to-special-prosecutor-for-clinton/
As much as I would personally like for Hillary to pay for all the stuff she's done, going after her will not UNIFY the country as Trump says he wants to do. Use this honeymoon period to get as much passed as possible. He only has 2 years until another election.
SnakeBoy
11-09-2016, 05:30 PM
As much as I would personally like for Hillary to pay for all the stuff she's done, going after her will not UNIFY the country as Trump says he wants to do. Use this honeymoon period to get as much passed as possible. He only has 2 years until another election.
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