View Full Version : Van Jones' parting shot at whitey
DarrinS
11-09-2016, 11:06 AM
I guess if you drink from the dog whistle koolaid fountain long enough, this is the only explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4bfMbvRuow
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 11:10 AM
Guy is a racist condescending prick, lecturing all of us for exercising our right to vote. It wasn't just whites who voted for trump, it was all kinds of people. And did 97% of blacks not vote for obama because of his race? And was that not to the detriment of millions of white Americans who hated his agenda and wanted something different for our nation? So why is he complaining now and making it about race since his hoe lost?
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 11:26 AM
The need for racial fear might be overblown in the aftermath of Trump's win, though I understand what Jones is saying there, too. (It's interesting that the way to dismiss his point is to question the messenger and not the message itself; as if only a perfect spokesperson can make a valid point on a controversial issue).
But I think that there are legitimate concerns in the LGBT community and in minority religious groups that their recent social gains towards equal footing in American society are now quite vulnerable. Not necessarily because Trump has said it, but because many in what is now the majority party have said such things and because Trump seems perfectly willing to do whatever is necessary to placate his base.
ducks
11-09-2016, 11:46 AM
van jones is a racist
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 11:59 AM
The need for racial fear might be overblown in the aftermath of Trump's win, though I understand what Jones is saying there, too. (It's interesting that the way to dismiss his point is to question the messenger and not the message itself; as if only a perfect spokesperson can make a valid point on a controversial issue).
But I think that there are legitimate concerns in the LGBT community and in minority religious groups that their recent social gains towards equal footing in American society are now quite vulnerable. Not necessarily because Trump has said it, but because many in what is now the majority party have said such things and because Trump seems perfectly willing to do whatever is necessary to placate his base.
why? Trump has spoken about the need to protect gays from terrorists coming into this country and attacking them like in Orlando. A lot of gays voted for trump because if that attack. People are just butthurt and being hysterical. Is anyone actually booking their flight right now? They aren't really scared for physical safety, just scared for the social change the trump revolution will bring. They hate old original Christian hard working America
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 12:20 PM
why? Trump has spoken about the need to protect gays from terrorists coming into this country and attacking them like in Orlando. A lot of gays voted for trump because if that attack. People are just butthurt and being hysterical. Is anyone actually booking their flight right now? They aren't really scared for physical safety, just scared for the social change the trump revolution will bring. They hate old original Christian hard working America
So when Senator Cruz is able to pass a law that seriously interferes with the right to same-sex marriage, you think President Trump will just veto it?
ElNono
11-09-2016, 12:25 PM
So when Senator Cruz is able to pass a law that seriously interferes with the right to same-sex marriage, you think President Trump will just veto it?
And the Supreme Court will not be there save the day either...
But when that time comes, the blame should squarely fall with the Dems, IMO, they were cocky and shortsighted to think a horrible candidate like Shillary could still pull it off.
AaronY
11-09-2016, 12:25 PM
It is beyond true though that many whites were voting against immigration and the increasing ratio of minorities in this country. Surprised anyone would even bother to pretend different
Chinook
11-09-2016, 12:29 PM
And the Supreme Court will not be there save the day either...
But when that time comes, the blame should squarely fall with the Dems, IMO, they were cocky and shortsighted to think a horrible candidate like Shillary could still pull it off.
:cry It was her turn tho :cry
Just that very notion was sickening. It really made you come to grips that we've been ruled by an oligarchy this whole time, only voting for people they approved of. I am glad someone turned that on its ear. I hope it keeps happening, though I hope the people who do it turn out to be better than it think Trump will be.
dabom
11-09-2016, 12:30 PM
And the Supreme Court will not be there save the day either...
But when that time comes, the blame should squarely fall with the Dems, IMO, they were cocky and shortsighted to think a horrible candidate like Shillary could still pull it off.
Stop being a dumbass seriously.
clambake
11-09-2016, 12:32 PM
Stop being a dumbass seriously.
wut?
hater
11-09-2016, 12:35 PM
He can go bac to Timbuktu
dabom
11-09-2016, 12:37 PM
wut?
Keeps denigrating Hillary. People need to stop with the shtick. It gives more fuel to the Republicans that think both candidates are both just as bad. That can't be further from the truth. This isn't just a basketball game. This is real like consequences. It's not funny and will never be funny.
PublicOption
11-09-2016, 12:39 PM
TPP+racists........Trump.
Bernie would have killed him.
Chinook
11-09-2016, 12:40 PM
Yeah, if we keep messing around, she might not get elected...
clambake
11-09-2016, 12:40 PM
This isn't just a basketball game. This is real like consequences. It's not funny and will never be funny.
he was referring to real life consequences.
dabom
11-09-2016, 12:42 PM
he was referring to real life consequences.
Look at the bolded.
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 01:01 PM
So when Senator Cruz is able to pass a law that seriously interferes with the right to same-sex marriage, you think President Trump will just veto it?
Im worried about the majority, atomization of our society into small little interest groups is bad. We need an identity and gay isn't it
The need for racial fear might be overblown in the aftermath of Trump's win, though I understand what Jones is saying there, too. (It's interesting that the way to dismiss his point is to question the messenger and not the message itself; as if only a perfect spokesperson can make a valid point on a controversial issue).
But I think that there are legitimate concerns in the LGBT community and in minority religious groups that their recent social gains towards equal footing in American society are now quite vulnerable. Not necessarily because Trump has said it, but because many in what is now the majority party have said such things and because Trump seems perfectly willing to do whatever is necessary to placate his base.
You truly don't get it. Identity politics is precisely what precipitates the backlash. That way of viewing the world is what enables the rise of people like Trump. It's a bankrupt world view and not a good agent for change.
spurraider21
11-09-2016, 01:07 PM
van jones is a racistdoes he believe black people are superior to white people?
dbestpro
11-09-2016, 01:11 PM
This is the type of garbage that reinforces everyone's vote for Trump. You can't expect to insult the customer, and then complain when they don't buy your product.
baseline bum
11-09-2016, 01:11 PM
Keeps denigrating Hillary. People need to stop with the shtick. It gives more fuel to the Republicans that think both candidates are both just as bad. That can't be further from the truth. This isn't just a basketball game. This is real like consequences. It's not funny and will never be funny.
Fuck Crooked Hillary.
Chinook
11-09-2016, 01:13 PM
does he believe black people are superior to white people?
He does if Ducks says he does. Ducks deserves the benefit of the doubt right now.
ducks
11-09-2016, 01:33 PM
does he believe black people are superior to white people?
I think he does
dabom
11-09-2016, 01:44 PM
Fuck Crooked Hillary.
Fuck you faggot. :lmao
DPG21920
11-09-2016, 01:46 PM
Even suggesting that Trump won because whites hated the progress being made is racist at worst and fear-mongering at best.
There is no doubt had Obama been allowed to run again he would have won so that eliminates that line of logic.
So racist old white America that somehow accidentally elected a black president (twice) after 8 years just said "welp we gave this whole equal opportunity thing a shot and nope, we hate it?"
Also, with all the complaining and spot light and how bad minoriores have it in today's America doesn't that wildly contradict the now saying "all the progress is set back to slavery!!"
What progress? I don't see BLM talking about progress made (unless I missed it)
DPG21920
11-09-2016, 01:48 PM
I thought Van Jones was so well spoken and had many great insights but this was a shameful spotlight grab to pander and elevate his catch phrase (he's using it like a marketing tool).
It also shows the absolutely terrible issues within the DEMs failing to even see why they lost to Donald freakin Trump.
DarrinS
11-09-2016, 01:49 PM
Trump got more black and Hispanic votes than Romney.
Chris
11-09-2016, 01:51 PM
Race baiting bullshit per par
ducks
11-09-2016, 01:52 PM
I thought Van Jones was so well spoken and had many great insights but this was a shameful spotlight grab to pander and elevate his catch phrase (he's using it like a marketing tool).
It also shows the absolutely terrible issues within the DEMs failing to even see why they lost to Donald freakin Trump.
he said trump had a chance in the rust belt states to win
democrats laughed at him
van is ok but last night he was WAY Over the top
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 02:28 PM
You truly don't get it. Identity politics is precisely what precipitates the backlash. That way of viewing the world is what enables the rise of people like Trump. It's a bankrupt world view and not a good agent for change.
Wait, how is a hope that we won't return to discriminating against particular groups of people an exercise in "identity politics?"
They've been historically discriminated against, that's a fact. They have recently made progress in overcoming that discrimination, that's a fact. There's a legitimate concern that those advancements might be undone, which creates a legitimate fear, largely because Republican congressmen have suggested that they want to pass laws that will undo those advancements. That, in my view, would be a bad thing for our society.
In specifically targeting those advancements, are the Republicans engaging in identity politics, too, in your view?
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 02:29 PM
Im worried about the majority, atomization of our society into small little interest groups is bad. We need an identity and gay isn't it
So what would you do about that? Allow any discrimination that the majority wishes to impose?
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 02:40 PM
So what would you do about that? Allow any discrimination that the majority wishes to impose?
No, I don't believe government should be involved in marriage that's a religious institution. Let them form legal unions and get the same tax benefits or whatever but don't glorify homosexuality. Homosexuality weakens the nation via divisions and lowered birth rates but im not going to micromanage each and every person, they're free to live their lives.
spurraider21
11-09-2016, 02:43 PM
Trump got more black and Hispanic votes than Romney.trump wasn't running against a black candidate :lol
Wait, how is a hope that we won't return to discriminating against particular groups of people an exercise in "identity politics?"
They've been historically discriminated against, that's a fact. They have recently made progress in overcoming that discrimination, that's a fact. There's a legitimate concern that those advancements might be undone, which creates a legitimate fear, largely because Republican congressmen have suggested that they want to pass laws that will undo those advancements. That, in my view, would be a bad thing for our society.
In specifically targeting those advancements, are the Republicans engaging in identity politics, too, in your view?
I was more focused on your tepid defense of the comments made in the OP. I take no issue with the actual history of discrimination. I do take issue with the notion of a "white-lash" that ascribes fault in a disenguine way.
Trying to pigeonhole me as a republican defender ain't going to work either. They, as well as team blue, can be wrong at the same time.
Warlord23
11-09-2016, 02:49 PM
No, I don't believe government should be involved in marriage that's a religious institution. Let them form legal unions and get the same tax benefits or whatever but don't glorify homosexuality. Homosexuality weakens the nation via divisions and lowered birth rates but im not going to micromanage each and every person, they're free to live their lives.
Marriage and homosexuality both preceded religion, especially the 3 Abrahamic ones.
Also, not sure how gay marriage weakens you. How are you specifically affected when you see 2 men getting married? Do you have bad thoughts or experience latent urges? Maybe see a therapist instead of trying to ask the government to create a safe space for you.
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 02:49 PM
I was more focused on your tepid defense of the comments made in the OP. I take no issue with the actual history of discrimination. I do take issue with the notion of a "white-lash" that ascribes fault in a disenguine way.
Trying to pigeonhole me as a republican defender ain't going to work either. They, as well as team blue, can be wrong at the same time.
I'm not trying to pigeonhole you as anything. I'm trying to figure out why you criticized me for engaging in identity politics when my sole point was to urge that re-normalizing discrimination would be a bad thing.
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 02:50 PM
safe space
You all (leftists) do it and coined the term. Sucks doesn't it
I'm not trying to pigeonhole you as anything. I'm trying to figure out why you criticized me for engaging in identity politics when my sole point was to urge that re-normalizing discrimination would be a bad thing.
Maybe I misunderstood you. Do you agree or disagree with Van Jones' "white lash" comment?
Warlord23
11-09-2016, 02:52 PM
You all (leftists) do it and coined the term. Sucks doesn't it
Never mind who coined the term. Take some personal responsibility and sort out your issues before whining to your government.
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 02:55 PM
Never mind who coined the term. Take some personal responsibility and sort out your issues before whining to your government.
Ironic, you believe the government is the answer to everything. You're smeagol from lord of the rings, I have your preciousssss
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 03:01 PM
Maybe I misunderstood you. Do you agree or disagree with Van Jones' "white lash" comment?
As I said before, I think the racial part of that is overblown.
But Jones didn't just talk about race last night, and that's the part that I decided to talk about. He observed that the outcome of the election has fostered fear in a number of groups and I think that's pretty much both a spot on observation and a well-founded concern about the way a Republican government seems likely to try to function.
HarlemHeat37
11-09-2016, 03:08 PM
The white man's opinion on America isn't going to change following Trump's victory, tbh..the only difference is that they will be more vocal about it, rather than keeping it to themselves(excluding anonymous posters on the internet)..
That's what I never understood about the Liberal coverage of this election..just because they aren't making their hate and fear public, you can't act like it doesn't exist:lol
As I've been saying since the beginning, I'll take the racists that don't lie to my face, rather than the racists that act like we mean something to them..
Warlord23
11-09-2016, 03:10 PM
Ironic, you believe the government is the answer to everything. You're smeagol from lord of the rings, I have your preciousssss
You can project your views on me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that on this particular issue, you want government to step in and tend to your delicate sensibilities. You call yourself conservative, man up and take personal responsibility. Don't go whining to Daddy Trump for protection.
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 03:16 PM
Conservative means conserving our way of life including our morality and homosexuality isn't a part of that sorry not sorry
and i I really don't like the word conservative, I'm a traditionalist
DarrinS
11-09-2016, 03:23 PM
Just continuing the deplorables narrative, tbh.
Chinook
11-09-2016, 03:25 PM
Just continuing the deplorables narrative, tbh.
Talk about words to regret. Makes 47 percent seem like a compliment.
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 03:26 PM
Conservative means conserving our way of life including our morality and homosexuality isn't a part of that sorry not sorry
and i I really don't like the word conservative, I'm a traditionalist
Racial and gender discrimination is traditional. Are you for that?
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 03:33 PM
Racial and gender discrimination is traditional. Are you for that?
Im for racial ethnostates but I'd never discriminate against our lovely women without whom the earth doesn't spin.
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 03:34 PM
Im for racial ethnostates
But you're not a racist, right?
Axl Rose
11-09-2016, 03:37 PM
No, I don't hate or want to hurt anyone and it's for their own good and ours. Diverse communities are more happy and cohesive, I don't want to be around to oppress them.
RD2191
11-09-2016, 04:37 PM
Fuck Crooked Hillary.
Yeah, Hillary is probably crooked, but do you honestly believe Trump isn't? Come on man.
baseline bum
11-09-2016, 04:47 PM
Yeah, Hillary is probably crooked, but do you honestly believe Trump isn't? Come on man.
Fuck Crooked Donald too.
Chucho
11-09-2016, 04:51 PM
So when Senator Cruz is able to pass a law that seriously interferes with the right to same-sex marriage, you think President Trump will just veto it?
So you think he wont because...?
Oh that's right...he's a sick monster, who hasn't done anything yet, and you are sooooooooo enlightened and in-the-know that you can condescend to someone because you are 100% right? Kinda like last night, huh??
It is beyond true though that many whites were voting against immigration and the increasing ratio of minorities in this country. Surprised anyone would even bother to pretend different
That's a safe zone generalized statement with zero backbone. Many people voted for many reasons, it doesn't mean the election was decided by those reasons or anything to do with race. I'd say Syrian refugees played as large a part in the turnout as did illegal Mexicans.
Chucho
11-09-2016, 04:52 PM
Yeah, Hillary is probably crooked, but do you honestly believe Trump isn't? Come on man.
Not anywhere near Hillary levels. She is a career politician who has had political scandals follow her at EVERY turn of her career. If you can compare career political corruption to shady business dealings, you just might be retarded, hardcore biased or hardcore biased and retarded.
Yeah, Hillary is probably crooked, but do you honestly believe Trump isn't? Come on man.
Relax, Trump said there would be millions of jobs for people who work outdoors with their hands.
baseline bum
11-09-2016, 04:57 PM
So you think he wont because...?
Oh that's right...he's a sick monster, who hasn't done anything yet, and you are sooooooooo enlightened and in-the-know that you can condescend to someone because you are 100% right? Kinda like last night, huh??
So he's going to veto it?
FromWayDowntown
11-09-2016, 04:58 PM
So you think he wont because...?
Oh that's right...he's a sick monster, who hasn't done anything yet, and you are sooooooooo enlightened and in-the-know that you can condescend to someone because you are 100% right? Kinda like last night, huh??
Yes, you're right. Mr. Trump has shown absolutely no willingness to say or do whatever it takes to keep his base happy. And the Republican base has expressed no interest whatsoever in outlawing same-sex marriage.
And he didn't immediately criticize SCOTUS for its decision in Obergefell:
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Spurminator
11-09-2016, 05:11 PM
Talk about words to regret. Makes 47 percent seem like a compliment.
Amazing that one person said they'd vote for Trump even if he shot someone in the middle of the street, the other said half of them were deplorable, and the LATTER is what made them mad.
RD2191
11-09-2016, 05:14 PM
Not anywhere near Hillary levels. She is a career politician who has had political scandals follow her at EVERY turn of her career. If you can compare career political corruption to shady business dealings, you just might be retarded, hardcore biased or hardcore biased and retarded.
A crooked piece of shit is a crooked piece of shit. Don't be a hypocrite and call Donald what he really is.
Clipper Nation
11-09-2016, 05:14 PM
Wait, how is a hope that we won't return to discriminating against particular groups of people an exercise in "identity politics?"
They've been historically discriminated against, that's a fact. They have recently made progress in overcoming that discrimination, that's a fact. There's a legitimate concern that those advancements might be undone, which creates a legitimate fear, largely because Republican congressmen have suggested that they want to pass laws that will undo those advancements. That, in my view, would be a bad thing for our society.
In specifically targeting those advancements, are the Republicans engaging in identity politics, too, in your view?
Oh please. Hillary's identity politics had nothing to do with "discrimination." Her campaign demonized anyone who disagreed with their agenda, labeling them as "racists," "sexists," and "fascists." Flinging insults at the majority of Americans is not a winning strategy, as Hillary just learned the hard way. And ironically, by overusing those words, she's trivialized them and only made it harder to combat actual racism, fascism, and sexism when it happens.
Trump is quite pro-LGBT as far as Republicans go. During his campaign, he stood against many in his own party by telling the base that gay marriage is a settled issue and that transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want (it's still ridiculous that the left made that a major campaign issue, BTW). He also fought against the Democrats' and RINOs' zeal to import tons of barely-vetted refugees from countries with horrible track records on LGBT rights. It's also worth pointing out that the deciding vote on Obergefell v. Hodges was cast by a conservative Reagan appointee. Attitudes are starting to change in the GOP, and the old social-conservative dinosaurs are losing their grip.
Chinook
11-09-2016, 05:17 PM
Amazing that one person said they'd vote for Trump even if he shot someone in the middle of the street, the other said half of them were deplorable, and the LATTER is what made them mad.
The issue is that one didn't realize exactly how many people they were panning. The other was just dropping truth nuggets.
Chinook
11-09-2016, 05:21 PM
Oh please. Hillary's identity politics had nothing to do with "discrimination." Her campaign demonized anyone who disagreed with their agenda, labeling them as "racists," "sexists," and "fascists."
The one that pisses me off the most is the "ignorant" label. Like if you just read a bit more, you'd totally buy all the shit they were selling. It's kind of hard to have a discussion with someone when they're coming at you with the attitude that you're just too stupid to agree with them.
Trump is quite pro-LGBT as far as Republicans go. During his campaign, he stood against many in his own party by telling the base that gay marriage is a settled issue and that transgender people should be able to use whatever bathroom they want (it's still ridiculous that the left made that a major campaign issue, BTW). He also fought against the Democrats' and RINOs' zeal to import tons of barely-vetted refugees from countries with horrible track records on LGBT rights. It's also worth pointing out that the deciding vote on Obergefell v. Hodges was cast by a conservative Reagan appointee. Attitudes are starting to change in the GOP, and the old social-conservative dinosaurs are losing their grip.
Maybe more importantly, I think Trump will try to dodge those social wasp nests if he can. No one REALLY wants to be the president who ends Roe or destroys marriage equality. Or the one who starts a near genocide by deporting thousands of people.
RGMCSE
11-09-2016, 05:23 PM
A crooked piece of shit is a crooked piece of shit. Don't be a hypocrite and call Donald what he really is.
President of the United States of America mother fucka!!!:rollin
Chucho
11-09-2016, 05:31 PM
You can project your views on me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that on this particular issue, you want government to step in and tend to your delicate sensibilities. You call yourself conservative, man up and take personal responsibility. Don't go whining to Daddy Trump for protection.
LOL "delicate sensibilities". You've either no hint of irony of a Liberal condescending to a Conservative about the fucking Government stepping in on their behalf...
Kinda like Bernites wanted Bernie to:
Give them free college
Give them free healthcare
Higher wages
Kill babies
Say we can't teach religion due to lack of scientific basis but can teach transgenderism, which there is no factual or scientific basis.
LOFUCKINGL. The audacity of your hypocrisy is astonishing.
Chucho
11-09-2016, 05:37 PM
A crooked piece of shit is a crooked piece of shit. Don't be a hypocrite and call Donald what he really is.
LOL. Butthurt,bruh? Get over it, your criminal lost. You don't have to feel bad about supporting a murdering, treacherous racist criminal, she lost. Your soul is exonerated so you don't have to feel like a dick just because you did the dick thing and supported the most deplorable, crooked candidate ever.
Warlord23
11-09-2016, 05:44 PM
LOL "delicate sensibilities". You've either no hint of irony of a Liberal condescending to a Conservative about the fucking Government stepping in on their behalf...
Kinda like Bernites wanted Bernie to:
Give them free college
Give them free healthcare
Higher wages
Kill babies
Say we can't teach religion due to lack of scientific basis but can teach transgenderism, which there is no factual or scientific basis.
LOFUCKINGL. The audacity of your hypocrisy is astonishing.
I go by the principle of "live and let live". I don't care what deity someone else worships, who they sleep with, what their opinions are etc as long as they don't break the law or harm other people. I don't want government to limit other people's freedoms. IDK whether you consider that conservative or liberal and I don't care.
Note that I never said "we can't teach religion" - you jumped to that conclusion yourself.
A crooked piece of shit is a crooked piece of shit. Don't be a hypocrite and call Donald what he really is.
45th President of the United States of America
The one that pisses me off the most is the "ignorant" label. Like if you just read a bit more, you'd totally buy all the shit they were selling. It's kind of hard to have a discussion with someone when they're coming at you with the attitude that you're just too stupid to agree with them.
Maybe more importantly, I think Trump will try to dodge those social wasp nests if he can. No one REALLY wants to be the president who ends Roe or destroys marriage equality. Or the one who starts a near genocide by deporting thousands of people.
He's going to focus on trade laws that will benefit his business and by extension others as well. Unlike anyone from the past however many years, Trump is a great business strategist and surrounds himself with smart people. We'll see if he continues that in the WH.
Chinook
11-09-2016, 06:11 PM
He's going to focus on trade laws that will benefit his business and by extension others as well. Unlike anyone from the past however many years, Trump is a great business strategist and surrounds himself with smart people. We'll see if he continues that in the WH.
I'm hoping he can do that while not getting us into a war and doing anything socially that can't be fixed. Let him try to fix the economy. Why not?
I'm hoping he can do that while not getting us into a war and doing anything socially that can't be fixed. Let him try to fix the economy. Why not?
He'd be the first since, I think... Carter that didn't get us into some kind of a war.
boutons_deux
11-09-2016, 06:20 PM
Trash said he would kill all the terrorists and kill their families, based on his mastery of Geneva Convention.
Pelicans78
11-09-2016, 06:22 PM
Trash said he would kill all the terrorists and kill their families, based on his mastery of Geneva Convention.
Are you mad that you're gonna have to pay the same tax rate as a one percenter while working at a minimum wage job?
DarrinS
11-09-2016, 07:48 PM
After further review, its apparent that Hillary lost because blacks didn't go out and vote for her. Trump got less total votes than McCain and Romney. There wasn't some huge white surge.
ElNono
11-09-2016, 08:07 PM
Stop being a dumbass seriously.
Fuck Crooked Hillary.
ElNono
11-09-2016, 08:10 PM
I'm hoping he can do that while not getting us into a war and doing anything socially that can't be fixed. Let him try to fix the economy. Why not?
Well, he ain't abolishing divorce, tbh...
dabom
11-09-2016, 08:14 PM
Faggot. :lmao
Chinook
11-09-2016, 08:30 PM
Well, he ain't abolishing divorce, tbh...
That would be hypocritical.
pgardn
11-09-2016, 08:31 PM
LOL "delicate sensibilities". You've either no hint of irony of a Liberal condescending to a Conservative about the fucking Government stepping in on their behalf...
Kinda like Bernites wanted Bernie to:
Give them free college
Give them free healthcare
Higher wages
Kill babies
Say we can't teach religion due to lack of scientific basis but can teach transgenderism, which there is no factual or scientific basis.
LOFUCKINGL. The audacity of your hypocrisy is astonishing.
See this is the shit I hate.
You give a bunch of legit stuff and then out of the blue...
Say we can't teach religion due to lack of scientific basis but can teach transgenderism, which there is no factual or scientific basis.
WTF does the bolded mean? You have no fckn clue. Teaching what where? Wtf is this foolishness?
Chucho
11-09-2016, 09:41 PM
See this is the shit I hate.
You give a bunch of legit stuff and then out of the blue...
Say we can't teach religion due to lack of scientific basis but can teach transgenderism, which there is no factual or scientific basis.
WTF does the bolded mean? You have no fckn clue. Teaching what where? Wtf is this foolishness?
There are already public schools teaching this, bruh. California is pushing hard to start teaching this to SECOND graders next year. Mind you, most California schools axed arts and electives in the last six years due to budget cutbacks. Washington state is already teaching this. LGBT history in Cali too and they do little to no Hispanic history and absolutely zero Asain history. Good ole Hypocrite U.
Chucho
11-09-2016, 09:44 PM
I go by the principle of "live and let live". I don't care what deity someone else worships, who they sleep with, what their opinions are etc as long as they don't break the law or harm other people. I don't want government to limit other people's freedoms. IDK whether you consider that conservative or liberal and I don't care.
Note that I never said "we can't teach religion" - you jumped to that conclusion yourself.
You didnt comprehend. Im talking about what the major tenants of Bernie's Socialist-Government-in-your-life-100% platform and a lot of the Left shares that same hypocritical sentiment the Left employs when it favors their stances and views.
pgardn
11-09-2016, 09:52 PM
There are already public schools teaching this, bruh. California is pushing hard to start teaching this to SECOND graders next year. Mind you, most California schools axed arts and electives in the last six years due to budget cutbacks. Washington state is already teaching this. LGBT history in Cali too and they do little to no Hispanic history and absolutely zero Asain history. Good ole Hypocrite U.
Teaching what?
What is this?
dav4463
11-10-2016, 01:11 AM
I'm so sorry I was born white. That means I can't disagree with Obama's policies being carried on by Clinton without being a racist. If a black man ran for president and opposed Obama's views, I would gladly vote for him but it hasn't happened. Talk about racist....Jeremiah wright anyone?
Spurminator
11-10-2016, 01:28 AM
After further review, its apparent that Hillary lost because blacks didn't go out and vote for her. Trump got less total votes than McCain and Romney. There wasn't some huge white surge.
4 hour lines have a way of keeping people from voting.
Aztecfan03
11-10-2016, 06:42 AM
does he believe black people are superior to white people?
in a way, yes.
Aztecfan03
11-10-2016, 06:50 AM
That would be hypocritical.
That means it would make perfect sense for him to do it.
Brazil
11-10-2016, 07:33 AM
Keeps denigrating Hillary. People need to stop with the shtick. It gives more fuel to the Republicans that think both candidates are both just as bad. That can't be further from the truth. This isn't just a basketball game. This is real like consequences. It's not funny and will never be funny.
:tu tbh
Warlord23
11-10-2016, 08:08 AM
You didnt comprehend. Im talking about what the major tenants of Bernie's Socialist-Government-in-your-life-100% platform and a lot of the Left shares that same hypocritical sentiment the Left employs when it favors their stances and views.
Well, I wasn't talking about socialist government - so your input was tangential at best to the point I was making.
boutons_deux
11-10-2016, 08:09 AM
Damn uppity knitter needs to STFU, right, white boys?
hater
11-10-2016, 08:48 AM
President of the United States of America mother fucka!!!:rollin
:lol
dabom
11-10-2016, 09:04 AM
:tu tbh
Thanks my dude. :tu
DarrinS
11-10-2016, 11:07 AM
Over 200 counties that Obama won TWICE went to Trump
but, whitelash :lol
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/
DarrinS
11-13-2016, 12:49 PM
Awwwwkward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhL0VGFOzdc
Winehole23
11-13-2016, 02:22 PM
Over 200 counties that Obama won TWICE went to Trump
but, whitelash :lol
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/poor turnout. HRC underperformed 2008 Obama by 10 million votes.
Trump got the least votes of anyone since 2000, and we have 18 million more voters now.
4 hour lines have a way of keeping people from voting.
Doesn't keep them from applying for welfare or foodstamps though.
Jacob1983
11-14-2016, 01:08 AM
People like Van Jones are why Hillary lost. He propped her up as a savior and like she was a lock to be president so of course dumbass Democrats stayed home. He should be blaming himself. He is a bitch too. He acts like he is Jamal and works at McDonald's. It's pathetic. Fucking 1 percenter and bitches like he suffers.
Chinook
11-14-2016, 07:15 AM
Doesn't keep them from applying for welfare or foodstamps though.
Since food and voting are the same thing.
Since food and voting are the same thing.
Of course not. That's my point.
Chinook
11-14-2016, 09:15 AM
Of course not. That's my point.
Like would you vote if you had to sell eight hours of your life a day for 260 days out of the year? Probably not. But most do that to live. Voting shouldn't have that same level of burden. I've never had trouble voting (even in Philly I'd wake up early and be one of the first people in line and get out within like 20 minutes), but if I lived in a state that made it hard, I'd strongly consider not doing it.
Like would you vote if you had to sell eight hours of your life a day for 260 days out of the year? Probably not. But most do that to live. Voting shouldn't have that same level of burden. I've never had trouble voting (even in Philly I'd wake up early and be one of the first people in line and get out within like 20 minutes), but if I lived in a state that made it hard, I'd strongly consider not doing it.
Exactly. But it's not because you don't have a choice. Voting isn't that important. People will wait in line all night for Black Friday. We get nothing for our vote. It's basically a symbolic gesture however in large quantity can cause some change. The same is true for dropping your change into the charity box at a retailer.
There's also early voting.
The fact that so few people actually vote tell me how disconnected most Americans are from the process, since we see no real lasting change.
Chinook
11-14-2016, 10:02 AM
Exactly. But it's not because you don't have a choice. Voting isn't that important. People will wait in line all night for Black Friday. We get nothing for our vote. It's basically a symbolic gesture however in large quantity can cause some change. The same is true for dropping your change into the charity box at a retailer.
There's also early voting.
The fact that so few people actually vote tell me how disconnected most Americans are from the process, since we see no real lasting change.
Honestly, that new TV affects your life much more than your president would. So it's not a bad choice. I go back and forth whether voting should be compulsory or not. I definitely think it should be easier, but I also don't think it should be up to anyone else to drag voters to the polls.
I vote early in Texas. There's a supermarket right down the street from my job, and I just stop there after work, vote, pick up some produce for dinner and head home. It seems too easy to feel sorry for voters who can't do it. But when you have gerrymandering and shit going on, it's clear that the political system is more interesting in sustaining itself than doing its job.
Spurminator
11-14-2016, 10:56 AM
Exactly. But it's not because you don't have a choice. Voting isn't that important. People will wait in line all night for Black Friday. We get nothing for our vote. It's basically a symbolic gesture however in large quantity can cause some change. The same is true for dropping your change into the charity box at a retailer.
There's also early voting.
The fact that so few people actually vote tell me how disconnected most Americans are from the process, since we see no real lasting change.
Macro vs. Micro. The effect of one person choosing not to vote is negligible but scale that up to hundreds or thousands in areas that tend to vote a certain way and you can alter elections.
DarrinS
11-14-2016, 11:09 AM
Macro vs. Micro. The effect of one person choosing not to vote is negligible but scale that up to hundreds or thousands in areas that tend to vote a certain way and you can alter elections.
rigged
RGMCSE
11-14-2016, 11:56 AM
Awwwwkward
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhL0VGFOzdc
The classic interrupt and speak louder tactic. That old lady knew her shit and dude just flat out assumed she knew nothing about what she was saying and she called him out cold and then ran from it. Unreal. You can't talk to the dems. They don't want unity.
Chinook
11-14-2016, 02:21 PM
The classic interrupt and speak louder tactic. That old lady knew her shit and dude just flat out assumed she knew nothing about what she was saying and she called him out cold and then ran from it. Unreal. You can't talk to the dems. They don't want unity.
"YES WE DO!!!!"-Liberals
"YES WE DO!!!!"-Liberals
:lol
Macro vs. Micro. The effect of one person choosing not to vote is negligible but scale that up to hundreds or thousands in areas that tend to vote a certain way and you can alter elections.
Thank you for that. I had no idea.
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