What's our record without Parker?

[313]

Just curious..

[Chris]

It's not good tbh

[apalisoc_9]

Mills has been fine..

its the fact that with Parker out, the spurs is forced to play some dude who barely looks like he belong in the NBA D-league.

[dabom]

You talking about the Playoffs? :lmao

Pretty good.

2014 OKC. :lol

[DeRozan m8]

Just curious..

Same as it would be if he played tbh

[marinoman]

Spurs fans are at a loss when they don't have Parker to blame

[DeRozan m8]

You talking about the Playoffs? :lmao

Pretty good.

2014 OKC. :lol

How about game 7 finals when he shit the bed and missed every shot until the pressure was off then had a nice stat pad

[dabom]

How about game 7 finals when he shit the bed and missed every shot until the pressure was off then had a nice stat pad

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Spurs CLEARLY missing the head of the snake. Aren't even a .500 team without him.

What the fuck do these armchair GM's know tbh

[cjw]

Parker has regressed considerably but the drop off defensively to Mills is noticable and the overall drop off to Nico is huge.

[313]

Same as it would be if he played tbh
http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759

Our two best line ups feature a certain PG

[cjw]

Mills has been fine..

its the fact that with Parker out, the spurs is forced to play some dude who barely looks like he belong in the NBA D-league.

This... really need to move on from him if Murray grows at all this year.

[Splits]

Murray

:lmao the idiots on this board

[cjw]

:lmao the idiots on this board

I didn't say Murray is playing tomorrow. Or in three months. But Nico obviously doesn't belong on an NBA roster and is a placeholder until Murray is ready.

I'd rather go no PG and watch Simmons get torched than Nico get torched.

[TheGreatYacht]

http://stats.nba.com/league/lineups/#!/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759

Our two best line ups feature a certain PG
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/22/article-1359711-0D4CE325000005DC-538_468x298.jpg

[Nathan89]

Murray is a couple years away from being 3rd string caliber.

[TheGreatYacht]

Whatever they paid Parker, it wasn't fucking enough tbh :lol

[raybies]

Murray is a couple years away from being 3rd string caliber.

So he's a a year away from being a year away?

[Nathan89]

So he's a a year away from being a year away?

Exactly.

[Brazil]

Parker is struggling and all but he is 10 times better than lapro dude... Patty is doing fine but we need two PGs in a rotation, with Parker out we have one.

Also a dude that is struggling without him is Aldridge tbh, Parker just spoon feed him on offense pretty much all the time

[benfti]

We need paler back, but I think Patty should play more minutes.

[SASdynasty!]

Lottery-bound. Now maybe people can start to understand why Parker is the winningest player in NBA history (minimum 1,000 games).

[MaNu4Tres]

The team is - 8/ per 100 possessions offensively and +20/ per 100 possessions defensively with Parker on the floor.



Parker is 13th on the team in BPM at a net negative - 4.7 ( Terrible).

Parker has a PER of 5.16

He's avg. 5.5 points on 33% shooting.

You can't get much worse than that.

[pgardn]

Parker is struggling and all but he is 10 times better than lapro dude... Patty is doing fine but we need two PGs in a rotation, with Parker out we have one.

Also a dude that is struggling without him is Aldridge tbh, Parker just spoon feed him on offense pretty much all the time

People have no idea how much easier the "simple" things are in a very difficult position. Patty doing fine is not good enough because he needs to play what he does best. KL wasting his time setting up the offense is not good enough. The opposition cannot play right on top of an Parker, even when he is injured. Parker is given some space at least. He is not crowded into the fetal position.

Parker will supply the necessary ball handling to get to the playoffs. Then we hope for a rash of injuries and misfortunes of opponents. Get Green and KL together on the wings with Parker at the point and we might get a stop on occasion. At the end of the game play whoever has been performering (given that matchup) at point.

Even with the Spurs, pg is a very difficult position night after night, especially once the opposition learn they can play up in your nostrils. This is the NBA, very few people, even with great athletic ability, just walk on the court and become point night after night without eventually getting exposed. Krew don't get it. Never have.

[pgardn]

The team is - 8/ per 100 possessions offensively and +20/ per 100 possessions defensively with Parker on the floor.



Parker is 13th on the team in BPM at a net negative - 4.7 ( Terrible).

Parker has a PER of 5.16

He's avg. 5.5 points on 33% shooting.

You can't get much worse than that.

Yes you can.

You can lose games... When you have players that hide and get no stats when put in a difficult position.

You can lose Many games when you don't have a pg.
The first stat you go to is W//L.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yes you can.

You can lose games... When you have players that hide and get no stats when put in a difficult position.

You can lose Many games when you don't have a pg.
The first stat you go to is W//L.



When Parker actually plays or puts minutes on the court, Spurs are -8 offensively/ per 100 possessions and +20 defensively/ per 100 possessions. Do you know what that means?

[dabom]

When Parker actually plays or puts minutes on the court, Spurs are -8 offensively/ per 100 possessions and +20 defensively/ per 100 possessions. Do you know what that means?

:lol

[bklynspursfan]

I found it funny people thought he was the biggest reason for our struggles.

Green returning paid immediate dividends, and I truly think once TP returns he'll benefit from Green's return on both ends.

[MaNu4Tres]

I found it funny people thought he was the biggest reason for our struggles.

Green returning paid immediate dividends, and I truly think once TP returns he'll benefit from Green's return on both ends.

Love these posters who ignore facts and hold on to any ounce of belief they can ( delusional or not).

[SASdynasty!]

When Parker actually plays or puts minutes on the court, Spurs are -8 offensively/ per 100 possessions and +20 defensively/ per 100 possessions. Do you know what that means?
Apparently it means that you win more games. Something PATFO, the rest of the league, NBA analysts, actual Spurs fans, and everyone except for the Krew understands.

[ducks]

they are 7 new players hello
also tp has to adjust to the 7 new players and everyone with them
the head of the snake is missing and it makes leonard and others do more

[MaNu4Tres]

Apparently it means that you win more games. Something PATFO, the rest of the league, NBA analysts, actual Spurs fans, and everyone except for the Krew understands.

Leave it one of the village idiots to explain..

[bklynspursfan]

Love these posters who ignore facts and hold on to any ounce of belief they can ( delusional or not).

I respect your opinions and posts bro, I just think the stats you are using are too small of a sample size. The guy has played 4 games. No one can draw any real conclusions of any kind from a player after 4 games.

[MaNu4Tres]

I respect your opinions and posts bro, I just think the stats you are using are too small of a sample size. The guy has played 4 games. No one can draw any real conclusions of any kind from a player after 4 games.

Wasn't the post about the Spurs being 3-0 when Parker suits up?

I'm using facts in that sample size to prove he's been detrimental when he plays, even if they win despite that being the reality.

[bklynspursfan]

Wasn't the post about the Spurs being 3-0 when Parker suits up?

I'm using facts in that sample size to prove he's been detrimental when he plays, even if they win despite that being the reality.

Yea, I just know I've seen you use those stats in other places too on here. So yea, it'd be foolish to think TP is the sole reason they won those games, but it's also foolish to think he is the reason for them losing.

Him being detrimental while he's in is still too soon to really say. He was playing with Anderson next to him and I think Simmons once. It's just too early to look at some of these stats IMO.

[$pursDynasty]

I am not a denier of facts/science or even stats BUT stats rarely tell the whole story. There were many games back in the day when going by +/- Matt Bonner was the best Spur in a game when anyone with a drop of sense knows that that is patently impossible. The eye test can be subjective but stats can be just as misleading at times. Per real plus minus on ESPN last year Nikola Jokic and Kevin Love were among the top 10 players in the league last year. I refuse to believe that's the case no matter what the stats say. Stats alone would have you believe that Ricky Rubio is a Gary Payton "the glove" level defender at PG, I have a hard time believing that one too. Parker's value to me is this are the Spurs better or worse with a healthy Parker in the game. Trolling threads would say worse with him in, but from what I am seeing right now every bit of continuity the Spurs can muster would be greatly appreciated while trying to integrate so many new players.

[TheGreatYacht]

Leave it one of the village idiots to explain..
For real. Quit explaining shit faggot. You're embarrassing yourself

[pgardn]

When Parker actually plays or puts minutes on the court, Spurs are -8 offensively/ per 100 possessions and +20 defensively/ per 100 possessions. Do you know what that means?

Have you watched our recent games?

Who do you like at point?

Do you have stats on the actual amount of time a player has ball in hand per turnover? Do you?
There is a reason Danny Green, for instance, does not handle the ball for more than a second on a possession. You don't get it.

[HarlemHeat37]

As poorly as Parker has played the past few seasons, he's still certainly a better option than the backup PG the Spurs have been playing during his absence, tbh..

Parker's production could be replaced by any competent NBA-level backup PG, but the Spurs don't currently have an alternative that qualifies(Lapro hasn't shown that he's an NBA-caliber player, yet)..

[313]

:wakeup

[SASdynasty!]

5-1 with Parker
1-2 without

[YGWHI]

Also a dude that is struggling without him is Aldridge tbh, Parker just spoon feed him on offense pretty much all the time

Yeah...That's the reason for why LMA's struggling...

Parker played tonight and LMA was still poor offensively.

[TheGreatYacht]

We ain't a lottery team anymore!

Head of the snake :worthy:

[DAF86]

Do folks seriously think the last couple of losses had anything to do with Parker's absence? :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Do folks seriously think the last couple of losses had anything to do with Parker's absence? :lol
I don't know, you said Argentina was struggling because Missi retired. Then they lost 0-3 to Brazil

[DAF86]

I don't know, you said Argentina was struggling because Missi retired. Then they lost 0-3 to Brazil

Losing to Brazil in Brazil is expected, tbh. Specially with a coach that should be retired.

[TheGreatYacht]

Losing to Brazil in Brazil is expected, tbh. Specially with a coach that should be retired.
No shame in losing to the second best player in the world (only behind Ronaldo), tbh

[Chris]

We ain't a lottery team anymore!

Head of the snake :worthy:

It's no coincidence we got the win with MVParker playing through injury for the Veterans.

TP9

[TheGreatYacht]

It's no coincidence we got the win with MVParker playing through injury for the Veterans.

TP9
https://65.media.tumblr.com/5e0c3b94619d4fbbf3ff3fe7493a47bc/tumblr_inline_o92w20xq2t1sdve4r_500.gif

[313]

Another game another win

[apalisoc_9]

Any top 50 guard would have provided the same shit. Its really mpre so that Green is playing now. And the fact that Laprivitolla plays when Porker is out.

[gilmor]

Losing to Brazil in Brazil is expected, tbh. Specially with a coach that should be retired.

Argentina was all round bad in that game.. change of guards bro.. time of Messi is over..

[DAF86]

Argentina was all round bad in that game.. change of guards bro.. time of Messi is over..

Argentina was bad but it wasn't because of Messi. Messi is still clearly the best player in the World son. :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Argentina was bad but it wasn't because of Messi. Messi is still clearly the best player in the World son. :lol

No.

[313]

Any top 50 guard would have provided the same shit. Its really mpre so that Green is playing now. And the fact that Laprivitolla plays when Porker is out.we were winning without Green, can't say the same without Parker. He's the head of the snake after all.

[TheGreatYacht]

we were winning without Green, can't say the same without Parker. He's the head of the snake after all.

[YGWHI]

Also a dude that is struggling without him is Aldridge tbh, Parker just spoon feed him on offense pretty much all the time
Another shitty game.

'but but Parker makes him better' :cry :cry

5-13 tonight

These Parker fans...:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

Another shitty game.

'but but Parker makes him better' :cry :cry

5-13 tonight

These Parker fans...:lmao
Still better than 3-13 against the Clippers & 5-18 against the Pistons

[YGWHI]

Still better than 3-13 against the Clippers & 5-18 against the Pistons

Do the math, stupid troll.

5-13 against Kings

4-13 against Pels

5-15 against Rockets

6-14 against Pistons

5-13 against Rockets

5 shitty shooting games vs only 2 is still better??

:lmao



'but Parker makes him better' :cry :cry

:lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

2-0 against Houston WITH Parker
0-1 against Houston WITHOUT Parker

[SequSpur]

they are 7 new players hello
also tp has to adjust to the 7 new players and everyone with them
the head of the snake is missing and it makes leonard and others do more

special needs.

[gambit1990]

this thread :lol

spurs with parker: 17-4... but don't give him too much credit for victories, he shot 0 for 6 in two of them and had 1 assist in two of them as well

spurs without parker: 7-2... the two losses were against a fully healthy clipper team and the rockets (a game which we lost by 2)

if parker sat out the next two games and the spurs win, then our record without parker would be better than our record with him.

[FkLA]

this thread :lol

spurs with parker: 17-4... but don't give him too much credit for victories, he shot 0 for 6 in two of them and had 1 assist in two of them as well

spurs without parker: 7-2... the two losses were against a fully healthy clipper team and the rockets (a game which we lost by 2)

if parker sat out the next two games and the spurs win, then our record without parker would be better than our record with him.

Truth bomb.

[gambit1990]

what's really funny is that parker fans are kawhi haters... and they want to chalk up our record to tony when it's kawhi who's been doing the heavy lifting.

[$pursDynasty]

Bump just because Spurs record with Parker is pretty damn impressive

[gambit1990]

our record without parker was so important that parker fans had to make a thread about it?

spurs winning % with parker: 77.42
spurs winning % without parker: 77.78

spurs winning % with patty: 79.49
spurs winning % without patty: 77.5

[gambit1990]

Just curious..
without parker the spurs are .818
with parker the spurs are .781

is there a point you were trying to make OP?

[gambit1990]

It's not good tbh

Spurs CLEARLY missing the head of the snake. Aren't even a .500 team without him.

What the fuck do these armchair GM's know tbh

Murray is a couple years away from being 3rd string caliber.
:lmao

[Nathan89]

:lmao

He was bad but now I very excited about his potential.

[dabom]

without parker the spurs are .818
with parker the spurs are .781

is there a point you were trying to make OP?
:lol

[313]

our record without parker was so important that parker fans had to make a thread about it?

spurs winning % with parker: 77.42
spurs winning % without parker: 77.78

spurs winning % with patty: 79.49
spurs winning % without patty: 77.5Patty was fucking awful tonight. thank god for murray

[TheGreatYacht]

Patty was fucking awful tonight. thank god for murray
^ elite poster

[FkLA]

Spurs got blown out in Cleveland last season with Porker. Just saying.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs got blown out in Cleveland last season with Porker. Just saying.

:wow

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs got blown out in Cleveland last season with Porker. Just saying.

Mills was 2-6 for 4 points and 2 assists in 21 minutes in that game. Much worse than Parker, just saying

[Spurtacular]

our record without parker was so important that parker fans had to make a thread about it?

spurs winning % with parker: 77.42
spurs winning % without parker: 77.78

spurs winning % with patty: 79.49
spurs winning % without patty: 77.5

Another truth bomb.

[spursistan]

Without Parker steady hand running the offense the Spurs turnovered their way to an OT and nearly lost it in regulation, tbh.

[Spurtacular]

Mills was 2-6 for 4 points and 2 assists in 21 minutes in that game. Much worse than Parker, just saying

I can live with that. Much better than dribble, dribble, dribble Parker's taking 14 shots this game whether he's hot or not.

[Spurtacular]

Without Parker steady hand running the offense the Spurs turnovered their way to an OT and nearly lost it in regulation, tbh.

There is truth that Parker can be a steadying influence at times. But he has a propensity to try and do much more than he ought to. Mills is the better option. Pop is kowtowing to Parker at this point, tbh.

[gambit1990]

Patty was fucking awful tonight. thank god for murray
deflecting much? read the title of the thread you made.

[dabom]

deflecting much? read the title of the thread you made.

:lol

[K...]

the bravery in predicting an 30+ year old guard would steadily suck is frankly amazing and i'm glad some posters make this there sole duty. This forum would literally be dead without this content.

[gambit1990]

with parker the spurs are .781

without parker the spurs are .857

[dabom]

with parker the spurs are .781

without parker the spurs are .857

[DAF86]

Without Parker steady hand running the offense the Spurs turnovered their way to an OT and nearly lost it in regulation, tbh.

Without Parker's steady hand the Spurs had only 8 TO's tonight, some of them coming in garbage time.

Cue in the Turnobili comment.

[Manudona]

:stirpot::stirpot:What is the record without khawi? :stirpot:

[dabom]

:stirpot::stirpot:What is the record without khawi? :stirpot:

Not good.

[gambit1990]

spurs winning % without parker is better than golden state's :lol

[dabom]

spurs winning % without parker is better than golden state's :lol
:wow












































































:lobt2:

[FkLA]

with parker the spurs are .781

without parker the spurs are .857


spurs winning % without parker is better than golden state's :lol

:wow

[TheDoctor]

with parker the spurs are .781

without parker the spurs are .857

[dabom]

I love backfire threads. My favorite. :lol




:corn:

[dabom]

I love backfire threads. My favorite. :lol




:corn:

[gambit1990]

the spurs road record is now 7-0 in games parker missed...

[$pursDynasty]

The real question is what is the Spur's record without Pau? They are undefeated.

[ElNono]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJlIGDImiU

[gambit1990]

with parker the spurs are .735

without parker the spurs are .833

[lefty]

with parker the spurs are .735

without parker the spurs are .833

[gambit1990]

parker fans avoiding this thread like the plague.

spurs are 3-3 over tony's last 6 starts.

[lefty]

TheGreatYacht
hater

[SupremeGuy]

parker fans avoiding this thread like the plague.

spurs are 3-3 over tony's last 6 starts.:bang

[gambit1990]

spurs with parker are 28-10, .737
spurs without parker are 11-2, .846

[gambit1990]

hey OP, spurs record is still much better in games parker doesn't play.

[SASdynasty!]

Interesting considering Parker is the winningest player in NBA history. By your logic, Spurs should attribute their winning more to him than to Duncan.

[140]

spurs with parker are 28-10, .737
spurs without parker are 11-2, .846

[Hoops Czar]

spurs with parker are 28-10, .737
spurs without parker are 11-2, .846

It used to be the Spurs would be much better replacing Parker with Skatty but, not even a homer would agree with that now. I see you're changing your shticks on the fly.

[gambit1990]

It used to be the Spurs would be much better replacing Parker with Skatty but, not even a homer would agree with that now. I see you're changing your shticks on the fly.
what the fuck are you talking about? :lol i'll still take patty over parker, nothing's changed. especially not how stupid you are.

[gambit1990]

spurs with parker: 34-11, .756
spurs without parker: 12-2, .857

[TheGreatYacht]

The 27yr old X-Men fan finally showed up lmfao. Finally ditched the skirt

[picnroll]

You're shittin me right gambit. With Parker playing, not Mills shiting the bed, this would have been a comfortable win for the Spurs.

[kaji157]

spurs with parker: 34-11, .756
spurs without parker: 12-2, .857

This might be the best backfire thread of the season.
Spurs need to be almost perfect with Tony playing to beat the no-tp spurs.
Lets hope they are and go for the 1st seed.

[TheGreatYacht]

Point guards with a combined 3-13 shooting performance. MVParker heal up soon

[gambit1990]

Spurs CLEARLY missing the head of the snake. Aren't even a .500 team without him.

What the fuck do these armchair GM's know tbh

spurs with parker: 34-11, .756
spurs without parker: 12-2, .857

[gambit1990]

You're shittin me right gambit. With Parker playing, not Mills shiting the bed, this would have been a comfortable win for the Spurs.
what? we played the pacers a couple weeks ago... tony played... and it was a close game until the end.

[Chinook]

Loved Murray's second-half stint, but the gap between him and Parker is huge.

[gambit1990]

Loved Murray's second-half stint, but the gap between him and Parker is huge.
spurs now 7-0 when murray starts.

[bklynspursfan]

Loved Murray's second-half stint, but the gap between him and Parker is huge.

Yup. Don't think this game comes down to the wire if TP plays

[LakerHater]

tbh fwiw, Spurs needed Tony tonite!

[Chinook]

spurs now 7-0 when murray starts.

They lost the first half with Murray starting and had to put in Patty in after the break to stop the bleeding.

[FkLA]

Loved Murray's second-half stint, but the gap between him and Parker is huge.

You mean there's a huge gap between their respective girth, right? Let's not fall into recency bias. The Pork recently had a two-game stretch where he had two points total. Murray's 5 game stretch earlier in the season was amazing. Even if Porker is the better option, he's too washed up and Murray isn't bad enough for there to be a big gap between the two.

[picnroll]

what? we played the pacers a couple weeks ago... tony played... and it was a close game until the end.

OK subtract out Mills 2 points on 1/7 and add in Parkers 12 points on 4/8 and what do you have? A nice 11 point win. But keep on plugging away with your Parker schtick.

[Chinook]

You mean there's a huge gap between their respective girth, right? Let's not fall into recency bias. The Pork recently had a two-game stretch where he had two points total. Murray's 5 game stretch earlier in the season was amazing. Even if Porker is the better option, he's too washed up and Murray isn't bad enough for there to be a big gap between the two.

"Let's not fall into recency bias"

Only bumps this thread when Parker looks bad or Murray looks good.

[FkLA]

I see you viewing the thread, Silver&Black. Just wanted to let you know that you are missed in game threads, brah. No homo.

edit: I thought this was the game thread but i stand by the statement

[bklynspursfan]

"Let's not fall into recency bias"

Only bumps this thread when Parker looks bad or Murray looks good.

And Murray didn't even look that good tonight tbh. The whole 7-0 when he starts thing is silly, but I know it fits what's being driven by this thread

[gambit1990]

OK subtract out Mills 2 points on 1/7 and add in Parkers 12 points on 4/8 and what do you have? A nice 11 point win. But keep on plugging away with your Parker schtick.
that hypothetical won't get you anywhere.

read the thread title then read this:

spurs with parker: 34-11, .756
spurs without parker: 12-2, .857

[$pursDynasty]

People thinking Dijon is ready to start playoff games are either disingenuous or delusional. MVParker basically spoon feeds LMAlpha, he can't get his own shot and Dijon can't feed him

[gambit1990]

And Murray didn't even look that good tonight tbh. The whole 7-0 when he starts thing is silly, but I know it fits what's being driven by this thread
you call it silly? i call it a fact.

[picnroll]

Murray was invisible in the first half. He got some good assists, some by penetratingin the second half. Overall he was more effective than Mills this game.

[FkLA]

"Let's not fall into recency bias"

Only bumps this thread when Parker looks bad or Murray looks good.

Uh, Murray hardly even plays brah. He gets extended minutes for the first time in months, struggles in the first half, and suddenly he can't hold TOSB Enrique' s jock? Nah, I can't agree with that.

And Murray didn't even look that good tonight tbh. The whole 7-0 when he starts thing is silly, but I know it fits what's being driven by this thread

Because Enrique has been a model of consistency this season, right? :lol

[cd98]

Just got back from the game. Murray sucked. We need Parker and we could've used some of those buyouts. Not saying Murray can't be good down the road, but he had terrible turnovers and couldn't get the team into a good offense. Kawhi and Lee bailed out the Spurs tonight.

[Silver&Black]

I see you viewing the thread, Silver&Black (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20666). Just wanted to let you know that you are missed in game threads, brah. No homo.

edit: I thought this was the game thread but i stand by the statement

Appreciate the kind words.

FkLA = Mi Negro

[John Petrucci]

Would be disengenuous af to pretend like missing Parker was a good thing tonight. We played terribly and were bailed out by early Pau, Kawhi and Lee.

[cd98]

Murray was invisible in the first half. He got some good assists, some by penetratingin the second half. Overall he was more effective than Mills this game.
Mills was terrible, but at least he drew a few charges. I was scared every time Murray had the ball. I used to be that way for only Danny Green. And that Bertans turnover was shockingly horrible. Vets won this game.

[bklynspursfan]

you call it silly? i call it a fact.

It's a fact yes. But it's not indicative of Murray being a better fit or player than Parker. Maybe thats clearer. Because that's what you try to imply isn't it?

[Chinook]

I thought Murray was better with Manu. He's not good enough to be the primary ball-handler right now, so having a co-PG helped. His defensive potential was on display, but he also showed his current limitations. He's just too damned skinny to guard people who can force any type of contact. Just bounces off. But his length mean that he can switch onto PFs effectively if he manages to front them. He also didn't force his own shot, which is good but will have to be balanced as he improves.

July will be a big month for him.

[cd98]

you call it silly? i call it a fact.

It's a meaningless fact. Like Jordan winning titles with Jack Haley on the roster. Yes it happened, but it had nothing to do with the wind. But I'll tell you when that 7-0 number flips...the playoffs. The kid couldn't run the offense, penetrated without purpose, gave the ball away, and overall looked lost. I hope he turns out, but he's not ready for meaningful games. TBH, I wish the Spurs could've picked up one of the buyout PGs bc our crop looks weak this year, Parker being the only one that is starter material.

[gambit1990]

i hope parker sits more games so murray can get PT. that's how he improves.

it's important the spurs learn to play without parker because nothing suggests he'll be realiable in the playoffs.

[cd98]

i hope parker sits more games so murray can get PT. that's how he improves.

it's important the spurs learn to play without parker because nothing suggests he'll be realiable in the playoffs.
I don't know, man. This kid needs an offseason and another regular season. 20 games isn't enough to get him ready for the playoffs. I don't really trust Patty either. We could've used one of those other PGs that were bought out.

[gambit1990]

I don't know, man. This kid needs an offseason and another regular season. 20 games isn't enough to get him ready for the playoffs. I don't really trust Patty either. We could've used one of those other PGs that were bought out.
it is late in the season. i wanted to start murray over parker since the summer.

[313]

Point guards with a combined 3-13 shooting performance. MVParker heal up soon

[Hoops Czar]

It's a fact yes. But it's not indicative of Murray being a better fit or player than Parker. Maybe thats clearer. Because that's what you try to imply isn't it?

He's just manipulating stats to fit his narrative. There's no cause and effect relationship whatsoever. It's like saying the Spurs are 4-1 without Kawhi. Spurs must be better without him. Murray and Mills had absolutely nothing to do with this win.

[dabom]

OP :lmao

[GSH]

July will be a big month for him.


I'm probably just being dense. Why July? Just working on stuff?

He's still got a kid's body, for sure. Hopefully that comes with a couple of years of age. But he has GOT to develop some other shot in addition to that floater. I know he had a 3 tonight that bounced off the JumboTron before going in, but that's not going to cut it long term. But I like the fact that he had 6 AST in 21 minutes. That's over 10 on a per-36 basis. Not too shabby on a night where he seemed less than impressive.

[Chinook]

I'm probably just being dense. Why July? Just working on stuff?

That's when he's going to get his summer-league plan. I think how he does there is going to go a pretty decent ways to determining how the team handles his rotation spot.

[SASdynasty!]

Another Parker game out, another comeback 1 point win against an Eastern Conference .500 team at home.

[spurraider21]

murray and mills today...

3-13 FG, 1-7 3PT, 10 assists, 3 turnovers

[Chris]

Probably an easy win if we had Parker. Came down to the wire without him as evident by our 18 turnovers. His value to this teams' offensive execution is evident in the box line and the heavy reliance on Kawhi ISOs.

[Fireball]

LMA really suffers without TP ... Patty or Murray cannot create any pick and pops for him

[140]

OP :lmao

[SAGirl]

i hope parker sits more games so murray can get PT. that's how he improves.

it's important the spurs learn to play without parker because nothing suggests he'll be realiable in the playoffs.
It's a concern for sure.

We can debate this and that, but it's just the truth that Tony is brittle and is bound to miss time in the playoffs. He actually needs rest through the season at his current age or he doesn't play well... whether that's bc of wear and tear, soreness or whatever, he does better when he's rested. Then, Manu shouldn't average over 20 minutes bc he just doesn't do well past that point.

Guys just don't get the point that this duo ^^ of Tony and Manu cannot go on forever. At some point Spurs need to give playing time to a younger dude and Murray came in at the time there is that need.

Picking up a veteran to take Murray's playing time (what little he's getting this season) doesn't accomplish anything for the Spurs long term. It's a bandaid attempting to cover an open gash of a wound.

No idea what happens in the next couple of seasons but it doesn't look like the Spurs will be able to add guard depth through FA of veterans who are in their primes, they don't have budget for that and would need to trade real contributors at other spots for a position of need... as they have Tony in a large contract that doesn't make sense. And continuing to cover that open gash of a wound with TOSB in vet min deals is not going to get you anywhere right now. I loved Andre Miller last season, but he wasn't realistic to keep.

They need to develop to find a solution long term and that will involve a youngster going through growing pains... again unless they trade for somebody.

[RD2191]

spurs now 7-0 when murray starts.

:wow gambit going in raw

[bklynspursfan]

He's just manipulating stats to fit his narrative. There's no cause and effect relationship whatsoever. It's like saying the Spurs are 4-1 without Kawhi. Spurs must be better without him. Murray and Mills had absolutely nothing to do with this win.

truth.. I'm all for Murray getting some minutes, he needs it to grow. But the fact is, him starting does not make this team better. As we go down the stretch, it's important for TP to get minutes with Dedmon now in the SL so they can continue to build chemistry and learn each others habits.

The first half of the season is for guys to get minutes, and Pop to experiment a bit. They'll still get some time post all star break of course, but the focus will mostly be on the rotational guys continuing to gel. It's still a pretty new team, and chemistry is very important heading into the post season

Murray will have his time in probably a year or 2. He's not close to where he needs to be just yet, but I think he'll get there if he continues to work and fine-tune his game

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Murray with 6 ast last night. Spoon feeding Lee and a kick out to danny for some crucial 4th quarter shots. That definitely had something to do with a 1 point win.

[Strategic]

One title

[cd98]

Murray with 6 ast last night. Spoon feeding Lee and a kick out to danny for some crucial 4th quarter shots. That definitely had something to do with a 1 point win.

Problem is he also turned the ball over and got muscled out of running the offense. Pop didn't even start him the second half. Yes he scored a basket (something everyone in the NBA should be able to do if given minutes), but he could not run the offense, which led to poor spacing, late shots, and turnovers. Sure he needs minutes to get better, but he has a long way to go. He shows flashes, but if he's out there during the playoffs, it means something has gone horribly wrong, because he's not good enough to earn minutes when every possession counts.

[GB20]

Problem is he also turned the ball over and got muscled out of running the offense. Pop didn't even start him the second half. Yes he scored a basket (something everyone in the NBA should be able to do if given minutes), but he could not run the offense, which led to poor spacing, late shots, and turnovers. Sure he needs minutes to get better, but he has a long way to go. He shows flashes, but if he's out there during the playoffs, it means something has gone horribly wrong, because he's not good enough to earn minutes when every possession counts.

Did he play better after he got bech? Yes he did. Pop was trying to send him a message and he got it. That is part of coaching.

[MultiTroll]

Problem is he also turned the ball over and got muscled out of running the offense. Pop didn't even start him the second half. Yes he scored a basket (something everyone in the NBA should be able to do if given minutes), but he could not run the offense, which led to poor spacing, late shots, and turnovers. Sure he needs minutes to get better, but he has a long way to go. He shows flashes, but if he's out there during the playoffs, it means something has gone horribly wrong, because he's not good enough to earn minutes when every possession counts.
He looked great a month ago vs Cleveland. I hope Pop doesn't have him thinking too much, killing off his natural skills. The "be like Chrissy Paul and control everything" -don't like it.
Parker getting out muscled and turning the ball over etc and the offense out of sync? Lots of times the last two playoffs.

[cd98]

Did he play better after he got bech? Yes he did. Pop was trying to send him a message and he got it. That is part of coaching.

No, he didn't. He got in the game and when his poor play continued, he was yanked for Mills, who was just awful as well. Note the Spurs offense was horrible yesterday but for Kawhi and David Lee bailing them out.

[cd98]

He looked great a month ago vs Cleveland. I hope Pop doesn't have him thinking too much, killing off his natural skills. The "be like Chrissy Paul and control everything" -don't like it.
Parker getting out muscled and turning the ball over etc and the offense out of sync? Lots of times the last two playoffs.

It's not like he isn't capable of making plays from time to time, but he even got benched in that Cav game. I don't want to be too tough on him, he is a 20 year old playing the hardest position in the best league in the world. But he looked like he needs more seasoning. You have to love the length and athletic ability, but he was a guy with tools that the Spurs are developing and as is shown by CoJo, etc, it takes time. Even Kawhi took a few years to get his star turn. I get people want to see the shiny new object, and hell, we've been watching Parker since he was 19, but Spurs won't win if they have to turn to Murray in the playoffs. He's not ready and if he got 20 minutes a night for every game this year, we probably wouldn't be a high playoff seed.

[cd98]

And no, Parker has played solid if not spectacular in the playoffs. Sure you can find a game or two per year, but you could do the same for Tim Duncan. The Spurs big three are playoff Studs, which is why they won 4 titles. Hopefully Murray climbs the mountain, but it ain't this year.

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, this thread really backfired, tbh:lol

[Hoops Czar]

Damn, this thread really backfired, tbh:lol
Just not in the way you think. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol no, it backfired exactly how I think it did..

I don't even think the Spurs are better without Parker, as I said earlier in this thread, but the objective of this particular thread clearly failed..

[Chris]

:lol