John Pilger: Liberals created Trump by pushing corrupt Clinton, but now act surprised

[hater]

:lmao my nigga John Pilger going in raw :lol

“The only people who are surprised are those who allowed it to happen – and I am speaking about the liberal class in the US,”

They told us that only the status quo – a corrupt, war-mongering candidates will be acceptable to the majority. We will have their hyperventilating, and their frustration, and their frenzied reaction for a long time. But, they’ve created Trump…”

“They corrupted a voting system, within the Democratic Party that ensured that another populist, Bernie Sanders – though I don’t think he would have beaten Trump – could not win, and instead the embodiment of the status quo, who has declared the whole world a battlefield was made out to be the ‘candidate of sanity’ or ‘the candidate for women.’”

“Most of the world regards that kind of behavior from the most powerful country in the world as abhorrent, and Hillary has been the personification of that,”

[hater]

“One of the most revealing things about the campaign has been the exposure of journalism as the extension of the same established power. They are not independent, they are echo chambers… And the most respected are the worst. The New York Times has become a sort of Cold War propaganda sheet,”

“Whether Trump will be any better is unclear. He says he is anti-establishment, but he will come with his own establishment. I don’t believe for a moment that he is against the establishment of the US in a wider sense – indeed he is a product of it,” said Pilger. “The truth is, there was no one to vote for.”

[boutons_deux]

Bernie isn't Democrat.

He didn't have had chance against the DNC establishment/Clinton army.

Nothing corrupt about it, just hard-ball, self-serving politics

Blaming Dems for Trash? Wow, that's some amazing bullshit.

Trash's policies, hate, LIES, bigotry, prejudices are 100% orthodox Republican going back 50 years.

[z0sa]

Bernie isn't Democrat.

He didn't have had chance against the DNC establishment/Clinton army.

Nothing corrupt about it, just hard-ball, self-serving politics

Blaming Dems for Trash? Wow, that's some amazing bullshit.

Trash's policies, hate, LIES, bigotry, prejudices are 100% orthodox Republican going back 50 years.

Actually, Mr Know it all, he is caucusing as a Democrat from now on.

[boutons_deux]

Actually, Mr Know it all, he is caucusing as a Democrat from now on.

He always pretty much caucused with Dems, doesn't mean he is a Dem in 100% of votes.

The Dem establishment just couldn't allow a non-Dem "socialist" to usurp "her turn".

[hater]

Of course

Crickets here...

[spurraider21]

republicans voted for trump. twice.

twice.

and yet its liberals fault? :lol

[hater]

republicans voted for trump. twice.

twice.

and yet its liberals fault? :lol

Yup they pushed Clintler to the masses and wanted the masses to vote for that neocon warmonger

The masses said fuck no and they lost :lol

[spurraider21]

Yup they pushed Clintler to the masses and wanted the masses to vote for that neocon warmonger

The masses said fuck no and they lost :lol
that doesn't explain the primaries. no clinton there :lol

[rmt]

She had no message - instead it was all Trump is unfit to be president while she had a private server, bleach bitted 30k emails and smashed devices with a hammer. Enough voters in the right states didn't buy that.

[rjv]

that doesn't explain the primaries. no clinton there :lol trump benefited from running against career politicians and the only other candidate voters thought of as somewhat of an outsider was cruz, but that was exposed. trump also benefited from the uneven amount of broadcast time the major networks gave him, even breaking away from sanders speeches just to give us more of trump. the clinton campaign had no problem with this during the primaries. it was only after the election that they cried foul.

[spurraider21]

trump benefited from running against career politicians and the only other candidate voters thought of as somewhat of an outsider was cruz, but that was exposed. trump also benefited from the uneven amount of broadcast time the major networks gave him, even breaking away from sanders speeches just to give us more of trump. the clinton campaign had no problem with this during the primaries. it was only after the election that they cried foul.
right, so its moronic to blame libruls for trump winning the primary

[rjv]

right, so its moronic to blame libruls for trump winning the primary i wouldn't blame "liberals' per se, unless by that term one is referring to clinton democrats. there is no doubt the DNC ran a terrible campaign and backed a deeply flawed candidate.

[spurraider21]

i wouldn't blame "liberals' per se, unless by that term one is referring to clinton democrats. there is no doubt the DNC ran a terrible campaign and backed a deeply flawed candidate.
which had nothing to do with trump emerging in a primary race against non-liberals/democrats

[rjv]

which had nothing to do with trump emerging in a primary race against non-liberals/democrats well, yes. trump was the preferred candidate of the DNC. they urged the press to give trump coverage.

[spurraider21]

well, yes. trump was the preferred candidate of the DNC. they urged the press to give trump coverage.
and we all know that conservative voters are soo influenced by the press :lol

people who voted for trump TWICE can't just wash their hands and say they aren't the reason he got elected, sorry

[rjv]

and we all know that conservative voters are soo influenced by the press :lol

people who voted for trump TWICE can't just wash their hands and say they aren't the reason he got elected, sorry but trump didn't just win over your typical GOP voting bloc. he also won over moderates and people who had voted for obama in the previous election. also, his additional coverage came at the expense of sanders. and in an election in which there were more registered voters who did not vote at all than ever before, any advantage took on extremely significant importance.

[spurraider21]

but trump didn't just win over your typical GOP voting bloc. he also won over moderates and people who had voted for obama in the previous election. also, his additional coverage came at the expense of sanders. and in an election in which there were more registered voters who did not vote at all than ever before, any advantage took on extremely significant importance.
how many obama voters participated in the GOP primary?

[rjv]

how many obama voters participated in the GOP primary? you're missing the point, entirely. independents who voted for obama in the previous election were voting in the primaries for trump. for instance, in the ohio GOP primary, 7% were registered democrats and 28% were independents. kasich won ohio but it shows that is an example of how open primaries attracted other non-traditional GOP voters. trump came out ahead in 13 of the 16 states that had open primaries.

[spurraider21]

you're missing the point, entirely. independents who voted for obama in the previous election were voting in the primaries for trump. for instance, in the ohio GOP primary, 7% were registered democrats and 28% were independents. kasich won ohio but it shows that is an example of how open primaries attracted other non-traditional GOP voters.
and so trump won all those primary races because of democrat voters? :lol

[rjv]

and so trump won all those primary races because of democrat voters? :lol he won 13 of the 16 open primaries and this is where he won the votes of independents and some democrats.

[spurraider21]

he won 13 of the 16 open primaries and this is where he won the votes of independents and some democrats.
and the democrat voters tilted the balance in how many of those?

and here, republican voters favored trump more than independent voters did. i wonder if you're right and it really was the independent and democrat voters that won trump the primaries :lol

https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2016/03/16/TrumpPrimaries2-01.png

[rjv]

and the democrat voters tilted the balance in how many of those? you do realize there are a great deal of registered democrats who generally vote for the GOP candidate, right? so, if you wanted that answer, you'd have to somehow filter it to remove that demographic. but i still don't get your initial argument. you have concluded that one cannot blame the DNC or liberals for Trump winning the election because voters were given the opportunity to vote for Trump twice and did so therefore it was their votes in both the primaries and the general election that shaped the results. never mind that the media gave trump a platform to generate more of an advantage over the other GOP candidates (at the behest of the DNC), that clinton failed to get the most important blocs to vote for her, the DNC sabotaged the Sanders campaign, hillary openly mocked millenials and gave no platform to black lives matter or environmentalists and doubled down on her support of Wall Street. at best, all your premise could hope for is that one could cast some blame on traditional GOP voters. and again, if by liberals, we are talking about the neoliberal centrists that worshipped obama and clinton then we are definitely going to have to create a separate set for the progressive left as they are clearly separate factions.

[boutons_deux]

Hillary wiped the floor with Trash's stinkin ass

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEloVcGVwAArjvU.jpg:small

[spurraider21]

you do realize there are a great deal of registered democrats who generally vote for the GOP candidate, right? so, if you wanted that answer, you'd have to somehow filter it to remove that demographic. but i still don't get your initial argument. you have concluded that one cannot blame the DNC or liberals for Trump winning the election because voters were given the opportunity to vote for Trump twice and did so therefore it was their votes in both the primaries and the general election that shaped the results. never mind that the media gave trump a platform to generate more of an advantage over the other GOP candidates (at the behest of the DNC), that clinton failed to get the most important blocs to vote for her, the DNC sabotaged the Sanders campaign, hillary openly mocked millenials and gave no platform to black lives matter or environmentalists and doubled down on her support of Wall Street. at best, all your premise could hope for is that one could cast some blame on traditional GOP voters. and again, if by liberals, we are talking about the neoliberal centrists that worshipped obama and clinton then we are definitely going to have to create a separate set for the progressive left as they are clearly separate factions.
clinton being shitty is certainly an explanation as to why she didnt perform well in the general election

it does nothing to explain how a piece of shit like trump wins the nomination. and shitty as she was, it doesn't explain how an incompetent buffoon wins anyway. its not like trump ran a squeaky clean campaign

[rmt]

and we all know that conservative voters are soo influenced by the press :lol

people who voted for trump TWICE can't just wash their hands and say they aren't the reason he got elected, sorry

Why would you think that people who voted for trump TWICE want to wash their hands of him? You sound like my friend who, when I went over for dinner, asked if I was having buyer's remorse. I told her no - all this rubbish going on just makes me even more convinced of my choice (good thing our friendship is rock solid that political differences don't matter :-) Any of a few more 40 something SC justices, kill the Medicaid expansion and lower premiums/more choice, tax reform or less people coming in from terrorist countries will make me a happy camper.

[boutons_deux]

clinton being shitty is certainly an explanation

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEl40iBXoAE5_RL.jpg

Pootin and Comey defeated Hillary, not Trash.

Hillary lost the EC by 80K votes across 3 states in an election of 135M+ votes cast, with a big movement to Trash in those 3 states after Comey 2nd trash job of Hillary 10 days before the election.

[AaronY]

Didn't read the OP but the thread title ignores the fact that he never should've gotten out of the Republican primaries in the first place but the other candidates refused to drop out out and consolidate behind someone. Also, Rubio who I liked best didn't prepare well. Plus so many of them refused drop out. I think that because Cruz is so hated and they didn't want to consolidate behind him but that would have been the best move

[rmt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEl40iBXoAE5_RL.jpg

Pootin and Comey defeated Hillary, not Trash.

Hillary lost the EC by 80K votes across 3 states in an election of 135M+ votes cast, with a big movement to Trash in those 3 states after Comey 2nd trash job of Hillary 10 days before the election.

Them are the rules the election is played by. If she chooses not to even go to WIS, she has no one to blame except herself.

[boutons_deux]

Them are the rules the election is played by. If she chooses not to even go to WIS, she has no one to blame except herself.

Pootin and Comey defeated Hillary, not Trash.

WI is badly gerrymandered, SCOTUS has accepted the WI case.

[spurraider21]

Why would you think that people who voted for trump TWICE want to wash their hands of him? You sound like my friend who, when I went over for dinner, asked if I was having buyer's remorse. I told her no - all this rubbish going on just makes me even more convinced of my choice (good thing our friendship is rock solid that political differences don't matter :-) Any of a few more 40 something SC justices, kill the Medicaid expansion and lower premiums/more choice, tax reform or less people coming in from terrorist countries will make me a happy camper.
the thread title says liberals created trump. liberals didnt nominate trump amongst other gop candidates

and yes i'm sure most trump voters dont have buyers remorse, and there's virtually nothing he could do that could change that anyway

[rmt]

Pootin and Comey defeated Hillary, not Trash.

WI is badly gerrymandered, SCOTUS has accepted the WI case.

Am I missing something? What does gerrymandering have to do with the presidential election? Doesn't whoever has the most total votes in WI get its electoral votes?

[rmt]

the thread title says liberals created trump. liberals didnt nominate trump amongst other gop candidates

and yes i'm sure most trump voters dont have buyers remorse, and there's virtually nothing he could do that could change that anyway

It was the independents/people in the middle and yes, people who voted twice for Obama too.

[spurraider21]

It was the independents/people in the middle and yes, people who voted twice for Obama too.
nobody says "conservatives are to blame for obama and they created him"

[boutons_deux]

rightwingnuts know, accept Trash and his Exec are a fucking disaster, refuse to accept responsibility after voting for him,

so now they have to blame Clinton,

as if Clinton were "corrupt" and Trash isn't, while Trash has actually been convicted of fraud and money-laundering, and 10x more corrupt,

AND

violating the Constitution's emoluments prohibition every day since 20 Jan, and still being CEO of several of his shitty corps.

[Chucho]

Pootin and Comey defeated Hillary, not Trash.



LOLies. LOLies. LOLies.

Nazism was refuted by the public and your Furherette's hide was used to mop the floor. Your LOLies and batshit Nazi adoration wont change that.

[spurraider21]

LOLies. LOLies. LOLies.

Nazism was refuted by the public and your Furherette's hide was used to mop the floor. Your LOLies and batshit Nazi adoration wont change that.
can you explain how nazism and liberalism are the same?

[Chucho]

can you explain how nazism and liberalism are the same?

They aren't. Just like you being a lawyer and being successful will be two different things.

[Chucho]

There isnt Liberalism on the Left. There is a buncha Fascism and Nazism going on that side of the fence, which is the losing side, and the wrong side of history.

[Chucho]

Think like we think.
Oppose who we oppose.
With us or against us.
We will halt and stifle independent thought.
Dehumanize and smear all opposition.

Sounds pretty Hitleresque, but practiced by the cucky betas of the American Fascist Left, the Failed Reich.

[Pavlov]

Think like we think.
Oppose who we oppose.
With us or against us.
We will halt and stifle independent thought.
Dehumanize and smear all opposition.

Sounds pretty Hitleresque, but practiced by the cucky betas of the American Fascist Left, the Failed Reich.Pretty much what you try do here.

[hater]

that doesn't explain the primaries. no clinton there :lol

They cheated on the primaries vs Bernie

Donald was already killing her in the primaries

[hater]

She had no message - instead it was all Trump is unfit to be president while she had a private server, bleach bitted 30k emails and smashed devices with a hammer. Enough voters in the right states didn't buy that.

[spurraider21]

They aren't. Just like you being a lawyer and being successful will be two different things.


There isnt Liberalism on the Left. There is a buncha Fascism and Nazism going on that side of the fence, which is the losing side, and the wrong side of history.
ok, so rephrase. tell me how the left is just like the nazis

[spurraider21]

They cheated on the primaries vs Bernie

Donald was already killing her in the primaries
so how did liberals cause trump to win the primaries?

[hater]

so how did liberals cause trump to win the primaries?

White trash modafuckas were pissed at Obama and Shitlery

Trump was the best at attacking them

You do the math

[spurraider21]

White trash modafuckas were pissed at Obama and Shitlery

Trump was the best at attacking them

You do the mathcool, so in your words, white trash modafuckas are responsible for trump's election

[hater]

cool, so in your words, white trash modafuckas are responsible for trump's election

Hells yeah

Dummy

You disagree? They voted but they were compelled by liberal retards pushing Shitlery

[spurraider21]

Hells yeah

Dummy

You disagree? They voted but they were compelled by liberal retards pushing Shitlery:lol compelled to vote for trump in the primaries

[hater]

:lol compelled to vote for trump in the primaries

Of course

They were mad at Obama and Shitlery. They wanted to go to the other extreme far away from them. They were pushed. Trump was waiting there with his arms open.

[Thread]

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

[hater]

That too

[spurraider21]

Of course

They were mad at Obama and Shitlery. They wanted to go to the other extreme far away from them. They were pushed. Trump was waiting there with his arms open.
the most extreme far away from them would have been cruz or carson

[hater]

the most extreme far away from them would have been cruz or carson

Nope

Trump was the only one who said mexicans we dont want you, camels we dont want you. Build a wall, bomb and torture the shit out of them etc etc

Ted Cruz cant match shit

[spurraider21]

Nope

Trump was the only one who said mexicans we dont want you, camels we dont want you. Build a wall, bomb and torture the shit out of them etc etc

Ted Cruz cant match shitno way ted cruz says "gay marriage is settled law" and just lets that slide :lol

[Chucho]

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

And he hasn't come within a timezone of their gallows either. And they hate it. And they wont stop. And he'll continue battling the Nazis because that's what their POTUS does for them. They must remove themselves from the wrong side of history.

But, unlike them, we must be the better people. Forgive them, for they know not what they do. Willfull ignorance was not bliss for them afterall.

[hater]

no way ted cruz says "gay marriage is settled law" and just lets that slide :lol

Shillary said that too she just changed her mind around 2016