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Kori Ellis
10-07-2005, 08:59 PM
Spurs newbies battle for position

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/trainingcamp05/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2183803

ST. THOMAS, U.S. Virgin Islands -- Five early observations from Spurs camp:

1. Point of contention: It's not difficult to imagine Nick Van Exel playing ahead of Tony Parker in the fourth quarter of an NBA Finals game, especially if you remember Speedy Claxton playing ahead of Parker in the big moments of 2003's title series. The hard part, not yet a week into the season, is getting a read on how that threat will impact Parker.

The Spurs still like Beno Udrih as a future contributor, but they targeted Van Exel to be the Robert Horry of their backcourt rotation after Detroit repeatedly rattled Udrih in the Finals with its full-court pressure. Even Parker says he "knew Pop wanted to get somebody who can play under pressure and give us a solid 10 to 15 minutes," but coach Gregg Popovich actually wanted more than that. In Van Exel, he has another dangerous lefty, who, like Manu Ginobili, fears no big shot and can run an offense efficiently when asked.

The Spurs' preferred scenario, of course, is that Van Exel's presence drives Parker to a new level of consistency.

Twice in the Finals and once in a famed second-round fade from 2-0 up against the hated Lakers, Parker has struggled mightily. Yet he's only 23 and certainly still has room for growth.

If he's playing ahead of a healthy Van Exel in crunch time of the big games next spring, that would represent a real step for the Frenchman.

"When you want to win a championship, you can't say no when Nick Van Exel wants to come play for your team," Parker said. "I think we're going to play the same way as always. I just think Michael [Finley] and Nick are going to bring us big baskets when we play tough games."

Said Ginobili: "I think Tony will not be threatened. He knows he's the owner of that position. They just brought Nick to help him out -- and me, too. I don't think its going to be a problem."

2. The other battle: Michael Finley and Bruce Bowen nearly brawled late in the 2003-04 season. The fight ultimately didn't go farther than forearm shoves, but Finley later called the Spurs' stopper a coward, putting himself up there with Seattle's Ray Allen in the Anti-Bowen League.

Now Finley and Bowen are competing for minutes on the same team, but both sides insist that they've quickly buried the animosity. Bowen, in fact, was the first Spur to invite Finley to lunch after the longtime Maverick chose San Antonio over Phoenix and Miami, and Finley said they "put it all on the table."

"It's something that unfortunately happened, but it was on the court," Bowen said. "It wasn't off the court. It had nothing to do with off the court or what I felt about his game.

"When he got here, I said, 'Hey, man, we're going to receive a lot of flak from what has transpired in the past,'" Bowen continued. "I think, in life, you've got to be able to make situations right or address it to where no one is feeling funny. We've done that."

Finley echoed the sentiment, describing the welcome he has received from his new teammates as warmer than he could have ever imagined.

"I really respect him for that," Finley said of Bowen's lunch invite. "All these guys have been so great to me, it just makes me even happier with my decision."

3. A new coach, too: You've heard it from Popovich many times. He has never liked the idea of hiring a free-throw guru to address the Spurs' notorious weak spot. Until now.

Maybe Popovich was merely waiting for the right guru. Chip Engelland, a shooting coach so highly regarded that Steve Kerr used to seek his counsel, has been hired away from the Denver Nuggets to help the Spurs at the line and on the perimeter.

Management is realistic, though. The Spurs will be thrilled if Engelland has a profound impact on Parker, whose poor shooting mechanics have contributed to those struggles on the big stage. Yet they know that Tim Duncan prefers to deal with his free-throw woes alone and thus won't force instruction on him.

4. What kind of camp is it? Loose.

Serious, but not stifling.

Popovich is certainly coaching like a man who expects the usual long grind all the way to late June, limiting the Spurs to one crisp session on all but one day of their Virgin Islands stay, at a time when two-a-days are standard NBA practice.

Following Friday night's open scrimmage -- which drew interest from some 50,000 local fans for fewer than 2,500 available seats -- Pop also scheduled an off-day for Saturday, thus providing a chance for his players to enjoy their exotic locale before a team dinner in the evening.

"It feels great," Van Exel said of his first Spurs camp. "It feels really light, and that's a good thing."

Van Exel has also referred to it as the smoothest camp he has ever seen, although not without a surprise. Ex-Mavericks coach Don Nelson, still a handsomely paid member of the Dallas front office at $5 million this season, was invited by Popovich to fly with the Spurs to St. Thomas as an observer.

Mavericks coach Avery Johnson asked Nelson not to attend the Mavs' camp, prompting Nelson to ask owner Mark Cuban for permission to see some of San Antonio's and Denver's. You can imagine the double-takes from Van Exel and Finley when they saw Nelson on the Spurs' plane.

"Coming to the Virgin Islands, letting Nellie come in here like that ... I'm getting soft," Popovich joked.

5. What kind of place is it? Persistent rain throughout the week denied the Spurs or anyone else visiting from the NBA much chance for in-depth exploring of the islands that produced one of the game's greatest players.

But you saw enough in the hilly terrain -- with its rundown one-lane roads, stormy weather and (very) meager sports facilities beyond those on the University of Virgin Islands campus where the Spurs convened -- to know that Duncan's journey from St. Croix to three-time NBA Finals MVP is more amazing than you ever thought.

It might not be as long and winding as the path Yao Ming traveled from communist China to No. 1 overall pick in the NBA draft . . . but trust us. it's up there.

Horry For 3!
10-07-2005, 09:15 PM
"Coming to the Virgin Islands, letting Nellie come in here like that ... I'm getting soft," Popovich joked.
:lol @ i'm getting soft

Cool article :)

TDMVPDPOY
10-08-2005, 01:25 AM
^^^pop gets hard after a few vodkas and goes serb

milkyway21
10-08-2005, 02:05 AM
The more the merrier, say Spurs, for now
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com


ST. THOMAS, U.S. Virgin Islands -- The homecoming king has returned to his Caribbean roots with a bit of big-league wisdom to dispense after three NBA championships in seven seasons.



Tim Duncan is focused and ready to work for another ring.
Tim Duncan's message to his fawning fellow islanders?


"The year after the championship is usually the toughest."

That is what Duncan announced to the locals at his first media session this week, and that theory helps explain why the San Antonio Spurs are doing things so differently than they did when we last saw them.

Taking training camp to Duncan's native Virgin Islands is just a surface example of the need San Antonio felt to start the new season like never before. Greater evidence is found on the list of names in the team's traveling party at the opulent St. Thomas Ritz-Carlton.

The champs, having always preferred a less-is-more mind-set when assembling their roster, are trying a more-is-more approach for the first time.
Reason being: The Spurs believe it's the approach that can bring them back-to-back championships for the first time, after barely scraping past Detroit in last spring's NBA Finals.

"If given a choice, a coach is always going to vote for more -- as long as it doesn't go over the line," San Antonio coach Gregg Popovich said.

"With less, there's a point where it's too less. And with more there's a point where it's too more. But as long as it's within those boundaries, it can work, and I depend on [players'] character a lot. If you have X amount of talent but you're a little weak on the character side, it's much more likely you're going to have problems with people not being satisfied."

It's far too early, granted, to know how problematic Pop's new world will be. The Spurs look pretty giddy at the moment, but who would expect otherwise after some five practices at a camp site known more for honeymoons and vacations than basketball?

Truth is, for a team as conservative and regimented as the Spurs, undertaking this challenge rivals the Miami Heat's summer makeover. Popovich and front-office ace R.C. Buford have added two former All-Stars (Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel) and one of Europe's best big men (Fabricio Oberto) to their bench, and the new additions aren't the only ones who have to scale their games back.

Van Exel's presence means Tony Parker isn't guaranteed crunch-time minutes, which could cause some strife. Bruce Bowen might likewise be asked to cede the most important minutes to his old rival Finley, depending on whether Popovich needs offense or defense at the time. It's no secret, furthermore, that the Spurs have already shopped (and will continue to shop) Rasho Nesterovic, with a similar fate possibly looming for Brent Barry, last summer's marquee free-agent addition.



Pop helps Fabricio Oberto feel like family.
"I feel very welcome," Van Exel insists, dismissing the notion of a cool reception from Parker and scoffing at the idea that a franchise famed for its egoless aura could suddenly be infected by locker-room selfishness.

"At this point, what I did to get from Denver to Dallas by giving up my seventh year [and waiving a guarantee of nearly $13 million], it's all for the opportunity to win. I want to win a ring. That's all I want. That's all Mike wants. I think both of us have proven over the years that we're unselfish players, no matter what other people say."

Said Robert Horry, who knows how it feels to transition from longtime Spurs playoff foil to key Spurs cog: "It's going to be interesting. It's going to be hard on Pop, because Nick can start for anybody and Mike can start for anybody. Brent can probably start for anybody and Rasho can probably start for anybody.

"But when you think about the guys we have, nobody on this team is really a ball hog. That's the only time you really get in trouble, when you get those guys who are ball hogs and who don't want to play any D. This team loves to play D and we don't have any ball hogs."

This team also has Popovich and Duncan, who have won their three rings with three distinctly different squads, establishing the most envied culture in the league along the way. Tension and in-fighting are undeniable possibilities on a team this deep, but the Spurs have heard considerably more praise and envy than skepticism in the wake of their roster gambles.

It's the Spurs. No one expects the sort of in-house volatility here that Miami's Stan Van Gundy could well see.

"I think the reason why people say it's going to be easier on us is that we just had additions," said All-Star guard Manu Ginobili, Duncan's co-leader. "It's basically the same team plus three new players. Miami changed a lot more than us.

"I think last year we were pretty deep, but this year is just special. Not many teams ever have been [as] deep as we are this year. Everything is going to depend on how smart we are to use that."

That translates to Popovich's knowing he'll "be checking minutes more than I've ever checked before." That could translate to Popovich's taking the bold step of, say, sitting Ginobili or Parker on the second night of a back-to-back, in the quest for long-term freshness.

The coach, though, relishes the possibilities far more than he dreads them. One of his longstanding challenges -- getting messages through to the inconsistent Parker -- is bound to be eased by the newfound ability to yank the Frenchman and make him watch Van Exel run the team.

The option of playing a stopper like Bowen or a scorer like Finley at the finish likewise boosts the Spurs' versatility quotient significantly.

"It's not very often that the starting team is on the court at the end of the game," Popovich notes. "We usually have somebody else on the court for some reason, because of matchups or who's playing well that night."

Don't forget foul trouble and injuries.

"It's a long season, as we've found out in years past," Duncan said. "It'll be great having those [new] guys here. God willing we won't have injury problems, but it happens."

Yet no one likes the more-is-more concept more than Duncan's playoff savior.

[B]"I'm happy to see them here myself," Horry said of Finley and Van Exel, unable to muffle a laugh as he prepared to reference his own reputation for sauntering through the regular season as if he were relaxing on an island somewhere.
"Less work for me."

Really, Horry always fascinates me with his quotes..

:lmao :lmao :lmao

reader
10-08-2005, 04:27 PM
Thanks for posting the articles. It was good to see Manu deflecting some of the Nick talk off of Tony and including himself.

ducks
10-08-2005, 04:56 PM
Said Ginobili: "I think Tony will not be threatened. He knows he's the owner of that position. They just brought Nick to help him out -- and me, too. I don't think its going to be a problem."

ducks
10-08-2005, 04:57 PM
manu they do not want you to him tony out they want you to play the other postion

reader
10-08-2005, 05:11 PM
manu they do not want you to him tony out they want you to play the other postion
Pardon?

MannyIsGod
10-08-2005, 05:45 PM
He was talking about Van Exel helping him out as well, Ducks.

What is up with AJ not letting Nellie go to camp?

1Parker1
10-08-2005, 06:18 PM
manu they do not want you to him tony out they want you to play the other postion


:lmao Duckism


I think Ducks meant that Manu shouldn't have to play the PG position anymore now with NVE and that he should stick to SG.

Samr
10-08-2005, 06:18 PM
Oberto will start by AS break, if not sooner.

Watch.

Nellie will be getting a Spurs paycheck in no more than two years.

Watch.

ALVAREZ6
10-08-2005, 06:40 PM
manu they do not want you to him tony out they want you to play the other postion
:lmao :lmao :lmao

That's one of the best duck quotes ever!

reader
10-08-2005, 07:15 PM
:lmao :lmao :lmao

That's one of the best duck quotes ever!

At least it was not only me, I thought my english as a first language had failed me.

Rick Von Braun
10-08-2005, 09:09 PM
manu they do not want you to him tony out they want you to play the other postion ducks,

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but after so many years I am curious. Where are you originally from (I know you currently live in Arizona) and what is your native language?

I remember several years ago, you shared with us an anectdote regarding a client from Africa... are you originally from there?

ORION
10-08-2005, 09:38 PM
Oberto will start by AS break, if not sooner.

Watch.

Nellie will be getting a Spurs paycheck in no more than two years.

Watch.

for some strange reason I sort of agree with that. Its going to be very interesting to see some of the line ups they throw out there. who is taller nazr or Oberto ? I have read different reports

MannyIsGod
10-08-2005, 09:54 PM
At least it was not only me, I thought my english as a first language had failed me.
:lol As you spend more time here you'll learn to recognize the genius that are "Duckisms".