Favorite new first lady pictures.

[RandomGuy]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0226/7001/files/Paper-Publishes-Naked-Photos-Of-Melania-Trump...-Again_grande.jpg?12612175498129008957

Post 'em here.

Because we are all about staying classy, and what can be more classy than the first lady?

[TeyshaBlue]

This is super important. Good job.

[ducks]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0226/7001/files/Paper-Publishes-Naked-Photos-Of-Melania-Trump...-Again_grande.jpg?12612175498129008957

Post 'em here.

Because we are all about staying classy, and what can be more classy than the first lady?
I know you wish you could get a female that hot

[Clipper Nation]

:lol The Democrats truly are the party of fat chicks and sexless whipped males. They actually think Melania's nudes will make people think LESS of Trump.

[Chris]

:lol Today's Democrats

[RandomGuy]

This is super important. Good job.

Isn't it though?

You think that everybody in the world isn't going to see this?

Every foreign visit she makes, these pictures will be floating around, and people will be snickering behind the president's back, that makes it damn well imporantant.

That is the prism through which the US will be viewed. Thanks Trump.

[hater]

:lmao dat meltdown

[RandomGuy]

:lmao dat meltdown

:lmao dat embarrasment.

You proud of having a first lady like that? really? :lol

[RandomGuy]

I know you wish you could get a female that hot

If I only had hundreds of millions of dollars from my daddy, I sure would.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Isn't it though?

You think that everybody in the world isn't going to see this?

Every foreign visit she makes, these pictures will be floating around, and people will be snickering behind the president's back, that makes it damn well imporantant.

That is the prism through which the US will be viewed. Thanks Trump.


Stop embarrassing yourself. I'm not one to call another man a beta fag but I'm getting close.

[RandomGuy]

Weeee. This is fun already. Four more years of this circus.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4-iam7uCI-o/hqdefault.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Stop embarrassing yourself. I'm not one to call another man a beta fag but I'm getting close.

What, this is the kind of shit that was directed at Obama for 8 years. I thought that this is the new normal. I mean its perfectly acceptable, right?

You saying that it isn't worthy discourse? Why not?

[TheSanityAnnex]

What, this is the kind of shit that was directed at Obama for 8 years. I thought that this is the new normal. I mean its perfectly acceptable, right?

You saying that it isn't worthy discourse? Why not?

You are free to keep embarrassing yourself here, I'll step out of your way.

[Axl Rose]

:lmao dat embarrasment.

You proud of having a first lady like that? really? :lol

stop pretending to have morals, or as you faggots call it "slut shaming"

[baseline bum]

RG man, why you going jeebotard here?

[ducks]

If I only had hundreds of millions of dollars from my daddy, I sure would.

he paid it back
poor you the government did not give you a million dollar hand out

[Clipper Nation]

Weeee. This is fun already. Four more years of this circus.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4-iam7uCI-o/hqdefault.jpg
We all know you're beet red and fuming behind the keyboard right now - no matter how hard you try to convince us that you're "having fun."

[RandomGuy]

You are free to keep embarrassing yourself here, I'll step out of your way.

Obama's out of control
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249932


Top Obama donor/gay activist accused of child rape
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241459

Happy Birthday Obama!
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=238127

As I have said before, this is just you, and just a few that I found after a search.

Were these important somehow?

[spurraider21]

Isn't it though?

You think that everybody in the world isn't going to see this?

Every foreign visit she makes, these pictures will be floating around, and people will be snickering behind the president's back, that makes it damn well imporantant.

That is the prism through which the US will be viewed. Thanks Trump.weren't you saying we shouldn't judge hillary for bill's actions?

[RandomGuy]

RG man, why you going jeebotard here?

Not really.

It is amusing to see people who blather on about family values squirm though.

[Clipper Nation]

:madrun "Hahahaha! Isn't Trump so awful for having a hot wife who looks amazing naked? I'm totally not butthurt or melting down right now!" :madrun

[DMC]

So it's supposed to be embarrassing for someone to show skin but not for your husband to cigar fuck an intern in the oval office?

[RandomGuy]

:lol Today's Democrats

We learned a lot from how to win a propaganda war from Fox news. Just a matter of time before we got to put those lessons into action.

Isn't our country great again yet?

[RandomGuy]

So it's supposed to be embarrassing for someone to show skin but not for your husband to cigar fuck an intern in the oval office?

Both are embarrassing, aren't they?

Dang. Looks like a struck a nerve here. Nothing like boobies to get people riled up.

[Clipper Nation]

We learned a lot from how to win a propaganda war from Fox news. Just a matter of time before we got to put those lessons into action.

Isn't our country great again yet?
You think spreading the nudes of Trump's insanely hot wife will make people dislike Trump. You might want to rethink your "propaganda war," because you fucking suck at this so far.

[Chris]

We learned a lot from how to win a propaganda war from Fox news. Just a matter of time before we got to put those lessons into action.

Isn't our country great again yet?

Absolutely. The people have turned their back on Media and turned to alternative sources to get the real information. Why are you so quick to judge Trump and his wife when he hasn't even had a chance to fuck up yet?

[rmt]

Isn't it though?

You think that everybody in the world isn't going to see this?

Every foreign visit she makes, these pictures will be floating around, and people will be snickering behind the president's back, that makes it damn well imporantant.

That is the prism through which the US will be viewed. Thanks Trump.

Don't think Melania will be too worried about what others think. She'll be married to a very rich man in addition to the most powerful man in the world.

[DMC]

Both are embarrassing, aren't they?

Dang. Looks like a struck a nerve here. Nothing like boobies to get people riled up.
No they aren't remotely the same. Having a hot wife is a positive. Trumps wife's ass would make Hillary's daughter a Sunday face.

lol pulling the Chumpdumper/Fuzzy card "riling people up" because you're getting shit on.

[RandomGuy]

https://i.imgflip.com/19jea4.jpg

[RandomGuy]

You think spreading the nudes of Trump's insanely hot wife will make people dislike Trump. You might want to rethink your "propaganda war," because you fucking suck at this so far.

Quick yes or no, do you think evangelicals will be comfortable with those pictures?

... or will it make them less likely to vote for his second term?

I await your honest answers.

[Clipper Nation]

Quick yes or no, do you think evangelicals will be comfortable with those pictures?

... or will it make them less likely to vote for his second term?

I await your honest answers.
Evangelicals already voted for Trump once despite his known public history of womanizing. It's safe to say they don't give a fuck about Melania's nudes. Nobody does, other than liberals who want to pretend they have "morals" now.

[rmt]

Quick yes or no, do you think evangelicals will be comfortable with those pictures?

... or will it make them less likely to vote for his second term?

I await your honest answers.

RG, I am an evangelical, and they didn't stop me from voting for Trump. What she did before she married Trump isn't important to him being president.

[RandomGuy]

RG, I am an evangelical, and they didn't stop me from voting for Trump. What she did before she married Trump isn't important to him being president.

Fair enough. I stand corrected by actual first hand evidence.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60495026.jpg..

[RandomGuy]

Man, does this mean I have to go back to boring soul searching and policy discussions now? :depressed

I must admit doing a ducks style thread was kind of fun, where the truth doesn't matter, and you can say all the stupid troll shit that comes to mind.

[hater]

RG man, why you going jeebotard here?

:lol

The butthurt. He cannot contain himself

[DarrinS]

Yeah, we've seen those before. Hope OP got some feels out. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Isn't it though?

You think that everybody in the world isn't going to see this?

Every foreign visit she makes, these pictures will be floating around, and people will be snickering behind the president's back, that makes it damn well imporantant.

That is the prism through which the US will be viewed. Thanks Trump.
Sorry little champion. Everybody in the world doesnt see things the way you do.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Fair enough. I stand corrected by actual first hand evidence.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60495026.jpg..
Read an NPR article saying Trump got more of the evangelical vote than Romney.

[UZER]

Nobody wants to see nudes of Michael.

[Drachen]

Isn't it though?

You think that everybody in the world isn't going to see this?

Every foreign visit she makes, these pictures will be floating around, and people will be snickering behind the president's back, that makes it damn well imporantant.

That is the prism through which the US will be viewed. Thanks Trump.

No random, this isn't important. All this means is that no Republican of voting age today can ever say anything about family values until they die. Other than that, it's not important.

[SnakeBoy]

RG man, why you going jeebotard here?

The election wrecked him so he's searching for his new identity.

[rmt]

No random, this isn't important. All this means is that no Republican of voting age today can ever say anything about family values until they die. Other than that, it's not important.

I doubt that any Republican is thinking about family values or Melania's nude pictures when voting for Trump - more likely it's the Supreme Court. Well, maybe not the Mormons - iirc they're the only group that voted less for Trump than Romney.

[Winehole23]

this is bullshit, RG. shame on you.

[Winehole23]

this is little different than complaining about Michelle Obama's muscular arms or comparing her to a gorilla.

[Winehole23]

attack Trump all day long, but dragging his family in for ridicule is bush league.

[rmt]

this is little different than complaining about Michelle Obama's muscular arms or comparing her to a gorilla.

Well, I happen to admire her "muscular arms" - although I'd call them toned. That area (under the arm) is difficult as a woman ages.

[Winehole23]

hear, hear

[RandomGuy]

No random, this isn't important. All this means is that no Republican of voting age today can ever say anything about family values until they die. Other than that, it's not important.

That is another outgrowth of it, yes, although the constant stream of Christian politicians who bitch about morals and homosexuals who end up with sex-related scandals is almost not even a thing anymore.

[RandomGuy]

RG, I am an evangelical, and they didn't stop me from voting for Trump. What she did before she married Trump isn't important to him being president.

Now my curiosity is peaked, though.

I think I know mostly what you think Trumps main strength is: his business experience.

The problem with Trumps business acumen, is that he really isn't all that good at what people think he is. He isn't really all that much of a builder. Sure he builds things, but his real strength isn't building, its marketing.

A good businessman, who has a solid grasp of business, would not have built casinos in Atlantic City, a market that was saturated, and under some obvious competitive pressures.

Trump has built hotels recently. Also not really a brainy idea, but rather a "me too" copycat. Hotel space was constrained in the financial crisis, and supply of that lags demand. Everybody and their brother is building hotels now.

Comb through his businesses, and you see licensing and branding. His run for the presidency has ruined that brand. People are shunning it, and several of his businesses have started oh-so-quietly changing their names. (click for link to article) (http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2016/10/25/why-trump-is-changing-name-new-brand-hotels.html)

Given the fact that we can't truly know how much his net worth actually is, it is hard to get any objective look, other than the above analysis. The fact that his business acumen is even arguable, let alone pretty credibly so, should be cause for some skepticism.

That aside, what else is important to you? What does he do/say that makes you want to vote for him?

What single policy is most important for action?

[DMC]

People vote privately and speak publicly. What evangelicals or any other individuals think privately and do publicly are likely not the same. You have to be mindful of who is ready to vote you off the island on a secret ballot.

[RandomGuy]

attack Trump all day long, but dragging his family in for ridicule is bush league.

Mea culpla. Drachen got the point I was trying to make, which was one of hypocrisy.

I have gotten it out of my system. Stooping to Darrin/Ducks level was fun to troll the normal trolls. Important only to make a couple of minor points.

The next four years will offer so much more, and better ammunition to point out Republican policy/rhetorical failures.

[RandomGuy]

People vote privately and speak publicly. What evangelicals or any other individuals think privately and do publicly are likely not the same. You have to be mindful of who is ready to vote you off the island on a secret ballot.

Apt analogy, as we now have a reality show society, run by a reality TV star. Welcome to the country the Republican party has been striving for. One party, with a majority of the country disenfranchised. It just took enough lies to make it happen, who would have thought?

That said, it is time for Democrats to start making some sense to white people who don't live in cities. Given how impoverished the Republican party is when it comes to working policy ideas, it won't take much to tip that balance.

[TeyshaBlue]

Disenfeanchised? :lmao
Obama wins and its the will of the people. Trump wins and its disenfranchisement. Holy fuck.

[DMC]

Apt analogy, as we now have a reality show society, run by a reality TV star. Welcome to the country the Republican party has been striving for. One party, with a majority of the country disenfranchised. It just took enough lies to make it happen, who would have thought?

That said, it is time for Democrats to start making some sense to white people who don't live in cities. Given how impoverished the Republican party is when it comes to working policy ideas, it won't take much to tip that balance.

The majority of the country is white. They are never disenfranchised. They just didn't get their favorite election year video game character. Those who cared about it the most voted the most. It's not an ongoing process, it ended already.

In losing years dems really care about the EC. In winning years it's all good.

[RandomGuy]

Disenfeanchised? :lmao
Obama wins and its the will of the people. Trump wins and its disenfranchisement. Holy fuck.

Not what I am saying at all, and something of a strawman.

Please try again, you are, and can do, better, unlike some others here.

[DMC]

Disenfeanchised? :lmao
Obama wins and its the will of the people. Trump wins and its disenfranchisement. Holy fuck.

popular vote:cry:cry

[DMC]

Not what I am saying at all, and something of a strawman.

Please try again, you are, and can do, better, unlike some others here.
Says the guy who dragged Trump's wife into the argument as if she ran for office.

[RandomGuy]

In losing years dems really care about the EC. In winning years it's all good.

Agreed. The perennial loser's call to abolish the EC is both predictable, and pointless on both sides.

[TeyshaBlue]

Not what I am saying at all, and something of a strawman.

Please try again, you are, and can do, better, unlike some others here.

You used the term disenfranchised....not me.

[RandomGuy]

popular vote:cry:cry

Here is something to think about though.

Democrats, as a whole, tend to vote a rates less than Republicans.

Let's do some math.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?

[TeyshaBlue]

I guess whomever loses could call themselves disenfranchised.... But that's not exactly the correct usage.

[RandomGuy]

You used the term disenfranchised....not me.


dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb

deprived of power; marginalized. (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=disenfranchised)

Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors
Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
Senate is GOP
House is GOP
Executive branch is GOP

Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?

[tlongII]

I think I figured out who Bonnerific is.

[DMC]

Here is something to think about though.

Democrats, as a whole, tend to vote a rates less than Republicans.

Let's do some math.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?

Since there is more than one population to consider, because of the EC, your analogy is bad. States have voting rights. People do not. Popular vote is an illusion created by media. It only matters inside the state, not between states. It's not the United State of America. The word "States" is plural for a reason.

[rmt]

Here is something to think about though.

Democrats, as a whole, tend to vote a rates less than Republicans.

Let's do some math.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?

All it means is that it was in the hands of group 1 and they have no one to blame but themselves.

[RandomGuy]

Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Here is something to think about though.

Democrats, as a whole, tend to vote a rates less than Republicans.

Let's do some math.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?



Since there is more than one population to consider, because of the EC, your analogy is bad. States have voting rights. People do not. Popular vote is an illusion created by media. It only matters inside the state, not between states. It's not the United State of America. The word "States" is plural for a reason.

Not really what I asked. I didn't ask you to comment on the aptness of the analogy. We can get to that later.

This is what is meant by "talking past" people. You completely ignored the point I was making, and talked about something else.

Do you think people talking past each other are really communicating? If not, do you think that is constructive?

[rmt]

dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb

deprived of power; marginalized. (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=disenfranchised)

Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors
Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
Senate is GOP
House is GOP
Executive branch is GOP

Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?

The Democrats have no one else to blame but themselves. If they had come out and voted, there wouldn't have been such a landslide. Why do you think there was this result?

[RandomGuy]

Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Here is something to think about though.

Democrats, as a whole, tend to vote a rates less than Republicans.

Let's do some math.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?


All it means is that it was in the hands of group 1 and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Not really what I asked. I didn't ask you to comment on the potential moral failings of one group. We can get to that later. I have thought a few steps ahead of you on that one, and will take you to some conclusions you won't like about that either.

This is what is meant by "talking past" people. You completely ignored the point I was making, and talked about something else.

Do you think people talking past each other are really communicating? If not, do you think that is constructive?

[DMC]

Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Here is something to think about though.

Democrats, as a whole, tend to vote a rates less than Republicans.

Let's do some math.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?




Not really what I asked. I didn't ask you to comment on the aptness of the analogy. We can get to that later.

This is what is meant by "talking past" people. You completely ignored the point I was making, and talked about something else.

Do you think people talking past each other are really communicating? If not, do you think that is constructive?

I don't comment on bad analogies.

[RandomGuy]

Do you think people talking past each other are really communicating? If not, do you think that is constructive?


I don't comment on bad analogies.

Again, not really the question I asked.

This is what is meant by "talking past" people. You completely ignored the point I was making, and talked about something else.

Do you think people talking past each other are really communicating? If not, do you think that is constructive?

[DMC]

The Democrats have no one else to blame but themselves. If they had come out and voted, there wouldn't have been such a landslide. Why do you think there was this result?

Plus if they had the right to vote they weren't disenfranchised. They just declined.

[RandomGuy]

Time's up.

I have work to do. Thanks for the discussion, such as it was. See you in a few hours.

[DMC]

Do you think people talking past each other are really communicating? If not, do you think that is constructive?



Again, not really the question I asked.

This is what is meant by "talking past" people. You completely ignored the point I was making, and talked about something else.

Do you think people talking past each other are really communicating? If not, do you think that is constructive?
><))))))))>

I don't follow red herrings either.

[RandomGuy]

Plus if they had the right to vote they weren't disenfranchised. They just declined.


dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb

deprived of power; marginalized. (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=disenfranchised)

Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors
Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
Senate is GOP
House is GOP
Executive branch is GOP

Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?

[RandomGuy]

><))))))))>

I don't follow red herrings either.

Not really a red herring. I was merely trying to politely re-direct you to a way of communicating that was constructive, with the intention of completing my point.

If I cannot get an honest answer from you when I ask questions, so that we can find out what we are talking about and some agreement on terms and important ideas, that makes it impossible to have constructive conversations.

Google the term a bit, do some reading, and see if what I did really constitutes a red herring. Your posts fit the pattern much more than mine, something you would see if you analysed it a bit.

[rmt]

Hillary has no one to blame but herself - she set up the private server, she based her campaign on sexism, racism, other isms. Trump saw that the country was hurting for jobs - fulfilling basic needs - who cares about those isms when you're worried about surviving? Look, dh was out of work for 5 months from late 2015 to early 2016 - never had he been out of work for that long. During that time I (who had never been involved in politics) started paying attention and chose Trump - not because he represented my values but because I thought he would best survive the pile-on that was coming, because he was not beholden to anyone (the way Cruz, Rubio or any of the others would be) and could possible change the way the country was going (remember 2/3 of the nation doesn't like the direction of the country).

This is the conclusion I'm coming to: a lot of people on this board (and those protesting) need to get out there and help change things instead of whining about the isms. People are hurting and sitting here arguing on a message board ain't helping anyone.

[DMC]

Not really a red herring. I was merely trying to politely re-direct you to a way of communicating that was constructive, with the intention of completing my point.

If I cannot get an honest answer from you when I ask questions, so that we can find out what we are talking about and some agreement on terms and important ideas, that makes it impossible to have constructive conversations.

Google the term a bit, do some reading, and see if what I did really constitutes a red herring. Your posts fit the pattern much more than mine, something you would see if you analysed it a bit.

ITT you have images of Trump's nude wife and you want to redirect me? lol.. sanctimonious much?

[DMC]

dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb

deprived of power; marginalized. (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=disenfranchised)

Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors
Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
Senate is GOP
House is GOP
Executive branch is GOP

Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?

No it doesn't.

Because losing in an election doesn't deprive you of the power to elect.

Plus you truncated the definition, no doubt intentionally to avoid being wrong.

dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb
past tense: disenfranchised; past participle: disenfranchised
deprive (someone) of the right to vote.
"the law disenfranchised some 3,000 voters on the basis of a residence qualification"
deprived of power; marginalized.
"a hard core of kids who are disenfranchised and don't feel connected to the school"
deprive (someone) of a right or privilege.
"a measure that would disenfranchise people from access to legal advice"

[TeyshaBlue]

dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb

deprived of power; marginalized. (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=disenfranchised)

Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors
Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
Senate is GOP
House is GOP
Executive branch is GOP

Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?

Because it's temporary...and the result of very public and very reversible actions (votes). This is not disenfranchisement, it instead, is losing an election. Had the Dems considered reaching out to those who felt marginalized (not disenfranchised), the results could have been much different. But they did not. The result is losing an election cycle, not disenfranchisement.

[RandomGuy]

No it doesn't.

Because losing in an election doesn't deprive you of the power to elect.

Plus you truncated the definition, no doubt intentionally to avoid being wrong.

dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb
past tense: disenfranchised; past participle: disenfranchised
deprive (someone) of the right to vote.
"the law disenfranchised some 3,000 voters on the basis of a residence qualification"
deprived of power; marginalized.
"a hard core of kids who are disenfranchised and don't feel connected to the school"
deprive (someone) of a right or privilege.
"a measure that would disenfranchise people from access to legal advice"

I selected the usage of the word that was closest to what I meant by "disenfranchised". I left the link there to allow anyone, including you, to find the other definitions.

TeyshaBlue thought I meant "lose the vote", I meant "lose power, marginalize". The intent was to show the additional usage of the word and clarify. To say I did it to "intentionally to avoid being wrong" is not accurate, if it were, I would not have provided the link. I could have been a bit clearer about it, though, but didn't think it important enough to spend time on. Your need to show that I am somehow dishonest obviated that, sadly.

[RandomGuy]

><))))))))>

I don't follow red herrings either.

Hopefully by now, you have done a bit of reading about what is, or is not a red herring. Since your posts were the red herrings, we can get back to the issue of disenfranchisement, and the moral implications of election results.

Let's do some math, and think about the implications of votes.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this total population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?

[RandomGuy]

Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Let's do some math, and think about the implications of votes.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?


Hillary has no one to blame but herself - she set up the private server, she based her campaign on sexism, racism, other isms. Trump saw that the country was hurting for jobs - fulfilling basic needs - who cares about those isms when you're worried about surviving? Look, dh was out of work for 5 months from late 2015 to early 2016 - never had he been out of work for that long. During that time I (who had never been involved in politics) started paying attention and chose Trump - not because he represented my values but because I thought he would best survive the pile-on that was coming, because he was not beholden to anyone (the way Cruz, Rubio or any of the others would be) and could possible change the way the country was going (remember 2/3 of the nation doesn't like the direction of the country).

This is the conclusion I'm coming to: a lot of people on this board (and those protesting) need to get out there and help change things instead of whining about the isms. People are hurting and sitting here arguing on a message board ain't helping anyone.


Be happy to get to your point, but I would like to be allowed to make mine first, if you would.

I removed a bit to help remove what I think is blocking understanding and communication. My questions are simple, but important. I think we can get to an agreement if you would do me the kindness/favor of following along. Please.

[RandomGuy]

[it's not ]Because it's temporary...and the result of very public and very reversible actions (votes). This is not disenfranchisement, it instead, is losing an election. Had the Dems considered reaching out to those who felt marginalized (not disenfranchised), the results could have been much different. But they did not. The result is losing an election cycle, not disenfranchisement.

Disenfranchised for a minute, or disenfranchised for two to four years, both are still marginalizations, and should be taken seriously for reasons I am attempting to explain.

[Clipper Nation]

dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb

deprived of power; marginalized. (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=disenfranchised)


Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors
Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
Senate is GOP
House is GOP
Executive branch is GOP

Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?
You "disenfranchised" yourselves by losing so badly. Maybe next time, don't treat everyone outside of your party like shit and don't nominate candidates who can't win.

[TeyshaBlue]

Disenfranchised for a minute, or disenfranchised for two to four years, both are still marginalizations, and should be taken seriously for reasons I am attempting to explain.

I'll go with marginalization..for whatever period. Consequences also works.

[TeyshaBlue]

Pretty much happens around election time.

[SnakeBoy]

dis·en·fran·chise
ˌdisənˈfran(t)SHīz/
verb

deprived of power; marginalized. (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=disenfranchised)

Most governorships are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors
Most state legislatures are GOP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures
Senate is GOP
House is GOP
Executive branch is GOP

Does this meet the above given definition regarding Democrats in the US in general? Why or why not?

Okay so by your thinking the list of disenfranchised is now...

America First Party
America's Party
American Party
American Shopping Party
Americans Elect Party
Conservative Party
Constitution Party
Democratic Party
Ecology Party
Grassroots Party
Green Party
Justice Party
Labor Party
Legal Marijuana Now Party
Libertarian Party
Liberty Union Party
Moderate Party
Mountain Party
Natural Law Party
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Peace and Freedom Party
Progressive Party
Reform Party
United Citizens Party
Various parties calling themselves
"Independent" or "Independence" parties
Women's Equality Party
Working Families Party

[DMC]

Hopefully by now, you have done a bit of reading about what is, or is not a red herring. Since your posts were the red herrings, we can get back to the issue of disenfranchisement, and the moral implications of election results.

Let's do some math, and think about the implications of votes.

Given: Policy A

Group #1, oppose Policy A
100 people voting at a rate of 35% means 35 votes.

Group #2, support Policy A
36 votes for people voting at a rate of 50% means how many people support policy A?

What does this say in general about this total population's overall viewpoint of Policy A?

Well no, the OP is about nude photos of Donald's wife.

[DMC]

You "disenfranchised" yourselves by losing so badly. Maybe next time, don't treat everyone outside of your party like shit and don't renominate candidates who can't win.

fify

[DMC]

I selected the usage of the word that was closest to what I meant by "disenfranchised". I left the link there to allow anyone, including you, to find the other definitions.

TeyshaBlue thought I meant "lose the vote", I meant "lose power, marginalize". The intent was to show the additional usage of the word and clarify. To say I did it to "intentionally to avoid being wrong" is not accurate, if it were, I would not have provided the link. I could have been a bit clearer about it, though, but didn't think it important enough to spend time on. Your need to show that I am somehow dishonest obviated that, sadly.

I think I did already. Just look at the OP and work your way down.

[AFBlue]

Let's compare the new First Lady with what would've been the "First Gentleman". One took nude photos, the other shoved a cigar up the vagina of a staffer in the White House and much more. Oh and just like these pictures, it's publicly available in a report for anyone to read. I'm sure you can also google pictures of "blue dress." Tell me again which is more of an embarrassment?

[DarrinS]

I like Michelle Obama, tbh. If I've ever posted negative shit about her, I regret it.

I just think she's a class act, tbh. Her speech at the DNC was the best one IMHO.

[DarrinS]

Damn, AFBlue went in raw. :lol

[johnsmith]

"Trump disrespects women"....so my response will be to complain about his wife. Touch hypocritical isn't it?


I also really liked when the OP discovered that everyone was shitting on him he switched to the Avantesque strategy of "I was totally trolling and now I'm super smart and mature again".


Melting the fuck down....LOL

[johnsmith]

The crying from the left is making me so much happier with the results of this election.


"Did you hear hat Trump said he wouldn't honor the results of the election if he lost? That's why we hate him".....wait, we didn't win? Quick everyone, protest the fuck out of this!!!

[boutons_deux]

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/melania_-_copie_6.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1328&h=882&crop=1

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/melania_-_copie_2.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1280

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/melania_1a.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1091

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/melania_-_copie_13.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1280

[boutons_deux]

Trump's wife posing with gun...Thong and Boots..And they had a problem with Michelle's bare arms. (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/21/1529429/-Trump-s-wife-posing-with-gun-Thong-and-Boots-And-they-had-a-problem-with-Michelle-s-bare-arms)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/254075/story_image/Melanie_Trump.jpg?1463873706

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/21/1529429/-Trump-s-wife-posing-with-gun-Thong-and-Boots-And-they-had-a-problem-with-Michelle-s-bare-arms

TSA is jerking off, and or fingering her clit

[Nbadan]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15027546_10157611684660276_8833691952512349521_n.j pg?oh=8d7fda8085ceb34a897fe081d1858caa&oe=588FF578

[mingus]

Isn't it though?

You think that everybody in the world isn't going to see this?

Every foreign visit she makes, these pictures will be floating around, and people will be snickering behind the president's back, that makes it damn well imporantant.

That is the prism through which the US will be viewed. Thanks Trump.

I just don't get this kind of shit.

Who am I to judge her past? Who are you to judge it? People experiment w/ shit, go through phases, figure out who they are, where their place is in life. They, you know, make mistakes by taking risks, try new/different things, learn (or don't learn).

You sound like a boring ass fuck.

[boutons_deux]

People experiment w/ shit, go through phases, figure out who they are, where their place is in life.

Do most women whore themselves out and do soft porn as they figure out who they are?

You rightwingnutjobs, esp the grifter Christian Taliban pastors, forgive Trash and his whore wife for their "sins", but absolutely refuse to forget Clinton's pandering. Fucking hypocrites

Repug deficits and sins don't matter, but Dems deficits and sins are eternally unforgivable.

.

[CosmicCowboy]

http://gq-images.condecdn.net/image/jvRL9DO5y93/crop/810

Hope she does more.

[mingus]

Do most women whore themselves out and do soft porn as they figure out who they are?

You rightwingnutjobs, esp the grifter Christian Taliban pastors, forgive Trash and his whore wife for their "sins", but absolutely refuse to forget Clinton's pandering. Fucking hypocrites

Repug deficits and sins don't matter, but Dems deficits and sins are eternally unforgivable.

.

Can't believe ppl have so little dignity & basic empathy & perspective to come to the types of conclusions you are coming to. It's an illness really.

This is a woman who grew up under completely different circumstances than most woman.

Anybody who's worth getting to know has a fucking journey in which they made stupid mistakes in the past, maybe things they look back on & regret...but in the end that's the game, it's how ppl mature. If you don't have them you're prolly a lame miserable boring fuck.

Splaying snapshots of you in those moments & making a fucking broadsweeping judgement about who you are would be disgusting & so wrong on my part.

And yet this is exactly what you are doing here. It's disgusting. You treat her & every other person, who are defined by 1000s of layers as a human, as cardboard cutouts. Speaks a lot about you. You & ppl like you make reality what they want it to be. It's logic that extends to & pollutes every corner of your brain. Like I said, it's a sickness.

[spurraider21]

boutons the misogynist

[Chucho]

Boutons the bigot

Boutons the racist

Boutons the retarded

Boutons the hypocrite

Boutons the hate monger

Boutons the war-mongering Obama apologist

Boutons the identity politics practitioner

Boutons the sour grapes farmer

Boutons the deplorable

Boutons the butt hurt


ALL of these are accurate descriptions. Wait for any reply and observe for yourself. Dude is seriously one sick sociopath.

[SnakeBoy]

Man I hope the Democrats continue down the road of complete meltdown they are on.

[boutons_deux]

Can't believe ppl have so little dignity & basic empathy & perspective to come to the types of conclusions you are coming to. It's an illness really.

This is a woman who grew up under completely different circumstances than most woman.


Lots of (poor, even good looking) women grow up in unfavorable circumstances, but the vast majority of them don't whore themselves out.

"stupid mistakes" :lol

You mean like tripping over something in the side walk?

or

whoring yourself out of Slovenia and into NY modeling sexual-abuse pit, soft-core porn pics for years?

I guess Bill's philandering and Hillary's "lesbianism" aren't "mistakes" for you? :lol

Have you looked up her biography? Read the comments of her family and friends? Do her early years' circumstances sound like what she did was her "desperate" path?

[CosmicCowboy]

Lots of (poor, even good looking) women grow up in unfavorable circumstances, but the vast majority of them don't whore themselves out.

"stupid mistakes" :lol

You mean like tripping over something in the side walk?

or

whoring yourself out of Slovenia and into NY modeling sexual-abuse pit, soft-core pics for years?

I guess Bill's philandering and Hillary's "lesbianism" aren't "mistakes" for you? :lol

Have you looked up her biography? Read the comments of her family and friends?

Boos obsessed. Someone notify the Secret Service.

[vy65]

wow. lotsa slut shaming going on in this thread. I thought a woman was free to do what she liked with her body. Nudie pics doesn't make a lady a whore

smh. such intolerance

[vy65]

never seen a poster so upset over the female body -- biblethumper_deux having a complete meltdown

[z0sa]

Disappointing thread from my man RG. You are better than this man. Dont betray your principles to attack someone

[boutons_deux]

:lol Rightwingnutjobs whining about "principles" :lol defending a trashy First Lady, which matches her Trashy hubby.

[vy65]

slutshamer_deux spamming another thread. don't you have a woman to beat?

[boutons_deux]

I thought a woman was free to do what she liked with her body. Nudie pics doesn't make a lady a whore

:lol Really? tell that to the pro-birth crowd. Trash said he wants to jail women for having an abortion, but will do nothing to the men who get them pregnant.

soft porn pics? If you think that is all that went on, you need to read up on that industry and the modeling industry.

[CosmicCowboy]

slutshamer_deux spamming another thread. don't you have a woman to beat?

Boo doesn't want America to be Great again. :lol

[vy65]

:lol Really? tell that to the pro-birth crowd. Trash said he wants to jail women for having an abortion, but will do nothing to the men who get them pregnant.

soft porn pics? If you think that is all that went on, you need to read up on that industry and the modeling industry.

No, I'm telling it to you since you're the one so upset over a naked woman and are bible thumping.

:lmao baptist_deux

[spurraider21]

Booboo hypocritically slut shames in an attempt to accuse the right of hypocrisy. Just lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

boo has lost it

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

http://i.imgur.com/hoWNTs0.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

Boo wants the first lady in a burqa.

[TeyshaBlue]

Booboo hypocritically slut shames in an attempt to accuse the right of hypocrisy. Just lol
:lmao

[spurraider21]

baptist_deux
:lmao

[boutons_deux]

:lmao

no slut shaming, the First Slut is a slut.

[tlongII]

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/U/j/dem_party_seal.jpg

[vy65]

burqa_deux wants his women covered up.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/p50x50/1546288_739919436097417_1445534018300893810_n.png? oh=a19e7c964614aad77cbaee4b4ac5c2c6&oe=58C7C7B1
(https://www.facebook.com/reverbpress/?ref=nf)

College Degree Suddenly Vanishes From Melania Trump’s Official Bio
Melania Trump's official biography suggests that she never finished her degree in Slovenia, as she had previously claimed

https://www.facebook.com/reverbpress/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf

Maybe she could get a Certificate of Presence from Trash U.

btw, Don the Con "never settle" is going to settle his Trash U suit for $20M+.

[RandomGuy]

Well no, the OP is about nude photos of Donald's wife.

If you wish, I can start an entire thread on the subject of voting percentages and disenfranchisement.

Ah well. I tried being polite. It's on you if you can't be honest, not me.

[TeyshaBlue]

If you wish, I can start an entire thread on the subject of voting percentages and disenfranchisement.

Ah well. I tried being polite. It's on you if you can't be honest, not me.

Such a polite OP.

[DMC]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0226/7001/files/Paper-Publishes-Naked-Photos-Of-Melania-Trump...-Again_grande.jpg?12612175498129008957

Post 'em here.

Because we are all about staying classy, and what can be more classy than the first lady?


If you wish, I can start an entire thread on the subject of voting percentages and disenfranchisement.

Ah well. I tried being polite. It's on you if you can't be honest, not me.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well your fake morals are still alive and pathetic you ignorant cow

burqa-bonnerific and burqa-deux.

who knew?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Burqarific

[boutons_deux]

Melania is soft-core-porn slut and very probably was a whore as model.

Really hurts you Trash voters to see his wifey called trash.

[Clipper Nation]

Melania is soft-core-porn slut and very probably was a whore as model.

Really hurts you Trash voters to see his wifey called trash.
So which outfit do you think she should wear?

http://i.imgur.com/rtx7r5v.jpg

[CosmicCowboy]

Melania is soft-core-porn slut and very probably was a whore as model.

Really hurts you Trash voters to see his wifey called trash.

Do any fashion models not do partial nudity at some point? Goes with the territory.

burqa-deux is an idiot.

[CosmicCowboy]

I thought you weren't going to vote for trump?

Was that as real as your promise to the kids?

I didn't have to vote for Trump to call you a hypocritical faggot.

[CosmicCowboy]

Hmm. Your anger betrays you. Seems you really are nothing more than a simple pathetic liar.

Just pointing out the irony of you having no reservations about cursing out a lady in the most graphic and disgusting terms on the internet yet professing to be offended by a model showing her breasts.

Do you have mommy issues?

[boutons_deux]

Melania is soft-core-porn slut and very probably was a whore as model.

Really hurts you Trash voters to see his wifey called ACCURATELY as cheap trash.

CosmicParasite, she posed totally NUDE, and as lesbian spooning . :lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Melania is soft-core-porn slut and very probably was a whore as model.

Really hurts you Trash voters to see his wifey called ACCURATELY as cheap trash.

CosmicParasite, she posed totally NUDE, and as lesbian spooning . :lol




And? I'd rather have a funny whore with a heck of a personality who's great on policy than a fucking choir boy/girl communist.

[CosmicCowboy]

Melania is soft-core-porn slut and very probably was a whore as model.

Really hurts you Trash voters to see his wifey called ACCURATELY as cheap trash.

CosmicParasite, she posed totally NUDE, and as lesbian spooning . :lol




burqa-deaux, so you prejudiced against LGBTQ'S?

[Joseph Kony]

Melania trump kinda looks like Caitlyn Jenner, imo...

[UNT Eagles 2016]

For the sake of fucking over the islamic oppressive misogynist body-shaming culture for good, I hope the first woman president is, a Republican atheist with an IQ over 160, an ex nude supermodel cougar milf in her late 30s/early 40s with the body and beauty of a goddess who promises the country she'll deliver at least half of her speeches and appear publicly completely naked at least half the time. And follows through, and then some. And encourages women age 18-49 across the world to take off their clothes and for the world to enjoy the impeccable beauty of the unclothed female physique.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

burqa-deaux, so you prejudiced against LGBTQ'S?
libtards are the biggest hypocrites in the universe, tbh. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Questions linger about how Melania Trump, a Slovenian model, scored ‘the Einstein visa’

In 2000, Melania Knauss, a Slovenian model dating Donald Trump, began petitioning the government for the right to permanently reside in the United States under a program

reserved for people with “extraordinary ability.”

Knauss’s credentials included runway shows in Europe, a Camel cigarette billboard ad in Times Square and — in her biggest job at the time — a spot in the swimsuit edition of Sports Illustrated, which featured her on the beach in a string bikini, hugging (https://www.si.com/swim-daily/2014/10/23/tbt-melania-knauss-trump-cozies-up-to-shamu-2000)a six-foot inflatable whale.

In March 2001, she was granted a green card in the elite EB-1 program,

which was designed for renowned academic researchers, multinational business executives or those in other fields, such as Olympic athletes and Oscar-winning actors, who demonstrated “sustained national and international acclaim.”

“We called it the Einstein visa,”

The year that Knauss — now first lady Melania Trump — got her legal residency, only five people from Slovenia received green cards under the EB-1 program,

Melania Trump’s ability to secure her green card not only set her on the path to U.S. citizenship, but put her in the position to sponsor the legal residency of her parents, Viktor and Amalija Knavs. The Washington Post reported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/melania-trumps-parents-are-legal-permanent-residents-raising-questions-about-whether-they-relied-on-chain-migration/2018/02/21/3b573df8-1687-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html?utm_term=.996f08889cb1)ear lier this month that the couple is now close to obtaining their own citizenship.

“Mrs. Trump was more than amply qualified and solidly eligible,” :lol

But he declined to discuss the qualifications that the first lady cited in her petition for permanent residency.

president’s efforts to restrict legal immigration spotlight lingering questions about how the first lady and her family members obtained residency in the United States.

The biggest one: how did she convince immigration authorities that she qualified for the EB-1 program?

To obtain an EB-1 (https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/permanent-workers/employment-based-immigration-first-preference-eb-1) under the extraordinary ability category, an immigrant has to provide evidence of a major award or meet at least three out of 10 criteria.

Among them:

evidence of commercial successes in the performing arts, evidence of work displayed at artistic exhibitions and evidence of original contributions to a field.

“What did she submit?”

“She was never a supermodel, she was a working model — like so many others in New York,”

In 1998, at age 28, she began dating Trump after meeting him at a party, an association that raised her modeling profile.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/questions-linger-about-how-melania-trump-a-slovenian-model-scored-the-einstein-visa/2018/02/28/d307ddb2-1b35-11e8-ae5a-16e60e4605f3_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.56b975e73f36&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/questions-linger-about-how-melania-trump-a-slovenian-model-scored-the-einstein-visa/2018/02/28/d307ddb2-1b35-11e8-ae5a-16e60e4605f3_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.56b975e73f36&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

Did Trash pay somebody in govt to get soft-core porn model Knauss, whom he was fucking, an Einstein visa?