Mainstream Media Recap: Who Colluded with the Clinton Campaign?

[TheSanityAnnex]

This election cycle was unprecedented in terms of the bias and lack of objectivity exercised by the mainstream media.

In April 2015, the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/08/dc-leak-exposes-top-clinton-donor-george-soros-manipulating-elections/) campaign held a private dinner party (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5953) with at least 65 journalists and pundits in attendance. Individuals from CNN, CBS, The New York Times, NBC, MSNBC and more came together under the campaign’s stated goal of “framing the race” to help Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/wikileaks-clintons-sell-political-favors-to-clinton-foundation-donors/) win. Many of the above media outlets were indeed the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/06/guccifer-2-0-leak-reveals-how-dnc-rigged-primaries-for-clinton/) campaign’s biggest surrogates throughout the 2016 presidential election.


This past election cycle was unprecedented in terms of the bias and lack of objectivity exercised by the mainstream media. The emphasis on mainstream media blaming “fake news” for Donald Trump’s election is an attempt to distract and divert the feedback loop developed between the Clinton campaign and much of the press. Throughout the 2016 election, the media obsessed over Trump (http://observer.com/2016/07/an-open-letter-to-jared-kushner-from-one-of-your-jewish-employees/) to elevate his candidacy. He was their preferred opponent for Hillary Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/)—after they had thoroughly subverted Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign for the Democratic nomination.


Several journalists from The New York Times, which formally endorsed Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/wikileaks-clinton-foundation-plagued-by-corruption-and-conflict/) twice, created propaganda for the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/email-reveals-clinton-camp-spied-on-sanders-delegates-before-convention/) campaign rather than independent journalism. The Times’ Mark Leibovich allowed Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/breaking-assistant-attorney-general-tipped-off-clinton-camp-about-doj-investigation/) campaign communications director Jennifer Palmieri to “veto what you didn’t want” from his interview with Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/03/hillary-has-an-nsa-problem/). Maggie Haberman was listed (https://theintercept.com/2016/10/09/exclusive-new-email-leak-reveals-clinton-campaigns-cozy-press-relationship/) by the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/wikileaks-continues-to-prove-worst-fears-about-clinton-presidency/) campaign as a friendly reporter with whom they could plant stories. Haberman also allowed (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3173) Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/obama-blames-clinton-and-her-out-of-touch-campaign-for-losing-election/) campaign staff to proofread her pro-Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/wikileaks-clintons-sell-political-favors-to-clinton-foundation-donors/) stories.


The Times’ Patrick Healy published (http://observer.com/2016/10/breaking-dnc-chief-donna-brazile-leaked-sanders-info-to-clinton-campaign/) a “heroine” piece planted by the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/clinton-shills-need-to-be-cleaned-out-of-mainstream-media/) campaign about New Hampshire Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/05/mainstream-media-sacrifices-debbie-wasserman-schultz-to-appease-sanders-supporters/) campaign volunteer Laura Donahoe. Jonathan Martin was revealed (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4355) to have been coached through a story on the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/09/breaking-guccifer-2-0-releases-more-dnc-docs-exposing-more-corruption/) campaign by manager Robby Mook. Jason Horowitz solicited (http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped-up-clinton-subverted-sanders/) a quote from Clinton campaign chair John Podesta on a hit piece about the relationship between President Obama (http://observer.com/2016/09/wikileaks-guccifer-2-0-obama-sold-off-public-offices-to-donors/) and Sanders (http://observer.com/2016/07/bernie-sanders-to-campaign-against-debbie-wasserman-schultz/).


The New York Times wasn’t alone. Politico reporter Ken Vogel had Democratic National Committee (DNC) (http://observer.com/2016/10/dnc-lawyers-argue-no-liability-neutrality-is-merely-a-promise/) communications director Luis Miranda review an article (http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-dnc-emails-wikileaks-2016-7) before he sent it to editors as part of an agreement with the DNC (http://observer.com/2016/10/latest-wikileaks-releases-boost-case-for-dnc-class-action-lawsuit/). Politico has since called (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/politico-dnc-ken-vogel_us_57951b65e4b02d5d5ed1f8e2) Vogel’s actions “a mistake.” Glenn Thrush also allowed (http://observer.com/2016/10/no-consequences-from-media-peers-for-reporters-caught-colluding-with-hillary/) Podesta to approve articles.


CNN published an anti-Sanders Op-Ed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/07/24/wikileaks-emails-pro-clinton-cnn-political-commentator-pre-checked-op-ed-with-dnc/?postshare=2121469397273100&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.f1a122f2899a) written by Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/latest-wikileaks-reveals-clinton-critics-were-right-all-along/) lobbyist Maria Cardona—it was proofread by the DNC (http://observer.com/2016/10/latest-wikileaks-releases-boost-case-for-dnc-class-action-lawsuit/).


The Intercept reported (https://theintercept.com/2016/05/06/hillary-super-pac-draft-oped/) in May that an Op-Ed ostensibly written by Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed and intended to discredit Sanders (http://observer.com/2016/11/only-bernie-sanders-can-save-the-democratic-party-now/) was actually written by a Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/10/clinton-journalist-has-meltdown-after-his-russian-conspiracy-theory-is-debunked/) lobbyist and proofread by a Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/dave-chappelle-defends-trump-rips-clinton-shes-not-right-and-we-all-know-it/) Super PAC, which sent the article to CNN. CNN regularly featured pundits with financial ties (https://theintercept.com/2016/02/25/tv-pundits-praise-hillary-clinton-on-air-fail-to-disclose-financial-ties-to-her-campaign/) to the Clintons (http://observer.com/2016/06/corruption-conviction-of-clinton-crony-foreshadows-hillary-legal-struggles/), yet failed to disclose those ties before the pundits praised Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/06/vladimir-putin-has-everything-he-needs-to-blackmail-hillary-clinton/). DNC (http://observer.com/2016/11/wikileaks-clinton-camp-rigging-primaries-as-early-as-2014/) interim chair Donna Brazile was revealed (http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-donna-brazile-rigged-debate-gave-clinton-more-questions/) to have obtained CNN debate questions while working for the network and forwarded them to the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/09/fbi-data-dump-shows-clinton-is-criminal-and-clueless/) campaign. CNN (http://observer.com/2016/10/cnn-censors-third-party-supporters-as-undecided-in-focus-group/) also allowed the DNC to compile questions (https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/25846) to be asked during interviews (https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/23554) with Republican candidates on air.


In the WikiLeaks release of DNC (http://observer.com/2016/03/the-countless-failings-of-the-dnc/) emails, The Washington Post was exposed (https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2699) to have hosted a joint fundraiser with the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/) campaign. The paper published hyperbolic hit pieces on Sanders throughout the primaries, including the editorial board calling his campaign “fiction-filled” and an article published with the title (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html) claiming that nominating Sanders would be “insane.” Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting’s (FAIR) Adam Johnson pointed out the Post published 16 hit pieces (http://fair.org/home/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-on-bernie-sanders-in-16-hours/) on Sanders in the span of 16 hours in early March. Harper‘s Thomas Frank wrote also a detailed piece (http://harpers.org/archive/2016/11/swat-team-2/3) on how WaPo sabotaged Sanders (http://observer.com/2016/11/bernie-sanders-abandons-clinton-in-final-week/) during the primaries.


Wall Street Journal reporter Laura Meckler received (https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5614) a letter leaked to her from DNC communications director Miranda and used it to write a hit piece on Sanders during the primaries. Miranda used (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/22/wikileaks-democratic-national-committee-had-off-record-meeting-wall-street-journal/) the same reporter to criticize Sanders in the media over convention platform appointments.


The Associated Press was cited (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9272) by the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusive-hillary-clinton-campaign-systematically-overcharging-poorest-donors/) campaign as a publication in which they could plant stories with friendly journalists Matt Lee and Bradley Klapper, including discussions regarding the private email server scandal (http://observer.com/2016/11/emailgate-has-destroyed-clinton-inc/). Robby Mook’s assistant emailed (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8460) fellow Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/09/new-guccifer-2-0-dccc-coordinated-with-clinton-campaign-in-2015/) staff members asking what time would they prefer the story be published by the AP. They also called (http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-sanders-clinton-california-associated-press-20160607-snap-story.html) the Democratic primaries for Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/08/how-much-corruption-can-clinton-laugh-off/) before California (http://observer.com/2016/07/california-calls-fraud-demands-dnc-investigation/) even voted, citing anonymous superdelegates.
MSNBC halted (http://observer.com/2016/08/wikileaks-reveals-mainstream-medias-coziness-with-clinton/) negative coverage of former DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz (http://observer.com/2016/06/debbie-wasserman-schultz-served-class-action-lawsuit-for-rigging-primaries/) after she called the network’s president, Phil Griffin, to complain. Two days after Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/09/clinton-campaign-manager-has-gary-johnson-like-meltdown-on-msnbc/) campaign staff discussed how to attack Sanders (http://observer.com/2016/08/bernie-sanders-wins-the-future-with-our-revolution-book-and-movement/) on campaign finance by citing a Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) retreat he attended several months earlier, MSNBC reporter Alex Seitz-Wald (https://medium.com/@mtracey/how-msnbcs-alex-seitz-wald-colluded-with-the-failed-clinton-campaign-5e051f1ce9db#.fz8h8nfgr) wrote a Sanders (http://observer.com/2016/10/clinton-unveils-contemptuous-plan-for-basement-dwelling-millennials/) hit piece using the very same criticisms. Seitz-Wald, like many other pro-Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/09/dnc-claims-sanders-supporters-knew-they-favored-hillary-clinton/) journalists, started out at John Podesta’s Center for American Progress. Seitz-Wald also propagated the chair-throwing myth at the Nevada Democratic Convention to discredit Sanders (http://observer.com/2016/09/scold-scare-insult-intimidate-clintons-millennial-outreach-flops/) and his supporters. Meet the Press host Chuck Todd held a private party (http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/17/chuck-todd-hosted-swanky-dinner-party-at-his-home-for-top-clinton-campaign-official/) for Jennifer Palmieri while she was working as the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/09/former-democratic-congressional-candidate-says-hillary-stole-nevada/) campaign communications director. MSNBC host Joy Reid regularly pushed false narratives (http://www.mediaite.com/online/wikileaks-warns-msnbcs-reid-our-lawyers-will-monitor-your-program/) in order to help Clinton, (http://observer.com/2016/07/latest-guccifer-2-0-leak-reaffirms-primaries-were-rigged-for-clinton/) especially in regards to WikiLeaks. Rachel Maddow premiered (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/17/maddow_premiers_latest_round_of_anti-trump_ads.html) ads from Clinton Super PACs on her show.


CNBC correspondent John Harwood emailed Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/08/wikileaks-demands-more-than-getting-rid-of-wasserman-schultz/) Podesta on a regular basis, soliciting access in exchange for friendly coverage on Clinton.
(http://observer.com/2016/09/paul-krugmans-latest-clinton-defense-reaches-new-low/)

Several prominent bloggers—MTV News’ Jamil Smith, Guardian columnists Sady Doyle and Jessica Valenti, Tech LadyMafia founder Aminatou Sow, America’s Voice Gabe Ortiz and Latino blogger Elianne Ramos who was later hired (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/latina-geek-goddess-elianne-ramos-joins-clinton-s-digital-team-n629546) by the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/08/dems-claim-next-wikileaks-release-will-include-fabricated-content/) campaign—were selected (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/18566) by Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/08/latest-email-leaks-keep-exposing-clinton-foundation-corruption/) campaign staff to attend a conference call in which they could disseminate information they wanted the bloggers to propagate “without our fingerprints.”


Vox’s editor in chief, Ezra Klein, was cited (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11150) by Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/this-election-has-disgraced-the-entire-profession-of-journalism/) campaign staff as an attack dog they could use to push out a story they were putting together.


All these outlets and networks played significant roles in perpetuating false narratives in favor of the Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/08/newest-guccifer-2-0-leak-reveals-more-corruption-rigged-primaries/) campaign. This includes the “Bernie Bros” myth, the whitewashing of the Sanders (http://observer.com/2016/02/if-sanders-loses-bernie-believers-will-take-the-dnc-down/) campaign, and adding (http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/07/clinton-benefits-us-medias-misleading-reporting-delegate-counts) superdelegates to Democratic primary tallies, even though they don’t cast their votes until the Democratic National Convention.


The DNC (http://observer.com/2016/11/new-dnc-emails-expose-more-dnc-media-clinton-campaign-collusion/) and Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/11/hillary-clinton-and-the-dnc-have-only-themselves-to-blame/) campaign manipulated mainstream media coverage to further Clinton’s (http://observer.com/2016/03/no-shame-for-bill-and-hillary-entitlement-has-no-boundaries/) candidacy, especially in the Democratic primaries (http://observer.com/2016/07/well-build-a-wall-and-well-get-philadelphia-to-pay-for-it/).


Clinton’s (http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-audio-emerges-of-hillary-clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/) lack of press conferences during the primaries and general election are symptomatic of her (http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-rewards-wasserman-schultzs-shady-behavior-with-new-job/) not willing to deal with any media not entirely subservient to the campaign’s political agenda. As the mainstream media offers more excuses to avoid responsibility and accountability for this election, major press reforms are needed. Admitting the vast amounts of unethical, pro-Clinton coverage among media elites would be a good start.

http://observer.com/2016/11/mainstream-media-recap-who-colluded-with-the-clinton-campaign/

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i.imgur.com/UY9fv0b.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/UY9fv0b.jpg)

[DMC]

^

lol

and Time was selling her shit.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i.imgur.com/MbHt0SJ.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/MbHt0SJ.jpg)

[TheSanityAnnex]

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[TheSanityAnnex]

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[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/wsj-papers.jpg (http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/wsj-papers.jpg)

[pgardn]

CNN and FOX have a huge problem in hiring ex politicians and lobbyists for analysis. The best guys on the news have been trained in journalism. And journalists include Chris Wallace on Fox as being legit. Son of Mike Wallace. There are bits and pieces of good questioning and better journalism on many of the slanted networks. It's just too bad they are larger % of the staff.

Rachael Maddox and Sean Hannity are complete jokes. Hannity just jumps on a source without bothering to corroborate and makes a total fool of himself. He has done it so much it's just accepted.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i.imgur.com/uE4swSq.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/uE4swSq.jpg)

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386196915.png (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386196915.png)

[pgardn]

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/wsj-papers.jpg (http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/wsj-papers.jpg)

Like me this is surprising?

You have to print two papers for everything Trump says.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386367633.jpg (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386367633.jpg)

[pgardn]

http://i.imgur.com/uE4swSq.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/uE4swSq.jpg)

So you don't get that editorial staff on the same paper write pieces that disagree?

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386261646.jpg (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386261646.jpg)

[pgardn]

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386367633.jpg (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386367633.jpg)

Obama and Hillary were asking the spoiled kids in Portland to calm down. We have a new president elect.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you don't get that editorial staff on the same paper write pieces that disagree?

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386158588.jpg (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386158588.jpg)

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you don't get that editorial staff on the same paper write pieces that disagree?

https://i.imgsafe.org/331209a1cd.jpg (https://i.imgsafe.org/331209a1cd.jpg)

[pgardn]

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386261646.jpg (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386261646.jpg)

Same again.

Editorial staff disagree. You don't like this?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you don't get that editorial staff on the same paper write pieces that disagree?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxceNR2WIAAO9pK.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxceNR2WIAAO9pK.jpg)

[DMC]

Like me this is surprising?

You have to print two papers for everything Trump says.

Your private and public personas?

[pgardn]

https://i.imgsafe.org/331209a1cd.jpg (https://i.imgsafe.org/331209a1cd.jpg)

Yea same guy. What do you expect? Partisan.

[TheSanityAnnex]

https://i.redd.it/40zaa3bhe0yx.jpg (https://i.redd.it/40zaa3bhe0yx.jpg)

[DMC]

Same again.

Editorial staff disagree. You don't like this?

It's not that they disagree, they've always disagreed. It's what makes it through to be published.

[pgardn]

Your private and public personas?

Like this is surprising.

Drop the me on my iPad, it does this often. I'm lazy and pretty sloppy about changing stuff.

[pgardn]

It's not that they disagree, they've always disagreed. It's what makes it through to be published.

Thats another story.

[DMC]

Like this is surprising.

Drop the me on my iPad, it does this often. I'm lazy and pretty sloppy about changing stuff.

I was referring to your content. Hillary is the one who claimed two separate messages in her speech to GS.

[pgardn]

https://i.redd.it/40zaa3bhe0yx.jpg (https://i.redd.it/40zaa3bhe0yx.jpg)

Huffington post understands the importance of entertainment. Personally, I have to sift a bunch to find legit stuff.

[DMC]

Thats another story.

That's the only story here. Every outlet has an editorial staff that has disagreements, but the direction of the organization is made evident in what light they allow in and what light they filter, and when.

[DMC]

Huffington post understands the importance of entertainment. Personally, I have to sift a bunch to find legit stuff.

You got some in your eye... semen that is. You're in full blown shield mode.

[pgardn]

That's the only story here. Every outlet has an editorial staff that has disagreements, but the direction of the organization is made evident in what light they allow in and what light they filter, and when.


Sure they do.

But some outlets are totally more likely to print them.

[pgardn]

You got some in your eye... semen that is. You're in full blown shield mode.

Take her down a notch captain.
Good work.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sure they do.

But some outlets are totally more likely to print them.

You seemed to comment on every other picture so I'm not sure if you missed these or purposely ignored them.

http://i.imgur.com/UY9fv0b.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/UY9fv0b.jpg)


http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386196915.png (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386196915.png)



Thoughts?

[pgardn]

You seemed to comment on every other picture so I'm not sure if you missed these or purposely ignored them.

http://i.imgur.com/UY9fv0b.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/UY9fv0b.jpg)


http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386196915.png (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386196915.png)



Thoughts?

How do we have what he really said when he contradicts himself constantly. He said something to the effect that John McCain got captured so that he preferred input from those not captured or something to this effect. I don't see how anybody can explicitly put down what he really said when he changes what he says constantly and with apparently little guilt. He does not think the generals understand the situation, he does think they do a good job. How the FCk are we supposed to keep up.

[DMC]

Sure they do.

But some outlets are totally more likely to print them.

You're not saying anything. At least you've not made a discernible point.

[DMC]

How do we have what he really said when he contradicts himself constantly. He said something to the effect that John McCain got captured so that he preferred input from those not captured or something to this effect. I don't see how anybody can explicitly put down what he really said when he changes what he says constantly and with apparently little guilt. He does not think the generals understand the situation, he does think they do a good job. How the FCk are we supposed to keep up.

Bubble head reporter: Mr Trump, you said PTSD vets aren't mentally strong. Can you comment further on that?

It's obvious what Trump was saying. Does anyone really think Donald Trump thinks someone with PTSD is just mentally weak? He was telling folks in a room who've been there and done that, just because you saw it and feel ok doesn't mean everyone does.

Also, pretty sure plenty vets with PTSD are Trump supporters, and who Hillary called a "basket of deplorables" so Hillary thinks vets who fought for this country and have medical problems are deplorable.

You're given an example and you instead deflect to something else.

No matter, the public saw through the wall if lies by the media and now Trump is the 45th and we'll probably never see Hillary run again, except from Trey Gowdy.

[Clipper Nation]

Same again.

Editorial staff disagree. You don't like this?
It's amazing how these "disagreements" always seem to work in the same party's favor.

[pgardn]

It's amazing how these "disagreements" always seem to work in the same party's favor.

Yep.

On left leaning and right leaning papers.

[TheSanityAnnex]

How do we have what he really said when he contradicts himself constantly. He said something to the effect that John McCain got captured so that he preferred input from those not captured or something to this effect. I don't see how anybody can explicitly put down what he really said when he changes what he says constantly and with apparently little guilt. He does not think the generals understand the situation, he does think they do a good job. How the FCk are we supposed to keep up.

You have what he really said because it's right fucking there for you to read, along with the bullshit spin the media put on his exact words. Instead of discussing it you try to sidetrack the conversation, and conveniently just completely ignore the second picture, again.

[Fabbs]

I dunno...
CNN had this paid Trump whore on a lot.
http://www.oneangryman.com/ken/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Kayleigh-McEnany-hot-hot-600x395.png
Kayleigh McEnany

Along with that ex Trump campaign manager that is full on Hare Krishna Trump.

[pgardn]

You have what he really said because it's right fucking there for you to read, along with the bullshit spin the media put on his exact words. Instead of discussing it you try to sidetrack the conversation, and conveniently just completely ignore the second picture, again.

I am saying you quote a source that has Trump saying one thing and I read other sources in which he changes his mind.

Are yountelling me you don't see why I have trouble keeping up because Donald has said nearly opposite things at different times.
I am seriously telling you I can't keep up with what he currently believes. And no, I don't doubt left leaning papers are having a field day with this.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I am saying you quote a source that has Trump saying one thing and I read other sources in which he changes his mind.

Are yountelling me you don't see why I have trouble keeping up because Donald has said nearly opposite things at different times.
I am seriously telling you I can't keep up with what he currently believes. And no, I don't doubt left leaning papers are having a field day with this.

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Trump changed his mind and your ability to keep up with him. This has everything to do with a specific quote he said about PTSD that was taken out of context and blatantly twisted by multiple MSM outlets in order to make him look bad. Seriously this should not be this difficult.

[SnakeBoy]

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Trump changed his mind and your ability to keep up with him. This has everything to do with a specific quote he said about PTSD that was taken out of context and blatantly twisted by multiple MSM outlets in order to make him look bad. Seriously this should not be this difficult.

He'll never get it. He probably thinks Trump actually said ALL mexicans are rapists.

[pgardn]

He'll never get it. He probably thinks Trump actually said ALL mexicans are rapists.

Sure im incapable.

Were did the "what Trump actually said" come from? What source?

[pgardn]

Bubble head reporter: Mr Trump, you said PTSD vets aren't mentally strong. Can you comment further on that?

It's obvious what Trump was saying. Does anyone really think Donald Trump thinks someone with PTSD is just mentally weak? He was telling folks in a room who've been there and done that, just because you saw it and feel ok doesn't mean everyone does.

Also, pretty sure plenty vets with PTSD are Trump supporters, and who Hillary called a "basket of deplorables" so Hillary thinks vets who fought for this country and have medical problems are deplorable.

You're given an example and you instead deflect to something else.

No matter, the public saw through the wall if lies by the media and now Trump is the 45th and we'll probably never see Hillary run again, except from Trey Gowdy.

Let me help you understand where I am coming from.
What did Trump say about John McCain getting captured?

[pgardn]

This has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Trump changed his mind and your ability to keep up with him. This has everything to do with a specific quote he said about PTSD that was taken out of context and blatantly twisted by multiple MSM outlets in order to make him look bad. Seriously this should not be this difficult.

Where is the source concerning "what Trump really said"?

[pgardn]

That's what I thought...

[SnakeBoy]

Where is the source concerning "what Trump really said"?

The source is Trump, it's what he really said (i.e. the transcript)

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-didnt-say-vets-with-ptsd-are-weak/

[SnakeBoy]

Is pgardn having some type of Delayed Trump Election Trauma Syndrome? He seemed okay just after the election.

[pgardn]

The source is Trump, it's what he really said (i.e. the transcript)

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-didnt-say-vets-with-ptsd-are-weak/

So the whole thing came from snopes? The transcript and then the posted reaction on the right after the speech.
And how did you find it, it's not in SAs images that I can find? This is a site that is usually pretty fair, in fact I would say they lean left.

so nowhere did he say they were weak but....

The following was TOTALLY unnecessary:

when you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over and you’re strong and you can handle it. But a lot of people can’t handle it.

[pgardn]

The source is Trump, it's what he really said (i.e. the transcript)


http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-didnt-say-vets-with-ptsd-are-weak/

Where is this on SAs post? I can't find it anywhere and he has put up so much shit that's so superfluous I stop reading it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's what I thought...

:lol gotta love the tough guy act that instantly backfires. The transcript was already posted. Here it is again.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4517279/trump-veterans-ptsd-transcript/?client=safari

And to kick you while your down here is a comment from the veteran who actually asked Trump the question.


But Staff Sgt. Robichaux (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/chad-robichaux/) didn’t take Mr. Trump (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/donald-trump/)’s remarks as insulting — quite the contrary.
“I think it’s sickening that anyone would twist Mr. Trump (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/donald-trump/)’s comments to me in order to pursue a political agenda,” the staff sergeant said. “I took his comments to be thoughtful and understanding of the struggles many veterans have, and I believe he is committed to helping them.”

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386196915.png (http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr213/jlarson69/1479386196915.png)

Seriously how in the fuck could you not find the transcript of what he actually said? It's even highlighted for you. A simple google search brings it up as well. Or if you have trouble googling you could always just watch the actual exchange on YouTube.

[z0sa]

The media collusion with Clinton was fucking disgusting

[pgardn]

:lol gotta love the tough guy act that instantly backfires. The transcript was already posted. Here it is again.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4517279/trump-veterans-ptsd-transcript/?client=safari

And to kick you while your down here is a comment from the veteran who actually asked Trump the question.


But Staff Sgt. Robichaux (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/chad-robichaux/) didn’t take Mr. Trump (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/donald-trump/)’s remarks as insulting — quite the contrary.
“I think it’s sickening that anyone would twist Mr. Trump (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/donald-trump/)’s comments to me in order to pursue a political agenda,” the staff sergeant said. “I took his comments to be thoughtful and understanding of the struggles many veterans have, and I believe he is committed to helping them.”

Nothing backfires after one refers to a John McCain as not a credible military man for being captured.
And somehow You think it's easy just to believe a man after he says something this unconscionable?

[pgardn]

The media collusion with Clinton was fucking disgusting

The CNN stuff was absolutely the worst. But whe Breitbart acts in the other direction... Again, both Fox and CNN hire political hacks, not journalists.

It makes it understandable.

[pgardn]

Seriously how in the fuck could you not find the transcript of what he actually said? It's even highlighted for you. A simple google search brings it up as well. Or if you have trouble googling you could always just watch the actual exchange on YouTube.

You put piles of shit up. Have you heard of crying wolf? I wanted the snopes site as it puts it all together. My inability to hunt something down from you constant regurgitate is very much like peeps play with boots.

[pgardn]

Is pgardn having some type of Delayed Trump Election Trauma Syndrome? He seemed okay just after the election.

Nah.

US is to diverse in power and ability to self critize. But there is no way I compare trust in what Trump says with Obama. No way. I hope Trump gets a lot of worthy help.

[Thread]

This thread is [Our] finest hour as an Internet site.

I believe there are better threads, but, I'll be damned if I can cite them.

http://www.spurstalk.com - Political Forum - 22 November 2016

[SnakeBoy]

The following was TOTALLY unnecessary:

when you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over and you’re strong and you can handle it. But a lot of people can’t handle it.

What is it about that statement that you find unnecessary?

[TheSanityAnnex]

You put piles of shit up. Have you heard of crying wolf? I wanted the snopes site as it puts it all together. My inability to hunt something down from you constant regurgitate is very much like peeps play with boots.
Your inability to hunt something down just shows laziness.

[SnakeBoy]

So the whole thing came from snopes? The transcript and then the posted reaction on the right after the speech.
And how did you find it, it's not in SAs images that I can find? This is a site that is usually pretty fair, in fact I would say they lean left.


I used a search engine...took like 5 seconds...Trump veterans weak <enter>...1st result was snopes.

[pgardn]

What is it about that statement that you find unnecessary?

So you have to be STRONG to be able to handle it.

Maybe you just have the ability to turn off empathy. Maybe you had witnessed a horrific death as a child that you thought was subconscious and gone but it reared its head... strong... Yea, brain chemistry is a matter of being strong. Just look at the bizarre phobias people have concerning things that can't even hurt them. The simplification is just... stupid.

you gotta a problem knowing I could inject a chemical into you that could turn you into a complete anxious mess in about 5 minutes and there ain't a damn thing you could do to over come it except kill yourself? So are you weak?

[SnakeBoy]

So you have to be STRONG to be able to handle it.

Maybe you just have the ability to turn off empathy. Maybe you had witnessed a horrific death as a child that you thought was subconscious and gone but it reared its head... strong... Yea, brain chemistry is a matter of being strong. Just look at the bizarre phobias people have concerning things that can't even hurt them. The simplification is just... stupid.

you gotta a problem knowing I could inject a chemical into you that could turn you into a complete anxious mess in about 5 minutes and there ain't a damn thing you could do to over come it except kill yourself? So are you weak?

Okay so it is the word strong that you took exception to. We've already established that Trump never said anyone was weak. It's funny you complain about the "simplification" but then take the simple view that saying one is strong must mean that all others are weak.

Obama just said Pelosi is a strong leader. Breaking News: Obama just called all Democrats weak leaders except Pelosi.

[ElNono]

Good to know we won't be hearing how the MSM is the reason elections are won or lost from here on out, tbh...

[pgardn]

Okay so it is the word strong that you took exception to. We've already established that Trump never said anyone was weak. It's funny you complain about the "simplification" but then take the simple view that saying one is strong must mean that all others are weak.

Obama just said Pelosi is a strong leader. Breaking News: Obama just called all Democrats weak leaders except Pelosi.

Fuck that stuff. And I never mentioned the word weak concerning this syndrome because it has nothing to do with it. Are diabetics from birth weak? Are people that acquired the inability to breakdown artificial sweeteners weak? This is about soildiers having to come back to families with extreme difficulties often leading to abuse and divorce, suicide. It's not close to the same thing. Like Donald would know what it was like seeing other people maimed, killed and suffering during a war. It's just further proof of his ignorance concerning trauma in the human brain. At least fckn apologize and say I misspoke there is a much better description that I myself can't describe adequately but will try my best to be empathetic.

Nah, that's to namby pamby, say what you want. No need to be PC...

[Th'Pusher]

Good to know we won't be hearing how the MSM is the reason elections are won or lost from here on out, tbh...

Exactly. Why are Trump fans still whining?

[pgardn]

Exactly. Why are Trump fans still whining?


Because THE MEDIA is treating him unfairly.

And SNL is not funny.

[DMC]

Let me help you understand where I am coming from.
What did Trump say about John McCain getting captured?

Moving the goalpost again so soon?

[DMC]

Well until it suits the next right winger looking to gin up support from the sheep.

Dont think for one second that the presidents of all of these news networks aren't loving this it's like a reality show in the White House

They don't love it. People will be fired over it. You invest millions and a year bending your journalism to fit your political agenda and you fail horribly. There's nothing to be happy about.

[pgardn]

Moving the goalpost again so soon?

Nah.

Its insight into how he feels concerning the military. If you think a guy that gets captured during war has some deficiencies, what does it say about the deficiencies of soldiers who have been throug hell?

The generals don't know what they are doing.

It's relevant.

I know that cliche (goalpost) is very easy to use and sounds really cool on this site, sports and all. But cmon...

[DMC]

Nah.

Its insight into how he feels concerning the military. If you think a guy that gets captured during war has some deficiencies, what does it say about the deficiencies of soldiers who have been throug hell?

The generals don't know what they are doing.

It's relevant.

I know that cliche (goalpost) is very easy to use and sounds really cool on this site, sports and all. But cmon...

I've noticed you like to put words into people's mouths. Why do you feel the need to paraphrase and change the meaning of someone's statement? Trump didn't mention deficiencies. It's not as if you're either a hero or deficient.

What makes McCain a hero? Because he was captured and tortured or because he survived it? Since when do we consider people who get caught to be heroes? Was Jessica Lynch a hero? What's heroic about being forced to do something against your will for years?

If anything, you could call him a hero because of what he's done with his life since then, not because of being a POW though. I do have respect for the man and what he went through, but I wouldn't think that gives him any great wisdom and he did pick Sarah fucking Palin as a running mate and no one really called him a hero then.

Moving the goalpost is a logical fallacy, not a sports term. The original conversation was about PTSD and it's clear that liberties were taken with how his statement was portrayed, one small fraction of his statement was misrepresented by media and many people ate it up but it's right there in print what he actually said and how can you disagree with it?

[pgardn]

I've noticed you like to put words into people's mouths. Why do you feel the need to paraphrase and change the meaning of someone's statement? Trump didn't mention deficiencies. It's not as if you're either a hero or deficient.

What makes McCain a hero? Because he was captured and tortured or because he survived it? Since when do we consider people who get caught to be heroes? Was Jessica Lynch a hero? What's heroic about being forced to do something against your will for years?

If anything, you could call him a hero because of what he's done with his life since then, not because of being a POW though. I do have respect for the man and what he went through, but I wouldn't think that gives him any great wisdom and he did pick Sarah fucking Palin as a running mate and no one really called him a hero then.


Who said he he was a hero?
You like to put words in people's mouths.

What I am stating, that you are nit picking, is Trump's statement about McCain being captured and implying this was somehow related to how worthy McCain is as a soldier and Senator. You don't remember this? And yes it is germane and does give insight to the aforementioned discussion.

Something akin to, "Well he got captured" so... When McCain disagreed with Trump. Just like Trumps statement about generals not knowing what they are doing. It is relevant to how he looks at military affairs. The fact McCain got captured has no bearing on his wisdom. Don't move the goal posts.

[Axl Rose]

Exactly. Why are Trump fans still whining?
Bitch it's not all okay now just because we overcame that monster of a challenge, high ranking members of the lugenpresse need to be locked up for election tampering

[DMC]

Who said he he was a hero?
You like to put words in people's mouths.

What I am stating, that you are nit picking, is Trump's statement about McCain being captured and implying this was somehow related to how worthy McCain is as a soldier and Senator. You don't remember this? And yes it is germane and does give insight to the aforementioned discussion.

Something akin to, "Well he got captured" so... When McCain disagreed with Trump. Just like Trumps statement about generals not knowing what they are doing. It is relevant to how he looks at military affairs. The fact McCain got captured has no bearing on his wisdom. Don't move the goal posts.

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

I can't have a discussion with you if you want to generalize and paraphrase unless you just want a general agreement/disagreement with your "take" instead of a discussion. Invariably these things come down to semantics and you're contaminating the discussion with your own version of how things went.

[Axl Rose]

If someone walks up and sucker punches you and doesn't knock you out, and you regain control and win the fight, are you going to teach him a lesson or what? Those of us with testosterone would be pissed

[TheSanityAnnex]

Moving the goalpost is a logical fallacy, not a sports term. The original conversation was about PTSD and it's clear that liberties were taken with how his statement was portrayed, one small fraction of his statement was misrepresented by media and many people ate it up but it's right there in print what he actually said and how can you disagree with it?

4 pages into the thread and pgardn still refuses to address this and continues deflecting.

[pgardn]

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

I can't have a discussion with you if you want to generalize and paraphrase unless you just want a general agreement/disagreement with your "take" instead of a discussion. Invariably these things come down to semantics and you're contaminating the discussion with your own version of how things went.


I like people who weren't captured...

Then wtf does this mean? Why was this added? Does this not imply some sort of failure because of being captured?

And really, you accuse me of some slight of hand and pull the same shit and then state you can't discuss this with people like me/ you.
Seriously?

[pgardn]

4 pages into the thread and pgardn still refuses to address this and continues deflecting.

I have addressed it.

Again.

I have trouble believing anything Trump says because he is all over the place.
Read the above again concerning Trumps comments about the military and about why I might have reservations about belief in his stance on post trauma. If you can't understand my reservations, then I can't help you. Go back to your painstaking email analysis/FBI insider batshit analysis and write a letter to Trump explaining why he should not shy away from his pledge of throwing Hillary in jail.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I have addressed it.

Again.

I have trouble believing anything Trump says because he is all over the place.
Read the above again concerning Trumps comments about the military and about why I might have reservations about belief in his stance on post trauma. If you can't understand my reservations, then I can't help you. Go back to your painstaking email analysis/FBI insider batshit analysis and write a letter to Trump explaining why he should not shy away from his pledge of throwing Hillary in jail.

Your belief on Trump's stance on PTSD has zero to do with the media purposely misrepresenting what he actually said on PTSD. So no, you still haven't addressed what the media did and you still continue to deflect.

[Clipper Nation]

I have addressed it.

Again.

I have trouble believing anything Trump says because he is all over the place.
Read the above again concerning Trumps comments about the military and about why I might have reservations about belief in his stance on post trauma. If you can't understand my reservations, then I can't help you. Go back to your painstaking email analysis/FBI insider batshit analysis and write a letter to Trump explaining why he should not shy away from his pledge of throwing Hillary in jail.
You're deflecting. Bottom line, the media lied to you and you slurped it up like a good little sheep. And instead of engaging in one iota of critical thinking, you're blaming Trump for your own gullibility.

[pgardn]

Your belief on Trump's stance on PTSD has zero to do with the media purposely misrepresenting what he actually said on PTSD. So no, you still haven't addressed what the media did and you still continue to deflect.

Why do you believe anything Trump says is true?

Again. I don't necessarily believe anything he says on PTSD. Especially after what he has said about all things military. I would say his choice of words, strong, was stupid and the media took advantage of it using the antonym, weak.

Do I need to continue to repost this?

[pgardn]

You're deflecting. Bottom line, the media lied to you and you slurped it up like a good little sheep. And instead of engaging in one iota of critical thinking, you're blaming Trump for your own gullibility.

Who is THE MEDIA?

What do YOU read for information?

So.
Is Trump going to put Hillary in Jail?
Slurper... The guy can't control his own mouth so I am a slurper. That makes you a slime mold that follows lies.

Two questions above Cluttered Notions.

[Spurminator]

"Mainstream Media" needs a new definition. The populace has moved on to other sources.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why do you believe anything Trump says is true?

Again. I don't necessarily believe anything he says on PTSD. Especially after what he has said about all things military. I would say his choice of words, strong, was stupid and the media took advantage of it using the antonym, weak.

Do I need to continue to repost this?Congratulations, first time you actually addressed the media's dishonesty regarding what Trump said and it only took 5 pages.

[pgardn]

Congratulations, first time you actually addressed the media's dishonesty regarding what Trump said and it only took 5 pages.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

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http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/uploads/2/7/6/1/27619303/journalists-wiki-tw.jpg

[TheSanityAnnex]

800037292610043909

http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/uploads/2/7/6/1/27619303/journalists-wiki-tw.jpg

:lol
Dont think for one second that the presidents of all of these news networks aren't loving this it's like a reality show in the White House :lol

[DMC]

Why do you believe anything Trump says is true?

Again. I don't necessarily believe anything he says on PTSD. Especially after what he has said about all things military. I would say his choice of words, strong, was stupid and the media took advantage of it using the antonym, weak.

Do I need to continue to repost this?

I think you're being intentionally obtuse here. What Trump meant is irrelevant. What he said is as clear as day. What he said was misrepresented. Whether you believe what he said is beside the point.

Trump: A*B equals C

Media: Trump says A equals C

You: I don't trust Trump therefore the Media is right to publish whatever they like.

[Big Dog]

pgardn's posting about politics is a case study in a retard who suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome.

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/OmjgjBi.jpg

[pgardn]

I think you're being intentionally obtuse here. What Trump meant is irrelevant. What he said is as clear as day. What he said was misrepresented. Whether you believe what he said is beside the point.

Trump: A*B equals C

Media: Trump says A equals C

You: I don't trust Trump therefore the Media is right to publish whatever they like.

Nope. It's bigger than that. We have a body of work. What Trump meant is not irrelevant. Especially in the context of what he has already said. I can't believe the guy in many areas. Because he lies. He has been caught dead in his tracks lying about important, to very mundane, facts. And he appears to be unable to stop.

[DMC]

Nope. It's bigger than that. We have a body of work. What Trump meant is not irrelevant. Especially in the context of what he has already said. I can't believe the guy in many areas. Because he lies. He has been caught dead in his tracks lying about important, to very mundane, facts. And he appears to be unable to stop.

Trump has decades of opinions he's freely shared. He's had decades of supporting democrats and democrat agendas. You act like he was born during the primaries.

There's no doubt that Trump has said some negative shit. Here, however, you are ignoring that the media intentionally misrepresented a specific comment he made by paraphrasing him out of context. You know that as well as I do, and the fact you're denying that's an issue is just your way of dodging the entire point of the OP which is that main stream media was in collusion with the Clintons.

[pgardn]

double

[pgardn]

Opinions?

He fckn sated never knew of Duke? He wrote about the guy. Negative shit yes. But outright lies that are so easy to hunt down? You understand exactly what I stated. The last sentence, you put it up in his syndrome analysis. Words do matter. It was completely silly using the word Strong in the context he did. He set himself up for the entertainment press. And I don't give two shits which party he has or now plays with. I care about people that lie, especially ones that lie about things so easy to check and so insignificant.

Do you want me to continue with FACTUAL lies?

Now I need to ask you what the mainstream media is. What do YOU read that you believe? These broad ridiculous proclamations about the media are ridiculous. We MUST have a media that deals with past events and brings them forward. I can't help it if you hang on CNN or Fox. Nor do I READ the major network stuff. I listen to it when a story comes up immediately because they have people all over.

And I have already posted about the incredible significance of a Democratic Party hack leaking questions to Hillary as well as "news" programs hiring ex politicians and political hacks for analysis. Do you want me to go back and repost them?

Im not the day of the rope fantasy guy.

[DMC]

Opinions?

Yes, you know... what we were discussing? You're once again going to move the goalposts to anything other than the topic at hand. When you learn to stay on topic let me know. You seem to think every thread is an open discussion that you can just ramble on about whatever.

[pgardn]

Yes, you know... what we were discussing? You're once again going to move the goalposts to anything other than the topic at hand. When you learn to stay on topic let me know. You seem to think every thread is an open discussion that you can just ramble on about whatever.

You know exactly what I am saying.

Its laughable you would adomonish anyone concerning staying on topic or moving goalposts.

[DMC]

You know exactly what I am saying.

Its laughable you would adomonish anyone concerning staying on topic or moving goalposts.
Oh I know what you're saying. You are saying whatever you can say to steer away from the OP. Between that and paraphrasing, you appear to have no intention of honest discourse.

[pgardn]

Oh I know what you're saying. You are saying whatever you can say to steer away from the OP. Between that and paraphrasing, you appear to have no intention of honest discourse.

You don't want honest discourse.

And stop it with the paraphrasing bs. You know exactly what I am writing about.

Very few on here even want to touch on the giant blanket of main stream media and is supposed collusion with a preferred party. It's an easy target when one preferred candidate wishes to turn facts into fiction and expects to be granted immunity. They are now " opinions " . The opposition was scorched by this same supposed unreliable media as well. Clinton's attempt to hide was revealed by the same mainstream media. The Clinton foundation and her inexcusable sloppy use in emailing have been revealed with cold hard evidence by the same mainstream media.

Trump and his supporters had better get used to close examination. The campaign is over and lying will be called out. The entertainment press and SNL will have been thrown a giant bone as well. So there will be money to make if our president elect keeps giving "opinions" about what he has and has not done and said.

Luckily there is still money to be made in attempting to be accurate as well.

[Spurminator]

http://i.imgur.com/ELi4RWe.png (http://i.imgur.com/ELi4RWe.png)

They corrected this story and tweet the following morning. It was a mistake, but not sure how that qualifies as collusion seeing as the mistake was fodder for hundreds of Right Wing sites, many of whom did not report the correction.

[Spurminator]

http://i.imgur.com/MbHt0SJ.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/MbHt0SJ.jpg)

HuffPo is no more "MSM" than Drudge or Breitbart. Like I said, we need a new definition for Mainstream Media.

[Spurminator]

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/wsj-papers.jpg (http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/wsj-papers.jpg)

These are different editions on the same day. You can tell by the stars on the top right. The stories are also different if you look closely.

The morning edition was published after a cooperative meeting with President Nieto. The later edition was published after Trump gave a speech in which he reiterated that Mexico would pay for the wall, because he was annoyed by a tweet Nieto made.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/02/trump-changed-immigration-policy-speech-after-mexican-presidents-tweet.html

[Spurminator]

http://i.imgur.com/uE4swSq.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/uE4swSq.jpg)


The WaPo also published opinions defending Comey's decision in October. Curiously these were not included by whoever put your meme together.
"Comey Did the Right Thing" https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/james-comey-did-the-right-thing/2016/10/31/7fcf0018-9f84-11e6-a44d-cc2898cfab06_story.html?utm_term=.7526214b5b23
"Don't Blame Comey" https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/10/31/dont-blame-comey/?utm_term=.31280b4e4acf

Even if they hadn't, there is not necessarily an inherent contradiction in the two reactions. The first occurred after a long investigation and criticized politicians who seemed to be questioning Comey because the results of the investigation didn't go their way. The second occurred after an unprecedented and vague disclosure, and some could say this opinion was validated in hindsight when the additional emails turned up nothing.

[DMC]

^Getting dizzy from your spin cycle yet?

[Spurminator]

^Getting dizzy from your spin cycle yet?

Nope I'm good. Does context and nuance make your wittle head hurt?

[DMC]

Nope I'm good. Does context and nuance make your wittle head hurt?

No, but your teeth do.

[Spurminator]

No, but your teeth do.

Leave your repressed fantasies out of this.

[DMC]

Leave your repressed fantasies out of this.

The forum became a small army of Boutons after the election.

[Spurminator]

The forum became a small army of Boutons after the election.

How so?

[z0sa]

The CNN stuff was absolutely the worst. But whe Breitbart acts in the other direction... Again, both Fox and CNN hire political hacks, not journalists.

It makes it understandable.

I was stupid "trusting" any of the cable news networks as much as I trusted CNN before the 2016 D primary, but still, I felt betrayed by their willingness to obviously go all in on the Clinton cult of personality instead of questioning the many conflicts of interest within the DNC. And that was before wikileaks directly confirmed collusion.

[mavsfan1000]

Except for Fox, the media has been horrible. Fuck your brainwashing bullshit.

[rmt]

IMO, FOX (outside of Hannity) is not anywhere near as bad (the other way) as CNN. Meghan Kelly, in particular, sometimes seems like she hates Trump.

[DMC]

How so?

The panic and forum activist rhetoric and spin is at level 11.

[Spurminator]

The panic and forum activist rhetoric and spin is at level 11.

I haven't seen that. I'd say this forum has been quite a bit more level-headed in their reaction to the election when compared to other parts of the Internet. And you realize you're making this comment in a thread started with a conservative OP. You expect no dissenting replies to these threads?

Surely if my spin is without merit you should be able to put together a compelling rebuttal instead of lazy ad hom.

[Spurminator]

IMO, FOX (outside of Hannity) is not anywhere near as bad (the other way) as CNN. Meghan Kelly, in particular, sometimes seems like she hates Trump.

FOX News' emergence as a relatively moderate news source in the past year has been one of the only good things about the election.

It's been interesting to watch so many of the harder-right conservatives jump ship over it being "too liberal now." And troubling to watch where they're jumping to.

[Spurminator]

Mainstream media "colluded" with Clinton, fake news media "colluded" with Trump.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/laura-ingraham-lifezette/


THE EXTRAORDINARY PHENOMENON of fake news spread by Facebook and other social media during the 2016 presidential election has been largely portrayed as a lucky break for Donald Trump.By that reckoning, entrepreneurial Macedonian teenagers (https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.xymy3QKRv#.dqyJ0KO57), opportunists in Tbilisi (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/world/europe/fake-news-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-georgia.html) and California millennials (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-new-yellow-journalists-opportunity-comes-in-clicks-and-bucks/2016/11/20/d58d036c-adbf-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html) have exploited social media algorithms in order to make money — only incidentally leading to the viral proliferation of mostly anti-Clinton and anti-Obama hoaxes and conspiracy theories that thrilled many Trump supporters. The Washington Post published a shoddy report (https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/) on Thursday alleging that Russian state-sponsored propagandists (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_propaganda-8pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory) were seeking to promote Trump through fabricated stories for their own reasons, independent of the candidate himself.

But a closer look reveals that some of the biggest fake news providers were run by experienced political operators well within the orbit of Donald Trump’s political advisers and consultants.

[Will Hunting]

http://i.imgur.com/OmjgjBi.jpg
:lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Mainstream media "colluded" with Clinton, fake news media "colluded" with Trump.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/laura-ingraham-lifezette/



https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/

[Spurminator]

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/

Yes, that article is linked in the article I posted.

[Winehole23]

By mid-March, 2016, The New York Times reported (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2016%2F0 3%2F16%2Fupshot%2Fmeasuring-donald-trumps-mammoth-advantage-in-free-media.html&t=NTEwOWM4MjZmZTliYWVkOWFjNDRiZGVkZWU0MThjMWIyNmE0 ZTU0MywwcndtYjVYMQ%3D%3D&b=t%3AhQ9Ds4P3Iv6D7mgEr8WMqg&m=1) that Trump had received almost $1.9 billion of free attention from media of all types — more than twice what Hillary Clinton received and six times that of Ted Cruz, Trump’s nearest Republican rival.


The explanation for this is easy. Trump was already a media personality, and his outrageousness generated an audience — which, in turn, created big profits for the media.


Media columnist Jim Rutenberg reported (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2016%2F0 3%2F21%2Fbusiness%2Fmedia%2Fthe-mutual-dependence-of-trump-and-the-news-media.html&t=YzEzODI2MzMwNjkwYjMxOGU0MWY4NGMyODE0NzdlYWQ3ZmRh N2IyMSwwcndtYjVYMQ%3D%3D&b=t%3AhQ9Ds4P3Iv6D7mgEr8WMqg&m=1) CNN president Jeff Zucker gushing over the Trump-induced ratings. “These numbers are crazy — crazy.” CBS president and CEO Leslie Moonves said (http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hollywoodreporter.com% 2Fnews%2Fleslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464&t=NjZhYzBhMjczYjc3MDQwNzBlYWZjY2Q0NjliNDMzMTQwODZh Y2ZkNCwwcndtYjVYMQ%3D%3D&b=t%3AhQ9Ds4P3Iv6D7mgEr8WMqg&m=1), “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS. The money’s rolling in and this is fun.”
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[Winehole23]

the media collusion cut both ways, tbh

[pgardn]

The forum became a small army of Boutons after the election.

Yeah

Check under your bed and in the closet for mainstream media lurking about.
SA already ran some out of his underwear. And Yep, IT was that invasive. The resident survivalist almost got bitten.

[Winehole23]

fake news is good business, even if it backfires:


At any given time, Coler says, he has between 20 and 25 writers. And it was one of them who wrote the story in the "Denver Guardian" that an FBI agent who leaked Clinton emails was killed. Coler says that over 10 days the site got 1.6 million views. He says stories like this work because they fit into existing right-wing conspiracy theories.


"The people wanted to hear this," he says. "So all it took was to write that story. Everything about it was fictional: the town, the people, the sheriff, the FBI guy. And then ... our social media guys kind of go out and do a little dropping it throughout Trump groups and Trump forums and boy it spread like wildfire."


And as the stories spread, Coler makes money from the ads on his websites. He wouldn't give exact figures, but he says stories about other fake-news proprietors making between $10,000 and $30,000 a month apply to him. Coler fits into a pattern of other faux news sites that make good money, especially by targeting Trump supporters.


However, Coler insists this is not about money. It's about showing how easily fake news spreads. And fake news spread wide and far before the election. When I pointed out to Coler that the money gave him a lot of incentive to keep doing it regardless of the impact, he admitted that was "correct."

http://wunc.org/post/npr-finds-head-covert-fake-news-operation-suburbs#stream/0

[Winehole23]

we know the media colludes with government, evidence the completely unsubstantiated whispers of Russian interference during the current cycle:


As veteran journalist Carl Bernstein, who along with Bob Woodward blew the lid off the Watergate scandal, reported in his expansive 1977 Rolling Stone piece, “The CIA and the Media” (http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php):



“More than 400 American journalists … in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency (http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php)… There was cooperation, accommodation and overlap. Journalists provided a full range of clandestine services… Reporters shared their notebooks with the CIA. Editors shared their staffs. Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners, distinguished reporters… In many instances, CIA documents show, journalists were engaged to perform tasks for the CIA with the consent of the managements of America’s leading news organizations.”



Bernstein is referring to Operation Mockingbird, a CIA campaign started in the 1950s to plant intelligence reports among reporters at more than 25 major newspapers and wire agencies, who would then regurgitate them for a public oblivious to the fact that they were being fed government propaganda.


In some instances, as Bernstein shows (http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php), members of the media also served as extensions of the surveillance state, with reporters actually carrying out assignments for the CIA.

Executives with CBS, the New York Times and Time magazine also worked closely with the CIA to vet the news. Bernstein writes (http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php): “Other organizations which cooperated with the CIA include the American Broadcasting Company, the National Broadcasting Company, the Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps‑Howard, Newsweek magazine, the Mutual Broadcasting System, the Miami Herald and the old Saturday Evening Post and New York Herald‑Tribune.”

[DMC]

I read that the Grit also was big into espionage and infiltrated a Fred's Dollar Store.

[Winehole23]

PropOrNot

[TheSanityAnnex]

fake news is good business, even if it backfires:

http://wunc.org/post/npr-finds-head-covert-fake-news-operation-suburbs#stream/0

I seem to recall you posting the Denver Guardian story

[TheSanityAnnex]

PropOrNot
Go on...

[Winehole23]

I seem to recall you posting the Denver Guardian storyit was fake news related, like your OP

[Winehole23]

Go on...is bullshit.

should have been contextually clear, but I realize your busy career of shitposting leaves little time for reading.

[spurraider21]

awful, awful article that highlights what is wrong with some of today's left. naturally, its a white liberal author writing in a section called "black voices" where he is complaining about white liberals... essentially advocating against having a marketplace of ideas because he's so thoroughly convinced that his ideas are objectively right

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trevor-noahs-interview-with-tomi-lahren-is-a-perfect_us_58425f75e4b0b93e10f8e231?

[Spurminator]

http://cdn3.volusion.com/mqdnh.eqaku/v/vspfiles/photos/Crickets%20100-2.jpg?1325754463
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-campaign-sinclair-broadcasting-jared-kushner-232764 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-campaign-sinclair-broadcasting-jared-kushner-232764)

Kushner: We struck deal with Sinclair for straighter coverage

Donald Trump's campaign struck a deal with Sinclair Broadcast Group during the campaign to try and secure better media coverage, his son-in-law Jared Kushner told business executives Friday in Manhattan.

Kushner said the agreement with Sinclair, which owns television stations across the country in many swing states and often packages news for their affiliates to run, gave them more access to Trump and the campaign, according to six people who heard his remarks.

In exchange, Sinclair would broadcast their Trump interviews across the country without commentary, Kushner said. Kushner highlighted that Sinclair, in states like Ohio, reaches a much wider audience — around 250,000 listeners — than networks like CNN, which reach somewhere around 30,000.

“It’s math,” Kushner said according to multiple attendees.

[Winehole23]

Tim Kaine took advantage of the Sinclair deal. One wonders why HRC didn't.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

we know the media colludes with government, evidence the completely unsubstantiated whispers of Russian interference during the current cycle:

If you want to know what the spooks are thinking or want you to think then look to CBS.