Carrier says it has struck a deal with Trump to keep nearly 1,000 jobs in Indiana

[ducks]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/29/news/economy/trump-carrier-deal/index.html?adkey=bn

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ducks you realize there are about 140m jobs in the US economy? 1/140,000 is not very much.

[spurraider21]

United Technologies collects about $5.6 billion in annual revenue from U.S. government contracts, according to company filings, which is equal to about 10% of its overall revenue. The government also pays for nearly $1.5 billion of the company's annual research and development spending.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

ducks you realize there are about 140m jobs in the US economy? 1/140,000 is not very much.

tell that to the workers? 1,000 bullets would be enough to turn your pathetic liberal ass into mince meat.

[DMX7]

So what he do in return?

[boutons_deux]

CNBC has the story, huge taxpayer screwjob, was pence not trash

[Clipper Nation]

CNBC has the story, huge taxpayer screwjob, was pence not trash

I'm sure Nothing But Clintons has the honest truth about the deal.

[DMX7]

I'm sure Nothing But Clintons has the honest truth about the deal.

Ad hominem isn't even in the dictionary of too many republicans here.

[Fabbs]

Will Trump bring Oreos back to Chicago from Mexico?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258204&highlight=Oreos

[rmt]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/29/news/economy/trump-carrier-deal/index.html?adkey=bn

So, is this legit? It's from CNN, you know :-)



ducks you realize there are about 140m jobs in the US economy? 1/140,000 is not very much.

Geez - does it matter how few jobs it is? - it's important to the people/families who lost the jobs. If true, he shouldn't even be doing this yet - he's not in office for awhile.

[ducks]

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump – Verified account ‏@realDonaldTrump

Big day on Thursday for Indiana and the great workers of that wonderful state.We will keep our companies and jobs in the U.S. Thanks Carrier

[ducks]

28m28 minutes ago
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Big day on Thursday for Indiana and the great workers of that wonderful state.We will keep our companies and jobs in the U.S. Thanks Carrier

[Winehole23]

anecdotes are powerful. more powerful than the inertial moment of free trade, free labor and corporate impunity?

probably not, but it is a pleasant thought.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So, is this legit? It's from CNN, you know :-)




Geez - does it matter how few jobs it is? - it's important to the people/families who lost the jobs. If true, he shouldn't even be doing this yet - he's not in office for awhile.

I provided context. It is .000007% of total employment. He is the POTUS, not the mayor of Indianapolis.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

tell that to the workers? 1,000 bullets would be enough to turn your pathetic liberal ass into mince meat.

I'm just showing context. How many Americans do you think 7% unemployment is?

[boutons_deux]

Here’s What You Really Need To Know About Trump’s Carrier Deal



Compared to Carrier's 1,000 jobs, Obama's auto bailout saved something like 250,000 jobs at GM and Chrysler, and 1-2 million total jobs throughout the entire automotive supply chain. Just sayin'.

Needless to say, showering incentives on manufacturing companies to stay in America is not a sustainable national manufacturing strategy. And anyway, aren't Republicans opposed to the government picking winners and losers?



Just for the record, the biggest supplier of working-class and middle class jobs in Indianapolis is not Carrier—or any other heavy manufacturing company. The top ten are Eli Lilly, Indiana University, Purdue University, St. Vincent Hospital, St. Francis Hospital, CNA Financial Group, Methodist Hospital, the Peyton Manning Children's Hospital, Roche Diagnostics, and FedEx.



http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/11/donald-trump-working-class-indiana

[SnakeBoy]

Here’s What You Really Need To Know About Trump’s Carrier Deal



Compared to Carrier's 1,000 jobs, Obama's auto bailout saved something like 250,000 jobs at GM and Chrysler, and 1-2 million total jobs throughout the entire automotive supply chain. Just sayin'.

Needless to say, showering incentives on manufacturing companies to stay in America is not a sustainable national manufacturing strategy. And anyway, aren't Republicans opposed to the government picking winners and losers?



Just for the record, the biggest supplier of working-class and middle class jobs in Indianapolis is not Carrier—or any other heavy manufacturing company. The top ten are Eli Lilly, Indiana University, Purdue University, St. Vincent Hospital, St. Francis Hospital, CNA Financial Group, Methodist Hospital, the Peyton Manning Children's Hospital, Roche Diagnostics, and FedEx.



http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/11/donald-trump-working-class-indiana





:lol The predictable lefty backlash against these people's jobs

Trump be like

http://bestanimations.com/Music/Instruments/Violins/playing-violin-animated-gif-11.gif

[boutons_deux]

:lol The predictable lefty backlash against these people's jobs



ignorant rightwingnutjob.

Trash and his ignorant supporters "believe" he's worked, delivered a fucking miracle to save 1000 jobs in a city where 1000 jobs is not that big of a deal, compared with Barry HUSSEIN Muslim knitter Obama saved Ms of jobs with the auto bailout and stimulus the Repugs HATED.

Bitch, on yer knees, take my bitch slapping like a little bitch.

[rmt]

I provided context. It is .000007% of total employment. He is the POTUS, not the mayor of Indianapolis.

He is not the POTUS - not yet.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol motherjones.

Bush's auto bailout.

[CosmicCowboy]

Those Chevrolet and Chrysler jobs were never going to disappear. A bailout/bankruptcy/buyout/rebalance was inevitable. See Fiat buying Chrysler later.

[TeyshaBlue]

www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-was-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers/amp

[TeyshaBlue]

Those Chevrolet and Chrysler jobs were never going to disappear. A bailout/bankruptcy/buyout/rebalance was inevitable. See Fiat buying Chrysler later.

The disruption to the suppliers was the big hammer.... That plus shit tons of jobs would be lost in the ensuing "reorgs".

[pgardn]

Ah it's good news just taken by itself and legit.

[CosmicCowboy]

The disruption to the suppliers was the big hammer.... That plus shit tons of jobs would be lost in the ensuing "reorgs".

Not saying it wouldn't have been nasty but there were several ways to solve the problem. Giving GM to the UAW was just one of them.

[boutons_deux]

Ah it's good news just taken by itself and legit.

As with all of Trash's bullshit and lies, it will be sucked down as Bible truth, even miraculous, by his conned, ignorant supporters.

[Thread]

As with all of Trash's bullshit and lies, it will be sucked down as Bible truth, even miraculous.

She ain't goin' back in there. He ain't & their daughter ain't. No.

Uh, uh.

[SpursforSix]

Ah it's good news just taken by itself and legit.

[Sportcamper]

I'm sure Nothing But Clintons has the honest truth about the deal.

Exactly…1000 people will be paying taxes next year instead of being in bread lines…But let’s spin this into an anti Trump / Pence story…:lmao

[RGMCSE]

Exactly…1000 people will be paying taxes next year instead of being in bread lines…But let’s spin this into an anti Trump / Pence story…:lmao

The libs will never concede or acknowledge anything positive regarding this administration. They have completely closed the book before it's even been written. It's not unity or correct or reliable or positive unless it's one of them. Get used to it. Even twitter is banning right wing point of views. They're extremely hypocritical and to ignorant to even understand the double standards. It's unreal.

[boutons_deux]

"anything positive regarding this administration."

... first, let's see ANYTHING "positive" and proven.

Bernie's tactic would have been better and cost taxpayers nothing.

If UT moved Carrier to MX, then UT loses govt contracts.

BigCorp destroying jobs to enrich itself would not be free.

[rmt]

"anything positive regarding this administration."

... first, let's see ANYTHING "positive" and proven.

Bernie's tactic would have been better and cost taxpayers nothing.

If UT moved Carrier to MX, then UT loses govt contracts.

BigCorp destroying jobs to enrich itself would not be free.






First of all, he's not even sworn in yet - so technically he shouldn't be doing anything except transitioning but you won't even giving him credit for trying and (seems like) succeeding.

Why the tough stance on UT? The 1000 jobs have been saved - not destroyed, and we don't know yet what/if it will cost taxpayers anything. Sounds like your hatred of BigCorp and Trump prevent you from keeping an open mind about an unknown deal.

[DMX7]

I want to know what he actually gave them in return? More government contracts for UT? Large tax breaks? And are these things going to cause companies that may not have considered moving to Mexico (or other places) to consider using the threat of doing so in order to get something from the government?

[boutons_deux]

an open mind about an unknown deal.

Trash's innumerable LIES to promote himself (includes this Carrier lie since it was really Gov Pence who did the deal, not Pres-elect Trash), his screwing of suppliers and investors while enriching himself, and the well-known failures of "tax abatement" deals to attract BigCorp investment to be offset by benefits to a community are good indicators of what this "artful deal" is about.

[CosmicCowboy]

Trash's innumerable LIES to promote himself (includes this Carrier lie since it was really Gov Pence who did the deal, not Pres-elect Trash), his screwing of suppliers and investors while enriching himself, and the well-known failures of "tax abatement" deals to attract BigCorp investment to be offset by benefits to a community are good indicators of what this "artful deal" is about.

So Obama didn't really kill Bin Laden?

[rmt]

Trash's innumerable LIES to promote himself (includes this Carrier lie since it was really Gov Pence who did the deal, not Pres-elect Trash), his screwing of suppliers and investors while enriching himself, and the well-known failures of "tax abatement" deals to attract BigCorp investment to be offset by benefits to a community are good indicators of what this "artful deal" is about.

If it was really Pence who did the deal, why didn't he do it on his own back in February when the move was announced?

[boutons_deux]

If it was really Pence who did the deal, why didn't he do it on his own back in February when the move was announced?

maybe this was deal was done, or at least talked about for months. Pence saved it for now. All this kind of shit has all kinds of Machiavellian stuff in the b/g.

[CosmicCowboy]

maybe this was deal was done, or at least talked about for months. Pence saved it for now. All this kind of shit has all kinds of Machiavellian stuff in the b/g.

Did Obama really kill Bin Laden in 2008 and save it for a better time to announce it?

[Clipper Nation]

Must suck for liberals. If they admit Trump did the deal, that means he's already helping blue-collar Americans. If they give Pence all the credit, that means Trump is surrounding himself with competent professionals, not the fringe nutjobs they desperately want his inner circle to be. You know your ideology is absurd when news of jobs staying in America is a lose-lose scenario for you.

[boutons_deux]

he's already helping blue-collar Americans

:lol

When his 4 years are over, his poor and working class supporters will wish he would just kept grabbing pussy instead of conning them.

(but, definition of insanity, they will keep voting for Repugs to screw them OVER AND OVER AND OVER)

[CosmicCowboy]

Hopefully Sheriff Clark sends Burqa-Boo to Guantanamo.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He is not the POTUS - not yet.

POTUS-elect. Point is still the same.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I'm just showing context. How many Americans do you think 7% unemployment is?

Unemployment is only one statistic.

Perhaps the far more important and relevant problem is underemployment, i.e. American college-educated, job seeking millennials having to go back home and work at Subway because of the damn rat-curry injuns and muzzie ragheads and other disgusting, rotten-smelling foreigners obtaining visas approved and stamped by Obama, invading our country like cockroaches and stealing our jobs.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Unemployment is only one statistic.

Perhaps the far more important and relevant problem is underemployment, i.e. American college-educated, job seeking millennials having to go back home and work at Subway because of the damn rat-curry injuns and muzzie ragheads and other disgusting, rotten-smelling foreigners obtaining visas approved and stamped by Obama, invading our country like cockroaches and stealing our jobs.

:lol Blaming immigrants. Typical.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

:lol Blaming immigrants. Typical.
If you worked in IT for a major fortune 100 or better corporation as I do, and you had to hold your breath and cough all day at the office as I do due to the rotten-curry sewage stench emanating from those filthy, brusque, uncultured, ethnocentric currybeaners that occupy 70% of the cubicle space in the office instead of rightful and competent Americans BORN IN THE USA, perhaps you'd understand me better instead of parroting.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

.

[Th'Pusher]

If you worked in IT for a major fortune 100 or better corporation as I do, and you had to hold your breath and cough all day at the office as I do due to the rotten-curry sewage stench emanating from those filthy, brusque, uncultured, ethnocentric currybeaners that occupy 70% of the cubicle space in the office instead of rightful and competent Americans BORN IN THE USA, perhaps you'd understand me better instead of parroting.

So what do the h1b visa contractors do and what do you do for the company?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

So what do the h1b visa contractors do and what do you do for the company?

They steal jobs from the countless millennials and other college-educated Americans who have earned the right to be placed into full-time associate positions in corporation IN AMERICA. The injuns can go back to the cesspit and find a job there writing java code programming a robot on how to clean diarrhea out the sewer, make rat/bat/cat/dog curry, and NOT wear deodorant!!!

[Th'Pusher]

They steal jobs from the countless millennials and other college-educated Americans who have earned the right to be placed into full-time associate positions in corporation IN AMERICA. The injuns can go back to the cesspit and find a job there writing java code programming a robot on how to clean diarrhea out the sewer, make rat/bat/cat/dog curry, and NOT wear deodorant!!!

So do they do the same job as you? Are you all developers? If so, are you coding in the same language or is the company outsourcing a specific language development (like COBOL if you have a mainframe). I'm just trying to understand the landscape.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

So do they do the same job as you? Are you all developers? If so, are you coding in the same language or is the company outsourcing a specific language development (like COBOL if you have a mainframe). I'm just trying to understand the landscape.

Coboll? Lol this is 2016. They were hired for many of the same jobs, exactly. They need to be giving AMERICANS in the same position the first priority, once they've all been employed then and ONLY then can they be permitted to look outside the U.S. That should be federal law, punishable by prison time for the CEO, firing of all executives and publicization of the business.

[Th'Pusher]

Coboll? Lol this is 2016. They were hired for many of the same jobs, exactly. They need to be giving AMERICANS in the same position the first priority, once they've all been employed then and ONLY then can they be permitted to look outside the U.S. That should be federal law.

it's not unusual for Fortune 500 companies to still have a mainframe, but that's beside the point. So, specifically what is it that these people are being hired for? Why are you in the exact same roll? Why is the company hiring a mixture of resident and h1b visa contractors to fulfill demand?

[UNT Eagles 2016]

it's not unusual for Fortune 500 companies to still have a mainframe, but that's beside the point. So, specifically what is it that these people are being hired for? Why are you in the exact same roll? Why is the company hiring a mixture of resident and h1b visa contractors to fulfill demand?
same reason the NBA brings in a bunch of eurotrash at the expense of a lot of talented black american basketball players out of college who never make the NBA, but that trend is kind of dying down. It's called free and open global competition. Americans need to be federally protected against this practice in the private sector.

Trump needs to crack down hard on the private sector and impose some stiff regulations such as this and limiting the salary of certain people in companies, most specifically the top 0.01% of people in the company. The CEO might be doing more and more important work than me, but he doesn't deserve $13 million every year compared to my modest five-figure salary -- that's a roughly 260:1 ratio and there's no way in hell he does 260 times more work than I do. Maybe 20, and that's pushing it.

[Th'Pusher]

same reason the NBA brings in a bunch of eurotrash at the expense of a lot of talented black american basketball players out of college who never make the NBA, but that trend is kind of dying down. It's called free and open global competition. Americans need to be federally protected against this practice in the private sector.
So you're In favor of giving less qualified people jobs based on thier nationality? And you think there should be federal laws preventing the private sector from hiring the most qualified people in favor of American citizens?

Wow. Ok. We disagree on a lot of shit. But :tu.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

So you're In favor of giving less qualified people jobs based on thier nationality? And you think there should be federal laws preventing the private sector from hiring the most qualified people in favor of American citizens?


On U.S. soil? Absolutely. The alternative is unpatriotic and globalistic (puke). Socialism as a portion of the economic and regulatory system, to a certain degree, is only sustainable if it is patriotic and centric on protecting its own at the expense of the foreign weak which we keep weak and that is good. Thus, only a nationalist form of socialism can be good. Globalist socialism is the axis of evil.

[spurraider21]

Hopefully Sheriff Clark sends Burqa-Boo to Guantanamo.lol that would be the most abysmally qualified nomination for anything i've ever heard of. sheriff clark is famous in right wing circles literally because he's a black cop who criticizes black people/blm. if clark were a white sheriff from milwaukee sayin the exact same thing he wouldn't be nearly as celebrated

[Nbadan]

Only 1.8 million jobs to go...


“If (Trump) is successful in doing that 804 more times, then he will meet the record number of manufacturing jobs” created during Obama’s eight years in office.

Earnest went further, saying that the roughly 800,000 jobs he cited were new jobs created under Obama’s watch. He said the president protected “more than a million” additional manufacturing jobs in the Midwest with his bailout of the auto industry.

“The one difference would be the president-elect is talking about protecting jobs,” he said. “The metric I’m using is actually creating jobs.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/308107-white-house-downplays-trump-carrier-announcement

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you worked in IT for a major fortune 100 or better corporation as I do, and you had to hold your breath and cough all day at the office as I do due to the rotten-curry sewage stench emanating from those filthy, brusque, uncultured, ethnocentric currybeaners that occupy 70% of the cubicle space in the office instead of rightful and competent Americans BORN IN THE USA, perhaps you'd understand me better instead of parroting.

I worked as an engineer in the corporate environment for a decade. The Indians I worked with were clean and polite. OTOH, the Americans that I saw coming out of college were both entitled and ill prepared yet complained while lacking introspection. Something I see in you.

I never worried about them taking my job and I have never had issue finding employment since I was recruited out of UT. Sorry that you struggle in a meritocracy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Coboll? Lol this is 2016. They were hired for many of the same jobs, exactly. They need to be giving AMERICANS in the same position the first priority, once they've all been employed then and ONLY then can they be permitted to look outside the U.S. That should be federal law, punishable by prison time for the CEO, firing of all executives and publicization of the business.

This is pretty ignorant coming from someone who tried telling me like it is as if you had a clue.

If you know COBOL, CICS, and similar mainframe languages you will make big bucks in many a fortune 500 company who still use mainframes due to the massive costs associated with migrations.

If you know how to code in C#, Java, HTML, and the like you should have zero issues finding a job in the DFW metroplex. Frankly, if you cannot then the issue is you.

[DMC]

I provided context. It is .000007% of total employment. He is the POTUS, not the mayor of Indianapolis.

You realize we've been at war over about 3000 deaths? There are 300 million in the US. That's .00001%

Call me when it matters.

[DMC]

lol that would be the most abysmally qualified nomination for anything i've ever heard of. sheriff clark is famous in right wing circles literally because he's a black cop who criticizes black people/blm. if clark were a white sheriff from milwaukee sayin the exact same thing he wouldn't be nearly as celebrated

Don Lemon called..

[DMC]

So you're In favor of giving less qualified people jobs based on thier nationality? And you think there should be federal laws preventing the private sector from hiring the most qualified people in favor of American citizens?

Wow. Ok. We disagree on a lot of shit. But :tu.

When companies suckle at the federal teat then they get the "when you live under my roof" speech and that's going to include hiring Americans to save the taxpayer money when the "too big to fail" event happens again.

[mavsfan1000]

Gotta love Trump. Totally an inspired individual.

[dbestpro]

I provided context. It is .000007% of total employment. He is the POTUS, not the mayor of Indianapolis.

Actually, he is doing this and he is not even on the job, yet. A little even perspective might be warranted.

[boutons_deux]

Bernie Sanders: Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump

President-elect Donald Trump will reportedly announce a deal (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/30/the-carrier-jobs-deal-proves-donald-trump-can-get-good-press/?utm_term=.cbfe847ca47c) with United Technologies, the corporation that owns Carrier, that

keeps less than 1,000 of the 2100 jobs in America that were previously scheduled to be transferred to Mexico.

Let’s be clear: It is not good enough to save some of these jobs. Trump made a promise that he would save all of these jobs (http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Jobs.htm), and we cannot rest until an ironclad contract is signed to ensure that all of these workers are able to continue working in Indiana without having their pay or benefits slashed.

In exchange for allowing United Technologies to continue to offshore more than 1,000 jobs (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/29/donald-trump-has-reached-a-deal-with-a-manufacturer-to-keep-jobs-from-going-to-mexico/?utm_term=.156d0fbc6ab0),

Trump will reportedly give the company tax and regulatory favors that the corporation has sought (http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-shift/2016/11/carrier-tariff-now-carrier-tax-cut-217585).

Just a short few months ago, Trump was pledging to force United Technologies to “pay a damn tax (http://www.nbc26.com/news/national/reports-trump-administration-carrier-reach-deal-to-keep-nearly-1000-jobs-in-indiana_).”

He was insisting on very steep tariffs for companies like Carrier that left the United States and wanted to sell their foreign-made products back in the United States.

Instead of a damn tax, the company will be rewarded with a damn tax cut.

Wow! How’s that for standing up to corporate greed? How’s that for punishing corporations that shut down in the United States and move abroad?

In essence, United Technologies took Trump hostage and won.

And that should send a shock wave of fear through all workers across the country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.7cfd737f9d78 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.7cfd737f9d78)

UT extorted tax cut, etc from Trash. aka, The Fart of The Deal

[101A]

Here’s What You Really Need To Know About Trump’s Carrier Deal

Just for the record, the biggest supplier of working-class and middle class jobs in Indianapolis is not Carrier—or any other heavy manufacturing company. The top ten are Eli Lilly, Indiana University, Purdue University, St. Vincent Hospital, St. Francis Hospital, CNA Financial Group, Methodist Hospital, the Peyton Manning Children's Hospital, Roche Diagnostics, and FedEx.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/11/donald-trump-working-class-indiana





Damn, no wonder healthcare costs so much in this country. It employs most of the people!

[boutons_deux]

Damn, no wonder healthcare costs so much in this country. It employs most of the people!

Disease, real or fabricated, is huge driver, like 25% of GDP, of the US economy. America The Beautiful.

[CosmicCowboy]

Bernie Sanders: Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump

President-elect Donald Trump will reportedly announce a deal (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/30/the-carrier-jobs-deal-proves-donald-trump-can-get-good-press/?utm_term=.cbfe847ca47c) with United Technologies, the corporation that owns Carrier, that

keeps less than 1,000 of the 2100 jobs in America that were previously scheduled to be transferred to Mexico.

Let’s be clear: It is not good enough to save some of these jobs. Trump made a promise that he would save all of these jobs (http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Jobs.htm), and we cannot rest until an ironclad contract is signed to ensure that all of these workers are able to continue working in Indiana without having their pay or benefits slashed.

In exchange for allowing United Technologies to continue to offshore more than 1,000 jobs (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/29/donald-trump-has-reached-a-deal-with-a-manufacturer-to-keep-jobs-from-going-to-mexico/?utm_term=.156d0fbc6ab0),

Trump will reportedly give the company tax and regulatory favors that the corporation has sought (http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-shift/2016/11/carrier-tariff-now-carrier-tax-cut-217585).

Just a short few months ago, Trump was pledging to force United Technologies to “pay a damn tax (http://www.nbc26.com/news/national/reports-trump-administration-carrier-reach-deal-to-keep-nearly-1000-jobs-in-indiana_).”

He was insisting on very steep tariffs for companies like Carrier that left the United States and wanted to sell their foreign-made products back in the United States.

Instead of a damn tax, the company will be rewarded with a damn tax cut.

Wow! How’s that for standing up to corporate greed? How’s that for punishing corporations that shut down in the United States and move abroad?

In essence, United Technologies took Trump hostage and won.

And that should send a shock wave of fear through all workers across the country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.7cfd737f9d78 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.7cfd737f9d78)

UT extorted tax cut, etc from Trash. aka, The Fart of The Deal



The Bezos Post making shit up again. No details have been published.

[Clipper Nation]

Leave it to Bernie to complain about jobs staying in America. He's just mad that this means less people will be on the government teat.

[Th'Pusher]

When companies suckle at the federal teat then they get the "when you live under my roof" speech and that's going to include hiring Americans to save the taxpayer money when the "too big to fail" event happens again.

The conversation wasn't couched in the context of companies receiving government contracts as I have no problem with the Feds attaching strings when doling out tax payer cash.

But thanks for butting in with your low value and impertinent take.

[FromWayDowntown]

The libs will never concede or acknowledge anything positive regarding this administration. They have completely closed the book before it's even been written. It's not unity or correct or reliable or positive unless it's one of them. Get used to it. Even twitter is banning right wing point of views. They're extremely hypocritical and to ignorant to even understand the double standards. It's unreal.

This will differ from the Republican view of the last 8 years how, exactly?

President Obama could pronounce the Republican Party the greatest organization in the history of America, and Congressional Republicans would fall all over themselves trying to find some way to say that he was wrong.

[Clipper Nation]

lol that would be the most abysmally qualified nomination for anything i've ever heard of. sheriff clark is famous in right wing circles literally because he's a black cop who criticizes black people/blm. if clark were a white sheriff from milwaukee sayin the exact same thing he wouldn't be nearly as celebrated
Damn, you seem to share Pop's racial issues with outspoken black men, tbh. You seem mad that Sherriff Clarke won't shut up and get back on the plantation.

Sherriff Clarke is almost LeBron-esque in terms of being an important voice for Black America. :worthy:

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You realize we've been at war over about 3000 deaths? There are 300 million in the US. That's .00001%

Call me when it matters.

False equivalence.

Call me when you learn logic.

[DMX7]

The Bezos Post making shit up again. No details have been published.

They may be too embarrassed to make public the exact details... and if the deal were so great Trump would already be boasting about how he hardly gave up anything to get it done, but it's really simple... Trump said he would keep jobs in the US by threatening to tax their imports or by actually doing so. He didn't take that approach with Carrier. It's clear that they just gave Carrier tax breaks which is the exact opposite of what he said he would do. And to top it off, it's already been confirmed by Carrier that they're not even keeping all the jobs here.

[CosmicCowboy]

They may be too embarrassed to make public the exact details... and if the deal were so great Trump would already be boasting about how he hardly gave up anything to get it done, but it's really simple... Trump said he would keep jobs in the US by threatening to tax their imports or by actually doing so. He didn't take that approach with Carrier. It's clear that they just gave Carrier tax breaks which is the exact opposite of what he said he would do. And to top it off, it's already been confirmed by Carrier that they're not even keeping all the jobs here.

Seriously?

"we don't have any facts so it has to be bad"

That sounds like the kind of vacuous statement that Boutons would make.

[boutons_deux]

Seriously?

"we don't have any facts so it has to be bad"

That sounds like the kind of vacuous statement that Boutons would make.

Trash/Pence very probably spent taxpayer $Ms to save 1000 jobs, could repeat those tax expenditures every year. The jobs will probably end up dying or being exported eventually after UT benefits enough from the deal and then quietly close the factory anyway.

And probably the deal with come with "no admission of guilt" and the terms will be secret.

[DMX7]

Seriously?

"we don't have any facts so it has to be bad"

That sounds like the kind of vacuous statement that Boutons would make.

No, we do have some facts. It's a fact that the chairman of the Indiana Economic Development Corp has already confirmed publicly that they have given Carrier a tax break incentive package... And that's what I said, that they gave away tax breaks.

[RGMCSE]

This will differ from the Republican view of the last 8 years how, exactly?

President Obama could pronounce the Republican Party the greatest organization in the history of America, and Congressional Republicans would fall all over themselves trying to find some way to say that he was wrong.


Sure the party that loses will always bitch and moan. But the way libs have shown their ass this time around is unprecedented. lol bitching about saving jobs. :lol If Pres Trump didn't save those jobs hell fire would be spit from every lib in America.

[baseline bum]

Sure the party that loses will always bitch and moan. But the way libs have shown their ass this time around is unprecedented.

Dude, you guys threw a fucking fit over Obama giving the Queen of England an ipod.

[FromWayDowntown]

Sure the party that loses will always bitch and moan. But the way libs have shown their ass this time around is unprecedented.

Yeah, I don't know about that. The GOP pretty much decided to fold its arms and pout about anything that President Obama tried to accomplish before he even took office.


lol bitching about saving jobs. :lol If Pres Trump didn't save those jobs hell fire would be spit from every lib in America.

I'm not sure anyone is bitching about saving jobs, but there are people raising questions about the means by which those jobs were saved. Saving jobs sounds great and I think it's what virtually everyone wants, but it also can't be true that saving jobs by any means would be okay.

Suppose for an instant that what Trump offered in order to keep Carrier in Indy was a promise that it could execute 5 of its employees every year for no reason and without consequence, would saving 1,000 jobs be worth that? Obviously, those aren't the terms of this deal, but if deal was that Trump would rollback of regulations that protect worker safety and the result of that is that every year or so, a Carrier employee is killed on the job through conduct that prior regulations would have prohibited, would that still be worthwhile?

[Sportcamper]

Leave it to Bernie to complain about jobs staying in America.

Fox News (The only reliable news source in America) did a story about the Bern living in a Hippie Commune in the 60's. Apparently Bernie was so lazy that the pot smoking hippies kicked him out. He was invited several times on the show to refute the story but he refused. Easy to see why Democrats hate Trump, Trump wants to put people to work….:lmao

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I don't know about that. The GOP pretty much decided to fold its arms and pout about anything that President Obama tried to accomplish before he even took office.


And for Clinton back when her election seemed a formality.

[spurraider21]

Damn, you seem to share Pop's racial issues with outspoken black men, tbh. You seem mad that Sherriff Clarke won't shut up and get back on the plantation.

Sherriff Clarke is almost LeBron-esque in terms of being an important voice for Black America. :worthy:i'm not upset with him speaking out at all. nor do i think his race disqualifies him from his position. i think going from county sheriff to running DHS is such is ridiculous leap

i didn't say he should be quiet, im just sayin he wouldn't be nearly as big a conservative folk hero if he was just a white sheriff criticizing black culture

[DMX7]

Hopefully, Mr. Trump will give more details tonight during his victory tour but don't count on it.

[RGMCSE]

Dude, you guys threw a fucking fit over Obama giving the Queen of England an ipod.


Say what? I could not care less about that shit.

[baseline bum]

Say what? I could not care less about that shit.

You claimed it was unprecedented. It's pretty much in line with the way conservatives have whined about everything Obama since 2008.

[RGMCSE]

Yeah, I don't know about that. The GOP pretty much decided to fold its arms and pout about anything that President Obama tried to accomplish before he even took office.



I'm not sure anyone is bitching about saving jobs, but there are people raising questions about the means by which those jobs were saved. Saving jobs sounds great and I think it's what virtually everyone wants, but it also can't be true that saving jobs by any means would be okay.

Suppose for an instant that what Trump offered in order to keep Carrier in Indy was a promise that it could execute 5 of its employees every year for no reason and without consequence, would saving 1,000 jobs be worth that? Obviously, those aren't the terms of this deal, but if deal was that Trump would rollback of regulations that protect worker safety and the result of that is that every year or so, a Carrier employee is killed on the job through conduct that prior regulations would have prohibited, would that still be worthwhile?


Like I said bitching and moaning is common place for the loser. It's the manner in which it's done which is unprecedented. Protesting and blatant lying and violence from the libs all in the name of peace and racism. Lol the libs are the ones causing havoc because they don't know how to lose with grace.

As for the jobs libs instantly came out and shit on it without even knowing the terms. It's all speculation to support the hate coming from the left. I've never seen such hypocrisy in my life. lol I'm gonna bust out some windows and beat the shit outta some poor innocent bystander whom I don't even know their political views all in the name of peace. :cry

[boutons_deux]

Carrier deal was a model of how Trump operates: In secret, with good headlines as the ultimate goal (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/1/1605971/-Carrier-deal-was-a-model-of-how-Trump-operates-In-secret-with-good-headlines-as-the-ultimate-goal)

Donald Trump took the time to rail against them (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/indiana-manufacturing-deal-trump-pence-carrier) on the campaign trail repeatedly.


"Over the years, I've watched, for years, for 10 years, for 12 years, for 15 years, beyond Obama, and I've watched as politicians talked about stopping companies from leaving our states," Trump said.

"Remember, they'd give the low-interest loans.

Here's a low-interest loan if you stay in Pennsylvania.

Here's a zero-interest loan.

You don't have to pay.

Here's a this.

Here's a tax abatement of any kind you want.

We'll help your employees.

It doesn't work, folks. :lol

That's not what they need. They have money.

They want to go out, they want to move to another country, and

because our politicians are so dumb, they want to sell their product to us and not have any retribution, not have any consequence. So all of that's over." :lol

But John Mutz, a former Indiana lieutenant governor who sits on the [Indiana Economic Development Corporation’s] 12-member board, told POLITICO that Carrier turned down a previous offer from IEDC before the election.

He said he thinks the choice is driven by concerns from Carrier’s parent company, United Technologies, that it could lose a portion of its roughly $6.7 billion in federal contracts.

“This deal is no different than other deals that we put together at the IEDC to retain jobs, but the fact is that the difference is that United Technologies depends on the federal government for lots of business,” Mutz said.

“The major factor that’s changed is we had an election,”


Trump did talk about “retribution” for companies taking jobs overseas. So it seems the choice, at least implicitly, was “take this giant pile of money to only move half as many jobs to Mexico, or the president-elect will hold a grudge come contracts time.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/01/1605971/-Carrier-deal-was-a-model-of-how-Trump-operates-In-secret-with-good-headlines-as-the-ultimate-goal?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

iow, Trash is still a total LIAR and SELF-PROMOTING FRAUD, GRIFTER

so Pence/Trash are handing out corporate welfare paid for by taxpayers. Probably Indiana will see "pay for" budget cuts that affect a larger number of people than the 1000 jobs saved. But Trash got his PR, that's all that counts, no matter who else pays or gets hurt.

[RGMCSE]

You claimed it was unprecedented. It's pretty much in line with the way conservatives have whined about everything Obama since 2008.

Whining does not compare to literally attacking and inciting violence.

oxM8zwnJPF0

[baseline bum]

Whining does not compare to literally attacking and inciting violence.

oxM8zwnJPF0

You're talking about a few dumbasses protesting after the election. I'm talking about your entire movement and the outrage at every little thing Obama did. LOL at the entire rightwing media going nuts over a fucking ipod or your party refusing to vote on any supreme court nominee for a year.

[CosmicCowboy]

You're talking about a few dumbasses protesting after the election. I'm talking about your entire movement and the outrage at every little thing Obama did. LOL at the entire rightwing media going nuts over a fucking ipod or your party refusing to vote on any supreme court nominee for a year.

Actually, the Supreme Court thing looks brilliant now.

[baseline bum]

Actually, the Supreme Court thing looks brilliant now.

It looks like ignoring their constitutional duty.

[RGMCSE]

You're talking about a few dumbasses protesting after the election. I'm talking about your entire movement and the outrage at every little thing Obama did. LOL at the entire rightwing media going nuts over a fucking ipod or your party refusing to vote on any supreme court nominee for a year.

A few? Alrighty...:lol

[FromWayDowntown]

As for the jobs libs instantly came out and shit on it without even knowing the terms. It's all speculation to support the hate coming from the left.

I'm not sure when people actually concerning themselves with the details of deals morphed into "hate," but if that's how you need to justify your dismissiveness of those who disagree with you, that's your prerogative.

My point is that you can either assume the details will be unconcerning, which is what Trump supporters are inclined to do, or you can withhold judgment on whether this was a good deal or not until you know what precisely the quid pro quo is. The latter would seem to be a rational way to assess the situation until the details are known. I'm not a particularly big fan of government operating in the public sphere without some degree of transparency, so until I know more, I'll say that I'm hopeful that the deal with Carrier is a good one for the entity and its employees, and for taxpayers.

[FromWayDowntown]

It looks like ignoring their constitutional duty.

It looks like a precedent that Republicans will scream about with great indignity when its their ox that is gored.

[baseline bum]

It looks like a precedent that Republicans will scream about with great indignity when its their ox that is gored.

Just like when the Democrats start filibustering every thing that comes through the senate. Then they'll use it as justification for ending the filibuster rule, which is what the Democrats should have done in 2009.

[DarrinS]

I know exactly what those employees are going through. Back in the early 90's, I worked at a factory that manufactured vehicle electronics components. We were all told one day that they were moving production to Mexico.

[hater]

Lmao at ppl crying about this.

Ye jest cant win with these retards. Do nothing like Obama and you a shit president. Do something like Trump just did and you are doing too much. This country is doomed

[SpursforSix]

By the time we move those jobs back here, they'll be done by robots.
Robots. Mark my words.

[Clipper Nation]

Why are liberals so upset about this deal and not about the $1.7 billion in tax incentives that Jerry Moonbeam Brown gave to the entertainment industry to keep them in Hollywood?

http://www.laweekly.com/news/165-billion-hollywood-tax-giveaway-approved-and-its-a-shame-5089371

And how's that worked out for California? Not great. The tax breaks have not created jobs or boosted pay. Other states who tried similar programs found that unemployment actually went down after they got rid of them. Real estate prices and the cost of living in LA continue to be sky-high because of Hollywood, while California continues to have the worst roads in the nation, a failed school system and a massive poverty epidemic.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/tax-breaks-for-hollywood-moguls-are-a-sham-usc-studies-say-7280500

At least Trump's deal is helping blue-collar working-class Americans keep their jobs and continue to contribute to society in a meaningful way.

[boutons_deux]

"helping blue-collar working-class Americans keep their jobs"

sooner or later, those jobs go to MX.

Trash ridiculed all these kinds of deals in his campaign, see quote above, now he does one.

[RGMCSE]

Why are liberals so upset about this deal and not about the $1.7 billion in tax incentives that Jerry Moonbeam Brown gave to the entertainment industry to keep them in Hollywood?

http://www.laweekly.com/news/165-billion-hollywood-tax-giveaway-approved-and-its-a-shame-5089371

And how's that worked out for California? Not great. The tax breaks have not created jobs or boosted pay. Other states who tried similar programs found that unemployment actually went down after they got rid of them. Real estate prices and the cost of living in LA continue to be sky-high because of Hollywood, while California continues to have the worst roads in the nation, a failed school system and a massive poverty epidemic.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/tax-breaks-for-hollywood-moguls-are-a-sham-usc-studies-say-7280500

At least Trump's deal is helping blue-collar working-class Americans keep their jobs and continue to contribute to society in a meaningful way.

Damn don't killem CN!

Heres some humble pie for those hollywood libtards...

HKZLQFomAUg

[clambake]

pretty sure trump owns carrier.

[boutons_deux]

What It Means for Trump to Save 1,000 Jobs in Indiana

U.S. manufacturing jobs

2000 17,284,000

2010 11,460,000↓ 34% since 2000

2016 12,338,000↑ 8% since 2010

A loss of five million since 2000

=============

Indiana manufacturing jobs

2000 665,000

2010 435,000↓ 35% since 2000

2016 518,000↑ 19% since 2010

A loss of 147,000 since 2000

===================

All Indiana private-sector jobs


2000 2,493,000

2010 2,221,000↓ 11% since 2000

2016 2,523,000↑ 14% since 2010

A gain of 302,000 since the lowest point in the recession

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/30/business/economy/100000004796652.mobile.html?_r=1

+300K private sector jobs under Obama, 300x more than Trash's Tiny Hands.

Had the Repugs not been implementing sociopathic austerity at all govt levels since 2009, to inflict as much economic pain on citizens, jobs losses would have been less and job gains would have been greater.

Thanks, Repugs.

[SpursforSix]

What It Means for Trump to Save 1,000 Jobs in Indiana

U.S. manufacturing jobs

2000 17,284,000

2010 11,460,000↓ 34% since 2000

2016 12,338,000↑ 8% since 2010

A loss of five million since 2000

=============

Indiana manufacturing jobs

2000 665,000

2010 435,000↓ 35% since 2000

2016 518,000↑ 19% since 2010

A loss of 147,000 since 2000

===================

All Indiana private-sector jobs


2000 2,493,000

2010 2,221,000↓ 11% since 2000

2016 2,523,000↑ 14% since 2010

A gain of 302,000 since the lowest point in the recession

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/30/business/economy/100000004796652.mobile.html?_r=1

+300K private sector jobs under Obama, 300x more than Trash's Tiny Hands.

Had the Repugs not been implementing sociopathic austerity at all govt levels since 2009, to inflict as much economic pains on citizens, jobs losses would have been less and job gains would have been greater.

Thanks, Repugs.





Why do you keep ignoring my inquiries??? I heard your mom has baboon vagina. Is this true or not. Be specific.
I guess I'll find out this weekend but I really would like to have a heads up.

[Trill Clinton]

a 1000 jobs have been saved, i'm glad trump changed his mind about making companies pay a tariff if they send jobs to other countries. its going to be interesting seeing the rest of these failing rust belt factories asking for the same deals, though.

[Trill Clinton]

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[DMC]

False equivalence.

Call me when you learn logic.

Only because you value one over the other. You pretending 1000 jobs don't matter is pretty fucking stupid.

[boutons_deux]

Only because you value one over the other. You pretending 1000 jobs don't matter is pretty fucking stupid.

1000 jobs isn't even a big deal to UT (197K employees), and it's trivial compared to jobs even in just Indiana, never mind USA.

And it wasn't Don The Con's deal, it was Pence spending Indiana taxpayers $$$ that will be "paid for" by cutting most probably Indiana safety net.

And it's such a shitty deal for UT that it UT had rejected it months before. iow, it's "old business". Those jobs will go to MX, sooner or later.

All y'all Trash fellators been CONNED again. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Economists Take Shots At Trump After He Bribed Carrier Into Keeping Jobs In The U.S.

In the long term, Trump's deal with Carrier could do more damage than good.

"Justin Wolfers @JustinWolfers (https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers)

Every savvy CEO will now threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay. Great economic policy. "

Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman also put the Carrier deal into perspective by comparing it to President Obama’s successful auto rescue, which saved over a million jobs. Back then, the same people applauding Trump for “saving jobs” attacked the current president for moving in to save a vital American industry.

Paul Krugman (https://twitter.com/paulkrugman)
(https://twitter.com/paulkrugman)✔@paulkrugman (https://twitter.com/paulkrugman)

Another metric: Trump would have to do one Carrier-sized deal a week for 30 years to save as many jobs as Obama's auto bailout
11:47 AM - 30 Nov 2016 (https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/804019123781042178)


Steven Rattner (https://twitter.com/SteveRattner)
(https://twitter.com/SteveRattner)✔@SteveRattner (https://twitter.com/SteveRattner)

Total Carrier jobs saved: 1,100
Carrier jobs saved from going to Mexico: 800
Manufacturing jobs lost this year alone: 62,000

Rattner also pointed out just how much the economy has improved in Indiana during Obama’s time in office, despite those now saying “finally we have a president (Trump) who will stand up for workers.”Tweet:View image on Twitter (https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/804424711404822528/photo/1)https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cynj7eOWQAAMU6y.jpg:small (https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/804424711404822528/photo/1)




Follow (https://twitter.com/SteveRattner)
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For all those questioning what Obama ever did for Indiana, here’s Indiana’s jobless rate since he took office:
2:39 PM - 1 Dec 2016 (https://twitter.com/SteveRattner/status/804424711404822528)





Justin Wolfers @JustinWolfers (https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers)

My latest: In the 2 hours Trump spent flying to Indiana to boast of saving 1,000 jobs, another 6,000 were destroyed.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/upshot/trump-and-carrier-how-a-modern-economy-is-like-a-parking-garage.html … (https://t.co/Wp6OBO3vPW)

But as an overall economic policy, as many economic thinkers have pointed out, it’s not clear how smart it was. In fact, in the long term, it could do more damage than good.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/01/economists-shots-trump-bribed-carrier-keeping-jobs-u-s.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[boutons_deux]

Trash's Carrier scam proves he is a liar and a bad negotiator (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/2/1606281/-Abbreviated-pundit-roundup-Trump-s-Carrier-scam-proves-he-is-a-liar-and-a-bad-negotiator)

We begin today’s roundup with The New York Times editorial board (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/opinion/carrier-jobs-saved-by-government.html?ref=opinion) and its debunking of Donald Trump’s lie that he “saved” American jobs:

Carrier still intends to send (http://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-gives-7-million-in-tax-breaks-to-keep-carrier-jobs-1480608461) 1,300 jobs to Mexico :lol

(Mr. Trump said Thursday that more than 1,100 jobs will be saved, but that includes 300 positions that never were scheduled to leave the country).

Over all, factory employment in Indiana is down by more than 20 percent since 2000; nationwide, it is down by nearly 30 percent.

Stopping the outsourcing of jobs is a worthy goal, but it does not address the underlying trends in technology and public policy that are behind the demise of blue-collar jobs.

It would be naïve to believe that United Technologies — which had estimated it would save $65 million a year by moving the Carrier jobs to Mexico — would give in to Mr. Trump without an expectation of something in return. The State of Indiana has reportedly offered the company $7 million in tax breaks over 10 years to keep the jobs in the state.

In addition, Mr. Trump is expected to ease up on his campaign pledge to slap a 35 percent tariff on Carrier air-conditioners imported from Mexico, a nice concession, given that

Carrier will still be outsourcing more jobs than it is retaining in the deal. :lol


Olivia Nuzzi (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/01/donald-trump-s-carrier-victory-speech-shows-we-re-stuck-with-the-crazy-candidate.html) at The Daily Beast:

Back then, he played the tough guy, promising to inflict painful tariffs on the company if they went through with it.
But in the end, Trump settled on a gentler strategy: allowing Carrier to outsource 1,300 jobs to Mexico in return for 800 jobs remaining in Indiana for economic incentives worth a total of $7 million, negotiated by the vice president-elect, Mike Pence, who for the time being is still the state’s governor and who introduced Trump on Thursday.


A spokesperson for the Trump transition didn’t respond when asked by The Daily Beast if Carrier would still be penalized for the 1,300 jobs they are outsourcing to Mexico.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/02/1606281/-Abbreviated-pundit-roundup-Trump-s-Carrier-scam-proves-he-is-a-liar-and-a-bad-negotiator?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

Don The Con :lol

A TOTAL LYING FRAUD

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPwTIHJcWE0

[boutons_deux]

Fox News Cheers Trash Over 1,000 Carrier Jobs; Denounced Obama For Saving 1.5 Million Auto Industry Jobs
https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/12/01/fox-news-cheers-trump-over-1000-carrier-jobs-denounced-obama-saving-15-million-auto-industry-jobs/214676

:lol

Trash DESERVES to be mocked for his PR bullshit fraud.

[Drachen]

Here’s What You Really Need To Know About Trump’s Carrier Deal



Compared to Carrier's 1,000 jobs, Obama's auto bailout saved something like 250,000 jobs at GM and Chrysler, and 1-2 million total jobs throughout the entire automotive supply chain. Just sayin'.

Needless to say, showering incentives on manufacturing companies to stay in America is not a sustainable national manufacturing strategy. And anyway, aren't Republicans opposed to the government picking winners and losers?



Just for the record, the biggest supplier of working-class and middle class jobs in Indianapolis is not Carrier—or any other heavy manufacturing company. The top ten are Eli Lilly, Indiana University, Purdue University, St. Vincent Hospital, St. Francis Hospital, CNA Financial Group, Methodist Hospital, the Peyton Manning Children's Hospital, Roche Diagnostics, and FedEx.



http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/11/donald-trump-working-class-indiana





Boutons, this post is pretty terrible, even for you. It provides no context, just like trump.

[boutons_deux]

Boutons, this post is pretty terrible, even for you. It provides no context, just like trump.

the post IS context, framework, as all are my other posts above. FUCKING FACTS, deal with it.

[Clipper Nation]

Why are liberals so upset about this deal and not about the $1.7 billion in tax incentives that Jerry Moonbeam Brown gave to the entertainment industry to keep them in Hollywood?

http://www.laweekly.com/news/165-billion-hollywood-tax-giveaway-approved-and-its-a-shame-5089371

And how's that worked out for California? Not great. The tax breaks have not created jobs or boosted pay. Other states who tried similar programs found that unemployment actually went down after they got rid of them. Real estate prices and the cost of living in LA continue to be sky-high because of Hollywood, while California continues to have the worst roads in the nation, a failed school system and a massive poverty epidemic.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/tax-breaks-for-hollywood-moguls-are-a-sham-usc-studies-say-7280500

At least Trump's deal is helping blue-collar working-class Americans keep their jobs and continue to contribute to society in a meaningful way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPbBIBsb6zk

[RGMCSE]

Lol bunch of MSN surfers.

[TeyshaBlue]

Love how all the moonbat, low info cites ignore Bush's auto bailout...

Rock hard stupid for the rabble

[TeyshaBlue]

the post IS context, framework, as all are my other posts above. FUCKING FACTS, deal with it.
Shit take per par.

[boutons_deux]

"Democratic leaders want to use $25 billion of the $700 billion financial industry bailout (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/credit_crisis/bailout_plan/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) to help General Motors (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/general_motors_corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org), Ford Motor (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/ford_motor_company/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and Chrysler (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/chrysler_llc/index.html?inline=nyt-org).

Senators Richard Shelby of Alabama and Jon Kyl (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/jon_kyl/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Arizona said it would be a mistake to use any of the Wall Street rescue money to prop up the automakers. They said an auto bailout would only postpone the industry’s demise.

“Companies fail every day and others take their place. I think this is a road we should not go down,” said Mr. Shelby, the senior Republican on the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee.

“They’re not building the right products,” he said. “They’ve got good workers, but I don’t believe they’ve got good management. They don’t innovate. They’re a dinosaur in a sense.”

Mr. Kyl, the Senate’s second-ranking Republican, added, “Just giving them $25 billion doesn’t change anything. It just puts off for six months or so the day of reckoning.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, said over the weekend that the House would provide aid to the ailing industry, though she did not put a price on her plan.

“The House is ready to do it,” said Representative Barney Frank, the Massachusetts Democrat who chairs the House Financial Services Committee. “There’s no downside to trying.”

But Democrats have only a narrow majority in the Senate, and President Bush opposes the idea.

That raises the possibility that any help for automakers will have to wait until 2009, when President-elect Barack Obama takes office and the Democrats increase their majority in the Senate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/business/17auto.html

:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Only because you value one over the other. You pretending 1000 jobs don't matter is pretty fucking stupid.

I never said that it was without meaning. I said it was insignificant once you understood the denominator. Try and keep up, dim.

Human life is infinitely more valuable than a job. Life is not fungible. Jobs are.

[TeyshaBlue]

Moonbat posts a link from 2008.:lmao
Here's a factual link you'll ignore again.
:lol boutons
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-was-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers

[TeyshaBlue]

I never said that it was without meaning. I said it was insignificant once you understood the denominator. Try and keep up, dim.

Human life is infinitely more valuable than a job. Life is not fungible. Jobs are.

You can go almost infiniely macro on anything I guess. 1000 jobs feels substsntial in my view.

Job recovery/loss/creation doesn't normally happen in single batches of 100k, imo.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You can go almost infiniely macro on anything I guess. 1000 jobs feels substsntial in my view.

Job recovery/loss/creation doesn't normally happen in single batches of 100k, imo.

I'm not infinitely progressing. I stop at the US economy. In 2016 there were 7.8m unemployed.

If he were to do one such deal every day, he would get the unemployment problem solved in 21 years, 5 months.

[DMC]

I never said that it was without meaning. I said it was insignificant once you understood the denominator. Try and keep up, dim.

Human life is infinitely more valuable than a job. Life is not fungible. Jobs are.

So without meaning and insignificant are not the same things? Fuzzy logic.

I'm in Toronto. How come I don't see all of you cry babies crossing?

So are you saying you are pro-life?

[boutons_deux]

Trump is shocked that Carrier took him literally. That doesn’t bode well for his many promises.

Trump candidly admitted that he didn't even remember having promised to keep Carrier's jobs in the state and insisted that he hadn't actually meant to make that promise.

He said something to the effect, 'No we're not leaving, because Donald Trump promised us that we're not leaving,'" Trump said.

"And I never thought I made that promise — not with Carrier.

I made it for everybody else. I didn't make it really for Carrier. And I said, 'What's he saying?'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trumps-is-shocked-that-carrier-took-him-literally-that-doesnt-bode-well/?utm_term=.db53074758da&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

:lol

Holy Shit! Your rightwingnutjob motherfucking Trash fellators, Teysha Blue as leader, have been so totally CONNED by Don the Con!

:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm not infinitely progressing. I stop at the US economy. In 2016 there were 7.8m unemployed.

If he were to do one such deal every day, he would get the unemployment problem solved in 21 years, 5 months.

Employment is a boat tossed by a thousand waves. Its not on, nor has it ever been, on the head of a single person. Couching it as thus is disingenuous, at best, whether it be done by Trump or others. Local/State policies drive this as much as Federal structures. That being said, it seems noteworthy that 1000 jobs were moved from one side of the ledger to another.

[TeyshaBlue]

Trump is shocked that Carrier took him literally. That doesn’t bode well for his many promises.

Trump candidly admitted that he didn't even remember having promised to keep Carrier's jobs in the state and insisted that he hadn't actually meant to make that promise.

He said something to the effect, 'No we're not leaving, because Donald Trump promised us that we're not leaving,'" Trump said.

"And I never thought I made that promise — not with Carrier.

I made it for everybody else. I didn't make it really for Carrier. And I said, 'What's he saying?'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trumps-is-shocked-that-carrier-took-him-literally-that-doesnt-bode-well/?utm_term=.db53074758da&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

:lol

Holy Shit! Your rightwingnutjob motherfucking Trash fellators, Teysha Blue as leader, have been so totally CONNED by Don the Con!

:lol




Take your bitch slapping like the little bitch you are. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Moonbat posts a link from 2008.:lmao
Here's a factual link you'll ignore again.
:lol boutons
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-was-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers

:facepalm

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So without meaning and insignificant are not the same things? Fuzzy logic.

I'm in Toronto. How come I don't see all of you cry babies crossing?

So are you saying you are pro-life?

Everything is relative. It is meaningful to the individuals in question. In is insignificant to the unemployment of the US economy which the POTUS is measured by.

Nuance is tough for you it seems.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Employment is a boat tossed by a thousand waves. Its not on, nor has it ever been, on the head of a single person. Couching it as thus is disingenuous, at best, whether it be done by Trump or others. Local/State policies drive this as much as Federal structures. That being said, it seems noteworthy that 1000 jobs were moved from one side of the ledger to another.

And the sum of those waves is 7.8m. That is the denominator. POTUS influence extends to the state and local level too. That is apparent by what he just did.

[Th'Pusher]

Moonbat posts a link from 2008.:lmao
Here's a factual link you'll ignore again.
:lol boutons
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/an-inconvenient-truth-it-was-george-w-bush-who-bailed-out-the-automakers

I think you're missing the forest for the trees on this one. Republicans in the Senate killed the democrats' bill to bail out the auto industry thereby forcing W to act unilaterally against the wishes of his own party.

I don't think this fact hurts Boutons argument that republicans weren't behind the auto bailout. You're actually strengthening his argument, imo.

[TeyshaBlue]

There was opposition on both sides of the aisle to the bailout. That bush went ahead and signed legislation to enable the bailout is his accomplishment

[TeyshaBlue]

There were many well-reasoned arguments in opposition to the bailout. Hell I didn't even want it. But amongst the Specter of massive jobloss, I couldn't see what else to do either

[Th'Pusher]

There was opposition on both sides of the aisle to the bailout. That bush went ahead and signed legislation to enable the bailout is his accomplishment

Your link.

On December 19, 2008, a week after Republicans in the Senate had killed a bailout bill proposed by Democrats, saying it didn’t impose big enough wage cuts on the U.A.W....

[TeyshaBlue]

From my link

"The only problem with Biden’s history lesson is that the “man with steel in his spine” he referred to should have been George W. Bush, not Barack Obama. Lest we forget, it was Bush rather than Obama who initiated the government rescue of the auto companies."

[boutons_deux]

TRASH WARNS THAT COMPANIES SHIPPING JOBS OVERSEAS WILL BE SLAPPED WITH ENORMOUS BRIBES

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report))—President-elect Donald J. Trump drew a line in the sand on Friday as he warned that U.S. companies planning to ship jobs overseas will be slapped with enormous bribes.

“If you think you’re going to get away with sending jobs out of the U.S., think again,” Trump said. “You are about to be bribed, big league.”

He raised the cautionary example of Carrier Corporation, which this week decided to keep a few hundred jobs in the U.S. in exchange for a seven-million-dollar government incentive.

“I warned those boys at Carrier: we can do this the easy way, or the hard way, where you get seven million dollars,” he said. “They backed down so fast—it was terrific.”

The President-elect said that the Carrier story should strike fear into the hearts of all American businesses that might be contemplating shipping jobs overseas.

“Do you really want to wind up like Carrier, with seven million dollars in your pockets?” he asked. “I don’t think so.”

In a parting shot, Trump warned companies that he was prepared to back up his tough rhetoric with even tougher action.

“I will bribe you so hard, your grandchildren will get paid,” he threatened.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-warns-that-companies-shipping-jobs-overseas-will-be-slapped-with-enormous-bribes (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-warns-that-companies-shipping-jobs-overseas-will-be-slapped-with-enormous-bribes)

[TeyshaBlue]

From my link

"The only problem with Biden’s history lesson is that the “man with steel in his spine” he referred to should have been George W. Bush, not Barack Obama. Lest we forget, it was Bush rather than Obama who initiated the government rescue of the auto companies."

It's almost as if Republicans and Democrats occasionally think differently from their respective brethren and act accordingly.

Shocking.

[Nbadan]

However both sides want to spin this, this is funny,,,,


TRASH WARNS THAT COMPANIES SHIPPING JOBS OVERSEAS WILL BE SLAPPED WITH ENORMOUS BRIBES

....and that's the bottom line...

[DMC]

Everything is relative. It is meaningful to the individuals in question. In is insignificant to the unemployment of the US economy which the POTUS is measured by.

Nuance is tough for you it seems.

When you contradict yourself it's a "nuance".

Trump isn't the POTUS.

Are you pro-life?

[DMC]

And the sum of those waves is 7.8m. That is the denominator. POTUS influence extends to the state and local level too. That is apparent by what he just did.

Trump isn't the POTUS. POTUS is the one who scoffed at him when he said he would save them.

[johnsmith]

This isn't a big deal....it was only a 1,000 jobs.....I mean, Boutons has been unemployed for decades now and still manages to post here 100's of times a day....this is just a 1,000 less people to compete with him for political forum space.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Trump isn't the POTUS. POTUS is the one who scoffed at him when he said he would save them.

POTUS-elect. Explain how that is a substantive difference, dim. Bet you cannot do more the contest minutiae point of facts.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When you contradict yourself it's a "nuance".

Trump isn't the POTUS.

Are you pro-life?

I'm not here to answer your meaningless questions, dim. How about discussing my argument itself? Your deflections tell me you cannot.

I'm evaluating from the national level which he is about to be responsible for. You are looking at it from the vantage of your own ego. Things can be many things all at the same time. All I get from your take is that you are a small man.

[spurraider21]

liberals are criticizing this deal because "lol he gave them tax breaks so they can stay"

no shit. its always been the conservative mantra to give tax breaks to companies so they can employ more americans. thats part of the trickle down they praise.

whether its a viable economic model is a different story, but as far as the carrier deal, its sticking to the conservative script

[boutons_deux]

:lol

Under Pence, state gave incentives to companies that offshored jobs

since Pence became governor in 2013, the state has awarded millions of dollars in economic development incentives to companies that have moved production to foreign countries such as Mexico and China. Those production shifts have cost thousands of Hoosiers their jobs during Pence’s time in office.

An IndyStar analysis found that the Indiana Economic Development Corporation — which Pence leads — has approved $24 million in incentives to 10 companies that sent work to foreign countries.

Of those incentives, nearly $8.7 million has been paid out so far.

During that same period, those companies terminated or announced layoffs of more than 3,800 Hoosier workers while shifting production to other countries, :lol where labor tends to be far less expensive.

The state has clawed back or put a hold on some or all of the incentives in four of those cases, returning $746,000 in taxpayer subsidies. But in the other six cases, the companies faced no consequences.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/08/28/under-pence-state-gave-incentives-companies-offshored-jobs/89260966/

Y'all Trash supporters have been 100% CONNED! :lol

Trash "saved" less that 1000 jobs, while Carrier, etc offshored about 5000 jobs! :lol

[DMC]

POTUS-elect. Explain how that is a substantive difference, dim. Bet you cannot do more the contest minutiae point of facts.

Because one is the POTUS and the other isn't.

[DMC]

I'm not here to answer your meaningless questions, dim. How about discussing my argument itself? Your deflections tell me you cannot.

I'm evaluating from the national level which he is about to be responsible for. You are looking at it from the vantage of your own ego. Things can be many things all at the same time. All I get from your take is that you are a small man.

You said "Human life is infinitely more valuable than a job. Life is not fungible. Jobs are.."

So I asked if you are pro-life. I suspect you aren't, which means it doesn't have infinite value to you. If a woman was preggers and decided to abort because she would have to quit her job to have a baby, losing her career possibly, that would be ok with you? In that instance, a single job was more important than a single life.

You don't know whether to shit or go blind.

[boutons_deux]

Repug/VRWC ideology has been, will always be "free market" bullshit.

Trash's INTERFERENCE with Carrier is govt overreach, non-FREE-market, n'est-ce pas?

But of course, Repugs ADORE Indiana's taxpayer $Ms being given to Carrier and other companies. And I suppose all that corporate "income" is tax free?

[boutons_deux]

Donald Trump’s first big economic blunder: Beneath the noise and bluster, Carrier’s a disastrous deal

Donald Trump has already made a mockery of the presidency — and bribed a company in which he owns stock

an empty P.R. stunt (http://www.salon.com/2016/12/01/donald-trumps-carrier-deal-is-an-empty-p-r-stunt-and-a-bad-precedent-that-incentivizes-bad-corporate-behavior/) in which the president-elect claimed to have rescued jobs from being outsourced to Mexico by Indiana-based Carrier, the manufacturers of heating and air conditioning units.

First, Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence, the governor of Indiana, cut a $7 million check to the corporation in the form of tax giveaways, courtesy of the very taxpayers whose 1,300 jobs are still being stripped away and sent to Mexico. Sure, Carrier chose not to send around 800 jobs to Mexico, but as we learned later, the company is still sending 1,300 jobs to Mexico anyway. Put another way, Trump’s great triumph in Indiana adds up to a net job loss.

The Wall Street Journal reported (http://www.wsj.com/articles/indiana-gives-7-million-in-tax-breaks-to-keep-carrier-jobs-1480608461):


The company will keep about 800 jobs it had planned to move out of the Indianapolis plant, but it still plans to move 600 jobs from that factory to Mexico. United Technologies also will proceed with plans to close a second plant in Huntington, Ind., that makes electronic controls, moving 700 other jobs to Mexico.





http://www.salon.com/2016/12/05/donald-trumps-first-big-economic-blunder-beneath-the-noise-and-bluster-carriers-a-disastrous-deal/

Do you Trash fellators think Trash is gonna impose at 35% tariff on Carrier gear imported from MX? :lol

Or 35% tariff on Trash's own branded crap he imports? :lol

The Carrier deal is pure PR, nothing but fraud, and Trash's supporters fall for it yet again. :lol

[Sportcamper]

I know that the 1000 plus Carrier employees who will remain gainfully employed are really really upset about the deal… :lmao

[mavsfan1000]

Trump does something good. And people still find a way to twist it against him. Smh

[florige]

Trump does something good. And people still find a way to twist it against him. Smh


Oh yeah that really sucks because Obama has always been treated fairly and non biased by the Republicans. They never scrutinized a thing he ever did over his 8 years. Its totally not fair that liberals aren't giving Trump the same respect that conservatives graced Obama with during his two terms. :rolleyes

[mavsfan1000]

Oh yeah that really sucks because Obama has always been treated fairly and non biased by the Republicans. They never scrutinized a thing he ever did over his 8 years. Its totally not fair that liberals aren't giving Trump the same respect that conservatives graced Obama with during his two terms. :rolleyes
Probably because Obama was the worst President ever! Made me turn Republican. Fuck Mandatory Obamacare. And it will get worse unless Trump will finally get rid of it.

[DPG21920]

Oh yeah that really sucks because Obama has always been treated fairly and non biased by the Republicans. They never scrutinized a thing he ever did over his 8 years. Its totally not fair that liberals aren't giving Trump the same respect that conservatives graced Obama with during his two terms. :rolleyes

What kind of logic is this? I keep seeing Dems say stuff like this and it horrifies me. You people vilify Republicans but when the shoe is on the other foot it's eye for an eye.

Looks like you are no different than the people you despise and DEMS wonder why they lost everything. People saw you for what you were and had no other option but to try something different.

[boutons_deux]

"Trump does something good"

He hasn't done anything good for America, but got some good, BOGUS PR for himself. Carrier is shipping 1300 jobs go MX.

I bet Rexnord gets a similar deal, or maybe nothing, and ships all its jobs to MX

[clambake]

What kind of logic is this? I keep seeing Dems say stuff like this and it horrifies me. You people vilify Republicans but when the shoe is on the other foot it's eye for an eye.

Looks like you are no different than the people you despise and DEMS wonder why they lost everything.

this is what both parties have in common.

its the only thing they both agree to do.

[rmt]

Probably because Obama was the worst President ever! Made me turn Republican. Fuck Mandatory Obamacare. And it will get worse unless Trump will finally get rid of it.

That bad - hahaha - this made me chuckle.

[mavsfan1000]

That bad - hahaha - this made me chuckle.
The next step is hating all politicians. Lol

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15338615_712882875552353_8938244688338063715_n.jpg ?oh=adcf420cd1026ee1381b57ceeba1b1f8&oe=58BC2F5E

[boutons_deux]

This not a link to ANDY BOROWITZ or The ONION! :lol

CEO tells investors: Trump’s Carrier deal will be used to automate factory and eliminate jobs

http://usuncut.com/news/ceo-trumps-carrier-deal-will-used-automate-eliminate-jobs/

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[florige]

What kind of logic is this? I keep seeing Dems say stuff like this and it horrifies me. You people vilify Republicans but when the shoe is on the other foot it's eye for an eye.

Looks like you are no different than the people you despise and DEMS wonder why they lost everything. People saw you for what you were and had no other option but to try something different.


Where in my post did I ever say I thought like this, or said that it was even right? I personally haven't bashed Trump yet other than question a few of his appointments. My argument was that a Republican can't expect a Democrat to all of the sudden up and play nice after eight years of constant bashing of Obama AND his family during his entire term. Then to put the icing on the cake the winner of the election was one of the main fabricators of Obama made up stories, birther, founder of ISIS, etc... None of which by the way had any factual evidence whatsoever. So to expect your everyday liberal just to fall in line and get behind Trump after them playing defense (against some pretty nasty accusations btw) for eight whole years, its just not going to happen. Not in a country as politically divided as we are, and with whom was elected.

[florige]

This not a link to ANDY BOROWITZ or The ONION! :lol

CEO tells investors: Trump’s Carrier deal will be used to automate factory and eliminate jobs

http://usuncut.com/news/ceo-trumps-carrier-deal-will-used-automate-eliminate-jobs/

:lol :lol :lol :lol

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/12/07/trump-false-claims-carrier-jobs-sot-ath.cnn

[florige]

Probably because Obama was the worst President ever! Made me turn Republican. Fuck Mandatory Obamacare. And it will get worse unless Trump will finally get rid of it.


I'm not a fan of it either, anything mandatory for that matter. But I didn't expect him to be perfect either.

[spurtech09]

Nothing against Trump but Trump is a Scammer........Proof
https://youtu.be/qnbv95S6BFo

[boutons_deux]

I'm not a fan of it either, anything mandatory for that matter. But I didn't expect him to be perfect either.

may you get clobbered by an uninsured motorist

[boutons_deux]

They ask ‘if I have children’: Carrier union president receiving death threats after criticizing Trump

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/carrier-union-president-receiving-death-threats-after-criticizing-trump/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[RD2191]

:lmao orange piece of shit put on blast and called out by union leader Chuck Jones. The the sensitive little pussy cries about it on twitter. :lmao

[DMX7]

He's an even worse negotiator than I thought. Wow!

[z0sa]

:lol

Under Pence, state gave incentives to companies that offshored jobs

since Pence became governor in 2013, the state has awarded millions of dollars in economic development incentives to companies that have moved production to foreign countries such as Mexico and China. Those production shifts have cost thousands of Hoosiers their jobs during Pence’s time in office.

An IndyStar analysis found that the Indiana Economic Development Corporation — which Pence leads — has approved $24 million in incentives to 10 companies that sent work to foreign countries.

Of those incentives, nearly $8.7 million has been paid out so far.

During that same period, those companies terminated or announced layoffs of more than 3,800 Hoosier workers while shifting production to other countries, :lol where labor tends to be far less expensive.

The state has clawed back or put a hold on some or all of the incentives in four of those cases, returning $746,000 in taxpayer subsidies. But in the other six cases, the companies faced no consequences.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/08/28/under-pence-state-gave-incentives-companies-offshored-jobs/89260966/

Y'all Trash supporters have been 100% CONNED! :lol

Trash "saved" less that 1000 jobs, while Carrier, etc offshored about 5000 jobs! :lol




Fuck the 90 plus percent of both parties offshoring and globalizing, selling their grandkids and kids even out.

[baseline bum]

Where in my post did I ever say I thought like this, or said that it was even right? I personally haven't bashed Trump yet other than question a few of his appointments. My argument was that a Republican can't expect a Democrat to all of the sudden up and play nice after eight years of constant bashing of Obama AND his family during his entire term. Then to put the icing on the cake the winner of the election was one of the main fabricators of Obama made up stories, birther, founder of ISIS, etc... None of which by the way had any factual evidence whatsoever. So to expect your everyday liberal just to fall in line and get behind Trump after them playing defense (against some pretty nasty accusations btw) for eight whole years, its just not going to happen. Not in a country as politically divided as we are, and with whom was elected.

:tu

[florige]

may you get clobbered by an uninsured motorist


Having auto insurance is one thing because it protects the other driver besides yourself. Seat belt, helmet, and Healthcare is all you. If you want to die not wearing a seatbelt, not wearing a helmet, or not having health insurance should be up to the individual not the federal government. That's just my opinion.

[boutons_deux]

Trump goes off on Carrier workers who lost their jobs: They should have spent 'more time working' (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/8/1608800/-Trump-goes-off-on-Carrier-workers-who-lost-their-jobs-They-should-have-spent-more-time-working)

✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues

7:56 PM - 7 Dec 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/806678853305384960)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/08/1608800/-Trump-goes-off-on-Carrier-workers-who-lost-their-jobs-They-should-have-spent-more-time-working?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/08/1608800/-Trump-goes-off-on-Carrier-workers-who-lost-their-jobs-They-should-have-spent-more-time-working?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29)Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

:lol Don The Con: "Fuck the working class! If you lose your jobs, it's your fault. aka "blaming the victim" "

(standard Repug policy, eg, the Repug rape caucus)


(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

[tlongII]

Trump goes off on Carrier workers who lost their jobs: They should have spent 'more time working' (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/8/1608800/-Trump-goes-off-on-Carrier-workers-who-lost-their-jobs-They-should-have-spent-more-time-working)

✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues

7:56 PM - 7 Dec 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/806678853305384960)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/08/1608800/-Trump-goes-off-on-Carrier-workers-who-lost-their-jobs-They-should-have-spent-more-time-working?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/08/1608800/-Trump-goes-off-on-Carrier-workers-who-lost-their-jobs-They-should-have-spent-more-time-working?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29)Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

:lol Don The Con: "Fuck the working class! If you lose your jobs, it's your fault. aka "blaming the victim" "

(standard Repug policy, eg, the Repug rape caucus)


(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)


He's right.

[DMX7]

He's right.

He's not right.

[tlongII]

He's not right.

He's right. Labor unions are the scourge of the country.

[Spurminator]

What the Layoffs Look Like at the Carrier Plant Trump Said He’d Save

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-its-like-to-get-laid-off-at-the-carrier-plant-trump-said-hed-save?mbid=social_facebook


“Trump came in there to the factory last December and blew smoke up our asses. He wasn’t gonna save those jobs. And, if that’s the case, he would have saved us and Rexnord, a company around the corner from us that makes parts.

“We had a mix of Trump supporters and Clinton supporters at the factory, I’d say. The ones that really supported him are quiet right now. Some of them got let go yesterday, too."

[ducks]

You believe a New York site lol

[clambake]

You believe a New York site lol

i believe that they have already laid-off hundreds.

hundreds.

feel free to check

[ElNono]

bigly layoffs... best layoffs in the country

[clambake]

tippy top

[Trill Clinton]

it was all good a year ago

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[RandomGuy]

“a con man pure & simple who sold us a bag of shit.”

That is all Crooked Donny has to sell. Tax cuts for himself, immunity from legal penalties for his bankers, and regulation exceptions to benefit his properties.

[Wild Cobra]

Funny, how the best information I can find, suggests Carrier broke the deal. Not Trump.

[ElNono]

Nobody broke any deal... Carrier said they were going to lay those people off when the deal was made. That said:

Soon after the deal to save the plant was announced, United Technologies CEO Greg Hayes said in an interview on CNBC that the $16 million the company planned to invest in the plant would be spent on automation to make it more efficient. He also said that would mean fewer jobs.

The writing is on the wall, and those that thought Trump would bring back manufacturing jobs to the US out of thin air don't know a thing about economics.

We've yet to see what's going to happen with NAFTA.

[RandomGuy]

Funny, how the best information I can find, suggests Carrier broke the deal. Not Trump.

“I feel duped by the president,” she said of the man she voted for

[boutons_deux]

Funny, how the best information I can find, suggests Carrier broke the deal. Not Trump.

any deal was not legally binding, non-enforceable, and any deal with Trash benefits only Trash and hurts the other party(s).

We won't hear from Trash on Carrier until Fox & Fs talks about it.