Dedmon<3..

[tonight...you]

It's probably been discussed already, but how much money will the Spurs have to play around with this off-season? Trying to get an idea of how much the Spurs can throw at the deadman, tbh.

The hope and prayer, right now, is that the team can give him the MLE, which could be close to 10 milly a year, but a bit less, and that other teams either pass, or are to cash-strapped.
And that's including Manu's retirement (which may not happen) and Patty leaving.

It doesn't look good, my friend.

[SAGirl]

yea a lot of discussion about it in the think tank section.. Chinook started a salaries thread for next season to chat about it. He could be a real starting quality center and those guys don't sign for the MLE... but maybe a backloaded contract... that escalates each season? Who knows? he needs cap is my understanding. Pau maybe re-uping and renegotiating his deal is probably necessary it looks like.

[sasaint]

yea a lot of discussion about it in the think tank section.. Chinook started a salaries thread for next season to chat about it. He could be a real starting quality center and those guys don't sign for the MLE... but maybe a backloaded contract... that escalates each season? Who knows? he needs cap is my understanding. Pau maybe re-uping and renegotiating his deal is probably necessary it looks like.

I read the post-game comments by Pau, and I thought they were ambiguous at best about embracing a role off the bench. If Pop were to flip-flop Deadman and Pau for the remainder of the season, I wonder how that would affect Pau's decision to opt in next season? If he were to opt in, he knows that he would be squeezing the organization's ability to re-sign the guy who has supplanted him in the starting unit... If he were to opt out for a more team-friendly new contract, that would certainly be putting his money where his mouth is!

[SAGirl]

Another aspect is they may need to renounce Patty and Simmons capholds etc. It's all very complicated and to be fair I don't understand much of it and depends on what Deadman's agent is able to get for him as well as how high in priorities he is to the Spurs in comparison to others.

As we have suspected Mills looks very doubtful and Simmons is probably 50/50 depending what his agent is able to get for him and his play in the postseason.

[sasaint]

Another aspect is they may need to renounce Patty and Simmons capholds etc. It's all very complicated and to be fair I don't understand much of it and depends on what Deadman's agent is able to get for him as well as how high in priorities he is to the Spurs in comparison to others.

As we have suspected Mills looks very doubtful and Simmons is probably 50/50 depending what his agent is able to get for him and his play in the postseason.

Deadman has progressed a great deal during his time as a Spur. I wonder if he internalizes how much? And how different that progress has been as a Spur compared to the time he essentially spent stagnating in Orlando? How much time has Tim spent with him? How much loyalty does that engender? How much a part of the Spurs "family" does he feel? On the other hand could he regress? In short, will he be willing to work with PATFO to structure a deal that is mutually beneficial?

Many posters want to point to Biyombo's contract as some inflationary market indicator. The fact is, it could actually have the opposite effect. Biyombo has hardly lived up to that contract and the expectations Orlando had for him. Teams interested in Deadman could be a little more cautious this time around - even seeing Deadman as a product of the Spurs' system.

All of this will have an impact on Deadman, but also on the Spurs' ability to retain any other FA.

[DAF86]

New salary thread up in the Think Tank. Prognosis is actually pretty horrible. Might have to refinance Pau just to be able to bring the same team back and avoid the tax.

What if we let Mills and Simmons go and just sign Dedmon? How much money can we offer him then?

[Chinook]

What if we let Mills and Simmons go and just sign Dedmon? How much money can we offer him then?

Not much more at all. Less than a million.

[DAF86]

Not much more at all. Less than a million.

The fuck? Why is that? Mills, Simmons and Manu, all gone and we can only offer less than a million more?

[SAGirl]

All of Mills Simmons and Deadman are underpaid in relation to production. Simmons is probably not getting a huge contract but he's in such a small deal that he will get more undoubtedly.

Deadman is massively underpaid if he turns into the starting C of a playoff team... If Spurs win a championship factor that in. Mills is underpaid relative to performance. It's the truth. They guys are due to get paid. They are all in their primes and this is their chance to cash in. Realize and think about that.

Manu is likely retiring... IMO.

When you consider this situation you will realize why development for Spurs players in rookie deals are key and why they are still under contract (including Forbes--possible Patty insurance), instead of getting waived like so many trigger happy fans want with the intention of picking up TOSB flotsam in min deals for the rest of the season that have no upside and are severely unlikely to crack the rotation anyways. And if they do need to be paid the season after.... unless that guy was really going to make a dent it's not worth it.

Frankly until Chinook's post in the think tank section I hadn't realized the situation was so complicated.

[james evans]

We won't be able to keep Dedmond. We gotta use that money to give Parker and Ginobli severance packages for the next 3 seasons. Because if Parker pulls that "______ offered me $17 million to come play for them" and they give him ANOTHER Kobe contract, we're fucked.

[Chinook]

The fuck? Why is that? Mills, Simmons and Manu, all gone and we can only offer less than a million more?

They don't have cap space. There are long posts about it in this thread already. The new cba really cut most of the space the team was going to have.

[gambit1990]

i have no idea how much we can offer him, but if it's reasonable i don't see him bolting for a much better contract on a lousy team.

should be be an interesting offseason.

maybe pau will see the value in retaining dedmon, opt out, then resign on a backloaded deal a la jefferson.

[SAGirl]

Dedmon really is the one guy I'd like to keep bc he's very unlikely to be easily replaced. If hes the difference maker we think in the posteason I hope Spurs do what they must to keep him. They did with Tiago and Diaw so I hope they do what they must. I won't worry much about it. I do realize it will be difficult to pay everyone and some guys are inescapably due to get paid.

We we got to enjoy this team this season. :tu

[cd021]

The hope and prayer, right now, is that the team can give him the MLE, which could be close to 10 milly a year, but a bit less, and that other teams either pass, or are to cash-strapped.
And that's including Manu's retirement (which may not happen) and Patty leaving.

It doesn't look good, my friend.

I've heard that it's about $8.4 million. If that's the case, then we can offer him a 3 +1 contract (3 years and the 4th year being a player option), and about $36 million. Hopefully that is good enough to keep him here.

[ceperez]

All of Mills Simmons and Deadman are underpaid in relation to production. Simmons is probably not getting a huge contract but he's in such a small deal that he will get more undoubtedly.

Deadman is massively underpaid if he turns into the starting C of a playoff team... If Spurs win a championship factor that in. Mills is underpaid relative to performance. It's the truth. They guys are due to get paid. They are all in their primes and this is their chance to cash in. Realize and think about that.

Manu is likely retiring... IMO.

When you consider this situation you will realize why development for Spurs players in rookie deals are key and why they are still under contract (including Forbes--possible Patty insurance), instead of getting waived like so many trigger happy fans want with the intention of picking up TOSB flotsam in min deals for the rest of the season that have no upside and are severely unlikely to crack the rotation anyways. And if they do need to be paid the season after.... unless that guy was really going to make a dent it's not worth it.

Frankly until Chinook's post in the think tank section I hadn't realized the situation was so complicated.

You got that right about Forbes being Patty insurance. The thing though about Patty, other teams also see his limitations (i.e. size). So its hard to see how much premium teams will pay.

[Seventyniner]

They don't have cap space. There are long posts about it in this thread already. The new cba really cut most of the space the team was going to have.

How does the new CBA affect Golden State's roster once they re-sign Durant? Will they have to gut it again?

[Chinook]

How does the new CBA affect Golden State's roster once they re-sign Durant? Will they have to gut it again?

I think they'll enter the summer with about $40 Million in space. That's counting Curry's hold and roster charges. Durant would take up a huge chunk of that on a max deal (like $34 Million). Between that remaining $6 Million and the room exception, they'll have some flexibility.

[Big Empty]

Spurs will go over the cap one season to keep him Gasols contract and parkers are off the book after next season. Sky will be the limit. By then, D Murray will be the starter.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs will go over the cap one season to keep him Gasols contract and parkers are off the book after next season. Sky will be the limit. By then, D Murray will be the starter.

Actually if the Spurs pay Patty and Dedmon in the summer they'll probably have very little to spend in 2018 unless they renounce LMA and/or Green.

[bigfan]

Keep KL/LMA and Dedmon, everyone else, well, optional

[Mr. Body]

How does the new CBA affect Golden State's roster once they re-sign Durant? Will they have to gut it again?

If Durant gets max, they should lose Iguodala and Livingston.

[Seventyniner]

If Durant gets max, they should lose Iguodala and Livingston.

That's what I'm thinking. With Green and Thompson at 34M combined and Curry with a 18M cap hold (150% of this year's salary), adding Durant's 34M takes them to 82M with only 4 players. Iggy's and Livingston's cap holds would have to go given all the roster charges, etc. I just wondered what the actual numbers would look like.

[SpursIndonesia]

If Durant gets max, they should lose Iguodala and Livingston.

Livingston will certainly go, this is his best chance to get paid while being quite healthy to earn that good payday. But Iguodala might resign there after being renounced, taking the exception, he has already been well compensated through out his career.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Once an NBA castoff, Dedmon emerges as Spurs’ unlikely starting center:

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Once-an-NBA-castoff-Dedmon-emerges-as-Spurs-10966540.php?t=cfb171c05657d28543&cmpid=reddit-premium

[TheGreatYacht]

What an overrated player, tbh :lol

Some Bible hugger better get in here and pray the Spurs don't pay him..

[PopTheGOAT]

What an overrated player, tbh :lol

Some Bible hugger better get in here and pray the Spurs don't pay him..
Do you post anything positive? Jw

[ECOV]

Do you post anything positive? Jwi say that about most people on this site lol

[PopTheGOAT]

i say that about most people on this site lol
There's a select few that are especially bad lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Do you post anything positive? Jw
Parker is the best guard in franchise history and top 3 player

[PopTheGOAT]

Parker is the best guard in franchise history and top 3 player
:toast There you go

[TheGreatYacht]

Will he foul out today?

[Ice009]

I'm a bit worried about how he'll play when the bright lights of the playoffs go on. He hasn't played in anything at that high of a level, has he?

I hope he does well.

[TheGreatYacht]

I know he's been absolutely horrendous these last few weeks, but I don't think he should start in a potential Houston series... Terrible matchup for him.

-12 today in 9 minutes and the only negative +/- in the starting lineup

[TheGreatYacht]

Terrible fucking player, tbh.... :lol

at least Errors never blocked his own teammate's shot

[Splits]

:lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Benched for Joel Anthony

Sad!

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Why has he sucked literally since the day Pop named him the official starter

[CGD]

Ah, memories are short. Scroll up on this thread, and see that just a week ago people were calling the second coming. Dude just had two bad two games.

[TheGreatYacht]

Averaging 6.6ppg, 8.3reb, 0.9blk as a starter

Second coming of Errors?

[HarlemHeat37]

He's been the 2nd best rim protector in the NBA, this season:lol he has been the best face-up defensive big in the NBA, this season, too, statistically..

It's crazy how many posters on this forum don't understand that role players have stretches where they struggle in an 82-game season, tbh..

[DPG21920]

He's been the 2nd best rim protector in the NBA, this season:lol he has been the best face-up defensive big in the NBA, this season, too, statistically..

It's crazy how many posters on this forum don't understand that role players have stretches where they struggle in an 82-game season, tbh..

Especially on offense when you know they are offensively limited. Given the slow starts have been on both ends (offense sucking plays a role in the defense struggling though).

[DPG21920]

Not that anyone should expect any big let alone Dedmon to stop Russ but good chance you see the real value of Dedmon tonight with his ability to help out defending guards either on the perimeter or when they get to the rim

[TheGreatYacht]

Koufos's bitch tbh :lol

Funny how posters, who don't watch the games, haven't noticed that every Spurs run over the last few games happen when he's on the bench with a towel on his head.. Even Pop has grown tired of him by looking at his dwindling minutes lmfao

[HarlemHeat37]

Koufos's bitch tbh :lol

Funny how posters, who don't watch the games, haven't noticed that every Spurs run over the last few games happen when he's on the bench with a towel on his head.. Even Pop has grown tired of him by looking at his dwindling minutes lmfao

Nobody denied that he's been struggling lately..as I said, some of you guys expect too much consistency from role players and overreact on a game-by-game basis:lol

[midnightpulp]

I wasn't initially on board, but I like him. And I like the versatility he provides in the big rotation that we can go from him to Gasol if the situation demands it. I do fear his lack of experience will rear its head in the playoffs. But we have plenty of bigs to cover for him.

[TheGreatYacht]

I wasn't initially on board, but I like him. And I like the versatility he provides in the big rotation that we can go from him to Gasol if the situation demands it. I do fear his lack of experience will rear its head in the playoffs. But we have plenty of bigs to cover for him.
You chose the wrong time to hop on board :lol

This shit is sinking harder than the titanic

[Ice009]

You chose the wrong time to hop on board :lol

This shit is sinking harder than the titanic

lol. I was very happy with Dedmon, but not right now since he was made a starter. What a weird time to get on board.

I wanted him starting to set the tone on defense, but unfortunately, since he's been an officially starting, he hasn't played well at all.

[BillMc]

I think the pairing of Dedmon and Lee was a win-win for both players. They complimented each other well, being basically opposites (except for rebounding). Lee is undersized, and struggles on defense but also is immensely skilled with an intuitive understanding of offense. Dedmon is 7,0, a defensive specialist (except for the fouls) who really isn't a natural at the game given he started too late in life.

If Dedmon continues to flounder Pop had a decision to make. The problem is Pop can't just put Gasol back in the starting position really for another trial run. I don't think Pau would appreciate being yanked this way and that and I'm sure Pop had to sell him on the bench roll. If Pau does get the starting gig back it's gonna have to be for the rest of the season. Either way the time for experimenting is over. Too few games and seeding is in play.

[TheGreatYacht]

The 5 man unit of Dedmon, Lee, Simmons, Ginobili, Mills is universally better than Deadman in the starting lineup (Per 100 poss) tbh :lol

The 2 man combination of Dedmon-Lee is also better than the Deadman-LA combo

It was a nice little experiment against cupcake teams, but it's time switch back tbh..

[dabom]

Dedmon is still good in the starting lineup.

[TheGreatYacht]

Dedmon is still good in the starting lineup......


































... if you like trying to comeback from behind.

[TD 21]

The 5 man unit of Dedmon, Lee, Simmons, Ginobili, Mills is universally better than Deadman in the starting lineup (Per 100 poss) tbh :lol

The 2 man combination of Dedmon-Lee is also better than the Deadman-LA combo

It was a nice little experiment against cupcake teams, but it's time switch back tbh..

Maybe, but BillMc is right, in that they've got to be sure that if/when they switch back, they do so in perpetuity. Gasol has the biggest ego on the team and was probably only going to be okay with this, if the team 1) Reached a new level (despite the fools gold record, that hasn't happened), 2) He was the clear 6th man/offensive hub off the bench (hasn't always been the case). Yo-yo him around and risk his frustration boiling over and his minimal effort dissipating.

As long as it's sometime soon, I'd wait and see if Parker can get healthy and in rhythm first before making the switch because that's a bigger key to the offense than starting center.

[TheGreatYacht]

Maybe, but BillMc is right, in that they've got to be sure that if/when they switch back, they do so in perpetuity. Gasol has the biggest ego on the team and was probably only going to be okay with this, if the team 1) Reached a new level (despite the fools gold record, that hasn't happened), 2) He was the clear 6th man/offensive hub off the bench (hasn't always been the case). Yo-yo him around and risk his frustration boiling over and his minimal effort dissipating.

As long as it's sometime soon, I'd wait and see if Parker can get healthy and in rhythm first before making the switch because that's a bigger key to the offense than starting center.
I agree with that. I remember Pau saying a couple of days ago that he doesn't care about playing in the first 5 minutes of the game as long as he's out there finishing games. That let me know he had a little bit of an ego, so if he's inserted back in the starting lineup, he has to stay there the rest of the season.

I haven't checked Dedmon's numbers when defending postups but it looks like a huge weakness by watching the games. Teams are starting to post up their Centers (no matter how shitty) against him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWJnzm_9cfI&feature=share

Made Okafor here look like Hakeem tbh :lol

[Ditty]

He's been struggling out there recently, but he will be fine.

[TD 21]

I agree with that. I remember Pau saying a couple of days ago that he doesn't care about playing in the first 5 minutes of the game as long as he's out there finishing games. That let me know he had a little bit of an ego, so if he's inserted back in the starting lineup, he has to stay there the rest of the season.

I haven't checked Dedmon's numbers when defending postups but it looks like a huge weakness by watching the games. Teams are starting to post up their Centers (no matter how shitty) against him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWJnzm_9cfI&feature=share

Made Okafor here look like Hakeem tbh :lol

"A little bit of an ego"? He's constantly waxing on about how intelligent and skilled he is. Gasol loves him some Gasol.

Dedmon lacks strength, particularly of the base variety and can easily be overpowered in the post by brutes. Like most freakishly athletic centers, he also lacks strong fundamentals while doing so.

He's still got Bertans beat though, who's got to be the single worst post defender in the league. Granted, he is a converted small forward, but still; it doesn't matter who it is, their eyes light up when they see him.

[SAGirl]

I think the pairing of Dedmon and Lee was a win-win for both players. They complimented each other well, being basically opposites (except for rebounding). Lee is undersized, and struggles on defense but also is immensely skilled with an intuitive understanding of offense. Dedmon is 7,0, a defensive specialist (except for the fouls) who really isn't a natural at the game given he started too late in life.

If Dedmon continues to flounder Pop had a decision to make. The problem is Pop can't just put Gasol back in the starting position really for another trial run. I don't think Pau would appreciate being yanked this way and that and I'm sure Pop had to sell him on the bench roll. If Pau does get the starting gig back it's gonna have to be for the rest of the season. Either way the time for experimenting is over. Too few games and seeding is in play.
Agreed. Dedmons minutes increase or decline depending on how he's doing but perhaps once Pau came back he really was going to see his minutes decrease anyways so it doesn't matter. Dedmon was developing a lot of chemistry with Tony who fed him lobs, etc. There's too much criticism of Tony to appreciate things like this in the forum. It when Tony plays well Spurs are much more dangerous. Tony has been injured and returning for brief periods with nags. It has affected Dedmon.

guys would just rather not acknowledge that Tony helps others (when he plays well and is healthy).

[DAF86]

Pau will start tomorrow, imho.

[Mnky]

Agreed. Dedmons minutes increase or decline depending on how he's doing but perhaps once Pau came back he really was going to see his minutes decrease anyways so it doesn't matter. Dedmon was developing a lot of chemistry with Tony who fed him lobs, etc. There's too much criticism of Tony to appreciate things like this in the forum. It when Tony plays well Spurs are much more dangerous. Tony has been injured and returning for brief periods with nags. It has affected Dedmon.

guys would just rather not acknowledge that Tony helps others (when he plays well and is healthy).

Tony had been putting together a great string of PG games. Low shot amount, decent percentage and good amount of assists. His defense was even picking up, and then he suddenly slowed down. I'm leaning towards him re aggravating his hammy or something. Fell off quick.

[BillMc]

As long as it's sometime soon, I'd wait and see if Parker can get healthy and in rhythm first before making the switch because that's a bigger key to the offense than starting center.

This.

[TD 21]

It should go without saying that Gasol has to start with Aldridge out, but it wouldn't surprise me if it takes at least a game for the genius to figure this out. Watch him start some ridiculous front line that offers no spacing or offensive focal point, them inevitably labor to score, fall in a hole and end up playing a tougher than it should be game.

The big rotation should now see Gasol and Lee start and Dedmon and Bertans backing them up. Sure, the former will more than likely get torched against starters, but it's the closest thing they have to a balanced rotation.

[lilbthebasedgod]

Gasol and Dedmon is a better combo than LMA and Dedmon anyway. Lee should be the one who moved up to replace Gasol in the SL.


Lee/LMA then Gasol/Dedmon has practically no drop off in offense and defense.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pau starting ahead of Dedmon should be a no-brainer with Aldridge out, I agree with TD21..I don't like the idea of starting Pau and Dedmon together, way too slow, but I wouldn't be surprised if Pop tries it..

[dabom]

Pau starting ahead of Dedmon should be a no-brainer with Aldridge out, I agree with TD21..I don't like the idea of starting Pau and Dedmon together, way too slow, but I wouldn't be surprised if Pop tries it..

I actually like Pau and Dedmon combo.

[TheGreatYacht]

Gasol, Dedmon
Lee, Bertans
Anderson, Simmons
Green, Ginobili
Parker, Mills

and when Kawhi comes back

Gasol, Dedmon
Anderson, Lee
Leonard, Simmons
Green, Ginobili
Parker, Mills

imo tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

2pts, 3rebs, 4 fouls from our starting Center

Losing money by the game :lol

[Play Boban]

This scrub is dead to me tbh. Typical Spurs fans overhyping some scrub tbh.

[AaronY]

This scrub is dead to me tbh. Typical Spurs fans overhyping some scrub tbh.
http://i.imgur.com/pgFUWS7.png

[TheGreatYacht]

^ Boban at least made his minutes count here tbh

[TXstbobcat]

Boban put up his numbers playing garbage time minutes. Detroit regrets giving him that contract and tried to get rid of him before the trade deadline.

[TheGreatYacht]

Boban put up his numbers playing garbage time minutes. Detroit regrets giving him that contract and tried to get rid of him before the trade deadline.
Just like some stupid team will regret paying Deadman more than 5M/per

[TXstbobcat]

Just like some stupid team will regret paying Deadman more than 5M/per

if I had to guess right now, I would predict that the Spurs will let Mills and Simmons walk and will pay Dedmon. It will be a lot more than 5 mil per season and could be a mistake just like Detroit signing Boban.

[Play Boban]

Just like some stupid team will regret paying Deadman more than 5M/per
:bobo

[TheGreatYacht]

Boban is easily better than Deadman though tbh :lol he at least forced his will on scrubs.

He's getting zero playing time in Detroit but it's not because of bad play. These are his splits.

20-29min (1 game): 22MP, 15pts, 19reb
10-19min (6 games): 12.4MP, 6.8ppg, 5.3reb
0-9min (20 games): 4.2MP, 2.3ppg, 1.6reb


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWJnzm_9cfI&feature=share
^ while Okafor was dream shaking on Deadman :lol ,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP5cn6njNWA&feature=share
^ Boban was clowning Okafor :wow

[CGD]

Why isn't he playing today against sactown?

[timtonymanu]

Is Deadman TGY's new player to hate on? :lol

[spursistan]

Is Deadman TGY's new player to hate on? :lol
Yeah,seems like it..Almost feels like he is rooting for him to fail :lol..

[TheGreatYacht]

2pts, 3rebs, 4 fouls from our starting Center

Losing money by the game :lol
2pts, 5rebs and benched in the second half.

He might end up taking the player option when it's all said and done tbh :lol

[dabom]

2pts, 5rebs and benched in the second half.

He might end up taking the player option when it's all said and done tbh :lol

Dude has a Playoff "Game".

[TheGreatYacht]

Dude has a Playoff "Game".
Lmfao no he doesn't. At all.

[dabom]

Lmfao no he doesn't. At all.

Brah.

[lilbthebasedgod]

The starters problems have nothing to do with dedmon. Really, watch how many times he's open on a PnR and doesn't get passed to. The spacing is fine, they just are letting him be open and not focusing on him on defense so the spacing doesn't matter.

[jermaine]

The starters problems have nothing to do with dedmon. Really, watch how many times he's open on a PnR and doesn't get passed to. The spacing is fine, they just are letting him be open and not focusing on him on defense so the spacing doesn't matter.

This is true! They was throwing it up for him at one point. Then they stopped. So it makes him look less effective.

[sasaint]

The starters problems have nothing to do with dedmon. Really, watch how many times he's open on a PnR and doesn't get passed to. The spacing is fine, they just are letting him be open and not focusing on him on defense so the spacing doesn't matter.

I think Deadman can be a nouveau riche man's Deandre Jordan, but it would require a concerted effort to get him involved through oops, for which the Spurs lack the inclination and commitment. How many does Deandre get per game? Deadman should get about the same number, but he's not even close.

[lilbthebasedgod]

I'm not saying oops need to be central to our offense, but in general we need to do things to keep him involved. Defenses are simply ignoring him all the time and its basically a 4 on 5 if they do that and we don't respond. The guy can't create his own offense. That's not his role so no big deal

[Play Boban]

Poop likes to have five black starters it seems. First, he throws Manu to the bench during his prime, and now he benches MVPau, even though he's much better than Deadman. And let's not forget how he threw Rasho into the trash in favor of A-Q, or how he trashed Beno for Van Exel. :rollin

Poop is a liberal who uses affirmative action at the expense of the team. If Poop had his way, there wouldn't be a cracka on this team.

[TheGreatYacht]

Had the least amount of minutes out of every Spur that played today. Played well but just couldn't stop fouling

[TheGreatYacht]

1 point, 0 rebounds, -14 from the Deadman :lol

Gasol<3 ....

[lilbthebasedgod]

Didn't even play bad. Just didn't do anything. You can't blame a guy for only having 1 point when he went 0-0

The problem is he does nothing offensively. Teams leave him alone and it messes with our spacing because we don't pass it to him anyway (and if we did he'd probably pass it back anyway).

It doesn't work unless we're more willing to pass and he's more agressive. If that doesn't change we should move Lee to start (which is something I've wanted and argued more than Dedmon starting)

[BillMc]

i can't believe some on here want to pay Dewayne 10 mill a year, while hoping Pau doesn't reup and we let Lee go....

[TheGreatYacht]

i can't believe some on here want to pay Dewayne 10 mill a year, while hoping Pau doesn't reup and we let Lee go....
This.....

Spurs need to find a way Lee comes back and hope Gasol opts in

[lilbthebasedgod]

i can't believe some on here want to pay Dewayne 10 mill a year, while hoping Pau doesn't reup and we let Lee go....
Pau's an elite bench player. Hope he opts in.

[midnightpulp]

1 point, 0 rebounds, -14 from the Deadman :lol

Gasol<3 ....

He's needed to just hold serve with the starters, since Gasol coming off the bench is a big weapon.

[spursistan]

He's needed to just hold serve with the starters, since Gasol coming off the bench is a big weapon.
Yeah, it is more about Pau than him at this point, though what a disgusting regression after a career month in February for Dedemon..He's been Parker bad in March..

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[Robz4000]

Parker and Dedmon's ratings are related tbh. Dedmon isn't much of an offensive player but can be effective with a decent guard feeding him on the PnR. Meanwhile Dedmon has been a big part of the defense improving to an elite level. Obviously it works with Gasol's monster play off the bench but it could be even better if Parker regains form and gets Dedmon more involved as an offensive threat.

[Ice009]

Didn't Parker make a comment to Dedmon after the game against Philly (in Philadelphia) where he had a 15 and 17 game, telling Dewayne something like - what are you doing? we're trying to re-sign you. I wonder what his stats are like since then?

[SAGirl]

Parker and Dedmon's ratings are related tbh. Dedmon isn't much of an offensive player but can be effective with a decent guard feeding him on the PnR. Meanwhile Dedmon has been a big part of the defense improving to an elite level. Obviously it works with Gasol's monster play off the bench but it could be even better if Parker regains form and gets Dedmon more involved as an offensive threat.
You have a good point. He's dependent on good guard play to get looks and that has been missing from the starting lineup.

[TheGreatYacht]

Here are the realistic options....

Re-sign
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2580913.png
Dewayne Dedmon (Spurs, 7'0, 245lbs)
17.3MP, 5.2pts, 6.4reb, 0.8blk, 16.2PER, .195 WS/48, 98DRtg

Sign
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3452.png&w=350&h=254
Javale McGee (Warriors, 7'0, 270lbs)
9.3MP, 5.8pts, 3.0reb, 0.8blk, 23.9PER, .209 WS/48, 101DRtg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/1713.png&w=350&h=254
Nene (Rockets, 6'11, 250lbs)
17.8MP, 8.9pts, 4.2reb, 0.6blk, 18.7PER, .167 WS/48, 107DRtg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3986.png&w=350&h=254
Taj Gibson (Thunder, 6'9, 220lbs)
26.0MP, 11.0pts, 6.4reb, 0.8blk, 15.1PER, .094 WS/48, 109DRtg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2326015.png&w=350&h=254
Willie Reed (Heat, 6'10, 220lbs)
14.6MP, 5.2pts, 4.6reb, 0.7blk, 17.0PER, .167 WS/48, 105DRtg

Trade For
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2993370.png&w=350&h=254
Richaun Holmes (Sixers, 6'10, 245lbs)
19.8MP, 9.4pts, 5.2reb, 0.9blk, 19.0PER, .159 WS/48, 107DRtg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2581180.png&w=350&h=254
Shawn Long (Sixers, 6'9, 255lbs)
12.5MP, 8.2pts, 4.1reb, 0.5blk, 25.3PER, .224 WS/48, 106DRtg

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3242.png&w=350&h=254
Brandan Wright (Grizzlies, 6'10, 210lbs)
15.1MP, 7.0pts, 2.8reb, 0.6blk, 19.9PER, .190 WS/48, 108DRtg

[TheGreatYacht]

I believe each one of those players would get better defensively playing for the Spurs, tbh..

2015 Dedmon's DRtg - 104
2016 Dedmon's DRtg - 104
2017 Dedmon's DRtg - 98

2015 Dedmon's DBPM - 0.3
2016 Dedmon's DBPM - 1.3
2017 Dedmon's DBPM - 3.2

If I had to pick... I'd trade for Richaun Holmes. The Sixers gave up Nerlens Noel for Justin Anderson and a second round pick. Holmes would be rather cheap.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hope Pop pulls the plug on this failed experiment early in the first round.....

[Play Boban]

Hope Pop pulls the plug on this failed experiment early in the first round.....
:bobo Deadman is trash.

[Hoops Czar]

He'll get Festus Ezeli money in the offseason. I won't be missing him.

[TheGreatYacht]

:bobo Deadman is trash.
Meanwhile Boban drops another double double (14pts, 11reb) off the bench tonight

[MaNu4Tres]

He has no rhythm or timing with the starting guards or wings in PnRs. Hes contantly rolling too quickly, Aldridge is guilty of this too. Both need to be more patient when rolling to make sure the spacing and timing is in cohesion.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Here are the realistic options....

...

Trade For


Can't trade him.

[cd021]

He'll get Festus Ezeli money in the offseason. I won't be missing him.

For $7.3 million, he'd absolutely be back. Mid level exception is supposed to be $8.5 million.

[cd021]

Hope Pop pulls the plug on this failed experiment early in the first round.....

The teams offensive is pretty bad but the defense is very good. If the Spurs make it the WCF, they should definitely consider starting Bertans or Anderson

[jermaine]

I like Dedmon, but even in 2k I go with Lee at the 5 an Bertans at the 4...

[TheGreatYacht]

Can't trade him.
Too bad I wasn't talking about trading him.

[Play Boban]

Meanwhile Boban drops another double double (14pts, 11reb) off the bench tonight
:wow

[SAGirl]

He has been bad to end the season.
He's been fumbling the ball a lot, getting blocked at the rim making bad decisions, TO, and his defense has suffered too.

We shall see, I wish him the best, but I didn't like how he ended the season for the most part.

[Ice009]

Yep. I'm not on the pay him bandwagon anymore. I'm not even sure if I would want to pay him much more than his current contract. He really has shit the bed to end the regular season.

I hope he's better in the playoffs than the shit he showed at the end of the regular season.

[Play Boban]

Deadman is trash.

[Play Boban]

Yep. I'm not on the pay him bandwagon anymore. I'm not even sure if I would want to pay him much more than his current contract. He really has shit the bed to end the regular season.

I hope he's better in the playoffs than the shit he showed at the end of the regular season.
I wouldn't pay him a cent. He's not worth a penny and in fact subtracts value from the team.

[TheGreatYacht]

Can't believe PATFO chose this bum over Javale McGoat smdh

[BillMc]

I find it strange that the mod closed the "What does Dedmon do?" thread, which is a valid question, yet we leave open all these ridiculous attacks on Parker that prop up every hour.

[TheGreatYacht]

I find it strange that the mod closed the "What does Dedmon do?" thread, which is a valid question, yet we leave open all these ridiculous attacks on Parker that prop up every hour.
:wow BillMc

[dabom]

I find it strange that the mod closed the "What does Dedmon do?" thread, which is a valid question, yet we leave open all these ridiculous attacks on Parker that prop up every hour.

The mods are porker fluffers. They close like 10 porker threads and leave up all the other garbo and then maybe close one manu thread.

[MaNu4Tres]

He's lost some confidence and the timing in PnRs isn't there after with TP and Kawhi. He just needs to relax and focus on the defensive end/ boards and be more patient with his rolls to the basket.

[TD 21]

Just like you knew Ginobili would inevitably start once their backs were up against the wall, you know Gasol will too.

The Grizzlies are so mediocre, that they can probably afford to do their customary throw the first 6 minutes in the garbage and have it not really matter, but the margin for error will be slim against the Rockets and if/when, non existent against the Warriors.

Ideally, they'd like to limit the amount of time Gasol has to spend defending the Harden and Curry pick-and-rolls, but I don't think they're going to have that luxury.

[apalisoc_9]

Just like you knew Ginobili would inevitably start once their backs were up against the wall, you know Gasol will too.

The Grizzlies are so mediocre, that they can probably afford to do their customary throw the first 6 minutes in the garbage and have it not really matter, but the margin for error will be slim against the Rockets and if/when, non existent against the Warriors.

Ideally, they'd like to limit the amount of time Gasol has to spend defending the Harden and Curry pick-and-rolls, but I don't think they're going to have that luxury.

I doubt Ginobili ever starts considering Green plays ahead of him. It's not like it's customary for Pop to start Ginobili over Green in Desperate situations. Gasol starting Against houston or GSW is certainly a possibility though.

I just think Dedman needs to understand spacing better. He's way too "excited" in any situation that might involve him making a basket. I've seen him a million times fail to pass out after a roll or an offensive rebound when he has 3 guys around him..way too excited etc.

Need to focus on D and Offensive Rebounds...and just re focus.

[DPG21920]

I doubt Ginobili ever starts considering Green plays ahead of him. It's not like it's customary for Pop to start Ginobili over Green in Desperate situations. Gasol starting Against houston or GSW is certainly a possibility though.

I just think Dedman needs to understand spacing better. He's way too "excited" in any situation that might involve him making a basket. I've seen him a million times fail to pass out after a roll or an offensive rebound when he has 3 guys around him..way too excited etc.

Need to focus on D and Offensive Rebounds...and just re focus.

It's difficult when you are now on a winning team and you are expected to be every day mentally sharp. In addition to that, Spurs are pretty complex and he's staring at his first major pay day. You can see why he would be distracted.

[TD 21]

I doubt Ginobili ever starts considering Green plays ahead of him. It's not like it's customary for Pop to start Ginobili over Green in Desperate situations.

You misunderstood me. I meant back in the day, which is why I said it in the past tense. It used to be Pop's go to move, including one time for Green (games 5 and 6 of the '12 WCF).

[BackHome]

Man people forget how hard it is for bigs to get any playing time on our team.

[TheGreatYacht]

Can't believe PATFO chose this bum over Javale McGoat smdh
McGee is averaging 10 points, 5 rebounds, and 3 blocks in only 10 minutes a game....

Deadman is averaging 1 point, 6 rebounds, and 1 block in 14 minutes a game

[midnightpulp]

TheDeadman

[TheGreatYacht]

Darkskin Ayres.

Get this god damn bum off the team

[Play Boban]

Play Bertrans over this worthless scrub tbh. He's the worst player on the team by far and he's in the starting lineup. SMH.

[HarlemHeat37]

Dedmon didn't do anything wrong, tbh, he's had a great season, all things considered(top 3 rim protector in the NBA)..impossible to play basketball when you get 8 minutes per game, it's pretty sad..

Just another name to add to the long list of inexperienced players that aren't permitted to play through mistakes and get benched in favor of washed-up, experienced vets during the Pop regime(long list, from early Splitter to last year's Boban)..

[ViceCity86]

Can't believe PATFO chose this bum over Javale McGoat smdh

McGee is much better.

[TheGreatYacht]

McGee is much better.
Agreed. With Deadman's 2pts today, he equaled his total points from Game 1 & 2

[HarlemHeat37]

McGee is much better.

Warriors wanted Dedmon ahead of McGee:lol he would look great there with Kerr(who lets his inexperienced players play through mistakes) and the best system in the NBA(with Curry and Draymond creating)..

[objective]

Dedmon didn't do anything wrong, tbh, he's had a great season, all things considered(top 3 rim protector in the NBA)..impossible to play basketball when you get 8 minutes per game, it's pretty sad..

Just another name to add to the long list of inexperienced players that aren't permitted to play through mistakes and get benched in favor of washed-up, experienced vets during the Pop regime(long list, from early Splitter to last year's Boban)..

difference here is that Dedmon has been given opportunities for almost the whole season. He's had much more of a chance to make an impact than Splitter, Hill, or Boban.

But better Dedmon on the court than Lee.

[GSH]

Dedmon didn't do anything wrong, tbh


Dedmon's second foul was just damned stupid. He and Gasol got tangled up, and he trailed an arm behind and whacked Gasol in the head. It was obvious, and there was zero doubt that it was on purpose. It's almost a rule among NBA coaches that when a guy picks up two fouls that quickly in the first quarter, he goes to the bench. Gasol and Randolph were playing hard tonight, and the Spurs really needed Dedmon's size in the middle.

So, yeah, he did something wrong. When you already have one early foul, you just have to get up the floor in that situation. Him being stupid fucked up the rotations for the rest of the night. Well... Pop did his share. But Dedmon played his own part in it.

[dabom]

Pau instead of dedmon. :lmao

[HarlemHeat37]

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Predictably, the best front office in the NBA is high on Dedmon(as they were last off-season, too, but he stupidly chose the Spurs:lol ), tbh..he'll give them a significant defensive upgrade on a reasonable deal, and unlike Pop, Kerr doesn't give a shit about the personalities of his players, as long as they can play(Draymond, Matt Barnes, etc)..

They don't need Zaza anymore..he did his job by taking out their biggest threat(which was the reason they brought him in), but now he has a target on his back..I miss when the Spurs had the best front office, tbh..

[TimDunkem]

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Predictably, the best front office in the NBA is high on Dedmon(as they were last off-season, too, but he stupidly chose the Spurs:lol ), tbh..he'll give them a significant defensive upgrade on a reasonable deal, and unlike Pop, Kerr doesn't give a shit about the personalities of his players, as long as they can play(Draymond, Matt Barnes, etc)..
B-b-b-but ST says he's Elson 2.0! :cry

He's definitely an upgrade for them. For him, he gets paid, showcases himself on the best team in the league as the starting center, and gets a free ring. Good for him. He deserves it after the BS he had to go through last season.

[Poolboy5623]

Yuck...Dedmon on the Warriors will not be fun

[TheGreatYacht]

Guy sucks :lol Also says a lot of about his FA value when the Warriors who have their franchise players to re-sign, think they can afford this scrub

[ducks]

Wonder if Demond will do a Sim and sign a 2 year deal and get big $

[Nathan89]

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Predictably, the best front office in the NBA is high on Dedmon(as they were last off-season, too, but he stupidly chose the Spurs:lol ), tbh..he'll give them a significant defensive upgrade on a reasonable deal, and unlike Pop, Kerr doesn't give a shit about the personalities of his players, as long as they can play(Draymond, Matt Barnes, etc)..

They don't need Zaza anymore..he did his job by taking out their biggest threat(which was the reason they brought him in), but now he has a target on his back..I miss when the Spurs had the best front office, tbh..

Doesn't seem like the best time for this shtick when discussing a player that both FOs went after and only one of them was able to convince to come tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dedmon is a good weakside rim protector and in transition because of his wheels but he was a mediocre post defender and fouled a lot on the perimeter.

On offense once they started looking for the oop and cutting him off he was a black hole outside of the occasional putback. He could not put the ball on the floor, pass , or shoot and ended up a huge liability on offense and limited on defense.

Meanwhile the mensas on this board wonder where the high low game went.

[Leetonidas]

B-b-b-but ST says he's Elson 2.0! :cry

He's definitely an upgrade for them. For him, he gets paid, showcases himself on the best team in the league as the starting center, and gets a free ring. Good for him. He deserves it after the BS he had to go through last season.
Lol. He is Elson 2.0. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be an upgrade over Zaza for them. And he's not staying in SA either way so no point in crying about it tbh. I'm just just hoping someone like Brooklyn or Sacramento offers him 15 million a season

[Joseph Kony]

GS would be better of keeping McGee and starting him if the money is the same, he is a better player than Dedmon imo. Dedmon had a decent year in SA but tbh he wasn't anything special, Spurfan is just enamored with him because :wow omgz sick dunkz! :wow and they arent used to that. he was a fouling machine, constantly out of position, and couldnt rebound that well. he also had shitty hands and bobbled a lot of passes/lobs.

Anyone will look in GS surrounded by the talent they have though. Any athletic shot blocking C is going to be valuable to them, but they are at their best running a small lineup anyway