2.5 million votes and counting

[boutons_deux]

Nate Silver: Clinton Would’ve ‘Almost Certainly’ Become President If Not for Comey’s Letter

✔@NateSilver538 (https://twitter.com/NateSilver538)

Comey had a large, measurable impact on the race. Harder to say with Russia/Wikileaks because it was drip-drip-drip.

(https://twitter.com/NateSilver538)✔ (https://twitter.com/NateSilver538)

There's more evidence, too: Late-deciding voters broke strongly against Clinton in swing states, enough to cost her MI/WI/PA.
10:32 AM - 11 Dec 2016 (https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/807986531243819008)


http://www.mediaite.com/online/nate-silver-clinton-wouldve-almost-certainly-become-president-if-not-for-comeys-letter/Nate Silver
(https://twitter.com/NateSilver538)
Late deciders? :lol After a campaign that lasted over a year, "late deciders"? :lol

goddam, Americans are fucking stupid, Americans who voted for Trash are beyond fucking stupid.

[Thread]

^^^Oh, Comey all ye faithful, joyful & triumphant, Comey, oh, Comey to elevators dipped in gold.

[Th'Pusher]

^^^Oh, Comey all ye faithful, joyful & triumphant, Comey, oh, Comey to elevators dipped in gold.

Funny right up until the elevators dipped in gold.

[angrydude]

And yet Hillary Clinton will never be President

[Th'Pusher]

And yet Hillary Clinton will never be President

Nobody is really arguing she will be at this point.

[Thread]

By MARC LEVY

49 minutes ago


Politics

US judge rejects Green Party's Pennsylvania recount case



A federal judge on Monday issued a stinging rejection of a Green Party-backed request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania's presidential election, won by Republican Donald Trump, and scan some counties' election systems for signs of hacking.]]]

https://www.apnews.com/322db08ce6eb49fb910d5a84de3cccb8/US-judge-rejects-Green-Party's-Pennsylvania-recount-case

Look at me, I'm dancin'!!!

[Clipper Nation]

Landslide Lie Debunked: Trump Got .35% More Popular Vote Than 1988 Loser Michael Dukakis

Conservative CNN contributor and senior editor at The Atlantic David Frum reminded Trump and his supporters that actually, in spite of their claims to have a mandate,

the people "didn't speak" because "Donald Trump won 0.35 points more of the popular vote than Michael Dukakis in 1988."

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/11/landslide-lie-debunked-trump-35-popular-vote-1988-loser-michael-dukakis.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

:lol



Trump won by 74.

[boutons_deux]

Trump won by 74.

Trash's win in electoral votes puts him in the bottom quintile of EC winners. iow, he won by a tiny margin.

[Clipper Nation]

Trash's win in electoral votes puts him in the bottom quintile of EC winners. iow, he won by a tiny margin.
Trump won. Cankles lost. Deal with it.

[Th'Pusher]

Trump won. Cankles lost. Deal with it.

He and his surrogates use his "landslide" victory as a case for a mandate. His win was not a landslide electorally and he lost the popular vote.

[Thread]

Stein labeled [irrational].

[[["Dr. Stein has repeatedly stated that she has sought a Pennsylvania recount to ensure that every vote counts," Diamond wrote. "Granting her later than last-minute request for relief, however, could well ensure that no Pennsylvania vote counts. Such a result would be both outrageous and completely unnecessary; as I have found, suspicion of a 'hacked' Pennsylvania election borders on the irrational."]]]

[Clipper Nation]

He and his surrogates use his "landslide" victory as a case for a mandate. His win was not a landslide electorally and he lost the popular vote.

It's hard to argue that the Republicans don't have a mandate when the Democrats now hold their fewest seats in political office since Reconstruction. The Dems got totally wiped out all over the map. Even in diehard blue states, "progressive" ballot items like carbon taxes and single-payer healthcare failed miserably.

[Thread]

It's hard to argue that the Republicans don't have a mandate when the Democrats now hold their fewest seats in political office since Reconstruction. The Dems got totally wiped out all over the map. Even in diehard blue states, "progressive" ballot items like carbon taxes and single-payer healthcare failed miserably.

CN

[boutons_deux]

It's hard to argue that the Republicans don't have a mandate when the Democrats now hold their fewest seats in political office since Reconstruction. The Dems got totally wiped out all over the map. Even in diehard blue states, "progressive" ballot items like carbon taxes and single-payer healthcare failed miserably.

Mandate or no mandate, Trash, his cabinet, the ESTABLISHMENT Repugs will fuck up Trash's voters real good, and ASAP.

And that's just domestic fuckups

[Thread]

Completed Wisconsin recount widens Donald Trump's lead by 571 votes

[Thread]

Wisconsin, Pennsylvania certify Trump wins, ends Stein's recount pushhttp://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/141231144627-eric-bradner-small-11.jpg
(http://www.cnn.com/profiles/eric-bradner)By Eric Bradner (http://www.cnn.com/profiles/eric-bradner), CNN
Updated 4:55 PM ET, Mon December 12, 2016

[Th'Pusher]

Completed Wisconsin recount widens Donald Trump's lead by 571 votes

He just needs to find another 2,699,429 votes to catch up in the popular vote!

[Thread]

He just needs to find another 2,699,429 votes to catch up in the popular vote!

Where he really fucked you is here in Arizona. You thought having Soros target Arpaio would egg on the Mexicans to the polls. Once there they'd ride Arpaio out on a rail---and whilst they were at it, they'd punch the card for Hillary.

Media would not call AZ. for hours into Wednesday waiting for a treasure trove of Wet votes to come in.

Hey, sweetheart, you'll grow old, gray, and you will die waiting for that trove.

ha, ha.

[DMC]

He just needs to find another 2,699,429 votes to catch up in the popular vote!

I'm sure he's put that as his 1st priority as POTUS. "Gotta catch the loser in the popular vote"

[z0sa]

Wisconsin, Pennsylvania certify Trump wins, ends Stein's recount pushhttp://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/141231144627-eric-bradner-small-11.jpg
(http://www.cnn.com/profiles/eric-bradner)By Eric Bradner (http://www.cnn.com/profiles/eric-bradner), CNN
Updated 4:55 PM ET, Mon December 12, 2016



Lol blue wall.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

Jill (((Stein))) says thanks for the shekels goyim

http://i.imgur.com/UtKVpcv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JNIeph0.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

He just needs to find another 2,699,429 votes to catch up in the popular vote!
Trump won the only votes that matter.

[rmt]

$6.5 million of good money wasted on this futile recount - lots of Trump haters (or maybe Hillary lovers - but I don't think so) out there.

[Reck]

$6.5 million of good money wasted on this futile recount - lots of Trump haters (or maybe Hillary lovers - but I don't think so) out there.

Most of that money came from big donors. No way was this from random people cheaping in. Less than a day she already had like 2 millions.

[Thread]

Most of that money came from big donors. No way was this from random people cheaping in. Less than a day she already had like 2 millions.

Exactly. The "Soros" of the world. But, of course Media never called her on it. Nary a peep. They/"You" just waited. There was no need to track it thru CNN/MSNBC. The end was assured, only the matter was in doubt. So, Media backed away so as not to get hit with the shit when it failed. If it succeeded they'd a swooped in like locust and busted "our" hump & "our" Trump.

Not a word tonite on CNN as to the 571 votes picked up by Trump in Wisconsin. No, there just working this Russia business non fucking stop. And it's the same here as it was with the Stein business. The end game this time? Finding a link twixt Trump & Putin. They won't say that aloud because if it doesn't work out they're sitting there with their dick in their hand. But, make no mistake, this launched quest is for Trump's collusion with Russia in order to gain the POTUS. If they can establish that link then it's [Watergate] all over again.

Is it there? I wouldn't put my last dollar, or, my first on the table that it is not.

[Clipper Nation]

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/vote-audit/95358702/) by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

:cry "But, but, muh popular vote!" :cry

If it wasn't for fraud and illegals voting, Trump would have won the popular vote too.

[spurraider21]

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/vote-audit/95358702/) by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

:cry "But, but, muh popular vote!" :cry

If it wasn't for fraud and illegals voting, Trump would have won the popular vote too.your evidence for this claim is pizzagate level stuff. good job

[RandomGuy]

Trump won the only votes that matter.

80,000 people in three states, mattered more than the 2,700,000 that voted the other way.

If this had gone the other way, you would be screaming bloody murder.

[RandomGuy]

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/vote-audit/95358702/) by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

:cry "But, but, muh popular vote!" :cry

If it wasn't for fraud and illegals voting, Trump would have won the popular vote too.

Actually most illegals voted for Trump.

[Clipper Nation]

80,000 people in three states, mattered more than the 2,700,000 that voted the other way.

If this had gone the other way, you would be screaming bloody murder.

No I wouldn't, because unlike the left, I understand how the electoral system works in this country.

The Dems have had the state with the most electoral votes (California) on lock for decades since Reagan's amnesty betrayal, and they've had the state with the third-most electoral votes (New York) on lock forever. They start every election with an 84-38 head start in the three biggest states. And yet you don't see me complaining endlessly about that.

[boutons_deux]

No I wouldn't, because unlike the left, I understand how the electoral system works in this country.

The Dems have had the state with the most electoral votes (California) on lock for decades since Reagan's amnesty betrayal, and they've had the state with the third-most electoral votes (New York) on lock forever. They start every election with an 84-38 head start in the three biggest states. And yet you don't see me complaining endlessly about that.

Has CA gerrymandered viciously, has CA disenfranchised Repugs?

CA has one Senator per 19M, while some red states have one Senator per a few 100K. Tyranny of the minority.

[RandomGuy]

No I wouldn't,

Bullshit.

I hate it when people lie to me so blatantly.
It's fine if you want to lie to yourself about it, but don't ask me to buy it.

[Clipper Nation]

Burqa Bou's ignorance is the textbook example of why we should have never stopped teaching civics in this country. There's a reason why Senate seats are apportioned the way they are. The Senate has always been intended to serve as the voice of the states, providing a necessary check and balance to the voice of the people through the House. That's why Senate seats are distributed evenly among the states while House seats are distributed by population.

[vy65]

Is there actually a defense to still having the electoral college that isn't completely laughable?

[CosmicCowboy]

Is there actually a defense to still having the electoral college that isn't completely laughable?

Uh..yeah. Wouldn't be a United STATES without it. You want to do away with the Senate too while you are at it? After all Wyoming's vote counts the same as California in there....same principle...

[vy65]

Uh..yeah. Wouldn't be a United STATES without it. You want to do away with the Senate too while you are at it? After all Wyoming's vote counts the same as California in there....same principle...

The states lost. They lost the civil war. They lost with the 14th amendment. They lost with the new deal. They lost with the civil rights-era cases that expanded the commerce clause. To think that we're still a republic the way we were in the 1780s is lunacy.

And that says nothing about the profoundly disenfranching effect the Electoral college has.

[boutons_deux]

Uh..yeah. Wouldn't be a United STATES without it. You want to do away with the Senate too while you are at it? After all Wyoming's vote counts the same as California in there....same principle...

doing away with the anti-proportional Senate's extreme imbalance of power favoring rural states is a great idea. CA Senator represents 19M people, rural state Senator represents a few 100K.

the problem is that USA is totally constipated and incapable of change, primarily because the VRWC (white males) has abused govt and defends its abuse by buying judges and politicians.

[vy65]

Wyoming: 1 electoral vote per 194,717 people

California: 1 electoral vote per 705,454 people

[boutons_deux]

Wyoming: 1 electoral vote per 194,717 people

California: 1 electoral vote per 705,454 people

that's only important every 4 years. what's MUCH WORSE is excessive legislative power every year:

CA 19.0 M / senator

WY 0000.3 M / senator

[Clipper Nation]

If you guys want the Senate to be exactly the same as the House, why bother even having a bicameral legislature? Might as well either merge the two or fold the Senate entirely.

[vy65]

If you guys want the Senate to be exactly the same as the House, why bother even having a bicameral legislature? Might as well either merge the two or fold the Senate entirely.

I'd be totally fine with that. I don't really see the purpose bicameralism serves today.

[boutons_deux]

If you guys want the Senate to be exactly the same as the House, why bother even having a bicameral legislature?

goddam, you're stupid

why have a horribly disproportional Senate?

That was a way to get rural regions to become states and join the Union in the 19th century.

Now they run the show.

It's fucked up, and VRWC is using it to fuckup America to VRWC's enrichment.

[Clipper Nation]

I'd be totally fine with that. I don't really see the purpose bicameralism serves today.

The idea, at least in America and other countries with similar systems, is to give the people a voice while also allowing for second thoughts and more deliberation.

[boutons_deux]

The idea, at least in America and other countries with similar systems, is to give the people a voice while also allowing for second thoughts and more deliberation.

Repugs having second thoughts are primaried and purged.

Any evidence of Senate Repugs recently given to second thoughts and more deliberation?

[vy65]

The idea, at least in America and other countries with similar systems, is to give the people a voice while also allowing for second thoughts and more deliberation.

Eh, not with respect to the senate or the electoral college. Those institutions exist to give the states -- not the people -- a more direct voice in governance. I don't think it meant anything about being more diligent in policy making. Bicameralism for America meant the states and the people having equal say in governance. After 200 years of some pretty profound changes in government, law, and society, I don't see a point in giving the states a seat at the table.

[vy65]

Repugs having second thoughts are primaried and purged.

Any evidence of Senate Repugs recently given to second thoughts and more deliberation?

You really need to shut the fuck up. Grown ups are talking.

[boutons_deux]

You really need to shut the fuck up. Grown ups are talking.

you're the last one I'd expect to address the topic.

Repugs having second thoughts are primaried and purged.

Any evidence of Senate Repugs recently having second thoughts and more deliberation?

[Axl Rose]

Wyoming: 1 electoral vote per 194,717 people

California: 1 electoral vote per 705,454 people
Californians aren't people

[Spurminator]

Uh..yeah. Wouldn't be a United STATES without it. You want to do away with the Senate too while you are at it? After all Wyoming's vote counts the same as California in there....same principle...

But we still have the Senate. And the House. And State governments.

I'm not saying I'm in favor of eliminating the EC (though it does need to be rebalanced), I just don't really get the State argument for an individual Federal office.

[spurraider21]

yeah because having ted cruz stand for 20 hours and read Green Eggs and Ham in the name of states rights is really what this country needs

[spurraider21]

Uh..yeah. Wouldn't be a United STATES without it. You want to do away with the Senate too while you are at it? After all Wyoming's vote counts the same as California in there....same principle...might be the united states but its founded by "we the people"... food for thought

[RandomGuy]

Uh..yeah. Wouldn't be a United STATES without it. You want to do away with the Senate too while you are at it? After all Wyoming's vote counts the same as California in there....same principle...

You touch on an important point.

400,000 people in wyoming

3 electoral college votes

Value of vote in wyoming:
0.0000075 (3/400000)


Population of California:
38,800,000

Electors
55

Value of a vote in California:
0.00000142


0.0000075/0.00000142=5.290909091


A vote in Wyoming is worth 5.29 times that of a vote in California.

[boutons_deux]

A vote in Wyoming is worth 5.29 times that of a vote in California.


tiny, underpopulated, western state judges, politicians, are cheaper to buy, their populations less educated, less informed, more gullible.

[DarrinS]

You touch on an important point.

400,000 people in wyoming

3 electoral college votes

Value of vote in wyoming:
0.0000075 (3/400000)


Population of California:
38,800,000

Electors
55

Value of a vote in California:
0.00000142


0.0000075/0.00000142=5.290909091


A vote in Wyoming is worth 5.29 times that of a vote in California.


Representative republic thingy

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California

Democrats who are having trouble getting out of the first stage of grief — denial — aren't being helped by the fact that, now that all the votes are counted, Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote has topped 2.8 million, giving her a 48% share of the vote compared with Trumps 46%.

To those unschooled in how the United States selects presidents, this seems totally unfair. But look more closely at the numbers and you see that Clinton's advantage all but disappears.
As we noted in this space earlier (http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/outside-california-clinton-is-a-big-time-popular-vote-loser/), while Clinton's overall margin looks large and impressive, it is due to Clinton's huge margin of victory in one state — California — where she got a whopping 4.3 million more votes than Trump.
California is the only state, in fact, where Clinton's margin of victory was bigger than President Obama's in 2012 — 61.5% vs. Obama's 60%.


But California is the exception that proves the true genius of the Electoral College — which was designed to prevent regional candidates from dominating national elections.
In recent years, California has been turning into what amounts to a one-party state. Between 2008 and 2016, the number of Californian's who registered as Democrats climbed by 1.1 million, while the number of registered Republicans dropped by almost 400,000.


What's more, many Republicans in the state had nobody to vote for in November.
There were two Democrats — and zero Republicans — running to replace Sen. Barbara Boxer. There were no Republicans on the ballot for House seats in nine of California's congressional districts.
At the state level, six districts had no Republicans running for the state senate, and 16 districts had no Republicans running for state assembly seats.


Plus, since Republicans knew Clinton was going to win the state — and its entire 55 electoral votes — casting a ballot for Trump was virtually meaningless, since no matter what her margin of victory, Clinton was getting all 55 votes.
Is it any wonder then, that Trump got 11% fewer California votes than John McCain did in 2008? (Clinton got 6% more votes than Obama did eight years ago, but the number of registered Democrats in the state climbed by 13% over those years.)

If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes. And if California voted like every other Democratic state — where Clinton averaged 53.5% wins — Clinton and Trump end up in a virtual popular vote tie. (This was not the case in 2012. Obama beat Romney by 2 million votes that year, not counting California.)

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

[boutons_deux]

"If you take California out of the popular vote equation"

:lol

You Trash voters are gonna get so fucked. :lol

[Reck]

It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California

Democrats who are having trouble getting out of the first stage of grief — denial — aren't being helped by the fact that, now that all the votes are counted, Hillary Clinton's lead in the popular vote has topped 2.8 million, giving her a 48% share of the vote compared with Trumps 46%.

To those unschooled in how the United States selects presidents, this seems totally unfair. But look more closely at the numbers and you see that Clinton's advantage all but disappears.
As we noted in this space earlier (http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/outside-california-clinton-is-a-big-time-popular-vote-loser/), while Clinton's overall margin looks large and impressive, it is due to Clinton's huge margin of victory in one state — California — where she got a whopping 4.3 million more votes than Trump.
California is the only state, in fact, where Clinton's margin of victory was bigger than President Obama's in 2012 — 61.5% vs. Obama's 60%.


But California is the exception that proves the true genius of the Electoral College — which was designed to prevent regional candidates from dominating national elections.
In recent years, California has been turning into what amounts to a one-party state. Between 2008 and 2016, the number of Californian's who registered as Democrats climbed by 1.1 million, while the number of registered Republicans dropped by almost 400,000.


What's more, many Republicans in the state had nobody to vote for in November.
There were two Democrats — and zero Republicans — running to replace Sen. Barbara Boxer. There were no Republicans on the ballot for House seats in nine of California's congressional districts.
At the state level, six districts had no Republicans running for the state senate, and 16 districts had no Republicans running for state assembly seats.


Plus, since Republicans knew Clinton was going to win the state — and its entire 55 electoral votes — casting a ballot for Trump was virtually meaningless, since no matter what her margin of victory, Clinton was getting all 55 votes.
Is it any wonder then, that Trump got 11% fewer California votes than John McCain did in 2008? (Clinton got 6% more votes than Obama did eight years ago, but the number of registered Democrats in the state climbed by 13% over those years.)

If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes. And if California voted like every other Democratic state — where Clinton averaged 53.5% wins — Clinton and Trump end up in a virtual popular vote tie. (This was not the case in 2012. Obama beat Romney by 2 million votes that year, not counting California.)

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

What if we took out Texas. :wow:wow

What a dumb article.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What if we took out Texas. :wow:wow

What a dumb article.
Agreed on the last part of taking out California being dumb, but it does show the importance of the electoral college. California

"As we noted in this space earlier (http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/outside-california-clinton-is-a-big-time-popular-vote-loser/), while Clinton's overall margin looks large and impressive, it is due to Clinton's huge margin of victory in one state — California — where she got a whopping 4.3 million more votes than Trump"

[mavsfan1000]

You touch on an important point.

400,000 people in wyoming

3 electoral college votes

Value of vote in wyoming:
0.0000075 (3/400000)


Population of California:
38,800,000

Electors
55

Value of a vote in California:
0.00000142


0.0000075/0.00000142=5.290909091


A vote in Wyoming is worth 5.29 times that of a vote in California.
California sucks anyways.

[pgardn]

California sucks anyways.

Actually California, Texas, NY, and Florida are all quite lovely.

I will keep all of them.

[pgardn]

You touch on an important point.

400,000 people in wyoming

3 electoral college votes

Value of vote in wyoming:
0.0000075 (3/400000)


Population of California:
38,800,000

Electors
55

Value of a vote in California:
0.00000142


0.0000075/0.00000142=5.290909091


A vote in Wyoming is worth 5.29 times that of a vote in California.

I want a value for this election using the number of people who actually voted instead of total population.
I would like to see how close it is to your calculations. Yes sir, I can get lazy.

[mavsfan1000]

Actually California, Texas, NY, and Florida are all quite lovely.

I will keep all of them.
I meant the libtards there. They are the worst. Want to make this country socialistic.

[boutons_deux]

Landslide! :lol

Millions of fradulent voters! :lol

===================


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/796446851247591427/Ph5RQVjA_bigger.jpgKellyanne ConwayVerified account‏@KellyannePolls (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls)


Kellyanne Conway Retweeted CNN Politics

306. Landslide. Blowout. Historic.

=====================

Nate Silver – Verified account NateSilver538

Actually way below average for a winner's total:

1984—525 St Ronnie The Diseases, disaster
1980—489 St Ronnie The Diseases, disaster
1988—426 Pappy Bush, one term lose "it's the economy, stupid"
1996—379
1992—370
2008—365
2012—332
*2016—306* Repug
2004—286 Repug
2000—271 Repug

?https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/803351590342131712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[DMX7]

His popular vote margin of loss of 2.0+% also ranks among the greatest of all victories. :lol Historic alright!

[boutons_deux]

WATCH: Bill O’Reilly channels inner Afrikaner, complains that “the left wants power taken away from the white establishment”

"It sounds like he was defending apartheid" in talking about the "white establishment,"


http://media.salon.com/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-21-at-8.01.10-AM-620x412.png

“The left sees white privilege in America as an oppressive force that must be done away with,” O’Reilly said, without having any idea what he was actually saying.


Therefore, white working class voters must be marginalized and what better way to do that than center the voting power in the cities.

Very few commentators will tell you that the heart of liberalism in America today is based on race. (REPUGS PARTY OF RACISTS!)

It permeates almost every issue.

That white men have set up a system of oppression.

That system must be destroyed.

Bernie Sanders pedaled that to some extent Hillary Clinton did.

And the liberal media tries to sell that all day long.

So-called white privilege bad. Diversity good.

If you look at the voting patterns, it’s clear that the Democrats are heavily reliant on the minority vote. (KNITTERS!)

Also on the woman vote. (BITCHES ,HOs, pussies-for-grabbing!)

White men have largely abandoned the Democrats and the left believes it’s because of racism that they want to punish minorities, keep them down.

So that’s what’s really going on when you hear about the Electoral College and how unfair it allegedly is. Summing up, the left wants power taken away from the white establishment. They want a profound change in the way America is run. Taking voting power away from the white precincts is the quickest way to do that.


http://www.salon.com/2016/12/21/watch-bill-oreilly-channels-inner-afrikaner-complains-that-the-left-wants-power-taken-away-from-the-white-establishment/

So O'Reilly, "just a commentator", is propagandizing for White Male Nationalist Supremacy.

I would like an answer as to why so many of the nastiest fucking rightwing assholes are Catholics.

[Thread]

WATCH: Bill O’Reilly channels inner Afrikaner, complains that “the left wants power taken away from the white establishment”

"It sounds like he was defending apartheid" in talking about the "white establishment,"


http://media.salon.com/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-21-at-8.01.10-AM-620x412.png

“The left sees white privilege in America as an oppressive force that must be done away with,” O’Reilly said, without having any idea what he was actually saying.


Therefore, white working class voters must be marginalized and what better way to do that than center the voting power in the cities.

Very few commentators will tell you that the heart of liberalism in America today is based on race. (REPUGS PARTY OF RACISTS!)

It permeates almost every issue.

That white men have set up a system of oppression.

That system must be destroyed.

Bernie Sanders pedaled that to some extent Hillary Clinton did.

And the liberal media tries to sell that all day long.

So-called white privilege bad. Diversity good.

If you look at the voting patterns, it’s clear that the Democrats are heavily reliant on the minority vote. (KNITTERS!)

Also on the woman vote. (BITCHES ,HOs, pussies-for-grabbing!)

White men have largely abandoned the Democrats and the left believes it’s because of racism that they want to punish minorities, keep them down.

So that’s what’s really going on when you hear about the Electoral College and how unfair it allegedly is. Summing up, the left wants power taken away from the white establishment. They want a profound change in the way America is run. Taking voting power away from the white precincts is the quickest way to do that.


http://www.salon.com/2016/12/21/watch-bill-oreilly-channels-inner-afrikaner-complains-that-the-left-wants-power-taken-away-from-the-white-establishment/

So O'Reilly, "just a commentator", is propagandizing for White Male Nationalist Supremacy.

I would like an answer as to why so many of the nastiest fucking rightwing assholes are Catholics.

Bouts, sweetheart...they'll play hell gettin' it done.

[rmt]

Don't more Catholics lean Dem than Rep? That seems so strange given the abortion issue.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

[Spurminator]

Don't more Catholics lean Dem than Rep? That seems so strange given the abortion issue.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

Not so strange when you consider Catholicism is the dominant sect among Hispanics.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

[pgardn]

Don't more Catholics lean Dem than Rep? That seems so strange given the abortion issue.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

And maybe the abortion issue is quite vexing for them and they waffle on it. Just like our president elect.

[pgardn]

Bouts, sweetheart...they'll play hell gettin' it done.

Things will eventually change. The demographics demand it. You are hoping for way too much. But then again, you will probably be dead by the time this country has seen the inevitable shift that makes your white dreams nightmares.

This country is not a color, it's ideas.

[Thread]

Things will eventually change. The demographics demand it. You are hoping for way too much. But then again, you will probably be dead by the time this country has seen the inevitable shift that makes your white dreams nightmares.
This country is not a color, it's ideas.

Absolutely. "the greatest people who has ever trod this earth." will indeed culminate. I bore witness though to our race at it's zenith. And that will usher me "into the dust that is the always the end."

[CosmicCowboy]

Things will eventually change. The demographics demand it. You are hoping for way too much. But then again, you will probably be dead by the time this country has seen the inevitable shift that makes your white dreams nightmares.

This country is not a color, it's ideas.

this is true.

That's why it's so insulting of Democrats to assume that hispanics don't want good jobs, low taxes and conservative government and will simply vote Democratic for illegal immigration and government handouts.

It's liberal snobbery at it's finest.

[pgardn]

this is true.

That's why it's so insulting of Democrats to assume that hispanics don't want good jobs, low taxes and conservative government and will simply vote Democratic for illegal immigration and government handouts.

It's liberal snobbery at it's finest.

I did not know Democrats thought that way. I really thought they just expected votes because of people like Thread. And I have met Republicans like Thread who think they belong to an elite club.

[pgardn]

Absolutely. "the greatest people who has ever trod this earth." will indeed culminate. I bore witness though to our race at it's zenith. And that will usher me "into the dust that is the always the end."

So I guess Greece does not count.

[boutons_deux]

Don't more Catholics lean Dem than Rep? That seems so strange given the abortion issue.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

I'm talking about media, judicial, political Catholics being extreme right wing assholes. The list is long.

[Clipper Nation]

hiLLary cLinton

Three L's for each one she took this election.

:lol Boutards
:lol Liberals

[boutons_deux]

I did not know Democrats thought that way.

CosmicParasite is card-carrying member of Trash post-truth fantasy world, just makes up shit.

[Thread]

So I guess Greece does not count.

I don't believe I stuttered, pg.

[Thread]

this is true.

That's why it's so insulting of Democrats to assume that hispanics don't want good jobs, low taxes and conservative government and will simply vote Democratic for illegal immigration and government handouts.

It's liberal snobbery at it's finest.

CC

[RandomGuy]

Representative republic thingy

Eyup.

[illusioNtEk]

In order to keep balance... The tail must swing both ways.

[RandomGuy]

I want a value for this election using the number of people who actually voted instead of total population.
I would like to see how close it is to your calculations. Yes sir, I can get lazy.

3.02 in terms of actual votes cast.

[mavsfan1000]

They need to recount California and throw out all the illegals who voted. Easy way to deport illegals.

[rmt]

They need to recount California and throw out all the illegals who voted. Easy way to deport illegals.

California gets more electoral votes because of population whether legal or illegal.

[mavsfan1000]

California gets more electoral votes because of population whether legal or illegal.
Just saying. It would cut down the popular vote of Hillary and get rid of a big chunk of illegals. Trump has clearly enough electoral votes. Just tired of the lefties talk about the popular vote.

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm talking about media, judicial, political Catholics being extreme right wing assholes. The list is long.

I'd love to see that list

[RandomGuy]

They need to recount California and throw out all the illegals who voted. Easy way to deport illegals.

Sure. You pay for it.

I'll let you know where to send the check. :D

[RandomGuy]

Just saying. It would cut down the popular vote of Hillary and get rid of a big chunk of illegals. Trump has clearly enough electoral votes. Just tired of the lefties talk about the popular vote.

:violin

Better get used to it, because that is going to be a prime talking point for another four years.

[mavsfan1000]

:violin

Better get used to it, because that is going to be a prime talking point for another four years.
Prime excuses and not accepting defeat.

[rmt]

:violin

Better get used to it, because that is going to be a prime talking point for another four years.

They can talk all they want. It'll never get changed - only big population states like CA and NY would vote for that.

[Trainwreck2100]

They need to recount California and throw out all the illegals who voted. Easy way to deport illegals.

That's alright cause trump already said we were going to deport all of them anyway

[florige]

Just saying. It would cut down the popular vote of Hillary and get rid of a big chunk of illegals. Trump has clearly enough electoral votes. Just tired of the lefties talk about the popular vote.



Why is that? Your idol Trump was the one who said the electoral college was a scam. Had the roles been reversed I can guarantee Trump and his supporters would be crying foul if Trump had beaten Hillary by almost 3 million popular votes but lost the electoral college. After 8 years of Obama bashing you guys had better be ready to play defense for at least 4 years.

[CosmicCowboy]

You can kick and scream and throw tantrums all you want. Doesn't change a fucking thing.

[Winehole23]

The GOP threw tantrums for eight years and look where it got them. Anger and hate stuffed the lallot box and will again.

[pgardn]

I don't believe I stuttered, pg.

Well I guess the time one lives in is always the apex of civilization.
If you like to think your are special.

Odds are... it ain't and you aren't.

[pgardn]

3.02 in terms of actual votes cast.

Cool.
thnx

[Clipper Nation]

:violin

Better get used to it, because that is going to be a prime talking point for another four years.
Please do triple down on the excuses for the next four years. It will only make it easier for Republicans to keep winning.

[boutons_deux]

Dem AGs, following the example of Repug AGs, esp TX, of suing Obama, are planning to sue the living FUCK out of Trash, his cabinet goons, and their departments, to block EVERYTHING, to make the Trash presidency a total failure, which would be the best for America.

See how y'all like that Dem stinky ass.

[Thread]

Well I guess the time one lives in is always the apex of civilization.
If you like to think your are special.

Odds are... it ain't and you aren't.

Still the greatest birthright on the face of the earth.

[CosmicCowboy]

Dem AGs, following the example of Repug AGs, esp TX, of suing Obama, are planning to sue the living FUCK out of Trash, his cabinet goons, and their departments, to block EVERYTHING, to make the Trash presidency a total failure, which would be the best for America.

See how y'all like that Dem stinky ass.

:lmao

Thanks Boo. Keep hysterically melting down.

Makes me smile. It's a great way to start the day.

[boutons_deux]

Please do triple down on the excuses for the next four years. It will only make it easier for Republicans to keep winning.

Dems will sue Trash and his predatory, destructive mafia cabinet to block EVERYTHING.

Don The Con's white work class, having had the Dems save their financial asses and even lives, better vote Dem next time.

[florige]

The GOP threw tantrums for eight years and look where it got them. Anger and hate stuffed the lallot box and will again.


Well it worked it got them the WH and congress. Now conservatives want to question why liberals aren't on board with Trump when you had a Republican congress who said their whole goal was to make Obama a one-termer. Yeah I am sure liberals are eager to stand behind Donald Trump as their leader.

[spurraider21]

"For next year, I think I'm just going to harp on 'why we do we need two Dakotas'. Can we just start with that? There definitely should not be 4 Senators from the Dakota territory. If there's 2 Dakotas, we should have 15 fucking Californias."

:lol... usually not a fan of bill maher but that was funny

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

What is sad about the Dems is that at a time when they should be introspecting, they're looking to shift blame for their own failures, ensuring that the DNC establishment doesn't actually change. This election wasn't actually a referendum on Trump, it was a referendum on what passes for the modern representatives of the liberal left in America, the Democratic party.
They're blaming the loss on everything, from sexism of Bernie supporters to Russia to fake news to everyone who voted against them being stupid. The left finally got an actual populist that talked about actual real issues like trade deals, stopping monopolies and putting term limits on Congress, and what did the DNC do? They crushed him to continue the failed policies of the liberal establishment.

They have abandoned their core principles. What passes for "liberal" today in America has almost nothing to do with classic liberalism (individual rights, freedom of thought/speech...etc). The great liberal tradition that rejects regressive dogmatic ideologies and which is compassionate to the working class stiffs that build the country is now gone. The left-wing movement in this country, at least going back the last 20 years or so, hasn't really been one of left-wing economics or individualistic free thinking, or using government to improve the lives of the working and middle classes. What's passed for left-wing politics in this country is really just identity politics: promising to give various handouts to some identifiable minority group (blacks, women, illegal immigrants, lgbt...etc).
Democrats, you have completely and utterly lost touch with the common man, whose concerns used to be at the very center of the political left.

Today that electrician stringing up wires of homes in Wisconsin, that welder putting together steel plates in Pennsylvania, that man fixing an elevator in Ohio, the many men across the country with dirt under their nails from working with their hands....these aren't your people anymore.
Instead you are now the party of the gender studies graduate with manicured nails, lecturing others about the evil racist sexist America, telling the struggling white working class that they hold white privilege and therefore hold an eternal debt to all non-white people based purely on the color of their skin.
The DNC is the the party of those who go absolutely nuts when a Christian baker doesn't want to be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, yet instantly jumps in to defend insanely backwards ideologies like Islam when yet another Muslim mass murders innocent homosexuals.

It is the party of collusion with media to mislead the public, of corruption and saying nice empty platitudes that have been filtered through 5 focus groups as to not offend anyone while doing the very opposite of these platitudes.
It is the party of Black Lives Matter, the oppression Olympics, of 20 different gender pronouns, virtue signalling and all the noxious ideas like "social justice" that claim that all difference in outcome must be due to some etheral discrimination, and that places the collectivist forced equality of outcome over the rights of an individual.
It is the party of the smug air of moral superiority, of ivory tower attitudes holding contempt and instantly discounting the views of regular people that don't hold a degree studying Critical Theory or the works of Juddith Butler.

And what has this disconnect lead to? The following:

Republicans have won a majority in the House of Representatives, with 238 seats.
Republicans have won the majority in the Senate.
Republicans now hold 33 Governorships, with a gain of three seats on November 8.
Republicans control a record 68 of 98 state legislative chambers.
Republicans now hold more total state legislature seats, well over 4,100 of the 7,383, than they have since 1920

A former reality TV star with no government experience whatsoever won the White House.
President Trump will have one Supreme Court vacancy to fill immediately and could potentially add at least two more justices before his first term is finished.
The GOP now controls all levels of our government, it is the most powerful it has been in over 80 years according to Real Clear Politics and Washington Post.
Come the midterms in 2018, the electorate map looks really good for the GOP and they could easily win enough seats to pass the threshold needed for them to start changing the Constitution completely unopposed.
You could have prevented this. You could have kicked out the out of touch elitists and candidates that can't connect with the average person, you could have listened to the common man instead you treated them like utter garbage, with the insufferable arrogance of guilt tripping and shaming everyone who disagrees with your identity politics nonsense.

You made this bed.
And god damn do you deserve to now sleep in it.

[Winehole23]

we don't all live on reddit, Dirk.

[mavsfan1000]

What is sad about the Dems is that at a time when they should be introspecting, they're looking to shift blame for their own failures, ensuring that the DNC establishment doesn't actually change. This election wasn't actually a referendum on Trump, it was a referendum on what passes for the modern representatives of the liberal left in America, the Democratic party.
They're blaming the loss on everything, from sexism of Bernie supporters to Russia to fake news to everyone who voted against them being stupid. The left finally got an actual populist that talked about actual real issues like trade deals, stopping monopolies and putting term limits on Congress, and what did the DNC do? They crushed him to continue the failed policies of the liberal establishment.

They have abandoned their core principles. What passes for "liberal" today in America has almost nothing to do with classic liberalism (individual rights, freedom of thought/speech...etc). The great liberal tradition that rejects regressive dogmatic ideologies and which is compassionate to the working class stiffs that build the country is now gone. The left-wing movement in this country, at least going back the last 20 years or so, hasn't really been one of left-wing economics or individualistic free thinking, or using government to improve the lives of the working and middle classes. What's passed for left-wing politics in this country is really just identity politics: promising to give various handouts to some identifiable minority group (blacks, women, illegal immigrants, lgbt...etc).
Democrats, you have completely and utterly lost touch with the common man, whose concerns used to be at the very center of the political left.

Today that electrician stringing up wires of homes in Wisconsin, that welder putting together steel plates in Pennsylvania, that man fixing an elevator in Ohio, the many men across the country with dirt under their nails from working with their hands....these aren't your people anymore.
Instead you are now the party of the gender studies graduate with manicured nails, lecturing others about the evil racist sexist America, telling the struggling white working class that they hold white privilege and therefore hold an eternal debt to all non-white people based purely on the color of their skin.
The DNC is the the party of those who go absolutely nuts when a Christian baker doesn't want to be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, yet instantly jumps in to defend insanely backwards ideologies like Islam when yet another Muslim mass murders innocent homosexuals.

It is the party of collusion with media to mislead the public, of corruption and saying nice empty platitudes that have been filtered through 5 focus groups as to not offend anyone while doing the very opposite of these platitudes.
It is the party of Black Lives Matter, the oppression Olympics, of 20 different gender pronouns, virtue signalling and all the noxious ideas like "social justice" that claim that all difference in outcome must be due to some etheral discrimination, and that places the collectivist forced equality of outcome over the rights of an individual.
It is the party of the smug air of moral superiority, of ivory tower attitudes holding contempt and instantly discounting the views of regular people that don't hold a degree studying Critical Theory or the works of Juddith Butler.

And what has this disconnect lead to? The following:

Republicans have won a majority in the House of Representatives, with 238 seats.
Republicans have won the majority in the Senate.
Republicans now hold 33 Governorships, with a gain of three seats on November 8.
Republicans control a record 68 of 98 state legislative chambers.
Republicans now hold more total state legislature seats, well over 4,100 of the 7,383, than they have since 1920

A former reality TV star with no government experience whatsoever won the White House.
President Trump will have one Supreme Court vacancy to fill immediately and could potentially add at least two more justices before his first term is finished.
The GOP now controls all levels of our government, it is the most powerful it has been in over 80 years according to Real Clear Politics and Washington Post.
Come the midterms in 2018, the electorate map looks really good for the GOP and they could easily win enough seats to pass the threshold needed for them to start changing the Constitution completely unopposed.
You could have prevented this. You could have kicked out the out of touch elitists and candidates that can't connect with the average person, you could have listened to the common man instead you treated them like utter garbage, with the insufferable arrogance of guilt tripping and shaming everyone who disagrees with your identity politics nonsense.

You made this bed.
And god damn do you deserve to now sleep in it.
:bow:

[CosmicCowboy]

:bow:


Today that electrician stringing up wires of homes in Wisconsin, that welder putting together steel plates in Pennsylvania, that man fixing an elevator in Ohio, the many men across the country with dirt under their nails from working with their hands....these aren't your people anymore.

This is so true. I'm pretty sure every guy that works for me including the 20 somethings votes Republican. That's why I never believed that hispanics would block vote for Democrats over the immigration issue. To many are just hard working family guys with aspirations of success that don't buy into the Liberal democratic bullshit.

[boutons_deux]

"electrician stringing up wires of homes in Wisconsin, that welder putting together steel plates in Pennsylvania, that man fixing an elevator in Ohio, the many men across the country with dirt under their nails from working with their hands"

:lol :lol :lol :lol These are people CONNED by Trash. He won't do shit for them. Where does the Repug or Trash platform help these people? :lol :lol :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

"electrician stringing up wires of homes in Wisconsin, that welder putting together steel plates in Pennsylvania, that man fixing an elevator in Ohio, the many men across the country with dirt under their nails from working with their hands"

:lol :lol :lol :lol These are people CONNED by Trash. He won't do shit for them. Where does the Repug or Trash platform help these people? :lol :lol :lol




Boo, it's not about Trump. It's about rejecting the far left Democratic party and what it stands for now.

[boutons_deux]

Boo, it's not about Trump. It's about rejecting the far left Democratic party and what it stands for now.

I'd much rather have the Far Left than the Far Right. The entire Repug party is Far Right now. Watch them (continue to) screw everybody, or at best do nothing for anybody but BigCorp/VRWC/1% and above Trash himself. Crony capitalism at its most corrupt.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'd much rather have the Far Left than the Far Right. The entire Repug party is Far Right now. Watch them (continue to) screw everybody, or at best do nothing for anybody but BigCorp/VRWC/1% and above Trash himself. Crony capitalism at its most corrupt.

We understand you are left of even Sheila Jackson Lee and on the same intellectual level as well.


That's why it's so much fun laughing at your hourly meltdowns.

[boutons_deux]

We understand you are left of even Sheila Jackson Lee and on the same intellectual level as well.


That's why it's so much fun laughing at your hourly meltdowns.

what will the Far Right do for the country? do you every post substance, my little slapped bitch?

[Thread]

what will the Far Right do for the country? do you every post substance, my little slapped bitch?

You got "Bannoned," Bouts.

ha, ha.

[rmt]

I'd much rather have the Far Left than the Far Right. The entire Repug party is Far Right now. Watch them (continue to) screw everybody, or at best do nothing for anybody but BigCorp/VRWC/1% and above Trash himself. Crony capitalism at its most corrupt.

How can you say that after this election? The republicans chose Trump over all the conservatives and things are gonna go more his way. I think you might (secretly) like what Trump does - if you can ignore all the "ism"s. He is fiscally conservative (well, compared to the Dems) but socially neutral/left-center (don't think he really cares about govt and social issues). He's probably aghast at what govt is spending see the F-35? (never can remember what number).

[z0sa]

"The DNC is the the party of those who go absolutely nuts when a Christian baker doesn't want to be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, yet instantly jumps in to defend insanely backwards ideologies like [radical] Islam when yet another Muslim mass murders innocent homosexuals." - addition of radical mine

This is one I always think of when I analyze the flaws of today's democrats. It's way too much identity politics and double standards to ever hold up under objective scrutiny.

[spurraider21]

"The DNC is the the party of those who go absolutely nuts when a Christian baker doesn't want to be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, yet instantly jumps in to defend insanely backwards ideologies like [radical] Islam when yet another Muslim mass murders innocent homosexuals." - addition of radical mine

This is one I always think of when I analyze the flaws of today's democrats. It's way too much identity politics and double standards to ever hold up under objective scrutiny.
It's defending every group beyond straight white Christian males tbh

[boutons_deux]

How can you say that after this election? The republicans chose Trump over all the conservatives and things are gonna go more his way. I think you might (secretly) like what Trump does - if you can ignore all the "ism"s. He is fiscally conservative (well, compared to the Dems) but socially neutral/left-center (don't think he really cares about govt and social issues). He's probably aghast at what govt is spending see the F-35?

goddam, you're stupid.

Trash is a conservative, and extreme conservative in practice who will sign every bill the Congressional ESTABLISHMENT Repugs put on his desk.

Trash's Boeing and F-35 bullshit is pure made-for-TV propaganda. Both programs are huge Corporate Welfare socialism, transferring $Ts from taxpayers to BigCorp.

Mike Pence is extreme right wing LGBT hater, which is more important than Trash "sounding" (lying) like social moderate.

Congressional Repugs will not moderate their attacks on LGBTQ, their War on (poor) Women, and Trash will not stop them.

goddam, you're stupid.

[tlongII]

^You Lie!^

[TheSanityAnnex]

I knew boutons meltdown would be good, but I did not expect it to be this good. Trump isn't even in office yet and boutons has already made the top 5 all time greatest meltdowns list.

[boutons_deux]

I knew boutons meltdown would be good, but I did not expect it to be this good. Trump isn't even in office yet and boutons has already made the top 5 all time greatest meltdowns list.

You deplorables are ALWAYS wrong.

.. and try something more original that CosmicParasite's meltdown bullshit

[CosmicCowboy]

I knew boutons meltdown would be good, but I did not expect it to be this good. Trump isn't even in office yet and boutons has already made the top 5 all time greatest meltdowns list.

:lol this has made spurstalk incredibly satisfying. You don't have to like trump to enjoy watching boo lose his mind over the election.

[boutons_deux]

no meltdown, no lost mind, just bitch slapping you deplorable Trash fellators as he and his administration shape up to be nothing but textbook far right extremists on every single issue. For which, you assholes have nothing to say in his defense, nor in yours.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You deplorables are ALWAYS wrong.

.. and try something more original that CosmicParasite's meltdown bullshit
Pointing out your meltdown isn't exclusive to CC, the entire forum is witnessing your epic meltdown. I would pay someone good money to hack into your webcam and broadcast you feverishly hammering away at your keyboard for 14 hours of the day.

[Th'Pusher]

Pointing out your meltdown isn't exclusive to CC, the entire forum is witnessing your epic meltdown. I would pay someone good money to hack into your webcam and broadcast you feverishly hammering away at your keyboard for 14 hours of the day.

I see absolutely no difference in the tone or content of Boutons' posts pre and post election, tbh.

I don't get this meltdown claim whatsoever. That's just the way he posts.

[TeyshaBlue]

Perpetual manic-spam

[TheSanityAnnex]

I see absolutely no difference in the tone or content of Boutons' posts pre and post election, tbh.

I don't get this meltdown claim whatsoever. That's just the way he posts.Did you ever see him refer to women as he does now pre-election? The content hasn't changed as it's always been shit, but the volume of shit posts has reached a new level I didn't think possible.

[Clipper Nation]

I see absolutely no difference in the tone or content of Boutons' posts pre and post election, tbh.

I don't get this meltdown claim whatsoever. That's just the way he posts.
True. Every second of his life is spent in meltdown mode.

[z0sa]

It's defending every group beyond straight white Christian males tbh

And about one fifth of hispanics who are >2nd generation

[RandomGuy]

They can talk all they want. It'll never get changed - only big population states like CA and NY would vote for that.

True that.

Do you think that a candidate that lost the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes really has any kind of mandate to carry out his agenda? Should he be obligated somewhat to govern for all Americans and give some leeway to the policy preferences of the majority who voted otherwise?

[Winehole23]

having all three branches of government is far better than having an putative mandate from the people. leeway given to voters who believe different will be minimal -- why cater to losers?

[mavsfan1000]

Electoral Votes are all that matter.

[spurraider21]

Electoral Votes are all that matter.
Nobody is claiming clinton should be president right now because she won the popular vote

[mavsfan1000]

Nobody is claiming clinton should be president right now because she won the popular vote
Why are they bringing it up? It means nothing. Maybe a way to discredit Trump's win. Fuck their agenda. EC is here to stay.

[spurraider21]

Why are they bringing it up? It means nothing. Maybe a way to discredit Trump's win. Fuck their agenda. EC is here to stay.
It means something.

It just doesn't mean trump therefore isn't a legitimate president

[mavsfan1000]

It means something.

It just doesn't mean trump therefore isn't a legitimate president
It means there are a lot of retards/illegals in California.

[spurraider21]

It means there are a lot of retards/illegals in California.
Trump only won Penn and Ohio because of millions of illegal voters

See, I can make shit up too

[mavsfan1000]

Trump only won Penn and Ohio because of millions of illegal voters

See, I can make shit up too
Illegals hate Trump because he will send them back to Mexico and build a wall. Hillary wants globalization. I say fuck that. We dodged a bullet with her. But the people in California are too stupid to realize that. Just let them secede already.

[Chucho]

Trump only won Penn and Ohio because of millions of illegal voters

See, I can make shit up too

Except he is right. California is made up of retards and illegals and they set the precedent that enabled a cat like Trump to get elected. Remember that big meathead Rooskie that can't act that was elected by the retarded people of California had no problem electing a Republican Governor. American Sycophancy Ground Zero is right here in Los Angeles. Sycophants are retards and there is a shit load of wetbacks here illegally too.

Just remember when making stuff up, when you want to blame anyone for Trump's rise, blame the great retarded population here in California. The only thing that separated Trump from being Ross Perot 2.0 was American Sycophancy and their addiction to worshiping rich elitists because they are on TV. That is 100% of the reason people listened to him first and then realized he represented actual change from the last 16 years of the same person in office, regardless of how you feel about his proposals. It is indeed change from war mongering criminals who have been in charge this century and before.

[dbestpro]

Trump won 3084 counties. Hillary won 57.

[spurraider21]

Trump won 3084 counties. Hillary won 57.
:lmao

She won 57 counties in Georgia and Texas alone. You're a fool

[mavsfan1000]

Trump won 3084 counties. Hillary won 57.


I'm guessing those 57 counties would not be the safest places to live. Lol

[spurraider21]

I'm guessing those 57 counties would not be the safest places to live. Lol


:lmao

She won 57 counties in Georgia and Texas alone. You're a fool

[DMX7]

WOW, she walloped him! Almost 3 Million Votes More! :wow

[mavsfan1000]

http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/

[spurraider21]

http://www.snopes.com/trump-won-3084-of-3141-counties-clinton-won-57/
Very good. Showing that your 57 counties claim is bogus

[mavsfan1000]

Yeah more like 200. Still a landslide.

[Clipper Nation]

True that.

Do you think that a candidate that lost the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes really has any kind of mandate to carry out his agenda? Should he be obligated somewhat to govern for all Americans and give some leeway to the policy preferences of the majority who voted otherwise?
The Democrats haven't held this few seats in political office since Reconstruction. Trump absolutely has a mandate.

[spurraider21]

Yeah more like 200. Still a landslide.
I understood she won somewhere between 4 and 5 hundred. whatever the total is, tallying total numbers of counties is pretty pointless when their populations vary so greatly. I mean she won something like 8/32 counties in Oregon but won the state comfortably

Why should we look at Los Angeles County and Mendocino County in California and act like they have the same voice

[boutons_deux]

The Democrats haven't held this few seats in political office since Reconstruction. Trump absolutely has a mandate.

no mandate, but Repugs bogus mandate is paid for by BigDonor.

[boutons_deux]

At least 50 Donald Trump electors were illegally seated as Electoral College members

More evidence surfaces as calls mount to challenge congressional ratification of Electoral College vote

More than 50 Electoral College members who voted for Donald Trump were ineligible to serve as presidential electors because they did not live in the congressional districts they represented or held elective office in states legally barring dual officeholders.

That stunning finding is among the conclusions of an extensive 1,000-plus page legal briefing (https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=788otalK) prepared by a bipartisan nationwide legal team for members of Congress who are being urged to object to certifying the 2016 Electoral College results on Friday.

“Trump’s ascension to the presidency is completely illegitimate,” said Ryan Clayton of Americans Take Action (http://americanstakeaction.com/), who is promoting the effort. “It’s not just Russians hacking our democracy. It’s not just voter suppression at unprecedented levels. It is also [that] there are Republicans illegally casting ballots in the Electoral College, and in a sufficient number that the results of the Electoral College proceedings are illegitimate as well.”

“Republicans like to talk all the time about people voting illegally,” Clayton continued. “We have a list of a bunch of Republicans that allegedly voted illegally in the Electoral College. Pam Bondi is the attorney general of the state of Florida and the Florida Constitution says that you cannot hold two offices. And she holds the office of Attorney General and she holds the office of federal elector in the Electoral College. That is a violation of the law. That is a violation of the Constitution. And the vote that she cast in this election is illegal.”

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/05/at-least-50-donald-trump-electors-were-illegally-seated-as-electoral-college-members-report_partner/

That BASTARD Trash is an illegitimate President, yet again a total fraud.

[Chucho]

At least 50 Donald Trump electors were illegally seated as Electoral College members

More evidence surfaces as calls mount to challenge congressional ratification of Electoral College vote

More than 50 Electoral College members who voted for Donald Trump were ineligible to serve as presidential electors because they did not live in the congressional districts they represented or held elective office in states legally barring dual officeholders.

That stunning finding is among the conclusions of an extensive 1,000-plus page legal briefing (https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=788otalK) prepared by a bipartisan nationwide legal team for members of Congress who are being urged to object to certifying the 2016 Electoral College results on Friday.

“Trump’s ascension to the presidency is completely illegitimate,” said Ryan Clayton of Americans Take Action (http://americanstakeaction.com/), who is promoting the effort. “It’s not just Russians hacking our democracy. It’s not just voter suppression at unprecedented levels. It is also [that] there are Republicans illegally casting ballots in the Electoral College, and in a sufficient number that the results of the Electoral College proceedings are illegitimate as well.”

“Republicans like to talk all the time about people voting illegally,” Clayton continued. “We have a list of a bunch of Republicans that allegedly voted illegally in the Electoral College. Pam Bondi is the attorney general of the state of Florida and the Florida Constitution says that you cannot hold two offices. And she holds the office of Attorney General and she holds the office of federal elector in the Electoral College. That is a violation of the law. That is a violation of the Constitution. And the vote that she cast in this election is illegal.”

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/05/at-least-50-donald-trump-electors-were-illegally-seated-as-electoral-college-members-report_partner/

That BASTARD Trash is an illegitimate President, yet again a total fraud.






You crazy ass conspiracy nut. You need to go socialize, bruh. Vitamin C and fresh air will do wonders.

[boutons_deux]

You crazy ass conspiracy nut. You need to go socialize, bruh. Vitamin C and fresh air will do wonders.

G F Y, wetback

[Chucho]

G F Y, wetback

I'd tell you the same you delusional sociopath white slave master, but for someone as lonely as you, fucking yourself goes without saying.

[Thread]

At least 50 Donald Trump electors were illegally seated as Electoral College members

More evidence surfaces as calls mount to challenge congressional ratification of Electoral College vote

More than 50 Electoral College members who voted for Donald Trump were ineligible to serve as presidential electors because they did not live in the congressional districts they represented or held elective office in states legally barring dual officeholders.

That stunning finding is among the conclusions of an extensive 1,000-plus page legal briefing (https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=788otalK) prepared by a bipartisan nationwide legal team for members of Congress who are being urged to object to certifying the 2016 Electoral College results on Friday.

“Trump’s ascension to the presidency is completely illegitimate,” said Ryan Clayton of Americans Take Action (http://americanstakeaction.com/), who is promoting the effort. “It’s not just Russians hacking our democracy. It’s not just voter suppression at unprecedented levels. It is also [that] there are Republicans illegally casting ballots in the Electoral College, and in a sufficient number that the results of the Electoral College proceedings are illegitimate as well.”

“Republicans like to talk all the time about people voting illegally,” Clayton continued. “We have a list of a bunch of Republicans that allegedly voted illegally in the Electoral College. Pam Bondi is the attorney general of the state of Florida and the Florida Constitution says that you cannot hold two offices. And she holds the office of Attorney General and she holds the office of federal elector in the Electoral College. That is a violation of the law. That is a violation of the Constitution. And the vote that she cast in this election is illegal.”

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/05/at-least-50-donald-trump-electors-were-illegally-seated-as-electoral-college-members-report_partner/

That BASTARD Trash is an illegitimate President, yet again a total fraud.





Stings, don't it?

tee, hee.

[boutons_deux]

I'd tell you the same you delusional sociopath white slave master, but for someone as lonely as you, fucking yourself goes without saying.

weak shit, keep tryin...

[Reck]

Time to let it go boutons. Take solace in that Trump probably won't last a full term without possibly getting impeached for his shady dealings. lol

[Thread]

Time to let it go boutons. Take solace in that Trump probably won't last a full term without possibly getting impeached for his shady dealings. lol

Please, how is Bouts gonna let it go when Obama won't. He's paying rent to stay close. RENTAL MAN!!!

[Chucho]

Time to let it go boutons. Take solace in that Trump probably won't last a full term without possibly getting impeached for his shady dealings. lol

He'd be doing a "Bill Clinton", then?

[Chucho]

Please, how is Bouts gonna let it go when Obama won't. He's paying rent to stay close. RENTAL MAN!!!

Wait a minute...Obama is paying for it? Out of his own pocket? I call bullshit.

[Reck]

He'd be doing a "Bill Clinton", then?

Perhaps. But Billy was smart enough to keep most of his shady dealings on the down low. Trump uses twitter too much. Gives away the game worst than a prison snitch.

[spurraider21]

:lol flyover states
:lol "real america"

http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/redraw50.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

:lol flyover states
:lol "real america"

http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/redraw50.jpg

:lol redrawing the US to be something that it isn't seems to be an epidemic these days.

[mavsfan1000]

Lol Liberal Tears
https://youtu.be/bugQ7m_W93E

[RandomGuy]

Trump won 3084 counties. Hillary won 57.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/e/jev5090/gerrymanderpic.png

[RandomGuy]

Trump won 3084 counties. Hillary won 57.

http://kimcampion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gerrymander-2.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Trump won 3084 counties. Hillary won 57.

http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/North-Carolina-Gerrymandering.png

[RandomGuy]

http://election.princeton.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/gerrymandering-NYT-2015-Marsh-chart.jpg

[RandomGuy]

http://www.caymanreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Gerrymanderinng-Cartoon.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Gerrymanders, Part 1: Busting the both-sides-do-it myth

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-1-busting-the-both-sides-do-it-myth/

[RandomGuy]

https://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/courts/reports/2013/01/24/50459/grand-theft-election/

Grand Theft Election

How Republicans Plan to Rig the Electoral College and Steal the White House
By Ian Millhiser Posted on January 24, 2013

[RandomGuy]

Sorry, North Carolina, But You Don’t Really Qualify as a Democracy Anymore


A group of experts that rates the integrity of elections around the world say North Carolina can’t really be considered a democracy anymore. The state where the outgoing governor signed a law stripping his successor of certain powers scored 58/100 in the 2016 election, according to the Electoral Integrity Project, a joint effort between Harvard University and the University of Sydney. That places the state alongside the likes of Cuba, Indonesia and Sierra Leone.

[Mitch]

Sorry, North Carolina, But You Don’t Really Qualify as a Democracy Anymore

Gargling the balls of universities, eh? Make sure you don't miss out on this activity, you'll fit right in
http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/university-gives-kids-juice-boxes-legos-to-deal-with-trump-inauguration

[boutons_deux]

Trash is ILLEGITIMATE

Elected by Assange, Comey, Kobach, redmap, SCOTUS gutting VRA

[CosmicCowboy]

Boo Hoo Boo.

President Donald J. Trump

[TeyshaBlue]

Trash is ILLEGITIMATE

Elected by Assange, Comey, Kobach, redmap, SCOTUS gutting VRA

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/Ohhh.gif (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/Ohhh.gif.html)

[SpursforSix]

Trash is ILLEGITIMATE

Elected by Assange, Comey, Kobach, redmap, SCOTUS gutting VRA

Oooh, you forgot BigPutin.

[101A]

https://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/courts/reports/2013/01/24/50459/grand-theft-election/

Grand Theft Election

How Republicans Plan to Rig the Electoral College and Steal the White House
By Ian Millhiser Posted on January 24, 2013

...but the plan didn't happen. What is your point?

[boutons_deux]

Boo Hoo Boo.

President Donald J. Trump

Trash is ILLEGITIMATE

Elected by Assange, Comey, Kobach, redmap, SCOTUS gutting VRA

[boutons_deux]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/Ohhh.gif (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/Ohhh.gif.html)

I always thought you were a faggot, CONFIRMED!

[CosmicCowboy]

Trash is ILLEGITIMATE

Elected by Assange, Comey, Kobach, redmap, SCOTUS gutting VRA

Boo Hoo, Boo.

President Donald J. Trump

[boutons_deux]

Boo Hoo, Boo.

President Donald J. Trump

Trash is ILLEGITIMATE

Elected by Assange, Comey, Kobach, redmap, SCOTUS gutting VRA

[CosmicCowboy]

This swearing in shit looks pretty legitimate Boohoo.

[boutons_deux]

This swearing in shit looks pretty legitimate Boohoo.

It's a necessary formality in the way Trash/Repugs' hated govt works.

Trash is illegitimate, and he knows it, that's why one of his deepest fears is being considered so. He's a total sicko.

[TeyshaBlue]

I always thought you were a faggot, CONFIRMED!
Boutons the dickless, homophobic tough guy! :lmao. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/COMABro_zps91abc69d.gif (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/teyshablue/media/COMABro_zps91abc69d.gif.html)

[DarrinS]

Did she win yet?

[boutons_deux]

Boutons the dickless, homophobic tough guy! :lmao.

You Lie

I'm strongly Live and Let Live, which includes LGBTQ. I use your language, like knitter and faggot, to make sure all y'all shitckickers' understand.

[TeyshaBlue]

You Lie

I'm strongly Live and Let Live, which includes LGBTQ. I use your language, like knitter and faggot, to make sure all y'all shitckickers' understand.

You use those words, not me. lol coward.

[RandomGuy]

Gargling the balls of universities, eh? Make sure you don't miss out on this activity, you'll fit right in
http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/university-gives-kids-juice-boxes-legos-to-deal-with-trump-inauguration


First, legislative power does not depend on the votes of the people. One party wins just half the votes but 100 percent of the power. The GOP has a huge legislative majority giving it absolute veto-proof control with that tiny advantage in the popular vote. The other party wins just a handful of votes less and 0 percent of the legislative power. This is above and beyond the way in which state legislators are detached from democratic accountability as a result of the rigged district boundaries. They are beholden to their party bosses, not the voters. Seventy-six of the 170 (45 percent) incumbent state legislators were not even opposed by the other party in the general election.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article122593759.html#storylink=cpy

[RandomGuy]

Gargling the balls of universities, eh? Make sure you don't miss out on this activity, you'll fit right in
http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/university-gives-kids-juice-boxes-legos-to-deal-with-trump-inauguration


Second, democracies do not limit their citizens’ rights on the basis of their born identities. However, this is exactly what the North Carolina legislature did through House Bill 2 (there are an estimated 38,000 transgender Tar Heels), targeted attempts to reduce African-American and Latino access to the vote and pernicious laws to constrain the ability of women to act as autonomous citizens.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article122593759.html#storylink=cpy

[Mitch]

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article122593759.html#storylink=cpy

Enjoy playing with those legos, snowflake.

[RandomGuy]

Gargling the balls of universities, eh? Make sure you don't miss out on this activity, you'll fit right in
http://www.toddstarnes.com/column/university-gives-kids-juice-boxes-legos-to-deal-with-trump-inauguration


Third, government in North Carolina has become arbitrary and detached from popular will. When, in response to losing the governorship, one party uses its legislative dominance to take away significant executive power, it is a direct attack upon the separation of powers that defines American democracy. When a wounded legislative leadership, and a lame-duck executive, force through draconian changes with no time for robust review and debate it leaves Carolina no better than the authoritarian regimes we look down upon.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article122593759.html#storylink=cpy

[RandomGuy]

So that is the summary of some of the Replublican efforts at destroying democracy.

Let's dig into the details and supporting evidence.
Main website:
https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/


The Electoral Integrity Project is an independent academic project based at Harvard University and the University of Sydney. The EIP project is directed by the founding Director, Professor Pippa Norris, and governed by an International Advisory Board. The project is administered by the EIP Project Coordinator, Ms. Alexander Kennett. The work has been generously funded by many foundations and partners, notably the Australian Research Council Laureate Award.

AIMS AND OBJECTIVES

Since its inception in mid-2012, the Electoral Integrity Project has focused upon three issues:

When do elections meet international standards of electoral integrity?
What happens when elections fail to do so?
And what can be done to mitigate these problems?
EIP has sought to produce innovative and policy-relevant scientific research that achieves international standing in the social sciences and leads to a significant advancement of capabilities and knowledge about elections, democracy, and autocracy.

[Clipper Nation]

No group claiming to support electoral integrity can be taken seriously as long as they accept money from George Soros. His constant meddling in international politics compromises the integrity of the electoral process in every country he tries to subvert.

[RandomGuy]

First methods and design of study.


METHODS AND RESEARCH DESIGN

To examine how any problems varied by state, and whether registration and balloting facilities influenced the perceived quality of elections, the study used an expert survey to compare assessments of the 2014 and 2016 elections across American states.

For the 2014 study, the study stratified all US states based on their population size and the proportion of the Republican vote in 2010, and then used a random sampling procedure to select 21 states. For the 2016 study, all states plus DC were included.

Electoral laws and voter registration procedures were classified by state, as well as their levels of party competition and voting turnout, facilitating multilevel analysis to determine whether perceptions of electoral integrity vary according to types of context.

Fieldwork using the PEI-US questionnaire was conducted during the month following polling day. The PEI-US-2016 survey was compiled from responses received from 726 election experts in total. The online survey questionnaire includes 49 core items on electoral integrity. These are used to construct the overall 100-point standardized Perceptions of Electoral Integrity Index and similar indices are created for each of the 11 stages in the electoral system.
https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/featured-dataset



Core survey items:
https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/pei-core-survey-items

[RandomGuy]

No group claiming to support electoral integrity can be taken seriously as long as they accept money from George Soros. His constant meddling in international politics compromises the integrity of the electoral process in every country he tries to subvert.

Either their methods and data sets hold up to standards and scrutiny, or they don't.

If they told you that drinking bleach was bad for you, I am sure you would go right out and guzzle some Chlorox, because Soros funded them right?

That is the fallacy of ad hominem. Outright rejecting information and arguments based on the source is weak sauce.

(edit)

Don't drink bleach. It is bad for you. Just want that to be clear.

[Clipper Nation]

Either their methods and data sets hold up to standards and scrutiny, or they don't.

If they told you that drinking bleach was bad for you, I am sure you would go right out and guzzle some Chlorox, because Soros funded them right?
What a ridiculous comparison. The fact that drinking bleach can potentially kill you isn't a political opinion. The claim that a Republican-run state is "destroying democracy" and is just as totalitarian as third-world dictatorships is a political opinion. And when a supposedly "independent" and "non-partisan" group is putting out partisan hit pieces, of course it's important to start asking questions - like, for instance, who's paying them to spew this drivel.

The combination of their absurdly hyperbolic claims against Republicans and all the money they take from the most prominent left-wing donor in the world makes it impossible to take them seriously. It also renders their methods and data sets meaningless. We all know Soros isn't going to pay the big bucks for methods and data sets that contradict his narrative.


That is the fallacy of ad hominem. Outright rejecting information and arguments based on the source is weak sauce.
If the parties were reversed and the Electoral Integrity Project was being heavily funded by the Koch brothers, we all know you wouldn't be spamming their study incessantly. You are a partisan hack, just be honest for once and admit it.

[Clipper Nation]

By the way, here's what a professional statistician has to say about the Electoral Integrity Project's methods and data sets:


About that bogus claim that North Carolina is no longer a democracy . . .

North Carolina is not even the lowest-ranked state! Alabama, Michigan, Ohio, Georgia, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Wisconsin, and Arizona are lower.

Hmmm. Whassup with that?

Here's the international map from The Year in Elections, 2014 (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2567075), by Pippa Norris, Ferran Martinez i Coma, and Max Grömping:

http://andrewgelman.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-01-at-5.26.15-PM-1024x502.png


There's North Korea in yellow, one of the countries with "moderate" electoral integrity. Indeed, go to the chart and they list North Korea as #65 out of 127 countries. The poor saps in Bulgaria and Romania are ranked #90 and 92, respectively. Clearly what they need is a dose of Kim Jong-il.

Let's see what this measure actually is. From the report:



The survey asks experts to evaluate elections using 49 indicators, grouped into eleven categories reflecting the whole electoral cycle. Using a comprehensive instrument, listed at the end of the report, experts assess whether each national parliamentary and presidential contest meets international standards during the pre-election period, the campaign, polling day and its aftermath. The overall PEI index is constructed by summing the 49 separate indicators for each election and for each country. . . .

Around forty domestic and international experts were consulted about each election, with requests to participate sent to a total of 4,970 experts, producing an overall mean response rate of 29%. The rolling survey results presented in this report are drawn from the views of 1,429 election experts.



OK, let's check what the experts said about North Korea; it's on page 9 of the report:



Electoral laws 53
Electoral procedures 73
District boundaries 73
Voter registration 83
Party and candidate registration 54
Media coverage 78
Campaign finance 84
Voting process 53
Vote count 74
Results 80
Electoral authorities 60



Each of these is on a 0-100 scale with 100 being good. So, you got it, North Korea is above 50 in every category on the scale.

Who did they get to fill out this survey? Walter Duranty?

OK, let's look more carefully. In this table, the response rate for North Korea is given as 6%. And the report said they consulted about 40 "domestic and international experts" for each election. Hmmm . . . 6% of 40 is 2.4, so maybe they got 3 respondents for North Korea, 2 of whom were Stalinists.

That 2014 report mentioned above gave North Korea a rating of 65.3 out of 100 and Cuba a rating of 65.6. Both these numbers are higher than at least 27 of the 50 U.S. states in 2016, according to the savants at the Electoral Integrity Project.

Political science, indeed.

What went wrong here? It all seems like an unstable combination of political ideology, academic self-promotion, credulous journalism, and plain old incompetence.


http://andrewgelman.com/2017/01/02/about-that-bogus-claim-that-north-carolina-is-no-longer-a-democracy/

[Clipper Nation]

In short: :lol at buying into a Soros-funded study from a group that unironically believes that North Korea and Cuba have fairer elections than over half of the states in the US. I thought the Democrats were supposed to be the "party of science" and the Republicans were the "anti-intellectual" party?

[Splits]

You are a partisan hack, just be honest for once and admit it.

:lmao that's rich coming from you

[spurraider21]

:lmao that's rich coming from youhe's libertarian

[TeyshaBlue]

he's libertarian

In this case, he's also quite right.

[SnakeBoy]

Either their methods and data sets hold up to standards and scrutiny, or they don't.




By the way, here's what a professional statistician has to say about the Electoral Integrity Project's methods and data sets:


About that bogus claim that North Carolina is no longer a democracy . . .

North Carolina is not even the lowest-ranked state! Alabama, Michigan, Ohio, Georgia, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Wisconsin, and Arizona are lower.

Hmmm. Whassup with that?

Here's the international map from The Year in Elections, 2014 (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2567075), by Pippa Norris, Ferran Martinez i Coma, and Max Grömping:

http://andrewgelman.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-01-at-5.26.15-PM-1024x502.png


There's North Korea in yellow, one of the countries with "moderate" electoral integrity. Indeed, go to the chart and they list North Korea as #65 out of 127 countries. The poor saps in Bulgaria and Romania are ranked #90 and 92, respectively. Clearly what they need is a dose of Kim Jong-il.

Let's see what this measure actually is. From the report:



The survey asks experts to evaluate elections using 49 indicators, grouped into eleven categories reflecting the whole electoral cycle. Using a comprehensive instrument, listed at the end of the report, experts assess whether each national parliamentary and presidential contest meets international standards during the pre-election period, the campaign, polling day and its aftermath. The overall PEI index is constructed by summing the 49 separate indicators for each election and for each country. . . .

Around forty domestic and international experts were consulted about each election, with requests to participate sent to a total of 4,970 experts, producing an overall mean response rate of 29%. The rolling survey results presented in this report are drawn from the views of 1,429 election experts.



OK, let's check what the experts said about North Korea; it's on page 9 of the report:



Electoral laws 53
Electoral procedures 73
District boundaries 73
Voter registration 83
Party and candidate registration 54
Media coverage 78
Campaign finance 84
Voting process 53
Vote count 74
Results 80
Electoral authorities 60



Each of these is on a 0-100 scale with 100 being good. So, you got it, North Korea is above 50 in every category on the scale.

Who did they get to fill out this survey? Walter Duranty?

OK, let's look more carefully. In this table, the response rate for North Korea is given as 6%. And the report said they consulted about 40 "domestic and international experts" for each election. Hmmm . . . 6% of 40 is 2.4, so maybe they got 3 respondents for North Korea, 2 of whom were Stalinists.

That 2014 report mentioned above gave North Korea a rating of 65.3 out of 100 and Cuba a rating of 65.6. Both these numbers are higher than at least 27 of the 50 U.S. states in 2016, according to the savants at the Electoral Integrity Project.

Political science, indeed.

What went wrong here? It all seems like an unstable combination of political ideology, academic self-promotion, credulous journalism, and plain old incompetence.


http://andrewgelman.com/2017/01/02/about-that-bogus-claim-that-north-carolina-is-no-longer-a-democracy/

Poor RandomGuy

[mavsfan1000]

Down to 2.2 million. Lol

[UNT Eagles 2016]

:lol asshurt because the smart Republicans in California bolted for greener pastures in the Midwest and Florida leaving behind mostly all liberals...

[Clipper Nation]

Poor RandomGuy
Notice how that pseudointellectual faggot vanished from this thread when given proof to contradict his narrative.