was brasil 2002 the GOAT team tbh?

[dfens]

just look at this fucking roster sons, stacked doesn't do it justice:

dida - best brasilian goalkeeper in memory
roque junior - core player on a UCL finalist.
lucio - hall of famer defender
roberto carlos - one of the GOAT LBs
cafu - one of the GOAT RBs
gilberto silva - great player in '02, arsenal snatched him for peanuts
ronaldo - goat no 9 in my book
rivaldo - superstar, top 5 player, etc
ronaldinho - superstar in the making
belletti - this nigga was good tbh.
polga - nice career at sporting, adequate benchwarmer
kleberson - talented but busted at united
denilson - top 25 player at the time imo, if he were a bit smarter he would've had a much better career
juninho - core player at a UCL semifinalist, GOAT free kick taker
kaka - baby superstar
plus an adequate list of bench warmers.

Also a nicely balanced roster in comparison to spain '10 or brasil '72, with a lot more physical presence than the 10s Barcelona teams, with much more creativity than the 10s best real teams, more talent than the Galacticos (crazy tbh), much better build up play than the best bayern teams. I can't think of one team with a better and more balanced roster. This roster had crazy firepower in a balanced team, they were physical yet technical, could play all imaginable strategies, and had more superstar talent than anything in memory. Imo this is an impeccable team. Proof of this, they won with a towel boy as a coach.

[dfens]

also, I'll always remember that world cup for the refereeing south korea got, I have never seen more shameful shit:
vs portugal
vs spain
vs italy
vs deutschland

Watching some of these games is just :lol byron moreno :lol giving 20mins of extra time and smuggling coke. That concacaf negro who put all these referees there. Argie ref letting them play till they break their bones. Egyptian ref vs spain. Italy got kungfu-ed out there and the ref gave them yellows for taking elbows in the head.

south korea had 5 fucking goals disallowed against them in the competition :lmao

On the bright side we wouldn't have beaten those spain or italy sides ... so :lol

[dunkman]

Horrendous WC tbh, let's hope no WC will ever get organized there again.

Has to be Mexico 70 Brazil team, but they took out the Uruguay side in the semis with huge polemic.

Italy 82 was a very clear champion, defeating all top teams except France, no penalties, lost games nor any BS. France '98, Italy '06 and Spain '10 were clear cut better than any other team in those WC's.

[Bynumite]

They can't even beat Chill. Imagine midget and buddies at the Copa America final against those guys :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Hell no..You just say that cause you guys were an embarrasment of a finals team.

Ronaldo 9 is GOAT 9 though and easily one of the top 5 players ever...Could have been GOAT if not for the injury and if he wasnt sick in the finals of 98.

[lefty]

Brazil 1970 was just unreal

And the level of the 1970 WC was high, there was no small team in that edition

[140]

They're definitely up there, imho tbh

This is probably the first time I've seen someone say Belletti was good though :lol Around here he's known for having the greatest agent of all time :lmao

[Canyonero]

OP saying that because they were spanked in the final.

[Brazil]

wtf ? :lmao

[Brazil]

just because

dida - best brasilian goalkeeper in memory -> being the best Brazilian goalkeeper is not saying much tbh
roque junior - core player on a UCL finalist. -> the dude who was in charge to supervise Brazil opponents in 2014 ?... :lol
lucio - hall of famer defender -> legit
roberto carlos - one of the GOAT LBs -> overrated POS tbh... dude cost a WC to Brazil too busy looking at his socks rather than keeping up with Henry. He was an overrated offensive player due to his spectacular free kicks but was below average defender... a real definition of overrated
cafu - one of the GOAT RBs -> legit even though he had passed his prime in 2002
gilberto silva - great player in '02, arsenal snatched him for peanuts -> meh
ronaldo - goat no 9 in my book -> yup
rivaldo - superstar, top 5 player, etc -> good club player only known for scoring, average talent other than that but sub par performance with Brazil, not sure dude even scored a relevant goal for Brazil during a WC.
ronaldinho - superstar in the making -> ya in the making
belletti - this nigga was good tbh. -> who ?
polga - nice career at sporting, adequate benchwarmer -> who ?
kleberson - talented but busted at united -> who ?
denilson - top 25 player at the time imo, if he were a bit smarter he would've had a much better career -> definition of useless grigri all over the place, pathetic in 98 against France, barely saw him during 2002 WC
juninho - core player at a UCL semifinalist, GOAT free kick taker -> not a star but very solid player indeed

2002 is a meh WC, Belgium, Turkey and England is cake walk to finals tbh

[dfens]

Brazil 1970 was just unreal
And the level of the 1970 WC was high, there was no small team in that edition
I agree 1970 brasil were really talented but tbh I rate modern players better because the game has changed a lot. Also that brasil had some cupcake games tbh, so imo I'd take other goat teams over them.


They're definitely up there, imho tbh
This is probably the first time I've seen someone say Belletti was good though :lol Around here he's known for having the greatest agent of all time :lmao
he was serviceable tbh. In a team with all that talent you need some niggas who keep their head down and scrub the floor tbh.


OP saying that because they were spanked in the final.
I respect talent son. We got to to a world cup final with oliver khan, michael ballack, baby dick klose and a load of hot trash, after a glorious '00 euro where we managed to get one fucking point. ONE. It's an understatement to say that we had NO FUCKING business being there. I've never been prouder of a german team than that, they played hard. :toast


just because
dida - best brasilian goalkeeper in memory -> being the best Brazilian goalkeeper is not saying much tbh
roque junior - core player on a UCL finalist. -> the dude who was in charge to supervise Brazil opponents in 2014 ?... :lol
lucio - hall of famer defender -> legit
roberto carlos - one of the GOAT LBs -> overrated POS tbh... dude cost a WC to Brazil too busy looking at his socks rather than keeping up with Henry. He was an overrated offensive player due to his spectacular free kicks but was below average defender... a real definition of overrated
cafu - one of the GOAT RBs -> legit even though he had passed his prime in 2002
gilberto silva - great player in '02, arsenal snatched him for peanuts -> meh
ronaldo - goat no 9 in my book -> yup
rivaldo - superstar, top 5 player, etc -> good club player only known for scoring, average talent other than that but sub par performance with Brazil, not sure dude even scored a relevant goal for Brazil during a WC.
ronaldinho - superstar in the making -> ya in the making
belletti - this nigga was good tbh. -> who ?
polga - nice career at sporting, adequate benchwarmer -> who ?
kleberson - talented but busted at united -> who ?
denilson - top 25 player at the time imo, if he were a bit smarter he would've had a much better career -> definition of useless grigri all over the place, pathetic in 98 against France, barely saw him during 2002 WC
juninho - core player at a UCL semifinalist, GOAT free kick taker -> not a star but very solid player indeed

2002 is a meh WC, Belgium, Turkey and England is cake walk to finals tbh
you beat what you encounter tbh, I agree that they had an easy schedule but look at brasil '70, barely beat england and romania, then peru, uruguay and an exhausted italy.

imo you heavily underrate roberto carlos, imo carlos covered a lot of ground and really stretched teams on the left flank, while his marking isn't something to write home about his space creation and finishing are elite for a LB tbh. I agree he was kind of a faggot and he wasn't ronaldo/ronaldinho level but he was an elite player. This was in an also in an era in which flanks weren't as open as they are today. His tactical value was really high tbh, it's no wonder he was a core piece at the galacticos.

And fucking :lmao at your rivaldo description, nigga you high or what? Dude was a bonafide superstar. His barcelona career is exceptional. Also lol at saying he never scored a relevant goal for brasil with him scoring 5 at the 2002 world cup alone. He was also involved in both final goals :lol Imo you could argue he was the mvp of that crazy stacked team, I recall scolari even saying that, even though I rate scolari like I rate d'antoni :lol. He also has 2 world cups and 2 copas, so the hardware is definitely there. wtf lol, what's with the hate tbh? :lmao

[Brazil]

Roberto Carlos was overrated I'm not saying he was a scrub tbh
I stand by what I said about rivaldo a good/great if you want club player with average talent other than scoring, a better version of giroud. For Brazil he was meh his whole career, scored in 2002 against scrub teams and an important one against England iirc, that's about it. Dude will be forgotten totally in 10 years.

Overall No way Brazil 2002 is some kind of goat team. They had prime Ronaldo and yes prime Ronaldo is something else but the rest is nothing to goat about

[lefty]

Carlos was pretty good on both ends

You can't ask more from a fullback tbh

[turkish spurs fan]

turkey 2002 was unlucky againts brazil 2002 tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

I stand by what I said about rivaldo a good/great if you want club player with average talent other than scoring, a better version of giroud.

:lmao

Benezema would be a better version of scrub ass Giroud, Rivaldo was better than bitch ass Neymar who's a wasteful finisher.

But...but..but...he didn't much for his country::rolleyes

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But...but..but...he only scores against scrubs::rolleyes

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[dfens]

Roberto Carlos was overrated I'm not saying he was a scrub tbh
I stand by what I said about rivaldo a good/great if you want club player with average talent other than scoring, a better version of giroud. For Brazil he was meh his whole career, scored in 2002 against scrub teams and an important one against England iirc, that's about it. Dude will be forgotten totally in 10 years.

Overall No way Brazil 2002 is some kind of goat team. They had prime Ronaldo and yes prime Ronaldo is something else but the rest is nothing to goat about

this entire post but especially the bolded :

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/kid-soccer-kick-fail-kids-sports-gifs.gif

[140]

Wow :lol

Brazil you my nigga but if you're not going to reconsider that shit take on Rivaldo then it's probably time to stop posting ITT, tbh...

[dfens]

http://remezcla.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/GOLAZO-CHILENA-RIVALDO-BARCELONA-VALENCIA-HD-ALTA-CALIDAD-Y-SONIDO-BICYCLE-KICK.gif?x28508
this is the most perfect and aesthetic bicycle kick I have ever seen, it has power, placement, demarcation, sublime chest control, under pressure and against a big team and a great GK. It was scored in the last second of a game against a top 5-10 european team (that valencia was strong) to complete a hat trick and to assure UCL qualification. Sorry, but the Giroud comparison is :lmao, Giroud can't even comprehend this level of greatness tbh.

[elemento]

Comparing Rivaldo with Giroud ? Man, i thought Brazil lived in BR. They aren't remotely similar. In style or talent-wise. Rilvado carried Brazil along with Ronaldo to the Finals in 2002.

It's like comparing Platini with Hulk tbh :lmao

Just assume the bad take and let's move on Brazil.

[Brazil]

:lol I am saying a better version of Giroud because of play style. Then you have kawhistorm posting a hat trick on a friendship game... duh that's my point. Again not saying he was a scrub or something, he had some good games on copa america, scored an important goal in 2002 and some also good amistosos, overall he was meh for Brazil, far from being the efficient scorer he was on club. At the end Rivaldo is nowhere close to be in a first, second or even third all time great Brazilian team. Remembering the point of this thread is to discuss if Brazil 2002 is some sort of goat team which is pretty stupid. Finally dfens is my nigga but posting a gif to justify some greatness is :lol I can post more spectacular stuff of Papin, I'm even sure I can post some great Giroud gif too


Back to the topic, Brazil 2002 is not even goat team of the decade, Spain 2010 > Brazil 2002. Brazil 2002 clicked at the right time during WC but just before the team was a mess, they barely qualified for the competition. So yeah this thread is just :lol stock at this point.

[elemento]

Because Spain didn't click at the right time ? They lost against Swiss in that WC son plz and barely qualified to the playoffs in a group with Chile, Honduras and Swiss.

If Swiss doesn't choke a game against fucking Honduras, Spain would be 2nd in their group and they would have a much harder path in the WC. Brazil in the 8s, Netherlands in the 4as and Uruguay in the semis . They barely beat Portugal, they were 1 missed Penaldo away (freaking Cardozo) from being eliminated by freaking Paraguay in the 4as and they were lucky as fuck in the Finals with Robben missing a ridiculous goal.

Stop to overrate 2010 Spain son. They had one of the luckiest WC runs of all-time and they don't belong to any conversation as one of the best WC teams of all-time.

[Brazil]

Because Spain didn't click at the right time ? They lost against Swiss in that WC son plz and barely qualified to the playoffs in a group with Chile, Honduras and Swiss.

If Swiss doesn't choke a game against fucking Honduras, Spain would be 2nd in their group and they would have a much harder path in the WC. Brazil in the 8s, Netherlands in the 4as and Uruguay in the semis . They barely beat Portugal, they were 1 missed Penaldo away (freaking Cardozo) from being eliminated by freaking Paraguay in the 4as and they were lucky as fuck in the Finals with Robben missing a ridiculous goal.

Stop to overrate 2010 Spain son. They had one of the luckiest WC runs of all-time and they don't belong to any conversation as one of the best WC teams of all-time.

Spain won Euro 2 years before, this team won the WC then won the next Euro, we are talking about a consistent great generation, having some hick ups during qualification happen (see Italy). Brazil in 2001 had just an atrocious copa america.

Finally I don't understand why people don't read and just jump into everything, where did I say that Spain was one best WC teams of all time ? I just mentionned that Brazil 2002 is not even the team of decade and spain 2010 > brazil 2002. This thread is just silly. Brazil 2002 does not belong to any conversation as one of the best WC of all time even more than Spain 2010.

:lol so yeah stop deflecting

Was Brazil 2002 the goat team ?
You consider Brazil 2002 > Spain 2010 ?

[dfens]

:lol I am saying a better version of Giroud because of play style. Then you have kawhistorm posting a hat trick on a friendship game... duh that's my point. Again not saying he was a scrub or something, he had some good games on copa america, scored an important goal in 2002 and some also good amistosos, overall he was meh for Brazil, far from being the efficient scorer he was on club. At the end Rivaldo is nowhere close to be in a first, second or even third all time great Brazilian team. Remembering the point of this thread is to discuss if Brazil 2002 is some sort of goat team which is pretty stupid. Finally dfens is my nigga but posting a gif to justify some greatness is :lol I can post more spectacular stuff of Papin, I'm even sure I can post some great Giroud gif too


Back to the topic, Brazil 2002 is not even goat team of the decade, Spain 2010 > Brazil 2002. Brazil 2002 clicked at the right time during WC but just before the team was a mess, they barely qualified for the competition. So yeah this thread is just :lol stock at this point.

son you're my nigga but tbh rivaldo and giroud do not belong in the same sentence. Rivaldo was imo the most important player on that 2002 brasil squad. Also I don't necessarily rate a team on of competition but on of football quality and versatility. That 2002 roster had 3 superstars (ronaldo+rivaldo+ronaldinho), one in the making(kaka), 4 other true star players (carlos/cafu/lucio/juninho) and a slew of quality role players (silva, dida, denilson, junior, etc).
FYI the best barcelona sides had 1 superstar (messi), 3-4 star players (xavi, iniesta, fabregas->suarez, puyol->neymar) and a slew of quality role players (pique, bisquits, alves, sanchez/etc).

That offensive triplet of ronaldo + rivaldo + ronaldinho is just mind boggingly insane.

[dfens]

Spain won Euro 2 years before, this team won the WC then won the next Euro, we are talking about a consistent great generation, having some hick ups during qualification happen (see Italy). Brazil in 2001 had just an atrocious copa america.

Finally I don't understand why people don't read and just jump into everything, where did I say that Spain was one best WC teams of all time ? I just mentionned that Brazil 2002 is not even the team of decade and spain 2010 > brazil 2002. This thread is just silly. Brazil 2002 does not belong to any conversation as one of the best WC of all time even more than Spain 2010.

:lol so yeah stop deflecting

Was Brazil 2002 the goat team ?
You consider Brazil 2002 > Spain 2010 ?

I'd take 2002 brasil over '10 spain quite easily. That spain team had zero flexibility and found it very hard to adapt to games (many examples here..). Sure if they'd get that 1-0 advantage it was fucking OVER, but they weren't at best at playing from behind. Also they weren't a physically imposing team and were really tested by the dutch on that front. What I'm saying is that a true GOAT team can adapt beat any threat, not just rape non-contenders, and imo spain always had a problem of adaptability, as they were too specialized as a team. This is what ELO and competition doesn't show you and imo is a problem with how people rate both football and basketball, people fail to understand that the best teams can easily adapt to situations and have an answer for any question, they have size, they have skill, they have explosion, they can play possession or counter, they have big name and game players that can do it on their own.

I can easily say this because germany is too a team that adapts with difficulty, and I've heard it many times that we had such a great team and we were unlucky here, unlucky there. Luck exists, there is no denying it, but the 10s germany, the 10s spain and the 10s argentina are all teams which play a railroaded style. This style is good and minimizes risk but if you overspecialize in a style you can't adapt to threats (unlucky situations).

Imo top to bottom the spanish roster has more talent but as a starting 11 '02 brasil is better in terms of talent/explosiveness/adaptability/firepower.

[elemento]

Spain won Euro 2 years before, this team won the WC then won the next Euro, we are talking about a consistent great generation, having some hick ups during qualification happen (see Italy). Brazil in 2001 had just an atrocious copa america.

Finally I don't understand why people don't read and just jump into everything, where did I say that Spain was one best WC teams of all time ? I just mentionned that Brazil 2002 is not even the team of decade and spain 2010 > brazil 2002. This thread is just silly. Brazil 2002 does not belong to any conversation as one of the best WC of all time even more than Spain 2010.

:lol so yeah stop deflecting

Was Brazil 2002 the goat team ?
You consider Brazil 2002 > Spain 2010 ?

Are we discussing the 2010 WC team or the generation ? The fact that Spain had a great generation (and I don't take that away from them) does not change the fact that they had a lucky WC run in 2010.
Did you even bother to check Brazil's squad in the 2001 CA ? Brazil sent a C team in 2001. The attack of that team was Jardel, Guilherme and Ewerton :lmao

No Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Lucio, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho or Kaká. How's that relevant if OP is clearly taking about a totally different team ? Neymar alone finished that Spain generation in 13 just 1 year after they won Eurocup against Italy. Irrelevant, as we're talking about the 2010 team.

When you try to discredit Brazil's team comparing Rivaldo with Giroud, you simply lose all your credibility. They're not similar at all, skill-wise or talent-wise. So just say "Eu fiz cagada comparando Rivaldo com o Giroud, perdoem-me por isso" and we move on from that.

Answering your question

1 - No, the GOAT team was Brazil's 70 in my opinion.

2 - Yes, I'd take the 2002 Brazil squad over the 2010 Spain and I think Brazil's run was better too. Spain had a better mid-field, but Brazil had a much superior attack and a better defense line as well.

That Spanish generation is among the best of all-time, no doubt about that. But that 2010 team one of the best teams/WC runs of all-time? Nah.

[Brazil]

son you're my nigga but tbh rivaldo and giroud do not belong in the same sentence. Rivaldo was imo the most important player on that 2002 brasil squad. Also I don't necessarily rate a team on of competition but on of football quality and versatility. That 2002 roster had 3 superstars (ronaldo+rivaldo+ronaldinho), one in the making(kaka), 4 other true star players (carlos/cafu/lucio/juninho) and a slew of quality role players (silva, dida, denilson, junior, etc).
FYI the best barcelona sides had 1 superstar (messi), 3-4 star players (xavi, iniesta, fabregas->suarez, puyol->neymar) and a slew of quality role players (pique, bisquits, alves, sanchez/etc).

That offensive triplet of ronaldo + rivaldo + ronaldinho is just mind boggingly insane.

Son... Rivaldo is obviously a better player... never said otherwise

for the rest we disagree big time. 2002 Brazil is not in any goat team conversation and yes we can easily argue about the fact Spain 2010 was a better team. Individually ronaldo and rivaldo are better than their Spanish counterparts (Ronaldo is also by far the best player), the rest is pretty much in favor of Spain. Xavi>>Ronaldinho, Spanish defense > Brazil... not even talking about goal keeper. Spain 2010 was stacked bra lead by Iniesta, Xavi

I know it hurts to lose a final so yeah it helps saying your opponent was some kinda of goat team but that's not the case bra :lol

[lefty]

Rivaldo could socre FK's with both feet; that's rare

But I agree with Brazil, he was better in club than with the NT

[Brazil]

Are we discussing the 2010 WC team or the generation ? The fact that Spain had a great generation (and I don't take that away from them) does not change the fact that they had a lucky WC run in 2010.
Did you even bother to check Brazil's squad in the 2001 CA ? Brazil sent a C team in 2001. The attack of that team was Jardel, Guilherme and Ewerton :lmao

No Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Lucio, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho or Kaká. How's that relevant if OP is clearly taking about a totally different team ? Neymar alone finished that Spain generation in 13 just 1 year after they won Eurocup against Italy. Irrelevant, as we're talking about the 2010 team.

When you try to discredit Brazil's team comparing Rivaldo with Giroud, you simply lose all your credibility. They're not similar at all, skill-wise or talent-wise. So just say "Eu fiz cagada comparando Rivaldo com o Giroud, perdoem-me por isso" and we move on from that.

Answering your question

1 - No, the GOAT team was Brazil's 70 in my opinion.

2 - Yes, I'd take the 2002 Brazil squad over the 2010 Spain and I think Brazil's run was better too. Spain had a better mid-field, but Brazil had a much superior attack and a better defense line as well.

That Spanish generation is among the best of all-time, no doubt about that. But that 2010 team one of the best teams/WC runs of all-time? Nah.

I used Giroud comparaison for highlighting the short comings of Rivaldo... rivaldo is obviously a better player, smh... Now based on this resume with Brazil where do you put him in an all time Brazilian great teams ? third ? fourth ? fifth ? at the end a great club player and a meh international player

Point taken about copa america but fact remains that Brazil struggled through qualification to WC and was yes a messy team that Scolari and Emerson injury fixed during the tournament. For the rest I don't believe in luck, I stressed out results before and after of Spain exactly for this reason... Spain had a great run with a great generation

on your answers:

1- I am too young to know well Brazil 70 but yeah it is quite a consensus... Before Brazil 2002, only considering winners and runner ups, you have probably no particular order Germany 74, Netherlands 74,78 , Argentina 86, Spain 2010... to name a few

2- this is not my opinion as explained above

[Brazil]

I'd take 2002 brasil over '10 spain quite easily. That spain team had zero flexibility and found it very hard to adapt to games (many examples here..). Sure if they'd get that 1-0 advantage it was fucking OVER, but they weren't at best at playing from behind. Also they weren't a physically imposing team and were really tested by the dutch on that front. What I'm saying is that a true GOAT team can adapt beat any threat, not just rape non-contenders, and imo spain always had a problem of adaptability, as they were too specialized as a team. This is what ELO and competition doesn't show you and imo is a problem with how people rate both football and basketball, people fail to understand that the best teams can easily adapt to situations and have an answer for any question, they have size, they have skill, they have explosion, they can play possession or counter, they have big name and game players that can do it on their own.

I can easily say this because germany is too a team that adapts with difficulty, and I've heard it many times that we had such a great team and we were unlucky here, unlucky there. Luck exists, there is no denying it, but the 10s germany, the 10s spain and the 10s argentina are all teams which play a railroaded style. This style is good and minimizes risk but if you overspecialize in a style you can't adapt to threats (unlucky situations).

Imo top to bottom the spanish roster has more talent but as a starting 11 '02 brasil is better in terms of talent/explosiveness/adaptability/firepower.

Point is Spain did not need to be flexible because this team was able to impose his style to anybody... I'm not sure what more successes she could have been if more flexible or more physical... generation arrived at its peak and won everything possible (2 Euros and 1 WC that's what you can win in the 10 years you have tbh). At the end they did not lose any competition because of those shortcomings. They attack and defend by keeping the ball in all situations, that was their way. Son I do hate with a passion Spain but I recognize the greatness of this gen... they were amazing

I agree top to bottom Spain is more talented, more stacked... Brazil was more adaptable now in terms of imposing successfully your play style Spain 10 > Brazil 02. Depends on what you value most, point is a team adapts when they are put into a situation where they have to adapt, Spain philosophy is to be never put in that kind of situation, they make opponent to adapt and they have been quite successful

[elemento]

I used Giroud comparaison for highlighting the short comings of Rivaldo... rivaldo is obviously a better player, smh... Now based on this resume with Brazil where do you put him in an all time Brazilian great teams ? third ? fourth ? fifth ? at the end a great club player and a meh international player

Point taken about copa america but fact remains that Brazil struggled through qualification to WC and was yes a messy team that Scolari and Emerson injury fixed during the tournament. For the rest I don't believe in luck, I stressed out results before and after of Spain exactly for this reason... Spain had a great run with a great generation

on your answers:

1- I am too young to know well Brazil 70 but yeah it is quite a consensus... Before Brazil 2002, only considering winners and runner ups, you have probably no particular order Germany 74, Netherlands 74,78 , Argentina 86, Spain 2010... to name a few

2- this is not my opinion as explained above

You tried to use a hyperbole comparing Rivaldo and Giroud, but it's just a really poor comparison overall. Rivaldo is light years ahead of Giroud as a player, in the club or the NT and it's not even close.

Rivaldo had to carry Barcelona during the dark days when they didn't even have money to keep prime Ronaldo and had to sell him to Italy . Rivaldo still managed to lead them to 2 Spanish titles, a Copa del Rey and a Supercup facing a totally stacked RM. He won the FIFA's World best player during his Barça time as well. Don't forget that he also won titles with La Coruña.

Rivaldo's resume with Brazil includes : a Federation Cup, a Copa America in 99 (best player of the tournament beating peak Ronaldo who's probably the GOAT 9), 2 WC Finals and 1 WC title and he made the WC best 11 both times. He has 37 goals in 75 matches for the Brazilian NT and 8 goals in the WC. That's an average of 0.49, which is a better than Henry, Benzema, Giroud, Trezeguet and Griezmann for the French NT.

I don't see how you can say that he was just a club player. That's just not true. He won everything you can possibly get as a player, team-wise and individually, in clubs or in Brazil. Not making the top 5 list in Brazil is not a shame for a any player. Brazil is stacked when it comes individual talent historically.

[Brazil]

You tried to use a hyperbole comparing Rivaldo and Giroud, but it's just a really poor comparison overall. Rivaldo is light years ahead of Giroud as a player, in the club or the NT and it's not even close.

I used that hyperbole because both are tall, playing near the surface, are quite slow, good head players, don't create for others, are important for spacing and needs a system adapted to them to play well. Also they are known to play better for their club than NT. That's why I used this comparaison I did not say they are at same level, I explicitely said Rivaldo is better now if saying way way way better is enough to please you, I have no issue with that.


Rivaldo had to carry Barcelona during the dark days when they didn't even have money to keep prime Ronaldo and had to sell him to Italy . Rivaldo still managed to lead them to 2 Spanish titles, a Copa del Rey and a Supercup facing a totally stacked RM. He won the FIFA's World best player during his Barça time as well. Don't forget that he also won titles with La Coruña.

yes, a great club player


Rivaldo's resume with Brazil includes : a Federation Cup, a Copa America in 99 (best player of the tournament beating peak Ronaldo who's probably the GOAT 9), 2 WC Finals and 1 WC title and he made the WC best 11 both times. He has 37 goals in 75 matches for the Brazilian NT and 8 goals in the WC. That's an average of 0.49, which is a better than Henry, Benzema, Giroud, Trezeguet and Griezmann for the French NT.

well you compare his average goal with France but I guess Brazil historically scores more than France so kinda biased. I have seen 35 goals in 75 games (close enough) which is indeed better than the guys you named but significantly worst than Papin (to take a French example) or Romario (to take a Brazilian one) for instance.


I don't see how you can say that he was just a club player. That's just not true. He won everything you can possibly get as a player, team-wise and individually, in clubs or in Brazil. Not making the top 5 list in Brazil is not a shame for a any player. Brazil is stacked when it comes individual talent historically.

Rivaldo club > Rivaldo NT

yes Brazil is stacked indeed but Rivaldo would not be on a first or second France all time great list either

[elemento]

I used that hyperbole because both are tall, playing near the surface, are quite slow, good head players, don't create for others, are important for spacing and needs a system adapted to them to play well. Also they are known to play better for their club than NT. That's why I used this comparaison I did not say they are at same level, I explicitely said Rivaldo is better now if saying way way way better is enough to please you, I have no issue with that.


The only thing that Giroud and Rivaldo have in similar is the fact that they're lefties and it stops there. I'm pretty damn sure that you absolutely have the wrong picture about him. To me it seems that you're talking about a totally different player. Giroud is a CF and Rivaldo was an attacking midfilder. Rivaldo was not slow at all, especially in the open field. Rivaldo was much better dribbling the ball and he had elite 1st touch and control.

Rivaldo played 14 games in the World Cup. He had 8 goals and 4 assists in 14 games. Just for sake's of comparison, Zidane had 5 goals and 2 assists in 15 games and both assists came in dead ball situations. (a corner and a freekick).

Again, Rivaldo was part of the best XI in both WCs he played.

Rivaldo was never known for playing better for his team than for his NT at all. Ronaldinho was known for that.

Since you have BR connections, just ask any of your Brazilian fellows how they feel about Rivaldo in the Brazilian NT. In terms of importance in the past 20 years, he is probably a top 3 along with Ronaldo and Romario. That's how good he was for the Brazilian NT, especially in the WC. Most Brazilians feel he is one of the most underrated Brazilian players of all-time.




well you compare his average goal with France but I guess Brazil historically scores more than France so kinda biased. I have seen 35 goals in 75 games (close enough) which is indeed better than the guys you named but significantly worst than Papin (to take a French example) or Romario (to take a Brazilian one) for instance.

Rivaldo club > Rivaldo NT

yes Brazil is stacked indeed but Rivaldo would not be on a first or second France all time great list either


It's not biased. Even if Brazil scores more goals historically, Rivaldo was an attacking midfilder not a striker and he had to "compete" for goals with Romario and Ronaldo and it's not an easy task at all.

Honestly, when it comes to football history in clubs and NT, there aren't many french footballers that I'd take over Rivaldo. Zidane and Platini and that's it.

[Brazil]

The only thing that Giroud and Rivaldo have in similar is the fact that they're lefties and it stops there. I'm pretty damn sure that you absolutely have the wrong picture about him. To me it seems that you're talking about a totally different player. Giroud is a CF and Rivaldo was an attacking midfilder. Rivaldo was not slow at all, especially in the open field. Rivaldo was much better dribbling the ball and he had elite 1st touch and control.

Rivaldo played 14 games in the World Cup. He had 8 goals and 4 assists in 14 games. Just for sake's of comparison, Zidane had 5 goals and 2 assists in 15 games and both assists came in dead ball situations. (a corner and a freekick).

Again, Rivaldo was part of the best XI in both WCs he played.

Rivaldo was never known for playing better for his team than for his NT at all. Ronaldinho was known for that.

Since you have BR connections, just ask any of your Brazilian fellows how they feel about Rivaldo in the Brazilian NT. In terms of importance in the past 20 years, he is probably a top 3 along with Ronaldo and Romario. That's how good he was for the Brazilian NT, especially in the WC. Most Brazilians feel he is one of the most underrated Brazilian players of all-time.

Reading you, you could think dude was a #10 or something. He was not a #9 for sure but he played forward as far as I remember for La corogne and the Barcelona, he is more a 9 and half than a midfielder. In 2002 midfield was held by ronaldinho, kleber and silva... Rivaldo supporting ronaldo mostly on the left side. After Barcelona, I have no idea he went to play for some greek teams... He was not spectacular at all on dribbling and I fail to remember him not being slow :lol...

Zidane had 5 goals, 3 in finals not really comparable... 8 goals, half of them blow out wins against china, costa rica and such.

I have BR connections and they apparently are not fans of Palmeira or Sao Paulo because their feeling is not quite the same than you, 20 years is quite a long time and I'm pretty sure he is not a top 3 since 86 :lol



It's not biased. Even if Brazil scores more goals historically, Rivaldo was an attacking midfilder not a striker and he had to "compete" for goals with Romario and Ronaldo and it's not an easy task at all.


Honestly, when it comes to football history in clubs and NT, there aren't many french footballers that I'd take over Rivaldo. Zidane and Platini and that's it.

that's because you probably don't know enough french players

[elemento]

Reading you, you could think dude was a #10 or something. He was not a #9 for sure but he played forward as far as I remember for La corogne and the Barcelona, he is more a 9 and half than a midfielder. In 2002 midfield was held by ronaldinho, kleber and silva... Rivaldo supporting ronaldo mostly on the left side. After Barcelona, I have no idea he went to play for some greek teams... He was not spectacular at all on dribbling and I fail to remember him not being slow :lol...

Zidane had 5 goals, 3 in finals not really comparable... 8 goals, half of them blow out wins against china, costa rica and such.

I have BR connections and they apparently are not fans of Palmeira or Sao Paulo because their feeling is not quite the same than you, 20 years is quite a long time and I'm pretty sure he is not a top 3 since 86 :lol


that's because you probably don't know enough french players

He wasn't a pure 10, but he was definitely not a 9 either. He was better dribbling than Giroud, my point here. Mostly simple cuts and changing directions, not something fancy like Dinho ou Ronaldo. As I said, not slow at all in the open field.

You're just going from 8 to 80. Zidane scored 3 important goals sure but 3 goals from dead balls . You're forgetting the 4 assists (quite impressive from someone who can't pass like you said) and the fact that Rivaldo saved Brazil's ass in the playoffs against Denmark in 98 and against Belgium and England in 02. So no Rivaldo, no WC Finals and no WC title either.

Your friends are probably too young to appreciate Rivaldo and 20 years is 96 tbh, not 86. Yes, he is a top 3 in terms of importance for the Brazilian team since 96.

Actually I do know a lot of French players. I just wonder who besides Zidane and Planiti has a case over Rivaldo. I simply fail to see it.

[140]

The only thing that Giroud and Rivaldo have in similar is the fact that they're lefties and it stops there. I'm pretty damn sure that you absolutely have the wrong picture about him. To me it seems that you're talking about a totally different player. Giroud is a CF and Rivaldo was an attacking midfilder. Rivaldo was not slow at all, especially in the open field. Rivaldo was much better dribbling the ball and he had elite 1st touch and control.

Rivaldo played 14 games in the World Cup. He had 8 goals and 4 assists in 14 games. Just for sake's of comparison, Zidane had 5 goals and 2 assists in 15 games and both assists came in dead ball situations. (a corner and a freekick).

Again, Rivaldo was part of the best XI in both WCs he played.

Rivaldo was never known for playing better for his team than for his NT at all. Ronaldinho was known for that.

Since you have BR connections, just ask any of your Brazilian fellows how they feel about Rivaldo in the Brazilian NT. In terms of importance in the past 20 years, he is probably a top 3 along with Ronaldo and Romario. That's how good he was for the Brazilian NT, especially in the WC. Most Brazilians feel he is one of the most underrated Brazilian players of all-time.



It's not biased. Even if Brazil scores more goals historically, Rivaldo was an attacking midfilder not a striker and he had to "compete" for goals with Romario and Ronaldo and it's not an easy task at all.

Honestly, when it comes to football history in clubs and NT, there aren't many french footballers that I'd take over Rivaldo. Zidane and Platini and that's it.
Son I agree with you 100%, especially the bolded. That's pretty much the way I feel about him as well.

Brazil just seems to be out of his element here tbh

[Canyonero]

Also GOAT flopper against Turkey tbh

[Brazil]

He wasn't a pure 10, but he was definitely not a 9 either. He was better dribbling than Giroud, my point here. Mostly simple cuts and changing directions, not something fancy like Dinho ou Ronaldo. As I said, not slow at all in the open field.

I'm happy to see you agree with me... 9 and half, second striker... if your point is to say he can run fast when he has time to launch the motor... agreed :lol


You're just going from 8 to 80. Zidane scored 3 important goals sure but 3 goals from dead balls . You're forgetting the 4 assists (quite impressive from someone who can't pass like you said) and the fact that Rivaldo saved Brazil's ass in the playoffs against Denmark in 98 and against Belgium and England in 02. So no Rivaldo, no WC Finals and no WC title either.

not sure how it is kind of negative for Zidane to have scored on dead balls tbh... zidane is a pure 10 not a striker so yeah his goals are definitely more impressive than Rivaldo's in wc


Your friends are probably too young to appreciate Rivaldo and 20 years is 96 tbh, not 86. Yes, he is a top 3 in terms of importance for the Brazilian team since 96.

:lol ya 96 sorry... still not top 3 unless you consider rivaldo > neymar


Actually I do know a lot of French players. I just wonder who besides Zidane and Planiti has a case over Rivaldo. I simply fail to see it.

:lol I know Brazilian can be very arrogant when topic is football but come on son... so a dude who does not make the 4th or 5th all time team is better than whole french all time ? :lol you must be kidding... French football is obviously small fry compared to Brazil but we have had some great players... Henry, Canto, Tigana, Fontaine, Kopa, Giresse, Rocheteau, Youri,... just taking strikers and midfield dudes

[Brazil]

Also GOAT flopper against Turkey tbh

:lol he has had some great flops during his career... true

[Brazil]

To close the topic, I'm sorry I hit some Brazilian nerve with Rivaldo/Giroud, that was not my intention. I was just comparing some charasteristics both have :lol did not know he was so beloved....

In all honestly in all football conversation I'm having for about 10 years in Brazil, I never felt Rivaldo was dat dude, I am having a lot of yeah great striker and meh with Brazil except Palmeiras fans tbh... very different when you talk about Romario for instance, people I know love Romario. From what I saw of him during his years playing for Barcelona and greek teams :lol he is not your traditional Brazilian talented guy more a solid blue colar talented to score the ball and I was never impressed by his perf with NT.

[140]

still not top 3 unless you consider rivaldo > neymar
well duh

[elemento]

not sure how it is kind of negative for Zidane to have scored on dead balls tbh... zidane is a pure 10 not a striker so yeah his goals are definitely more impressive than Rivaldo's in wc



It's not negative, it's a fact. Scoring on finals is great, but he did it on dead balls. He only had 2 assists during 15 games in the WCs. For a pure organizer, that seems underwhelming especially when you consider the fact that Rivaldo had twice the assists of Zidane playing 1 less WC as an attacking midfielder. For a guy that can't pass like you said it seems very good tbh.

You tried to imply that Rivaldo only scored against garbage teams in the WC, when it's not a fact so i had to debunk it. You said : "good club player only known for scoring, average talent other than that but sub par performance with Brazil, not sure dude even scored a relevant goal for Brazil during a WC. "
He scored key goals against Denmark (2 goals), England and Belgium, all in the playoffs and without him Brazil does not win shit.




:lol ya 96 sorry... still not top 3 unless you consider rivaldo > neymar



Not yet son. I think Neymar is better than Rivaldo, but he hasn't reached Rivaldo's level with the "Amarelinha" yet. Depends on what Neymar does in the next WC. Olympics was a great feat, but it's not the main NT and Fed Cup is not enough to pass Rivaldo for now.



:lol I know Brazilian can be very arrogant when topic is football but come on son... so a dude who does not make the 4th or 5th all time team is better than whole french all time ? :lol you must be kidding... French football is obviously small fry compared to Brazil but we have had some great players... Henry, Canto, Tigana, Fontaine, Kopa, Giresse, Rocheteau, Youri,... just taking strikers and midfield dudes

Arrogant ? C'mon son don't play this lame game. I'm arrogant because I fail to see how Giroud and Rivaldo are comparable ? hahahahaha ! :lol


Imagine If i tried to compare Hulk with Henry. That's how bad your take was tbh.

You named a lot of guys, but who among them has a legit case over Rivaldo ? Maybe Henry, but it's highly debatable. But Rivaldo wouldn't even sniff France's 2nd all-time team according to you and i'm the arrogant guy :lol

[Canyonero]

I think Brazil is just trying to troll you tbh

[elemento]

Brazil is half about jks and half serious. I'm too.

He has some French pride and I know it just reading the way the defends french players, especially TP on the Spurs forum.

It's ok. We can move on here. I have nothing but respect for the French NT. Rivaldo would start in their all-time 11 though :lol

[Brazil]

^ :lol not a chance

[dfens]

It's not negative, it's a fact. Scoring on finals is great, but he did it on dead balls. He only had 2 assists during 15 games in the WCs. For a pure organizer, that seems underwhelming especially when you consider the fact that Rivaldo had twice the assists of Zidane playing 1 less WC as an attacking midfielder. For a guy that can't pass like you said it seems very good tbh.

You tried to imply that Rivaldo only scored against garbage teams in the WC, when it's not a fact so i had to debunk it. You said : "good club player only known for scoring, average talent other than that but sub par performance with Brazil, not sure dude even scored a relevant goal for Brazil during a WC. "He scored key goals against Denmark (2 goals), England and Belgium, all in the playoffs and without him Brazil does not win shit.



Not yet son. I think Neymar is better than Rivaldo, but he hasn't reached Rivaldo's level with the "Amarelinha" yet. Depends on what Neymar does in the next WC. Olympics was a great feat, but it's not the main NT and Fed Cup is not enough to pass Rivaldo for now.



Arrogant ? C'mon son don't play this lame game. I'm arrogant because I fail to see how Giroud and Rivaldo are comparable ? hahahahaha ! :lol


Imagine If i tried to compare Hulk with Henry. That's how bad your take was tbh.

You named a lot of guys, but who among them has a legit case over Rivaldo ? Maybe Henry, but it's highly debatable. But Rivaldo wouldn't even sniff France's 2nd all-time team according to you and i'm the arrogant guy :lol

son, what? what has neymar done tbh? I don't see him carrying barcelona like rivaldo (messi is carrying that team..) and I don't see him winning major titles with brasil or carrying the NT against tough competition. Imo neymar << rivaldo tbh, neymar is just the only star player in brasil right now in this crazy marketing era.

Btw henry has absolutely no case over rivaldo, such an overrated player, just like ibrahimovic.

[Brazil]

son, what? what has neymar done tbh? I don't see him carrying barcelona like rivaldo (messi is carrying that team..) and I don't see him winning major titles with brasil or carrying the NT against tough competition. Imo neymar << rivaldo tbh, neymar is just the only star player in brasil right now in this crazy marketing era.

Btw henry has absolutely no case over rivaldo, such an overrated player, just like ibrahimovic.

:lol son you trippin'... After 2002 goat shit now neymar not like < rivaldo but <<

Neymar is more talented than Rivaldo and it's not even remotely close. He carried Brazil more than Rivaldo ever carried Barcelona. Under Dunga period, Brazil was 100% dependant on Neymar, dude had a flue and the whole country was stopping breathing. Now in terms of career of course Neymar is not there yet but he is 24 y/o. Now we can compare both players at 24 y/o. At this age, Rivaldo was winning some titles in his domestic league and carried Brazil to bronze medal :lmao with, in this team, 23 y/o R Carlos, 19 y/o Ronaldo, Bebeto etc... give me a break. Ronaldo carried this nigga his whole career after that. At same age Neymar is winning La Liga, champions league and the gold medal at the olympics :lol ... and btw Neymar is doing fine when Messi is not playing too so yeah go ahead with your neymar << rivaldo :lol

On Henry whatever man... I fail to see how he is overrated but each with his own agenda I guess

[Kawhitstorm]

Neymar is doing fine when Messi is not playing too so yeah go ahead with your neymar << rivaldo :lol

Neybitch couldn't penetrate Atletico's defense w/ TWO top 5 Ballon d'Or finalist as his striking partners.:lmao

Griezmann is better that Neymar, tbh.:lol (He proved it playing in the same league w/ inferior teammates)

[Brazil]

Neybitch couldn't penetrate Atletico's defense w/ TWO top 5 Ballon d'Or finalist as his striking partners.:lmao

Griezmann is better that Neymar, tbh.:lol (He proved it playing in the same league w/ inferior teammates)

Im fine with that bra griezman > Neymar > rivaldo :tu

[Kawhitstorm]

Im fine with that bra griezman > Neymar > rivaldo :tu

If only Griezmann could convert penalties at better than 50% rate.:cry

Neybitch has to carry Barfa w/o McBitey & Missi before he could be mentioned in the same breath as Rivaldo.:wakeup

[Brazil]

If only Griezmann could convert penalties at better than 50% rate.:cry

Neybitch has to carry Barfa w/o McBitey & Missi before he could be mentioned in the same breath as Rivaldo.:wakeup

At 24 y/o rivaldo was carrying shit, he could not even carry the most stacked team in olympics history :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

At 24 y/o rivaldo was carrying shit, he could not even carry the most stacked team in olympics history :lol

The '94-'98 Nigerian squad is the GOAT African team & could have won the WC if it was held in '96, tbh.

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They beat an Argentinean squad in the Gold medal match that had Zanetti/Simeone/Crespo/Ortega/Claudio Lopez/Ayala. Brazil couldn't handle Kanu/Okocha/Amokachi/Ikpeba without Cafu/Dunga & Babayaro ran a train on Roberto Carlos.:lol

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Neybitch lost to Mexico who almost got KO'd by Senegal in the QF & Griezmann choked on his own soil against Portugal whom most argue had no business being in the Finals.:lmao

[spursistan]

Neymar would have been Mario Jardel status with NT in any other Brazilian soccer era..

Comparing him with Rivaldo :lmao..

[Brazil]

The '94-'98 Nigerian squad is the GOAT African team & could have won the WC if it was held in '96, tbh.

YYJkKN3pi6E

They beat an Argentinean squad in the Gold medal match that had Zanetti/Simeone/Crespo/Ortega/Claudio Lopez. Brazil couldn't handle Kanu/Okocha/Amokachi/Ikpeba without Cafu/Dunga & Babayaro ran a train on Roberto Carlos.:lol

UtZl_sq7kVA

Neybitch lost to Mexico who almost got KO'd by Senegal in the QF & Griezmann choked on his own soil against Portugal whom most argue had no business being in the Finals.:lmao

:lol ya go ahead and compare both squad... only time rivaldo was the alpha dog for Brazil nt he ended up with a bronze medal... spinning dat shit.., :cry but but Nigeria :cry but but okocha :cry I saw dude playing a bunch of his career you maybe right after all okocha >>> rivaldo :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol ya go ahead and compare both squad... only time rivaldo was the alpha dog for Brazil nt he ended up with a bronze medal... spinning dat shit.., :cry but but Nigeria :cry but but okocha :cry I saw dude playing a bunch of his career you maybe right after all okocha >>> rivaldo :lmao

Your boy Henry aka Rivaldo 2.0 didn't even win a medal as the alpha, Zidane had to come out of retirement to rescue the team. :lmao

[Brazil]

Neymar is more talented and it's not event close, if you don't see that you are a clown, he has probably more ball handling with his left foot than rivaldo both hands. At 24 y/o Neymar career > 24 y/o rivaldo career, nobody knows what career will be the best but at this age it's also not even close.

then I'm not sure why I bother tbh, kawhistorm and some others must be 20-25 y/o, in 96 they certainly were still shitting their pants :lol in b4 somebody explains to me by looking two vids and Wikipedia page who is jay jay okocha :lol

[Brazil]

Your boy Henry aka Rivaldo 2.0 didn't even win a medal as the alpha. :lmao

:lol that's a common thing with rivaldo but then he was not playing with Ronaldo bebeto and Roberto Carlos among others. But hiw would you know anyway you probably never saw rivaldo playing other than footage :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

:lol that's a common thing with rivaldo but then he was not playing with Ronaldo bebeto and Roberto Carlos among others. But at would you know anyway you probably never saw rivaldo playing other than footage :lol

Yeah he only had Viera/Makelele/Desailly/Thuram/Petit/Trezeguet/Wiltord & led the team to the :lolworst ever performance by a defending champion:lol at the '02 WC when Zidane was injured. :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

kawhistorm and some others must be 20-25 y/o, in 96 they certainly were still shitting their pants :lol in b4 somebody explains to me by looking two vids and Wikipedia page who is jay jay okocha :lol

I'm an 80s baby son, I grew up watching Futbol when Ajax was running shyt w/ Nigerian talent & folks barely knew who Zidana/Ronaldo were outside of France/Brazil.:toast

[diego]

I don't think even Brazilians would put the 02 team in their top 3. That team needed penalties awarded outside the box and redcards from flops just to beat turkey, the playmaking was poor and the defense a bunch of stiffs. Imo, the weakest of all the brasil champ teams.

Still better than 2010 Spain, I agree with that

[Brazil]

Yeah he only had Viera/Makelele/Desailly/Thuram/Petit/Trezeguet/Wiltord & led the team to the :lolworst ever performance by a defending champion:lol at the '02 WC when Zidane was injured. :lmao

duh I was talking about olympics... that was the aim of the post... try to keep up... you were talking about medal

[Brazil]

I'm an 80s baby son, I grew up watching Futbol when Ajax was running shyt w/ Nigerian talent & folks barely knew who Zidana/Ronaldo were outside of France/Brazil.:toast

early 80's or final 80's ?

I'm born end of 70s. This period of Okocha, Nigeria, olympics 96, Rivaldo era, Ronaldo etc... was the period I watched the most sport in my life, from 15 to 22/23 I was hard core sport fan: foot, rugby, nba (when possible), tennis, you name it, I almost quit studying to play rugby... I was reading l'equipe everyday back in those days. I've seen for instance tons of games of Okocha era (I was in Paris) with Ali Benardia (big up to Lefty), Vampeta (the Brazilian faggot with a mustache :lol) we were calling him Vampetoune, Anelka, Laurent Robert :lol

so yeah I know quite a bit of this period

[lefty]

Fuck Benarbia tbh

[lefty]

And if we are going to talk about Algerian players in PSG, let's talk about Mustapha Dahleb, one of the PSG GOATS

[Canyonero]

He wasn't a regular in Brazil's NT but from that era I remember Djalminha. That nigga's dribbling was insane.

[Kawhitstorm]

duh I was talking about olympics... that was the aim of the post... try to keep up... you were talking about medal

Henry couldn't even win a game let alone get to the medal match.:lol

[Kawhitstorm]

early 80's or final 80's ?

'86, the year of the God! (c) Rakim


I'm born end of 70s. This period of Okocha, Nigeria, olympics 96, Rivaldo era, Ronaldo etc... was the period I watched the most sport in my life, from 15 to 22/23 I was hard core sport fan: foot, rugby, nba (when possible), tennis, you name it, I almost quit studying to play rugby... I was reading l'equipe everyday back in those days. I've seen for instance tons of games of Okocha era (I was in Paris) with Ali Benardia (big up to Lefty), Vampeta (the Brazilian faggot with a mustache :lol) we were calling him Vampetoune, Anelka, Laurent Robert :lol

Then you should be aware that Africans were running futbol at that time, Weah was the best player in the world when Ronaldo/Zidane were just starting to make a name for themselves.

[Brazil]

'86, the year of the God! (c) Rakim



Then you should be aware that Africans were running futbol at that time, Weah was the best player in the world when Ronaldo/Zidane were just starting to make a name for themselves.

Yes I'm pretty aware they had a lot of talents but Kanu and Jayjay are nowhere close to be weah my point being Nigeria had a great team in 96 but it was not some sort of goat olympics squad. At the end 24 y/o Rivaldo lead Brazil failed to win this olympic tournament with a pretty stacked team: 23 y/o Carlos, 32 y/o bebeto, dat Savio who played for Bordeaux (good player), 19 y/o Ronaldo... a bunch of this team played at least once in France btw while Neymar won it.

'86 so yeah you were pretty young in 96 :lol

[Brazil]

Fuck Benarbia tbh

why the hate bra ? :lol He fucked up in selection or something ?

[Brazil]

And if we are going to talk about Algerian players in PSG, let's talk about Mustapha Dahleb, one of the PSG GOATS

:lol I was a bit young to know him well but yeah he is IIRC top 3 or 5 top PSG scorers

[lefty]

:lol I was a bit young to know him well but yeah he is IIRC top 3 or 5 top PSG scorers
Nobody can top Daniel Bravo as the PSG goat though






I mean scapegoat

[Kawhitstorm]

Yes I'm pretty aware they had a lot of talents but Kanu and Jayjay are nowhere close to be weah my point being Nigeria had a great team in 96 but it was not some sort of goat olympics squad. At the end 24 y/o Rivaldo lead Brazil failed to win this olympic tournament with a pretty stacked team: 23 y/o Carlos, 32 y/o bebeto, dat Savio who played for Bordeaux (good player), 19 y/o Ronaldo... a bunch of this team played at least once in France btw while Neymar won it.


Why don't we look at the '94 WC, Nigeria could EASILY have been in the Gold medal match if they didn't stop their relentless attack against Italy instead subbing in holding MFs after Amuneke/Amokachi got injured. That's what you get for having a European coach::bang

Add to that a young in-form Kanu/Ikpeba + Babayaro/West from the '96 squad & Jay-Jay/Olishi/Finidi who were just entering their primes in '96::wow That team would run a train on Brazil's defense (especially Carlos/Cafu being too adventurous) & only France would have had the athlete/discipline in '96 w/ the likes Desailly/Thuram/Vieira to quell their vicious counterattacks.

The '98 version of the Flying Eagles was a bootleg version as the two bulls (Amuneke/Amokachi) were out of commission due to injury & Yekini was washed up. Kanu also had the heart issue which forced him to sitout for essentially 2 years & was completely out of form.

You could say all you want about Jay-Jay but his style fit the NT perfectly b/c he was unstoppable in the open field & Nigeria's style was making runs to create havoc instead of playing Tiki-Taka since they were athletical superiror than everyone they played. That's the only team where Ronaldo didn't look like a man among boys, tbh.:lol (Why doesn't Ronaldo as the best young player in the world get blamed for being shutout in the semis when Kanu at the same age scored a brace to beat a "loaded" Brazil squad?:lol)
A senior edition of Brazil-Nigeria would have been the match to make in '96 but alas the U-23 rule cockblocked.:pctoss

[Brazil]

^ I had forgot about Kanu heart condition tbh... he was a very talented player. Don't get me wrong I love jayjay he was a fan favorite in Paris. France is blessed with African players tbh my two favorites were weah of course and abedi pele. I hate marseille but they had such an amazing roster, the era of papin, pele and waddle... such great memories tbh I miss those old times, the mozer, Francescoli, tigana... the Paille cantona of Montpellier god good stuff

[Brazil]

Nobody can top Daniel Bravo as the PSG goat though






I mean scapegoat

:lol

[lefty]

why the hate bra ? :lol He fucked up in selection or something ?
Took his sweet time before joining the NT.

[Brazil]

:cry but but Giroud is talentless scrub :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffJVEvDUeKI

[Brazil]

:lol yesterday's football fans

[apalisoc_9]

Giroud is like the 9th best player for Arsenal? Why is that nogga getting any recognition? Its like the equivalent of white american priviliage in the NBA.

[dfens]

happy new year to all my niggas tbh

https://twitter.com/ToniKroos/status/815334139142533120/photo/1

https://yt3.ggpht.com/-b7TzNa0cQkk/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/dHwEpvQTJ70/s900-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg (https://twitter.com/ToniKroos/status/815334139142533120/photo/1)

[lefty]

dfens is late :lol

[140]

:cry but but Giroud is talentless scrub :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffJVEvDUeKI
:lol hmu when he leads a team to a WC title

[140]

happy new year to all my niggas tbh

https://twitter.com/ToniKroos/status/815334139142533120/photo/1

https://yt3.ggpht.com/-b7TzNa0cQkk/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/dHwEpvQTJ70/s900-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg (https://twitter.com/ToniKroos/status/815334139142533120/photo/1)
https://scontent-gru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15871775_1829169110687286_8294527013341210916_n.jp g?oh=4613e77958fe48c5357fd0505195c18d&oe=58E528C0


:toast

[lefty]

:lol people thinking Giroud is good all of sudden because he finally scored a goal

[apalisoc_9]

:lol people thinking Giroud is good all of sudden because he finally scored a goal

White people...

[Brazil]

:lol hmu when he leads a team to a WC title

:cry talentless scrub :cry

[140]

:cry talentless scrub :cry
:lol hmu when he wins a ballon d'or

[Brazil]

When my nigg dfens go nuclear on a :lol Rivaldo bycicle... "this is the most perfect and aesthetic bicycle kick I have ever seen, it has power, placement, demarcation, sublime chest control..." Brazilian niggas posters are like slurp slurp slurp

when it is dat scrub Giroud who not only made the most perfect and aesthetic scorpion ever but started the action with a beautiful deviation it is "hmu"

:cry but but Giroud is white and tall and has a werid look, did not win a WC, never played for Barça and has never been carried by prime Ronaldo... :cry

[lefty]

Rivaldo is Rivaldo

Giroud well ....is a Giroud

[140]

When my nigg dfens go nuclear on a :lol Rivaldo bycicle... "this is the most perfect and aesthetic bicycle kick I have ever seen, it has power, placement, demarcation, sublime chest control..." Brazilian niggas posters are like slurp slurp slurp

when it is dat scrub Giroud who not only made the most perfect and aesthetic scorpion ever but started the action with a beautiful deviation it is "hmu"
Ok son, it was a great goal tbh. Happy?

Still doesn't make your comparison any less ridiculous though :lol


:cry but but Giroud is white and tall and has a werid look, did not win a WC, never played for Barça and has never been carried by prime Ronaldo... :cry
:lmao

[Brazil]

Ok son, it was a great goal tbh. Happy?

Still doesn't make your comparison any less ridiculous though :lol


:lmao

:lol less triggered than expected but still

[140]

:lol

[dfens]

When my nigg dfens go nuclear on a :lol Rivaldo bycicle... "this is the most perfect and aesthetic bicycle kick I have ever seen, it has power, placement, demarcation, sublime chest control..." Brazilian niggas posters are like slurp slurp slurp

when it is dat scrub Giroud who not only made the most perfect and aesthetic scorpion ever but started the action with a beautiful deviation it is "hmu"

:cry but but Giroud is white and tall and has a werid look, did not win a WC, never played for Barça and has never been carried by prime Ronaldo... :cry

son giroud is the reason why france still hasn't got hardware in this millennium tbh. Giroud and that monkey pogba tbh :lol

[Brazil]

son giroud is the reason why france still hasn't got hardware in this millennium tbh. Giroud and that monkey pogba tbh :lol

:lol son if you believe that you have not paid attention tbh

btw it seems monkey pogba is finally playing good iforManU

[lefty]

Remember when France won the Euro with Giroud and not Benzema?


It was awesome tbh

[dfens]

:lol son if you believe that you have not paid attention tbh

btw it seems monkey pogba is finally playing good iforManU

son I agree, I am TBH amazed by pogba tbh. A truly amazing year, after helping portugal ring he is leading another underdog, fighting for that 6th place in the toughest league the world :wow anybody can beat anybody on any night :wow they might even make the UCL with that cheap roster and that unheralded coach :wow:wow:wow truly remarkable tbh. :wow not since kobe's 00s lakers have I seen such a young player leading a team. :wow

[Brazil]

son I agree, I am TBH amazed by pogba tbh. A truly amazing year, after helping portugal ring he is leading another underdog, fighting for that 6th place in the toughest league the world :wow anybody can beat anybody on any night :wow they might even make the UCL with that cheap roster and that unheralded coach :wow:wow:wow truly remarkable tbh. :wow not since kobe's 00s lakers have I seen such a young player leading a team. :wow

They are getting better son, they are on a 7 wins in a row and yes Pogba is playing good lately, that is a fact :lol

[Brazil]

:lol also Kobe never lead a team other than to failure tbh

[DAF86]

https://scontent-grt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15665423_1150375245081208_7129789979199291787_n.jp g?oh=6609dc4130710cf387de9029bec02c75&oe=58D919C1

Happy 2017, tbh.

[lefty]

holy fuck that's so late :lol

[DAF86]

For like 3 days.

[lefty]

For like 3 days.
The Internet is too fast tbh

[DAF86]

Wasn't posted here, tbh.

[140]

:lol check page 3 tbh

[dfens]

Wasn't posted here, tbh.

my nigga tbh :toast

[Brazil]

Wasn't posted here, tbh.

:lol yes it was

[Canyonero]

Hey guys


happy 20BrazilGermany

[Brazil]

Hey guys


happy 20BrazilGermany

:lol

[apalisoc_9]

As usual, Internet in Poor Argentina takes three days to load..

[DAF86]

Sorry sons new year's celebrations were tough on me, tbh. :oops

[lefty]

:lol

[dfens]

As usual, Internet in Poor Argentina takes three days to load..

son give this nigga a break, they're probably not working till 1st of february in argentina tbh. :lol

[dfens]

:lol also Kobe never lead a team other than to failure tbh

son I am a true kobe fan, there has never been (and never will be) a player to make me laugh so much tbh, just look at his accomplishments:
crying his way out of the whorenets
Rape during the playoffs
ratting shaq out of town
getting embarassed by lebeta h2h
but trying extra hard in the all star game
getting emasculated by a skinny tayshaun prince
getting cucked by a retired mailman
gettin thrown out by vanessa
"you wasn't with me in the gym"
50 points on 60 shots in his last game
countless retards calling him top 3
can't even father a son
spurstalk gold moments
losing by 40 in the finals
all time brick record
25% clutch all the time on the last shot
1 v 5 basketball
spawned a whole generation of inbred idiots which I can cuck just by posting up on two fucked knees

the gift that keeps on giving tbh. :toast imo easily the most influential player since jordan tbh :lol

[Brazil]

son I am a true kobe fan, there has never been (and never will be) a player to make me laugh so much tbh, just look at his accomplishments:
crying his way out of the whorenets
Rape during the playoffs
ratting shaq out of town
getting embarassed by lebeta h2h
but trying extra hard in the all star game
getting emasculated by a skinny tayshaun prince
getting cucked by a retired mailman
gettin thrown out by vanessa
"you wasn't with me in the gym"
50 points on 60 shots in his last game
countless retards calling him top 3
can't even father a son
spurstalk gold moments
losing by 40 in the finals
all time brick record
25% clutch all the time on the last shot
1 v 5 basketball
spawned a whole generation of inbred idiots which I can cuck just by posting up on two fucked knees

the gift that keeps on giving tbh. :toast imo easily the most influential player since jordan tbh :lol

:lol fully agree... one of my all time favorite tbh