Gasol is the biggest reason why the spurs start so Poor.. [Archive]

apalisoc_9

12-06-2016, 10:41 PM

And Porker to a lesser extent.

What should pop do so she dosent opt in of his contract?

I'm a strong advocate of letting Pau get his Stats so he opts out...He's going to be a even bigger waster of 15 million dollars when he turns 38 next year. Timmy didnt even get paid that much at the tail end of his career.

TheGreatYacht

12-06-2016, 10:42 PM

Laprosy: 21 minutes, 2ast, 3TO, -15

BatManu20

12-06-2016, 10:45 PM

apalisoc_9

12-06-2016, 10:47 PM

I knew his performance last night was fools gold...

At his contract and role though 1 good game out of 10 is really all you need.

Amuseddaysleeper

12-06-2016, 10:49 PM

His defense is just so terrible at this age that there's really no way of disguising. I imagine Dedmon is going to continue to eat a ton of his minutes so long as he stays healthy. Our interior defense/rebounding is night and day when he's in compared to when Pau is. Wish we could mold them into one player tbh.

Not only is his defense terrible, what makes it more frustrating is that he can obviously defend better than he can now, it's just that he just puts in ZERO effort. I mean there are breakaways where Gasol is keeping up with the opposing player only for him to not even attempt to block the shot or foul. Simply run with the guy and give him a free layup. It's like he's scared to foul. Might be the worst defensive big in SA history, just shocking and appalling that someone whose height alone should help at least to alter shots and grab rebounds doesn't even put his god damn hands up.

Horse

12-06-2016, 11:07 PM

He seems to not fit well with the starters but there are nights he carries us for stretches offensively.

tholdren

12-06-2016, 11:15 PM

Not only is his defense terrible, what makes it more frustrating is that he can obviously defend better than he can now, it's just that he just puts in ZERO effort. I mean there are breakaways where Gasol is keeping up with the opposing player only for him to not even attempt to block the shot or foul. Simply run with the guy and give him a free layup. It's like he's scared to foul. Might be the worst defensive big in SA history, just shocking and appalling that someone whose height alone should help at least to alter shots and grab rebounds doesn't even put his god damn hands up.

What the hell man? Have you watched Gaysol ever? He's a European. He's not high intensity D. He's a smart player, but he's never been great at defense. Who thought he was anything more than a big body? Not me. He was semi shitty the last pretend Spurs signing. The issue with Pau is he doesn't have drive. He's a slow, white, 7 footer. Is what it is .

Amuseddaysleeper

12-06-2016, 11:20 PM

What the hell man? Have you watched Gaysol ever? He's a European. He's not high intensity D. He's a smart player, but he's never been great at defense. Who thought he was anything more than a big body? Not me. He was semi shitty the last pretend Spurs signing. The issue with Pau is he doesn't have drive. He's a slow, white, 7 footer. Is what it is .

No, it's also a remarkable lack of effort. Never thought he was a good defender, but could he defend better than he is now by putting in the tiniest bit of effort? Absolutely. He doesn't even attempt to challenge shots 90% of the time. It's obviously a big reason why Pop benches him as often as he does.

TimDunkem

12-06-2016, 11:23 PM

Maybe he's just dogging it a little knowing his tired ass can't keep up 100% effort through the whole season...

Arcadian

12-06-2016, 11:24 PM

Start Dedmon. And also start Mills. Start your best players. If a grown man can't handle being benched, he can go fuck himself.

Play Boban

12-06-2016, 11:31 PM

Who cares? It's the regular season. MVGasol will carry our head of the snake in the postseason just like he carried Porker's idol Kobe to two titles.

coachmac87

12-06-2016, 11:33 PM

Terrible Thread

coachmac87

12-06-2016, 11:37 PM

The reason for "slow starts" is because Parker, Kawhi and LMA are individual players who truly have a tough time getting others involved and can only really get shots for themselves on a consistent basis...Danny Green can't create or dribble to save his life as well

Honestly Gasol is probably the best in the SL at getting looks for others tbh either in the high post or on the low block passing out of double teams..Gasol isn't the one to blame and you can't blame his defense because the offense is the issue when it comes to the SL not the defense

coachmac87

12-06-2016, 11:39 PM

No, it's also a remarkable lack of effort. Never thought he was a good defender, but could he defend better than he is now by putting in the tiniest bit of effort? Absolutely. He doesn't even attempt to challenge shots 90% of the time. It's obviously a big reason why Pop benches him as often as he does.

Biggest issue with Gasol on defense is he never shows his hands...as a player with tremendous length it's a shame that's the case but sometimes players have a tough time moving their feet while showing their hands..

DeRozan m8

12-07-2016, 01:26 AM

We need to off load Gasol at the end of the season and pay Dedmon tbh

Dedmon is the future

Kawhitstorm

12-07-2016, 01:30 AM

Kawhitstorm

12-07-2016, 01:33 AM

He's going to be a even bigger waster of 15 million dollars when he turns 38 next year. Timmy didnt even get paid that much at the tail end of his career.

Pau can at least score even if he's 38 unlike Porker who has a cancerous contract similar to 40yr old Nash.

itzsoweezee

12-07-2016, 01:41 AM

Gasol would be effective against bench players.

A starting frontcourt of LMA, Dedmon, and Kawhi would be amazing.

100%duncan

12-07-2016, 01:54 AM

I wasn't really ecstatic when we signed him while every spurs fan friend I had on FB were rejoicing.

-21-

12-07-2016, 03:26 AM

I think we're stuck with him unfortunately. Best-case scenario is he accepts a bench role, which is also a longshot.

james evans

12-07-2016, 10:09 AM

I say move that soft fucker to the bench and start Dedmond. Pau doesn't even attempt to block most shots coming in the paint. He just stands there looking stupid.

james evans

12-07-2016, 10:10 AM

Pau can at least score even if he's 38 unlike Porker who has a cancerous contract similar to 40yr old Nash.
welp, expect him to a get a Kobe severance package after this bullshit contract is up next season. Probably around 17 or 18 million

Dre_7

12-07-2016, 10:16 AM

Start Dedmon and bring Pau off the bench! Parker is fine as long as they have a rim protector in there, which Pau definitely is not.

Joseph Kony

12-07-2016, 11:54 AM

I think benching Pau would be for the best, it would allow him to play more with Manu/Patty/Simmons to get him better looks as he would be the focal point of the bench offense. Even bringing him in at the 6 minute mark just so Dedmon can set the tone defensively would be great. I don't think Pau is the biggest reason spurs start slow because they had a habit of doing the same last year but their defense was incredible and allowed them to stay close when their offense was struggling. the problem is the Spurs have no real penetrators/playmakers in the SL forcing a lot of iso action and when the miss the first couple shots you might as well pencil the spurs in for another 15 point first quarter, imo

Spurs9

12-07-2016, 12:10 PM

I definitely think starting Dedmon would improve our starting lineup, he brings the energy from the start.

ceperez

12-07-2016, 12:56 PM

Regular season folks... Gasol is old and cannot step up every game.

Relax

dabom

12-07-2016, 01:11 PM

Regular season folks... Gasol is old and cannot step up every game.

Relax

I believe this. He has an extra gear we haven't seen it. But why waste it in the regular season?

Kawhitstorm

12-07-2016, 01:12 PM

Start Dedmon and bring Pau off the bench! Parker is fine as long as they have a rim protector in there, which Pau definitely is not.

I don't think y'all get it, the offense was an abortion against the Magic/Bucks when Porker was on the floor.:wakeup

He has the WORST offensive rating among the starters by a MILE: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2017.html#per_poss::28

Dre_7

12-07-2016, 01:31 PM

I don't think y'all get it, the offense was an abortion against the Magic/Bucks when Porker was on the floor.:wakeup

He has the WORST offensive rating among the starters by a MILE: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2017.html#per_poss::28

And defensively where does both Tony and Pau rank??? At this time, we don't need Parker's offense that much, but Pau's defense has been awful!

Solid D

12-07-2016, 01:36 PM

Gasol is a vital cog in the new first-half "rope-a-dope" strategy employed by the Spurs. After the bench makes their appearance a time or two, the Spurs come out of their cocoon along the ropes and start fighting.

Amuseddaysleeper

12-07-2016, 01:42 PM

And defensively where does both Tony and Pau rank??? At this time, we don't need Parker's offense that much, but Pau's defense has been awful!

The biggest issue I have with Gasol is that his offensive output doesn't make up for his lack of defense.

Kawhitstorm

12-07-2016, 02:01 PM

And defensively where does both Tony and Pau rank??? At this time, we don't need Parker's offense that much, but Pau's defense has been awful!

If Dedmon is going to start then Patty has to start since Kawhi can't drive & LMA can't postup w/ TWO non-shooters on the floor. Pau should be fine in a Kanter role & Porker is better off having a secondary playmaker like Manu rather than a spotup shooter like Danny at this point of his career.

We also wouldn't have to see those tragic post-feeds Danny tries to execute w/ LMA that eventually turn into a tragic two-man game since Patty can do that job unlike a non-shooter like Porker. Danny would just have to camp in the strongside corner like Bowen while Kawhi acts like a release valve.

Pop isn't going to bring Porker/Pau off the bench but hopefully he plays those line-ups for the majority of the game after their ceremonial start in the 1st & 3rd quarter.

Dre_7

12-07-2016, 02:11 PM

The biggest issue I have with Gasol is that his offensive output doesn't make up for his lack of defense.

:tu

Dre_7

12-07-2016, 02:16 PM

If Dedmon is going to start then Patty has to start since Kawhi can't drive & LMA can't postup w/ TWO non-shooters on the floor. Pau should be fine in a Kanter role & Porker is better off having a secondary playmaker like Manu rather than a spotup shooter like Danny at this point of his career.

We also wouldn't have to see those tragic post-feeds Danny tries to execute w/ LMA that eventually turn into a tragic two-man game since Patty can do that job unlike a non-shooter like Porker. Danny would just have to camp in the strongside corner like Bowen while Kawhi acts like a release valve.

Pop isn't going to bring Porker/Pau off the bench but hopefully he plays those line-ups for the majority of the game after their ceremonial start in the 1st & 3rd quarter.

I don't see Pop benching Parker, but I could see him benching Pau. Especially if Dedmon continues to play the way he is on the defensive end.

dabom

12-07-2016, 02:19 PM

I don't know if ya know this but Pau is the only one that keeps actively keeping the ball in Kawhi's hand more than anyone else on the team. He might not be scoring much, but he is helping Kawhi score.

Kawhitstorm

12-07-2016, 02:45 PM

I don't see Pop benching Parker, but I could see him benching Pau. Especially if Dedmon continues to play the way he is on the defensive end.

Stubborn Pop doesn't change line-ups during the regular season, Blair was starting over Shitter in 2012.:lol

Kawhitstorm

12-07-2016, 02:46 PM

dabom

12-07-2016, 02:58 PM

Pau has been trained by Kirby to defer to Alphas.:lol

Which is a good thing. We get to see aggressive Kawhi.

YGWHI

12-07-2016, 03:00 PM

It seems that someone on Pau's camp is doing the job getting favorable narrative and hiding his weakness on D...Hilarious.

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Dre_7

12-07-2016, 03:38 PM

Stubborn Pop doesn't change line-ups during the regular season, Blair was starting over Shitter in 2012.:lol

He has changed starting lineups in the past. It doesn't happen often but if it were to happen I could see it being Dedmon for Pau due to Pop's love of defense. Probably won't happen, but I can hope.

TheGreatYacht

12-07-2016, 03:43 PM

Danny Green needs a good benching, tbh. Start Juice for a couple of games

Kawhitstorm

12-07-2016, 03:49 PM

He has changed starting lineups in the past. It doesn't happen often but if it were to happen I could see it being Dedmon for Pau due to Pop's love of defense. Probably won't happen, but I can hope.

Maybe in the playoffs but I don't see him benching Pau in the regular season when he didn't want to bench Blair despite the defense being mediocre even w/ Timmay.

Dre_7

12-07-2016, 03:54 PM

Maybe in the playoffs but I don't see him benching Pau in the regular season when he didn't want to bench Blair despite the defense being mediocre even w/ Timmay.

Very true, but I don't remember Splitter playing as well as Dedmon is that year. And they had Timmy still so perhaps Pop didn't feel like he needed another defensive big??

I don't know. Just trying to give myself hope I guess. :lol I am sure something drastic would have to happen for Pop to make that change.

Kawhitstorm

12-07-2016, 03:59 PM

Danny Green needs a good benching, tbh. Start Juice for a couple of games

Danny is a low-energy player that's not suited for a bench role, Juice is the energizer bunny & his open-court game would suffer if he had to play a drag-out half-court offense w/ the Pau/LMA frontline.

If the team had a starting PG we wouldn't be having this discussion....:wakeup

SAGirl

12-07-2016, 04:27 PM

It seems that someone on Pau's camp is doing the job getting favorable narrative and hiding his weakness on D...Hilarious.

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Definitely promoting Pau out of all of the new additions... but since he was the big FA acquisition, I guess it makes sense.
It was still a good promotional video. The part about empathy with each other stood out to me. It's my favorite Pop philosophy that guys have to enjoy each other's success, company and encourage each other.
:toast
:claw

SAGirl

12-09-2016, 08:17 PM

I am not sure if it's just Gasol the reason for the poor starts.

Here is what Pop said after the loss at Chicago:

"We played 24 minutes again, as we have for about the last 10 games," Popovich said. "We go through the motions in the first half. I think we shot one free throw in the first half. We shot four or so the second half. But we played harder in the second half. I don't know if we played much smarter. Our opponents have outplayed us physically and execution-wise in most first halves for most of the season. So now we pull it together in the second half and played harder and smarter and got it to [a] four[-point deficit].
"That's the disappointing part: We're not a very consistent team, and we haven't learned as a group that the game is 48 minutes. We also have some people playing very poorly. You have to participate in your own recovery. Some players have to play better."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18240801/gregg-popovich-says-san-antonio-spurs-players-played-24-minutes-again-loss-chicago-bulls

He doesn't mention any names but it's obvious he thinks there are guys who just flat out need to play better and help their own case.
:stirpot:

YGWHI

12-09-2016, 11:46 PM

The part about empathy with each other stood out to me. It's my favorite Pop philosophy that guys have to enjoy each other's success, company and encourage each other.

Sure. But the lack of chemistry between some players makes me think about if these guys really want to play together, if they really enjoy other's success.

Obviously, having 7 new players on the team doesn't help to the team chemistry early in the season, but I guess that also happens when they sign guys who didn't grow up as players in Spurs culture and have been the opposite in their careers, like something related to the 'diva attitude'.

Since this thread is about Gasol, he repeatedly complained about his few shots, how hard he has to work to get them, praising rival's guards who give his big men good looks...

When we heard Tim or Kawhi throwing their teammates under the bus in public?

I mean, Tim, Parker and Manu, the Big 3 lived all their careers in a sense of Spurs environment...That was a huge part on their success.

Sadly they can't repeat it anymore.