Russians threw the election?

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol

Even if they did hack and publish the emails...

We got to read the real facts without any media filter. I think it's hilarious that hard cores like Boo and Reck are incensed by FACTS being published that gave people more information before they voted.

I assume from their outrage that they would prefer fewer FACTS and just have voters rely on candidate and media spin.

How dare they let people know what was really going on with our elections! :lol

[Spurminator]

Hypothetically speaking, if the Russians had exclusively leaked information about Trump, would you have had this same attitude towards it?

[Clipper Nation]

All this hysteria and still no iron-clad, undeniable proof that the Russians "hacked" anything at all. The liberals who peddle this drivel are almost as bad as the Pizzagate nutjobs.

[boutons_deux]

what are the facts?

Kinda weird that Wikileaks only released cracks of Dems, nothing about the Repugs.

Did wikileaks have Repug cracks, too, but refused to release them, or did the Russian crackers only crack Dem systems?

Germans are saying Russians are dicking with their election, too.

I think the Russian are less probable influencers, corrupters than the Repugs, eg, in Michigan with Repug judges shutting down the recount, so many fucked up machines, anomalies in black areas, etc, etc.

In fact, the whole Russian angle could be a Repug/Russian smokescreen hiding Repug counting fraud, voting machines diddling.

[Spurminator]

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[Clipper Nation]

Kinda weird that Wikileaks only released cracks of Dems, nothing about the Repugs.

WikiLeaks released Palin's emails in 2008 with no outrage from the left. They also leaked 44 years' worth of diplomatic cables, which naturally included some from Republican administrations. It's only when they go after Democrats that the conspiracies start flying.

[Clipper Nation]

Germans are saying Russians are dicking with their election, too.

"Russian interference" is the radical left's latest excuse to avoid admitting to themselves how unpopular and out-of-touch they've become. It's not a surprise that other countries run by loony leftists are now using the same excuse.

[boutons_deux]

WikiLeaks released Palin's emails in 2008 with no outrage from the left.

Palin wasn't the candidate. Where was the outrage from the Repugs?

[TeyshaBlue]

Doesn't matter who did what first. Stop the playground shit and realize any foreign involvement in a sovereign election is a shit storm on the horizon.

[Spurminator]

The liberals who peddle this drivel are almost as bad as the Pizzagate nutjobs.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Washington Post's CIA sources are more credible than 4chan's sources.

[Clipper Nation]

Palin wasn't the candidate. Where was the outrage from the Repugs?

She was on the ticket. Where was the outrage from Democrats? Or does your concern for fair elections with no interference only work one way?

[boutons_deux]

She was on the ticket. Where was the outrage from Democrats? Or does your concern for fair elections with no interference only work one way?

pitbull bitch wasn't the candidate, she was the "bucket of warm piss". Were any crimes exposed? or just her shakedown of RNC for her wardrobe?

Did Dems launch multiple Congressional committees to investigate, hype, FOR YEARS, pitbull bitches' "crimes"?

[pgardn]

"Russian interference" is the radical left's latest excuse to avoid admitting to themselves how unpopular and out-of-touch they've become. It's not a surprise that other countries run by loony leftists are now using the same excuse.

It does not matter what the Democrats or the left think.

It still needs to be looked into. We know the Chinese stole a bunch of industry stuff.
Do you think it's a big forget about it hoax?

[Wild Cobra]

WikiLeaks released Palin's emails in 2008 with no outrage from the left. They also leaked 44 years' worth of diplomatic cables, which naturally included some from Republican administrations. It's only when they go after Democrats that the conspiracies start flying.

They are naturally hypocritical. Should be part of their slogans.

[Rust Cohle]

Kinda weird that Wikileaks only released cracks of Dems, nothing about the Repugs.

Did wikileaks have Repug cracks, too, but refused to release them

No, it's all just a coincidence. Assange then asking Trump to pardon him from rape charges is a completely unrelated coincidence too.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Doesn't matter who did what first. Stop the playground shit and realize any foreign involvement in a sovereign election is a shit storm on the horizon.
Be wise if our own government would stop being involved first.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Washington Post's CIA sources are more credible than 4chan's sources.
Don't make me repost the intercept article again :lol

[Rust Cohle]

Don't make me repost the intercept article again :lol

I feel like someone else will be demanding a repost behind the scenes. Dolla dolla bill yall!

[Nbadan]

Is Trump a Russian "asset"?

A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump


In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump's dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project's financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) "It started off as a fairly general inquiry," says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, "there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit."

On Friday, FBI Director James Comey set off a political blast when he informed congressional leaders that the bureau had stumbled across emails that might be pertinent to its completed inquiry into Hillary Clinton's handling of emails when she was secretary of state. The Clinton campaign and others criticized Comey for intervening in a presidential campaign by breaking with Justice Department tradition and revealing information about an investigation—information that was vague and perhaps ultimately irrelevant—so close to Election Day. On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid upped the ante. He sent Comey a fiery letter saying the FBI chief may have broken the law and pointed to a potentially greater controversy: "In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government…The public has a right to know this information."

Reid's missive set off a burst of speculation on Twitter and elsewhere. What was he referring to regarding the Republican presidential nominee? At the end of August, Reid had written to Comey and demanded an investigation of the "connections between the Russian government and Donald Trump's presidential campaign," and in that letter he indirectly referred to Carter Page, an American businessman cited by Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers, who had financial ties to Russia and had recently visited Moscow. Last month, Yahoo News reported that US intelligence officials were probing the links between Page and senior Russian officials. (Page has called accusations against him "garbage.") On Monday, NBC News reported that the FBI has mounted a preliminary inquiry into the foreign business ties of Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chief. But Reid's recent note hinted at more than the Page or Manafort affairs. And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump—and that the FBI requested more information from him.

"This is something of huge significance, way above party politics," the former intelligence officer says. "I think own party should be aware of this stuff as well."
Does this mean the FBI is investigating whether Russian intelligence has attempted to develop a secret relationship with Trump or cultivate him as an asset? Was the former intelligence officer and his material deemed credible or not? An FBI spokeswoman says, "Normally, we don't talk about whether we are investigating anything." But a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government.er and his material deemed credible or not? An FBI spokeswoman says, "Normally, we don't talk about whether we are investigating anything." But a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US governmen.


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump

[Spurminator]

How dare they let people know what was really going on with our elections! :lol

Hmm...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html

[boutons_deux]

CIA says Russia favored Trump

The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election

to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system,

according to officials briefed on the matter.

Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who

provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others,

including Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials.

Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton's chances.

"It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia's goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected," said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators.

"That's the consensus view."

President Barack Obama's administration has been debating for months how to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions, with White House officials concerned about escalating tensions with Moscow and being accused of trying to boost Clinton's campaign.

In September, during a secret briefing for congressional leaders, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Kentucky) voiced doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to officials present.

The Trump transition team did not respond to a request for comment.

http://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/CIA-says-Russia-favored-Trump-10787047.php

... and then there's the Repug operative James Comey.

[Mitch]

Is Trump a Russian "asset"?

Asset only in the way he's going to put an end to this retarded cold war sentiment politicians give Russian, tbh

[TheSanityAnnex]

I feel like someone else will be demanding a repost behind the scenes. Dolla dolla bill yall!
I feel like you'll stop using this account in less than a month.

[Wild Cobra]

The Trump transition team did not respond to a request for comment.

http://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/CIA-says-Russia-favored-Trump-10787047.php

... and then there's the Repug operative James Comey.





Why should they?

Everyone know SFGate is a lying liberal rag. Why legitimize it as if it matters what they say?

Notice how well sourced it is not...

Please find us the source for this:


The U.S. intelligence community has said the hacks on the emails of the DNC were carried about by Russian agents

[Spurminator]

Why should they?

Everyone know SFGate is a lying liberal rag. Why legitimize it as if it matters what they say?

Notice how well sourced it is not...

Please find us the source for this:

You have some catching up to do.

[Wild Cobra]

You have some catching up to do.

I have little concern for all the BS thrown around during elections, especially when it isn't root sourced.

Do you have proof it is so?

Link please.

[Thread]

He can't take a phone call from Taiwan without being threatened with WW3, yet we can drag Russia thru the shit for months on end and nary a fear.

Just shows ta go ya.

And that fuck in the WH, and that fuck's coward wife. You are both on your way. And there ain't one thing you can do it about. Buh, bye.

[boutons_deux]

NSA CHIEF: A nation-state made a 'conscious effort' to sway the US presidential election

Nov. 16, 2016, 1:16 PM



The leader of the National Security Agency says there shouldn't be "any doubt in anybody's mind" that there was "a conscious effort by a nation-state" to sway the result of the 2016 presidential election.

Adm. Michael Rogers, who leads both the NSA and US Cyber Command, made the comments during a conference (https://twitter.com/i/web/status/798647324687929344) presented by The Wall Street Journal in response to a question about WikiLeaks' release of nearly 20,000 internal emails (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html?_r=0) from the Democratic National Committee.

"There shouldn't be any doubt in anybody's mind,"

Rogers said. "This was not something that was done casually. This was not something that was done by chance. This was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily.

This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect."

Rogers did not specify the nation-state or the specific effect, though US intelligence officials say

they suspect Russia provided (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/russia-us-election/) the emails to WikiLeaks after hackers stole them from DNC servers and the personal email account of Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta.

At least two different hacker groups associated with the Russian government

were found inside the networks of the DNC over the past year reading emails, chats, and downloading private documents. Many of those files were later released by WikiLeaks.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-chief-nation-state-swayed-president-election-2016-11

[Wild Cobra]

He can't take a phone call from Taiwan without being threatened with WW3, yet we can drag Russia thru the shit for months on end and nary a fear.

Just shows ta go ya.

And that fuck in the WH, and that fuck's coward wife. You are both on your way. And there ain't one thing you can do it about. Buh, bye.

I have seen all kinds of remarks implying it was Russia, but none from legitimate sources explicitly saying it was Russia.

The pundits however then claim an assumption as fact.

You know who the idiots are when they believe facts not in evidence.

[Thread]

bouts, runnin' just as fast as he can.

tee, hee.

[Rust Cohle]

I feel like you'll stop using this account in less than a month.
Hopefully you find more honorable employment, like maybe selling crack or giving out handjobs.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l41lFvtuqmey9QTAY/giphy.gif

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-chief-nation-state-swayed-president-election-2016-11




That is not fact when even in your link it explicitly says: "The CIA believes that Russia intentionally meddled in the US election specifically to help Donald Trump win."

[mavsfan1000]

Hopefully we get to Jan 20th before Obama starts war with Russia with these bogus accusations.

[Wild Cobra]

Hopefully we get to Jan 20th before Obama starts war with Russia with these bogus accusations.

I think Putin will ask Obama to be his court jester.

Putin isn't going to go to war over such stupid nonsense.

[Rust Cohle]

You know who the idiots are when they believe facts not in evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc

[Spurminator]

That is not fact when even in your link it explicitly says: "The CIA believes that Russia intentionally meddled in the US election specifically to help Donald Trump win."

You called out the SFGate for being a liberal rag and asked for a source.

This is the source. You don't believe this is worth the media's time to investigate?

[boutons_deux]

‘He’s trying to undercut’ US intel: WaPo reporter hits Trump Team’s response on Russian interference

Washington Post political reporter Philip Bump Friday hit the Donald Trump transition team’s response to reports that Russia interfered with the U.S. election in an effort to help him win the presidency, arguing Trump is attempting “to undercut the validity of the sourcing” for those reports.

A Post article released Friday revealed that

the consensus among intelligence agency officials (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/secret-cia-analysis-nails-russia-for-trying-to-help-trump-win-wapo/) is that Russia’s interference wasn’t simply to stoke distrust in the US electoral process, but to actively try and get Trump elected.

Trump has repeatedly shrugged off reports of Russian interference, suggesting the reports are a partisan attempt to muddy his win in the electoral college.

Friday evening, the Trump transition team released a statement, dismissing the intelligence reports and insisting, it’s time to “move on.” :lol

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/hes-trying-to-undercut-us-intel-wapo-reporter-hits-trump-teams-response-on-russian-interference/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Wild Cobra]

You called out the SFGate for being a liberal rag and asked for a source.

This is the source. You don't believe this is worth the media's time to investigate?

That is it for a source?

Well...

How many things do I believe, turn out to be fact, in your opinion?

[Thread]

& the fuck in the WH is even totin' up Isis kills. LOL. Over 50,000!

Couldn't get him to own up to even 1 till Trump kicked his ass.

[Spurminator]

That is it for a source?

Well...

How many things do I believe, turn out to be fact, in your opinion?

It may or may not turn out to be fact. That's why the media is reaching out to involved parties to ask questions. This is how things work.

The factuality ratio of your beliefs is irrelevant.

[boutons_deux]

That is it for a source?

Well...

How many things do I believe, turn out to be fact, in your opinion?

AGW? :lol you're totally DESTROYED by AGW FACTS.

you career vets have real problems with cognition? PTSD? other brain damage?

[Wild Cobra]

It may or may not turn out to be fact. That's why the media is reaching out to involved parties to ask questions. This is how things work.

The factuality ratio of your beliefs is irrelevant.

Well, once the media got involved, the facts will never be found. Or at least are very unlikely. Whomever did hack them has likely crawled back into the shadows. Leaking the information was a bad move for someone wanting to find the truth, so apparently, the propaganda was more important than the fact finding.

[Wild Cobra]

AGW? :lol you're totally DESTROYED by AGW FACTS.

you careet vets have real problems with cognition? PTSD? other brain damage?

So would you agree that if it was a fact, that they wouldn't have used the word "believe?"

[DMC]

& the fuck in the WH is even totin' up Isis kills. LOL. Over 50,000!

Couldn't get him to own up to even 1 till Trump kicked his ass.

I read 50 billion were killed. No body count but them's the estimates by people on the front lines like Amanpour.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It may or may not turn out to be fact. That's why the media is reaching out to involved parties to ask questions. This is how things work.
in certain cases sure, some not so much.

[boutons_deux]

Russia withheld hacked RNC emails to help Trump’s campaign: report

A report affirming the intelligence community’s consensus that Russia hacked the U.S. election in an attempt to sway the results in favor of Donald Trump was bolstered Friday by a conclusion that Russians hacked the Republican National Committee—then sat on the information.

“We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents” from the RNC, one senior administration official told the Times.

The Times writes:

“In briefings to the White House and Congress, intelligence officials, including those from the C.I.A. and the National Security Agency, have identified individual Russian officials they believe were responsible. But none have been publicly penalized.”


A report released Friday by the Washington Post (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/secret-cia-analysis-nails-russia-for-trying-to-help-trump-win-wapo/) revealed a CIA assessment concluded Russia’s interference in the election was prompted not by a desire to undermine the U.S. electoral system, but to specifically elevate Trump to the presidency.

Despite the evidence, Trump—along with other Republican leaders—insist there is no evidence (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/hes-trying-to-undercut-us-intel-wapo-reporter-hits-trump-teams-response-on-russian-interference/)supporting the conclusion that the Russians hacked the election in order to help elect Trump.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/russia-withheld-hacked-rnc-emails-to-help-trumps-campaign-report/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[DMC]

So would you agree that if it was a fact, that they wouldn't have used the word "believe?"

Not necessarily. It can be a fact and be unproven. It depends on how you approach epistemology. If you don't know it to be fact, you shouldn't call it a fact, but it could still be a fact if you don't consider facts to be known truths.

[Wild Cobra]

Not necessarily. It can be a fact and be unproven. It depends on how you approach epistemology. If you don't know it to be fact, you shouldn't call it a fact, but it could still be a fact if you don't consider facts to be known truths.

Sure it could be fact. I doubt it, but it could be. Don't you think it's irresponsible to make such accusations?

[DMC]

Sure it could be fact. I doubt it, but it could be. Don't you think it's irresponsible to make such accusations?

It depends on the goal. It would be irresponsible to not make them if the goal included misleading folks.

It's so much easier to understand things if you don't put yourself in the picture.

[mavsfan1000]

Gotta love fake news.

[z0sa]

All this hysteria and still no iron-clad, undeniable proof that the Russians "hacked" anything at all. The liberals who peddle this drivel are almost as bad as the Pizzagate nutjobs.

Fuck Russia still though. Obama really pussed out against Putin and co. Not saying I even care about Ukraine at all. Just that every Russian dictator for 500 years plays the exact same play (look tough and suppress any domestic dissent) from the exact same playbook (we are too big and shitty to occupy and if 10, 20, 30 million of our own ppl die in x war, well, wont be the first time).

Russia has never been ahead of the curve in any fashion. A large chunk of their 10k shitty nukes probably would blow up before exiting the potato farm.

[Wild Cobra]

It depends on the goal. It would be irresponsible to not make them if the goal included misleading folks.

It's so much easier to understand things if you don't put yourself in the picture.

I agree, but that gets hard to do at times. I do attempt such things, and sometimes fail. I clearly see there are those who either cannot, or choose not to try to see past their bias.

[boutons_deux]

"Obama really pussed out against Putin"

Macho man, what would you have done "against Putin" in Ukraine?

I guess you have manspreaded like Pootin? that's being real tough.

Do you know it was US/EU that got the Ukraine nazis to overthrow the Ukraine guy who was a Putin puppet? that the overthrow caused Pootin to push into Ukraine, take Crimea?

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/

Nuland is married to neocon extremist Kagan, who founded, with ALWAYS-WRONG Billy Kristol, neocon PNAC that lied USA into Iraq for oil?

[DMX7]

Hypothetically speaking, if the Russians had exclusively leaked information about Trump, would you have had this same attitude towards it?

I can answer that for you. Hell no, he wouldn't.

[pgardn]

I can answer that for you. Hell no, he wouldn't.

And there are people on this site an elsewhere that would drop it if Hillary had won. The good thing is the intelligence agencies have not. This clearly needs to be looked into. This could be a major problem. It already has been with other countries (China, North Korea). We got goofball trumpets that want to look the other way.

[pgardn]

Well, once the media got involved, the facts will never be found. Or at least are very unlikely. Whomever did hack them has likely crawled back into the shadows. Leaking the information was a bad move for someone wanting to find the truth, so apparently, the propaganda was more important than the fact finding.

So exactly how do you obtain information on events you are not there to witness?

THE MEDIA...

What fkn cowards way of giving up. How do you even know information was leaked...? THE MEDIA.

THE MEDIA, is the media that does not fit your worldview.

[DMC]

I agree, but that gets hard to do at times. I do attempt such things, and sometimes fail. I clearly see there are those who either cannot, or choose not to try to see past their bias.

Once you realize that news outlets are profit driven businesses paid by click count you can understand that anything that creates sensationalism increases profit.

[Wild Cobra]

Once you realize that news outlets are profit driven businesses paid by click count you can understand that anything that creates sensationalism increases profit.

I've known that for decades. That's a primary reason why so many stories are a mix of fact and fiction.

[z0sa]

"Obama really pussed out against Putin"

Macho man, what would you have done "against Putin" in Ukraine?

I guess you have manspreaded like Pootin? that's being real tough.

Do you know it was US/EU that got the Ukraine nazis to overthrow the Ukraine guy who was a Putin puppet? that the overthrow caused Pootin to push into Ukraine, take Crimea?

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/

Nuland is married to neocon extremist Kagan, who founded, with ALWAYS-WRONG Billy Kristol, neocon PNAC that lied USA into Iraq for oil?

I specifically said i dont care about Ukraine shillbot.

The Cold war coukd basically be described in 1 sentence as: JFK called Kruschev's bluff and the Soviet Union never found its balls again.

World War 2: 30 million dead, coldest winter in a century IE who cares hiw many serfs die, youll never occupy this arctic wasteland

WW1: Hindenburg calls Czar's bluff, Russian Empire never finds its balls again.

2010s: Obama sanctions Russian and Ukrainian serfs to no effect. Let's Russia intervene and dictate Syrian conflict. Hillary fucking Clinton understands said playbook better than O in her call for no fly zone.

Trump's buddy buddy shit is more disturbing than anything; indeed, i find it more alarming than any other major issue how the roles of the 99% are increasingly service related. I see increasing ecomonic serfdom (of a 21st century variety) as the greatest and yet most invisible and least understood threat to Americans' futures.

[Spurminator]

Greenwald nails it as usual:
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

[angrydude]

Because the MSM has such a great track record


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L80zhmUyRWc

[DMC]

I've known that for decades. That's a primary reason why so many stories are a mix of fact and fiction.

The click count concept only came about in the past decade.

[mavsfan1000]

I specifically said i dont care about Ukraine shillbot.

The Cold war coukd basically be described in 1 sentence as: JFK called Kruschev's bluff and the Soviet Union never found its balls again.

World War 2: 30 million dead, coldest winter in a century IE who cares hiw many serfs die, youll never occupy this arctic wasteland

WW1: Hindenburg calls Czar's bluff, Russian Empire never finds its balls again.

2010s: Obama sanctions Russian and Ukrainian serfs to no effect. Let's Russia intervene and dictate Syrian conflict. Hillary fucking Clinton understands said playbook better than O in her call for no fly zone.

Trump's buddy buddy shit is more disturbing than anything; indeed, i find it more alarming than any other major issue how the roles of the 99% are increasingly service related. I see increasing ecomonic serfdom (of a 21st century variety) as the greatest and yet most invisible and least understood threat to Americans' futures.
We got a warhawk here. Lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fair elections seems a lost notion to resident right wingers.

[IceColdBrewski]

Sorry, but the liberal media doesn't have any room to complain about another entity promoting one candidate over another. They've been in Hillary's pocket since day one and did all they could to trash Trump and get her elected. Now were supposed to listen to them complain about hacked emails, that may have been provided by Russians, were used to level the playing field a bit? Sorry, don't care. Absolutely zero fucks given.

[DMC]

With these kind of things, the details aren't worth following. When I need to do something, someone will make it apparent and then I'll think about it. Before then it's just corporate driven "yellow" journalism hoping to ensnare viewers.

[DMC]

Fair elections seems a lost notion to resident right wingers.

Platitudes seem to be the only thing the left have these days.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

DMC dodging the point with his typical facile deflections.

[Clipper Nation]

DMC bitch-slapping butthurt liberals as usual.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

CN on queue with his facile posturing.

[Clipper Nation]

FaggyBlumpkins digging through his thesaurus to properly express his butthurt.

[Spurminator]

Sorry, but the liberal media doesn't have any room to complain about another entity promoting one candidate over another.

Since when is it every media outlet's responsibility to equally promote 2 candidates? At what point is one candidate objectively a worse choice than the other, and if so, is it the responsibility of the media to ignore that?

"I'm okay with a hostile foreign government influencing* the election of a steaming turd because the liberal media favored the steaming turd's opponent."

That's kind of stupid, all due respect.


*allegedly

[DMC]

DMC dodging the point with his typical facile deflections.

:claw

[Spurminator]

I would argue that the media's focus, whether intended or not, actually gave Trump a leg up. Most of their coverage was focused on whatever Trump said that offended their Manhattan-centric standards and other things that Middle America didn't ultimately care about.

[Wild Cobra]

The click count concept only came about in the past decade.

I mean media profits. Sorry I didn't specify.

[mavsfan1000]

The media tried to brainwash the viewers. It did work to some extent. Hillary did win the popular vote. But ultimately, the best candidates won by concentrating on swing states intensely.

[Wild Cobra]

The media tried to brainwash the viewers. It did work to some extent. Hillary did win the popular vote. But ultimately, the best candidates won by concentrating on swing states intensely.

I don't think those crying about the popular vote are smart enough to recognize that simple truth. If the election was about popular vote, Trump's strategy would have been different, and he most likely still would have won.

[CosmicCowboy]

hmmmm....so you guys would have rather not known that the DNC fucked over Bernie Sanders?

[spursistan]

Having a weird feeling one of Trump/Putin will get taken out by deep state actors in both countries in next 4 years (coup/assassination/impeachment etc..)..this shit is just getting started..

[Axl Rose]

Having a weird feeling one of Trump/Putin will get taken out by deep state actors in both countries in next 4 years (coup/assassination/impeachment etc..)..this shit is just getting started..
They touch him and we will burn it all to the fucking ground. this isn't the 1960s where they can sweep an assassination under the rug. It'll get drug out into the light and they'll be put down like dogs

[boutons_deux]

"we will burn it all to the fucking ground"

:lol you dickless tiny punk, you won't do shit, other than Macho Man fakery on Internet

[CosmicCowboy]

"we will burn it all to the fucking ground"

:lol you dickless tiny punk, you won't do shit, other that Macho Man fakery on Internet

:lol

Look who's talking!

:lmao hypocrisy at it's finest!

[Warlord23]

The Republican party has come full circle this election

After years of criticising Obama for being soft on Russia, making excuses for a Russian puppet because he pretends to be on their team
After years of posing as the party of national security, slamming the NSA and CIA because they pointed to Putin being Chump's puppet-master
After years of slamming the Dems on the national debt, cheering the Orange Calf's tax giveaways and spending plans
After years of espousing small government and free markets, rooting for crony capitalism and government intervention

Just change the party symbol to hammer and sickle already

[boutons_deux]

Trump trashes CIA, dismisses evidence that Russia helped him win presidency


Trump said (https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-thinks-top-u-s-officials-politicized-evidence-of-russian-election-interference-be3dec111bd6#.cold19r5p) this week, as he has said for months, that the intelligence community’s findings were politicized and that he doubts Russia was behind the hacks. Hearing Trump’s denial, retired general Michael Hayden, who ran the CIA for much of George W. Bush’s second term, said (http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/09/technology/trump-russia-hackers-cia/index.html):

“To have the president-elect of the United States simply reject the fact-based narrative that the intelligence community puts together because it conflicts with his a priori assumptions. Wow. The data matters. He continues to reject the Russians did it… and claims that it was politicized intelligence.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzSD-YMW8AAl0vn.jpg


https://thinkprogress.org/russia-intervened-in-the-2016-campaign-with-the-goal-of-electing-trump-cia-says-c492422a1a0d#.v8na2a4c9

:lol
The Repugs are blaming the CIA/NSA for the LIES from dubya, dickhead, feith, rummy, condi, etc to invade Iraq for BigOil?
:lol

Repugs really depend on your Repug assholes being ignorant, stupid, gullible fuckheads.

[boutons_deux]

Founding Fathers Say Russia Election Interference Means Electoral College Must Reject Trump


The Russian election interference for Trump is grounds for the Electoral College to reject the Republican candidate according to Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 68.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/10/founding-fathers-russia-election-interference-means-electoral-college-reject-trump.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[boutons_deux]

Harry Reid: ‘New Edgar Hoover’ FBI head Comey needs to resign and be investigated for hiding Russian hacks

Saturday morning, outgoing Senate Minority leader Harry Reid said FBI Director James Comey should resign immediately and face a full Justice Department investigation for sitting on information that showed the Russians were interfering with the 2016 presidential election.

the Nevada Democrat said the recent revelation by the CIA that they have had evidence for some time now that Russian hackers were trying to pave the way for a Trump presidency was something Comey was aware of — but kept from the American public.

Asked if he believed that Comey had the information and withheld it, Reid answered, “That is true,” while also referring him the “new J. Edgar Hoover.”

“This is not fake news.

Intelligence officials are hiding connections to the Russian government. There is no question,”

Reid said.

“Comey knew and deliberately kept this info a secret,”

Reid also called upon the U.S. Senate to launch an investigation into Comey’s actions before the election.

“I think he should be investigated by the Senate. I think he should be investigated by other agencies in the government, including the security agencies,” Reid said, before bluntly adding, “If ever there was a matter of national security, it is this.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/harry-reid-new-edgar-hoover-fbi-head-comey-needs-to-resign-and-be-investigated-for-hiding-russian-hacks/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

The Media Didn’t Listen When Hillary Clinton Warned Russia Was Interfering In The Election

During the third presidential debate in October, Secretary Hillary Clinton told 71.6 million viewers about Russia's interference with the U.S. election, on Donald Trump's behalf.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/10/october-hillary-clinton-told-71-6-million-viewers-russias-interference-election.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[boutons_deux]

Senate Dem Leader: Intel Community Must Hand Over Info On Russian Hacking

The incoming Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) called for a congressional investigation into Russian interference in the U.S. election, and said it was "imperative" that the intelligence community handed over relevant information. His statement comes after the Washington Post reported Friday (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_russiahack-745p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.718d0a8d7a5b) that a secret CIA assessment found that Russian actors had sought to boost President-elect Donald Trump over his opponent, Hillary Clinton.

“Reports of the CIA’s conclusion that Russia actively sought to help elect Donald Trump are simultaneously stunning and not surprising, given Russia’s disdain for democracy and admiration for autocracy.

The silence from Wikileaks and others since election day has been deafening,"

Schumer said.

"That any country could be meddling in our elections should shake both political parties to their core.

Senate Democrats will join with our Republican colleagues

next year ?? WTF ???

to demand a congressional investigation and hearings to get to the bottom of this.

It’s imperative that our intelligence community turns over any relevant information so that Congress can conduct a full investigation.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/schumer-intel-community-must-hand-over-info-on-russian-hacking?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

McConnell gave Russia the green light, refused to sign on to protecting election (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/10/1609468/-McConnell-gave-Russia-the-green-light-refused-to-sign-on-to-protecting-election)

With Russia identified as the agent behind DNC email break-in, the prime suspect in carrying out thefts of private emails from Democratic insiders, and actively trying to do more, President Obama put out a call for a bipartisan agreement to protect the election (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?postshare=9861481330662724&tid=ss_tw) from Russian hacking.


In a secure room in the Capitol used for briefings involving classified information,

administration officials broadly laid out the evidence U.S. spy agencies had collected, showing Russia’s role in cyber-intrusions in at least two states and in hacking the emails of the Democratic organizations and individuals.

And they made a case for a united, bipartisan front in response to what one official described as “the threat posed by unprecedented meddling by a foreign power in our election process.”


Democrats were quick to sign on.

The Democratic leaders in the room unanimously agreed on the need to take the threat seriously.


But there were

at least two Republicans who wouldn’t agree. Chief among them, the Republican Majority Leader in the Senate.

According to several officials, McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence

and made clear to the administration that

he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.


Why would a US Senator refuse to join in an agreement to secure an American election? Because McConnell had something to gain.

Mitch McConnell followed exactly the same line as Donald Trump, proclaiming the evidence insufficient and claiming that even talking about the involvement of a foreign power that had broken into the email server of an American political party and distributed select pieces of that email for political purposes was “partisan.”

What did McConnell get for toeing the Trump line?

After the election, Trump chose McConnell’s wife, Elaine Chao, as his nominee for transportation secretary.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/10/1609468/-McConnell-gave-Russia-the-green-light-refused-to-sign-on-to-protecting-election?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[Warlord23]

Trump's national security briefings must be hilarious to listen in to. He's publicly stated that he doesn't believe the intelligence guys - what kind of decisions can he take if he doesn't believe the agencies reporting to him? The CIA must be praying that he gets bored and he hands this off to Ivanka while he goes around the country doing rallies and real estate deals.

[CosmicCowboy]

hmmmm....so you guys would have rather not known that the DNC fucked over Bernie Sanders?

[boutons_deux]

"DNC fucked over Bernie Sanders"

Don't need Russians to tell me that.

Bernie is not a Dem, no way DNC/Clinton machine would let him be the candidate.

[boutons_deux]

"Russian interference" is the radical left's latest excuse to avoid admitting to themselves how unpopular and out-of-touch they've become. It's not a surprise that other countries run by loony leftists are now using the same excuse.

unpopular? Hillary won the POPULAR vote by nearly 3M. :lol

[hater]

Russians dont respect Obomba or Shitler. They seem to respect Trump thou

[DMC]

The media tried to brainwash the viewers. It did work to some extent. Hillary did win the popular vote. But ultimately, the best candidates won by concentrating on swing states intensely.

Put random face in GOP slot, random face in DNC spot and the vote will divide similar to how it did in this election. Give that face some unique qualities like being black or Hispanic, female or "rebel" and the vote can swing a little one way or the other. Put media on full bore bias one way or other and it can have small effects, negative or positive. Mostly, it's a party line thing which is why 3rd party folks really don't have much of a chance.

[boutons_deux]

"DNC fucked over Bernie Sanders"

Don't need Russians to tell me that.

Bernie is not a Dem, no way DNC/Clinton machine would let him be the candidate.

The entire point of Dems creating superdelegates was to rig the candidacy against any more McGovern or Carter outsiders.

[DMC]

Trump's national security briefings must be hilarious to listen in to. He's publicly stated that he doesn't believe the intelligence guys - what kind of decisions can he take if he doesn't believe the agencies reporting to him? The CIA must be praying that he gets bored and he hands this off to Ivanka while he goes around the country doing rallies and real estate deals.

He's not much different than other POTUSes except he reveals his thoughts publicly while others don't.

[boutons_deux]

He's not much different than other POTUSes

Trash is extremely ABnormal, but keep trying to normalize him.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

We're going to be homies again

http://www.readingthepictures.org/files/bush-putin-truck-708652.jpg

[DMC]

Trash is extremely ABnormal, but keep trying to normalize him.

You're extremely abnormal. Trump is very common. You'd find more people like him than like Pence.

[florige]

You're extremely abnormal. Trump is very common. You'd find more people like him than like Pence.

He is common normal person. His actions have shown so far that he will be an abnormal POTUS.

[Reck]

You're extremely abnormal. Trump is very common. You'd find more people like him than like Pence.

How many gulps of cum are you willing to swallow, guy?

You're on a roll.

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/2TlDvMZ.jpg

[pgardn]

Resident conservatives don't believe that accuracy can be profitable.

No, if media is profit driven, it's got to be pure entertainment. Like this is some new idea. Yet they spout stats and facts from THE MEDIA, A large made up boogie man of convenience. Guess we need state run RT news.

[DMC]

He is common normal person. His actions have shown so far that he will be an abnormal POTUS.

Which is what "change" means, I believe.

[DMC]

How many gulps of cum are you willing to swallow, guy?

You're on a roll.

Pretty sure you're the least hetero person on this forum.

[Reck]

Pretty sure you're the least hetero person on this forum.

How long did it take you to come up with that, DMC?

You're a proven loser.

[DMC]

How long did it take you to come up with that, DMC?

You're a proven loser.

Says the one who was so cucked it changed its user name from shadowflames.

[Reck]

Says the one who was so cucked it changed its user name from shadowflames.

Cucked? With what?

You're an imbecile. This is the name I used to go by when I originally joined the board and I simply wanted to go by it again.

[Thread]

[b]Sorry, but the liberal media doesn't have any room to complain about another entity promoting one candidate over another. They've been in Hillary's pocket since day one and did all they could to trash Trump and get her elected. Now were supposed to listen to them complain about hacked emails, that may have been provided by Russians, were used to level the playing field a bit? Sorry, don't care. Absolutely zero fucks given.

This

[Thread]

[[["These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the Trump transition team said in a statement.]]]

That's a gotcha moment. How the fuck does that feel?

[angrydude]

[[["These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the Trump transition team said in a statement.]]]

That's a gotcha moment. How the fuck does that feel?

It's almost like the CIA is full of spies who literally lie for a living.

[Warlord23]

[[["These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," the Trump transition team said in a statement.]]]

That's a gotcha moment. How the fuck does that feel?

You tell us how it feels to repeat Trump/Breitbart bullshit with zero critical thinking. The CIA report on Saddam's WMD mentioned that while Iraq had the ability to produce chemical weapons, they also mentioned that they didn't have proof that Iraq actually possessed WMD. The Bush administration left out some of these caveats and produced an exaggerated version which was sent to Congress. Of course, Fox News and Breitbart don't mention these little tidbits, so morons like you repeat Trump's tweets and talking points like it's the gospel truth.

Thus article contains the full report if you're interested, although I suspect you quite like the alternate reality that you inhabit.
http://www.businessinsider.in/Heres-the-full-version-of-the-CIAs-2002-intelligence-assessment-on-WMD-in-Iraq/articleshow/46628731.cms

[Thread]

You tell us how it feels to repeat Trump/Breitbart bullshit with zero critical thinking. The CIA report on Saddam's WMD mentioned that while Iraq had the ability to produce chemical weapons, they also mentioned that they didn't have proof that Iraq actually possessed WMD.

Though it was gospel when it was uttered back then. Now? Now you want to play around with it.

Uh, uh, no. It was gospel then, and by God, it's gospel now.

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

It's almost like the CIA is full of spies who literally lie for a living.

They made their own bed when they allowed this fuck in the WH to politicize them & their agencie(s). I've no sympathy for them.

[Thread]

Having a weird feeling one of Trump/Putin will get taken out[b] by deep state actors in both countries in next 4 years ([b]coup/assassination/impeachment etc..)..this shit is just getting started..

This

Borderline inevitable.

[Thread]

Reid also called upon the U.S. Senate to launch an investigation into Comey’s actions before the election.

“I think he should be investigated by the Senate. I think he should be investigated by other agencies in the government, including the security agencies,” Reid said, before bluntly adding, “If ever there was a matter of national security, it is this.”

And like the full review that that fuck in the WH ordered this investigation(s) must be finished & delivered BEFORE 20 January 2017.

Chop/chop.

You couldn't get this POTUS to do a fuckin' thing before Hillary got her fat ass beat, but, he's gone to dervish mode since then. Doin' ISIS body counts, not taking vacation, running around like a mad man---addressing military formations in front of the American flag(s), not taking vacation, furiously denying that there are millions of illegals voting in this country...yeah, before Hillary got her fat ass beat he urged illegals to vote---since Hillary got beat? No more snickers & smirks, no more wink & nods. Comes right out and denies it, like a good American.

The hump.

[Thread]

& ain't it keen how nobody gives a good shit about what's in those emails that the Russians leaked. Oh, no, just WHO leaked 'em.

ha.

[Warlord23]

Though it was gospel when it was uttered back then. Now? Now you want to play around with it.

Uh, uh, no. It was gospel then, and by God, it's gospel now.

Let us proceed...

It was gospel according to Bush and his neocon buddies and we had no choice but to believe it. Now that the CIA report has been declassified, everyone has access to it. Read it and try being honest for a change.

[Thread]

It was gospel according to Bush and his neocon buddies and we had no choice but to believe it. Now that the CIA report has been declassified, everyone has access to it. Read it and try being honest for a change.

It wasn't Bushs' report, it was the CIA's report. You ain't passing the buck here. No.

[pgardn]

How did we find out both the CIA and the British got Saddams bragging dead wrong? And that they in a way exaggerated each other's reports in a dangerous feedback?


Oh.

THE MEDIA.

What a bunch of conservative dumb cucks...

[Wild Cobra]

It wasn't Bushs' report, it was the CIA's report. You ain't passing the buck here. No.

But didn't you know?

They also think its Bush's fault that Katrina hit.

Bush is to blame for everything. They must think he's an evil God!

[Axl Rose]

How did we find out both the CIA and the British got Saddams bragging dead wrong? And that they in a way exaggerated each other's reports in a dangerous feedback?


Oh.

THE MEDIA.

What a bunch of conservative dumb cucks...
Conservatives have above replacement level birth rates, we still fuck our women unlike you perverted little cuckold creeps. Go whack it in the corner while Jamal plows your wife and Malcom x plays in the background

[DMC]

Cucked? With what?

You're an imbecile. This is the name I used to go by when I originally joined the board and I simply wanted to go by it again.

It changed its username twice. double cucked

[Reck]

It changed its username twice. double cucked

You're making so much sense fatass.

[Axl Rose]

B-but muh fat hands

[DMC]

You're making so much sense fatass.

I never changed my user name to some World of Warcraft character and you did. This we know. You are speculating as to my weight.

[Axl Rose]

I thought when our panzers smashed through the blue wall your ass scurried off vowing not to return to this forum?

[Axl Rose]

Also not to mention your predictions were so laughably off tbat
youre a joke around here now, just the little forum bitch boy

[Reck]

I never changed my user name to some World of Warcraft character and you did. This we know. You are speculating as to my weight.

World of Warcraft? :lol

You're exposing yourself, faggot.

[Reck]

Also not to mention your predictions were so laughably off tbat
youre a joke around here now, just the little forum bitch boy

Why are you posting through an alt? Talk about being a bitch.

[DMC]

World of Warcraft? :lol

You're exposing yourself, faggot.

Are you denying it?

[DMC]

Why are you posting through an alt? Talk about being a bitch.

lol you just admitted you changed your name twice. Are you using your real name here? If not, then it's an alt.

[Axl Rose]

Why are you posting through an alt? Talk about being a bitch.
Why are you posting period? Your faggot ass vowed to leave forever in shame. Remember when you laughed in my face about Minnesota being a swing state? What was the final margin, 1%? Get on your knees

[Reck]

Are you denying it?

Am I denying what? You must be mistaking me for someone else.


lol you just admitted you changed your name twice. Are you using your real name here? If not, then it's an alt.

I didn't change my name twice. Reck is the name I registered here with first.

[Reck]

Why are you posting period? Your faggot ass vowed to leave forever in shame. Remember when you laughed in my face about Minnesota being a swing state? What was the final margin, 1%? Get on your knees

I gave the deserving posters props like rtm and ducks.

You have always been a pussy for even posting with an alt.

And why are you talking about Minnesota still? He didn't win it so you were still wrong.

[Axl Rose]

I gave the deserving posters props like rtm and ducks.

You have always been a pussy for even posting with an alt.

And why are you talking about Minnesota still? He didn't win it so you were still wrong.
I wasn't wrong because I said it had become a swing state which it was along with the rest of "muh blue wall." You calling a pussy is ironic for many reasons, first you're a numale cuckold by virtue of being a male Hillary supporter and two you didn't even have the balls to stand by your word and leave. You came back groveling and resumed the prostrate position like a good little masochist bitch.

[pgardn]

Conservatives have above replacement level birth rates, we still fuck our women unlike you perverted little cuckold creeps. Go whack it in the corner while Jamal plows your wife and Malcom x plays in the background

Do you still have your kayak?

[Axl Rose]

Do you still have your kayak?
I don't own one? That's an odd statement to make

[Reck]

I wasn't wrong because I said it had become a swing state which it was along with the rest of "muh blue wall." You calling a pussy is ironic for many reasons, first you're a numale cuckold by virtue of being a male Hillary supporter and two you didn't even have the balls to stand by your word and leave. You came back groveling and resumed the prostrate position like a good little masochist bitch.

How's the foresking quest going?

[Wild Cobra]

It changed its username twice. double cucked

Why do you care?

[Axl Rose]

How's the foresking quest going?
Stay eternally cucked, we WON

[Reck]

Stay eternally cucked, we WON

This just goes to show how much of a loser you are. And by you I mean conservatives.

You're still miserable even in victory. You're melting down, calling people out for no reason. Your insecurities have been noticed.

[Wild Cobra]

This just goes to show how much of a loser you are. And by you I mean conservatives.

You're still miserable even in victory. You're melting down, calling people out for no reason. Your insecurities have been noticed.
Don't paint us all with such a broad stroke.

[Axl Rose]

I have plenty of reason to call you out, you ran your smug fucking mouth for over a year and it was all wrong. Then you said that you were leaving and yet for some reason you're still here?

[Reck]

I have plenty of reason to call you out, you ran your smug fucking mouth for over a year and it was all wrong. Then you said that you were leaving and yet for some reason you're still here?

I said I was going to post upstairs. I never said I was leaving the site.

Besides, the fact that I'm still here taking your shit and others for the loss says more about me than you. If I can dish it, I can take it.

Not a pussy. Like you. Post with your main.

[Axl Rose]

So then post upstairs and quit being a welching faggot on your own word, what other reason do you have to post other than because you enjoy hot loads on your face? We have big boy stuff to discuss here, see you in 8 years

[mavsfan1000]

& ain't it keen how nobody gives a good shit about what's in those emails that the Russians leaked. Oh, no, just WHO leaked 'em.

ha.
Yep. :lol it's like a criminal complaining about an illegal search.

[DMC]

Am I denying what? You must be mistaking me for someone else.



I didn't change my name twice. Reck is the name I registered here with first.

If you change your name to shadowflames, that's once. If you change it back (still a change) that's twice.

[DMC]

And no I'm not mistaking you for someone else. Your previous name was shadowflames. Do you deny that?

[DMC]

Why do you care?

Why do you ask?

[Wild Cobra]

Why do you ask?

I just think it's a silly squabble.

Are you two married?

[DMC]

I just think it's a silly squabble.

Are you two married?

Why does it matter what you think?

[spurraider21]

Yep. :lol it's like a criminal complaining about an illegal search.yes, which can be enough to have the evidence excluded

[HI-FI]

And like the full review that that fuck in the WH ordered this investigation(s) must be finished & delivered BEFORE 20 January 2017.

Chop/chop.

You couldn't get this POTUS to do a fuckin' thing before Hillary got her fat ass beat, but, he's gone to dervish mode since then. Doin' ISIS body counts, not taking vacation, running around like a mad man---addressing military formations in front of the American flag(s), not taking vacation, furiously denying that there are millions of illegals voting in this country...yeah, before Hillary got her fat ass beat he urged illegals to vote---since Hillary got beat? No more snickers & smirks, no more wink & nods. Comes right out and denies it, like a good American.

The hump.
Arn

[DMC]

yes, which can be enough to have the evidence excluded

In a court of law but not in the court of public opinion.

[spurraider21]

In a court of law but not in the court of public opinion.i'm pretty sure somebody facing criminal chargers would be more concerned with the court of law

[Reck]

And no I'm not mistaking you for someone else. Your previous name was shadowflames. Do you deny that?

And?

Didn't you asked me what that name meant a while back and I told you it has to do with NASCAR? You must be one stupid fuck to think I'm some random war of warcraft playing faggot. It also tells me you dont post in the Tech Forum, otherwise you would know I'm as much a PC gamer as you are skinny.

:cry Master race
:lol you trying to google me
:lol confirmed homosexual

[Wild Cobra]

Why does it matter what you think?

It doesn't, but I can't help but think the two of you are both applying for the Forum Jester position currently held by Boutons.

[DMC]

And?

Didn't you asked me what that name meant a while back and I told you it has to do with NASCAR? You must be one stupid fuck to think I'm some random war of warcraft playing faggot. It also tells me you dont post in the Tech Forum, otherwise you would know I'm as much a PC gamer as you are skinny.

:cry Master race
:lol you trying to google me
:lol confirmed homosexual

Nascar my asscar

[Reck]

Nascar my asscar

What am I talking about.

You were also the guy who thought I was a CIA agent or some shit. :lmao

Complete nutcase.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i'm pretty sure somebody facing criminal chargers would be more concerned with the court of law

Particularly when most people don't have to concern themselves with 'public opinion' as the press does not give a shit about them.

[mavsfan1000]

In a court of law but not in the court of public opinion.
This probably hurt their opinion of her the most.
https://youtu.be/TC0AKNQBV80

[boutons_deux]

A bipartisan group of senators just released a statement to Trump about Russian hacking

“For years, foreign adversaries have directed cyberattacks at America’s physical, economic, and military infrastructure, while stealing our intellectual property.

Now our democratic institutions have been targeted. Recent reports of Russian interference in our election should alarm every American,” read the statement, which was also co-signed by Senators Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island).

“Congress’s national security committees have worked diligently to address the complex challenge of cybersecurity, but recent events show that more must be done,” the statement continued.

“While protecting classified material, we have an obligation to inform the public about recent cyberattacks that have cut to the heart of our free society.

Democrats and Republicans must work together, and across the jurisdictional lines of the Congress, to examine these recent incidents thoroughly and devise comprehensive solutions to deter and defend against further cyberattacks.”

The statement comes on the heels of a bombshell CIA report (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html) claiming that the agency has verifiable evidence of Russian involvement in pre-election cyberattacks.

http://usuncut.com/politics/bipartisan-senators-trump-statement-russian-hacking/

[DMC]

i'm pretty sure somebody facing criminal chargers would be more concerned with the court of law

Hillary wasn't ever in court to defend herself because she was never brought up on charges.

[DMC]

What am I talking about.

You were also the guy who thought I was a CIA agent or some shit. :lmao

Complete nutcase.

No, I never thought you were a CIA agent.

[boutons_deux]

Hillary wasn't ever in court to defend herself because she was never brought up on charges.

... and even the Repugs, after 8 or more Repug witch hunt committees and many $Ms, couldn't find evidence to bring her into court.

And then their bogus Iraq hero Petraeus was vastly more guilty of violating NatSec and is still going strong (but is on probation, confined to NC)

[spurraider21]

Hillary wasn't ever in court to defend herself because she was never brought up on charges.which i guess makes that a poor comparison to bring up in the first place

[mavsfan1000]

... and even the Repugs, after 8 or more Repug witch hunt committees and many $Ms, couldn't find evidence to bring her into court.

And then their bogus Iraq hero Petraeus was vastly more guilty of violating NatSec and is still going strong (but is on probation, confined to NC)
Because she deleted them.

[CosmicCowboy]

Because she deleted them.

9Rha6Wamfp0

[Wild Cobra]

A bipartisan group of senators just released a statement to Trump about Russian hacking

“For years, foreign adversaries have directed cyberattacks at America’s physical, economic, and military infrastructure, while stealing our intellectual property.

Now our democratic institutions have been targeted. Recent reports of Russian interference in our election should alarm every American,” read the statement, which was also co-signed by Senators Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island).

“Congress’s national security committees have worked diligently to address the complex challenge of cybersecurity, but recent events show that more must be done,” the statement continued.

“While protecting classified material, we have an obligation to inform the public about recent cyberattacks that have cut to the heart of our free society.

Democrats and Republicans must work together, and across the jurisdictional lines of the Congress, to examine these recent incidents thoroughly and devise comprehensive solutions to deter and defend against further cyberattacks.”

The statement comes on the heels of a bombshell CIA report (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html) claiming that the agency has verifiable evidence of Russian involvement in pre-election cyberattacks.

http://usuncut.com/politics/bipartisan-senators-trump-statement-russian-hacking/




How accurate is that report, compared to the report the CIA gave president Bush before the Iraq war?

[boutons_deux]

How accurate is that report, compared to the report the CIA gave president Bush before the Iraq war?

As a UK official reported, the Iraq war "intelligence" as "fixed up" to fit the policy of invading Iraq for BigOil.

We also know dickhead visited CIA/NSA or whatever many times DEMANDING, BULLYING the data he wanted. And there was huge dissent with those agencies about the "evidence"

aluminum tubes?

curve ball?

Saddam did 9/11?

etc, etc, etc

ALL LIES from the Repug war criminals. Ms of people dead, maimed, displaced for BigOil and that Repug disaster is STILL in progress.

So you cherry pick the "evidence" for the Iraq war as true, irrefutable, but deny the evidence, no doubt to be delivered, from many agencies that Russians fucked with the election?

USA's imperial predation has FUCKED WITH dozens of countries internal affairs for decades. That's OK with you rightwingnutjobs.

[Wild Cobra]

Shazbot... You are simply making shit up now, like usual.

[boutons_deux]

Shazbot... You are simply making shit up now, like usual.

... says the totally reliable AGW denier :lol

[boutons_deux]

Fox’s Judge Jeanine has bonkers rant: If you investigate Russian 2016 hacking, you’re against America

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Jeanine-Pirro-via-screencap-800x430.png

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/watch-in-unhinged-rant-foxs-judge-jeanine-says-if-youre-against-trump-youre-against-america/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

War is Peace, Bad is Good, Black is White, Up is Down, Poor is Rich, continuing the fantasy world created by the 2001-2008 Repugs.

[angrydude]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM

[angrydude]

Fox’s Judge Jeanine has bonkers rant: If you investigate Russian 2016 hacking, you’re against America

http://2d0yaz2jiom3c6vy7e7e5svk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Jeanine-Pirro-via-screencap-800x430.png

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/watch-in-unhinged-rant-foxs-judge-jeanine-says-if-youre-against-trump-youre-against-america/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

War is Peace, Bad is Good, Black is White, Up is Down, Poor is Rich, continuing the fantasy world created by the 2001-2008 Repugs.




Funny, considering how the left seems to want to go to russia for some reason

[Th'Pusher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM

Classic Obama. Fucked that Mormon right in his magic underwear.

[spurraider21]

jeanine has a vendetta against hillary ever since her embarrassing run for the senate :lol

[Thread]

jeanine has a vendetta against hillary ever since her embarrassing run for the senate :lol

The judge cut her throat the Saturday after that Tuesday:::


"She even called you deplorable, irredeemable and not America. If you didn’t support her, you probably hated women and were backward. They tried to convince you a lie wasn’t a lie if it came from her mouth.
The media-- so corrupt that they shared debate questions with her to give her the edge-- tried to beat you down by repeatedly telling you it was useless to even show up at the polls.
And even though the president of the United States did his best on the eve of the election to trash him and mock him as a joke and unfit, bringing out out Jay-Z, Springsteen, Beyoncé, Gaga... It didn't matter.
In spite of it all we all, even though we felt forgotten, alone and beaten down, we all came home because this wasn't an election-- it was a revolution. We came home to where our forefathers in their genius had always planned back to America...
Back to who we are... Back to the constitution...
And yes Mr. soon to be ex-president Obama we can now proudly cling to our guns, our religion...
And now our new President-elect Donald j trump."

[spurraider21]

The judge cut her throat the Saturday after that Tuesday:::


"She even called you deplorable, irredeemable and not America. If you didn’t support her, you probably hated women and were backward. They tried to convince you a lie wasn’t a lie if it came from her mouth.
The media-- so corrupt that they shared debate questions with her to give her the edge-- tried to beat you down by repeatedly telling you it was useless to even show up at the polls.
And even though the president of the United States did his best on the eve of the election to trash him and mock him as a joke and unfit, bringing out out Jay-Z, Springsteen, Beyoncé, Gaga... It didn't matter.
In spite of it all we all, even though we felt forgotten, alone and beaten down, we all came home because this wasn't an election-- it was a revolution. We came home to where our forefathers in their genius had always planned back to America...
Back to who we are... Back to the constitution...
And yes Mr. soon to be ex-president Obama we can now proudly cling to our guns, our religion...
And now our new President-elect Donald j trump."
:lmao 32 seconds of stalling silence... the longest 32 seconds of her honor's life.

first 1:15 is all you need

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/pxy7av/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-indecision-2006---jeanine-pirro-s-announcement


she's held a grudge against clinton for years and finally got to throw punches from her protected fox platform. good for her.

[Thread]

:lmao 32 seconds of stalling silence... the longest 32 seconds of her honor's life.

first 1:15 is all you need

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/pxy7av/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-indecision-2006---jeanine-pirro-s-announcement


she's held a grudge against clinton for years and finally got to throw punches from her protected fox platform. good for her.

& on that Saturday nite she got her good, by God. Lit her fuckin' ass up, 21.

[Thread]

Now, I'm goin' to couch. Gonna sleep with visions of sugar Trumps dancin' thru my fuckin' head.

LMAO! Whipped her fuckin' ass as nite turned to morning,,,8 November 2016.

[spurraider21]

& on that Saturday nite she got her good, by God. Lit her fuckin' ass up, 21.anybody can be a critic. it's what all of us do here

[boutons_deux]

As Trump again attacks CIA, former intelligence officers expect retaliation against the agency (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/11/1609869/-As-Trump-again-attacks-CIA-former-intelligence-officers-expect-retaliation-against-the-agency)

Trump's response to the CIA conclusion that the Russian government worked on his behalf to disrupt the American election has been, as usual, to simply deny that intelligence officials know any such thing. Trump is smart; they are dumb. Trump knows Russia's actions and intentions; the entire collected national intelligence infrastructure doesn't. His dysfunctional—and outright delusional—ultra-narcissism is expected to create chaos as Trump and his Flynn-led team steamroll over any presented data that conflicts with their own preferences.

Foreign policy and past top intelligence figures are already expressing extreme alarm over Trump's rejection of the intelligence he's been handed (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/politics/trump-mocking-claim-that-russia-hacked-election-at-odds-with-gop.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0):

“To have the president-elect of the United States simply reject the fact-based narrative that the intelligence community puts together because it conflicts with his a priori assumptions — wow,”

said Michael V. Hayden, who was the director of the N.S.A. and later the C.I.A. under President George W. Bush.

Trump dismissing the intelligence presented to him is one thing. When Trump actually becomes President Trump, however, some former officers expect retaliation against those agency for their Russian assessments (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/11/intelligence-agencies-cia-donald-trump-russia).


Former intelligence officers told the Guardian they considered retaliation by Trump to be all but a certainty after he is sworn into office next month.

Trump still has several appointments to make at the highest levels of the intelligence apparatus, picks which are likely to be bellwethers for the new president’s attitudes toward the agencies.

“There is not just smoke here. There is a blazing 10-alarm fire, the sirens are wailing, the Russians provided the lighter fluid, and Trump is standing half-burnt and holding a match,”

said Glenn Carle, a retired CIA officer and interrogator.

“The facts hurt, Trump won’t like the truth, and

he will without question seek to

destroy those individuals or organizations that say or do anything that he thinks harm his precious grandiosity.”


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/11/1609869/-As-Trump-again-attacks-CIA-former-intelligence-officers-expect-retaliation-against-the-agency?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

Trash is a piece of shit

[Warlord23]

It wasn't Bushs' report, it was the CIA's report. You ain't passing the buck here. No.

Yes it was the CIA's report, and it didn't mention Iraq possessing WMD. It was Bush's handlers who added that bit. Now the world knows, and it doesn't matter if a senile old Suns fan denies it.

[Warlord23]

But didn't you know?

They also think its Bush's fault that Katrina hit.

Bush is to blame for everything. They must think he's an evil God!

This has nothing to do with people's opinion of Bush. The facts are this: the CIA published a report which didn't mention that Iraq had WMDs. The administration added this falsehood and used the amended report to start a war that has led to the deaths of thousands of American and allied soldiers, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dead, injured and displaced Iraqis.

Whether that makes Bush a simpleton or a liar is irrelevant.

[Wild Cobra]

The facts are this: the CIA published a report which didn't mention that Iraq had WMDs.

Maybe not the published report, but the reports Bush received daily did. There was a CIA insider that published a book saying it was included in reports to Bush. I guess if you don't want to believe, that's your option.

[Warlord23]

Maybe not the published report, but the reports Bush received daily did. There was a CIA insider that published a book saying it was included in reports to Bush. I guess if you don't want to believe, that's your option.

The original CIA report is declassified and available for all to view.

If Bush received altered versions, it means Cheney or someone else in the admin was involved in the deception. If Bush knew about the deception and went along because he could use the altered report excuse to cover his ass, he is a war criminal. If he genuinely didn't know, he is incompetent. Ultimately Bush is the CiC and he is accountable for making the biggest mistake since the Vietnam war.

[DMC]

which i guess makes that a poor comparison to bring up in the first place

You inferred it when you said it would be enough to have the evidence excluded. That only works in a court of law. Now go ahead and say "I didn't say I didn't".

[DMC]

The original CIA report is declassified and available for all to view.

If Bush received altered versions, it means Cheney or someone else in the admin was involved in the deception. If Bush knew about the deception and went along because he could use the altered report excuse to cover his ass, he is a war criminal. If he genuinely didn't know, he is incompetent. Ultimately Bush is the CiC and he is accountable for making the biggest mistake since the Vietnam war.

Biggest mistake? So allowing terrorists to set up shop on your soil including getting flight training under your watch doesn't constitute "incompetence"? All this while you're busy defending yourself because you were have an adulterous affair with an intern in the oval office while your wife slept a few doors down? Bigger than that? Bigger than killing women and children in Waco on live TV? The war in the middle east was ongoing, it was started when Saddam invaded Kuwait. It didn't end there. There were resolutions on top of resolutions and the fact anyone needed WMDs to enforce them is embarrassing.

The biggest mistake was not toppling Saddam the 1st time around. That would have thwarted all of it.

[Warlord23]

Biggest mistake? So allowing terrorists to set up shop on your soil including getting flight training under your watch doesn't constitute "incompetence"? All this while you're busy defending yourself because you were have an adulterous affair with an intern in the oval office while your wife slept a few doors down? Bigger than that? Bigger than killing women and children in Waco on live TV? The war in the middle east was ongoing, it was started when Saddam invaded Kuwait. It didn't end there. There were resolutions on top of resolutions and the fact anyone needed WMDs to enforce them is embarrassing.

The biggest mistake was not toppling Saddam the 1st time around. That would have thwarted all of it.

Yes, the Iraq war was by far the biggest, most unjustifiable mistake since 'Nam because the US had all the information they needed to avoid that mistake. 9-11 was far less in the administration's control, and it is debatable as to whether it was preventable. Blaming Bill Clinton for 9-11 might sound really convincing when discussed by a Fox News panel, but doesn't hold up in the real world. Richard Clarke has discussed the difference between the Clinton and Bush admins regarding terrorism.

Yes, Clinton didn't have a comprehensive plan to defeat Al-Qaeda. However Clinton was the one who called Bin Laden "the biggest security problem facing the US" and created a specific CIA unit focused on him. Ironically the GOP Congress accused him of trying to use Al-Qaeda as a diversion from the blowjob issue. Unbelievably, Bush told the 9-11 commission that he didn't remember Clinton mentioning AQ in his exit interview. Condi Rice downgraded the counter-terrorism coordinator's position. Bush received warning after warning about AQ and OBL but didn't change a thing until the planes hit the tower.

There is plenty of blame to go around, but while 9-11 was an inability to put safeguards in place, Iraq was a complete self-goal. And if you want to go back to removing Saddam the 1st time, maybe we should go back to when the US funded and armed Saddam in the first place.

[spurraider21]

You inferred it when you said it would be enough to have the evidence excluded. That only works in a court of law. Now go ahead and say "I didn't say I didn't".

mavsfan brought up the comparison, not me. a criminal defendant doesn't complain about an illegal search to win in the court of public opinion. the comparison fails


Yep. :lol it's like a criminal complaining about an illegal search.

[pgardn]

How did we find out both the CIA and the British got Saddams bragging dead wrong? And that they in a way exaggerated each other's reports in a dangerous feedback?


Oh.

THE MEDIA.

What a bunch of conservative dumb cucks...


Conservatives have above replacement level birth rates, we still fuck our women unlike you perverted little cuckold creeps. Go whack it in the corner while Jamal plows your wife and Malcom x plays in the background

Well this explains nothing and at the same time quite a lot.

Good answer.
You took that one head on.

[boutons_deux]

The investigation of Russian skewing the election has to be done quickly, because Trash, Pompeo, and Sessions will shut it down 21 Jan.

[Thread]

The investigation of Russian skewing the election has to be done quickly, because Trash and Sessions will shut it down 21 Jan.

& it will be too. This ain't like usual shit. This is special shit.

What the Repugs have to recognize & most importantly realize is that Trump will be watching like when he watched CC kinda sidestep & kinda duck when he needed him to side him as it was coming to an end.

Trump is like Kobe:::"I don't forget anything."

[boutons_deux]

UNEXPECTED RUSSIAN TRAFFIC SPIKE IN WISCONSIN RAISES EYEBROWS

Officials in a tiny county in Northern Wisconsin have noticed a very strange pattern of Internet traffic coming into their servers coming from Russia and its former republic, Kyrgyzstan. The visits and the timing raise the possibility that an attempt was afoot to seek ways into voting systems.

Wisconsin is one of the states where Donald Trump experienced an unexpected victory on November 8. Federal officials are alleging that Russian hackers took an interest in the election and appear to have selectively hacked and leaked information harmful to Trump’s opponent, Hillary Clinton — though no hard evidence has emerged of hacks directly related to vote counts.

Servers in Bayfield County and in the city of Ashland (which straddles Bayfield and Ashland counties) are mystified by the spike in traffic, which began on March 15. “It has been pretty much sustained from March on, all the way through the election period,” cyber security consultant EricEllason told the Ashland Daily Press (https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.apg-wi.com/ashland_daily_press/news/odd-traffic-on-local-websites-puzzles-officials/article_f21d08ea-bc2b-11e6-a76b-278e05e376be.html&sa=D&ust=1481537573422000&usg=AFQjCNGhrcMcp_Ov0SaFBYdpU0Cb_DRWRQ).

The traffic from Eastern Europe was 20 to 30 times higher than might be expected. The hits from the tiny, remote Kyrgyzstan began at the same time as the Russian visits. No comparable traffic came from other countries, including large countries that might reasonably be assumed to have a comparable interest in the county, were the county to be noticeably in the public eye at that time — which it was not.

The potential probing was discovered by Ellason, who does contract work for the city of Ashland. When he asked if others had a similar experience, it turned out that Bayfield County (total population approximately 15,000) had as well.

The spike involved approximately 20 to 30 different users — and has continued beyond the election.

Paul Houck, Bayfield County’s director of information technology, had previously noticed a spike from China.
The surge from Russia and Kyrgyzstan also hit the website of the Chamber of Commerce of Madeline Island, a tiny spot in Lake Superior that is also in Bayfield County.

http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/12/12/unexpected-russian-traffic-spike-wisconsin-raises-eyebrows/

[Clipper Nation]

"The FBI briefers think in terms of criminal standards — can we prove this in court," one of the officials said. "The CIA briefers weigh the preponderance of intelligence and then make judgment calls to help policymakers make informed decisions. High confidence for them means 'we're pretty damn sure.' It doesn't mean they can prove it in court."

The FBI is not sold on the idea that Russia had a particular aim in its meddling. "There's no question that [the Russians'] efforts went one way, but it's not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals," said one U.S. official.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-and-cia-give-differing-accounts-to-lawmakers-on-russias-motives-in-2016-hacks/2016/12/10/c6dfadfa-bef0-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?client=safari

I think I'll stick with the "prove it in court" guys' conclusions, not the theories spread by the Obama-appointed "we're pretty damn sure" guys.

[Th'Pusher]

"The FBI briefers think in terms of criminal standards — can we prove this in court," one of the officials said. "The CIA briefers weigh the preponderance of intelligence and then make judgment calls to help policymakers make informed decisions. High confidence for them means 'we're pretty damn sure.' It doesn't mean they can prove it in court."

The FBI is not sold on the idea that Russia had a particular aim in its meddling. "There's no question that [the Russians'] efforts went one way, but it's not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals," said one U.S. official.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-and-cia-give-differing-accounts-to-lawmakers-on-russias-motives-in-2016-hacks/2016/12/10/c6dfadfa-bef0-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?client=safari

I think I'll stick with the "prove it in court" guys' conclusions, not the theories spread by the Obama-appointed "we're pretty damn sure" guys.

The prove it in court guys concluded there was Russian meddling. President elect Donald was on TV yesterday denying that reality.

[boutons_deux]

Nope. You're Lying, Trump

This is long ago history for a lot of people. But as long as Trump is raising the issue, let's revisit it.

Donald Trump says the US Intelligence Community got it wrong about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction.

So, he reasons, it's probably getting it wrong now about Russia tampering in the US election. This is not what happened fifteen years ago. What did happen is actually highly instructive of what we should be wary of after January 20th.

Going back into the Clinton years and before it was assumed in the US intelligence community that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had some continuing chemical weapons program. Post invasion we learned that was wrong. But chemical weapons, as hideous as they are, were never enough to spur the fears the Bush administration used to justify the invasion of Iraq. They needed much more.

They needed ties to terrorism and an Iraqi nuclear weapons program or biological weapons program.

The US intelligence agencies saw little evidence for either - especially an active nuclear weapons program or ties to international terrorism, particularly ties to 9/11 which Bush administration officials were eager to find.

So there was a year long process in which the Bush administration pressured the CIA and other intelligence agencies to come up with evidence. To some degree, the CIA did do that, but never as much as the White House and key appointees at the Pentagon wanted. But through the roughly 18 months between the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq there was a running war within the US government. Indeed, CIA and other intelligence agency officials ran an on-going effort to prevent the President and other high level administration officials from publicly disclosing misleading or erroneous claims about US intelligence. One of the biggest fights was over statements about intelligence about nuclear weapons - uranium, certain high tolerance parts which could be used for nuclear weapons.

This is at best a qualified defense of the CIA. To a real extent, they gave in to the Bush administration.

What we are seeing now is people being upset with President Obama (with some reason) for not sufficiently pushing or sounding the alarm about what the intelligence agencies were finding. In other words, perhaps erring on the other side of the equation.

Even more importantly, once President Trump is in office and his extremely partisan CIA nominee, Mike Pompeo, you can guess how aggressively they will look to get to the bottom of Russian state subversion of the 2016 election.
Trump's claims about the US intelligence community and weapons of mass destruction is about as solid as his oft-repeated claim that he opposed the US invasion of Iraq. :lol

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/nope-you-re-lying-trump?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

So, Trash LIES again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

And you Trash supporters don't GAF.

[Clipper Nation]

TalkingPointsMemo = fake news.

[boutons_deux]

Former CIA operative calls for new round of votes after intelligence agencies conclude Russia interfered in the elections with the goal of seeing Donald Trump win

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4023284/Former-CIA-operative-calls-new-round-votes-intelligence-agencies-conclude-Russia-interfered-elections-goal-seeing-Donald-Trump-win.html

Trash wins, and sends Pootin's good BigOil buddy to Moscow as ambassador.

[boutons_deux]

TRUMP TO SPLIT TIME BETWEEN TRUMP TOWER AND KREMLIN

http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Borowitz-TrumptoSplitTimeBetweenTrumpTowerandKremlin-1200.jpg

NEW YORK — Donald Trump stirred controversy on Monday by revealing that

he intends to spend only half his time as President at the Kremlin—and the remainder at Trump Tower in Manhattan.

His decision to limit his time at the Kremlin reportedly stemmed from his wife Melania’s desire not to uproot the Trump family by relocating full-time to Moscow.

“It was part of the deal when he ran for President that he would go to the Kremlin and she would stay behind in New York,” a source close to the Trumps said.

Appearing on Russian television, Trump surrogate

Kellyanne Conway said that Trump’s decision to split his time between Moscow and New York would have “no impact whatsoever” on his ability to function as an integral part of the Kremlin team.

“Mr. Trump doesn’t need to be physically down the hall from President Putin,” she said. “When he’s at Trump Tower, they’re on the phone with each other all day. It’s all good.”

In a televised interview later in the day, however, the Russian President expressed displeasure at the amount of time that Trump plans to be away from the Kremlin. “This is not what Russian taxpayers paid for,” he said.


http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-to-split-time-between-trump-tower-and-kremlin

[DMC]

mavsfan brought up the comparison, not me. a criminal defendant doesn't complain about an illegal search to win in the court of public opinion. the comparison fails

He didn't say complaining in court. He already said criminal which means it's been decided. The criminal could be complaining to anyone.

[Thread]

Former CIA operative calls for new round of votes after intelligence agencies conclude Russia interfered in the elections with the goal of seeing Donald Trump win

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4023284/Former-CIA-operative-calls-new-round-votes-intelligence-agencies-conclude-Russia-interfered-elections-goal-seeing-Donald-Trump-win.html

Trash wins, and sends Pootin's good BigOil buddy to Moscow as ambassador.






Good. Every little bit helped.

& that Comey fellow? I thought he was working again us. I was wrong. He helped us. Bless his heart.

[boutons_deux]

Electors demand intelligence report on Russian hacking before Electoral College vote


A group of bipartisan electors are calling on U.S. intelligence officials to release findings on Russia’s involvement in the U.S. election prior to the Electoral College vote that will make Donald Trump’s presidential election official.In an open letter to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Monday, a group of nine electors representing both parties vow to discharge their duties by the standard described in Alexander Hamilton’s The Federalist Paper No. 68 (https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers#TheFederalistPapers-68).

“We intend to discharge our duties as Electors by ensuring that we select a candidate for president who, as our Founding Fathers envisioned, would be ‘endowed with the requisite qualifications,'” the letter states. “[T]he Constitution envisions the Electoral College as a deliberative body that plays a critical role in our system of government — ensuring that the American people elect a president who is constitutionally qualified and fit to serve.”

The electors note that the intelligence community has concluded with “high confidence (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=1)” that Russia acted to interfere in the U.S. election to the benefit of Trump.

“According to reports in the Washington Post, New York Times, and other outlets, the United States intelligence community has now concluded definitively that the Russian interference was performed to help Donald Trump get elected, yet even today Mr. Trump is refusing to accept that finding,” the letter states. “Separate from Mr. Trump’s own denials of Russian involvement in the election, the confirmed communication between Trump’s aides and those associated with the Russian election interference activity raise serious concerns that must be addressed before we cast our votes.”

Among the electors’ concerns are allegations that Russian government officials “maintained contact with the Trump campaign during the election,” reports of a propaganda operation to “sway American public opinion in favor of Ukraine’s pro-Putin government” and relationships between Trump associations and Russia President Vladimir Putin.

The letter continues:


The Electors require to know from the intelligence community whether there are ongoing investigations into ties between Donald Trump, his campaign or associates, and Russian government interference in the election, the scope of those investigations, how far those investigations may have reached, and who was involved in those investigations. We further require a briefing on all investigative findings, as these matters directly impact the core factors in our deliberations of whether Mr. Trump is fit to serve as President of the United States.


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/electors-demand-intelligence-report-on-russian-hacking-before-electoral-college-vote/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

keep grabbing at straws Boo.

The election is over. Trump won.

[Sportcamper]

Trump going ham on the CIA…Even SNL liked it…

Reporter-Mr. Trump, The CIA has stated that Russia did influence the elections…

Trump- These are the same people who said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction… :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange, has dismissed the CIA's claims that Russia interfered in last month’s presidential election as "bulls***".

On Friday the Washington Post reported on a secret assessment by the CIA, which concluded that Russian intelligence hacked the Democratic National Committee's servers and that of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta, specifically to help Trump win the presidency.

Mr Murray said: "I know who leaked them. I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.




“If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.
“America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”
The Kremlin has rejected the hacking accusations while Julian Assange has previously said the DNC leaks were not linked to Russia.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/cias-russian-hacking-claims-dismissed-as-bulls-by-former-uk-ambassador-craig-murray-35288057.html

[spurraider21]

Trump going ham on the CIA…Even SNL liked it…

Reporter-Mr. Trump, The CIA has stated that Russia did influence the elections…

Trump- These are the same people who said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction… :lolso why is he wasting taxpayer funding by not permanently shutting down the CIA?

[Winehole23]

Railing on the most unpopular president-elect ever isn't a bad tactic, but the Dems need to find something else to talk about.

The election is over. HRC lost primarily because she had considerable baggage and ran a lousy campaign. Never forget that HRC was the second most unpopular candidate ever, after the president elect.

[boutons_deux]

Don't worry, with the Repugs running Congress, they certainly won't go Benghazi on the Russian hacking.

[CosmicCowboy]

Don't worry, with the Repugs running Congress, they certainly won't go Benghazi on the Russian hacking.

Boo, what should we do...nuke a smaller city in Russia?...maybe sink a sub?

[boutons_deux]

When it comes to Russia, Paul Ryan is suddenly worried about partisan investigations (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/12/1610214/-When-it-comes-to-Russia-Paul-Ryan-is-suddenly-worried-about-partisan-investigations)


"At the same time, exploiting the work of our intelligence community for partisan purposes does a grave disservice to those professionals and potentially jeopardizes our national security.

As we work to protect our democracy from foreign influence, we should not cast doubt on the clear and decisive outcome of this election." :lol

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/12/1610214/-When-it-comes-to-Russia-Paul-Ryan-is-suddenly-worried-about-partisan-investigations?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

PR will certainly, in purely partisan fashion, short-circuit or shut down any investigations.

[CosmicCowboy]

When it comes to Russia, Paul Ryan is suddenly worried about partisan investigations (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/12/1610214/-When-it-comes-to-Russia-Paul-Ryan-is-suddenly-worried-about-partisan-investigations)


"At the same time, exploiting the work of our intelligence community for partisan purposes does a grave disservice to those professionals and potentially jeopardizes our national security.

As we work to protect our democracy from foreign influence, we should not cast doubt on the clear and decisive outcome of this election." :lol

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/12/1610214/-When-it-comes-to-Russia-Paul-Ryan-is-suddenly-worried-about-partisan-investigations?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

PR will certainly, in purely partisan fashion, short-circuit or shut down any investigations.

To quote your mancrush..."Elections have consequences".

[boutons_deux]

Congressional witch hunting/harassment/slanderous investigations have consequences. Ask Hillary.

[Thread]

Congressional witch hunting/harassment/slanderous investigations have consequences. Ask Hillary.

She can't hear. Her head is stuck straight into the earth.

[FromWayDowntown]

Boo, what should we do...nuke a smaller city in Russia?...maybe sink a sub?

I'll admit that I'm just jumping in here, and I'm not going to jump to boutons' defense, but I'm curious -- is your position that this isn't a big deal?

It certainly seems to me that if there is some evidence of a hack by a foreign power of either party in the midst of a presidential election, that warrants a real investigation and a re-evaluation of our systems, whether it had an impact on the election or not. I'm truly baffled by the Trump camp's insistence that there's nothing to see here and that no investigation is necessary. This is a pretty crucial national security concern, frankly.

I'd think that would be true without regard to the outcome of the most recent election.

[Thread]

I'll admit that I'm just jumping in here, and I'm not going to jump to boutons' defense, but I'm curious -- is your position that this isn't a big deal?

It certainly seems to me that if there is some evidence of a hack by a foreign power of either party in the midst of a presidential election, that warrants a real investigation and a re-evaluation of our systems, whether it had an impact on the election or not. I'm truly baffled by the Trump camp's insistence that there's nothing to see here and that no investigation is necessary. This is a pretty crucial national security concern, frankly.

I'd think that would be true without regard to the outcome of the most recent election.

What exactly did they hack? Voting machines? Paper ballots?

[FromWayDowntown]

What exactly did they hack? Voting machines? Paper ballots?

Does that really matter what their precise targets were? If there's proof that a foreign power is hacking into American political organizations and might be trying to influence/undermine/disrupt/effect our political processes, isn't that a concern?

I don't know precisely what the proof is, but if the proof is that there is reason to believe that agents of a foreign government may have hacked a major political party, it would be stunning to me that any Americans would just be indifferent to that.

I'm not here to suggest that this is some way to dispute the election results (as I've said; I agree with Winehole that re-litigating the election results ad naseum is a poor choice for Democrats to make at this point). But I'm also not sure why Trump's camp has insistently conflated concerns for the integrity of the results of an election he won and rather legitimate concerns for American national security that would exist without regard to that outcome.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'll admit that I'm just jumping in here, and I'm not going to jump to boutons' defense, but I'm curious -- is your position that this isn't a big deal?

It certainly seems to me that if there is some evidence of a hack by a foreign power of either party in the midst of a presidential election, that warrants a real investigation and a re-evaluation of our systems, whether it had an impact on the election or not. I'm truly baffled by the Trump camp's insistence that there's nothing to see here and that no investigation is necessary. This is a pretty crucial national security concern, frankly.

I'd think that would be true without regard to the outcome of the most recent election.

Investigate away, will only make the Democrats look worse as we'll all be reminded again of how the DNC cheated Sanders and colluded with the media.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'll admit that I'm just jumping in here, and I'm not going to jump to boutons' defense, but I'm curious -- is your position that this isn't a big deal?

It certainly seems to me that if there is some evidence of a hack by a foreign power of either party in the midst of a presidential election, that warrants a real investigation and a re-evaluation of our systems, whether it had an impact on the election or not. I'm truly baffled by the Trump camp's insistence that there's nothing to see here and that no investigation is necessary. This is a pretty crucial national security concern, frankly.

I'd think that would be true without regard to the outcome of the most recent election.

I found it interesting that with Hillary's email, the official word was we can't possibly determine if it was hacked, or if it was hacked, who hacked it. Then with the DNC emails suddenly "unidentified CIA sources" can say with absolute authority that it was the Russians. Just seems curious. On top of that I found reading REAL EMAILS to be quite illuminating. The Democrats must have felt that way too since they crucified Debbie Wasserman Schultz for it. I'm all for having all the real information I can have to make a decision when voting. Personally, I find the outrage that "The Russians published the real emails we sent which made people not like us" to be hilarious.

[z0sa]

Does that really matter what their precise targets were? If there's proof that a foreign power is hacking into American political organizations and might be trying to influence/undermine/disrupt/effect our political processes, isn't that a concern?

I don't know precisely what the proof is, but if the proof is that there is reason to believe that agents of a foreign government may have hacked a major political party, it would be stunning to me that any Americans would just be indifferent to that.

I'm not here to suggest that this is some way to dispute the election results (as I've said; I agree with Winehole that re-litigating the election results ad naseum is a poor choice for Democrats to make at this point). But I'm also not sure why Trump's camp has insistently conflated concerns for the integrity of the results of an election he won and rather legitimate concerns for American national security that would exist without regard to that outcome.

Have you nothing to say of the DNCs collusion with the media? Way scarier than broke Russian hackers.

[FromWayDowntown]

Have you nothing to say of the DNCs collusion with the media? Way scarier than broke Russian hackers.

If you say so. Many Trump supporters seem to believe that reporting anything negative about their candidate was tantamount to supporting Clinton. I'd agree that many in the media seemed to support the Clinton campaign during the recent election, but I'm not going to agree that critiques of media in this day and age (where whatever truth someone wants is pretty much readily available to them at a few keystrokes) are on par with the notion that foreign governments are breaching the security of major political parties during a presidential campaign.

[Trill Clinton]

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http://i66.tinypic.com/141744.png

[FromWayDowntown]

I found it interesting that with Hillary's email, the official word was we can't possibly determine if it was hacked, or if it was hacked, who hacked it. Then with the DNC emails suddenly "unidentified CIA sources" can say with absolute authority that it was the Russians. Just seems curious.

So you're good with the tactical choice of a campaign in the midst of a dog-and-pony show, and would prefer to disregard the conclusions of our intelligence agencies. That seems like a prudent course of action.


On top of that I found reading REAL EMAILS to be quite illuminating. The Democrats must have felt that way too since they crucified Debbie Wasserman Schultz for it. I'm all for having all the real information I can have to make a decision when voting. Personally, I find the outrage that "The Russians published the real emails we sent which made people not like us" to be hilarious.

No question it's illuminating, and perhaps we should write laws that require that sort of transparency from all political parties and candidates. (it's interesting, too, that those who say they think transparency is great at this point have very little concern with the fact that Trump still has never released any of his tax returns, but that's a question for another time and place). But that's very different from saying that there's no real issue with a foreign power's efforts to have a say in our political contests.

Again, I'd be as distressed by this if it had been a bunch of stuff about Trump that came out in the same way.

It's a pretty short step from saying that there's no big deal here because the right guy won and because we learned more in the process, on the one hand, to inviting any and all interested foreign powers from interjecting themselves into the way we handle our politics, on the other hand.

[boutons_deux]

Democrats’ emails came under attack right before the election: report

CrowdStrike, the firm hired by the DNC to protect its network, says a second attack happened days before the vote

An unreported cycberattack targeting the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee days before the election was disclosed Monday (https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspected-russian-cyber-attack-waged-on-clinton-campaign-just-days-before-vote-130057960.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw), intensifying concerns that Russia deliberately tilted the election to President-elect Donald Trump.


The attacks, conducted in late October, used a “phishing” technique to procure login information to the secured networks, Yahoo News reported on Monday (https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspected-russian-cyber-attack-waged-on-clinton-campaign-just-days-before-vote-130057960.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw). CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC to prevent attacks on its network, told Yahoo News that DNC staffers were able to reject the attack because they knew the unsolicited emails were suspicious.

CrowdStrike was the first group to conclude Russian intelligence perpetrated the DNC hack.

CrowdStrike identified an individual known as “Fancy Bear” as the hacker who breached the DNC’s network in April of this year.

The hack resulted in the leak of thousands of internal DNC emails that were later published by WikiLeaks.

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/12/democrats-emails-came-under-attack-right-before-the-election-report/

[Clipper Nation]

Where was the outrage from the left when Obama traveled to Britain and campaigned against Brexit? That was a sitting US president brazenly meddling in another country's affairs.

Hell, our political consultant class can often be found working on campaigns in foreign countries during our off years. For instance, Bernie's chief advisor Tad Devine has worked on campaigns in Colombia, Israel, Peru, Bolivia, Ireland, Honduras, the Ukraine and Afghanistan. Boris Yeltsin hired American consultants to run his campaigns. Shouldn't the left be really angry about all this subversion of other countries' electoral processes?

[boutons_deux]

No, Paul Ryan doesn’t support an investigation into Russian election interference

He just wants you to think he does.

the strongest Stance Ryan has taken on an investigation: a statement that the House Intelligence committee is already doing such work, and that he trusts Rep. Nunes to handle the issue.

Nunes, however, says he has no intention of opening an investigation.

“At this time I do not see any benefit in opening further investigations, which would duplicate current committee oversight efforts and Intelligence Community inquiries,” said Nunes, citing the Committee’s previous investigations into cyber attacks, including Russian attacks.

This isn’t particularly surprising for Nunes. On Friday, in response to the allegations, Nunes issued a statement that attacked the Obama Administration, and did not mention the need for any new investigations.

This is an elaboration of Nunes’ previous stance: On Friday, he issued a different statement that, rather than expressing a functional response from the Intelligence Committee, instead attacked (https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=736) the Obama Administration.

“Russia’s cyber-attacks are no surprise to the House Intelligence Committee,” Nunes’ Friday statement read. “ Unfortunately the Obama administration, dedicated to delusions of ‘resetting’ relations with Russia, ignored pleas by numerous Intelligence Committee members to take more forceful action against the Kremlin’s aggression.”

Nunes is a member of Trump’s transition team.

https://thinkprogress.org/no-paul-ryan-doesnt-support-an-investigation-into-russian-election-interference-e5b312b8e59a#.pjscq0hlh

[Reck]

Where was the outrage from the left when Obama traveled to Britain and campaigned against Brexit? That was a sitting US president brazenly meddling in another country's affairs.

To be fair, that idiot Farage told Obama to butt out when that whole shit was going on. Yet Farage himself inserted himself into American Politics. Even appearing in one of Trump's rally.

You drew a poor example here.

[spurraider21]

Where was the outrage from the left when Obama traveled to Britain and campaigned against Brexit? That was a sitting US president brazenly meddling in another country's affairs.

Hell, our political consultant class can often be found working on campaigns in foreign countries during our off years. For instance, Bernie's chief advisor Tad Devine has worked on campaigns in Colombia, Israel, Peru, Bolivia, Ireland, Honduras, the Ukraine and Afghanistan. Boris Yeltsin hired American consultants to run his campaigns. Shouldn't the left be really angry about all this subversion of other countries' electoral processes?
is there a distinction when it's covert? i dont think there was nearly as much outrage over farage campaigning vs russians allegedly working beneath the shadows

[Clipper Nation]

To be fair, that idiot Farage told Obama to butt out when that whole shit was going on. Yet Farage himself inserted himself into American Politics. Even appearing in one of Trump's rally.

You drew a poor example here.
I'm not the one whipping up a scandal over foreigners sticking their noses into our election process. The left is, even though Obama did that exact thing in reverse last summer.

You're also ignoring my other example of how America's cottage industry of hack political consultants goes over to other countries in our off years and works on political campaigns there.

[FromWayDowntown]

Where was the outrage from the left when Obama traveled to Britain and campaigned against Brexit? That was a sitting US president brazenly meddling in another country's affairs.

One of those things is transparent, is generally done at the behest of a side in the race, and can be considered by voters. The other is clandestine, done without consent or request, and is meant to interfere and can be used to undermine elections.

But I get it. Your cool with it all cause your guy won.

I don't think anyone can legitimately gripe about foreign leaders and governments having a view in our elections. The issue is with how they go about acting on that.

[Clipper Nation]

is there a distinction when it's covert? i dont think there was nearly as much outrage over farage campaigning vs russians allegedly working beneath the shadows
I don't think it matters that much whether it's overt or covert. Covert meddling is dishonest, but overt meddling reeks of arrogance and thumbing your nose at other countries' voters. Neither one is a good look for any country doing it.

[boutons_deux]

I don't think it matters that much whether it's overt or covert. Covert meddling is dishonest, but overt meddling reeks of arrogance and thumbing your nose at other countries' voters. Neither one is a good look for any country doing it.

USA has provoked overthrow of other countries' govts, armed insurgents, and who knows what else? How does it feel?

[boutons_deux]

House Republicans split over further investigation of Russian election hacks (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/12/1610306/-House-Republicans-split-over-further-investigation-of-Russian-election-hacks)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/278949/story_image/GettyImages-542917680.jpg?1469562493

The Republican Party is fairly soiling itself trying to decide whether the intervention of a foreign power in our presidential elections is something worth caring about or not. House Homeland Security Chairman Mike McCaul is of the opinion that this is indeed a big deal (http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/310045-house-homeland-security-chairman-investigating-russian-hacks-must-be-top).


"Russia's recent hacks should be taken very seriously, and the United States must make it a top priority to investigate any outside interference aimed at undermining our democratic process," the Texas Republican said in a statement. "These types of intrusions, whether from a nation-state or cyber criminals, must be met with a response that is forceful, public and decisive."


But the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee is Rep. Devin Nunes, a member of Donald Trump's own transition team. And in the conflict between intelligence and Donald Trump, Nunes comes down on squarely on Donald Trump's side, dismissing the notion that other Republicans might want to do their own investigations (http://www.businessinsider.com/devin-nunes-russian-hacking-2016-12).

Rep. Devin Nunes said Monday that further investigations would be redundant. [...]"The House Intelligence Committee is conducting vigorous oversight of the investigations into election-related cyber attacks," he said in a statement. "At this time I do not see any benefit in opening further investigations, which would duplicate current committee oversight efforts and intelligence community inquiries."


For the record,

there were eight (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/12/hillary-clinton/clinton-there-have-been-7-benghazi-probes-so-far/) different House and Senate inquiries into Something Something Benghazi.

Trump transition team member Nunes is pretty sure this one doesn't require more than just the one he'll be heading,

however.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/12/12/1610306/-House-Republicans-split-over-further-investigation-of-Russian-election-hacks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[CosmicCowboy]

Democrats’ emails came under attack right before the election: report

CrowdStrike, the firm hired by the DNC to protect its network, says a second attack happened days before the vote

An unreported cycberattack targeting the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee days before the election was disclosed Monday (https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspected-russian-cyber-attack-waged-on-clinton-campaign-just-days-before-vote-130057960.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw), intensifying concerns that Russia deliberately tilted the election to President-elect Donald Trump.


The attacks, conducted in late October, used a “phishing” technique to procure login information to the secured networks, Yahoo News reported on Monday (https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspected-russian-cyber-attack-waged-on-clinton-campaign-just-days-before-vote-130057960.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw). CrowdStrike, the cybersecurity firm hired by the DNC to prevent attacks on its network, told Yahoo News that DNC staffers were able to reject the attack because they knew the unsolicited emails were suspicious.

CrowdStrike was the first group to conclude Russian intelligence perpetrated the DNC hack.

CrowdStrike identified an individual known as “Fancy Bear” as the hacker who breached the DNC’s network in April of this year.

The hack resulted in the leak of thousands of internal DNC emails that were later published by WikiLeaks.

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/12/democrats-emails-came-under-attack-right-before-the-election-report/




Sadly, I get phishing emails every day on my business account. At least half a dozen a day are disguised as 'real" business correspondence wanting me to open files that are supposed to be invoices, or receipts, or orders...whatever...they change every day. Hell, maybe I'm getting hacked by the Kremlin too!

[Clipper Nation]

Also, even if the Russians did hack the DNC's emails, that still doesn't mean the premise that the Russians handed Trump the win has any basis in reality. The Russians didn't drive millions of Americans to the polls to vote for Trump. Hillary was already widely despised and viewed as corrupt long before she was even Secretary of State, let alone the email scandal. The Russians didn't reduce the Democrats to their fewest seats in government since Reconstruction, nor did they make "progressive" ballot items flop even in solid-blue states.

It's funny how Democrats - especially the ones with bylines - did nothing but downplay the email scandal while the election was still in progress. They insisted that the emails were not important and paled in comparison to all the fake Trump "scandals" that they kept fabricating. Now that the Dems are licking their wounds from their ass-kicking on election day, they want to make the emails into the ONLY reason Hillary lost so they can blame the Russians.

The truth, IMO, is somewhere in the middle. The email scandal was more proof that Hillary was unfit for the office and a national-security risk, but I doubt it changed anyone's mind about Hillary and I doubt it outweighed broader issues like immigration and the economy for most voters. If the Russians did hack the Dems, it was a huge waste of their time and resources since the emails didn't gain much traction outside of people who already disliked Hillary anyway.

[djohn2oo8]

Funny how these trumptards were so concerned with Hillary and her emails/what she was doing behind closed doors, but are willing to ignore a foreign power blatantly undermining our democracy. :lol

[boutons_deux]

"Russians handed Trump the win has any basis in reality"

Wikileaks published ONLY Dem, Hillary, etc emails, and Repugs and rightwing hate media ran with all of it.

Comey fucked over Hillary twice.

Benghazi! :lol

emails! :lol

Hillary is a liar, can't be trusted! :lol

But Don The Con Trash NEVER LIES, and is fully transparent with all his taxes, debts, businesses.

[HI-FI]

Considering how many elections the cia has fucked over throughout its history, looks like they are going to try it again but here this time. We've truly become a banana republic.

[Clipper Nation]

Any libtard politician/consultant/pundit who plays the "muh Russia" card should start turning down all contributions from George Soros and his organizations, effective immediately. They should also do the same with all Saudi money. If they're really outraged over foreign influence in elections, they should put their money where their mouth is.

[boutons_deux]

"all contributions from George Soros and his organizations"

False equivalence.

You conveniently ignore the 100s of illegal, bogus 501 "social welfare orgs" setup after VRWC's C-U ruling to hose dark, hidden $Bs into Repug campaigns, bitch.

[mavsfan1000]

What a surprise Russia prefers the President that doesn't want to go to War with them.

[CosmicCowboy]

Considering how many elections the cia has fucked over throughout its history, looks like they are going to try it again but here this time. We've truly become a banana republic.

good take

[pgardn]

Considering how many elections the cia has fucked over throughout its history, looks like they are going to try it again but here this time. We've truly become a banana republic.

Truly Not even close.

[Thread]

Considering how many elections the cia has fucked over throughout its history, looks like they are going to try it again but here this time. We've truly become a banana republic.

Yes, and it's moving fast now.

One most hope, no, one must pray that Trump and his operatives recognize the speed and take appropriate action(s).

[Wild Cobra]

Boo, what should we do...nuke a smaller city in Russia?...maybe sink a sub?

How about we tighten cyber security...

[Wild Cobra]

Hell, maybe I'm getting hacked by the Kremlin too!

More likely, a private citizen with a Russian based account.

[Thread]

Does that really matter what their precise targets were? If there's proof that a foreign power is hacking into American political organizations and might be trying to influence/undermine/disrupt/effect our political processes, isn't that a concern?

I don't know precisely what the proof is, but if the proof is that there is reason to believe that agents of a foreign government may have hacked a major political party, it would be stunning to me that any Americans would just be indifferent to that.

I'm not here to suggest that this is some way to dispute the election results (as I've said; I agree with Winehole that re-litigating the election results ad naseum is a poor choice for Democrats to make at this point). But I'm also not sure why Trump's camp has insistently conflated concerns for the integrity of the results of an election he won and rather legitimate concerns for American national security that would exist without regard to that outcome.

Yes, it matters. I call you a [shit for supporting that faggot Duncan and the Spurs] you come back over the top and call me names.

VS.

I come to your house, wait till you take the family to the drive in then break in and flood your house from ALL water sources then run like hell up the street and out the neighborhood.

---

And that's exactly what "you're" saying AND what "you're" aiming for. Trying to link him with Putin in a conspiracy to gain the WH. Christ, you can say it. [We've] been dancing around it all weekend.