How many rings would the Seahawks have right now with a real QB like Flacco or Eli?

[Clipper Nation]

Vote!

[Avante]

First five seasons.

Eli

Best comp %...60.3
TD/INT..98/64
QB ratings

55.4
75.9
77.0
73.9
86.4

Joe Flacco

Best comp %...63.1
TD/INT...101/56
QB ratings

80.3
88.9
93.6
80.9
87.7

Look at the dramatic difference here with Russell Wilson

Best comp%...68.1
TD/INT..119/44
QB rating

100.0
101.2
95.0
110.1
88.1

How could anyone not understand this?

And Pete Carroll wants a mobile QB, the difference in what RW does in the running game vs Eli/Flacco is ridiculous.

You can take Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, whoever and if we take into consideration.


playoff success
SB success
wins
passing stats
rushing stats
NFL firsts
NFL records

...in their first five seasons, nobody compares to Russell Wilson. He has had the best first five seasons of a career ever seen in pro football. And if ya knew the game you'd know this.

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[Avante]

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Great stuff Avante as usual. How about some more on the great Russell Wilson, ok?

Here ya go amigo.



Why Russell Wilson is a top-5 NFL QB

John Breitenbach (https://www.profootballfocus.com/author/jbreitenbach/) 6 months ago



The Seattle Seahawks’ resurgence began with the hiring of Pete Carroll in January of 2010, but it wasn’t until Russell Wilson was added in the third round of the 2012 NFL draft that Seattle became a legitimate Super Bowl contender.
Wilson’s rare combination of athleticism and arm talent make him a nightmare to defend. He might not be the best pure passer in the league, but he is also far from a one-dimensional running QB. Scrambling quarterbacks have had success in the NFL, but it’s frequently short-lived. Wilson’s balanced skill set makes him more difficult to game-plan against, and less susceptible to injuries.
Simply put, he belongs in the conversation with the best signal-callers in the league. In Sam Monson’s ranking of the top 100 players in the NFL right now, which will be published on PFF next week, Wilson cracks the top five among quarterbacks, edging out the likes of Drew Brees and Carson Palmer and ranking just behind guys like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.

[Darth_Pelican]

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You told me my Saints wouldn't make the playoffs Avante, right again, as usual. I should have listened.

[Clipper Nation]

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[Avante]

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Avante with the facts yet again, yep, both Eli and Flacco weren't even close to RW starting out.

What was I thinking? I really do need to start boning up on this stuff before posting, yep, like Avante does.

A statue like Eli running that read option, DUH~~~~~~

[Avante]

That....real...QB Joe Flacco


Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports There are 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL and Baltimore Ravens (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/baltimore-ravens) quarterback Joe Flacco (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34919/joe-flacco) is ranked 16th in the league by USA Today’s, “For The Win (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/nfl-quarterback-rankings-2016)”. Yes, the average Joe label is still on Flacco.
Here is what For The Win had to say about Flacco:

“Flacco hasn’t gotten any better since the Ravens made him the highest-paid quarterback in the league back in 2013. He’s still got a bazooka for an arm and is more mobile than he’s given credit for, but that’s where the positives end. His sloppy footwork has led to declining accuracy. Even at 31, he doesn’t do much work before the snap, and he’s still not great at making adjustments after the snap either.
Flacco is talented. If you put the right team and coaches around him, he’ll look good. He’s not going to elevate those around him, though, and that’s what the Ravens are paying him to do.”


That.....real....QB Eli Manning











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EAST RUTHERFORD -- We interrupt this regularly scheduled hand-wringing over the Giants (http://nj.com/giants) and their quarterback with this important announcement: Eli Manning is average.
Oh, he is probably the best average quarterback in NFL history, and while that doesn't exactly sound like something to engrave on a Hall of Fame bust, it's true. He has those two Super Bowl MVPs (http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/02/politi_eli_manning_seals_his_l.html) and enough statistical success that he'll get his spot in Canton someday.

Do Giants or Jets have better chance at saving season? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP-F8AQEk44)


But he is preparing to make his 200th career start on Sunday. We have certainly watched a big enough body of work that we know what he is, so can we finally stop expecting him to morph into something he's not?
He's not Tom Brady. He's not Aaron Rodgers. He's not a quarterback who is going perform at a high level every week, so while his uneven start to the 2016 season is a lot of things -- frustrating, disappointing, disheartening, etc. -- it is hardly surprising.

[SpursforSix]

That....real...QB Joe Flacco


Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY Sports There are 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL and Baltimore Ravens (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/baltimore-ravens) quarterback Joe Flacco (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/34919/joe-flacco) is ranked 16th in the league by USA Today’s, “For The Win (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/nfl-quarterback-rankings-2016)”. Yes, the average Joe label is still on Flacco.
Here is what For The Win had to say about Flacco:

“Flacco hasn’t gotten any better since the Ravens made him the highest-paid quarterback in the league back in 2013. He’s still got a bazooka for an arm and is more mobile than he’s given credit for, but that’s where the positives end. His sloppy footwork has led to declining accuracy. Even at 31, he doesn’t do much work before the snap, and he’s still not great at making adjustments after the snap either.
Flacco is talented. If you put the right team and coaches around him, he’ll look good. He’s not going to elevate those around him, though, and that’s what the Ravens are paying him to do.”









So you get your opinions from USA Today? I thought you were a fucking...yes..."expert"...with all your books and shit. You're telling me that you get your opinions from the newspaper?

[Avante]

I do get a kick out of the rookies here, it's cute, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~

Russell Wilson set records at Wisconsin, he walks right in and takes over. Precedes to win more games in 5 seasons than any QB in NFL history, he sets NFL records and NFL firsts, but he's not a .....real...QB, hahahahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~

His fellow NFL players see him as the 17th best player in the NFL last season, but he's not a ...real...QB, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

So you get your opinions from USA Today? I thought you were a fucking...yes..."expert"...with all your books and shit. You're telling me that you get your opinions from the newspaper?

Do this for me, ok? Google...Russell Wilson a great QB...and tell me what ya find. Then do that for Eli and Flacco.

TONS...of others out there saying the same things I say about Wilson.

[SpursforSix]

Do this for me, ok? Google...Russell Wilson a great QB...and tell me what ya find. Then do that for Eli and Flacco.

TONS...of others out there saying the same things I say about Wilson.

yeah...I don't do...Google...to find out my opinions.

[Avante]

yeah...I don't do...Google...to find out my opinions.

Little man, it's not about....MY...opinions, ok? It's about others agreeing with me, ok? Everyone who knows the game gets the greatness of Russell Wilson.

The young guy is doing things never seen before, he has NFL records and firsts, and is a SB champion.

I've been into this stuff since around 1959 (10 years old), I've seen them all. Ya think I just might know what I;m talking about?

Cool the internet in hiding bullshit and talk like a grown man, ok?

[DD]

Flacco or Eli would've said "fuck you Darrell, we have a monster in the backfield who has over 100 yds today and we still have a timeout." So, 2

[Clipper Nation]

In one fell swoop, Russell Wilson went from the most underpaid quarterback in the NFL to its most overpaid.

The Seattle Seahawks quarterback beat a Friday deadline to extend his contract, signing for a whopping $61 million guaranteed (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/seahawks/2015/07/31/russell-wilson-contract-extension-seahawks/30930135/), with a reported $31 million signing bonus (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000505334/article/seahawks-russell-wilson-agree-to-876m-extension) for an annual salary of about $21.9 million that’s just under that of Aaron Rodgers. The total amount of the four-year deal is worth a preposterous $87.6 million which doesn’t appear to contain much of the funny money that usually inflates the contracts of NFL players.

[Avante]

Flacco or Eli would've said "fuck you Darrell, we have a monster in the backfield who has over 100 yds today and we still have a timeout." So, 2

We don't know that, what we do know is Wilson was a far better QB in his first 5 seasons than Eli/Flacco where. Really not close.

[Clipper Nation]

Let’s make something clear here, Wilson is an average quarterback at best, yet announcers keep talking him up and Seattle fans gloss over his inability to take over a game. Without the "Legion of BOOM" or "Beast Mode" Wilson would have been benched by now. Teams focus on Seattle's defence and containing Marshawn Lynch and dare Russell Wilson to beat them through the air.

Seattle fans will hate this but it’s a little closer to reality then they may care to admit, Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are going to give you the same results in the QB department, one just has a far better team at the moment, but the other has a better payday with a nearly $10 million dollar difference.

http://www.dudleymediagroup.com/Detail/id/russell-wilson-an-average-qb-on-a-good-team-3910

[Avante]

In one fell swoop, Russell Wilson went from the most underpaid quarterback in the NFL to its most overpaid.

The Seattle Seahawks quarterback beat a Friday deadline to extend his contract, signing for a whopping $61 million guaranteed (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/seahawks/2015/07/31/russell-wilson-contract-extension-seahawks/30930135/), with a reported $31 million signing bonus (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000505334/article/seahawks-russell-wilson-agree-to-876m-extension) for an annual salary of about $21.9 million that’s just under that of Aaron Rodgers. The total amount of the four-year deal is worth a preposterous $87.6 million which doesn’t appear to contain much of the funny money that usually inflates the contracts of NFL players.

That's what the winningest QB (4 seasons) in NFL history deserves.

Never misses a game, sets NFL record and firsts, has won a playoff game in every season and a SB real close to winning two.

[Clipper Nation]

Unfiltered NFC scouting reports: Each team's most overrated and underrated player
Scout's Take: Seattle Seahawks
Overrated: Russell Wilson Russell Wilson is not an elite quarterback. Pete Carroll has created an environment where he encourages individuals to be themselves and also demands his men to be their best and pay attention to details. It's that setting, as well as a great defense, that has everything to do with the success the Seahawks have had over these last few years. Don't get me wrong, Wilson has had a hand in this too, but he moves the offense because of the scheme and because they win the field position battle week in and week out. His style of play does not transcend the system. His career could have gone the opposite way elsewhere.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/09/07/nfc-scouting-reports-overrated-underrated-players

[Clipper Nation]

Shots fired: Seattle Seahawks QB Russell Wilson named most overrated player in NFL

http://cover32.com/2014/07/24/shots-fired-seattle-seahawks-qb-russell-wilson-named-most-overrated-player-in-nfl/#7YeHhA7jzz1xh9Yg.99

[Clipper Nation]

Russell Wilson: Overrated, and You're Wrong if you Think Otherwisehttp://30minutesofmadnessblog.blogspot.com/2015/10/russell-wilson-overrated-and-youre.html

[Avante]

This is the best football of his life," Seahawks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/seattle-seahawks) cornerback Richard Sherman (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131657/richard-sherman) said Sunday following Seattle's 38-7 road win over the Vikings (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/minnesota-vikings), via ESPN. (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14306250/russell-wilson-becoming-seattle-seahawks-undisputed-franchise-player-right-nfl) "He's playing phenomenally. He's doing it with his legs. He's doing it with his arm. He's making smart decisions. He's getting out of the pocket. He's eliminating negative plays. That's what elite quarterbacks do. He's playing at an All-Pro, Pro Bowl level."The numbers back up Sherman's praise, too. Wilson is second in the NFL in completion percentage (68.5) and third in the league in quarterback rating (106.2). He's not beating teams with dinks and dunks, either, ranking third in yards per attempts (8.5). And with 450 yards on the ground this season, he is just 26 yards behind Cam Newton in rushing among quarterbacks.


There's a reason the playbook on Wilson has always been to keep him in the pocket. It has to be against any quarterback who has the agility that Wilson possesses and the ability to keep his eye level downfield.
The difference this season has been Wilson's play from between the tackles, a place where he has become an unstoppable force.

[Clipper Nation]

Mike Pettine: Russell Wilson not an elite-tier QBhttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000603255/article/mike-pettine-russell-wilson-not-an-elitetier-qb

[Avante]

Though Cam Newton is going to be the NFL’s 2015 MVP, it’s hard to argue that Russell Wilson hasn’t been the league’s best player, especially in the past five weeks, when the fourth-year quarterback is on a historic run of games, all of which have helped turn Seattle from a 4-5 disappointment into a sleeping 9-5 giant. Check out his numbers from those five straight wins:
https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-22-at-10-20-22-am.png?w=1000
Five straight games, with at least three touchdowns and a rating over 120. Or five straight games with a completion percentage at 70% or above and 245 yards. It’s near perfection from all angles. These seemed like unbelievable achievements so, with the help of pro-football-reference’s Player Streak finder (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/player_streak_finder.cgi), we decided to find out just how much.
To start, we looked at how many players had four-game streaks of 3 TDs/120+ rating. Only one quarterback did. Russell Wilson, and his streak is at five.

[Clipper Nation]

Ex-NFL GM Charley Casserly: Russell Wilson not a top-12 QBhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ex-nfl-gm-charley-casserly-russell-wilson-not-a-top-12-qb/

[Clipper Nation]

Kurt Warner on Russell Wilson: 'not a great all-around quarterback yet'

"I still think he's growing," Warner said. "He benefits from the fact that early in his career, great defense, great running game, great running back and he had to be kind of a complimentary player. You know, buy some time, make five, six, seven plays a game and you have chances to win championships.... I still think he has a way to go as a pocket passer, and by that I mean seeing coverages making decisions, understanding what he's seeing within the framework of a play and making those every down plays."

http://jimrome.com/2016/11/21/kurt-warner-on-russell-wilson-not-a-great-all-around-quarterback-yet/

[Avante]

Nunber 5 ranked in the NFL

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A game manager, huh? Thankfully some perceptions die of natural causes. Wilson emerged as a playmaking machine in the second half of last season, doing it all for a Seattle team that needed its quarterback to carry the load without a healthy Marshawn Lynch. Wilson proved that his arm is plenty capable of NFL elite status, and when you combine that with the threat he presents with his legs—on both scripted and improvisational plays—there are only so many ways to defend him. Just remember how Wilson saved the day in the playoffs on that bitterly cold day in Minnesota, when his knack for finding a way to execute even when things were breaking down all around him made the difference for the Seahawks.

[Clipper Nation]

"I still think he's got work to do inside the pocket, their scheme is very simple," Warner said. "I think there's more that he can do inside the pocket with his skill set, and he's just got to grow into being able to see that and trust that."

[Avante]

Patrick Daugherty of Rotoworld ranks every quarterback situation in the NFL. He has the Seahawks at No. 1: Russell Wilson was the No. 75 overall pick of the 2012 draft. Four years later, he's made 74 straight starts, and is coming off a stratospheric 2015 that cemented his standing amongst the elite of the elite.

[Clipper Nation]

Russell Wilson is a game manager. If a team has a great defense, Wilson can hand off, limit turnovers, move the chains and do all the little, if unremarkable, things that need to be done to help his team to victory. That's a game manager.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/15/russell-wilson-game-manager-seattle-seahawks-nfl

[spurraider21]

Shots fired: Seattle Seahawks QB Russell Wilson named most overrated player in NFL

http://cover32.com/2014/07/24/shots-fired-seattle-seahawks-qb-russell-wilson-named-most-overrated-player-in-nfl/#7YeHhA7jzz1xh9Yg.99:lmao flacco #3

[Avante]

Number 4 ranked
2015 regular season statistics: 68.1 completion percentage, 4,024 passing yards, 34 touchdown passes, eight interceptions, 110.1 quarterback rating, 103 rushing attempts, 553 rushing yards, one rushing touchdown, seven fumbles in 16 games
If there was an award for second-half MVP, Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsRu00.htm) would be the most worthy recipient. No. 3 posted a ridiculous 25:2 touchdown-to-interception ratio over the final eight contests, a stretch where he led Seattle to a 6-2 record. Of those final eight games, Wilson had six performances where his quarterback rating was over 100.

[Clipper Nation]

Russell Wilson is just a game manager for the Seahawks

To compare Wilson with an elite player is like comparing a Volvo with a Ferrari. There is no comparison.

It's definitely not elite statistics, with Wilson always needing help from his defense and running game to win games, plus the QB doesn't regularly turn the ball over.

Game managers at the QB position usually need to make 20 great plays a game, but elite sign-callers need to make almost 40 a game.

That's the difference.

http://www.givemesport.com/425888-russell-wilson-is-just-a-game-manager-for-the-seahawks

[Avante]

I could do this for a month all day long, one...Russell Wilson is great....after another. We see him ranked 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 by different sources. I do go with 5....right now.

Joe Flacco, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

NFL: Why the Andrew Luck-Russell Wilson debate is laughableOn a Seahawks team that features arguably the best defense since the '85 Chicago Bears and arguably the NFL's most feared running back, Wilson plays the role of an overqualified game manager... Luck shoulders far more responsibility than Wilson does.

http://fansided.com/2014/09/26/nfl-andrew-luck-russell-wilson-debate-laughable/

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When considering the totality of Russell Wilson's accomplishments, they truly are amazing. True, there are some QB's with more yards, or more TD's, etc., but Wilson is ranked in the top 5 or top 10 of a wide variety of stats over his first three years. One could easily say that overall, Wilson has had the best first three years of any QB in NFL history. Here are a few of his accomplishments:


- Wilson is the first QB in NFL history with a passer rating of over 95.0 in each of his first three seasons.
- Wilson has 24 games with a passer rating of 100+ in his first three seasons...more than any other QB in NFL history. Flacco, Marino, and Palmer are tied for second with 19.
- Wilson leads all QB’s in the NFL over the last 3 years with 10- 4th quarter comebacks and 15- game-winning drives. No other QB in NFL history has ever done this in their first 3 years.
- He is one of only five players with at least 20 touchdown passes in each of first three seasons.
- Wilson is the first and only QB in the Super Bowl era to have average yards per attempt of 7.6 or better in each of his first three seasons.
- Wilson’s career yards per passing attempt of 7.9 is fourth-best of all QB’s since 1951.
- Wilson is ranked #1 in career postseason yards per attempt. His career average of 9.01 (min. 200 pass attempts) is the highest in NFL history.
- Wilson is the only QB in NFL history to appear in two SB's in his first three seasons.
- Wilson holds the record for most passing yards in a playoff game by a rookie QB with 385 yards. The old record was set in 1937 by Sammy Baugh with 335 yards...that record stood for 75 years.
- Wilson is ranked at #2 in all-time career passer rating (min. 1200 attempts) with a 98.6. Only Aaron Rodgers has a higher career passer rating.
- Wilson's passer rating of 98.6 for a player’s first 3 years is the best in NFL history.
- Including postseason, Wilson's passer rating of 98.5 for a player's first three years is the best in NFL history.
- Wilson's postseason passer rating of 97.8 in his first three years is the best in NFL history.
- Wilson’s career postseason passer rating of 97.8 (min. 200 attempts) is the 5th best in NFL history.
- Wilson's TD% of 5.8% in his first three years is the 2nd highest in NFL history; only Dan Marino is higher with 6.9%.
- Wilson's INT% of 2.1% in his first three years is the lowest of any QB in NFL history.
- Wilson is ranked #2 all-time with a career TD to INT ratio of 2.77 (min. 1200 attempts) behind only Rodgers.
- Wilson is ranked #3 all-time with a career INT rate of only 2.1%, behind only Rodgers and Brady.
- Wilson is the first and only QB in NFL history to throw for 300+ yards and run for 100+ yards (313 & 106) in the same game...against the Rams on 10-19-14.
- Only one QB in NFL history had more than one season with more than 20 TD passes and 10 or fewer interceptions in his first three seasons: Wilson, who has had three such seasons.
- His 72 touchdowns are the seventh-most ever through a player’s first three seasons.
- Including the postseason, Wilson has 84 passing TD's in his first three seasons, 4th-most in NFL history.
- Including the postseason, Wilson has 97 passing and rushing TD's in his first three seasons, 3rd-most in NFL history.
- Wilson is ranked #12 all-time for most passing yards by a QB in his first three years with 9950 yards.
- Including the postseason, Wilson is ranked #5 all-time for passing yards by a QB in his first three years with 11770 yards.
- Wilson is ranked #5 all-time for most total yards (passing + rushing) by a QB in his first three years with 11827 yards.
- Including the postseason, Wilson is ranked #2 all-time for most total yards (passing and rushing) by a QB in his first three years with 13902 yards.
- Wilson has the 2nd highest career yards per attempt in SB history with 9.85 yards, behind only Terry Bradshaw.
- Wilson has the 3rd highest career passer rating in SB history with a 117.39, behind only Joe Montana and Jim Plunkett.
- Wilson has the 6th highest career completion % in SB history with 65.22%.
- Wilson has the 4th highest yards per attempt in a SB game with 11.76 yards in SB49.
- Wilson's 1,877 rushing yards is second-most by a QB in the modern era through three seasons behind Cam Newton's 2,032 yards.
- Including the postseason, Wilson has the most rushing yards for a QB in NFL history in his first three seasons with 2132 yards.
- Wilson led all NFL rushers in 2014 with an average of 7.2 yards per carry.
- Wilson has a record of having had a lead at some point in 56 straight games since 2012...the old record was 45 games...Also, in those 56 games, Wilson has never lost an NFL game by more than 9 points.
- Wilson has won 36 games in his first 3 seasons; three more than any other QB in NFL history.
- Including the postseason, Wilson has won 42 games in his first three seasons; 6 more than any other QB in NFL history.


How many times do we read...in NFL history...there?

How could anyone with even half a brain not get all that?

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WATCH: Jon Gruden says Russell Wilson is the best NFL QB

[benefactor]

chirp chirp

[Ghazi]

Wilson is probably a fringe top 10 QB

Seattle isn't really stacked anymore, IMO.. their 2013 and 2014 teams were stacked, but not the last 2 seasons.

the 2014 team was lucky to even be in the superbowl after that fluke comeback v green Bay.

[Avante]

Seahawks’ Russell Wilson is NFL’s most accurate quarterback, Football Outsiders says

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJ3jN-sjok

[Avante]

Only some total moron who don't know shit about the game like this punk Clipper Nation wouldn't get this. And if the little jerk thinks he can post more negative shit about the great Russell Wilson than I can positive he's wrong as usual. How could anyone not see the greatness of Russell Wilson?

His five seasons are the best we have seen by a QB in NFL history.

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb8NF2B7JE0

[Clipper Nation]

Seattle isn't really stacked anymore, IMO..

:lmao

[The Gemini Method]

Who knows. This is all speculation as to how well they'd be with any other quarterback. But they had a whole slew of issues beyond quarterback play yesterday. The D was pathetic in its own right.

[Avante]

Russell Wilson vs. Historical Young Quarterbacks

So the Super Bowl-winning Russell Wilson is the best young quarterback since 2000. Surprised? Oh, it gets better.
In this section, I’ll be looking at every other quarterback that was part of the original 87 (should I capitalize “original”, like it’s a thing?). But unlike the previous sections, I won't be really looking at specific quarterbacks - unfortunately, our Net Expected Points data doesn’t go back to 1925. Instead, I'll look at some traditional metrics, and show you where Wilson's ranked in relation to history.
Before we begin, I think this is a good opportunity to explain one of the main reasons we use Net Expected Points to judge how good or bad a player performs. It's because it captures more of the story. If Quarterback A throws for 200 yards, and Quarterback B throws for 250, should we assume Quarterback B had a better game? What if Quarterback B threw two more interceptions than Quarterback A? What if those interceptions happened in the red zone? What happens if all 250 of those yards came on first and second down, and Quarterback B completed just one of eight passes on third down?
Net Expected Points summarizes each of those individual instances into one nice, clear understandable number. That's why it's so awesome.
Without NEP, truthfully, we’re not as accurate. But there are some things we can still take away from traditional numbers that help prove that Russell Wilson is, indeed, the best young quarterback ever.
Of the 87 passers listed, Russell Wilson’s completion percentage is third best (better than any young quarterback prior to 2000). Wilson's quarterback rating (eww) is the absolute best, even better than Dan Marino’s first three NFL seasons. His touchdown to interception ratio? For Wilson, that's been greater than 2.7 over the first two years of his career. No other young quarterback’s was over 2.25.
How about one of the most widely accepted football statistics, average yards per attempt? Yup, you guessed it – Russell Wilson ranks higher than everyone on the list aside from Otto Graham and Ben Roethlisberger. And when that number is adjusted, he jumps ahead of Big Ben.
With almost any sort of efficiency metric, Russell Wilson is the best.
But just like a lot of what I’ve written about here, a main argument against Wilson is the fact that he plays in an NFL where quarterback passing is more efficient, and that it is easier to be better. Perhaps that’s where Dan Marino’s name pops up as the best youngster to ever toss the pigskin. After all, it's difficult to argue against a sophomore quarterback who threw for over 5,000 yards in an NFL that wasn't so accepting of long balls and pass-first mentalities.
I'm cool with that. If you want Dan Marino to be better, that's fine. At the very least though, I think it’s time we recognize Russell Wilson not just as a game manager, or someone who was in the right place at the right time. We have to look at Wilson as opportunistic – a quarterback who does what he’s asked to do when called upon. Really, are we sure his numbers would suffer if he were to see more opportunity? Are we certain that Russell Wilson is just a product of good coaching, a good defense and smart play calling? Of course that all plays a role, but let's not make it seem as though Wilson's done little.
Wilson's done everything right.

How much somebody have to see? NO NO NO he's not on a par with a Brady, Rodgers or Big Ben, but he is the BEST five year QB ever...OK ????????? And he will get better s they all do.

[Avante]

Like I said this Russell Wilson...is great, is 100 miles long, trust me. WHY??????????????

Why fight the fact I've seen them all since Johnny U, why do I a Niner fan talk this guy up like I do? Could it be because he's special?

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30BnLlhIHdM

[chunticakes]

Chirp chirp, chirpity chirp.

[Clipper Nation]

Like I said this Russell Wilson...is great, is 100 miles long, trust me. WHY??????????????

Why fight the fact I've seen them all since Johnny U, why do I a Niner fan talk this guy up like I do? Could it be because he's special?

You're not a Niners fan, faggot. You're a Struggle Wilson player fan and a Seahawks bandwagoner.

[DD]

man, look at Avante spit-shine that black shaft...Anna Malle (RIP) would be proud

[Avante]

You're not a Niners fan, faggot. You're a Struggle Wilson player fan and a Seahawks bandwagoner.

Little man let's talk Niners, Abe Woodson, Jim Johnson, J.D.Smith, Gary Lewis, Ray Norton, ok? Oh yeah, ya can't.

I can take you back to the very first game in Niner history ya little shit, when they were in the old AAFC. Don't tell me I'm not a Niner fan as I sit here with my Niner cap on drinking my coffee out of my Niner mug, ok?


Here have another totally disagreeing with you shorty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8y19xMqs8Q

[Clipper Nation]

Chirp chirp, chirpity chirp.

[Avante]

translation

Avante kicking my boney little ass as usual, when will I learn to stay on my level? The guys knows football.

[Clipper Nation]

Chirp chirp, chirpity chirp. 

[Avante]

Some dumb fuck who thinks Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton who bitchs and complains 100% of the time about 100% of everything trying to peddle that Russell Wilson isnt a great YOUNG QB, hahahaha~~~~~

Clipper Nation, I know ya don't read all that stuff the guy has done, if ya did you'd see that he's doing things never seen before. He's had the best first five seasons in NFL history, but being an obvious moron ya can't see it.

The NFL players rank him 17th (5 QB) in the NFL, Gruden says he's the best, Cowherd naiLed it as did Aikman and Jaworski. Ya want more?

[Avante]

 

translation

Uncle, I know when I'm whipped. Avante you are "Da Man".

[chunticakes]

man, look at Avante spit-shine that black shaft...Anna Malle (RIP) would be proud

:lol:lol:lol

[SpursforSix]

Little man, it's not about....MY...opinions, ok? It's about others agreeing with me, ok? Everyone who knows the game gets the greatness of Russell Wilson.

The young guy is doing things never seen before, he has NFL records and firsts, and is a SB champion.

I've been into this stuff since around 1959 (10 years old), I've seen them all. Ya think I just might know what I;m talking about?

Cool the internet in hiding bullshit and talk like a grown man, ok?

Ok Crickets...I'll play along and indulge you. I just Googled Russell Wilson and here's what came up.
Seems legit to me.


Why does Russell Wilson Suck Balls? (https://www.reddit.com/r/MaddenUltimateTeam/comments/3k5cyc/why_does_russell_wilson_suck_balls/)
submitted 1 year ago by swill47 (https://www.reddit.com/user/swill47)
I tried using him last year, and this year I just picked him up in Draft Champs, and he missed at least 6 wide open passes, one ending in an interception that cost me the game. I just don't get it.

[Avante]

man, look at Avante spit-shine that black shaft...Anna Malle (RIP) would be proud

Grow up little man, ok?

[SpursforSix]

Do this for me, ok? Google...Russell Wilson a great QB...and tell me what ya find. Then do that for Eli and Flacco.

TONS...of others out there saying the same things I say about Wilson.

Or in case you don't follow swill47, this one is from Sports Illustrated:


http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/09/07/nfc-scouting-reports-overrated-underrated-players

Overrated: Russell Wilson

Russell Wilson is not an elite quarterback. Pete Carroll has created an environment where he encourages individuals to be themselves and also demands his men to be their best and pay attention to details. It’s that setting, as well as a great defense, that has everything to do with the success the Seahawks have had over these last few years. Don’t get me wrong, Wilson has had a hand in this too, but he moves the offense because of the scheme and because they win the field position battle week in and week out. His style of play does not transcend the system. His career could have gone the opposite way elsewhere.

[Avante]

Ok Crickets...I'll play along and indulge you. I just Googled Russell Wilson and here's what came up.
Seems legit to me.

Dude, ya follow me everywhere I go, and you will indulge me, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~

[SpursforSix]

Dude, ya follow me everywhere I go, and you will indulge me, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~

The only people following you are the agents from the FBI Pedo Task Force.

[Avante]

Or in case you don't follow swill47, this one is from Sports Illustrated:

Then there's...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIarRljRIuo

[Avante]

The only people following you are the agents from the FBI Pedo Task Force.

Dude, will you ever figure out what actually went on over there? Ya come off totally stupid,ok?

[Avante]

Gotta go, I do get a kick out of pointing out the obvious, hahaha~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

No end to it...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ulNEYeLgC4

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Xl4COyl_4

Want more?

[benefactor]

Chirp chirp, chirpity chirp.

[unleashbaynes]

:lmao when Wilson's team fails it's his fault. When Andrew Tannehill's team fails it's everyone else's fault.

[Avante]

It is funny.

Derek Anderson has a pass bounce off some hands for an INT it's the receivers fault. Russell Wilson has two passes bounce off receivers it's his fault, hahaha~~~~~~~

Only a fool couldn't see what this young guy is doing. So many NFL firsts for a guy with 5 seasons experience. What more does he need to do?

This isn't enought.....

Winningest QB ever with 5 seasons experiences
Never missed a game and never sat on the bench
Only QB ever with two 100 rating to start a career
Three times as many TD's as INT's
NFL record...4000/30/500
Led the NFL in 2015 with a 110.1 QB rating
Came within a yard of winning two SB's in his first three seasons
Has won a playoff game every season
Most 4th Quarter comebacks since he entered the league than any QB.
Now toss in his rushing stats

What more does he need to do?

[Avante]

Only a blind man would fail to see the greatness.

Look at this amazing athlete, wow~~~~~~~~~~


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiAMbIdO6RM

Leaves the college game as the single season passing efficency leader, walks right in beats out the big $$$$ guy then precedes to win a SB in his second season, almost two in his third and sets NFL records, winning more games than any QB ever at the same stage of a career.

How could anyone not get that?

[benefactor]

You know what I don't get? This loud ass cricket that's chirping. Need to find his ass. Annoying, tbh.

[Avante]

You know what I don't get? This loud ass cricket that's chirping. Need to find his ass. Annoying, tbh.

Sad to watch just how bad ya have Avanteitist. He's all ya do here little guy.

Are you ever going to grow up little fella?

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao when Wilson's team fails it's his fault. When Andrew Tannehill's team fails it's everyone else's fault.

Pretty much. And Luck is probably one of the most overrated QBS of all time

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao when Wilson's team fails it's his fault. When Andrew Tannehill's team fails it's everyone else's fault.

Wilson's team has an elite head coach, one of the greatest defenses in NFL history, Team Leader Rawls, Jimmy Graham, and Doug Baldwin (the best slot receiver in the league).

Luck's team has T.Y. Hilton, the corpses of Frank Gore and Adam Vinatieri, and....?

The fact that Struggle is still a pedestrian game manager who shits the bed in the playoffs and can't function with even just one player missing from his historically-stacked secondary is downright pathetic. He would be out of the league already if he got drafted to this Colts team, with a loser coach and no O-line or defense.

People are easier on Luck because we see the garbage he's had to work with his whole career. It's downright criminal how badly the Colts have failed to put a real team around him. And one of the biggest reasons why Struggle is so polarizing is because people like you and Crickets pretend he's better than actual franchise quarterbacks while ignoring the insanely stacked team that carries him every week.

[Clipper Nation]

Seriously, Struggle Wilson nuthuggers are the Kobe fans of the NFL. They shit all over objectively better players while their mancrush's stacked teams win in spite of them.

[djohn2oo8]

you don't need a great defense to win the AFC South :lol

Andrew Cuck :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Just because the Texans have sunk tons of picks and money into their defense and continue to be a joke doesn't mean you can realistically expect Luck to get by with the garbage fire Indy calls a defense. And the O-line is an even bigger issue than the defense. Only Cleveland has given up more sacks this year than the Colts. Luck's already played behind 35 different O-line combinations in his career, all of them shitty. I'm not saying he needs a perfect O-line like the Cowboys or Raiders, but you can't keep putting him out there behind a bunch of turnstiles and letting him get flattened.

[unleashbaynes]

:lmao losing to the Texans. That same team with Matt Hasselbeck beat the Texans last year.

[unleashbaynes]

Jacoby Brissett destroyed the Texans :lol

[Avante]

Seriously, Struggle Wilson nuthuggers are the Kobe fans of the NFL. They shit all over objectively better players while their mancrush's stacked teams win in spite of them.

Do you understand PASSING STATS....at all? So the fact he led the NFL with a 110.1 passer ratings was because of the defense? The fact he has done things never seen before by any five season QB is because of the defense.

You ever see the guy the play? So how come all those articles/videos agree with me and not you?

So he was the 5th ranked QB in the NFL last season by the players was because of his defense?

Dude, anyone telling us that Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton obviously knows shit about football. And everytime I read you it becomes more clear that you don't understand the game at all.

Where is his Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, GRONK?

I think I'll go with what those who understand football say about Wilson, nort some freak who calls everyone a faggot and thinks Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton and the great Peyton Manning sucks,

Clipper Nation, you're an idiot, ok?

I post that long list of all the historical things the young guy has done and you totally ignore all of it. You totally ignore reality. ya wander around in a fantasy land little fella, we all see it.

[Avante]

This is a pedestrian game manager, hahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMFq23KzNDg


What ya do midget is totally ignore those articals and these videos, you won't watch this one, so ya stay ignorant as to just what it really going on with this great young QB.

Google...the great Russell Wilson
Youtube...Russell Wilson is fantastic

(You won't, ya like stupid)

So why do soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many who know football totally disagree with your Anderson is better than Cum ass.

His fellow NFLers ranked him....

2013...22
2014....20
2015...17

...as best players in the NFL.

None of them hang on a messageboard calling everyone a faggot, ok stupid?

Chirp for us dummy, ok?

[johnsmith]

Avante, you should write up another fictional interview with Wilson.....that's always a sure fire sign of a guy that is enjoying his retirement.....ya know, by spending all day every day on the Internet getting shit on by a bunch of people you will never meet while pretending to be big and tough and accusing others of hiding.

[Clipper Nation]

Do you understand PASSING STATS....at all? So the fact he led the NFL with a 110.1 passer ratings was because of the defense?

No, you don't understand passing stats. I've already explained to you in detail multiple times why passer rating is a flawed stat that overrates game managers like Struggle Wilson. You just aren't interested in understanding why others aren't nearly as impressed by him as you are. You just spam the same old shit over and over again and then declare victory when everyone else decides they have better things to do with their time than argue with a brick wall.

[Avante]

No, you don't understand passing stats. I've already explained to you in detail multiple times why passer rating is a flawed stat that overrates game managers like Struggle Wilson. You just aren't interested in understanding why others aren't nearly as impressed by him as you are. You just spam the same old shit over and over again and then declare victory when everyone else decides they have better things to do with their time than argue with a brick wall.

If ya watched the videos, read the articles you'd see that yes others are as impressed with him as I am.

Dude, his fellow players see him among the top 25 (22, 20, 17) players in the league. What about that don't you get?

And you are 100% wrong about passer rating, which doesn't surprise me.

Dude, you can't even figure out there is a reason Derek Anderson sits on a bench, ok? Calling the great Peyton Manning names......why? Bragging on the very average Joe Flacco, hahaha~~~~

Sorry little fella but all I see from you is a little punk who don't know shit about game, ok?

Tune in Thursday night and listen to how many times Jon Gruden (who know far more about the game than you do) brags on Russell Wilson, ok?

I can hear him already....this Russell Wilson is incredible.

A guy who brags on Derek Anderson has no business talking football at all.

Gruden on Wilson...

And though most questioned the selection of Wilson in the third round of that draft, ESPN’s Jon Gruden was one of the few voices who lauded the pick. At the time it seemed the team was set at quarterback, but Gruden was one of the first to predict the rookie from Wisconsin could win the starting job. “I love this pick,” he said. “If I were Matt Flynn and Tarvaris Jackson, I’d be leery of this kid. … If you give this kid a legitimate chance to win this job, he’ll win it. That’s how much confidence I have.”

When will your dumbass FINALLY figure this out?

I do hear it now....

Gruden...5-11, drafted in the third round, and all the guy does is make plays, I like this Russell Wilson.

[Avante]

Avante, you should write up another fictional interview with Wilson.....that's always a sure fire sign of a guy that is enjoying his retirement.....ya know, by spending all day every day on the Internet getting shit on by a bunch of people you will never meet while pretending to be big and tough and accusing others of hiding.

That coming from a guy who does nothing here but Avante, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~

[Blake]

But what should be done about the pedo problem in olangapo

[Avante]

But what should be done about the pedo problem in olangapo

Dude, this is a football forum, ok?

Will you ever grow up?

[benefactor]

If ya watched the videos, read the articles you'd see that yes others are as impressed with him as I am.

Dude, his fellow players see him among the top 25 (22, 20, 17) players in the league. What about that don't you get?

And you are 100% wrong about passer rating, which doesn't surprise me.

Dude, you can't even figure out there is a reason Derek Anderson sits on a bench, ok? Calling the great Peyton Manning names......why? Bragging on the very average Joe Flacco, hahaha~~~~

Sorry little fella but all I see from you is a little punk who don't know shit about game, ok?

Tune in Thursday night and listen to how many times Jon Gruden (who know far more about the game than you do) brags on Russell Wilson, ok?

I can hear him already....this Russell Wilson is incredible.

A guy who brags on Derek Anderson has no business talking football at all.

Gruden on Wilson...

And though most questioned the selection of Wilson in the third round of that draft, ESPN’s Jon Gruden was one of the few voices who lauded the pick. At the time it seemed the team was set at quarterback, but Gruden was one of the first to predict the rookie from Wisconsin could win the starting job. “I love this pick,” he said. “If I were Matt Flynn and Tarvaris Jackson, I’d be leery of this kid. … If you give this kid a legitimate chance to win this job, he’ll win it. That’s how much confidence I have.”

When will your dumbass FINALLY figure this out?

I do hear it now....

Gruden...5-11, drafted in the third round, and all the guy does is make plays, I like this Russell Wilson.
Well I found this and its far more relevant tbh


Introduction

Do you love to hear the pulsing chirp of crickets as you fall asleep? It is an unmistakable sound. Some people find the sound pleasing and peaceful whereas others find it loud and annoying, especially if a cricket happens to find refuge from the cold inside a home. However you feel about crickets, their chirps hold a surprising message—they can report the temperature! In this activity, you'll investigate how the chirps of these tiny creatures can be used as a kind of thermometer!

Background

How is a cricket's chirp related to temperature? Crickets, like all living things, have many chemical reactions going on inside their bodies, such as reactions that allow muscles to contract to produce chirping. Crickets, like all insects, are cold-blooded and take on the temperature of their surroundings. This affects how quickly these chemical muscle reactions can occur. Specifically, a formula called the Arrhenius equation describes the activation, or threshold, energy required to make these reactions occur. As the temperature rises, it becomes easier to reach a certain activation energy, thereby allowing chemical reactions, such as the ones that allow a cricket to chirp, to occur more rapidly. Conversely, as the temperature falls, the reaction rates slow, causing the chirping to diminish along with it.

How do crickets make their distinctive chirp? They use a process called stridulation, where special body parts are rubbed together to make a noise. Generally only male crickets do this; there's a special structure on the tops of their wings, called a scraper. When they want to make their sound, they raise their wings to a 45-degree angle and draw the scraper of one wing across wrinkles on the underside of the other wing, called a file. It's somewhat like running your finger along the teeth of a comb.

Materials

• Outdoor temperature between 55 and 100 degrees Fahrenheit (12 and 38 degrees Celsius)—during an evening is ideal
• Access to an outdoor area with crickets or purchase crickets from a pet store
• Outdoor thermometer
• Stopwatch
• Piece of scratch paper and pencil or pen

Preparation

• Set up a thermometer to measure the outdoor temperature in the area where you will observe the crickets.
• While it's between 55 and 100 degrees F outside (and keeping in mind that evenings are usually best for hearing crickets chirping) go to the area where crickets are. Make sure you hear some chirping.
• Alternatively, if you purchase crickets, set them outside in a cage in the shade that allows the outside air to easily reach them. Wait until you hear chirping.

Procedure

• Pick out the chirping sound of a single cricket.
• Count how many chirps the cricket makes in 14 seconds. How many? Write this number down.
• Do this two more times, counting how many chirps the cricket makes in two more 14-second intervals. Write these numbers down. How close were the numbers to one another?
• Average the number of chirps in the 14-second intervals.
• Add 40 to the average number of chirps in 14 seconds. This equation (which is one of the oldest and easiest to use cricket-thermometer equations) is published in the Farmers' Almanac. It should give you the approximate temperature in degrees F. According to the cricket, what is the temperature?
• Check the temperature on the outdoor thermometer. How close is the temperature based on the cricket chirps to the thermometer reading? If they are different, by how much are they different? Why do you think they might be different?
• Extra: To see how accurate it is to use a cricket to tell the temperature in general, repeat this activity with different outdoor temperatures (but stay within the 55- to 100-degree F range). How accurate is the cricket at telling the temperature when it is getting warmer or colder outside? How accurate does it seem overall?
• Extra: Based on the Farmers' Almanac, you can use a cricket to tell the temperature in degrees C by counting the number of chirps in 25 seconds, dividing this number by 3 and then adding 4. According to the cricket, what is the temperature in degrees C? How accurate is this?
• Extra: For an advanced challenge, compare which equation gives the best fit with your calculated temperature data: The linear Farmers' Almanac equations (used in this activity) or the Arrhenius equation, which contains an exponential factor. Information on the Arrhenius equation can be found in the "More to explore" section on the next page. Which equation is most accurate?
• Extra: Compare the chirps of different species of crickets or different insects altogether, such as katydids. Which critter makes the best "insect thermometer"?


Observations and results

Was the temperature based on the cricket's chirps close to the actual outdoor thermometer temperature, and maybe off by only a few degrees F?

As far back as the late 1800s there have been articles published noting that a cricket's chirp rate (or number of chirps per second that it makes) changes consistently based on the outdoor temperature. There have been many equations published describing the relationship between the number of chirps per second and the temperature. These equations all vary slightly, depending on the species of cricket. Using this activity, you may have found that the cricket was within about 5 degrees F of the temperature measured using the outdoor thermometer, and probably even closer than that. If you repeated this activity multiple times and found that, based on the cricket's chirps, it's was colder than the thermometer read, this could be because the cricket was farther away from a warm building than the thermometer was, and/or because the cricket was closer to the cold soil. The snowy tree cricket is frequently cited as the most accurate at predicting temperature.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bring-science-home-cricket-temperature/

[Avante]

There is no end to this....







Former NFL QB Trent Dilfer said it's "mind-boggling" how many myths Russell Wilson has busted. (AP)
There’s been plenty of debate about where Russell Wilson ranks in the annals of franchise (http://www.spurstalk.com/292/2868092/Is-Russell-Wilson-already-the-best-QB-in-Seahawks-franchise-history) and NFL quarterback history. (http://www.spurstalk.com/292/2865890/Is-Seahawks-Russell-Wilson-the-greatest-dualthreat-QB-ever)
Early in the season, the question was if he’d already peaked as a talented game-manager. Then he had his historic five-game streak, and Seahawks coach Pete Carroll proclaimed that the fourth-year QB will continue to improve. (http://www.spurstalk.com/292/2885181/The-Pete-Carroll-Show-Best-is-yet-to-come-for-Russell-Wilson) Now, even some of Wilson’s fellow Super Bowl-winning QBs are starting to marvel.
ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer, who won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, joined “Brock and Salk” (http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_player_sports/?a=9996900&p=1007&n=Brock%20and%20Salk) and said there are different layers to a quarterback, and what blows him away most about Wilson is that the only intuitive playmaking QB who was also a top-three pocket passer was his fellow Monday Night Football commentator, Hall of Famer Steve Young.
“We sit there and talk about it, and Steve even at times says ‘I think he’s better than me at this, I think he’s better than I was at that,'” Dilfer said. “He’s truly become one of the greatest players in the National Football League.”
Related: Seahawks’ Irvin admits Minnesota isn’t his ideal first-round destination (http://www.spurstalk.com/292/2885759/Bruce-Irvin-admits-Minnesota-isnt-his-ideal-firstround-destination)
Dilfer added that Wilson has proven him and most everybody else wrong about his abilities, saying he had a hard time explaining what he is doing without delving into esoteric conversation.
“It’s mind-boggling how many myths he’s busting each time he plays football,” he said.
Brock Huard texted two other Super Bowl champions – Kurt Warner and Phil Simms – asking them for three words that define what Wilson is doing.
Simms’ response: “NFL Top 5.”
“Let’s get over this, please,” Simms added. “He is one of the top five quarterbacks in this league, hands down. One rifle throw after another. Everybody knows the plays that are coming and he still rips it in there. Quote me, he is top five.”
Warner followed suit, writing the words “confident,” “complete” and “evolving.”
“Only thing left is ‘consistency’ of playing at this level from a passing standpoint,” Warner texted. “If he can do this for the bulk of his career we will one day be talking about him as one of the best to play the game!”
When it comes to the top 5 debate, Huard said there is simply no way to deny Wilson anymore.
“Who could you possibly debate that right now at the end of the season?” Huard asked. “What do you want to see? Four-thousand yards? Done. Elevate and transcend the players around him? Done. Can it be all on him? Done.”
Huard said the days of analysts putting Wilson in the second or third tiers of NFL quarterbacks are over.
“It’s done, it’s flushed. He is a level-one quarterback,” Huard said. “He is top five in the game.”

Why do I doubt Warner, Simms, Dilfer and Huard would see Derek Anderson being better than Cam Newton and Peyton Manning sucking?

Ron Jaworski
Pete Carroll
Colin Cowherd
Stephen A. Smith
Brock Huard
Phil Simms
Troy Aikman
Kurt Warner
Trent Dilfer
Steve Young
Jon Gruden

all think RW is great, so do we go with them or....faggot faggot faggot faggot everyone but Derek Anderson is a faggot faggot faggot...hmmmm?

[Avante]

What does Warren Moon know compared to....faggot faggot faggot faggot?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzGtu9eYvtY

[djohn2oo8]

Just because the Texans have sunk tons of picks and money into their defense and continue to be a joke doesn't mean you can realistically expect Luck to get by with the garbage fire Indy calls a defense. And the O-line is an even bigger issue than the defense. Only Cleveland has given up more sacks this year than the Colts. Luck's already played behind 35 different O-line combinations in his career, all of them shitty. I'm not saying he needs a perfect O-line like the Cowboys or Raiders, but you can't keep putting him out there behind a bunch of turnstiles and letting him get flattened.
What's funny is these Wilson haters will say all day about how Luck has such a terrible o-line, when it is ranked 22nd and Seattle's o-line is ranked 29th :lol funny how that is

22. Indianapolis Colts (68.0)The Colts have allowed the most total pressures in the entire league, at 159, in 409 pass-blocking snaps. Only two lines have been asked to pass protect on more snaps (Green Bay and Jacksonville), but that still is the worst rate in the league, and a total that would be one of the worst we have seen over the past decade. The issue, though, is that Andrew Luck holds the ball longer than any QB in the league outside of Tyrod Taylor, averaging 2.75 seconds per attempt, so this line is pass blocking longer than nearly any other unit. The starting five is less of an issue than the depth, but any time they have been forced to the bench, things have been ugly. Jack Mewhort has yet to allow a single sack or hit across 298 pass-blocking snaps at guard

:lmao
Andrew Cuck

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/dTIzSnV.jpg

[djohn2oo8]

What's funny is these Wilson haters will say all day about how Luck has such a terrible o-line, when it is ranked 22nd and Seattle's o-line is ranked 29th :lol funny how that is

22. Indianapolis Colts (68.0)

The Colts have allowed the most total pressures in the entire league, at 159, in 409 pass-blocking snaps. Only two lines have been asked to pass protect on more snaps (Green Bay and Jacksonville), but that still is the worst rate in the league, and a total that would be one of the worst we have seen over the past decade. The issue, though, is that Andrew Luck holds the ball longer than any QB in the league outside of Tyrod Taylor, averaging 2.75 seconds per attempt, so this line is pass blocking longer than nearly any other unit. The starting five is less of an issue than the depth, but any time they have been forced to the bench, things have been ugly. Jack Mewhort has yet to allow a single sack or hit across 298 pass-blocking snaps at guard

:lmao
Andrew Cuck

[Avante]

http://i.imgur.com/dTIzSnV.jpg


Translation

Avante whipped my little ass so bad I'm now down to chirping like a little cricket, what a stud he is, yep,...DA MAN. Hell I feel weird caling him faggot anymore and everyone but the great Derek Anderson is a faggot.

[benefactor]

Love it or hate it, but you can't ignore it. It is not unusual to hear the loud chirping of crickets in the garden, any moment of silence and you're bound to hear it. Crickets are leaping insects characterized by their chirping noise. They are part of the family Gryllidae which has approximately 900 species.

Crickets are a part of folklore and mythology in many cultures. In Brazil, the singing of crickets is believed to be a sign of impending rains. In Barbados, a cricket is not killed or evicted if it chirps inside a house, as it is believed that a loud cricket means money is coming in. In some cultures, a cricket announces death, thus it is killed if it chirps in a house. In some countries in Asia, crickets are believed to bring good luck, they are often kept in cages as house pets.

Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/facts-about-cricket-insect.html

[Clipper Nation]

It’s hard to hear anything over the chirping. Cardboard boxes filled with egg cartons and sheets of plastic buzz with thousands of young-adult crickets calling out to one another to mate. The brush of the insects’ legs against the various surfaces sounds like hail on a tin roof. Their feed, which sits on top of the cartons on paper plates, looks like a cross between sawdust and sand.
Gabriel Mott, the chief operating officer of Aspire Food Group, yells above the noise and points inside one of the boxes. “You see the one with the wings?” he asks. “That’s a female. They get their wings at their final stage.”

[Avante]

It’s hard to hear anything over the chirping. Cardboard boxes filled with egg cartons and sheets of plastic buzz with thousands of young-adult crickets calling out to one another to mate. The brush of the insects’ legs against the various surfaces sounds like hail on a tin roof. Their feed, which sits on top of the cartons on paper plates, looks like a cross between sawdust and sand.
Gabriel Mott, the chief operating officer of Aspire Food Group, yells above the noise and points inside one of the boxes. “You see the one with the wings?” he asks. “That’s a female. They get their wings at their final stage.”

translation

Avante, ignore all those NFL firsts that Wilson has accomplished, ok? It's all about having a RB, ok? That and a defense. ok? If a QB has a stud RB/D he can never be any good, ok? QB's MUST play on a shitty team, ok? If they do only then can we look at them as great QB's, ok?

I know, I know, the young guy has won all those games, set those records, his peers see him as one of the top five QB's in the NFL, that is all bullshit, ok? Russell Wilson sucks, and if he played on any other team he'd already be out of the league probably be selling used cars and he'd suck at that also,ok?

Derek Anderson, now there's a stud QB, all that time he has sat on benchs has him ready to go, forget all those turnovers the last two times we saw him, flukes.

[Avante]

Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/facts-about-cricket-insect.html

translation

My wife has put on 40 pounds of fat, my kids think I'm weird so here I have Avante seeing if you will talk to me. I'm in my trying to be cute and funny mood right now as you can see. Just bare with me, I get more boring. You really are the highlight of my days now that sex with that pig has become disgusting and I lost my job for being an idiot. So let's chirp together, ok big guy, 1..2..3....chirp chirp chirp...do we know how to party or what?

[benefactor]

chirp chirp

[Avante]

chirp chirp

I guess it's time to just put this one on ignore, the immaturity simply too much.

[Clipper Nation]

chirp chirp

[Avante]

Then ya wonder why I pay no attention to anything ya say. This is what dumbass kids play.


Thursday night we will hear Gruden singing the praises of Russell Wilson, be sure and think of Avante,ok ya little freak?

Seattle coming off a bad loss now at home vs a rookie QB and a team that just fired their coach, boy this should be close, huh?

[Avante]

Joe Flacco has never played in a pro bowl, ha~~~~~

Russell Wilson a pro bowl MVP.

No end to this...

Wilson broke numerous Seahawks single season passing records in 2015, including most passing yards (4,024), most passing touchdowns (34) and highest passer rating (110.1).[96] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-96) He became the first Seahawks quarterback to throw for over 4,000 yards in a season, and finished the year with the highest passer rating in the NFL.[97] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-97)[98] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-98) On December 22, 2015, Wilson was named to his third Pro Bowl (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/2016_Pro_Bowl).[99] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-99)

[benefactor]

I guess it's time to just put this one on ignore, the immaturity simply too much.
:cry

[Clipper Nation]

chirp chirp

[Blake]

Then ya wonder why I pay no attention to anything ya say.

Cricket irony

[Avante]

Getting back to the title of this thread.

We must talk about Flacco and Eli as a rookie just entering the NFL like Wilson was. All anyone has to do is look at what Flacco/Eli did in their first 4 seasons compared to what Wilson has done. Talk about a dramatic difference, damn!

I won't even bother to post the stats proving the silliness here, it's ridiculous, trust me. Wilson was a star from day one, that was not Flacco/Eli.

Just this...

The highest QB rating in their first 4 seasons.

Flacco...93.6
Eli...77.0...hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Russell Wilson's lowest QB rating...95.0 His highest...110.1 to lead the NFL.

Let me guess, ya don't get it.

[leemajors]

chirp chirp

[Clipper Nation]

chirp chirp

[Avante]

You really this immature?

Tell us all again about Eli/Flacco who were average at best starting out were a better fit than the great Russell Wilson?

Do you ever take a few minutes and bone up on this stuff at all?

[benefactor]

chirp chirp

[Clipper Nation]

chirp chirp

[Blake]

http://img04.deviantart.net/4aa2/i/2015/161/4/e/fat_jiminy_cricket_for_brandykoopa_by_mcsaurus-d8wsixs.jpg

[benefactor]

:lol

[unleashbaynes]

What's funny is these Wilson haters will say all day about how Luck has such a terrible o-line, when it is ranked 22nd and Seattle's o-line is ranked 29th :lol funny how that is

22. Indianapolis Colts (68.0)The Colts have allowed the most total pressures in the entire league, at 159, in 409 pass-blocking snaps. Only two lines have been asked to pass protect on more snaps (Green Bay and Jacksonville), but that still is the worst rate in the league, and a total that would be one of the worst we have seen over the past decade. The issue, though, is that Andrew Luck holds the ball longer than any QB in the league outside of Tyrod Taylor, averaging 2.75 seconds per attempt, so this line is pass blocking longer than nearly any other unit. The starting five is less of an issue than the depth, but any time they have been forced to the bench, things have been ugly. Jack Mewhort has yet to allow a single sack or hit across 298 pass-blocking snaps at guard

:lmao
Andrew Cuck

Conveniently ignored

[johnsmith]

That coming from a guy who does nothing here but Avante, hahahahaha~~~~~~~~

Come on pal....just one piece of avante fan fiction?

[Avante]

Come on pal....just one piece of avante fan fiction?

The minute you click on this site, the first thing you do is...Avante....hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~

Let's talk football, ok guy, you get too wraped up in Avante.

Your Broncos once had a 250 pound fullback from Villanova named...Billy Joe...who has a great great pose on his rookie card. He would win the AFL Rookie of the Year, he was a load.

See ya learned something.

http://www.footballcardgallery.com/1964_Topps/50/Billy_Joe/

[SpursforSix]

I smell fart.

[johnsmith]

The minute you click on this site, the first thing you do is...Avante....hahahahaha~~~~~~~~~

Let's talk football, ok guy, you get too wraped up in Avante.

Your Broncos once had a 250 pound fullback from Villanova named...Billy Joe...who has a great great pose on his rookie card. He would win the AFL Rookie of the Year, he was a load.

See ya learned something.

http://www.footballcardgallery.com/1964_Topps/50/Billy_Joe/

Chirp

[Avante]

It's always funny watching how people act when confronted by somebody who they know knows more about things than they do. I do have fun with it and used to it. I do get it, and it's cute.

[Avante]

This is all about a stud RB and a monster D as we can see.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zdrcwlq0wM

NCAA all time single season passing leader
SB Champion in second season
SB in third season
playoff win in every season
NFL record 4000/30/500
NFL record 100.0 101.2 QB rating in first two seasons
Most wins in NFL history after 5 seasons
Most 4th quarter comebacks since he came into the NFL

How could anyone not get this, then ya watch the guy play and he's amazing.

There is no QB who has done what he has done with just five seasons of NFL experience.

[Chews]

Out of all the QB's you choose Flacco and Eli? lmfao.. and call them a "real QB"? lmfao

[Raven]

Do you understand PASSING STATS....at all? So the fact he led the NFL with a 110.1 passer ratings was because of the defense? The fact he has done things never seen before by any five season QB is because of the defense.

You ever see the guy the play? So how come all those articles/videos agree with me and not you?

So he was the 5th ranked QB in the NFL last season by the players was because of his defense?

Dude, anyone telling us that Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton obviously knows shit about football. And everytime I read you it becomes more clear that you don't understand the game at all.

Where is his Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, GRONK?

I think I'll go with what those who understand football say about Wilson, nort some freak who calls everyone a faggot and thinks Derek Anderson is better than Cam Newton and the great Peyton Manning sucks,

Clipper Nation, you're an idiot, ok?

I post that long list of all the historical things the young guy has done and you totally ignore all of it. You totally ignore reality. ya wander around in a fantasy land little fella, we all see it.

passer rating is not a passing stat. It is an arbitrary calculation with weighted numbers. Whenever you are not working with raw data, the quality of the algorithm depends on the context.

[Avante]

passer rating is not a passing stat. It is an arbitrary calculation with weighted numbers. Whenever you are not working with raw data, the quality of the algorithm depends on the context.

Have a shitty comp%, more INT's than TD;s and see if it's a passer rating, ok?

[Avante]

I can hear it now in tonights game.

(something to the effect of) Russell Wilson is amazing, he was too short, drafted in the third round as a back up, and all he does is win games and make plays.

All you haters who don't get it, tune in and see what all the fuss is about, ok? See why his competitors rank him the 17th best player (5 QB) in the league, see why he has all those records and NFL firsts.

[benefactor]

chirp chirp

[Chris]

3 maybe 4 imo