How Russia Wins an Election

[Wild Cobra]

Obama administration is close to announcing measures to punish Russia for election interference

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-white-house-is-scrambling-for-a-way-to-punish-russian-hackers-via-sanctions/2016/12/27/0eee2fdc-c58f-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?utm_term=.ab3dc3f66dc6&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

What international tribunal were they found guilty under?

[boutons_deux]

What international tribunal were they found guilty under?

Since when do you and other rightwingnutjobs GAF about international/supranational courts?

[Wild Cobra]

Since when do you and other rightwingnutjobs GAF about international/supranational courts?
Isn't it proper that you abide by what you see as right?

[boutons_deux]

Isn't it proper that you abide by what you see as right?

Since when do you and other rightwingnutjobs GAF about international/supranational courts?

[Wild Cobra]

Since when do you and other rightwingnutjobs GAF about international/supranational courts?

I do not acknowledge international courts have any power governing us.

However, the left loves to argue international courts, and I believe you have too. I am not the one being hypocritical. I am only holding you to your own standard.

Don't you see?

I am trying to protect you from being hypocritical!

[boutons_deux]

I do not acknowledge international courts have any power governing us.

However, the left loves to argue international courts, and I believe you have too. I am not the one being hypocritical. I am only holding you to your own standard.

Don't you see?

I am trying to protect you from being hypocritical!

you brought up intl court and law, not me.

USA doesn't need to ask permission of anybody to fuck Russia up. I'd like to see freezing of Russian-owned real estate and funds, at least.

[DMX7]

What international tribunal were they found guilty under?

LMAO... from a clown who probably supported the Iraq war.

[Trill Clinton]

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[Spurminator]

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I look forward to seeing the declassified info and Congressional report.

[Thread]

http://i67.tinypic.com/xm8tps.jpg

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[pgardn]

He is gonna make Trump have the honor of restoring the relationship with such forthright dictator.

"so Vlad, you were telling me how to not so subtly knock off the political opposition... I believe we were on the use of radioactive material in the food..."

Vlad: " Now you must concentrate Donald, we have already been over this method..."

[DJR210]

:lol Obama

[mavsfan1000]

Obama is trying to start a war. Fuck him.

[SnakeBoy]

Konstantin Kosachyov, the head of the foreign affairs committee in the upper house of the Russian Parliament, told Interfax that “this is the agony not even of ‘lame ducks,’ but of ‘political corpses.’”

:lol weak ass Obama

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I find it hilarious the mouth breathing right wingers who now support Russia and take their rhetoric at face value.

[DMC]

LOL...

So now they are admitting to two hacker groups.

LOL...
Maybe one should ask a simple question...

Why would a foreign entity want to hack the DNC?

Imagine you're Putin. Would you want the prospect of knowing you're going to have to call Hillary "madam President" in your meetings?

[mavsfan1000]

I find it hilarious the mouth breathing right wingers who now support Russia and take their rhetoric at face value.
So we should start a War with every country we disagree with? You know Russia is one of the leaders in the arms race. It's stupid what Obama is doing. I guess he figures his life is over anyways. Might as well go out with a bang. Lol

[DJR210]

Obama Administration looking like a straight up sore losing bitch.. Can't get the bitch in office so try and stir shit up and ruin Trump and Putin's understanding.. Obama bullshitting the American public about the hacks just like he bullshitted about dumping Osama in the ocean tbh.

Supply proof or stfu IMO, no point for this shit one, 20 days before leaving office, and two knowing Trump is just gonna reverse his executive order anyway.

[SnakeBoy]

I find it hilarious the mouth breathing right wingers who now support Russia and take their rhetoric at face value.

I find it hilarious the triggered left wingers who now are beating the war drum towards Russia because muh Hillary

[Th'Pusher]

So we should start a War with every country we disagree with? You know Russia is one of the leaders in the arms race. It's stupid what Obama is doing. I guess he figures his life is over anyways. Might as well go out with a bang. Lol


Obama Administration looking like a straight up sore losing bitch.. Can't get the bitch in office so try and stir shit up and ruin Trump and Putin's understanding.. Obama bullshitting the American public about the hacks just like he bullshitted about dumping Osama in the ocean tbh.

Supply proof or stfu IMO, no point for this shit one, 20 days before leaving office, and two knowing Trump is just gonna reverse his executive order anyway.


I find it hilarious the triggered left wingers who now are beating the war drum towards Russia because muh Hillary

You all realize Russia is already being sanctioned, right?

:lol war
:lol drum

[Spurminator]

Funny thing about cheerleading... You've all picked sides even though all you have to do is wait for findings to be released to form an informed opinion.

[Spurminator]

Funny thing about cheerleading... You've all picked sides even though all you have to do is wait for findings to be released to form an informed opinion.

And half of you have chosen Russia's side without seeing the evidence.

I mean, not that there's anything wrong with that...

[Clipper Nation]

Liberals are the dumbest knuckledraggers on the planet. They really want to start World War III with Russia because they're butthurt over losing the election. Then they have the nerve to claim that Trump will start a world war. Projection much?

[DJR210]

Yup

[SnakeBoy]

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[boutons_deux]

SnakeBoy goes full treasonous, Pootin fellator.

[Trill Clinton]

the russian snowflakes need to stop crying and deal with it. don't fuck with america, period. fucc hillary, fucc trump and most of all, fuck russia. when their lil bitch boy gets in office then he can lift the sanctions. until then, they need to put on their big boy pants and hush.

[hater]

:lmao Russia is really laughing on the inside cause they know Tovarich Trump is coming in to save the day in 20 days.

They will not retaliate one bit watch. Them niggas is smart. They wil hole up in d embassy till Jan 20 :lmao

:lmao Obomba. Basically blowing his load for the next 20 days :lol

[hater]

814564127230271489

:lmao pretty much

Took d words out of my beak

[hater]

the russian snowflakes need to stop crying and deal with it. don't fuck with america, period. fucc hillary, fucc trump and most of all, fuck russia. when their lil bitch boy gets in office then he can lift the sanctions. until then, they need to put on their big boy pants and hush.

yeah :rolleyes dont fuck with america :rolleyes

You choose their next president via hacking their elections and the best they can do is expell 35 guys :rolleyes

Yeah. Dont fuck with america :lol

[hater]

And half of you have chosen Russia's side without seeing the evidence.

I mean, not that there's anything wrong with that...

Mm never heard of innocent until proven guilty? What country u from bra?

[Spurminator]

Mm never heard of innocent until proven guilty? What country u from bra?

What I posted is the absolute definition of Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Read good much bra?

[hater]

What I posted is the absolute definition of Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

Read good much bra?

So u have heard of it. Great. Wake me up when there is proof :tu

[Spurminator]

So u have heard of it. Great. Wake me up when there is proof :tu

Okay. Until then, don't talk in your sleep.

[hater]

Okay. Until then, don't talk in your sleep.

:lol we all love when the bully goes cry to the teacher tbh :lol im having a ball and cant help myself :lol

2 questions to anyone who might have the balls to answer them:

1) has the US never tampered with an election or presidency?
2) if the US had the opportunity to influence Russian elections would they not take it?

[angrydude]

Lol @ Obama trying to start WWIII on his way out of office. What an asshole.

[angrydude]

yeah :rolleyes dont fuck with america :rolleyes

You choose their next president via hacking their elections and the best they can do is expell 35 guys :rolleyes

Yeah. Dont fuck with america :lol

Even if this is all true (which we have no way of knowing because they will only release press releases instead of actual evidence) Comey had more influence in getting Trump elected than the Russians.

[boutons_deux]

Russia's interference in the election,

the dribbling of the email hacks over many weeks to distract from Hillary campaign, and

Repug Comey's two Hillary-trashing interventions that violated FBI protocol adds up for me to prove that,

Don The Con Trash's Presidency is illegitimate.

Fuck Trash, Fuck all his voters.

[boutons_deux]

Kellyanne Conway Blames U.S. Intelligence Agencies, Not Russia, For Election Hacking
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/29/kellyanne-conway-blames-u-s-intelligence-agencies-russia-election-hacking.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Goddam, this fucking bitch is fucking crazy

And another Repug said it was Dem's own fault for gettting hacked. Like Repug rape caucus, the asshole blames the victim.

[pgardn]

I find it hilarious the triggered left wingers who now are beating the war drum towards Russia because muh Hillary

War drum...

GTFOH

They will defeat themselves from their rotten innards. The fascination with such a backwards, corrupt nation is amazing. They will rot on their own again.

They are back to substituting for vodka already. Happy holidays. Wonder if hater was in on this big ole Russian party.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Irkutsk_mass_methanol_poisoning

As Trump would say, so sad!

[pgardn]

:lol we all love when the bully goes cry to the teacher tbh :lol im having a ball and cant help myself :lol

2 questions to anyone who might have the balls to answer them:

1) has the US never tampered with an election or presidency?
2) if the US had the opportunity to influence Russian elections would they not take it?

Russian ELECTIONS? Like they are some sort of democracy...

You are a fckn moron.

[Spurminator]

“I think we ought to get on with our lives. I think that computers have complicated lives very greatly. The whole age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what is going on. We have speed, we have a lot of other things, but I’m not sure we have the kind, the security we need.”

- President Elect of the United States of America

[pgardn]

- President Elect of the United States of America[/FONT][/COLOR]

Well at least he did not say video killed the radio star.

[hater]

- President Elect of the United States of America[/FONT][/COLOR]

"Hope and Change. We will close guantanamo and bring our boys back" - Current President of the United States of America

[boutons_deux]

GOP Congressman: If Russia Gave Americans Accurate Info, They Just Did What Media Should Havehttp://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-congressman-if-russia-gave-americans-accurate-info-they-just-did-what-media-should-have/

yawn, another fucking Repug nutcase, AZ of course

yep, the press should have cracked the Dem machines.

[boutons_deux]

Two Russians on Obama’s Sanctions List Were On FBI Most Wanted List

Evgeniy Bogachev is wanted for a number of charges, including

conspiracy,
bank fraud,
wire fraud,
computer fraud,
money laundering, and
identity theft.

He was indicted under an online nickname in 2012, and again under his real name in 2014. There is a reward of up to $3 million for information leading to his arrest.

Alexsey Belan is wanted for

computer intrusion,
aggravated identity theft, and
fraud in connection with a computer.

Federal warrants were issued for him in June 2012 and September 2013, and the FBI is offering up to $100,000 for information leading to his arrest.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/two-expelled-russian-diplomats-were-on-fbi-most-wanted-list/

[SnakeBoy]

Russia's interference in the election,

the dribbling of the email hacks over many weeks to distract from Hillary campaign, and

Repug Comey's two Hillary-trashing interventions that violated FBI protocol adds up for me to prove that,

Don The Con Trash's Presidency is illegitimate.

Fuck Trash, Fuck all his voters.

:lmao

It's meltdowns like this that make me not care what Trump does as POTUS. If he starts nuclear armageddon my last thoughts will be...it was worth it.

[boutons_deux]

:lmao

It's meltdowns like this that make me not care what Trump does as POTUS. If he starts nuclear armageddon my last thoughts will be...it was worth it.

meltdown? is that all you assholes have? meltdown? :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

meltdown? is that all you assholes have? meltdown? :lol

Nope. Apparently all you have, though. We can send you into a spittle flying unhinged meltdown with two words.

President Trump :lol

[Wild Cobra]

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I look forward to seeing the declassified info and Congressional report.

Maybe you should start with the actual press release, instead of social media:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/29/fact-sheet-actions-response-russian-malicious-cyber-activity-and

[Wild Cobra]

Obama is trying to start a war. Fuck him.

That's one of the things liberals do, then blame it on conservatives.

[Wild Cobra]

Imagine you're Putin. Would you want the prospect of knowing you're going to have to call Hillary "madam President" in your meetings?
Gorby had to deal with Maggie. I don't think that's the problem as much as Hillary and others in the left promising retribution against Russia.

It makes perfect sense that they would hack the DNC.

What would we do is a party in Russia threatened us?

Anyone of sound mind and body think we would hack them?

I think the DNC should be sanctioned for putting Russia in the position to hack them!

[Spurminator]

Maybe you should start with the actual press release, instead of social media:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/29/fact-sheet-actions-response-russian-malicious-cyber-activity-and

Fucking Christ you are dumb.

[Wild Cobra]

You all realize Russia is already being sanctioned, right?

:lol war
:lol drum

And illegally so.

[Wild Cobra]

And half of you have chosen Russia's side without seeing the evidence.

I mean, not that there's anything wrong with that...

I don't know the facts of the cyber hacking. It's all hear-say. If they did it, I can understand why they did it.

What I don't agree with is this automatic left over sentiment from the cold war, that ended in the early 90's.

The Crimea incident has provided fuel for this hate in a USSR that no longer exists as it once was.

My God... Grudges for decades?

These people are no better than Hillbillies with their family feuds.

It would be nice if everyone considered the actual facts surrounding all of this.

[Wild Cobra]

the russian snowflakes need to stop crying and deal with it. don't fuck with america, period. fucc hillary, fucc trump and most of all, fuck russia. when their lil bitch boy gets in office then he can lift the sanctions. until then, they need to put on their big boy pants and hush.

I guess you want to hear the "Russian Woodpecker" again, huh?

[Spurminator]

It would be nice if everyone considered the actual facts surrounding all of this.

Exactly what I'm saying.


If they did it, I can understand why they did it.

Patriot.

[Wild Cobra]

Russian ELECTIONS? Like they are some sort of democracy...

You are a fckn moron.

It's at least a start.

Big changes take time.

Consider your point a moronic on if you don't accept reality.

[Wild Cobra]

"Hope and Change. We will close guantanamo and bring our boys back" - Current President of the United States of America

You mean after these 8 years, it's still open?

I guess he ran out of Round Tuits.

Here Obama, let me know if I need to send you one:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61URqzPRFaL._SX425_.jpg (https://www.amazon.com/Round-Tuit-Tokens-50-Tuits/dp/B009RP7I2C)

[Wild Cobra]

Two Russians on Obama’s Sanctions List Were On FBI Most Wanted List

Evgeniy Bogachev is wanted for a number of charges, including

conspiracy,
bank fraud,
wire fraud,
computer fraud,
money laundering, and
identity theft.

He was indicted under an online nickname in 2012, and again under his real name in 2014. There is a reward of up to $3 million for information leading to his arrest.

Alexsey Belan is wanted for

computer intrusion,
aggravated identity theft, and
fraud in connection with a computer.

Federal warrants were issued for him in June 2012 and September 2013, and the FBI is offering up to $100,000 for information leading to his arrest.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/two-expelled-russian-diplomats-were-on-fbi-most-wanted-list/




Tells me they were likely operating independent of the Russian government then.

[Wild Cobra]

meltdown? is that all you assholes have? meltdown? :lol

You are in meltdown 24/7, so it's normal for you...

[angrydude]

The Nobel Peace Prize winner lost an election and is trying to start a war over it.

[angrydude]

Obama: Only the American Media is allowed to manipulate the american public!

[angrydude]

Too bad NYC is a sanctuary city

[angrydude]

Trump should offer to put them up in Trump tower until his inauguration.

[Adam Lambert]

some of you hippie peacenik snowflakes need to change your panties, expelling and sanctioning suspected hackers is not a declaration of war

[Wild Cobra]

The Nobel Peace Prize winner lost an election and is trying to start a war over it.

LOL...

Great headline!

[angrydude]

Should I trust the source who's never failed me or the one who I know lies to me?

[Trill Clinton]

obama is going to get us into a war!:cry y'all had no problems with going to war over some made up wmd's and now y'all in here sounding like some bitches...wow.

if y'all don't shut your scary asses up with that bullshit lol. nobody wants war with us on that level, stop it. if its going to be a war its going to be a cyber one which looks like you old dummies obviously aren't built for nor realize how foolish you look rolling your eyes at a country tampering with our elections all because you want to defend your "team".

[spurraider21]

Trump should offer to put them up in Trump tower until his inauguration.lol pledging allegiance to russia... inb4 trump tries to pass laws against burning the russian flag

[Thread]

How could it be hacked if fats won the popular vote?

[hater]

:lmao Russia is really laughing on the inside cause they know Tovarich Trump is coming in to save the day in 20 days.

They will not retaliate one bit watch. Them niggas is smart. They wil hole up in d embassy till Jan 20 :lmao

:lmao Obomba. Basically blowing his load for the next 20 days :lol

Told u niggas :lol

Putin aint doing shit back.

Holing up in d embassy till Jan 20 :lmao

[hater]

Obomba is basically the scrawny kid that took his shirt off and wanted to fight and everyone laughed it up and went on home :lmao

[IceColdBrewski]

Obama tryin to act hard now after 8 years of being Putin's bitch. I'm sure Putin is really scared. :lol

[hater]

Learned 2 keys things doing reseach on this subject.

The Russians seem to love and respect Kerry. They claim he was really trying to reach deals but Obomba hijacked him.

The NSA possesses all evidence of how the emails got from DNC servers to Wikileaks. They monitor and record all electronic communications. Why not a peep from them???

[hater]

Oh and 3. In yesterdays white house report. There is zero mention of wikileaks. Not even 1.

Hilarious

[DMX7]

Obama won this round.

http://thefw.com/files/2013/01/dealwithit.jpg

[hater]

Oh and 1 more my bad fellas:

Why in the world would Russian government hackers name their method names after famous Russian figures? :lmao

Thats like someone robbing your house and leaving their ID :lmao

[pgardn]

The Nobel Peace Prize winner lost an election and is trying to start a war over it.

The only war he will start is between Republicans.

[pgardn]

It's at least a start.

Big changes take time.

Consider your point a moronic on if you don't accept reality.

Sham elections for dictators are not new ya cabbage head. Big changes take time... Holy Christ...

[DMX7]

Sham elections for dictators are not new ya cabbage head. Big changes take time... Holy Christ...

These are the people who helped get Trump elected.

Putin is dangerous. He has the KGB mindset, and it's a manipulative and hostile one.

[Trill Clinton]

Obama tryin to act hard now after 8 years of being Putin's bitch. I'm sure Putin is really scared. :lol

putin is scared. he knows america would wipe the floor with his country. russia don't want smoke with us on the battlefield.

[CosmicCowboy]

Neither the US or Russia want to go head to head.

[hater]

putin is scared. he knows america would wipe the floor with his country. russia don't want smoke with us on the battlefield.

Sure but US has no defense vs he 7300 Russian nukes including the ICBM codenamed Satan :lol

Sure we wipe out russia but we also turn the US into swiss cheese

[hater]

Neither the US or Russia want to go head to head.

Pretty much spot on

Tzar Bomba = 50,000 killtons would make a nice big hole

And the new Russian drone/torpedo thingies would make the entire East Coast into a wasteland

Funny how these Obamatards suddenly want to go to war at the 11th hour :lmao

[IceColdBrewski]

putin is scared. he knows america would wipe the floor with his country. russia don't want smoke with us on the battlefield.

Yeah, ok. He ain't gonna do shit, and Putin knows it. The only thing Putin might've gotten out of this is a nice belly laugh. Time to wake up. The rest of the world lost respect for Obama a long time ago. What's he gonna do? Draw another "red line in the sand"? :lol

This is nothing more than Obama trying to act tough because he knows he only has a few weeks left. That's what pussies do. Throw shit at you as they're running away.

[hater]

:lmao Obama pulling a Carmelo Anthony :lmao

[mavsfan1000]

Odumba. Can't wait until Jan 20.

[UZER]

Don't worry, when it comes to Russia, Donald with "grab em by the Putin."

Heyoooo

[baseline bum]

Neither the US or Russia want to go head to head.

Pretty much. If one invaded the other you'd have the nastiest guerilla war in the history of the world (with Stalingrad, Leningrad, etc WWII being the nastiest one before). It's one of the chief reasons I support gun ownership in the US.

[boutons_deux]

KREMLIN NAMES TRUMP EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH

http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Borowitz-kremlin-honors-trump-1200.jpg

MOSCOW — Capping an extraordinary year for the former television host, the Kremlin has named Donald J. Trump its Employee of the Month for December.

“No one has worked more tirelessly for the glory of the Fatherland than Donald Trump,”

the Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an official statement.

“He has set a high bar for all Kremlin employees, and for that, we salute him.”

To mark the honor, Trump’s name will be added to a plaque that hangs in the hallway outside the Kremlin’s H.R. office.

According to Kremlin sources, Trump faced tough competition in the Employee of the Month voting, besting both

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and

ExxonMobil’s C.E.O., Rex Tillerson.

Speaking to reporters at his Mar-a-Lago estate, in Florida, Trump called the award “a tremendous honor, just tremendous.”

“Obama was President for eight years and he didn’t win this a single month,” he said. “Loser.”

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/kremlin-names-trump-employee-of-the-month (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/kremlin-names-trump-employee-of-the-month)

[boutons_deux]

Repugs are going to hold hearings on the Russian hack

17 US spook agencies say Russia did it.

Obama implements first round of sanctions.

After inviting Pootin to crack the Dems' machines, Trash won't even admit his bromantic interest Pootin won him the election, and Trash wants everybody to forget and move on.

Further evidence that Pootin has compromised, "turned" Trash with vids of Trash in Moscow with whores and coke.

If Trash cancels all of Obama's Russian sanctions, the evidence of Trash as compromised will be conclusive.

Pootin has tiny-dick Trash by his tiny, bully balls.

[DMX7]

Russia is in shock at how lucky it is to have a easily manipulative Trump to puppeteer. They can't wait.

[boutons_deux]

Obama tryin to act hard now after 8 years of being Putin's bitch. I'm sure Putin is really scared. :lol

This is an unfair question, asking for evidence, but how SPECIFICALLY was Obama Pootin's bitch?

Are you still bothered by the "Pootin the manspreader" pic? :lol

Obama/NATO did overthrow Pootin's puppet in Ukraine, even if they had to use Nazis to do it.

[hater]

Russia is in shock at how lucky it is to have a easily manipulative Trump to puppeteer. They can't wait.

Because they havent manhandled Obama like a ragdoll the last 8 years? :lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

We regard the recent unfriendly steps taken by the outgoing US administration as provocative and aimed at further weakening the Russia-US relationship. This runs contrary to the fundamental interests of both the Russian and American people. Considering the global security responsibilities of Russia and the United States, this is also damaging to international relations as a whole.

As it proceeds from international practice, Russia has reasons to respond in kind. Although we have the right to retaliate, we will not resort to irresponsible ‘kitchen’ diplomacy but will plan our further steps to restore Russian-US relations based on the policies of the Trump Administration.

The diplomats who are returning to Russia will spend the New Year’s holidays with their families and friends. We will not create any problems for US diplomats. We will not expel anyone. We will not prevent their families and children from using their traditional leisure sites during the New Year’s holidays. Moreover, I invite all children of US diplomats accredited in Russia to the New Year and Christmas children’s parties in the Kremlin.

It is regrettable that the Obama Administration is ending its term in this manner. Nevertheless, I offer my New Year greetings to President Obama and his family.
My season’s greetings also to President-elect Donald Trump and the American people.

I wish all of you happiness and prosperity.

:lmao

a very politely phrased fuck you to Obama...:lol

[Wild Cobra]

Oh and 3. In yesterdays white house report. There is zero mention of wikileaks. Not even 1.

Hilarious

Probably turns out to be a DNC insider...

[Wild Cobra]

Oh and 1 more my bad fellas:

Why in the world would Russian government hackers name their method names after famous Russian figures? :lmao

Thats like someone robbing your house and leaving their ID :lmao

Thoughtless followers of the liberal dogma cant think that much to see it.

[Wild Cobra]

Yeah, ok. He ain't gonna do shit, and Putin knows it. The only thing Putin might've gotten out of this is a nice belly laugh. Time to wake up. The rest of the world lost respect for Obama a long time ago. What's he gonna do? Draw another "red line in the sand"? :lol

This is nothing more than Obama trying to act tough because he knows he only has a few weeks left. That's what pussies do. Throw shit at you as they're running away.

LOL...

Reminds me of a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

[boutons_deux]

:lmao

a very politely phrased fuck you to Obama...:lol

CC is dickless traitor. He approves of anything, anybody, esp Pootin, trashing the Knitter.

[DMX7]

CC is a conservative first, American second.

[IceColdBrewski]

LOL...

Reminds me of a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

I know exactly the one you're thinking of.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzWyOaS8kU

[Wild Cobra]

I know exactly the one you're thinking of.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzWyOaS8kU

That's it!

[Spurminator]

:lmao

a very politely phrased fuck you to Obama...:lol

Do you like Vladimir Putin?

[Spurminator]

I'm seriously trying to recall any time in American history when Americans of either party supported a murderous dictator just to spite other Americans or, particularly, the current American President.

Trying to imagine liberals "lolling" quotes by Saddam Hussein.

[Spurminator]

Anyway, good balanced article by Matt Taibbi on waiting for real evidence.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439

[Clipper Nation]

Anyway, good balanced article by Matt Taibbi on waiting for real evidence.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439
:lmao Rolling Stone
:lmao "Good, balanced article"
:lmao Shouldn't they be busy making up more false rape accusations?

[hater]

I'm seriously trying to recall any time in American history when Americans of either party supported a murderous dictator just to spite other Americans or, particularly, the current American President.

Trying to imagine liberals "lolling" quotes by Saddam Hussein.

Im seriously trying to recall any time in American history when one party cried like a bitch after a loss and blamed the loss on a foreign country. Without even providing evidence. And basically stopping short from declaring war on a nuclear superpower just because they are sore they lost fair and square.

Even more shocking is some americans are actually supporting this dangerous charade. Sad

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lmao Rolling Stone
:lmao "Good, balanced article"
:lmao Shouldn't they be busy making up more false rape accusations?

It actually is a good balanced article.

[Spurminator]

:lmao Rolling Stone
:lmao "Good, balanced article"
:lmao Shouldn't they be busy making up more false rape accusations?

You didn't read it.

[Spurminator]

Im seriously trying to recall any time in American history when one party cried like a bitch after a loss and blamed the loss on a foreign country. Without even providing evidence. And basically stopping short from declaring war on a nuclear superpower just because they are sore they lost fair and square.

Bitching about election results is not uncommon. I don't agree with people who think Russia's involvement is proven, especially those who think actual ballots were somehow manipulated. But I'm certainly not rooting for America's intelligence or its President to be wrong just to spite the whiners.

This is nothing close to declaring war.

[DMC]

Im seriously trying to recall any time in American history when one party cried like a bitch after a loss and blamed the loss on a foreign country. Without even providing evidence. And basically stopping short from declaring war on a nuclear superpower just because they are sore they lost fair and square.

Even more shocking is some americans are actually supporting this dangerous charade. Sad

This is why the electoral college must remain intact. Mob rule mentality causes people to move like frightened fish.

[DMC]

Bitching about election results is not uncommon. I don't agree with people who think Russia's involvement is proven, especially those who think actual ballots were somehow manipulated. But I'm certainly not rooting for America's intelligence or its President to be wrong just to spite the whiners.

This is nothing close to declaring war.
Let's say it's correct, that Russia hacked the DNC. How is that interfering with the election? Wouldn't the tape release of Trump from umpteen billion years ago, and Donna's gift to Hillary of the debate questions be more of a election tampering issue than hacking the obviously insecure servers of the same party who are pushing a woman with an insecure server herself? Odd that all this insecure shit keeps coming up around Hillary.

If anything, it just reveals the truth about someone and lets you decide based on that. We all know the truth of Trump, it's that witch that has a lot to hide, bodies everywhere. Must have been the sniper fire that caused her some PTSD.

[Spurminator]

Let's say it's correct, that Russia hacked the DNC. How is that interfering with the election? Wouldn't the tape release of Trump from umpteen billion years ago, and Donna's gift to Hillary of the debate questions be more of a election tampering issue than hacking the obviously insecure servers of the same party who are pushing a woman with an insecure server herself? Odd that all this insecure shit keeps coming up around Hillary.

The tape release wasn't hacked from private emails and Donna Brazzile was dealt with. Both of those things were also domestic, so not really comparable to a foreign entity's meddling.

I think the alleged Russian hack would have been investigated regardless of the winner. Do you feel Brazzile and the tape merit further investigation?

[DMC]

The tape release wasn't hacked from private emails and Donna Brazzile was dealt with. Both of those things were also domestic, so not really comparable to a foreign entity's meddling.

I think the alleged Russian hack would have been investigated regardless of the winner. Do you feel Brazzile and the tape merit further investigation?

CNN wasn't dealt with, nor was Donna.

I don't think any of it merits further investigation. If your server is weak someone is going to hack it. The DNC isn't the federal government. Would the feds care if your personal PC was hacked?

[TeyshaBlue]

Anyway, good balanced article by Matt Taibbi on waiting for real evidence.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439

Good article. Always liked Taibbi. :tu

[Spurminator]

CNN wasn't dealt with, nor was Donna.

I don't think any of it merits further investigation. If your server is weak someone is going to hack it. The DNC isn't the federal government. Would the feds care if your personal PC was hacked?

Brazzile was removed from CNN and both of their reputations were severely tarnished. She'll never moderate a debate again. Unless you think she should serve time I'm not sure what else you think should be done.

I'm not the DNC. Hacking is a crime and if it's committed with the involvement of a foreign government then it is appropriate for it to be investigated and dealt with.

[hater]

Bitching about election results is not uncommon. I don't agree with people who think Russia's involvement is proven, especially those who think actual ballots were somehow manipulated. But I'm certainly not rooting for America's intelligence or its President to be wrong just to spite the whiners.

This is nothing close to declaring war.

Please tell me the last time a political party blamed 100% a foreign country on their loss.

Im not rooting for anyone. Im laughing at the cucks who claim russia is already guilty. Where is the proof???

[DMX7]

The cucks are the ones who think Russia didn't do it.

[Spurminator]

Please tell me the last time a political party blamed 100% a foreign country on their loss.

I don't see anyone saying Russia is 100% to blame.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm seriously trying to recall any time in American history when Americans of either party supported a murderous dictator just to spite other Americans or, particularly, the current American President.

Trying to imagine liberals "lolling" quotes by Saddam Hussein.

Seriously, you can't think of anytime in history when the USA supported murderous regimes?

Hint...you already named one in your post.

[Spurminator]

Seriously, you can't think of anytime in history when the USA supported murderous regimes?

Hint...you already named one in your post.

That's not what I said. Try again.

[hater]

Ever. Heard of pinochet? Saddam. Vs Iran? Spurminatir? Do u know who financed and helped those monsters?

[CosmicCowboy]

Don't forget the Taliban. They used to be our buddies.

[Spurminator]

Don't forget the Taliban. They used to be our buddies.


Ever. Heard of pinochet? Saddam. Vs Iran? Spurminatir? Do u know who financed and helped those monsters?


I'm not sure why what I said is so confusing to you guys. It's like you only read the first half of the sentence. I'm not denying nor talking about the U.S. government's support of dictators.

[Spurminator]

Let me help you guys with the reading. I apologize for not providing pictures.


I'm seriously trying to recall any time in American history when Americans of either party supported a murderous dictator just to spite other Americans or, particularly, the current American President.

[Winehole23]

It's au courant to spite the president for a few more weeks, spiting political opponents -- not real Americans! --never goes out of style.

[Winehole23]

The form of government is no longer held in high esteem. Government as such is considered a thief, except when it gores the opposition's ox.

It's cool to put down the government and any of its officers while democrats are in power. The tune will change after January 20th.

[mavsfan1000]

Let me help you guys with the reading. I apologize for not providing pictures.

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I support peace. Not war. You don't have to like Putin. But looking for War is another story.

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

The cucks are the ones who think Russia didn't do it.

If the Russians did it why would WIKILEAKS put up the $20,000 reward for the dead dnc staffer?

I think it was insider leaks but if it was a hack I would think the Zionist Jews would have more of a reason to hack them

[hater]

I'm not sure why what I said is so confusing to you guys. It's like you only read the first half of the sentence. I'm not denying nor talking about the U.S. government's support of dictators.

U just admitted US ppl supported dictators in the past yet u are shocked they are doing it once again.

Makes no sense.

If anything should be shocking is the current president trying to hijack the next presidency by moving to defcon 5

[Spurminator]

I support peace. Not war. You don't have to like Putin. But looking for War is another story.

I don't see anyone looking for war.

[Spurminator]

U just admitted US ppl supported dictators in the past yet u are shocked they are doing it once again.

Makes no sense.

If anything should be shocking is the current president trying to hijack the next presidency by moving to defcon 5

I tried once but I'm done explaining plain English to you. You are arguing a completely different topic (one that I'm pretty sure you started your own thread about and I commented in).

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not sure why what I said is so confusing to you guys. It's like you only read the first half of the sentence. I'm not denying nor talking about the U.S. government's support of dictators.

The US government supported it because the winning half of the population supported it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Vietnam was certainly divisive. We were supporting a dictator there and half the country was pissed off.

[Spurminator]

The US government supported it because the winning half of the population supported it.

:wtf
Opposing war is different from praising the enemy. When did half of the US population support the Taliban over their own President? Saddam Hussein? The USSR? The Viet Cong?

It's perfectly reasonable to oppose actions against Putin/Russia without overtly praising him. It's amazing that the party of "Support your President" in 2003 has been reduced to this.

A striking number of Republicans have a favorable view of Vladimir Putin. It is unprecedented in American history for so many Americans to have a favorable view of a world leader of his kind, regardless of different opinions on what should be done about that leader.

[florige]

I support peace. Not war. You don't have to like Putin. But looking for War is another story.


Who is looking for war? Obama put out 35 russians. How is that looking for war? Oh and btw. even house republicans are agreeing on Obama's actions. The only ones who seem to want to sweep it under the rug is Trump and his supporters.

[hater]

:wtf
Opposing war is different from praising the enemy. When did half of the US population support the Taliban over their own President? Saddam Hussein? The USSR? The Viet Cong?

A striking number of Republicans have a favorable view of Vladimir Putin. It is unprecedented in American history for so many Americans to have a favorable view of a world leader of his kind, regardless of different opinions on what should be done about that leader.

Augusto Pinochet. A ruthless dictator that imprisoned and tortured 80,000 and murdered 3,200.

The US openly supported and armed this animal.

There is nothing unprecendented about americans supporting dictators. Its been done dozens of times

[Spurminator]

Augusto Pinochet. A ruthless dictator that imprisoned and tortured 80,000 and murdered 3,200.

The US openly supported and armed this animal.

There is nothing unprecendented about americans supporting dictators. Its been done dozens of times

That's not what we're talking about.

Jesus Christ, dude.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265174&p=8844885&viewfull=1#post8844885

[hater]

Also teh Sha of Iran was highly respected among US populace to the point of being a celebrity. At the same time he was implementic a ruthless secret service with help from CIA.

We can go on and on with examples.

This myth that american ppl never favored dictators is iust that a myth. Stop repeating it, youre looking ignorant

[Spurminator]

Also teh Sha of Iran was highly respected among US populace to the point of being a celebrity. At the same time he was implementic a ruthless secret service with help from CIA.

We can go on and on with examples.

This myth that american ppl never favored dictators is iust that a myth. Stop repeating it, youre looking ignorant

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265174&p=8844885&viewfull=1#post8844885

[CosmicCowboy]

:wtf
Opposing war is different from praising the enemy. When did half of the US population support the Taliban over their own President? Saddam Hussein? The USSR? The Viet Cong?

It's perfectly reasonable to oppose actions against Putin/Russia without overtly praising him. It's amazing that the party of "Support your President" in 2003 has been reduced to this.

A striking number of Republicans have a favorable view of Vladimir Putin. It is unprecedented in American history for so many Americans to have a favorable view of a world leader of his kind, regardless of different opinions on what should be done about that leader.

Favorable may be a little overstated but the availability of the Internet to allow unfiltered information instead of the spoon fed information of the past has allowed people to recognize that the world is more gray than black and white. People are rightfully more suspicious of "Russia as the antichrist" news than in the past. Hell, the Washington Post just reported as fact that the Russians just hacked our power grid...a claim that turned out to be total bullshit. It makes one wonder if their report that "unidentified sources in the intelligence community said Russia hacked the DNC." Didn't smell a little like bullshit too.

[Spurminator]

Favorable may be a little overstated but the availability of the Internet to allow unfiltered information instead of the spoon fed information of the past has allowed people to recognize that the world is more gray than black and white. People are rightfully more suspicious of "Russia as the antichrist" news than in the past. Hell, the Washington Post just reported as fact that the Russians just hacked our power grid...a claim that turned out to be total bullshit. It makes one wonder if their report that "unidentified sources in the intelligence community said Russia hacked the DNC."

And we should be skeptical of those claims. Just like we were skeptical of WMD's in Iraq.

But I don't remember American WMD skeptics celebrating any time Hussein made a sick burn against the US President. I don't remember admiration of Saddam Hussein coming from even the most vocal WMD skeptics or Iraq War opponents. That was the observation I was making.

[boutons_deux]

Trash's buddies just cracked the VT utility grid

[hater]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265174&p=8844885&viewfull=1#post8844885

Again the few americans u claim "support" Putin. Are not doing it to spite the sore loser democrats but because we need proof there was actally hacks. Which hasnt been provided.

[Spurminator]

Again the few americans u claim "support" Putin. Are not doing it to spite the sore loser democrats but because we need proof there was actally hacks. Which hasnt been provided.

That's not the support I'm talking about but at least you're getting warmer

[hater]

That's not the support I'm talking about but at least you're getting warmer

And unless you post proof that Russian hacking influenced the election, you are cold as Antartica

[Spurminator]

And unless you post proof that Russian hacking influenced the election, you are cold as Antartica

I've already said I'm skeptical of claims of hacking until we see clear evidence.

Keep up.

[Winehole23]

WaPo continues to muddy the water:


There was no “penetration of the U.S. electricity grid.” The truth was undramatic and banal. Burlington Electric, after receiving a Homeland Security notice sent to all U.S. utility companies about the malware code found in the DNC system, searched all its computers and found the code in a single laptop that was not connected to the electric grid.



Apparently, the Post did not even bother to contact the company before running its wildly sensationalistic claims, so Burlington Electric had to issue its own statement to the Burlington Free Press (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/vermont/2016/12/30/russia-hacked-us-grid-through-burlington-electric/96024326/), which debunked the Post’s central claim (emphasis in original): “We detected the malware in a single Burlington Electric Department laptop not connected to our organization’s grid systems.”


So the key scary claim of the Post story — that Russian hackers had penetrated the U.S. electric grid — was false. All the alarmist tough-guy statements issued by political officials who believed the Post’s claim were based on fiction.

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/31/russia-hysteria-infects-washpost-again-false-story-about-hacking-u-s-electric-grid/

[Winehole23]

It's amazing that the party of "Support your President" in 2003 has been reduced to this.I recall 2004 well. online skeptics were piled on for being insuffficiently pro-US, for merely questioning current US foreign policy.

disagreement with Trump will be conflated with being de facto disloyal, not rooting hard enough. There will be a high handed call for national unity, that will bitterly resent the critics and naysayers online.


A striking number of Republicans have a favorable view of Vladimir Putin. It is unprecedented in American history for so many Americans to have a favorable view of a world leader of his kind, regardless of different opinions on what should be done about that leader.on a 1-100 scale, how sure are you about that?

was the popularity of Hitler and Stalin measured in 1933?

[hater]

:lmao the washington post

Its a pathetic organization bought by the Amazon faggot owner and he got a multi billion contract fro
The CIA so he is whoring his paper for them

Fucking pathetic. I am not ordering from Amazon no mo. Fuck that piece of shit company

[Th'Pusher]

on a 1-100 scale, how sure are you about that?

was the popularity of Hitler and Stalin measured in 1933?

Fair to question the use of unprecedented, but the underlying point stands. Unprecedented in our lifetime for sure.

[CosmicCowboy]

Trash's buddies just cracked the VT utility grid

:lmao

Dumbass

[Winehole23]

Fair to question the use of unprecedented, but the underlying point stands. Unprecedented in our lifetime for sure.A straight up demagogue winning. You have to go back to Huey Long and Pappy O'Daniel becoming state governors back in the 1930s. One was much more powerful than the other.

Interestingly enough, I hear the New Deal social contract is about to get renegotiated.

[Winehole23]

Edwin Edwards against David Duke?

[TeyshaBlue]

WaPo continues to muddy the water:

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/31/russia-hysteria-infects-washpost-again-false-story-about-hacking-u-s-electric-grid/
Reinforces Taibbi's take. :tu

[TeyshaBlue]

From a few pages back
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265174&page=12&p=8844184&viewfull=1#post8844184

[Spurminator]

on a 1-100 scale, how sure are you about that?

was the popularity of Hitler and Stalin measured in 1933?

Obviously I can't be 100% sure.

Knowing what I know about that generation, though, it's very hard to imagine a lot of tolerance for anything resembling sympathy for the enemy. What could be argued, I suppose, is the extent to which Americans viewed someone like Hitler as the enemy before we were at war.

Still, we live in an era where we are much more aware of foreign atrocities so ignorance isn't nearly as good an excuse today.

[hater]

Stalin was hated but Hitler was loved by many americans pre-pearl harbor

Many americans were actually rooting for Nazism and they even started a nazi party here. So its a good point tbqh

[boutons_deux]

Don The Con Tue or Wed will certainly absolve Pootin of electing him

[Winehole23]

The intelligence community has found itself in this position before, including in attributing a highly destructive attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment in 2014 to North Korea (http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/12/fbi-claims-north-korean-involvement-in-sony-pictures-attack/). In fairness, the reticence in both cases is likely justified by the interest in protecting sources and methods used to detect such attacks. And as Lee was quick to note, strong technical evidence is likely to be included in reports to Congress that later may be declassified. Still, it's hard to escape the conclusion that Thursday's Joint Analysis Report provides almost no new evidence to support the Obama Administration's claims Russia attempted to interfere with the US electoral process. Absent something more, the increasingly bitter debate may rage on indefinitely.http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/did-russia-tamper-with-the-2016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/

[Thread]

40 get massacred in Istanbul, but, they ain't white so it's not like in Berlin/white when a quarter of that got massacred and it was the end of the world.

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

Because security professionals are so confident in the Russian attribution of the DNC hack, they have largely ignored alternative theories from the likes of Wikileaks and Bill Binney. That’s unfortunate, because Craig Murray, in his description of his own role (https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/15/craig-murrays-description-of-wikileaks-sources/) in getting the Podesta files to Wikileaks, at least, revealed a detail that needs greater attention. He believes he received something (perhaps the documents themselves, perhaps something else) from a person with ties to US national security.



[I]f we believe that Murray believes this, we know that the intermediary can credibly claim to have ties to American national security.


So on September 25, Murray met a presumed American in DC for a hand-off related to the Podesta hack.



I raise that because Trump is now promising (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-hacking.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0) we’ll learn something this week about the hack that may cast doubt on the claims Russia was behind it.



He added: “And I know a lot about hacking. And hacking is a very hard thing to prove. So it could be somebody else. And I also know things that other people don’t know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation.”
When asked what he knew that others did not, Mr. Trump demurred, saying only, “You’ll find out on Tuesday or Wednesday.”


If Murray met an American claiming to have done the hack, then Trump may have too. That doesn’t mean the Russians didn’t do the hack (though it could mean an American borrowed GRU’s tools to do it). It could just as easily mean the Russians have an American cut-out, and that while the security community has been looking for Russian-speaking proxies, they’ve ignored the possibility of American ones.


I have a suspicion that Trump’s campaign did meet with such a person (I even have a guess about when it would have happened).

https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/01/01/is-trumps-revelation-the-same-as-craig-murrays-revelation-an-american-cut-out/

[DMC]

Stalin was hated but Hitler was loved by many americans pre-pearl harbor

Many americans were actually rooting for Nazism and they even started a nazi party here. So its a good point tbqh

The Hitler card has well worn edges. You can identify it even before it's flipped.

[Spurminator]

The Hitler card has well worn edges. You can identify it even before it's flipped.

Weird thing is how the Hitler card is being used in this case.

I mean, if your argument is that it's not crazy for Americans to favor a foreign tyrant over its own government and the best historical case you can make is American support for Hitler...

[hater]

Weird thing is how the Hitler card is being used in this case.

I mean, if your argument is that it's not crazy for Americans to favor a foreign tyrant over its own government and the best historical case you can make is American support for Hitler...

Except that wasnt my argument.

My argument was that it has hapoened in the past. So this myth that its unprescedented that americans support dictators in the past is again nothing but a regurgitated myth. Stop regurgitating it

[Th'Pusher]

Except that wasnt my argument.

My argument was that it has hapoened in the past. So this myth that its unprescedented that americans support dictators in the past is again nothing but a regurgitated myth. Stop regurgitating it

Of course. Now, can you recall any other ways the Hitler card has been played in the last 12-18 months?

[Spurminator]

So this myth that its unprescedented that americans support dictators in the past is again nothing but a regurgitated myth. Stop regurgitating it

Do you have any specific backup to show that admiration of Hitler in either political party was similar to the 37% of Republicans admiring Putin, and how that admiration compared to their feelings about the POTUS?

I'm totally open to accepting that and amending my statement to "Americans haven't supported a foreign dictator like Putin over the current President since Hitler." Pretty sure that doesn't hurt my overall point or make the Putin Love from Republicans any less ridiculous. Probably helps it, tbh.

[Spurminator]

Also, I only had to keep regurgitating it because it took you 2 or 3 pages to actually start arguing the point I was making instead of one you were inventing.

[mavsfan1000]

Russia is in shock at how lucky it is to have a easily manipulative Trump to puppeteer. They can't wait.
Not really. Trump already going after China and and N. Korea. Don't mess with Trump.

[Pelicans78]

LMAO... from a clown who probably supported the Iraq war.

Typical neocons bent over backwards for that war.

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-hacks/

No smoking gun for Russian DNC hacks

There's no question that Russia wanted Donald Trump to win the 2016 Presidential campaign. Trump's own tweets stated he wanted the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton's email (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-i-hope-russia-finds-hillary-clintons-emails/). The Democratic National Committee (DNC) email was hacked (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-is-investigating-the-dnc-emails-hack/). But the Department of Homeland Security and Federal Bureau of Investigation's Joint Analysis Report (JAR) on Russian cyber attacks (https://www.us-cert.gov/security-publications/GRIZZLY-STEPPE-Russian-Malicious-Cyber-Activity) doesn't prove the Russians were behind the DNC hacks.

Indeed, even though President Barack Obama has expelled Russian diplomats (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/35-russian-diplomats-ordered-out-by-president-obama-depart-us-state-department-says/) over the cyber-attack, the JAR doesn't finger the Russian government. Instead, it merely claimed there are technical indicators that Russian intelligence Services (RIS) are attacking the US government and political and private sector entities. This continued assault is called Grizzly Steppe.

The primary method used in Grizzly Steppe is spear phishing. In spear phishing, a very common hacking approach, you receive messages, which look like they're coming from a friend or co-worker. In Grizzly Steppe, if you click on the message's content or follow a link, you infect your device with Remote Access Tools (RATs) malware. From that, emails and other data are syphoned to the attacker.
The JAR included "specific indicators of compromise, including IP addresses and a PHP malware sample." But what does this really prove? Wordfence (https://www.wordfence.com/), a WordPress (https://wordpress.org/) security company specializing in analyzing PHP malware, examined these indicators and didn't find any hard evidence of Russian involvement.


Instead, Wordfence found the attack software was P.AS. 3.1.0 (https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/), an out-of-date, web-shell hacking tool. The newest version, 4.1.1b, is more sophisticated. Its website claims it was written in the Ukraine.
Mark Maunder, Wordfence's CEO, concluded that since the attacks were made "several versions behind the most current version of P.A.S [sic] which is 4.1.1b. One might reasonably expect Russian intelligence operatives to develop their own tools or at least use current malicious tools from outside sources."


True, as Errata Security (http://www.erratasec.com/) CEO Rob Graham pointed out in a blog post, P.A.S is popular among Russia/Ukraine hackers (http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/12/some-notes-on-iocs.html#.WGrPVfErKV5). But it's "used by hundreds if not thousands of hackers, mostly associated with Russia, but also throughout the rest of the world." In short, just because the attackers used P.A.S., that's not enough evidence to blame it on the Russian government.


Now, Graham continued: "If they've got web server logs from multiple victims where commands from those IP addresses went to this specific web shell, then the attribution would be strong that all these attacks are by the same actor." But that's not what we've been given.


Maunder and his crew also analyzed the Internet Protocol (IP) addresses used in Grizzly Steppe. They found the IP addresses that DHS provided "may have been used for an attack by a state actor like Russia. But they don't appear to provide any association with Russia. They are probably used by a wide range of other malicious actors, especially the 15 percent of IP addresses that are Tor exit nodes."


In short, Maunder continued in a FAQ, the data in the DHS/FBI Grizzly Steppe report contained "'indicators of compromise' (IOCs) [sic] which you can think of as footprints that hackers left behind. The IOC's in the report are tools that are freely available and IP addresses that are used by hackers around the world. There is very little Russia-specific data in the Grizzly Steppe (https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/01/election-hack-faq/#proof) report."


Others beside Wordfence found the JAR less than convincing. Robert M. Lee, CEO of the security company Dragos (https://www.dragossecurity.com/), wrote: "This ultimately seems like a very rushed report put together by multiple teams working different data sets and motivations (http://www.robertmlee.org/critiques-of-the-dhsfbis-grizzly-steppe-report/). It is my opinion and speculation that there were some really good government analysts and operators contributing to this data and then report reviews, leadership approval processes, and sanitation processes stripped out most of the value and left behind a very confusing report trying to cover too much while saying too little."


In short, maybe it was the Russians behind the attacks on the DNC and other US organizations, but neither the source code nor the network analysis we've been shown so far strongly supports this conclusion.
Trump refuses to admit that Russia had any influence on the election (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-sanctions-cyberattack-president-elect-donald-trump-casts-more-doubt/), so we can expect little further information to come from the US government on the attacks once he's inaugurated. True, Trump promises to reveal insider information about Russian hacking (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-promises-new-revelations-on-russian-hacking-this-week/). However, since Trump won't listen to intelligence briefings (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-has-declined-many-intelligence-briefings-offered-to-him/) and minimal security experts on his staff (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-we-should-worry-about-trumps-national-security-advisors), it's hard to imagine what "insider information" he could possibly possess.


This is, after all, a man whose closest computer expert appears to be his 10-year-old son (http://www.zdnet.com/article/donald-trump-cyberattack-election-what-to-do/). Perhaps he''ll reveal that Russian president Vladimir Putin told him that Russia didn't do it? Or, that, there were never any attacks and that the FBI and DHS are in cahoots with that nasty woman (https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-gets-testy-over-trumps-nasty-woman-comment/) to ruin his victory? Who knows.


Sarcasm aside, the US and its organizations recently have been subjected to multiple cyber-attacks. These assaults must be treated seriously. We need a more thorough investigation of who is behind them.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Inside the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, Fox News political pundit Sean Hannity (http://hsrd.yahoo.com/RV=1/RE=1484678334/RH=aHNyZC55YWhvby5jb20-/RB=/RU=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mb3huZXdzLmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDE 3LzAxLzAzL2Fzc2FuZ2UtcnVzc2lhbi1nb3Zlcm5tZW50LW5vd C1zb3VyY2Utd2lraWxlYWtzLWVtYWlscy5odG1sAA--/RS=%5EADACETU_CB0EoZj2nai5vhV0SDYiNM-) asked Assange to address the allegation that WikiLeaks was a tool employed by Moscow to interfere with the U.S. election.


“Can you say to the American people, unequivocally, that you did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta’s emails, can you tell the American people 1,000 percent that you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?” Hannity inquired.


“We can say, we have said repeatedly that over the last two months, that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party,” Assange responded.

[DMX7]

Not really. Trump already going after China and and N. Korea. Don't mess with Trump.

China & N. Korea are not Russia. He loves Russia and especially Putin -- he praises him every chance he gets.

[boutons_deux]

Inside the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, Fox News political pundit Sean Hannity (http://hsrd.yahoo.com/RV=1/RE=1484678334/RH=aHNyZC55YWhvby5jb20-/RB=/RU=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mb3huZXdzLmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDE 3LzAxLzAzL2Fzc2FuZ2UtcnVzc2lhbi1nb3Zlcm5tZW50LW5vd C1zb3VyY2Utd2lraWxlYWtzLWVtYWlscy5odG1sAA--/RS=%5EADACETU_CB0EoZj2nai5vhV0SDYiNM-) asked Assange to address the allegation that WikiLeaks was a tool employed by Moscow to interfere with the U.S. election.

“Can you say to the American people, unequivocally, that you did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta’s emails, can you tell the American people 1,000 percent that you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?” Hannity inquired.


“We can say, we have said repeatedly that over the last two months, that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party,” Assange responded.

so you're convinced you adorable Pootin did nothing to help get his compromised Man Toy elected?

All top-level spooks and hackers, crackers are excellent at covering their tracks. Russia's FSB, formerly KGB, must be assumed to be the darkest of the dark artists

And why did Assange, who has recently praised Pootin and Russia, dribble out the hacked info week by week, countering any of Hillary's moves, and give only info on Dems, NOTHING on Repugs? Assange is politically compromised, has no credibility as impartial source.

Of course, Trash fellator Hannity would believe every syllable from Assange that fit Hannity's politics.

[Chucho]

so you're convinced you adorable Pootin did nothing to help get his compromised Man Toy elected?

All top-level spooks and hackers, crackers are excellent at covering their tracks. Russia's FSB, formerly KGB, must be assumed to be the darkest of the dark artists

And why did Assange, who has recently praised Pootin and Russia, dribble out the hacked info week by week, countering any of Hillary's moves, and give only info on Dems, NOTHING on Repugs? Assange is politically compromised, has no credibility as impartial source.

Of course, Trash fellator Hannity would believe every syllable from Assange that fit Hannity's politics.


Wikileaks leaked W's trash too. Where were you asking why they didn't hack the Dems then? But so long a political idol of yours isn't having their evils leaked to people who should know how scummy they are, it's ok to hack, right? That is exactly what you're saying indirectly.

[TheSanityAnnex]

so you're convinced you adorable Pootin did nothing to help get his compromised Man Toy elected?

All top-level spooks and hackers, crackers are excellent at covering their tracks. Russia's FSB, formerly KGB, must be assumed to be the darkest of the dark artists

And why did Assange, who has recently praised Pootin and Russia, dribble out the hacked info week by week, countering any of Hillary's moves, and give only info on Dems, NOTHING on Repugs? Assange is politically compromised, has no credibility as impartial source.

Of course, Trash fellator Hannity would believe every syllable from Assange that fit Hannity's politics.


Why do you trust the US government over Assange? One is a proven liar the other is not.

Also this:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-hacks/

and there are plenty of other security experts saying the JAR was bullshit, unless you think they are all propping up Russia as well.

[Thread]

Inside the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, Fox News political pundit Sean Hannity (http://hsrd.yahoo.com/RV=1/RE=1484678334/RH=aHNyZC55YWhvby5jb20-/RB=/RU=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mb3huZXdzLmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDE 3LzAxLzAzL2Fzc2FuZ2UtcnVzc2lhbi1nb3Zlcm5tZW50LW5vd C1zb3VyY2Utd2lraWxlYWtzLWVtYWlscy5odG1sAA--/RS=%5EADACETU_CB0EoZj2nai5vhV0SDYiNM-) asked Assange to address the allegation that WikiLeaks was a tool employed by Moscow to interfere with the U.S. election.


“Can you say to the American people, unequivocally, that you did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta’s emails, can you tell the American people 1,000 percent that you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?” Hannity inquired.


“We can say, we have said repeatedly that over the last two months, that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party,” Assange responded.

Ass

[hater]

Thanks that znet article is money. You can bet the bullshington post wont be publishing any of those findings :lol

This just proves theres no evidence whatsoever and once again Trump is obliterating its poor opponents that can do nothing but cling and regurgitate conspiracy theories and fake news.

never thought Id see the democratic party in such a shit state. Poor Teddy Roosevelt, must be asking God to end hus spiritual misery

[boutons_deux]

The Repugs have gone even MORE FUCKING NUTS

GOP Rep. Plans Trip To Russia To Explore 'How We Can Work With The Duma'

A Republican congressman is planning to lead a congressional delegation to Russia shortly after President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration to explore “how we can work with the Duma," the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/04/gop-congressman-plans-russia-trip-to-work-with-the-duma/?postshare=751483551137161&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.8a9ac70e70f2) reported Wednesday.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) told the newspaper that he and other as-yet-unnamed members of a congressional delegation would travel to Russia in order to “have a real dialogue instead of screaming epithets at each other.”

“We’re going to look at certain goals we can set with our Congress and the Duma,” Rohrabacher told the Post. “What could we actually set in the legislature of Russia and in Congress? Could we work together, for example, and cooperate on space activities?”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rohrabacher-congressional-delegation-russia?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

"Hey, Pootin, you want the Baltic countries back, take 'em.

And take Finland, too, and whatever you want. And go ahead and finish the job in Ukraine.

We Repugs love you and your dystopia.

We are implementing our own American dystopia"

[boutons_deux]

McCain and Graham bow to McConnell's obstruction of Russia hacking investigation (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/3/1616739/-McCain-and-Graham-bow-to-McConnell-s-obstruction-of-Russia-hacking-investigation)

Surprise, surprise. (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-senate-russia-hacking-probe-233137) Congressional Republicans don’t want to know—or don’t want the public to know—just what exactly Russia did to influence the November elections, and

Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham, the guys who were supposedly going to stand up to their fellow Republicans and demand an investigation, are backing down.

McCain and Graham have been calling for a select committee, but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says that investigations through existing Senate committees are enough, and …

"We're just going to move with the individual committees and see how that works. If it doesn't work, we'll regroup," Graham said in an interview.

McCain said he'd spoken to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) about the matter. McConnell prefers to use the Intelligence Committee to spearhead the cyber investigation, and McCain said their discussions had done little to move the GOP leader.

"He said he doesn't think we need it," McCain said.


McConnell also blocked public release of information about what was happening ahead of the elections, so nothing new here.

“Top Republican obstructing release of politically inconvenient information” is not exactly breaking news in this day and age

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/3/1616739/-McCain-and-Graham-bow-to-McConnell-s-obstruction-of-Russia-hacking-investigation?detail=email&link_id=3&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-as-god-is-my-witness-ive-no-idea-what-to-do&email_referrer=as-god-is-my-witness-ive-no-idea-what-to-do&email_subject=as-god-is-my-witness-ive-no-idea-what-to-do

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/3/1616739/-McCain-and-Graham-bow-to-McConnell-s-obstruction-of-Russia-hacking-investigation?detail=email&link_id=3&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-as-god-is-my-witness-ive-no-idea-what-to-do&email_referrer=as-god-is-my-witness-ive-no-idea-what-to-do&email_subject=as-god-is-my-witness-ive-no-idea-what-to-do

So, you Trash fellators won't get the Putin story at all. No years-long, $Ms investigation like Whitewater/Benghazi.

[Winehole23]

odd there have been no leaks to the press, if the intelligence community really has the goods...

[Spurminator]

odd there have been no leaks to the press, if the intelligence community really has the goods...

True. Especially with Trump calling them out.

[boutons_deux]

Trash is threatening to reform NatSec

[DarrinS]

That super sophisticated state-sponsored phishing hack tho. Pedesta's password was 'password'. :lmao

[Thread]

Trash is threatening to reform NatSec

But, CNN was lightening quick to state that it's been done before.

[Wild Cobra]

True. Especially with Trump calling them out.

Trump will make them look like the fools they are if they continue with their antics.

[Spurminator]

Trump will make them look like the fools they are if they continue with their antics.

What antics, specifically?

[TheSanityAnnex]

odd there have been no leaks to the press, if the intelligence community really has the goods...
They have the goods, it just doesn't fit the narrative they've been pushing.

[boutons_deux]

Imagine if Hillary had won the electoral by 50, but Trash had won the popular by 3M

Trash's gun fellators, racists, etc, would be rioting, shootin up the place

[Thread]

Trash is threatening to reform NatSec

No. Just more fake news.

[Thread]

Imagine if Hillary had won the electoral by 50, but Trash had won the popular by 3M

Trash's gun fellators, racists, etc, would be rioting, shootin up the place

Instead we got you bent over like Tim Duncan.

[Thread]

& those 3 "Intelligence" heads should submit their resignations to Obama before the 20th. They failed on the scale that they laid out, under oath this morning. They failed.

[Chucho]

Instead we got you bent over like Tim Duncan.


More like "we raped y'all like Kobe did that white girl", but we're on the same team here, so no need to split hairs.

[mavsfan1000]

Instead we got you bent over like Tim Duncan.
:lol

[Thread]

More like "we raped y'all like Kobe did that white girl", but we're on the same team here, so no need to split hairs.

Bend over. I'll split a couple a fuckin' hairs.

[Chucho]

Bend over. I'll split a couple a fuckin' hairs.

No you won't. Your such a tired old shitbag, you have a hard time givin reach-arounds.

[boutons_deux]

U.S. intercepts show Russian officials celebrating Trump win: Washington Post

Senior Russian officials celebrated Donald Trump's election victory as a geopolitical win for Moscow, the Washington Post reported on Thursday, citing U.S. officials who said intercepted communications showed the Russians congratulating themselves on the outcome.

The ebullient reaction among high-ranking Russian officials - including some who U.S. officials believe had knowledge of the country's cyber campaign to interfere in the U.S. election - contributed to the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Moscow's efforts were aimed at least in part at helping Trump win the White House, the Post reported.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-celebrate-idUSKBN14P2NI?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

[boutons_deux]

US intel report identifies Russians who gave emails to WikiLeaks

The CIA has identified Russian officials who fed material hacked from the Democratic National Committee and party leaders to WikiLeaks at the direction of Russian President Vladimir Putin through third parties, according to a new U.S. intelligence report, senior U.S. officials said on Thursday.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Central Intelligence Agency and others have concluded that the Russian government escalated its efforts from discrediting the U.S. election process to assisting President-elect Donald Trump’s campaign.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/us-intel-report-identifies-russians-who-gave-emails-to-wikileaks-officials/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

Spy chief James Clapper ‘resolute’ on Russia cyber attack, differs with Trump

The top U.S. intelligence official said on Thursday he was “even more resolute” in his belief that Russia staged cyber attacks on Democrats during the 2016 election campaign, rebuking persistent skepticism from Republican President-elect Donald Trump about whether Moscow was involved.

James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, said he had a very high level of confidence that Russia hacked Democratic Party and campaign staff email, and disseminated propaganda and fake news aimed at the Nov. 8 election.

“Our assessment now is even more resolute than it was” on Oct. 7 when the government first publicly accused Russia, Clapper told a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

He said motives for the attack would be made public next week.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/spy-chief-resolute-on-russia-cyber-attack-differs-with-trump/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

In Latest Tweetstorm, Trump Questions Whether DNC Was Even Hacked

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

The Democratic National Committee would not allow the FBI to study or see its computer info after it was supposedly hacked by Russia....

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

So how and why are they so sure about hacking if they never even requested an examination of the computer servers? What is going on?


✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

How did NBC get "an exclusive look into the top secret report he (Obama) was presented?" Who gave them this report and why? Politics!

This week, Trump has mocked the intelligence community on Twitter while seemingly siding with Wikileaks’ Julian Assange over America’s own intelligence agencies. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/hours-after-mocking-intelligence-community-trump-takes-assanges-side-on-russian-hacking/)

http://www.mediaite.com/online/in-latest-tweetstorm-trump-questions-whether-dnc-was-even-hacked/Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

T (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)rash denies the illegitimacy of his Presidency like Repugs deny AGW

All Lies, All The Time.

America is fucked and unfuckable.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if there was a re-election and the same result...htf are they going to spin it again?

[mavsfan1000]

if there was a re-election and the same result...htf are they going to spin it again?
Still the Same. Russians hacked.

[boutons_deux]

Top 4 Ways Bush Even More Outrageously Dissed the Intelligence Community

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/01/05/top-4-ways-bush-even-more-outrageously-dissed-intelligence-community

[boutons_deux]

Former CIA director James Woolsey quits Trump transition team day before president-elect speaks on Russia hack

Less than 24-hours before Donald Trump is set to announce his so-called knowledge of Russia hacking, one of his top intelligence advisers has quit his team.

Former CIA director James Woolsey will no longer serve as an adviser to the President-elect or be part of the transition team as he was reportedly "excluded" from talks.

Mr Woolsey’s spokesman, Jonathan Franks, said that his departure will be "effective immediately".

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-transition-team-james-woolsey-quits-former-cia-director-russia-hack-could-be-playing-us-a7512296.html

[Winehole23]

They have the goods, it just doesn't fit the narrative they've been pushing.who do you like in the war between the deep state, itself, and the politicians?

[RandomGuy]

Intelligence chief: Russia’s election interference went far beyond hacks


Director of National Intelligence James Clapper says the Russian government’s interference with the United States election went far beyond the now highly publicized hacks of Democratic email accounts, which were merely one part of a multilayered campaign of propaganda and deception.

The intelligence leader outlined various methods wielded by Moscow to interfere with U.S. institutions during Thursday morning testimony on cyberattacks before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The testimony comes at a point of tension between the U.S. intelligence community and Donald Trump. The president-elect, set to meet with intelligence brass on Friday, has repeatedly cast doubt on the U.S. government’s conclusion that Russian state-sponsored cyberattacks sought to influence the election.

At the hearing, Sen. Martin Heinrich, D-N.M., asked Clapper if he could address not only classified information but also the relevance of publicly available information in seeing the full picture of Russia’s activities.

“While there has been a lot of focus on the hacking, this is actually part of a multifaceted campaign that the Russians mounted,” Clapper told the committee.

Clapper pointed to the Kremlin-funded TV channel RT, previously called Russia Today. “Of course RT, which is heavily supported, funded by the Russian government, was very, very active in promoting a particular point of view, disparaging our system,” he continued.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dni-russias-election-interference-went-far-beyond-hacks-173246915.html

[RandomGuy]

odd there have been no leaks to the press, if the intelligence community really has the goods...

Why bother with leaks, when you are going to testify in front of Congress about what you have?

[RandomGuy]

Why do you trust the US government over Assange? One is a proven liar the other is not.

Also this:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-smoking-gun-for-russian-dnc-hacks/

and there are plenty of other security experts saying the JAR was bullshit, unless you think they are all propping up Russia as well.

What I find odd and more than a bit sad is that our democracy is under direct attack from a government that views the idea itself as a hostile attack on them, and there are no few people here that seem to be playing this down, for the sole reason that their favored political party benefitted from that attack.

Seems to fit the definition of treason, IMO.

[Winehole23]

well, I'll guess we'll see.

as it stands, no evidence supports hacking. only the say so of anonymous sources and Mr. Clapper, who pushed aluminum tubes as WMDs and lied to the US Congress about domestic surveillance and CIA spying on the US Senate.

[Winehole23]

What I find odd and more than a bit sad is that our democracy is under direct attack from a government that views the idea itself as a hostile attack on them, and there are no few people here that seem to be playing this down, for the sole reason that their favored political party benefitted from that attack.

Seems to fit the definition of treason, IMO.The evidence so far has been weak; the treason hypothesis rests on an assumed premise, and is therefore overblown.

[in2deep]

Im pretty sure weve been hacking russias network for years. Where is their outrage??

[TheSanityAnnex]

U.S. intercepts show Russian officials celebrating Trump win: Washington Post

Senior Russian officials celebrated Donald Trump's election victory as a geopolitical win for Moscow, the Washington Post reported on Thursday, citing U.S. officials who said intercepted communications showed the Russians congratulating themselves on the outcome.

The ebullient reaction among high-ranking Russian officials - including some who U.S. officials believe had knowledge of the country's cyber campaign to interfere in the U.S. election - contributed to the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Moscow's efforts were aimed at least in part at helping Trump win the White House, the Post reported.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-celebrate-idUSKBN14P2NI?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29




WaPo "citing" anonymous US officials :lol

[Winehole23]

That you went there is revealing: urging a hypothesis of mass treason by Republicans on the thin reed of unproven Russian hacking tends to discredit the president-elect and his supporters. The umbrage taken by the targets may have as much to do with being slandered without evidence, as with being Trump voters.

Accusing people of treason without good evidence is reprehensible, but it's also what partisan hacks do.

[TheSanityAnnex]

In Latest Tweetstorm, Trump Questions Whether DNC Was Even Hacked

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

The Democratic National Committee would not allow the FBI to study or see its computer info after it was supposedly hacked by Russia....

Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

So how and why are they so sure about hacking if they never even requested an examination of the computer servers? What is going on?


✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

How did NBC get "an exclusive look into the top secret report he (Obama) was presented?" Who gave them this report and why? Politics!

This week, Trump has mocked the intelligence community on Twitter while seemingly siding with Wikileaks’ Julian Assange over America’s own intelligence agencies. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/hours-after-mocking-intelligence-community-trump-takes-assanges-side-on-russian-hacking/)

http://www.mediaite.com/online/in-latest-tweetstorm-trump-questions-whether-dnc-was-even-hacked/Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

T (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)rash denies the illegitimacy of his Presidency like Repugs deny AGW

All Lies, All The Time.

America is fucked and unfuckable.



Which tweet is a lie? Be specific.

[pgardn]

This is really a fight between Trump and supporters, and Democrats on the swaying of an election which is done.
Over.

The broader point is attempting interference. Trump will be president. The accusation we must stick to is that the highest Russian officials might have ordered interference of any kind.

Trump gets butt hurt over Arnold taking over his show, so forget his sickness. He can't help himself. There are bigger issues, good intelligence and attempted interference. Trump is pathologically insecure, this will not go away.

I believe this will be a major theme of our new government. We will have a leader who will go off the rail on some issues. This should not prevent us from seeking the best information we can get on these issues. This is fundamental. The opinions and editorials that follow are secondary. We will just have to be smart enough to determine which are making a mockery of the fundamentals.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What I find odd and more than a bit sad is that our democracy is under direct attack from a government that views the idea itself as a hostile attack on them, and there are no few people here that seem to be playing this down, for the sole reason that their favored political party benefitted from that attack.

Seems to fit the definition of treason, IMO.
Suggest you read the article first.

[Winehole23]

This is really a fight between Trump and supporters, and Democrats on the swaying of an election which is done.
Over.

The broader point is attempting interference. Trump will be president. The accusation we must stick to is that the highest Russian officials might have ordered interference of any kind.Funny how Clinton supporters who clutched their pearls over DJT threatening to contest the transition of power are doing it now.

[RandomGuy]

The evidence so far has been weak; the treason hypothesis rests on an assumed premise, and is therefore overblown.

Which assumed premise?

Russia views democracy itself as an enemy, and works to undermine it at every opportunity. They have defined themselves as an enemy, and it is reasonable to accept that, given their statements and actions. I can provide quite a bit of commentary by both Putin and his underlings to support that.

The evidence is fairly cumulative, and is far stronger than you appear to be aware of, no offense. I can, and should, do a bit of combing through open-source items to support that.

The only people directly criticizing this are the people whose political party benefitted from that enemy action. They are covering for an enemy, and that again seems to fit the definition of "aid and comfort", does it not?

I am happy to be honest and admit that full out "treason" is a bit of an exaggeration, but the fact that I can make this case in a plausible fashion is damning enough without it.

[boutons_deux]

How Russia wields cyberpower

"Russia has been the dominant actor in state-sponsored espionage in cyberspace for the past two decades," says Tom Kellermann of the cybersecurity firm Strategic Cyber Ventures.

"Cyberespionage and cybercrime are being seen as a strategic imperative for the regime," he said.

"It will be employed not only to facilitate propaganda, but it could also be used to manipulate data. Russia has the luxury of using their cybercrime proxies to create a fog of war."

But hacking tools appear to be just one means for Russia to exert its global agenda. Moscow is also relying on its economic powers, traditional propaganda, and espionage campaigns to compete with the US for influence in Europe,

"In certain countries, Russian influence has become so pervasive and endemic that it has challenged national stability as well as a country's Western orientation and Euro-Atlantic stability,"

"Kompromat is an old KGB strategy,"

Russia had also recently used "cybertactics and techniques to seek to influence public opinion across Europe and Eurasia."

with the internet, Russia is more able to disrupt its adversaries and promote its global viewpoint at greater speed and scale.

"You have to view the hacking as one part of a broader series of steps that the Russian leadership has undertaken over the last few years,"

"The broader US–Russia relationship is at a very dangerous point right now. Hacking is a part of it."

Russia-linked hackers appear to be using Ukraine as a test bed for digital attacks that target utilities and military operations.

a Kremlin-linked hacking group was also able to successfully compromise an Android app developed by Ukrainian soldiers used to speed up firing time for artillery weapons.

"This is a tactic that will be looked at by many militaries around the world,"

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Passcode/2017/0105/How-Russia-wields-cyberpower

America has elected a Pootin-compromised, simpleton President aided and abetted by a Repug party that adores Pootin as real manspreading Macho Man leader.

Repugs/VRWC leading USA into insane times. America is fucked and unfuckable.

[TheSanityAnnex]

The only people directly criticizing this are the people whose political party benefitted from that enemy action. They are covering for an enemy, and that again seems to fit the definition of "aid and comfort", does it not?

Bullshit. I've posted numerous non-partisan articles from those in the security sector that directly criticize the JAR report.

[DarrinS]

Do people not realize how amateurish the hack was?

[DarrinS]

How to protect yourself from Russian hackers:

1. Check URL for any hyperlink emailed to you, even if sender appears legit.
2. Don't run executables emailed to you

[TheSanityAnnex]

Has any US intelligence agency actually had access to the DNC server to do their own forensics analysis or has the DNC denied them access like they denied the FBI? Why is the DNC denying access to any US intelligence agency?

Is the entire US intelligence agency conclusion based off the DNC hired CrowdStrike analysis?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Do people not realize how amateurish the hack was?
Instead, Wordfence found the attack software was P.AS. 3.1.0 (https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2016/12/russia-malware-ip-hack/), an out-of-date, web-shell hacking tool. The newest version, 4.1.1b, is more sophisticated. Its website claims it was written in the Ukraine.
Mark Maunder, Wordfence's CEO, concluded that since the attacks were made "several versions behind the most current version of P.A.S [sic] which is 4.1.1b. One might reasonably expect Russian intelligence operatives to develop their own tools or at least use current malicious tools from outside sources."

[boutons_deux]

Trash's toady Assange could just say who gave him the cracked info. If not Pootin, then who?

[Winehole23]

Which assumed premise?

Russia views democracy itself as an enemy, and works to undermine it at every opportunity. They have defined themselves as an enemy, and it is reasonable to accept that, given their statements and actions. I can provide quite a bit of commentary by both Putin and his underlings to support that.

The evidence is fairly cumulative, and is far stronger than you appear to be aware of, no offense. I can, and should, do a bit of combing through open-source items to support that.Support what? That there was hacking?

That Russia is an enemy?

That people who merely disagree with anonymous government sources are giving "aid and comfort" to US enemies?

Go for it.

[Winehole23]

Funny how Clinton supporters who clutched their pearls over DJT threatening to contest the transition of power are doing it now.Even Nixon -- feeling sure Kennedy screwed him in 1960 -- cared too much for his country to challenge the result.

[Winehole23]

Bullshit. I've posted numerous non-partisan articles from those in the security sector that directly criticize the JAR report.


[/COLOR]You may not be a partisan, but your criticism is focused mainly on one party. Pattern of posting trumps self-avowals.

[Winehole23]

"How significantly did RU rely on Facebooks algos in its propaganda campaign?"

[Winehole23]

(https://twitter.com/emptywheel)
Clapper keeps calling the sources and methods here as "very fragile."

[TheSanityAnnex]

You may not be a partisan, but your criticism is focused mainly on one party. Pattern of posting trumps self-avowals.
I don't disagree that my criticisms are focused mainly on one party, disagree with the second part. If I have a pattern of posting trumps self-avowals that should be easy to show. I'll wait for you to provide.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Bump

Has any US intelligence agency actually had access to the DNC server to do their own forensics analysis or has the DNC denied them access like they denied the FBI? Why is the DNC denying access to any US intelligence agency?

Is the entire US intelligence agency conclusion based off the DNC hired CrowdStrike analysis?

[Winehole23]

trumps as a verb, not as possessive noun

[Winehole23]

lagniappe:

https://www.thelocal.de/20170106/us-tank-brigade-arrives-in-north-germany-for-eastern-deployment

[TheSanityAnnex]

trumps as a verb, not as possessive noun
Lol ok understood now

[boutons_deux]

That super sophisticated state-sponsored phishing hack tho. Pedesta's password was 'password'. :lmao

:lmao

rightwingnutjob cretin SUCKERED again


:lmao

Politifact found that there was “no material evidence” to confirm the claim, noting that Google “doesn’t even allow Gmail users to make their password ‘password’”:


None of the emails published on WikiLeaks show Podesta’s email password. And of the cyber analysts examining the phishing emails used to infiltrate Podesta’s and others’ accounts, none have made similar claims.

[...]

There is no material evidence to back up this claim. Google doesn’t even allow Gmail users to make their password "password."

We know from the stolen Podesta emails published on WikiLeaks that he used a Windows 8 login that had the password "p@ssw0rd." But that’s not for his email account.


http://mediamatters.org/research/2017/01/06/fox-attempts-downplay-report-russian-hacking-falsely-blaming-podestas-password/214947?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediamatters%2Fresearch+%28Me dia+Matters+for+America+-+Research%29

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lmao

rightwingnutjob cretin SUCKERED again


:lmao

Politifact found that there was “no material evidence” to confirm the claim, noting that Google “doesn’t even allow Gmail users to make their password ‘password’”:


None of the emails published on WikiLeaks show Podesta’s email password. And of the cyber analysts examining the phishing emails used to infiltrate Podesta’s and others’ accounts, none have made similar claims.

[...]

There is no material evidence to back up this claim. Google doesn’t even allow Gmail users to make their password "password."

We know from the stolen Podesta emails published on WikiLeaks that he used a Windows 8 login that had the password "p@ssw0rd." But that’s not for his email account.


http://mediamatters.org/research/2017/01/06/fox-attempts-downplay-report-russian-hacking-falsely-blaming-podestas-password/214947?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediamatters%2Fresearch+%28Me dia+Matters+for+America+-+Research%29





Who cares what his password was. All that matters was the content of the emails was not falsified, which it wasn't. It's entertaining watching you dodge this point every chance you get.

[DarrinS]

:lmao

rightwingnutjob cretin SUCKERED again


:lmao

Politifact found that there was “no material evidence” to confirm the claim, noting that Google “doesn’t even allow Gmail users to make their password ‘password’”:


None of the emails published on WikiLeaks show Podesta’s email password. And of the cyber analysts examining the phishing emails used to infiltrate Podesta’s and others’ accounts, none have made similar claims.

[...]

There is no material evidence to back up this claim. Google doesn’t even allow Gmail users to make their password "password."

We know from the stolen Podesta emails published on WikiLeaks that he used a Windows 8 login that had the password "p@ssw0rd." But that’s not for his email account.


http://mediamatters.org/research/2017/01/06/fox-attempts-downplay-report-russian-hacking-falsely-blaming-podestas-password/214947?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mediamatters%2Fresearch+%28Me dia+Matters+for+America+-+Research%29







True, but one of his passwords on his personal computer was p@ssword.

What gets lost in all this Russian hysteria is how stupid and negligent the DNC was in all of this.

[Chucho]

True, but one of his passwords on his personal computer was p@ssword.

What gets lost in all this Russian hysteria is how stupid and negligent the DNC was in all of this.


It doesn't get lost, it just flat out doesn't get reported in 90% of the Western Media.

[Winehole23]

so it does get reported. so much for a media blackout.

[boutons_deux]

Here's how y'alls cuddly, adorable Vlad runs his dystopia

Russia Requires Apple and Google to Remove LinkedIn From Local App Stores

The demand by Russian authorities to remove LinkedIn in Apple (http://www.nytimes.com/topic/company/apple-incorporated?inline=nyt-org) and Google app stores comes weeks after a court blocked (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/technology/russia-linkedin-data-court-blocked.html) the professional networking service for flouting

local laws that require internet firms to store data on Russian citizens within the nation’s borders.
The action is the equivalent of a nation banning “Catcher in The Rye” and then forcing booksellers to remove the title from their shelves. It puts Apple and Google in a difficult position.

The companies are strong proponents of open internet policies and free speech but are now being asked to be agents for governments that censor its citizens.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/technology/linkedin-blocked-in-russia.html

[Winehole23]

even HuffPo occasionally throws cold water on the hypothesis that Russian troll farms hijacked the election:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russia-facebook-ads-2016_us_5af60946e4b00d7e4c1a9a34

[boutons_deux]

I don't say Pootin's troll farms hijacked the election.

who can say Pootin's troll farms had no effect in the Presidential election that is often won by razor thin margin, 80K votes in 130M votes cast?

Pootin/Assange had a greater effect, dribbling out Pootin-stolen Dem emails weekly to distract from Hillary's campaign.

And Comey, with an AST from Nunes, had the greatest effect with his two trashings of Hillary, esp the one 10 days before the election.

( how can Repugs be down on Comey when he elected Trash? )

Russian trolls pushed the Jade Helm bullshit to inflame TX secessionists and even TX govt "monitored" Jade Helm in case Obama was going to invade/occupy TX.