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Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 02:34 PM
AT&T Center

December 14th, 2016

Pre-Game:

The Boston Celtics came into San Antonio on a bit of a skid. Losers of 3 of 4 and 4-6 in their last 10 games, the Celtics appeared to be tempering somewhat lofty expectations for their 2016-17 campaign. The venerated backcourt of Avery Bradley and Isaiah Thomas was built to contend in the East when the C's landed former Atlanta bigman Al Horford, a player who just a few years ago averaged 18 and 8 with a block and a half per game. With defensive specialist Amir Johnson, the Celtics were expected to have one of the stingiest squads in the NBA. But Boston has been middle of the pack for most of the season in both points allowed and opp FG%, and their DRTG is even worse. The Spurs, conversely, are putting together another incredible regular season start, with the notable exception that they tend to play much better on the road this season, a bizarre about-face from the nearly impeccable home record in 2015-16. Winners of 15 of the last 17, and with an injury to Isaiah Thomas, the Spurs needed to capitalize on the weakened guard spot of the Celtics, who had to give big minutes to perennial Shaqtin a Fool contender Marcus Smart, who has perhaps one of the most unfortunate names in the NBA. Smart “led” all players with a sterling negative 17 +/- for the night. The Spurs meanwhile were without starting big LaMarcus Aldridge, arguably less of an impact for the Spurs on D because of the lack of depth around the hoop for the Celtics.

Game Breakdown

1st Quarter
Teams have started pretty hot against the Spurs this season, and the Celtics were no exception. The Celtics made 5 out of their first 6 shots – most of them well-contested, to jump out to a 13-10 lead. It would be their largest lead of the game. The Spurs offense to their credit was also firing away, and quickly regained the lead 14-13 on a Kawhi Leonard jumper. Kawhi furthered the Spurs lead with a series of buckets as the reserves took the floor for both teams. After a couple of miscues by the bench, Manu connected on a couple of 3s to give the Spurs some breathing room and then dropped a nice assist into Dedmon for to close the quarter up 32-23.

2nd Quarter
Characteristically, the 2nd quarter got started with Marcus taking a Smart shot from 33 feet away. After Mills and Rozier traded buckets, the Spurs went cold. Bertans, Tony, Kawhi, and Pau all missed shots to allow the Celtics to take the lead 43-42. Then Patty, sub-starter David Lee, and Kawhi all got rolling to put the Spurs up 56-47 at halftime. Both teams made some pretty difficult shots and both also had some trouble handling the ball in the first half. Overall it was a decent performance by the Spurs to this point and the Celtics were hanging tough, though they were setting some incredibly physical screens that at times involved them wrapping up the Spurs player with no whistle. Here’s hoping the NBA takes a look at that in this offseason (doubtful).

3rd Quarter
This was not a great quarter of ball from the Spurs. They started off excellent, with David Lee and Kawhi Leonard scoring at will and moving well off the ball. However, the usual bench energy and sparkplug scoring was not there, and numerous turnovers and poor shots late in the clock (a Bertans fading 3 pointer, really?) saw the Celtics crawl back within a single point as Mills, Kawhi, and Manu missed several shots down the stretch of the 3rd. A Gasol 3 saved the quarter somewhat for the Spurs putting the home team ahead 77-73 entering the 4th.

4th Quarter
The 4th started with some hustle-ball being played by the Spurs. Numerous offensive rebounds and defensive stops saw the lead quickly grow to 10 points behind contributions from Mills and Dedmon. The C’s scrapped back into it, but an early dagger by Davis opened the lead to 90-80, and the Celtics never really threatened again. The 4th degraded into a 3 point shooting competition that both teams lost, but ultimately the Spurs prevailed with a 108-101 victory in a game that wasn't nearly as close as the final score indicates.

Player Grades

Player of the Game:

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Kawhi Leonard: C

Are you shocked? I bet you’re shocked. Just kidding. Kawhi Leonard was easily the best player on the court for the Spurs tonight. Some might question the “C” grade he’s been given, but that just shows how far Leonard has come that he can put up the best numbers, look in control on offense, shoot 9-17 and still be given a grade of “average”. All in all I wasn’t super thrilled with what I saw from Kawhi tonight. He had some very strong moments of defense, and his offense was anywhere from great to unstoppable when he was aggressive, but I wasn’t overly impressed by roughly 40% of the game from Kawhi. He got lost a few times and looked a little passive, particularly in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, where he took a total of 6 shots. The C’s clearly had absolutely no one to guard him in a half court set, and I would have much preferred him going to the rack and getting their already thin team in foul trouble. It is a testament to Kawhi’s work ethic that this constitutes an “ok” night from him, as the 4 turnovers and 1-5 shooting were somewhat balanced by 6 assists. A “bad” game from Leonard can still be a dominating 25+ point performance and a fairly comfortable win for the Spurs.

Starters

Pau Gasol: B+
Gasol’s defense wasn’t the best tonight, and that prevents him from getting an A. Still, 17 points to go with 7-12 shooting, and more importantly, 13 rebounds on a night when LMA is out and Kawhi isn’t doing his usual glass scraping is excellent production from the veteran big man. Gasol was aggressive when he had the ball, not hesitating to post up or shoot 3s, but he was also eager to hand it off, as he racked up 6 assists to Lee, Kawhi, and Tony. Gasol channeled his inner-Duncan into a quiet, workmanlike, effective performance tonight. We’ll take these numbers every night from him.

David Lee: B+
I contemplated giving Lee an A- tonight. That was tempered only by the fact that he wasn’t too aggressive on offense and thus wound up with 8 points, albeit on 5 shots. But make no mistake, this was a great outing from our surprise rotation player this season. Dedmon and Lee both put in work tonight, and Lee was running hard to play defense – his hustle got him double digit rebounds for the game (10) and also allowed Pop to comfortably give him 30 minutes of action.

Tony Parker: B
Another player perhaps deserving of a higher grade, Parker was undoubtedly a threat tonight. Maybe Parker does have some gas in the tank left, or perhaps Boston is just haunted by his ghost, but they looked absolutely terrified of Parker’s driving ability in this game. Boston sagged off and went under screens against TP, and he still managed to make 4 of his 8 shots by getting into the paint, and had a couple of very nice inside scoring plays. Tony was generally good on defense this game, with a couple of frustration fouls marred an otherwise solid outing. As previously mentioned, his counterpart posted a -17 for the night, easily the worst for either team.

Danny Green: D-
Danny Green had a very good first 6 minutes of play last night. Afterward his brain was apparently possessed, or maybe he was just in awe of Smart’s hair, but Green fell off the face of the Earth. His defense was scattershot and he was generally a ghost on both ends of the floor. Avery Bradley lit up Danny for 25 points on 10-16 shooting, and this was perhaps the worst I have ever seen Danny play on close-out defense to stop open 3s from raining down. Two things saved Danny from an “F” tonight: He didn’t shoot enough to actively hurt the offense, and Pop was evidently tuning into Spurstalk, pulling the starting guard after just 23 minutes of action.


Beeeeeeeeeench

Dwayne Dedmon: A-
Game high grade goes to one Dwayne Walking Dedmon (middle name might be inaccurate). He was extremely effective in his limited play tonight, compiling 5 rebounds and shockingly 10 points in his 16 minutes of action. He also had a very nice steal that led to a transition bucket for the Spurs. So, what’s the deal, then? Well, Dedmon doesn’t get an A+ tonight, because while his defense is good and energetic, he also makes some mistakes. He overcommits and the other team uses him to draw fouls. 3 fouls in just 16 minutes of action is far too much (though it’s strongly preferable to someone who’s passive on D). It also probably means we cannot depend on him for consistent minutes because of his propensity to attack on D. Still, a great overall performance from a completely unexpected source at the start of this season. Dedmon is almost assuredly going to be a very well-paid man by the end of Free Agency.

Manu Ginobili: B
Sadly, the time where we can anticipate Manu just dominating a game has come and gone. It appeared he might do that tonight, as he looked like he was about to catch fire in the 1st quarter after burying a couple of 3s. This was precipitated by Jaylen Brown literally taking the ball out of Manu’s hands, after which it seemed to light a candle under Manu, who apparently doesn’t like scrubs being mean to him. Manu was solid on defense tonight and didn’t try to force the issue too much, perhaps showing a bit of maturity where his old self used his capable recklessness to shear defenses apart. While that GINOBILI is lost to history, the Manu we had tonight was a positive experience.

Davis Bertans: B-
I’m not terribly displeased by what I saw from Bertans tonight. He was hustling, he wasn’t afraid to shoot, and participated in some nice ball movement. But this comes with a caution – this guy has a really, really low skill ceiling on defense. He’s just slow, both laterally and in the open court, and I’m not sure how much the coaching staff can do to resolve it. That said, as an offensive player he does tend to hit when left open, so he could be a slightly less skilled version of Marco Belinelli for this year’s squad, and with 5 inches of height he offers potentially more utility.

Patty Mills: C-
It has been a long time since Patty gets “passes” on games from me. He is sufficiently talented and skilled that I expect far more out of our journeyman Aussie guard than this pedestrian effort. Mills had a couple of good stretches and his shooting was solid for the most part – but that, again, is only enough to earn him a “C” from me. He also had some ugly possessions and generally wasn’t as impactful unless he was shooting. It speaks to how well Mills is playing that this is considered a sub-standard performance, because it is not long ago that this would have been a pleasant surprise from Mills.

Incomplete: Jonathan Simmons and Kyle Anderson:
Are these guys in Pop’s doghouse? It’s not too surprising for Anderson, but Simmons has played well most of the year and on a night when we didn’t have all of our horses should have seen expanded time for Simmons. After playing so well in 18 minutes against Brooklyn, I can’t really explain why Simmons didn’t see more time, especially with Green struggling. Hopefully this is just a game off for Jonathan. Kyle, meanwhile, did acceptably well in his 6 minutes and had a nice block to go with limited time on the court.

Gregg Popovich: B
A solid outing from Pop. I’m curious as to why he didn’t play Simmons, but many of his plays seemed to work well, although at times they broke down and ended up in numerous fadeaway 3s (which I cannot fault Pop too much for). I also would have liked to see Leonard force-fed a bit more, as he was caving in the entire C’s defense when he stepped inside the 3 point line. A side note: It would be nice to see the Spurs stop taking the illegal screens on the chin, even if it means picking up a technical it would be nice to see one of our players respond physically to those cheap plays, as the Celtics used them numerous times in the first half to get free for open 3 pointers. At one point, they held Manu’s hand to stop him from getting around the screen, and it was far less romantic than that sentence suggests. Short of the 3rd quarter stall, this had all the hallmarks of a comfortable Spurs win and could have been a 30 point game if they would have closed out on 3 point shooters better. The Spurs are now the only team in the NBA in the top 7 in both ORTG and DRTG and are on pace for 66 wins for the season.

Around the League
Surprisingly, the Warriors are not the best offensive team in the league by ORTG this year. Despite their plethora of weapons, it’s the Raptors who have a 118.79 to the Dubs 117.33. Memphis maintains its status as a defensive stalwart. The worst DRTG goes to Portland.

The NBA and NBPA reached a 7 year agreement on Wednesday.

A report that retired star Dikembe Cookie Monster Mutombo (again, middle name might not be accurate) was robbed was refuted by Dikembe himself, or at least his official instagram page.

The Lakers are now 2.5 games out of having the worst record in the league after losing 8 straight.

The Pelicans Tyreke Evans will return to action on Thursday after 11 months of inactivity following knee surgery.

apalisoc_9
12-15-2016, 02:39 PM
Thanks for Ascending effort.

But a C grade is way too cute for a best player in the game.

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 02:44 PM
Thanks for Ascending effort.

But a C grade is way too cute for a best player in the game.

He scored 1 point more than his season average, had 4 TOs, 3 rebounds with LMA out, and generally wasn't a force like usual on defense. I guess you're still using 2014 standards to judge Kawhi? I didn't know you thought so lowly of him.

silverblackfan
12-15-2016, 02:46 PM
Enjoyed the write up very much.
:bobo

I think Pop is saving Anderson and Simmons for tonight with a well-rested LMA.

superbigtime
12-15-2016, 02:46 PM
This was a very well written and well explained synopsis from the first to the last sentence. Can see you put in time and effort. Thank you.

palangi
12-15-2016, 02:51 PM
Has parkers expectations fallen so much that a bad game garners a B grade? Sure he had a good 4th quarter but his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters were atrocious. Every time he was in we lost a lead or fell farther behind.

But hey it your grades so good job. well written

Spur|n|Austin
12-15-2016, 02:53 PM
Awesome write-up! Thanks Cry Havoc

Darius Bieber
12-15-2016, 02:53 PM
Has parkers expectations fallen so much that a bad game garners a B grade? Sure he had a good 4th quarter but his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarters were atrocious. Every time he was in we lost a lead or fell farther behind.

But hey it your grades so good job. well written

He really isn't good anymore. In a league filled with point guard talent, it really sucks to be stuck with Parker.

Perry Mason
12-15-2016, 02:54 PM
Great and entertaining write-up. Thanks a ton.

I might have given Kawhi a C+ or B-, due to his clutch offense down the stretch. But I agree his defense and effort seemed to wane in the game, at a time when the Spurs could have started cruising. So the Celtics got back in the game.

Patty to my mind deserves an A for the first half, and then a much lower grade for the second (at least the third quarter). I might have given him a B- overall. Pretty solid effort, with some lethargy and lack of creativity in the second half.

PÒÓCH
12-15-2016, 02:54 PM
:tu:tu This type of post is the reason why I visit Spurstalk

apalisoc_9
12-15-2016, 02:54 PM
He scored 1 point more than his season average, had 4 TOs, 3 rebounds with LMA out, and generally wasn't a force like usual on defense. I guess you're still using 2014 standards to judge Kawhi? I didn't know you thought so lowly of him.

By that Logic, He's a C player...:lol

He's a superstar, there's very little room to "explode" in his status from a statistical standpoint. When you get to that points, it's all about consistancy.

If I was told Kawhi was gonna score 26ppg every game and had 6 assist, I would never guessed some dude would evaluate his total performance as a "C"..

Its just too Hipster of a mindset.

But its a great Game grade effort.

Splits
12-15-2016, 02:55 PM
Probably the best write-up of the season, thanks CH. I missed the game and after reading this it felt like I didn't.

Robz4000
12-15-2016, 02:58 PM
Of course Evans is back in time for Tim's Retirement night. That game's gonna be a doozy. Thanks for the in-depth write-up CH; don't agree with all your grades but the explanations behind them are sound.

RD2191
12-15-2016, 03:00 PM
Terrible grades. Too much bullshit. Just get to the point, faggot.

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 03:01 PM
By that Logic, He's a C player...:lol

He's a superstar, there's very little room to "explode" in his status from a statistical standpoint. When you get to that points, it's all about consistancy.

If I was told Kawhi was gonna score 26ppg every game and had 6 assist, I would never guessed some dude would evaluate his total performance as a "C"..

Its just too Hipster of a mindset.

But its a great Game grade effort.

I'm not judging him based on the performance of Davis Bertans. I'm judging him based on the talent and performance of Kawhi Leonard. He is absolutely capable of doing what he did last night every game, and had lapses on defense.

Scoring was average for this season, 1-5 from 3. We've seen him explode for 30+ tonight -- that would have raised his grade to a B or higher, consistent defense would have made it an A or A+.
Turnovers way up at 4 Assists up at 6 but 6 ast 4 turnovers is not good from a superstar.
Rebounds at 3, with LMA out, is not average or close to it.

For an A, Kawhi needs to get 30 points+, with solid defense, and good stats across the boards with aggressiveness for 4 quarters. That's what I expect from a superstar max player having a great game.

But thanks. :tu

palangi
12-15-2016, 03:02 PM
Great and entertaining write-up. Thanks a ton.

I might have given Kawhi a C+ or B-, due to his clutch offense down the stretch. But I agree his defense and effort seemed to wane in the game, at a time when the Spurs could have started cruising. So the Celtics got back in the game.

Patty to my mind deserves an A for the first half, and then a much lower grade for the second (at least the third quarter). I might have given him a B- overall. Pretty solid effort, with some lethargy and lack of creativity in the second half.the team played so much better with Mills out there over Parker. Yet somehow Parker has a better grade? Go figure.

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 03:03 PM
Terrible grades. Too much bullshit. Just get to the point, faggot.

I suppose it's a compliment that my posts distress you so much that I'm actively forcing you to read the entire narrative rather than just glancing at the pictures and the grades that headline every section. :lol Must be rough for you.

SAGirl
12-15-2016, 03:03 PM
Thanks for the write up Havoc. I like your writing style and sense of humor.

I missed this game so I have no comments other than being very appreciative. :toast

Also, :flag:

Em-City
12-15-2016, 03:05 PM
I was really impressed with the gasol /Lee combo. Lee's desire to score at the rim is much more evident than LA 's and pau's passing allows him to be soft and post on the perimeter, while hitting Lee on baseline cuts. Once Aldridge is back, I'd like to see gasol benched early so he can get more minutes with Lee.

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 03:06 PM
Enjoyed the write up very much.
:bobo

I think Pop is saving Anderson and Simmons for tonight with a well-rested LMA.


This was a very well written and well explained synopsis from the first to the last sentence. Can see you put in time and effort. Thank you.


Awesome write-up! Thanks Cry Havoc


Great and entertaining write-up. Thanks a ton.

I might have given Kawhi a C+ or B-, due to his clutch offense down the stretch. But I agree his defense and effort seemed to wane in the game, at a time when the Spurs could have started cruising. So the Celtics got back in the game.

Patty to my mind deserves an A for the first half, and then a much lower grade for the second (at least the third quarter). I might have given him a B- overall. Pretty solid effort, with some lethargy and lack of creativity in the second half.


:tu:tu This type of post is the reason why I visit Spurstalk


Probably the best write-up of the season, thanks CH. I missed the game and after reading this it felt like I didn't.


Of course Evans is back in time for Tim's Retirement night. That game's gonna be a doozy. Thanks for the in-depth write-up CH; don't agree with all your grades but the explanations behind them are sound.

:tu Thanks guys.

Hopefully we do see more of Simmons tonight. Maybe 25 minutes would be nice.

Re: Grades -- if I didn't grade on a curve I might as well just give Kawhi a B+ to A+ every single game. Most players are going to post stats close to their season averages. I think it's more involving to grade them against their own abilities. I don't think much information is given if Kawhi is given a higher grade than Bertans - everyone on the planet knows who's going to play better if you use the same baseline for them.

apalisoc_9
12-15-2016, 03:08 PM
Terrible grades. Too much bullshit. Just get to the point, faggot.

Not sure why such a basic post is so funny. Insults like these is always a nice curveball in an otherwise complimentary thread. :lol

RD2191
12-15-2016, 03:17 PM
Is OP lost? Didn't he trash this place and claim reddit is better?

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 03:22 PM
Is OP lost? Didn't he trash this place and claim reddit is better?

You just posted twice to a thread that's actually talking about basketball, and that's such a rare event that I'll understand and forgive your confusion. No harm done.

dabom
12-15-2016, 03:23 PM
Terrible grades. Too much bullshit. Just get to the point, faggot.

The 2 best players got the lowest grades. Dude is a reddit faggots. Straight up. I don't give a fuck what he he thinks about expectations. That is unacceptable. :lmao

Brazil
12-15-2016, 03:26 PM
RD is my nigg' but I disagree on dat one, I liked reading those game grades with breakdown per quarter and the touch at the end about other news in the NBA :tu

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 03:27 PM
The 2 best players got the lowest grades. Dude is a reddit faggots. Straight up. I don't give a fuck what he he thinks about expectations. That is unacceptable. :lmao

Your anger is all the validation I need for proof that my grades are right where they need to be. Thanks for the confidence.

elemento
12-15-2016, 03:30 PM
Thanks for the grades man.

Yeah, I feel DG could have done a better job on AB. I don't agree with Leonard's grade though.

I'll be honest - I barely missed Aldridge this game. Lee did a great job replacing him.

dabom
12-15-2016, 03:30 PM
RD is my nigg' but I disagree on dat one, I liked reading those game grades with breakdown per quarter and the touch at the end about other news in the NBA :tu

What about the shitty fucking grades though? Very hipster.

dabom
12-15-2016, 03:31 PM
Your anger is all the validation I need for proof that my grades are right where they need to be. Thanks for the confidence.

Did your gf help you out? :lol

daledondale
12-15-2016, 03:32 PM
Thanks for the writeup!

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 03:36 PM
Did your gf help you out? :lol

How sad is it that you need to come into a thread about the Spurs game last night and try to get attention?

Good God dude. How insecure are you that you have to make this personal? :lol

dabom
12-15-2016, 03:39 PM
The best player in the NBA without LMA owned the Celtics and closed them out. A fucking C? So hipster'y. :lol

I asked a simple question. Didn't think you would act like a lil durbeta. :lol

tonight...you
12-15-2016, 04:00 PM
What is up with people being called "Hipster"?
Is that some new insult now?

dabom
12-15-2016, 04:02 PM
What is up with people being called "Hipster"?
Is that some new insult now?

Has nothing to do with being a Repub and calling him a liberal/hipster. He is a redditer neck beard hipster. :lol

Spurs_619
12-15-2016, 04:32 PM
Grading players on what you expect of them is stupid... imagine a professor grading students like that :lol

dabom
12-15-2016, 04:35 PM
Grading players on what you expect of them is stupid... imagine a professor grading students like that :lol

You did all the work. But you a genius so you get a C. Everyone else put in zero work but get A's and B's. :lol

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 04:44 PM
Grading players on what you expect of them is stupid... imagine a professor grading students like that :lol

First of all, they do that, it's called a curve.

Second of all, that's arguably a better way to do it, since at that point it becomes purely about effort rather than talent.

Thirdly, if you don't advocate a curve, well hell, I'll do game grades for every player for the rest of the season in 5 minutes since they're going to stay basically the same from game to game.

You expect more out of your superstars. That wasn't close to one of Kawhi's best games of the season. Should we just give him an A+ every game and be done with it?

dabom
12-15-2016, 04:46 PM
C is barely passing. Watch the fucking game next time or adjust your expectation. :lol

If you give him a B, it's subjective but it ain't fucking moronic. :lol

Darius Bieber
12-15-2016, 04:51 PM
C is barely passing. Watch the fucking game next time it adjust your expectation. :lol

If you give him a B, it's subjective but it ain't fucking moronic. :lol

Darius Bieber
12-15-2016, 04:53 PM
Is OP lost? Didn't he trash this place and claim reddit is better?
He gets downvoted a lot on reddit too.:lol

Also posts top-notch observations.

http://i.imgur.com/wJUC3Tj.jpg

Laughing Gravy
12-15-2016, 04:58 PM
He also took a couple of bad shots early in possessions at the end of the game when he should have been burning clock.

Spurs_619
12-15-2016, 05:01 PM
First of all, they do that, it's called a curve.

Second of all, that's arguably a better way to do it, since at that point it becomes purely about effort rather than talent.

Thirdly, if you don't advocate a curve, well hell, I'll do game grades for every player for the rest of the season in 5 minutes since they're going to stay basically the same from game to
game.

You expect more out of your superstars. That wasn't close to one of Kawhi's best games of the season. Should we just give him an A+ every game and be done with it?

That's not what a curve is dude are you serious? If a D student writes a C paper he doesn't get an A on a curve system unless everyone else bombed also.

And yea most of his games would be A games compared to the rest of the league.

RD2191
12-15-2016, 05:01 PM
Did your gf help you out? :lol

:lmao

Em-City
12-15-2016, 05:13 PM
First of all, they do that, it's called a curve.

Second of all, that's arguably a better way to do it, since at that point it becomes purely about effort rather than talent.

Thirdly, if you don't advocate a curve, well hell, I'll do game grades for every player for the rest of the season in 5 minutes since they're going to stay basically the same from game to game.

You expect more out of your superstars. That wasn't close to one of Kawhi's best games of the season. Should we just give him an A+ every game and be done with it?
Spurstalk has been grading on a curve since game grades were a thing... i don't know why people still don't get it.

SAGirl
12-15-2016, 05:16 PM
Spurstalk has been grading on a curve since game grades were a thing... i don't know why people still don't get it.
player fans being cry babies... same thing it always is.

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 05:17 PM
Spurstalk has been grading on a curve since game grades were a thing... i don't know why people still don't get it.

If I graded all players the same Kawhi would definitely have been an A, but Patty would have gotten a D for last game. :lol

palangi
12-15-2016, 05:18 PM
That's not what a curve is dude are you serious? If a D student writes a C paper he doesn't get an A on a curve system unless everyone else bombed also.

And yea most of his games would be A games compared to the rest of the league.I was thinking the same thing. I don't think he knows what a Curve System is.

palangi
12-15-2016, 05:18 PM
Spurstalk has been grading on a curve since game grades were a thing... i don't know why people still don't get it.Because that is not a curve

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 05:19 PM
Because that is not a curve

It's an individual curve. It's also pretty simple to understand.

palangi
12-15-2016, 05:24 PM
It's an individual curve. It's also pretty simple to understand.Not a curve!

dabom
12-15-2016, 05:24 PM
There's a curve that ya like to use, and then there's being a dumbass. :lol

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 05:35 PM
Not a curve!

"The term 'curve' refers to the bell curve, the graphical representation of the probability density of the normal distribution."

It's absolutely a curve, just not the kind you are wanting. It's a curve designed to give each player a bell curve of performances through the season as opposed to just giving Kawhi a >B+ for the entire year.

dabom
12-15-2016, 05:43 PM
Tip 3 player in the league getting a C carrying this fucking team. :lol

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 05:59 PM
Tip 3 player in the league getting a C carrying this fucking team. :lol

That's how good Leonard is. He can have an average game and still dominate.

TD 21
12-15-2016, 06:09 PM
Incomplete: Jonathan Simmons and Kyle Anderson: Are these guys in Pop’s doghouse? It’s not too surprising for Anderson, but Simmons has played well most of the year and on a night when we didn’t have all of our horses should have seen expanded time for Simmons. After playing so well in 18 minutes against Brooklyn, I can’t really explain why Simmons didn’t see more time, especially with Green struggling. Hopefully this is just a game off for Jonathan. Kyle, meanwhile, did acceptably well in his 6 minutes and had a nice block to go with limited time on the court.

Gregg Popovich: B A solid outing from Pop. I’m curious as to why he didn’t play Simmons, but many of his plays seemed to work well, although at times they broke down and ended up in numerous fadeaway 3s (which I cannot fault Pop too much for). I also would have liked to see Leonard force-fed a bit more, as he was caving in the entire C’s defense when he stepped inside the 3 point line.

- There's only room for one of Anderson or Simmons in the rotation and the latter has clearly been better and provides more of what this team needs.

- Aldridge being out and the lack of small ball this team plays wasn't going to lead to an increased role for either.

- Simmons passed up a wide open 3 early in the 2nd quarter and they ended up with a forced heave with the shot clock winding down. Surprisingly, it didn't lead to an immediate hook (but it should have).

- Going with Anderson in the 2nd half was probably more so about getting him some run and letting Simmons know that even though he's outperformed him, he's still on a short leash.

- Not force feeding Leonard too much was the right thing to do on a night when Parker looked at least respectable (those need to be taken advantage of), especially in a back to back situation.

dabom
12-15-2016, 06:09 PM
Average is B dumbass. C is sub par. :lol

palangi
12-15-2016, 06:10 PM
"The term 'curve' refers to the bell curve, the graphical representation of the probability density of the normal distribution."

It's absolutely a curve, just not the kind you are wanting. It's a curve designed to give each player a bell curve of performances through the season as opposed to just giving Kawhi a >B+ for the entire year.still not a curve

Dex
12-15-2016, 06:29 PM
Great write-up Cry!

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 06:44 PM
Great write-up Cry!

Ty

SpursIndonesia
12-15-2016, 07:14 PM
He scored 1 point more than his season average, had 4 TOs, 3 rebounds with LMA out, and generally wasn't a force like usual on defense. I guess you're still using 2014 standards to judge Kawhi? I didn't know you thought so lowly of him.

He is not other worldly amazing last night, but a C is indeed too harsh. I give him a B or B- for that performance, ho hum as it was.

tonight...you
12-15-2016, 07:18 PM
Ty
True. Good stuff.
The stuff about the grades are always going to get harped on. You wrote an enjoyable read.

Strategic
12-15-2016, 07:20 PM
Nice write up. I don't get to watch many games, really like the thoughts. Saw the first quarter of this one and thought TP and MG played pretty well.

pgardn
12-15-2016, 07:23 PM
I'm in agreement with the majority and will say, good stuff and thanks.
Gasol was my player of the game.

apalisoc_9
12-15-2016, 07:24 PM
He gets downvoted a lot on reddit too.:lol

Also posts top-notch observations.

http://i.imgur.com/wJUC3Tj.jpg

:lmao

Our D is more mobile with Pau? :lmao

Cry Havoc
12-15-2016, 08:23 PM
:lmao

Our D is more mobile with Pau? :lmao

.... yes? As opposed to a one-legged 40 year old Duncan? What the fuck are you even saying?

Also, lol stalking my reddit. Pretty sad man.

TampaDude
12-15-2016, 08:27 PM
Win. Next!

EVAY
12-15-2016, 10:16 PM
Well Done, CH! Great write up!

thanks for the insights.

YGWHI
12-16-2016, 12:48 AM
For an A, Kawhi needs to get 30 points+, with solid defense, and good stats across the boards with aggressiveness for 4 quarters. That's what I expect from a superstar max player having a great game.

Grades are personal point of views, if someone gives a player an A, B, C, D...I'm fine with it.

But people's impossible/unrealistic expectations are an issue.

Tim Duncan averaged 25 ppg only one time in his career, then his 2nd best scoring season was 23.3ppg.

Kawhi was putting 24.7 ppg this season until tonight game in Phoenix. But now, fans are expecting Kawhi to score 30+ points to even consider he has a good game.

Prime Duncan had games were he didn't even score 23, wasn't aggressive for the whole four quarters, but was dominant in the 4th and we still thought he was amazing in those games.

Not sure why you are expecting more from Kawhi than the best PF to ever play the game.

Brazil
12-16-2016, 08:18 AM
What about the shitty fucking grades though? Very hipster.

:lol I don't mind the grades tbh

but this is well written. I did not see the game so I enjoyed reading it

TheDoctor
12-16-2016, 10:07 AM
It's an individual curve. It's also pretty simple to understand.

It's a 4 seams fastball then?

Thanks for the grades and good job :tu

Cry Havoc
12-16-2016, 11:14 AM
Grades are personal point of views, if someone gives a player an A, B, C, D...I'm fine with it.

But people's impossible/unrealistic expectations are an issue.

Tim Duncan averaged 25 ppg only one time in his career, then his 2nd best scoring season was 23.3ppg.

Kawhi was putting 24.7 ppg this season until tonight game in Phoenix. But now, fans are expecting Kawhi to score 30+ points to even consider he has a good game.

Prime Duncan had games were he didn't even score 23, wasn't aggressive for the whole four quarters, but was dominant in the 4th and we still thought he was amazing in those games.

Not sure why you are expecting more from Kawhi than the best PF to ever play the game.

I was glossing over that purposely for the sake of being easy to digest. If Kawhi scores 22 points but plays insane defense (independent of steals and blocks, also), smothers his man and generally is a terror on the court with clutch rebounds and good shooting, that's an A from me as well.

Obviously the grades aren't solely based on his point total. But after watching Kawhi for 90% of the games this season, this was a poorer performance from him than he usually puts up. He seemed a little disinterested at times. But who knows, maybe he's just getting a feel for when he knows he can take over and win the game.

I don't think saying having a 30 point game is unrealistic when he's done it 7 times this season.