Game Thread 12/28. Suns at Spurs 7:30 CST (8:30EST, 3:30 AM Riga Time)

[vander]

Sean comparing Murray to Westbrook :wow

also called him a "natural passer" :lol

[NASpurs]

No way the Spurs go after a point guard next offseason if they believe that DM is the future and Parker is still under contract. He's going to get his time next year.

[dabom]

Can't wait for the Kawhi/LMA/Murray Big 3, tbh.

Murray is legit. I'm ready.

[$pursDynasty]

Oops Raptors down by 18 already

[bklynspursfan]

Idk why Murray isn't burning clock

[GSH]

Sean comparing Murray to Westbrook :wow


Yeah, that may be a little premature.

[FkLA]

Idk why Murray isn't burning clock

Oh ok, so only Enrique can play hero when the Spurs are up 20?

[SAGirl]

Dijon looking more comfortable out there. Wish he could have been ready this season.
Season is not over... they released Nico counting on him I think.:toast

[NASpurs]

You can bring that up with coach. I am merely stating the obvious. Davis has never played the 3 for Pop.
Kyle struggled tonight and from the fallen tree everyone cuts wood.... but you are the one that keeps making this about Kyle. Davis has always been a big and I have never seen him be anything else.. I know he played something else in Europe but Kyle was a PG in college... doesn't matter what they were. Matters what they play for Pop and I have only seen him be a big.

I could have sworn that Davis played like five minutes with Gasol and Aldridge earlier this year.

[DarrinS]

Nice win, but anyone mocking Kawhi in their avatar needs their man card revoked. You know who you are.

[GSH]

damn, the Warriors are destroying the Raptors 22-4 right now


All you have to do is have a player start the game 0-6 against the Dubs, and that can happen. Good thing we don't have anyone like that. :lol

[$pursDynasty]

Yeah, that may be a little premature.
Too be honest he was comparing him to rookie Westbrook who wasn't the monster he is now

[BillMc]

Victory! :flag:

[Kawhitstorm]

Sean comparing Murray to Westbrook :wow

6'5" Brandon Jennings:

Fz_F2s0vT9I

[SpurPadre]

Murray's a lot taller and lankier than Russ, but he's not nearly as athletic.

No one in basketball is as athletic as Westbrook.

[$pursDynasty]

Exhibit z of the silliness of raw +/-, both :lma and Fathead were +14, but had vastly different games Tonight

[$pursDynasty]

One was 10 for 12 the other 0 for 6

[FkLA]

My nigga...

Stonecutter's creedo, my nig. More times than not our boys come through.

[TimDunkem]

Fathead is so terrible.

[Mnky]

Yeah, that may be a little premature.

They're very similar at the same age. Westbrook is a once a lifetime athlete and competitor, obviously no one is on that level, but if you look at Westbrook and Murray college tape, they're very similar.

I think it has a lot to do with body language too, he seems to just remind me of Westbrook since I first saw his scouting videos.

Westbrook wasn't nearly as explosive consistently as he is now at a younger age as well. Dudes body was still growing and maturing. He's just special to grow and develop for so long athletically tbh.

[Nathan89]

Murray is going to be great if he can learn how to shoot. You can already see his knack at going to the rim.

[GSH]

You can bring that up with coach. I am merely stating the obvious. Davis has never played the 3 for Pop.
Kyle struggled tonight and from the fallen tree everyone cuts wood.... but you are the one that keeps making this about Kyle. Davis has always been a big and I have never seen him be anything else.. I know he played something else in Europe but Kyle was a PG in college... doesn't matter what they were. Matters what they play for Pop and I have only seen him be a big.


I could have sworn that Davis played like five minutes with Gasol and Aldridge earlier this year.


No, I don't think he's played with both Gasol and Aldridge. And Anderson has played the bulk of his minutes, technically, as a 2 this year. And someone SHOULD take it up with Pop.

[SAGirl]

No way the Spurs go after a point guard next offseason if they believe that DM is the future and Parker is still under contract. He's going to get his time next year.
I don't know how else to interpret the Nico Lapro situation. Originally I thought he wanted out to play in Europe like Nando... the tweet about him still being in town and waiting for options changes my frame of mind.

Pop may really just want to develop Dijon and give him all available garbage minutes + rest games... to get him as ready as possible for next season.

I mean, there is even the possibility of Manu retiring and I don't know if they can retain Simmons or if that is even in their plans. They need Dijon to grow up and I would expect him to be fed opportunities.

[Kawhitstorm]

Murray's a lot taller and lankier than Russ, but he's not nearly as athletic.

Not to mention WestBrick is built like a DB while Murray is probably the lightest 6'5" player in the league.:lol

[SAGirl]

No, I don't think he's played with both Gasol and Aldridge. And Anderson has played the bulk of his minutes, technically, as a 2 this year. And someone SHOULD take it up with Pop.
You have a good point with Anderson playing the 2...
Again, I have only seen Davis be a big. He just had 3 fouls in 3 minutes... by the way. And I am not trying to get on you GSH. I want to see Davis... I am not trying to be facetious...

[TimDunkem]

Probably wouldn't have been 0-6 though. Lmao

[NASpurs]

No, I don't think he's played with both Gasol and Aldridge. And Anderson has played the bulk of his minutes, technically, as a 2 this year. And someone SHOULD take it up with Pop.

Yeah I just did a rundown of lineups and Davis has played with Lee and Dedmon on three or so occasions but they seem to be of the trash final-minutes-of-the-game variety.

[SAGirl]

Not to mention WestBrick is built like a DB while Murray is probably the lightest 6'5" player in the league.:lol
He must have meant their playstyles are similar...

[Kawhitstorm]

damn, the Warriors are destroying the Raptors 22-4 right now

The Duds are playing MAD after they blew the Christmas game & you would rather be down 22-4 as opposed to the other way around (unless they have tired legs) since they tend to play sloppy w/ double digit leads while the avalanche is tough to stop when they are locked in trying to cut into a lead.

[GSH]

Too be honest he was comparing him to rookie Westbrook who wasn't the monster he is now


I love Sean as a commentator, and he's earned the right to make any comparison he wants to. But while Murray has looked good in garbage time the last two games, he sure as shit hasn't looked like Westbrook. Even a rookie Westbrook.

You guys do realize that Westbrook started all 82 games as a rookie, played full starter minutes, and averaged something like 15 ppg? He may not have been the beast he is today, but to compare him to Murray doesn't even make sense. I'll give the kid time to develop, but Westbrook came into the league a LOT more developed.

[SAGirl]

Yeah I just did a rundown of lineups and Davis has played with Lee and Dedmon on three or so occasions but they seem to be of the trash final-minutes-of-the-game variety.
probably of the variety when Pop subs guys in and out and for a brief minute or so, there is a strange lineup.

[Mnky]

I love Sean as a commentator, and he's earned the right to make any comparison he wants to. But while Murray has looked good in garbage time the last two games, he sure as shit hasn't looked like Westbrook. Even a rookie Westbrook.

You guys do realize that Westbrook started all 82 games as a rookie, played full starter minutes, and averaged something like 15 ppg? He may not have been the beast he is today, but to compare him to Murray doesn't even make sense. I'll give the kid time to develop, but Westbrook came into the league a LOT more developed.

They're not comparing stats. They're comparing the type of player.

[GSH]

You have a good point with Anderson playing the 2...
Again, I have only seen Davis be a big. He just had 3 fouls in 3 minutes... by the way. And I am not trying to get on you GSH. I want to see Davis... I am not trying to be facetious...


I've said it several times, and I'll say it again. Kyle needs to put on some muscle and play as a 4 that can put the ball on the floor and pass. He's not a 3, and he sure as hell isn't a 2. And I don't understand Pop at all.

Meanwhile, I would LOVE to see Bertans at least get some time as a SF. If he fails, he fails. But there have been opportunities to try it out.

And if people still don't think that he's in Pop's doghouse, then he just needs to be cut, because he's not going to play a role anyway.

[apalisoc_9]

Westbrook has the body of a prime wade but faster, and stronger.

He's one of the most unique athletes to ever play...Murray is athletic, but guy has no strenght.

[GSH]

They're not comparing stats. They're comparing the type of player.


Try really, really hard to listen to what I'm saying. It's too fucking early to compare the type of player Murray is to the type of player Westbrook is (or was). Westbrook was putting in 30+ minutes per game as a rookie. We KNEW what type of player he was by this point in his first season. Murray has mostly looked like a D-League player, except for these couple of good performances in garbage time. He may develop. But what I said was that it's PREMATURE to be comparing him to Westbrook. And it is.

Other than the fact that they both went to UCLA for two years, and maybe the fact that Murray is very athletic, it's just premature to make that comparison. Argue all you want.

[dabom]

Try really, really hard to listen to what I'm saying. It's too fucking early to compare the type of player Murray is to the type of player Westbrook is (or was). Westbrook was putting in 30+ minutes per game as a rookie. We KNEW what type of player he was by this point in his first season. Murray has mostly looked like a D-League player, except for these couple of good performances in garbage time. He may develop. But what I said was that it's PREMATURE to be comparing him to Westbrook. And it is.

Other than the fact that they both went to UCLA for two years, and maybe the fact that Murray is very athletic, it's just premature to make that comparison. Argue all you want.


Come on faggot. Don't double dip. Give us a take. What is his ceiling. :lol

[dabom]

A lot of ya faggots post but never take a side. That's why no one respects ya. :lmao

[$pursDynasty]

Sean Elliott starting fights between ST posters. Timmay is right about him.

[SAGirl]

I've said it several times, and I'll say it again. Kyle needs to put on some muscle and play as a 4 that can put the ball on the floor and pass. He's not a 3, and he sure as hell isn't a 2. And I don't understand Pop at all.

Meanwhile, I would LOVE to see Bertans at least get some time as a SF. If he fails, he fails. But there have been opportunities to try it out.

And if people still don't think that he's in Pop's doghouse, then he just needs to be cut, because he's not going to play a role anyway.
You have good points on both accounts.
I don't know what to tell you other than what I have seen.
I haven't thought is Davis in the doghouse... Pop really sees him as a big and the team's bigs have been great. Kyle is an 11th or 12th guy in the rotation which is a step down from his last season and he hasn't been playing as well as he did last season. Part of that may be that Pop was playing him as a 2 indeed too much. I have thought he could be traded myself.

For Davis, Pop can't take Lamarcus or Lee from the game. I mean even in the dleague they played Bertans as a big and he was that in summer league as well. I just haven't ever seen him be a wing and that is not his path for playing time as far as I have seen.

Anyways, we shall see. With this Nico waiver, Spurs might yet be rummaging either with dleague prospects or might be taking phone calls for a trade.

[$pursDynasty]

Uh oh Raptors within 12 :wow

[GSH]

Come on faggot. Don't double dip. Give us a take. What is his ceiling. :lol


Oh, I think he'll be way better than Jordan - just like you think Kawhi is right now.


Slurp, slurp.

[dabom]

Oh, I think he'll be way better than Jordan - just like you think Kawhi is right now.


Slurp, slurp.

Who said kawhi was better than Jordan, faggot? :lmao

[$pursDynasty]

Raptors down 5

[cutewizard]

Leonard has gastroenteritis?????

A bum stomach, hahahahahahahahaha

[Kawhitstorm]

He must have meant their playstyles are similar...

I would say he's more similar to another big point-guard (Reggie Jackson) who is actually a pretty underrated athlete & has a huge wing-span. Reggie couldn't really shoot & was/is a combo guard who could get into the paint at will b/c of his speed/quickness (he has floaters like Murray). He was a pretty good rebounder in college & was averaging 5 rebs per 36 when he was in OKC before he became a full-blown diva.

Reggie at the same age had an undeveloped body but he filled out just fine & is one of the bigger PG in the league. Murray might have better handles but Reggie has a killer left to right crossover which allows him to blow by defenders.

Murray should easily be a better defender since he isn't a diva like Reggie who doesn't put forth the effort.

[cutewizard]

No one in basketball is as athletic as Westbrook.


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If Westbrook somehow joined the Spurs.......................

The NBA would tremble, literally, hahahahahahahahha

[cutewizard]

Westbrook and Leonard could challenge Jordan and Pippen, hmmmm.....

just my crazy opinion

[SAGirl]

I would say he's more similar to another big point-guard (Reggie Jackson) who is actually a pretty underrated athlete & has a huge wing-span. Reggie couldn't really shoot & was/is a combo guard who could get into the paint at will b/c of his speed/quickness (he has floaters like Murray). He was a pretty good rebounder in college & was averaging 5 rebs per 36 when he was in OKC before he became a full-blown diva.

Reggie at the same age had an undeveloped body but he filled out just fine & is one of the bigger PG in the league. Murray might have better handles but Reggie has a killer left to right crossover which allows him to blow by defenders.

Murray should easily be a better defender since he isn't a diva like Reggie who doesn't put forth the effort.
Good appraisal. :tu

[cutewizard]

How did Murray do today guys??

failed to watch the game

[Chinook]

Like the Jennings comparison better. Dude's going to dominate the summer league next year. Hope the team gets a shooting wing to run with him and Milutinov.

[Mnky]

Try really, really hard to listen to what I'm saying. It's too fucking early to compare the type of player Murray is to the type of player Westbrook is (or was). Westbrook was putting in 30+ minutes per game as a rookie. We KNEW what type of player he was by this point in his first season. Murray has mostly looked like a D-League player, except for these couple of good performances in garbage time. He may develop. But what I said was that it's PREMATURE to be comparing him to Westbrook. And it is.

Other than the fact that they both went to UCLA for two years, and maybe the fact that Murray is very athletic, it's just premature to make that comparison. Argue all you want.

They're not comparing careers or accomplishments. You're just off base in your assessment. Cool you don't think Murray is as "good" as Westbrook at what Westbrook does, that's not what people are saying.

Okafor compares to Duncan, as they're the same type of player. Dedmon compares to David Robinson as that's the same type. Their efficiency or ability to produce is not the discussion.

Westbrook was a athletic, long, quick burst pg who you couldn't keep from the rim.

Murray is an athletic long, quick, burst pg who you can't keep from the rim.

It's not in anyway premature to compare two players who are the same type of player. Accomplishment and pedigree is a different story, but that's not what people are saying, which you clearly are having trouble understanding.

As you admitted, they are both very athletic. That is a comparison. And it is not too early to make that comparison.. :lol

Eat a snickers bro.

[$pursDynasty]

Very good in garbage time, increased the lead in garbage time instead of blowing it. Looks to soak up all those Larpo minutes

[cutewizard]

Very good in garbage time, increased the lead in garbage time instead of blowing it. Looks to soak up all those Larpo minutes


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thanks man

[cutewizard]

Kyle as a starter had zero points.....

hmmmmmmmm

[$pursDynasty]

Wiz looks promising, looking forward to seeing him get more run when there is a rest night for MVParker or Patty.

[Kawhitstorm]

Like the Jennings comparison better. Dude's going to dominate the summer league next year. Hope the team gets a shooting wing to run with him and Milutinov.

Murray would have to work hard on his point guard skills & shooting if he wants to be like Jennings who has always had pretty good floor vision & could stroke it even as rookie. The issue w/ Jennings was that he played on terrible teams & became a gunner. One main difference would also be that Jennings has never been known for his rebounding.

People forget that Jennings broke Kareem's single game rookie scoring record & destroyed Curry as a rookie::lol

rgeuh4FiKoY

[spurs10]

How did Murray do today guys??

failed to watch the game Only played in the last couple minutes, but had a great assist to Dedmon for an alley-oop slam and a nice floater after some nice footwork.

[FkLA]

Murray would have to work hard on his point guard skills & shooting if he wants to be like Jennings who has always had pretty good floor vision & could stroke it even as rookie. The issue w/ Jennings was that he played on terrible teams & became a gunner. One main difference would also be that Jennings has never been known for his rebounding.

People forget that Jennings broke Kareem's single game rookie scoring record & destroyed Curry as a rookie::lol

rgeuh4FiKoY

Actually, he's lived off that game for years. I don't think anyone's forgot it since it's literally the only reason he's remained relevant. That game blinds people into thinking he was ever more than a low percentage chucker.

[spurs10]

Kyle as a starter had zero points.....

hmmmmmmmm Yeah he was 0 for 6 with 3 of the misses on one play under the basket a point blank range. He couldn't buy a bucket, but he had several turn overs to make up for it. Oddly his +/- was +14.

[dabom]

Yeah he was 0 for 6 with 3 of the misses on one play under the basket a point blank range. He couldn't buy a bucket, but he had several turn overs to make up for it. Oddly his +/- was +14.

He tied the lowest plus minus within the starters. :lol

Would the plus/minus be higher if it wasn't for him? Players are evaluated on themselves and not too much on how the team is doing.

[skulls138]

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If Westbrook somehow joined the Spurs.......................

The NBA would tremble, literally, hahahahahahahahhaYes and Pops wouldnt have to rest anybody because theyd never touch the ball again.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't see the Jennings comparison. Jennings is too small and only has value tied to the nights his volume chucking is on. Murray's physical attributes give him a huge edge on the boards and the defensive end that Jennings or Jackson never had.

I think a good comparison is George Hill except he has a much higher ceiling in the play-making department, which gives him a higher ceiling than Hill overall. Murray also has elite foot speed/ lateral quickness that can make him a better defender than Hill too. Hill was a Kawhi type athlete, in that he didn't have great foot speed, lateral quickness, but he had elite length to compensate.

Think his ceiling is somewhere between George Hill and Westbrook, as outlandish as that sounds. He'll never be as great as Westbrook, but I think he has a lot of the same attributes -- just not scaled to the highest degree like RW.

[spurs10]

He tied the lowest plus minus within the starters. :lol

Would the plus/minus be higher if it wasn't for him? Players are evaluated on themselves and not too much on how the team is doing. Yes the +/- would be higher as well as the fg%, especially in the first half.

[vander]

would like to see Phoenix keep those young players together, see how they develop. seems like whenever a team has a promising young 'core' of players, it gets blown up before they reach potential...

[SnakeBoy]

Kyle as a starter had zero points.....

hmmmmmmmm

Disappointing...Kawhi gets the shits and my man Kyle shits the bed.

[Chinook]

would like to see Phoenix keep those young players together, see how they develop. seems like whenever a team has a promising young 'core' of players, it gets blown up before they reach potential...

That's usually because a) most players bust and b) teams have a hard time letting lesser guys go if their contracts come up first. Honestly, only Booker, Chriss and Bender look like they'll be anything, but they'll be paying Warren and Len big bucks in addition to their vets.

[SAGirl]

That's usually because a) most players bust and b) teams have a hard time letting lesser guys go if their contracts come up first. Honestly, only Booker, Chriss and Bender look like they'll be anything, but they'll be paying Warren and Len big bucks in addition to their vets.
Kind of a problem that Portland had in having to pay role players just to avoid getting worse (what woul they replace them with?) ... but as they are not any good right now maybe they evaluate things differently. With Portland they were a playoff team with a star in their prime... But Phoenix in general has mishandled their affairs with players so I wouldn't venture to see how that one goes.

[Spur|n|Austin]

would like to see Phoenix keep those young players together, see how they develop. seems like whenever a team has a promising young 'core' of players, it gets blown up before they reach potential...

I thought the same thing, though not too sure about keeping Watson around.

[Kawhitstorm]

I don't see the Jennings comparison. Jennings is too small and only has value tied to the nights his volume chucking is on. Murray's physical attributes give him a huge edge on the boards and the defensive end that Jennings or Jackson never had.

Considering the Jamal Crawford influence, I feel like Murray would be a gunner if he was ever an above average 3 point shooter as he used to chuck them up in college while being pretty mediocre.:lol

I brought up Jennings b/c he was a slightly built athletic gunner w/ a quick first step that was a blur in the open court. Jennings also has those Seattle handles & cockiness like Crawford. On defense, Jennings is a high motor guy who's very good at getting steals/deflections along w/ having a penchant to pressure ball-handlers which is something that would suit Murray. Jennings is an average rebounder b/c of his size but that's why I said a 6'5" Jennings who I'm pretty sure would have stuck his nose in there if he had the physical attributes.

Under the tutelage of PATFO, he can be groomed to be like the good version of Reggie Jackson on offense who basically attempts 50% of his shots within the restricted area & scores on a variety of floaters. If Reggie wasn't lazy, he could be a very good rebounder & defender w/ his 7 feet wing span as an athletic 6'3" point guard but dude has the same motor as Joe Johnson.:lol

[LittleCriminal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tdrblx4Yspw

[GSH]

I don't see the Jennings comparison. Jennings is too small and only has value tied to the nights his volume chucking is on. Murray's physical attributes give him a huge edge on the boards and the defensive end that Jennings or Jackson never had.

I think a good comparison is George Hill except he has a much higher ceiling in the play-making department, which gives him a higher ceiling than Hill overall. Murray also has elite foot speed/ lateral quickness that can make him a better defender than Hill too. Hill was a Kawhi type athlete, in that he didn't have great foot speed, lateral quickness, but he had elite length to compensate.

Think his ceiling is somewhere between George Hill and Westbrook, as outlandish as that sounds. He'll never be as great as Westbrook, but I think he has a lot of the same attributes -- just not scaled to the highest degree like RW.


Well at least you talk basketball.

Look - Westbrook was about 6'3" and over 190 lbs. coming out of college. Murray was 6'5" and barely over 160 lbs. Westbrook was muscular as hell even then, and Murray is still like a scarecrow. Physically, they are totally different. Westbrook was considered an elite college defender (he kicked the shit out of OJ Mayo and Harden defensively in college), and that reputation continued into the NBA. Murray? Well Murray was definitely not known for defense in college, and he still has a LONG way to go before being comparable even to a rookie Westbrook defensively.

Westbrook was a #4 draft pick, which Presti was questioned about - until the first summer league game. Almost immediately, people began commenting on what a great pickup he was at #4. He had a good pull-up jumper, even then. Murray looked nothing like that in summer league. And he hasn't looked particularly good in most of his NBA minutes. (Go back and check game logs, if you remember it differently.) Murray is athletic, but he's nowhere near as explosive as Westbrook was as a rookie.

Bottom line, the only basis for comparing the two is guessing at who/what Murray might become. I know some fucktard above said that you can compare them just by making a comparison. I guess by that theory, you can compare Murray to Matt Bonner, too. But Sean was talking about them being similar, and so far there just aren't a whole hell of a lot of similarities other than coming out of college early, and being... aggressive, I guess?

[MaNu4Tres]

Well at least you talk basketball.

Look - Westbrook was about 6'3" and over 190 lbs. coming out of college. Murray was 6'5" and barely over 160 lbs. Westbrook was muscular as hell even then, and Murray is still like a scarecrow. Physically, they are totally different. Westbrook was considered an elite college defender (he kicked the shit out of OJ Mayo and Harden defensively in college), and that reputation continued into the NBA. Murray? Well Murray was definitely not known for defense in college, and he still has a LONG way to go before being comparable even to a rookie Westbrook defensively.



I don't think you comprehended what I said to be quite honest.

1. I never compared him to Westbrook.

2. I never said he will have the ceiling of Westbrook, I mentioned he had similar attributes, just not scaled the same ( meaning the ceiling isn't as high). Similar attributes being elite size, length, speed, and quickness ( all vital attributes that make a great defender -- add in work ethic/motor -- which are necessary for the defensive end), great rebounding for his position, effective transition game with the ball, effective PnR game, inconsistency with his shot but its very early and Spurs have the best shooting coach in the NBA. For those who have trouble undestanding this, an example could be comparing Pat Pattersons' strengths to Draymonds strengths. Both have very similar strengths, but Draymonds' talent is scaled to the highest degree for that type of skillset/player.

3. I mentioned his CEILING being BETWEEN Hill and Westbrook. Emphasis on ceiling and between.

4. He has a long ways to go, but he has a much stronger foundation to build off of than Jennings or Jackson at his age IMO. Add in the fact that he has elite work ethic and gets groomed by the best personnel development system in the NBA (or one of the best) and you have a really nice prospect to be excited about.

You have good takes, but sometimes you exaggerate what was said into something that wasn't said.

[GSH]

I don't think you comprehended what I said to be quite honest.

1. I never compared him to Westbrook.

2. I never said he will have the ceiling of Westbrook, I mentioned he had similar attributes, just not scaled the same ( meaning the ceiling isn't as high). Similar attributes being elite size, length, speed, and quickness ( all vital attributes that make a great defender -- add in work ethic/motor -- which are necessary for the defensive end), great rebounding for his position, effective transition game with the ball, effective PnR game, inconsistency with his shot but its very early and Spurs have the best shooting coach in the NBA. For those who have trouble undestanding this, an example could be comparing Pat Pattersons' strengths to Draymonds strengths. Both have very similar strengths, but Draymonds' talent is scaled to the highest degree for that type of skillset/player.

3. I mentioned his CEILING being BETWEEN Hill and Westbrook. Emphasis on ceiling and between.

4. He has a long ways to go, but he has a much stronger foundation to build off of than Jennings or Jackson at his age IMO. Add in the fact that he has elite work ethic and gets groomed by the best personnel development system in the NBA (or one of the best) and you have a really nice prospect to be excited about.

You have good takes, but sometimes you exaggerate what was said into something that wasn't said.


Heh. I wasn't bitching at you - I was giving you credit for talking ball, and having a reasonable expectations for Murray at this point. All the other BS up above just makes me want to pull my hair out. Sorry (and I mean it) for not being clear that I thought you were the only one with something intelligent to say about that whole thing.

Sean was just doing what Sean does during a game. He was paying the kid a compliment, and saying that he thinks there's a bunch of upside for him. Too many people here take a comment like that and run with it. Pretty soon they're discussing how James Anderson is destined for greatness. Or Boban. Or...

[From Downtown]

Like the Jennings comparison better. Dude's going to dominate the summer league next year. Hope the team gets a shooting wing to run with him and Milutinov.

And Hanga, I want him to come over as well

[TampaDude]

No Kawhi, no problem. NEXT!

GO SPURS GO!!!!!

[gambit1990]

tp with 3 assists and 2 turnovers.

[RD2191]

No Kawhi, no problem. NEXT!

GO SPURS GO!!!!!

Well yeah, they played a shit team. :lol

[sasaint]

would like to see Phoenix keep those young players together, see how they develop. seems like whenever a team has a promising young 'core' of players, it gets blown up before they reach potential...

I always thought young 'cores' of players were "blown up" for the simple reason that a coaching staff can devote sufficient attention to one or two young prospects to fully develop him (them). Any more than that and the coaching staff just doesn't have the time to give them the focused, individual attention to develop them to their fullest. After a couple of years, the coaches have evaluated the prospects sufficiently to know which ones they want to concentrate on.

[TampaDude]

Well yeah, they played a shit team. :lol

And blew them out just like they were supposed to.