This team without Kawhi

[Spurs_619]

i think they would fall somewhere in the 10-11 range in the west. Getting dicked by phx at home :lol

[lilbthebasedgod]

Any team without their by-far-best player would be bad.

[YGWHI]

Don't panic.

Obviously the Spurs aren't good without Kawhi but they're still decent enough to beat the worst team in the West.

Anyway, I'm more worried about the next games if Kawhi needs IV treatment like he got during his gastroenteritis in Philly. After 48hs on a liquid diet, he looked like shit in the game against Raptors.

[Astray]

They would still make the playoffs if they replaced Kiwi with a decent SF. Fathead shouldn't even be in the NBA.

[YGWHI]

They would still make the playoffs if they replaced Kiwi with a decent SF.

They're glad to be able to beat the Suns without him...But making playoffs? Stop trolling :lmao

[Spurs_619]

I don't know besides the rockets take the best player off of GS, LAC, CLE, TOR, maybe even MEM they are all still playoff teams.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I don't know besides the rockets take the best player off of GS, LAC, CLE, TOR, maybe even MEM they are all still playoff teams.

The "best" player on ALL of those teams you listed are highly subjective.

[Astray]

I don't know besides the rockets take the best player off of GS, LAC, CLE, TOR, maybe even MEM they are all still playoff teams.

CLE is trash without LeBron. LAC lost to Dallas and is currently losing to the Pelicans without Blake.

[LakerHater]

...is supposed to be statistically better..... so they said.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

This team is doing pretty good without Kawhi.

[Chinook]

They seem perfectly fine, to be honest. Pop has to be surprised that other guys can score when they move up a slot in the pecking order. It's as if the team doesn't have to force feed Kawhisos to get their points.

[YGWHI]

Against the Suns...After the horrible 1st half and improved in the 2nd.

But every team would look bad again elite competition without the best player if he's that good like Kawhi.

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50-40-90 shooting and top 5 on PER in December

:claw

[AFMadison]

i think they would fall somewhere in the 10-11 range in the west. Getting dicked by phx at home :lol
:lol
Remember this is the NBA not the NCAA. 4 quarters not 2 halves fam.

[midnightpulp]

Suns are basically a D-League team. Can't draw anything from this game. I'll take the W, and hope Tony found a hidden gear (doubtful).

[Chinook]

Held their opponent to their defensive average and scored a sh'ton more.

Real-talk, the team isn't as good on either end without Kawhi. Their ceiling isn't as high for sure. However, it's a damned talented roster who can play with most teams if they bring the effort. They did so in the second half. Pop's job is to get them to do that while also having Kawhi come in and be the star. This shouldn't be an either/or thing.

[Ice009]

Held their opponent to their defensive average and scored a sh'ton more.

Real-talk, the team isn't as good on either end without Kawhi. Their ceiling isn't as high for sure. However, it's a damned talented roster who can play with most teams if they bring the effort. They did so in the second half. Pop's job is to get them to do that while also having Kawhi come in and be the star. This shouldn't be an either/or thing.

Pretty good point you raised there. They just need consistent effort from everyone when Kawhi is there.

[dabom]

Suns are basically a D-League team. Can't draw anything from this game. I'll take the W, and hope Tony found a hidden gear (doubtful).

[gospursgojas]

Any team without their by-far-best player would be bad.

[TheGreatYacht]

Hope Kawhi stays healthy. I can't stand watching vending machine head play another minute

[Benoit]

lmao this forum is full of homers

theres a thread comparing this overrated player to MICHAEL JORDAN lmfao

His team just won by 20 without him, hes nothing without Pop

[bic50]

Garbage ass troll ^^^

[GSH]

They seem perfectly fine, to be honest. Pop has to be surprised that other guys can score when they move up a slot in the pecking order. It's as if the team doesn't have to force feed Kawhisos to get their points.


I don't know about being "perfectly fine". But I agree with the rest. Especially about not needing to force feed Kawhisos.

[spurraider21]

lmao this forum is full of homers

theres a thread comparing this overrated player to MICHAEL JORDAN lmfao

His team just won by 20 without him, hes nothing without Pop
this forum also has a sad laker fan who has to pretend to be a warriors fan to have a good time :lol

[r0drig0lac]

I don't know about being "perfectly fine". But I agree with the rest. Especially about not needing to force feed Kawhisos.

[Chinook]

Pretty good point you raised there. They just need consistent effort from everyone when Kawhi is there.

It's more than that. Defensively, the issue with Gasol/LMA is about 80 percent effort. There are some plays that they, Pau especially, are too slow to make. But most of the time, they just don't seem committed to being there. In the second half last night, they decided to buy in, and they pretty much locked Phoenix down. That doesn't need to happen every night. But in the playoffs, it's a must, in addition to the guards having active hands digging out passes to bigs like Green did.

But offensively, it's clear that the narrative of the Spurs running Kawhiso offense because no one else can score is wrong-headed. Kawhi's the best scorer on the team, but other guys can step up if given the opportunity. In that case, it's not about people trying hard when Kawhi's in. It's about Pop making room for more than just one guy to shine. Dude still didn't actually run plays or actions for anyone but LMA, with Parker free-lancing his way to more points.

[ECOV]

lmao this forum is full of homers

theres a thread comparing this overrated player to MICHAEL JORDAN lmfao

His team just won by 20 without him, hes nothing without Pop
Same when people said Curry was the best point guard ever, but to me he was an overrated chucker and its starting to show, imo

[TampaDude]

lmao this forum is full of homers

theres a thread comparing this overrated player to MICHAEL JORDAN lmfao

His team just won by 20 without him, hes nothing without Pop

GTFOH, faggot. Your Shlubs team is gonna get worked again in 2017...no ring for you...

[Spurs_619]

bump

[YGWHI]

And again...Don't panic.

Spurs should get this one, just need to make a true effort...For some reason the Blazers are the worst defense in the West.

But better pray for Kawhi's recovery next week or the game against Raptors will be so ugly.

[RD2191]

:wakeup

[Chinook]

People keeping trying to push this without waiting to see where the game is going to go. Spurs got shellacked by Orlando and Utah with Kawhi. It happens.

[YGWHI]

Utah and Wizards are playoffs teams. On the other hand, Suns are the worst team in the West and Blazers have the worst defense in the league.

For the record, Kawhi in the home game they lost to the Jazz...30 points .55 FG% .75%3P 100 FT%

But Hill was feasting on Parker most game.

That game reminds me of the first game vs OKC last season, Kawhi was the best player on the floor but the Thunder won the game attacking Parker with Waiters in the 4th.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs winning without Kawhi isn't an indictment on him, tbh..there are hundreds of examples of teams having winning stretches without their star..

The Spurs still have a coaching, system and continuity advantage against most teams in the NBA..even without Kawhi, they shouldn't be expected to lose against lotto teams at home..

[TheGreatYacht]

Player fan bump backfire :lol

[Spurs_619]

I wish this team would trade kawhi tbh one of the most ungrateful fan bases...

[james evans]

Utah and Wizards are playoffs teams. On the other hand, Suns are the worst team in the West and Blazers have the worst defense in the league.

For the record, Kawhi in the home game they lost to the Jazz...30 points .55 FG% .75%3P 100 FT%

But Hill was feasting on Parker most game.

That game reminds me of the first game vs OKC last season, Kawhi was the best player on the floor but the Thunder won the game attacking Parker with Waiters in the 4th.

Exactly. haha parker has a couple throwback games against garbage teams and mfs think the offense should be ran thru him. Just wait until we play Okc and Cleveland haha

[gambit1990]

tony averaging 4 assists the past two games while taking more shots than anyone else on the roster :lol

-shot 4 more times than lma when he was shooting 10 of 12 against phoenix
-lma only had 3 shot attempts against portland, way to get him involved tony

start patty already, he plays much more team oriented basketball.

[DPG21920]

tony averaging 4 assists the past two games while taking more shots than anyone else on the roster :lol

-shot 4 more times than lma when he was shooting 10 of 12 against phoenix
-lma only had 3 shot attempts against portland, way to get him involved tony

start patty already, he plays much more team oriented basketball.

You're still bad at this in the new year. Sucks.

[bklynspursfan]

Exactly. haha parker has a couple throwback games against garbage teams and mfs think the offense should be ran thru him. Just wait until we play Okc and Cleveland haha

I haven't seen 1 person think the offense should be run through him.... that's actually funny

[gambit1990]

You're still bad at this in the new year. Sucks.
glosses over my basketball take, counters none of it :lol fucking loser.

[DPG21920]

Exactly. haha parker has a couple throwback games against garbage teams and mfs think the offense should be ran thru him. Just wait until we play Okc and Cleveland haha

Quite literally no one has said that. Literally. As in not figuratively, but literally.

[james evans]

I haven't seen 1 person think the offense should be run through him.... that's actually funny


Quite literally no one has said that. Literally. As in not figuratively, but literally.
I know 2 posters that feel this way and a couple others, but they won't publicly say it. I say we trade him while he's having this good run because when the playoffs get here, his hero ball is gonna get us fucked up for a 3rd straight year

[bklynspursfan]

I know 2 posters that feel this way and a couple others, but they won't publicly say it. I say we trade him while he's having this good run because when the playoffs get here, his hero ball is gonna get us fucked up for a 3rd straight year

He isn't getting traded. And he plays within the flow of the game. Lately, he's been damn good at attacking the paint and creating looks for others. If we get this Parker in the playoffs, consider it a great thing. Kawhi/LMA will need to get theirs obviously. But it helps to have someone who can get in the paint and finish from the perimeter.

[gambit1990]

And he plays within the flow of the game. Lately, he's been damn good at attacking the paint and creating looks for others. If we get this Parker in the playoffs, consider it a great thing.
:lmao

[bklynspursfan]

:lmao

There are actual stats and facts to back that statement up. But, trolls gonna troll. Do your thing homey

[Kawhitstorm]

People keeping trying to push this without waiting to see where the game is going to go. Spurs got shellacked by Orlando and Utah with Kawhi. It happens.

Bruh, show me in the postseason. The regular season is a mirage.:sleep

There is the "Cripples are better w/ Blake" narrative but they didn't win any games against the Grizz in 2013 after they were up 2-1 before Blake got injured & they had beaten them 4-2 the previous season. Meanwhile, they didn't look any worse w/o Choke-P against the Rockets.

[gambit1990]

There are actual stats and facts to back that statement up. But, trolls gonna troll. Do your thing homey
how many assists is he averaging? 4.2?

[DPG21920]

how many assists is he averaging? 4.2?

More than Mills with the same amount of TOs.

[gambit1990]

More than Mills with the same amount of TOs.
mills averaged 5.8 in the games he started.

[DPG21920]

mills averaged 5.8 in the games he started.

But that's a tiny sample. They play nearly the same minutes and TP averages more assist with the same amount of TO's. So shut it.

[bklynspursfan]

how many assists is he averaging? 4.2?

So you think only apg are the way to determine looking for others? So if he gets a guy an open look and he misses that shot, then what? Still backs up what I said, no? Or how about hockey assists? The pass leading to an open look. Are you familiar with that?

But sure, apg tho

[DPG21920]

So you think only apg are the way to determine looking for others? So if he gets a guy an open look and he misses that shot, then what? Still backs up what I said, no? Or how about hockey assists? The pass leading to an open look. Are you familiar with that?

But sure, apg tho

He's an idiot. Truly one of the most emo worst posters on here. As soon as you ask him about how Mills does running an offense or defending starting caliber PG's he vanishes because he doesn't understand the game out side of simple box score scanning. And even then he struggles as I noted to him above :lol

[gambit1990]

But that's a tiny sample. They play nearly the same minutes and TP averages more assist with the same amount of TO's. So shut it.
"so shut it" :madrun:cry

take their contracts into consideration.

[gambit1990]

So you think only apg are the way to determine looking for others? So if he gets a guy an open look and he misses that shot, then what? Still backs up what I said, no? Or how about hockey assists? The pass leading to an open look. Are you familiar with that?

But sure, apg tho
cite those stats and facts then.

[DPG21920]

"so shut it" :madrun:cry

take their contracts into consideration.

:lmao Take their contracts into consideration. Trim your bangs.

[gambit1990]

:lmao Take their contracts into consideration. Trim your bangs.
so you're fine with parker getting a raise next year. got it.

[Hoops Czar]

so you're fine with parker getting a raise next year. got it.

He's under contract next year.

[DPG21920]

He's under contract next year.

:lol

[gambit1990]

He's under contract next year.
i know. he'll make more than he will this year.

[bklynspursfan]

cite those stats and facts then.

Have your way with these sortable passing stats

http://stats.nba.com/players/passing/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1

[bklynspursfan]

He's an idiot. Truly one of the most emo worst posters on here. As soon as you ask him about how Mills does running an offense or defending starting caliber PG's he vanishes because he doesn't understand the game out side of simple box score scanning. And even then he struggles as I noted to him above :lol

Agreed. Lots of either box score fans on here + haters who will just hate regardless. Like tonight with TP playing well, people will still complain about him cause of his FGA or w/e without watching the game and assuming he's playing "hero ball". Just some terrible takes overall tbh

[gambit1990]

Have your way with these sortable passing stats

http://stats.nba.com/players/passing/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=PASSES_MADE&dir=1
it's not my job to look them up. you said they exist, so if you already know "stats" and "facts" that prove what you were saying, then type them out.

[DPG21920]

it's not my job to look them up. you said they exist, so if you already know "stats" and "facts" that prove what you were saying, then type them out.

What.The.F*ck?

You are seriously annoying. But you are welcome here.

[gambit1990]

no shit parker would be averaging the most passes, he's the starting pg :lmao

[gambit1990]

i bet every starting PG averages the most passes on their team :lol

[bklynspursfan]

it's not my job to look them up. you said they exist, so if you already know "stats" and "facts" that prove what you were saying, then type them out.

I did the research/filtering for you. Your job is to click the category to sort. Sorry if that's too much for you 0_o

I'm on my phone. Other wise I'd lay it out I guess more clearly (?) For you

[gambit1990]

I did the research/filtering for you. Your job is to click the category to sort. Sorry if that's too much for you 0_o

I'm on my phone. Other wise I'd lay it out I guess more clearly (?) For you
that was my bad, i was on my phone too. i just didn't scroll down until after i posted that comment :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Kawhobe was the only starter with a negative (+/-) and also built a house shooting 3/12......

MVParker - 22pts, 3reb, 6ast, 10/18fg
LMAlpha - 27pts, 13reb, 2ast, 3blk, 13/17fg
MVPau - 18pts, 9reb, 2ast, 1blk, 6/10fg

[gambit1990]

-shot 4 more times than lma when he was shooting 10 of 12 against phoenix
-lma only had 3 shot attempts against portland, way to get him involved tony
tony should not be taking more shots than lma. third game in a row. lma was shooting 12 of 17 tonight too.

[dabom]

We've seen this team without Kawhi. Not making the playoffs. I remember the 2014-2015 season quite well.