Im an atheist now

[Avante]

Even today, the Supreme Court opens each session with the verbal declaration
, “God save the United States of America.” We are a JudeoChristian nation ...

[clambake]

do other child rapists share your anger?

[Blake]

Look at all that total stupidity, back to back to back, hahaha~~~~

Yes everyone else is stupid

[spurraider21]

What is Obama placing his hand on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWJJLvDwtWU

Odd is a grown man...chirp chirp...hahahaha~~~~ Why you play that, that's odd.
That's fine. Obama publicly identifies as a Christian (though some conservatives will claim under the cover is actually the quran).

We've has a congressman swear in on the quran (Keith Ellison). Does that mean were a Muslim country? Of course not.

Article 6 of the Constitution says no federal elected official ever has to be subject to a religious test.

[Avante]

That's fine. Obama publicly identifies as a Christian (though some conservatives will claim under the cover is actually the quran).

We've has a congressman swear in on the quran (Keith Ellison). Does that mean were a Muslim country? Of course not.

Article 6 of the Constitution says no federal elected official ever has to be subject to a religious test.

You do know Obama is just one of most the presidents to place his hand on the Bible, right?

What about this....

Even today, the Supreme Court opens each session with the verbal declaration
, “God save the United States of America.” We are a JudeoChristian nation ...

How far do you live from some church?

Why fight it guy?

I;m dead serious when I say those I know who have no God in their life are mostly jerks. While those I know who do have some God are far better off and cooler.

Look at you...chirp chirp.....:rolleyes

[spurraider21]

You do know Obama is just one of most the presidents to place his hand on the Bible, right?

What about this....

Even today, the Supreme Court opens each session with the verbal declaration
, “God save the United States of America.” We are a JudeoChristian nation ...

How far do you live from some church?

Why fight it guy?
Obama is free to be a Christian and put his hand on the Bible

The Supreme Court justices are free to be Christian and decide their own procedure

But the first amendment takes away government power to impose religion onto the PEOPLE. America has a lot of Christians. But it legally is not a Christian country. The Constitution says as much

Why are you not ok with me having a different view than you? Why are you not ok with the first amendment and article 6 of the Constitution?

[Avante]

Yes everyone else is stupid


Start a thread stupid and see how ya get treated, ok asshole?

Come on ya little shit, start a thread not talking Avante and watch how ya get treated, ok punk?

[Avante]

Obama is free to be a Christian and put his hand on the Bible

The Supreme Court justices are free to be Christian and decide their own procedure

But the first amendment takes away government power to impose religion onto the PEOPLE. America has a lot of Christians. But it legally is not a Christian country. The Constitution says as much

Don't ignore.....

Even today, the Supreme Court opens each session with the verbal declaration
, “God save the United States of America.” We are a JudeoChristian nation ...Well?

[Blake]

How far do you live from a mosque, fatty?

Why fight it

[Blake]

Don't ignore.....

Even today, the Supreme Court opens each session with the verbal declaration
, “God save the United States of America.” We are a JudeoChristian nation ...Well?

It shouldn't be used but it is because the overwhelming majority of lawmakers identify as Christians

You're incredibly retarded

[spurraider21]

Don't ignore.....

Even today, the Supreme Court opens each session with the verbal declaration
, “God save the United States of America.” We are a JudeoChristian nation ...Well?


I didn't ignore it. I said this

Obama is free to be a Christian and put his hand on the Bible

The Supreme Court justices are free to be Christian and decide their own procedure

But the first amendment takes away government power to impose religion onto the PEOPLE. America has a lot of Christians. But it legally is not a Christian country. The Constitution says as much

Why are you not ok with me having a different view than you? Why are you not ok with the first amendment and article 6 of the Constitution?
The "we are a Judeo Christian nation" part is the opinion of whoever the author is, even though he is wrong according to the Constitution

[Avante]

I didn't ignore it. I said this

The "we are a Judeo Christian nation" part is the opinion of whoever the author is, even though he is wrong according to the Constitution

So how come nobody cares what the constitution says?

[Blake]

So how come nobody cares what the constitution says?

Not enough people care to make the proper changes.

Retarded cricket

[spurraider21]

So how come nobody cares what the constitution says?
I disagree that "nobody cares"

The Constitution is the most powerful legal document in the history of the planet. It is what it is. It says what it says. People who disagree with it either gotta deal with it, or move elsewhere

[Avante]

I disagree that "nobody cares"

The Constitution is the most powerful legal document in the history of the planet. It is what it is. It says what it says. People who disagree with it either gotta deal with it, or move elsewhere

Did we not just hear Donald Trump say....I swear to God..........with his hand on a Bible?

It's real obvious this country is all about....IN GOD WE TRUST...ONE NATION UNDER GOD...I SWEAR TO GO....SO HELP ME GOD....anyone not seeing that is blind.

I know of nobody who would want to be like you. That...bah humbug...you got going, sucks~~~~

[spurraider21]

Did we not just hear Donald Trump say....I swear to God..........with his hand on a Bible?
yes, donald trump is a christian. he has a right to be a christian. i never denied this.


It's real obvious this country is all about....IN GOD WE TRUST...ONE NATION UNDER GOD...
like i said, in god we trust, one nation under god... is relatively new. they added those in the 1950's.


I SWEAR TO GO....SO HELP ME GOD....anyone not seeing that is blind.
the people who say that are christian. and they're allowed to be christian. i never denied this


I know of nobody who would want to be like you. That...bah humbug...you got going, sucks~~~~
and i know a lot of other atheists. so what? why do you care so much about what i believe? i say let every person believe what they want, but the government is bound by the constitution.

[Avante]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-1MJbFkOs

Now what would have happened if he'd taken your approach? He refuses to place his hand on the Bible and refuses to say....I swear to God....well?

[spurraider21]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE-1MJbFkOs

Now what would have happened if he'd taken your approach? He refuses to place his hand on the Bible and refuses to say....I swear to God....well?not much, except you'd probably be upset. we've had a congressman swear in on a quran before. did the world end? nope.

here's the only requirement. modern presidents have added "so help me god" but it's not a requirement

https://i.gyazo.com/b2d3ec388d8f95df0f1ac006bab27c9e.png

[Avante]

yes, donald trump is a christian. he has a right to be a christian. i never denied this.


like i said, in god we trust, one nation under god... is relatively new. they added those in the 1950's.


the people who say that are christian. and they're allowed to be christian. i never denied this


and i know a lot of other atheists. so what? why do you care so much about what i believe? i say let every person believe what they want, but the government is bound by the constitution.

It sure looks like the government has to have someoner who believes in a God to rule this country, you do see that, right? That....I SWEAR TO GOD....wasn't put in just for Trump.

Why did we have IN GOD WE TRUST, ONE NATION UNDER GOD...added to anything?

And you know know the stink that came up because there was no mention of God in the constitution, right?

[Avante]

not much, except you'd probably be upset. we've had a congressman swear in on a quran before. did the world end? nope.

here's the only requirement. modern presidents have added "so help me god" but it's not a requirement

https://i.gyazo.com/b2d3ec388d8f95df0f1ac006bab27c9e.png

Not much?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????

Dude, do you have idea at all about how big a problem that would have caused if Trump had refused to place his hand on the Bible?

You live in a country that believes in and wants a God, ok?

What if Trump had said....I need a quran to place my hand on....well?

You said ya know other atheists, well with less than 5% of Americans being lost, you dont know too many.

[spurraider21]

It sure looks like the government has to have someoner who believes in a God to rule this country, you do see that, right? That....I SWEAR TO GOD....wasn't put in just for Trump.
i never said a christian shouldn't be president. but as president, they can't force christianity onto the people. big difference.


Why did we have IN GOD WE TRUST, ONE NATION UNDER GOD...added to anything?
we had religious folks in government who wanted to put their stamp on currency. when challenged, the court said this: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."

And you know know the stink that came up because there was no mention of God in the constitution, right?
nope

[spurraider21]

Not much?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????

Dude, do you have idea at all about how big a problem that would have caused if Trump had refused to place his hand on the Bible?

You live in a country that believes in and wants a God, ok?

What if Trump had said....I need a quran to place my hand on....well?

You said ya know other atheists, well with less than 5% of Americans being lost, you dont know too many.that's exactly what happened with keith ellison when he was sworn into congress. here's him resting his hand on a quran


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTpWW54VJDI

[Avante]

i never said a christian shouldn't be president. but as president, they can't force christianity onto the people. big difference.


we had religious folks in government who wanted to put their stamp on currency. when challenged, the court said this: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise."

nope

With 89% of Americans believing in God, I doubt any president has to force religion on anyone.

And you know nothing about what happened after the constitution was written up with no mention of God? Really?

[Avante]

that's exactly what happened with keith ellison when he was sworn into congress. here's him resting his hand on a quran


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTpWW54VJDI

Dude, I'm talking the President of the United States here, ok? Do you honestly believe that would have worked today, well?

[spurraider21]

With 89% of Americans believing in God, I doubt any president has to force religion on anyone.

And you know nothing about what happened after the constitution was written up with no mention of God? Really?
the original colonists included christians who were escaping england to avoid persecution from other kinds of christians. this is exactly why they put the first amendment in the constitution.


Dude, I'm talking the President of the United States here, ok? Do you honestly believe that would have worked today, well?if a muslim got elected, i dont think it would come as a surprise to those same people that elected him

[spurtech09]

Donald Trump is a Jesuit.....Do not be deceived......Bill Clinton/Hilary and Trump are friends....you can add Bush to the mix......Can't trust Obama,Hilary, or Trump....Bunch of Freemason's (puppet's)......

Wake up Sheeple....Their on the same team....

[Avante]

the original colonists included christians who were escaping england to avoid persecution from other kinds of christians. this is exactly why they put the first amendment in the constitution.

if a muslim got elected, i dont think it would come as a surprise to those same people that elected him

Stop telling me what is common knowledge, ok?

A lot of Americans were upset that God had no place n the constitution, this is news to you?

No way in hell Trump is the president rigt now if he'd refused to place his hand on the Bible, say....I swear to God. No way in hell, placing his hand on a Quran and...I swear to Allah.....would work, even you know this I hope.

[spurraider21]

Stop telling me what is common knowledge, ok?

A lot of Americans were upset that God had no place n the constitution, this is news to you?

No way in hell Trump is the president rigt now if he'd refused to place his hand on the Bible, say....I swear to God. No way in hell, placing his hand on a Quran and...I swear to Allah.....would work, even you know this I hope.i dont get why you're so intolerant of other peoples views in a country who's constitution demands it. perhaps you'd enjoy living in vatican city... talk to your congressman and see if he can work on repealing the first amendment

[Avante]

Donald Trump is a Jesuit.....Do not be deceived......Bill Clinton/Hilary and Trump are friends....you can add Bush to the mix......Can't trust Obama,Hilary, or Trump....Bunch of Freemason's (puppet's)......

Wake up Sheeple....Their on the same team....

The first President I remember was Eisenhower, and I as far as I can tell my life has been what I made it regardless of who was in the White House, so I don;t worry about it.

[Avante]

i dont get why you're so intolerant of other peoples views in a country who's constitution demands it. perhaps you'd enjoy living in vatican city... talk to your congressman and see if he can work on repealing the first amendment

That coming from a guy who...chirp chirp....hahahaha~~~~ If that isn't being intolerable of others views, what is?

[spurraider21]

That coming from a guy who...chirp chirp....hahahaha~~~~ If that isn't being intolerable of others views, what is?I'm not intolerable of your views. I'm intolerable of your behavior and attitude. I respect your right to believe in a god, pray with the bible, or do whatever you want.

I just wish you could tolerate my view of not believing in god... its amazing that you put more weight in a few words written on a dollar bill than you do for the first amendment on the constitution :lol..

anyway, i'm heading out for the night. continue this another time, i guess

[Avante]

How important is God in this country? Watch what would happen if an atheist tried to run for President.

President wannade.....we as a people need to stop worshipping some imaginary being , ok?

How would that fly?

[DMC]

The release of classified documents by Snowden showed a few things. It showed that the federal government wants to know every single aspect of every life it can monitor, to use advanced metrics and tracking to predict behavior and forecast resource needs based on that. What the federal government is doing is nothing new. Society has long lived under the guise of an overbearing protector who knows all, sees all and judges even our thoughts. We've not only lived under that principle, but we've insisted on doing so. The fear of not having that all seeing eye, that society might in reality, have no corporeal punishment for immoral and illegal acts if not caught by humans, supercedes the need for privacy and "freedom". You see it in calls for more monitoring, more data collection, more social networking websites and even your TV wants your personal information and your viewing tendencies.

Even atheists cannot escape this. We don't have a god, but we insist on an overlord because we are either too lazy or too fearful to accept real freedom.

That's the reality though, and has little to do with the make believe adults partake in when they talk about gods and supernatural shit.

[spurraider21]

How important is God in this country? Watch what would happen if an atheist tried to run for President.

President wannade.....we as a people need to stop worshipping some imaginary being , ok?

How would that fly?If a president told people to stop worshipping, I'd be right there with you arguing that what he's doing is wrong. A president telling people to stop worshipping also violates the first amendment of the constitution. It's not like Obama, as President, told people to pray and told people they should be worshipping jesus. It would have made no difference if he was publicly an atheist.

Tolerance works both ways. an atheist politician shouldn't force or encourage people to be atheist anymore than a christian politician should force or encourage people to be christian. religion is a personal choice, and the first amendment doesn't allow the government to impose any one way or the other

[Avante]

If a president told people to stop worshipping, I'd be right there with you arguing that what he's doing is wrong. A president telling people to stop worshipping also violates the first amendment of the constitution. It's not like Obama, as President, told people to pray and told people they should be worshipping jesus. It would have made no difference if he was publicly an atheist.

Tolerance works both ways. an atheist politician shouldn't force or encourage people to be atheist anymore than a christian politician should force or encourage people to be christian. religion is a personal choice, and the first amendment doesn't allow the government to impose any one way or the other

Ya turn on Trump being swore in, we see him with his hand on the Bible. We hear....so help me God. We all know about...In God We Trust....One Nation Under God. Most of us celebrate Christmas and Easter for what they really are about. We can't drive very far without seeing some church. Most of us have listened to grace (some time)before the meal. Been to a funeral, where God is mentioned. Took a knee to pray for a fallen teamate or before the game.

That is the world we live in, to take a...bah humbug....approach because of some silly..."I can't see Him"....are you kidding me?

There is a reason this country will never have an atheist for our President, they lack faith in anything and are narrow minded.

[spurtech09]

The release of classified documents by Snowden showed a few things. It showed that the federal government wants to know every single aspect of every life it can monitor, to use advanced metrics and tracking to predict behavior and forecast resource needs based on that. What the federal government is doing is nothing new. Society has long lived under the guise of an overbearing protector who knows all, sees all and judges even our thoughts. We've not only lived under that principle, but we've insisted on doing so. The fear of not having that all seeing eye, that society might in reality, have no corporeal punishment for immoral and illegal acts if not caught by humans, supercedes the need for privacy and "freedom". You see it in calls for more monitoring, more data collection, more social networking websites and even your TV wants your personal information and your viewing tendencies.

Even atheists cannot escape this. We don't have a god, but we insist on an overlord because we are either too lazy or too fearful to accept real freedom.

That's the reality though, and has little to do with the make believe adults partake in when they talk about gods and supernatural shit.This

[phyzik]

Ya turn on Trump being swore in, we see him with his hand on the Bible. We hear....so help me God. We all know about...In God We Trust....One Nation Under God. Most of us celebrate Christmas and Easter for what they really are about. We can't drive very far without seeing some church. Most of us have listened to grace (some time)before the meal. Been to a funeral, where God is mentioned. Took a knee to pray for a fallen teamate or before the game.

That is the world we live in, to take a...bah humbug....approach because of some silly..."I can't see Him"....are you kidding me?

There is a reason this country will never have an atheist for our President, they lack faith in anything and are narrow minded.

Meanwhile, fuck women's rights! It's their fault they got raped, they MUST have that child! While we are at it, fuck all the little Mexican fuckers who were born here! Send them back!

The reason we wont have an atheist president anytime soon is because everyone else is narrow minded. Faith is not exclusive to religious people btw, I have faith in science and the evidence it provides. So fuck off with your delusional monopoly on "faith".

The only difference is, my "faith" is backed by evidence. You cannot make the same claim.

[Ghazi]

There is no God.

[Avante]

Meanwhile, fuck women's rights! It's their fault they got raped, they MUST have that child! While we are at it, fuck all the little Mexican fuckers who were born here! Send them back!

The reason we wont have an atheist president anytime soon is because everyone else is narrow minded. Faith is not exclusive to religious people btw, I have faith in science and the evidence it provides. So fuck off with your delusional monopoly on "faith".

The only difference is, my "faith" is backed by evidence. You cannot make the same claim.

Ever notice MOST people don't want to be like you. We will NEVER have some stupid atheist as our President because we want a leader who is like MOST people. Did science have any evidence back in 1768 about the cell phone?

Stick your stipid...bah humbug...up your ass, got it?

[Avante]

There is no God.

How many billions disagree with you?

[spurraider21]

avante why are you so intolerant of other people's beliefs?

[Blake]

How many billions disagree with you?

~1.6 billion Muslims.

That you disagree with

[Ghazi]

How many billions disagree with you?

Theyre idiots, plain and simple. The Bible and Quran are ridiculous documents

[Avante]

Theyre idiots, plain and simple. The Bible and Quran are ridiculous documents

Who said anything about the Bible/Quran? I'm talking about that NEED to have a Superior Being.

Some years ago they found a lost tribe of people living on one of those Phillipine islands. Civilization had never found them. They were living like they had always been living. They had a God..............why?

[spurraider21]

Who said anything about the Bible/Quran? I'm talking about that NEED to have a Superior Being.

Some years ago they found a lost tribe of people living on one of those Phillipine islands. Civilization had never found them. They were living like they had always been living. They had a God..............why?ok, and i don't have a god..... why?

[Avante]

ok, and i don't have a god..... why?

Aren't you one of those..chirp chirp..at a grown man? What exactly was that suppose to accomplish? So it's pretty easy to see you're stupid. So my answer would be you're too stupid to get it.

[Blake]

The Veddahs of Ceylon have no religion, no need for god (s)

http://vedda.org/primitive.htm

We all know who the ignorant stupid fat fuck is here.

The primitive fat fuck will now hunt for a YouTube and mutters something about football to prove he's smart.

Let's watch.

[Avante]

There;s Donald Trump placing his hand on a Bble, he says......I swear to God.

That is the country we live in, a country where a known atheist could never be our president. Nobody wants that kind of person n charge.

I pity those so simple they can't figure there are things simply far beyond our human limitations. Look at all the things we have today they didn't have 1000 years years ago. Yep, they didn't exist.

Tell someone 1000 years ago about the cell phone, tv, radio, X-ray, microwave.

[Blake]

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[Avante]

Imagine how sad it would be to spend all your time here following Avante around only yo tell him you are ignoring him, hahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Think about just how damn stupid someone would have to be to play that stupidity.

[Blake]

This message is hidden because Avante is on your ignore list.

[Avante]

I started thinking about all that I'd gain by being an atheist, Listing what I'd gain I came up with this list......

[spurraider21]

I started thinking about all that I'd gain by being an atheist, Listing what I'd gain I came up with this list......that's like saying "what do i gain from learning that 74+74=148? what do i gain from learning that birds lay eggs instead of giving birth? what do i gain from learning that humans have 23 chromosome pairs instead of 24 like other primates?"

whether or not you "gain" anything from it has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of something

atheism is a conclusion you can come to from observation, not a conscious decision you make

[140]

Ok, I'll tell you about the bible - there's no pictures in it. How can you buzz off a book with no pictures in it? You've got to have one picture floating about. If there ain't no pictures in a book, you can fuck right off!

I want to see Jesus getting off his tits and smashing the stalls up. I want to see Jesus walking on wine or whatever, walking across water going, 'waaahhyy, I'm a geezer.' But there's no pictures to prove it. So fuck right off. There's no pictures to prove that Jesus turned water into wine, I know he did and I know he's a geezer, but a book without pictures is a shit book.

[clambake]

Ok, I'll tell you about the bible - there's no pictures in it. How can you buzz off a book with no pictures in it? You've got to have one picture floating about. If there ain't no pictures in a book, you can fuck right off!

I want to see Jesus getting off his tits and smashing the stalls up. I want to see Jesus walking on wine or whatever, walking across water going, 'waaahhyy, I'm a geezer.' But there's no pictures to prove it. So fuck right off. There's no pictures to prove that Jesus turned water into wine, I know he did and I know he's a geezer, but a book without pictures is a shit book.
the lord wants you to draw your own conclusions.

[140]

the lord wants you to draw your own conclusions.

Listen, if a guy suddenly appears before me with a big beard and locks and all that caper and performed some fucking miracle, and then said to me, 'I am God' I'd say, 'Fair enough, it's a fair cop. I didn't believe in you but fair play, you've got me.' But until that day comes he can fuck right off.

[Avante]

that's like saying "what do i gain from learning that 74+74=148? what do i gain from learning that birds lay eggs instead of giving birth? what do i gain from learning that humans have 23 chromosome pairs instead of 24 like other primates?"

whether or not you "gain" anything from it has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of something

atheism is a conclusion you can come to from observation, not a conscious decision you make

As a little kid you see all those churchs, ya celebrate Christmas and Easter. You see the movies, you know about....In God We Trust....One Nation Under God....So Help Me God....I Swear To God. You are surrounded buy others who believe in a God. That wasn't an observation of how things are?

So you decide all that is bullshit? All those schools like BYU, Notre Dame, Abilene Christian, Oklahoma Baptist, Texas Christian, Dallas Baptist are full of unintelligent people with no clue? You are the one who really knows, right?

So you ignore all those observations because...............?????

BUT.....you have no problems buying into some goo on an ocean floor...................................

[spurraider21]

As a little kid you see all those churchs, ya celebrate Christmas and Easter. You see the movies, you know about....In God We Trust....One Nation Under God....So Help Me God....I Swear To God. You are surrounded buy others who believe in a God. That wasn't an observation of how things are?

So you decide all that is bullshit? All those schools like BYU, Notre Dame, Abilene Christian, Oklahoma Baptist, Texas Christian, Dallas Baptist are full of unintelligent people with no clue? You are the one who really knows, right?

So you ignore all those observations because...............?????

BUT.....you have no problems buying into some goo on an ocean floor...................................
I don't believe things just because other people do.

[Avante]

I don't believe things just because other people do.

You totally missed the point. You were brought up in a world that does believe in a God, you saw the huge impact those beliefs make on this country and the people, you saw all that like we all do. So what was it that made you want to be different? You really think it's better to have nothing, then how come so many disagree with that idea?

Dude, you ever answer a question? So all those professors at those religious schools are idiots?

So there ya stand, the coach says...ok team take a knee....for the pregame prayer, what.....you just stand there?

[SpursforSix]

So there ya stand, the coach says...ok team take a knee....for the pregame prayer, what.....you just stand there?

Not for Coach Sandusky.

[Avante]

Not for Coach Sandusky.

Your need to be a fucking clown really does suck little guy, ok?

[clambake]

Listen, if a guy suddenly appears before me with a big beard and locks and all that caper and performed some fucking miracle, and then said to me, 'I am God' I'd say, 'Fair enough, it's a fair cop. I didn't believe in you but fair play, you've got me.' But until that day comes he can fuck right off.

you missed it.

i said "draw"

get it?

[Avante]

It really is funny how here we just hang out in space, this huge ball of fire over there also just hanging there and it's ...ho hum. We have water hanging upside down but not falling off.....yawn. We are spinning around yet can't feel it, ho hum. Some buy into slimy little sea things crawled onto land (why, and how come thet stopped) and all it took was time before....elephant..gorilla...eagle....spider....w orm etc etc etc.....yawn.

BUT...no way in hell there could ever be a Master Designer, thar's just can't happen...hahahahahahaha~~~~

There are how many things today that didn't exist 1000 years ago?

[spurraider21]

You totally missed the point. You were brought up in a world that does believe in a God, you saw the huge impact those beliefs make on this country and the people, you saw all that like we all do. So what was it that made you want to be different? You really think it's better to have nothing, then how come so many disagree with that idea?
It's agree that belief and faith have impacts on people. I don't think that carries any weight regarding the factual truth of those beliefs.

Do I think it's "better" to have nothing? You've asked this question to me dozens of times by now and I've given the same answer every time. I don't think something being better makes it true.

Avante don't you believe it's better to have a cure for cancer? Of course. That doesn't mean one exists.


Dude, you ever answer a question? So all those professors at those religious schools are idiots?
Nope, not all of them. I just don't share their faith. Do you think Muslim professors at religious institutions are all idiots for believing an angel spoke to Muhammed?


So there ya stand, the coach says...ok team take a knee....for the pregame prayer, what.....you just stand there?
I'd probably join in for the sake of comradery. But if I was a coach I wouldn't make that request.

[Avante]

It's agree that belief and faith have impacts on people. I don't think that carries any weight regarding the factual truth of those beliefs.

Do I think it's "better" to have nothing? You've asked this question to me dozens of times by now and I've given the same answer every time. I don't think something being better makes it true.

Avante don't you believe it's better to have a cure for cancer? Of course. That doesn't mean one exists.


Nope, not all of them. I just don't share their faith. Do you think Muslim professors at religious institutions are all idiots for believing an angel spoke to Muhammed?


I'd probably join in for the sake of comradery. But if I was a coach I wouldn't make that request.

I simply prefer.....

little girl...is Joey in doggie Heaven now?
dad...yes he is dear

to...

little girl...is Joey in doggie Heaven bow?
dad..nope, he's just dead.

Good luck with being you, no thanks. Have a Merry Christmas.

There ya are in a row boat, the ship had sunk. The Captain....let's bow our heads and pray. He sees you just staring off, Captain....ah, the prayer? Do you really think anyone is in the mood for your..."well is there any evidence that..."........well?

In order to get this new $$$$$ postion, ya must be sworn in, so when it comes to....so help me God......well?

[spurraider21]

I simply prefer.....

little girl...is Joey in doggie Heaven now?
dad...yes he is dear

to...

little girl...is Joey in doggie Heaven bow?
dad..nope, he's just dead.

Good luck with being you, no thanks. Have a Merry Christmas.

There ya are in a row boat, the ship had sunk. The Captain....let's bow our heads and pray. He sees you just staring off, Captain....ah, the prayer? Do you really think anyone is in the mood for your..."well is there any evidence that..."........well?

In order to get this new $$$$$ postion, ya must be sworn in, so when it comes to....so help me God......well?
I'm sure those things are all comforting. Again, the level of comfort they give has no effect on the ultimate truth of the claims.

I prefer... It's OK Johnny, they have a cure for your prostate cancer.

Well?????

[Avante]

I'm sure those things are all comforting. Again, the level of comfort they give has no effect on the ultimate truth of the claims.

I prefer... It's OK Johnny, they have a cure for your prostate cancer.

Well?????

But we don't know the truth, that's where ya keep blowing it. That's where....FAITH...comes into it. Do you really believe ..YOU...know the truth over all those religious scholars, come on guy. Do you honestly not get any of this at all? We all came from some sea thingy, hahahahaha~~~~~~~

Dude, PROVE there is no God....come on guy, PROVE it. So why act stupid?

[SpursforSix]

But we don't know the truth, that's where ya keep blowing it. That's where....FAITH...comes into it. Do you really believe ..YOU...know the truth over all those religious scholars, come on guy. Do you honestly not get any of this at all? We all came from some sea thingy, hahahahaha~~~~~~~

Dude, PROVE there is no God....come on guy, PROVE it. So why act stupid?

Hey...SFS...how about a lesson?
SFS....ok...here's one for starters

Bob Marley
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6HlSzwzHaLbhI1Kthqc2V-xqjIb78-DCfWy80SUXuHNkAL-GM

Eric Clapton
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSckuysmL9o3y4SUe28aM0Y2uDknQgnu UoJPTEC-mD2YTJP7W5NPQ

[Avante]

Hey...SFS...how about a lesson?
SFS....ok...here's one for starters

Bob Marley
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6HlSzwzHaLbhI1Kthqc2V-xqjIb78-DCfWy80SUXuHNkAL-GM

Eric Clapton
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSckuysmL9o3y4SUe28aM0Y2uDknQgnu UoJPTEC-mD2YTJP7W5NPQ

I'll try again....

Why did I type...WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT...above the only original I posted? Now think.

Answer the question, ok?

[SpursforSix]

I'll try again....

Why did I type...WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT...above the only original I posted? Now think.

Answer the question, ok?

Translation....thanks for the lesson SFS.

[spurraider21]

But we don't know the truth, that's where ya keep blowing it. That's where....FAITH...comes into it. Do you really believe ..YOU...know the truth over all those religious scholars, come on guy. Do you honestly not get any of this at all? We all came from some sea thingy, hahahahaha~~~~~~~

Dude, PROVE there is no God....come on guy, PROVE it. So why act stupid?
Thanks for calling my belief system stupid. You're very intolerant of people who think different than you.

[Joseph Kony]

avante is a spineless bitch boy, basically the faggot who only "believes" because he is too pussy to come to terms with reality. not surprising for a man who defends child rape

[Avante]

Translation....thanks for the lesson SFS.

As ya once again refuse to answer my question.

[Avante]

Thanks for calling my belief system stupid. You're very intolerant of people who think different than you.

Do you honestly think we all came from some fishy thing, really?

[clambake]

avante is a spineless bitch boy, basically the faggot who only "believes" because he is too pussy to come to terms with reality. not surprising for a man who defends child rape

[Avante]

avante is a spineless bitch boy, basically the faggot who only "believes" because he is too pussy to come to terms with reality. not surprising for a man who defends child rape

Reality is this stupid....

We don't know how all this came about. Anyone saying they do is a liar. If the earth can just hang out in space, then who is to say what can't happen?

Stupid, any man messing with kids needs his head and nuts chopped off, how many times do I need to say that? That is my stance on that sick shit. Why ignore that reality, well?

[clambake]

Reality is this stupid....

We don't know how all this came about. Anyone saying they do is a liar. If the earth can just hang out in space, then who is to say what can't happen?

Stupid, any man messing with kids needs his head and nuts chopped off, how many times do I need to say that? That is my stance on that sick shit. Why ignore that reality, well?

ding

[spurraider21]

Do you honestly think we all came from some fishy thing, really?
It's what the evidence overwhelmingly indicates. It's not my opinion.

But that has nothing to do with atheism. You can believe in a god and still acknowledge scientific principles. Many evolutionary biologists believe in God

I mean, if you believe a god can create people from scratch, why is it so far fetched that the same God could cause species to change?

[SpursforSix]

Reality is this stupid....

We don't know how all this came about. Anyone saying they do is a liar. If the earth can just hang out in space, then who is to say what can't happen?

Stupid, any man messing with kids needs his head and nuts chopped off, how many times do I need to say that? That is my stance on that sick shit. Why ignore that reality, well?

So you'd cut his head off. And then you would find further satisfaction in cutting his nuts off postmortem?

Fucking sick bastard.

[Avante]

It's what the evidence overwhelmingly indicates. It's not my opinion.

But that has nothing to do with atheism. You can believe in a god and still acknowledge scientific principles. Many evolutionary biologists believe in God

I mean, if you believe a god can create people from scratch, why is it so far fetched that the same God could cause species to change?

I can see species changing just not a fish to a ....worm, a bat, spider, a bull, an ape, a rhino, a snake, a cow, a pig....you don't think that is a bit far fetched.


A horse evolving into a higher level of a horse, sure. A fish evolving into a horse, a goat, a butterfly....hahahaha~~~~~~~

How could anyone really believe that silliness?

[spurraider21]

I can see species changing just not a fish to a ....worm, a bat, spider, a bull, an ape, a rhino, a snake, a cow, a pig....you don't think that is a bit far fetched.


A horse evolving into a higher level of a horse, sure. A fish evolving into a horse, a goat, a butterfly....hahahaha~~~~~~~

How could anyone really believe that silliness?
You don't think God is powerful enough to make it happen?

[Avante]

So you'd cut his head off. And then you would find further satisfaction in cutting his nuts off postmortem?

Fucking sick bastard.

Nobody messes with kids if I'm around. That's what makes all this pedo shit so fucking stupid.

If I caught a guy trying to abuse a child he's a dead man.

[spurraider21]

I would imagine making humans from a starting point of fish is easier than making humans from scratch. Look at how much of the work is already done. Spinal cords, brains, nervous systems, circulatory systems, digestive systems, heart, eyes, mouth, DNA, chromosomes, sexual reproduction... The list goes on

[Avante]

You don't think God is powerful enough to make it happen?

Right there is what is wrong with all this. I have no clue (nobody does) about any of that. All I know is here I sit on a huge round planet with a sun just hanging upo there as we spin around. How in the hell can anyone say what can and can't be out there?

[Avante]

I would imagine making humans from a starting point of fish is easier than making humans from scratch. Look at how much of the work is already done. Spinal cords, brains, nervous systems, circulatory systems, digestive systems, heart, eyes, mouth, DNA, chromosomes, sexual reproduction... The list goes on

To think all it takes is time and a fish can become a human is stupid.

Where are these fish crawling onto land at now? Where are all these levels of evolution going on right now?

[spurraider21]

Right there is what is wrong with all this. I have no clue (nobody does) about any of that. All I know is here I sit on a huge round planet with a sun just hanging upo there as we spin around. How in the hell can anyone say what can and can't be out there?
You're being dishonest. You have no problem believing God exists. You have no problem believing God created the universe. You have no problem believing God created humans in their current form.

But when i ask if it's possible God caused evolution, you say "oh I don't know". If God is all powerful, he can certainly cause evolution

To think all it takes is time and a fish can become a human is stupid.

Where are these fish crawling onto land at now? Where are all these levels of evolution going on right now?
Maybe time isn't all it takes. Maybe it needs the Hand of God. So why not go along believing in God and that this all powerful God caused evolution. The evidence is there that we evolved from other life.

Where are the fish crawling onto land today? We've shown you this dozens of times already. These are mudfish. They are fish, gills and all. But they come on land.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/05/23/69/052369000c53f32cce57ef98e618e02c.gif

[Avante]

You're being dishonest. You have no problem believing God exists. You have no problem believing God created the universe. You have no problem believing God created humans in their current form.

But when i ask if it's possible God caused evolution, you say "oh I don't know". If God is all powerful, he can certainly cause evolution

Maybe time isn't all it takes. Maybe it needs the Hand of God. So why not go along believing in God and that this all powerful God caused evolution. The evidence is there that we evolved from other life.

Where are the fish crawling onto land today? We've shown you this dozens of times already. These are mudfish. They are fish, gills and all. But they come on land.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/05/23/69/052369000c53f32cce57ef98e618e02c.gif


If you think I;m talking about mud fish.......why?

ONE MORE TIME

I don't know, nobody does how all this came about. I do know that old sun just hangs out there. Here I sit spinniing. If that can happen then why can't there be other things just as fantastic we can't explain? Think bout it, how do we just hang out in space, oh yeah, gravity. What did they think before they figured out gravity?

So what are those mud fish evolving into, well? Where are all those stages of evolution for all creatures?

[spurraider21]

You said "where are all the fish crawling on to land now"

I showed you that. Now you're asking how come we can't observe a process that takes millions of years. That makes no sense.

This is basically what you're demanding...

We know that people get taller over time, during their youth. The growth isn't sudden, doesn't happen happen in an instant. You're basically asking me to observe a child for one day and prove that children grow. Obviously I can't observe his growth in one day.

In the same way, you're asking me to observe a process that takes millions of years and spot it in a span of 50-60 years. It's nonsensical.

If you believe in a god like all those billions of people, then why so you rule out that such an all powerful being could cause evolution


You ask where all those stages are? Its called the fossil record. It's not my fault you ignore it. The theory of evolution only exists BECAUSE of the fossil record.

[Leetonidas]

Your inability to comprehend scientific principles is not an argument against it you stupid fucking pedophile

[Avante]

You said "where are all the fish crawling on to land now"

I showed you that. Now you're asking how come we can't observe a process that takes millions of years. That makes no sense.

This is basically what you're demanding...

We know that people get taller over time, during their youth. The growth isn't sudden, doesn't happen happen in an instant. You're basically asking me to observe a child for one day and prove that children grow. Obviously I can't observe his growth in one day.

In the same way, you're asking me to observe a process that takes millions of years and spot it in a span of 50-60 years. It's nonsensical.

If you believe in a god like all those billions of people, then why so you rule out that such an all powerful being could cause evolution


You ask where all those stages are? Its called the fossil record. It's not my fault you ignore it. The theory of evolution only exists BECAUSE of the fossil record.

How many stages of evolution did it take to get the mud fish? Where are all those previous stages? So we have a fossil record showing all the different stages of evolutionj for all the animals. really?

I was actually talking about other fish leaving the ocean liike they once did. OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY wasn't talking the mud fish, that really had to be explained to you?


TONS and TONS of this sort of thing, why?





What are the “gaps in the fossil record”?

When we dig the earth, find fossils of long-dead creatures, date them according to scientific methods, and arrange them in chronological order, we find that the fossils (that’s the “fossil record”) do not appear to change smoothly from one form to another, but present us with gaps. For example, even when we have every reason to suspect that species A of a kind of squirrels evolved into species B of a different kind of squirrels, we cannot find a smooth transition of fossils from A to B, but a rather abrupt appearance of B at some point in time. Thus, there appears to be a “gap” in the fossil record between A and B.
How the gaps are explained by evolution

Some people (who are typically not biologists) think that the gaps in the fossil record present a problem to the theory of evolution, because they do not show a gradual and smooth change of one species changing into another.



But precisely! Modern evolutionary theory claims
that species do not change gradually, but “abruptly”!





Given the fact of evolution, one would expect the fossils to document a gradual steady change from ancestral forms to the descendants. But this is not what the paleontologist finds. Instead, he or she finds gaps in just about every phyletic series.” (Ernst Mayr-Professor Emeritus, Museum of Comparative Zoology at Harvard University, What Evolution Is, 2001, p.14.)
“All paleontologists know that the fossil record contains precious little in the way of intermediate forms; transitions between major groups are characteristically abrupt. Gradualists usually extract themselves from this dilemma by invoking the extreme imperfection of the fossil record.” (Gould, Stephen J. The Panda’s Thumb, 1980, p. 189.)

[Avante]

Your inability to comprehend scientific principles is not an argument against it you stupid fucking pedophile

Why act like I'm the only one not buying all that silly bullshit ya little faggot? And what about.....ya shoot sick ass pedos...don't you understand?

Dude, why do you continue to ignore reality?

[Avante]

This is why there was a Designer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kONa1IC_f0



I just don't think it went down like we read in any Bible. Those are man made stories not unlike the myths.

SOMETHING.....is behind all this and only a fool wouldn't see that.

[Mitch]

Why act like I'm the only one not buying all that silly bullshit ya little faggot? And what about.....ya shoot sick ass pedos...don't you understand?

Dude, why do you continue to ignore reality?

'sup Avante, heard this - think you might like a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1RDwUYZlw

[Avante]

'sup Avante, heard this - think you might like a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh1RDwUYZlw

I can see you get it, yep.....loved it.

Staying in that mood....




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qX5TSmTyHc&list=PLC9vmvikd6eSNPUZwKrTrudx 5RKDONdCm

[Mitch]

I can see you get it, yep.....loved it.

Staying in that mood....




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qX5TSmTyHc&list=PLC9vmvikd6eSNPUZwKrTrudx 5RKDONdCm

:tu

Can add some of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RznWJUkwXEM

and that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yywGI1H_oyM

[Leetonidas]

:lol legit posting a Ken Hamm video as a rebuttal

Retard confirmed.

[spurraider21]

This is why there was a Designer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kONa1IC_f0



I just don't think it went down like we read in any Bible. Those are man made stories not unlike the myths.

SOMETHING.....is behind all this and only a fool wouldn't see that.
Why can't an all powerful God cause evolution of dna?

[Blake]

This is why there was a Designer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kONa1IC_f0



I just don't think it went down like we read in any Bible. Those are man made stories not unlike the myths.

SOMETHING.....is behind all this and only a fool wouldn't see that.

Then where did the designer come from.

You're such a close minded caveman.

[Blake]

Why can't an all powerful God cause evolution of dna?

Because it's time for some blues/track youtube

[spurraider21]

How many stages of evolution did it take to get the mud fish? Where are all those previous stages? So we have a fossil record showing all the different stages of evolutionj for all the animals. really?

I was actually talking about other fish leaving the ocean liike they once did. OBVIOUSLY OBVIOUSLY wasn't talking the mud fish, that really had to be explained to you?


TONS and TONS of this sort of thing, why?




What are the “gaps in the fossil record”?

When we dig the earth, find fossils of long-dead creatures, date them according to scientific methods, and arrange them in chronological order, we find that the fossils (that’s the “fossil record”) do not appear to change smoothly from one form to another, but present us with gaps. For example, even when we have every reason to suspect that species A of a kind of squirrels evolved into species B of a different kind of squirrels, we cannot find a smooth transition of fossils from A to B, but a rather abrupt appearance of B at some point in time. Thus, there appears to be a “gap” in the fossil record between A and B.
How the gaps are explained by evolution

Some people (who are typically not biologists) think that the gaps in the fossil record present a problem to the theory of evolution, because they do not show a gradual and smooth change of one species changing into another.



But precisely! Modern evolutionary theory claims
that species do not change gradually, but “abruptly”!




Given the fact of evolution, one would expect the fossils to document a gradual steady change from ancestral forms to the descendants. But this is not what the paleontologist finds. Instead, he or she finds gaps in just about every phyletic series.” (Ernst Mayr-Professor Emeritus, Museum of Comparative Zoology at Harvard University, What Evolution Is, 2001, p.14.)
“All paleontologists know that the fossil record contains precious little in the way of intermediate forms; transitions between major groups are characteristically abrupt. Gradualists usually extract themselves from this dilemma by invoking the extreme imperfection of the fossil record.” (Gould, Stephen J. The Panda’s Thumb, 1980, p. 189.)



a) is this from a credible scientific source, or...?

b) did you realize that the dude you quoted was actually pointing out misconceptions (like the one you quoted) and went on to explain why they're wrong?

c) why do you hide where you get your "information" from?

d) now i know you wont really discuss the points, but rather you will ignore it and spam more links and youtubes that you didnt fully watch or read

[Avante]

a) is this from a credible scientific source, or...?

b) did you realize that the dude you quoted was actually pointing out misconceptions (like the one you quoted) and went on to explain why they're wrong?

c) why do you hide where you get your "information" from?

d) now i know you wont really discuss the points, but rather you will ignore it and spam more links and youtubes that you didnt fully watch or read

You once again missed my point.

Why was that guy defending the fossill record? Could it be because of all the holes in it?

Do you have any idea at all just how many articles/videos are out there challenging everything you talk about? Why is that?

Dude, cool this stupid..."didn't fully watch,read"...ok? I look at everything and read everything.....got it?

[140]

cluck cluck

[spurraider21]

You once again missed my point.

Why was that guy defending the fossill record? Could it be because of all the holes in it?

Do you have any idea at all just how many articles/videos are out there challenging everything you talk about? Why is that?

Dude, cool this stupid..."didn't fully watch,read"...ok? I look at everything and read everything.....got it?
He has to "defend" from people who misunderstand what the fossil record is

[Avante]

He has to "defend" from people who misunderstand what the fossil record is

Do you really believe we can trace all living creatures on earth back back back back to the same origins, really?

[spurraider21]

Do you really believe we can trace all living creatures on earth back back back back to the same origins, really?
Do you really doubt the capability of an all powerful God to make that happen?

[Avante]

Do you really doubt the capability of an all powerful God to make that happen?

How about giving this a shot, ok slugger?

Do you really think all living creatures on earth can trace their origins all back to that fishy slithering out of the ocean......WELL???????

You have a real bad habit of ignoring a question with a question.

[spurraider21]

How about giving this a shot, ok slugger?

Do you really think all living creatures on earth can trace their origins all back to that fishy slithering out of the ocean......WELL???????

You have a real bad habit of ignoring a question with a question.i think all the available evidence points to the fact that animals originated in the sea, yes.

do you doubt the ability of an all powerful god to make that happen? you have a real bad habit of ignoring that question

[spurraider21]

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16864603_1788160001510860_1315037335022236977_n.jp g?oh=356a92be51ba666416059d8d526704e9&oe=5931477B

[Avante]

i think all the available evidence points to the fact that animals originated in the sea, yes.

do you doubt the ability of an all powerful god to make that happen? you have a real bad habit of ignoring that question

There ya go skippy, that's how it's done. You answer a question....THEN...it's your turn, see ya learned something.

Why would a God need to go about it that way it makes no sense. He would know the confusion it would cause.

So all life on earth can all be traced back to that slithering little sea creature who for whatever reason decided to give living on land a shot, knowing he'd have plenty to eat.....right? And, there must have been a male and a female....right? So when did these things think about flying? So we got the ant nd the elephnt from this couple.....more or less....right?

[Avante]

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16864603_1788160001510860_1315037335022236977_n.jp g?oh=356a92be51ba666416059d8d526704e9&oe=5931477B


Ask the Bible thumpers that question.

I haven't made it very clear by now that I don't buy any of that Bible bullshit? That however doesn't mean I don't believe there was some Master Designer. Dude, how many times do you need to be told something?


Humans need heros, stories, so we have them. That goes as far back as we do. Every culture has it's heros and villians and stories, it's something we seem to need. All total bullshit.

Mohammad...I was just hanging out in a cave when this angel named Gabriel.................. and he really expected anyone to believe that bullshit, hahahaha~~~~

What isn't bullshit is here we are hanging in outer space with a gigantic ball of fire hanging over us. Nobody ever falls off the planet, the water never spills as we spin around and around and around. Dude, if that can happen don't you think anything is possible? The sun the perfect distance, the rotation of the earth...perfect....the nutrients in the ground, the sperm and the egg, DNA...all just happened by chance, you cannot be that naive.

[spurraider21]

There ya go skippy, that's how it's done. You answer a question....THEN...it's your turn, see ya learned something.

Why would a God need to go about it that way it makes no sense. He would know the confusion it would cause.
we aren't sophisticated enough to understand "why" the designer decided to do what he did, are we?


So all life on earth can all be traced back to that slithering little sea creature who for whatever reason decided to give living on land a shot, knowing he'd have plenty to eat.....right? And, there must have been a male and a female....right? So when did these things think about flying?im sure the designer thought about making males and females, and if you believe he has the power to create life, humans, etc, then certainly he has the power to give sea creatures lungs and legs, right?


So we got the ant nd the elephnt from this couple.....more or less....right?
mm, not quite. insects are arthropods, so they come from sea creatures that are also arthropods, like lobsters and sea spiders. very very different from bony fishes like the mudfish we looked at, which have spinal chords

[spurraider21]

Ask the Bible thumpers that question.

I haven't made it very clear by now that I don't buy any of that Bible bullshit? That however doesn't mean I don't believe there was some Master Designer. Dude, how many times do you need to be told something?


Humans need heros, stories, so we have them. That goes as far back as we do. Every culture has it's heros and villians and stories, it's something we seem to need. All total bullshit.

Mohammad...I was just hanging out in a cave when this angel named Gabriel.................. and he really expected anyone to believe that bullshit, hahahaha~~~~i wasn't asking you this question, specifically. just posted it in the thread


What isn't bullshit is here we are hanging in outer space with a gigantic ball of fire hanging over us. Nobody ever falls off the planet, the water never spills as we spin around and around and around. Dude, if that can happen don't you think anything is possible? The sun the perfect distance, the rotation of the earth...perfect....the nutrients in the ground, the sperm and the egg, DNA...all just happened by chance, you cannot be that naive.
i agree that we're lucky. but what would happen if the earth wasn't in the right position, or gravity didnt exist? then humans wouldn't be here.

and if we didn't exist, the universe wouldn't be sitting there complaining. it would go right along. stars would still form and explode. planets would still get rocked by meteors. the universe without humans would look the same as it does if it did have humans