Kawhi is playing great, bust still a role player [Archive]

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 01:46 PM

This is the ultimate "sell-high" move we can make, it may be the best of all time. Some idiots on other teams are convinced he is a star player, no doubt the spurs can snag some real talent for him.

GIT R DUN RC

Arcadian

12-31-2016, 01:47 PM

How bout no?

TXstbobcat

12-31-2016, 01:48 PM

Worst idea of 2016.

DarrinS

12-31-2016, 01:49 PM

Is OP competing with TGY for the title of dumbest poster on ST?

Sean Cagney

12-31-2016, 01:51 PM

Trade your best player and get less in return, sounds good.....

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 01:55 PM

Trade your best player and get less in return, sounds good.....
What do you mean less? He is fools gold and a product of the system at best. I love his defensive energy and we need him on a championship team, but a real star is something that could be vital. Parsons will probably be bought out by the grizzlies and will be a serviceable replacement. Trade Kiwi for Westbrook and we have some serious fire power and can be another dynasty in the NBA. Some of you guys are just too blinded by your player only fan pride tbh :lol

DarrinS

12-31-2016, 01:58 PM

https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sf

Robz4000

12-31-2016, 02:03 PM

Ur mum's a role player

lilbthebasedgod

12-31-2016, 02:09 PM

I'd trade him for giannis without even thinking about it.

duncan2k5

12-31-2016, 02:23 PM

LMFAO!!!!!! some of us wouldn't know a star player if they won finals MVP, 2x DPOY,then became a top 3 MVP right in front our face......................

Horse

12-31-2016, 02:30 PM

Is this jackass serious?

Solid D

12-31-2016, 02:34 PM

Initial premise is false...as are all other premises delivered by OP in this thread. Equivalent of gnawing off one's foot in case it ever gets caught in a trap.

Spur|n|Austin

12-31-2016, 02:39 PM

Worst idea of 2016.

:lol that's saying a lot too

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 03:01 PM

You can bump this when I end up being right...though most of you guys will end up wishing you had listened to me. Luckily RC and I are of one mind...

r0drig0lac

12-31-2016, 03:25 PM

Beal and Ariza?

Clipper Nation

12-31-2016, 03:37 PM

Parsons will probably be bought out by the grizzlies and will be a serviceable replacement.
http://i.imgur.com/CDutb24.png

Clipper Nation

12-31-2016, 03:38 PM

I'd trade him for giannis without even thinking about it.

You'd trade Kawhi for one of the few players in the league who's better than him?

http://i.imgur.com/L8kLt0b.jpg

bic50

12-31-2016, 03:52 PM

Garbage fans tbh

SpurPadre

12-31-2016, 04:06 PM

You'd trade Kawhi for one of the few players in the league who's better than him?

http://i.imgur.com/L8kLt0b.jpg

This take is extremely debatable...

bic50

12-31-2016, 04:39 PM

I'd trade him for giannis without even thinking about it.
garbage fan tbh

Play Boban

12-31-2016, 04:44 PM

I'd trade him for giannis without even thinking about it.
I'd trade him for Richard Jefferson tbh.

MVParker is all we need. :cry

tholdren

12-31-2016, 04:56 PM

This take is extremely debatable...
The only debate is how much better KL is... a lot or A LOT

RD2191

12-31-2016, 05:00 PM

In before Chinook

Clipper Nation

12-31-2016, 05:06 PM

This take is extremely debatable...
I'm a huge fan of both players and have been since they each entered the league. Kawhi is a great player, but Giannis is a freak of nature. He might literally be the next LeBron. At age 22, he's currently top 20 in points, rebounds, and assists per game, 6th in the league in steals per game, and 7th in blocks per game. The only thing he can't do yet is make threes.

lilbthebasedgod

12-31-2016, 05:15 PM

You'd trade Kawhi for one of the few players in the league who's better than him?

http://i.imgur.com/L8kLt0b.jpg
I mean that is kind of the point. This is pretty much what it'd take for me to consider a trade. Kawhi isn't untradeable imo, but its never gonna happen anyway so whatever.

DPG21920

12-31-2016, 05:20 PM

I'm a huge fan of both players and have been since they each entered the league. Kawhi is a great player, but Giannis is a freak of nature. He might literally be the next LeBron. At age 22, he's currently top 20 in points, rebounds, and assists per game, 6th in the league in steals per game, and 7th in blocks per game. The only thing he can't do yet is make threes.

Greek Freak is amazing and can do many things Kawhi can't - they are different players. I would not say he is better than Kawhi though. Let's see him make an impact on a playoff team first. Kawhi is a 2x DPOY and Finals MVP - we know he's a legit anchor on a title team even in the West.

You crap all over TP and other Spurs as well so don't act like Kawhi is getting dragged there by his team either.

Robz4000

12-31-2016, 05:25 PM

You'd trade Kawhi for one of the few players in the league who's better than him?

http://i.imgur.com/L8kLt0b.jpg

I'm a huge fan of both players and have been since they each entered the league. Kawhi is a great player, but Giannis is a freak of nature. He might literally be the next LeBron. At age 22, he's currently top 20 in points, rebounds, and assists per game, 6th in the league in steals per game, and 7th in blocks per game. The only thing he can't do yet is make threes.

I love me some GA too but he isn't in the same league as Kiwi yet, much less the better player.

Clipper Nation

12-31-2016, 05:28 PM

Greek Freak is amazing and can do many things Kawhi can't - they are different players. I would not say he is better than Kawhi though. Let's see him make an impact on a playoff team first. Kawhi is a 2x DPOY and Finals MVP - we know he's a legit anchor on a title team even in the West.

You crap all over TP and other Spurs as well so don't act like Kawhi is getting dragged there by his team either.
I do think with some more experience and internal improvements, the Giannis/Parker/Middleton trio will be primed for deep playoff runs and maybe even rings when LeBron declines. They also need a better coach (Kidd is a joke) and they need to dump dead weight like Plumlee and Monroe.

DPG21920

12-31-2016, 05:35 PM

I do think with some more experience and internal improvements, the Giannis/Parker/Middleton trio will be primed for deep playoff runs and maybe even rings when LeBron declines. They also need a better coach (Kidd is a joke) and they need to dump dead weight like Plumlee and Monroe.

Maybe. It's possible. Really depends on Jabari's ceiling (will he actually be a 3PT shooter and defender?). But while Lebron may be hindering a chance at a title, nothing should be stopping them from being a playoff team in the East.

But that is kind of my point in pumping the breaks on calling TGF better than Kawhi. Spurs were still a good team the years before they got Kawhi but they were slumping (in their own expectations). They land Kawhi and immediately go back to the finals multiple times (including a win) and then he wins DPOY 2x and is still leading a team minus Duncan to an elite record so far.

This is with declining TP, Manu and now no Tim. SA has many good players still obviously so it's not just Kawhi at all, but TGF still is not even a playoff team in the East.

bic50

12-31-2016, 06:12 PM

I mean that is kind of the point. This is pretty much what it'd take for me to consider a trade. Kawhi isn't untradeable imo, but its never gonna happen anyway so whatever.
Kawhi is definitely untradeable.

spurs10

12-31-2016, 06:32 PM

Glad OP is not in the front office. When you will your team to a championship, win DPOY twice, and receive aFMVP you are pretty safe in keeping your job. :claw

TheMulletMan3000

12-31-2016, 06:40 PM

Is OP competing with TGY for the title of dumbest poster on ST?

Op IS tgy

GSH

12-31-2016, 06:47 PM

I can't believe a couple of you are actually having a discussion here. The thread title says Kawhi is a role player. The correct response is:

Fuck off, troll.

spurraider21

12-31-2016, 06:48 PM

delete your account

SAGirl

12-31-2016, 06:50 PM

:troll

Chinook

12-31-2016, 07:40 PM

In before Rob

Chinook

12-31-2016, 07:41 PM

In before Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

Ah, shit nevermind.

100%duncan

12-31-2016, 08:14 PM

Wait, it wasn’t a troll post?

313

12-31-2016, 08:20 PM

Kawhi is definitely untradeable.Hes untradeable in the sense of being the franchise player and franchise players don't get traded unless their team is massively under achieving or that player is being a cancer in the lockerroom. Kiwi is neither so there is absolutely no chance he's traded.

But is he untradeable because there aren't players better than him or that could exceed just as well if not better on this team? No

r0drig0lac

12-31-2016, 08:26 PM

Giannis with 17/5/3/2/6 2:00 in 3q

Sean Cagney

12-31-2016, 08:49 PM

What do you mean less? He is fools gold and a product of the system at best. I love his defensive energy and we need him on a championship team, but a real star is something that could be vital. Parsons will probably be bought out by the grizzlies and will be a serviceable replacement.

Parsons a good replacement :lol

BD24

12-31-2016, 09:02 PM

Beal and Ariza?
:lol:toast

Mister Sinister

12-31-2016, 09:05 PM

http://i.imgur.com/MwMCEor.png

r0drig0lac

12-31-2016, 09:05 PM

Giannis with 27/8/5/2/7 ..damn

Astray

12-31-2016, 09:06 PM

Giannis with 17/5/3/2/6 2:00 in 3q

Only a homer would say Kawhi is better.

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 09:07 PM

Giannis with 27/8/5/2/7 ..damn
Anybody on here that wouldn't pull the trigger on that trade is a stupid homer.

I don't understand what the issue is....we can turn our team into a force to be reckoned with. Does anybody here believe Kawhi is good enough offensively to carry us in the post season? He's not. RC is probably already formulating a trade...

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 09:08 PM

Parsons a good replacement :lol
Kawhi is a good scorer, but more possessions in a real star and a serviceable 3 and D guy like Parsons won't be too much of a drop off.

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 09:09 PM

Hes untradeable in the sense of being the franchise player and franchise players don't get traded unless their team is massively under achieving or that player is being a cancer in the lockerroom. Kiwi is neither so there is absolutely no chance he's traded.

But is he untradeable because there aren't players better than him or that could exceed just as well if not better on this team? No
This is why a debate is so difficult. Why on earth are you coming to that premise? There are plenty of players better.

tholdren

12-31-2016, 09:17 PM

Only a homer would say Kawhi is better.
I dont even like kL but he's better.

Astray

12-31-2016, 09:34 PM

I dont even like kL but he's better.

What is Kawhi better at other than 3pt shooting?

dabom

12-31-2016, 09:35 PM

What is Kawhi better at other than 3pt shooting?

Making the playoffs for once. :lmao

Astray

12-31-2016, 09:40 PM

Making the playoffs for once. :lmao

The Spurs would be the favorites for the next several years if we had Giannis instead of Kiwi. :lmao

dabom

12-31-2016, 09:41 PM

The Spurs would be the favorites for the next several years if we had Giannis instead of Kiwi. :lmao

Dude can't even shoot. :lmao

r0drig0lac

12-31-2016, 09:43 PM

Kawhi is a more proven player, about Giannis his ceiling is scary

HarlemHeat37

12-31-2016, 09:51 PM

r0drig0lac

12-31-2016, 10:03 PM

Giannis is not a good 3pt shooter but has .612 ts (for comparison Kawhi has .608 and Durant .650) and fg .531 (Kawhi .470 and Durant .530), he is super efficient

313

12-31-2016, 10:10 PM

Giannis' shooting numbers are atrocious, tbh..his half court offensive game is poor and he literally can't shoot efficiently from anywhere other than at the rim..

He reminds me of a bigger John Wall..his ceiling is scary, though, and he's already a top 15 player..LeBron couldn't shoot for years and it didn't stop him. If Giannis can get to a level where he can at least occasionally go off from three he'll be top 5-10ish easily.

313

12-31-2016, 10:10 PM

Making the playoffs for once. :lmao
Bucks didn't make the playoffs last year?

LoneStarState'sPride

12-31-2016, 10:12 PM

OP should kill himself.

bic50

12-31-2016, 10:29 PM

These 2 clowns asstray and that other fool have to be the same person trolling.

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 10:39 PM

These 2 clowns asstray and that other fool have to be the same person trolling.
When did you join? Oh that's right, 6 years after me. Sit your fatass down bitch.

Kawhitstorm

12-31-2016, 10:53 PM

LeBron couldn't shoot for years and it didn't stop him. If Giannis can get to a level where he can at least occasionally go off from three he'll be top 5-10ish easily.

LeBron had the explosiveness to get to the rim even in half-court sets aka WestBrick, Giannis needs a run-way to get lift-off but is a devastating open-court player.

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 11:04 PM

Greek Freak's statline tonight and you guys are jerking off :lol

If you say you won't trade him for Kawhi you are a dumb faggot

bic50

12-31-2016, 11:19 PM

When did you join? Oh that's right, 6 years after me. Sit your fatass down bitch.
So because you joined before me doesn't make you a dumbass troll?

Gummi Clutch

12-31-2016, 11:33 PM

So because you joined before me doesn't make you a dumbass troll?
It makes the premise of your previous post impossible you retard. Get on with your limp dick antics.

My post STANDS.

apalisoc_9

12-31-2016, 11:56 PM

I have no idea why anyone is responding to the op..:lol

bic50

12-31-2016, 11:59 PM

It makes the premise of your previous post impossible you retard. Get on with your limp dick antics.

My post STANDS.
It's very possible you're just a garbage ass troll. No ones taking you serious anyway. Carry on with your lame posts.

DPG21920

01-01-2017, 12:30 AM

The OP is really stupid, but the Greek Freak debate is not. It's moot because neither team would do it and it makes no real world sense but that argument on who you would rather have is reasonable.

Gummi Clutch

01-01-2017, 02:00 AM

The OP is really stupid, but the Greek Freak debate is not. It's moot because neither team would do it and it makes no real world sense but that argument on who you would rather have is reasonable.
I disagree, with the hype and system we have with Kawhi we can get the Bucks to bite. That's a future Lebron right there and some of these homers won't bite :lol

Raven

01-01-2017, 10:45 AM

I'd trade him for giannis without even thinking about it.

:lmao

Seventyniner

01-01-2017, 11:00 AM

Worst idea of 2016.

And a strong contender for 2017 too.

Rob123

01-01-2017, 02:54 PM

Are you retarded. The kids only 25. That's insane. If he's playing this way at 27-28 then yeah trade him.

HarlemHeat37

01-01-2017, 03:13 PM

It's very possible you're just a garbage ass troll. No ones taking you serious anyway. Carry on with your lame posts.

:lmao

I had never heard of that poster until this thread, though, so his trolling can't be that effective, tbh..

r0drig0lac

01-01-2017, 03:25 PM

Are you retarded. The kids only 25. That's insane. If he's playing this way at 27-28 then yeah trade him.

Kawhi will retire as a spur (he is one of the best players in the world, and a superstar)

K...

01-01-2017, 03:50 PM

Kawhi will retire as a spur (he is one of the best players in the world, and a superstar)

A very well sourced poster here claims otherwise if the spurs don't trade that diva.

I think the best part of trading Kawhi is letting Kyle get a starting spot. The main thing stopping Anderson from breaking the game wide open is constant playing time. We hads to trade r Jeff before Kawhi got good so this is only fair

dabom

01-01-2017, 04:37 PM

Bucks didn't make the playoffs last year?

Nope.:lol

DAF86

01-01-2017, 04:42 PM

r0drig0lac

01-01-2017, 04:49 PM

He doesn't seem like he will be able to develop the jumpshot he needs to be trully great, imho.

Why not?

DAF86

01-01-2017, 04:54 PM

Why not?

He has shown little to no improvement so far in terms of shooting and it's his, what?, 3rd or 4th season? I cringe everytime I see him take a jumper. Everybody is pulling the Lebron card, but the king never looked so bad taking jumpers. Giannis just doesn't seem to have what it takes to ever be an above average jumpshooter.

r0drig0lac

01-01-2017, 05:45 PM

He has shown little to no improvement so far in terms of shooting and it's his, what?, 3rd or 4th season? I cringe everytime I see him take a jumper. Everybody is pulling the Lebron card, but the king never looked so bad taking jumpers. Giannis just doesn't seem to have what it takes to ever be an above average jumpshooter.

fair, although he does not agree, he is one of the most efficient players in the league, so the lack of 3pt is not influencing his game

dabom

01-01-2017, 05:52 PM

fair, although he does not agree, he is one of the most efficient players in the league, so the lack of 3pt is not influencing his game

So why aren't they winning games in the fourth quarter?

r0drig0lac

01-01-2017, 06:02 PM

So why aren't they winning games in the fourth quarter?

The bucks is a case for analysis as they can face the top 3 of the league (Cavs, GSW and Spurs) but have difficulties against weaker teams, imo the return of Kris (before the injury a 20/4/4 guy) will make the team even better

dabom

01-01-2017, 06:03 PM

The bucks is a case for analysis as they can face the top 3 of the league (Cavs, GSW and Spurs) but have difficulties against weaker teams, imo the return of Kris (before the injury a 20/4/4 guy) will make the team even better

They also play in the Leastern Conference too. :lmao

dabom

01-01-2017, 06:09 PM

Someone try me. I got some time. :lol

r0drig0lac

01-01-2017, 06:10 PM

They also play in the Leastern Conference too. :lmao

yes, by the talent of his list would be normal (although still a very young team)

Kawhitstorm

01-01-2017, 06:13 PM

Greek Freak's statline tonight and you guys are jerking off :lol

If you say you won't trade him for Kawhi you are a dumb faggot

He was in the playoff his 2nd season & got destroyed by the 2015 version of Jimmy Butler. Kawhi in his 2nd year was clamping up PEAK LeBron.:sleep

lilbthebasedgod

01-01-2017, 06:23 PM

One of the biggest reasons I would prefer Giannis is because he does all of this without a jumpshot. We're a team full of midrange and 3 shooters. Kawhi's shooting is kind of redundant if we already have enough floor spacing.

Obviously at this point Kawhi is a more well rounded player.