Atlanta listening to offers for Millsap, Korver, & Sefalosha

[SpursBig3s]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18390624/atlanta-hawks-fielding-trade-offers-paul-millsap-sources-say
http://es.pn/2iy3meW

[gambit1990]

hopefully bud is a BIG fan of tony parker.

[r0drig0lac]

sefo or korver please

[dabom]

Korver.

[spurraider21]

spurs aren't trading aldridge

hawks aren't trading for parker

let us proceed

[r0drig0lac]

spurs aren't trading aldridge

hawks aren't trading for parker

let us proceed
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[HarlemHeat37]

Love Millsap, one of my favorite players, but pointless when you already have Aldridge..

Korver would be nice, but Simmons is playing well enough that it may be worth riding it out with him as the 4th wing..

[urunobili]

Thabo for Kyle?

[LittleCriminal]

Anderson/Forbes for Millsap

[r0drig0lac]

Korver for 2nd round pick

[gambit1990]

woulda give up lma, parker, anderson, murray, and a 1st for those three.

patty/manu
green/korver, simmons
kawhi/thabo, bertans
millsap/lee
dedmon/gasol

[dbestpro]

Korver is a 5mil contract. You would have to send Dedmon or Mills along with Anderson to get Korver. Real hard to match salaries without losing something good. There not trading LMA, Gasol, Manu or TP.

[AFMadison]

woulda give up lma, parker, anderson, murray, and a 1st for those three.

patty/manu
green/korver, simmons
kawhi/thabo, bertans
millsap/lee
dedmon/gasol
:lol

[Mikeanaro]

Hawks sucks, I dont see the point of this thread.

[TheGreatYacht]

They want a poor man's Jae Crowder with cornrows?

[MaNu4Tres]

A team is taking calls around the trade deadline?

No Way.

[gambit1990]

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spurs take back splitter's contract. hawks get an all star and a champion proven whatever tony parker.

[Kawhitstorm]

Tiago for Pau "Addition by Subtraction" GaSoft?:wakeup

[dabom]

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spurs take back splitter's contract. hawks get an all star and a champion proven whatever tony parker.

ST also trades all the porkertards to the hawks forums. :lmao

[GSH]

Love Millsap, one of my favorite players, but pointless when you already have Aldridge..

Korver would be nice, but Simmons is playing well enough that it may be worth riding it out with him as the 4th wing..


Korver is a tough sonofabitch. I hate him when he's on the other team, but I'd love to see him play in SA. But until Atlanta announces that they're having a fire sale, I don't see much way to trade for any of those guys, and not go backwards somewhere else.

[Robz4000]

OKC gonna trade for Millsap and Korver imo.

[gambit1990]

if i'm okc:
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[Ice009]

Love Millsap, one of my favorite players, but pointless when you already have Aldridge..

Korver would be nice, but Simmons is playing well enough that it may be worth riding it out with him as the 4th wing..

I just wish Simmons would have the same attitude as Stephen Jackson when shooting jumpers. Heck, right now, I'd just settle for him consistently taking open shots/looks.

[SpursIndonesia]

Tiago for Pau "Addition by Subtraction" GaSoft?:wakeup

Now, we're talking business here. :tu

[Russ]

I've always imagined Korver in a Spurs uniform. Could lead to a ring.

But in reality, I just don't see it.

[baseline bum]

Didn't Korver's wife veto him coming here as a free agent back when he was good? Please no more 35+ players.

[DPG21920]

Not that it's related but how would people feel about a Monta Ellis trade?

He's not been great obviously this year (or last for that matter) and he's 31/32 I think but seems like he may be available for a reasonable offer.

He has 2 more years on his deal after this one though at 11M per.

[SAGirl]

Not that it's related but how would people feel about a Monta Ellis trade?

He's not been great obviously this year (or last for that matter) and he's 31/32 I think but seems like he may be available for a reasonable offer.

He has 2 more years on his deal after this one though at 11M per.
I will be honest for me all these trades are just entertainment, I don't think Spurs trade anybody midseason... except maybe one of the youngins but they are all cheap, very young still and have some role that they have performed well enough for their spots in the rotation... The guys higher up in the rotation with enough salary to trade for some contributor are not up for trade and the team is performing up to expectations....

[baseline bum]

Not that it's related but how would people feel about a Monta Ellis trade?

He's not been great obviously this year (or last for that matter) and he's 31/32 I think but seems like he may be available for a reasonable offer.

He has 2 more years on his deal after this one though at 11M per.

Holy shit I didn't realize he was having such an awful year. He's got a worse PER than Anderson. :lol

[AaronY]

Oooooh Korver

[Darius Bieber]

Didn't Korver's wife veto him coming here as a free agent back when he was good? Please no more 35+ players.

Yeah. Pussy whipped soft ass. She probably told him to go to Atlanta so she can bang more big black guys.

[DPG21920]

Holy shit I didn't realize he was having such an awful year. He's got a worse PER than Anderson. :lol

He's had a few injuries that have kept them out and INDY has been big time up & down. Was thinking he may be available, need a change of scenery and perhaps might add an element our guards are lacking. Dont love it, but someone I was thinking might be worth a swing on for a reasonable cost.

[TrainOfThought5]

Yeah. Pussy whipped soft ass. She probably told him to go to Atlanta so she can bang more big black guys.

LOL what? You need to see a therapist.

[baseline bum]

Yeah. Pussy whipped soft ass. She probably told him to go to Atlanta so she can bang more big black guys.

It's unfortunate. Tim could have given her a heads up about the Mexican personal trainers this city boasts.

[Robz4000]

Ellis would be the penetrating guard this team needs when Tony can't get it done, but they don't have the salaries to match without giving up Green.

[DPG21920]

Ellis would be the penetrating guard this team needs when Tony can't get it done, but they don't have the salaries to match without giving up Green.

Ya - it's not likely they can work something out due to salaries, but was more thinking about fit at the moment.

[Kawhitstorm]

Holy shit I didn't realize he was having such an awful year. He's got a worse PER than Anderson. :lol

He's playing in the same system that made G.Hill look like Mario Chalmers.:lol

[r0drig0lac]

LOL what? You need to see a therapist.

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[Arcadian]

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spurs take back splitter's contract. hawks get an all star and a champion proven whatever tony parker.

But...we still need a PG.

[gambit1990]

But...we still need a PG.
the team will rely on defense. the offense will take care of itself.

that trade takes parker off next year's books. so we'll have money for this summer.

[DPG21920]

the team will rely on defense. the offense will take care of itself.

that trade takes parker off next year's books. so we'll have money for this summer.

The offense will take care of itself? What?

[bluebellmaniac]

The offense will take care of itself? What?

You beat me to it. LOL!

[gambit1990]

start patty, manu plays pg off the bench.

green/simmons
kawhi/thabo
millsap/lee
dedmon/gasol

[bluebellmaniac]

the team will rely on defense. the offense will take care of itself.

that trade takes parker off next year's books. so we'll have money for this summer.

How the hell does an offense take care of itself?

[gambit1990]

^ let's trade parker and you'll see.

[DPG21920]

^ let's trade parker and you'll see.

Great analysis. Backed up with lots of facts!

[DAF86]

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spurs take back splitter's contract. hawks get an all star and a champion proven whatever tony parker.

Why would you take Sefo but no Korver?

[Chinook]

The offense will take care of itself? What?

Pop better not double-down on the shitshow the offense becomes when Parker or Manu isn't in and having a good game. The last thing I want to see is more midrange pull-ups off no movement.

[TrainOfThought5]

The offense will take care of itself? What?

[Gagnrath]

start patty, manu plays pg off the bench.

green/simmons
kawhi/thabo
millsap/lee
dedmon/gasol

Problem is Manu at this point isn't a 25 minutes a night player... and Patty isn't a guy you want on the floor 30+ minutes a game with a 2 who can't handle the ball and a 3 who isn't an above average facilitator. Can patty be a starting pg and a primary ball handler in the NBA? Probably, but if you want to be more than a fringe playoff team or even lower you want to have a strong secondary ball handler / facilitator in the lineup most of the time. Hell you always want one but when your starting pg's weakest skill is probably play making then it becomes more of a requirement than a luxury.

Gambit in your starting line up listed there with Mills who is an above average passer or playmaker for their position? The second unit has fairly weak D and while dedmon is a better defender than gasol LMA is a better defender than Millsap. (Though its not a huge difference).

Also the only way Parker doesn't retire a spur is if he demands a trade or gets offered a retarded sum by another team summer of 2018. Because he will get offered league minimum for his years +1.5 million to be the spurs back-up pg then.... Not because his play will dictate that but because the spurs as an organization don't turn on their hall of fame players.

[TD 21]

A team is taking calls around the trade deadline?

No Way.

:lol

I called it a few weeks ago: If Millsap gets traded, he goes to the Raptors, along with Hardaway Jr., for Sullinger, Ross and Poeltl.

[bic50]

Maybe we can trade all our bad players for all their good players.

[BillMc]

Maybe we can trade all our bad players for all their good players.

RC, is that you?:lol

[bic50]

RC, is that you?:lol
:lol

[tmtcsc]

spurs aren't trading aldridge

hawks aren't trading for parker

let us proceed

Pretty sure they are still feeling the sting of that Splitter sandwich they were fed.

[K...]

^ let's trade parker and you'll see.

KYLE MAGIC JOHNSON ANDERSON, SLO MO Magic

[K...]

Pretty sure they are still feeling the sting of that Splitter sandwich they were fed.

it was a salary dump, we acquired no assets for them to feel butt hurt about.

[gambit1990]

Why would you take Sefo but no Korver?
i would take them both.

didn't include korver cause i was trying to make the trade somewhat realistic :lol

which i think it is.

[DPG21920]

i would take them both.

didn't include korver cause i was trying to make the trade somewhat realistic :lol

which i think it is.

Im here to tell you it's not. Spurs would not give up LMA and TP for that package. It's one of the least realistic trades proposed this year.

[gambit1990]

Im here to tell you it's not. Spurs would not give up LMA and TP for that package. It's one of the least realistic trades proposed this year.
you've mistaken me for someone who cares about what you have to say.

[DPG21920]

you've mistaken me for someone who cares about what you have to say.

You've mistaken yourself for someone who knows the Spurs and that people enjoy reading on here. Doesn't stop you from posting though.

[gambit1990]

Problem is Manu at this point isn't a 25 minutes a night player... and Patty isn't a guy you want on the floor 30+ minutes a game with a 2 who can't handle the ball and a 3 who isn't an above average facilitator. Can patty be a starting pg and a primary ball handler in the NBA? Probably, but if you want to be more than a fringe playoff team or even lower you want to have a strong secondary ball handler / facilitator in the lineup most of the time. Hell you always want one but when your starting pg's weakest skill is probably play making then it becomes more of a requirement than a luxury.

Gambit in your starting line up listed there with Mills who is an above average passer or playmaker for their position? The second unit has fairly weak D and while dedmon is a better defender than gasol LMA is a better defender than Millsap. (Though its not a huge difference).

Also the only way Parker doesn't retire a spur is if he demands a trade or gets offered a retarded sum by another team summer of 2018. Because he will get offered league minimum for his years +1.5 million to be the spurs back-up pg then.... Not because his play will dictate that but because the spurs as an organization don't turn on their hall of fame players.
you make good points.

i'm by no means saying patty is perfect. i definately see what you saying.

a couple reasons why i make that trade:
-let's see what patty can bring to the starting lineup, he should be starting now so the spurs have a really good idea of what to offer this summer
-getting parker's contract off the books

we won't have a great playmaker... but that's the position we're already in.

when parker isn't in the game is when sean says, "this unit really moves the ball." no parker means more ball movement. that's what i want to rely on. not parker.

[gambit1990]

people like dpg are too attached to parker.

spurs are like, 7-2 without him this season. finished last season like, 11-3 without him.

[DPG21920]

you make good points.

i'm by no means saying patty is perfect. i definately see what you saying.

a couple reasons why i make that trade:
-let's see what patty can bring to the starting lineup, he should be starting now so the spurs have a really good idea of what to offer this summer
-getting parker's contract off the books

we won't have a great playmaker... but that's the position we're already in.

when parker isn't in the game is when sean says, "this unit really moves the ball." no parker means more ball movement. that's what i want to rely on. not parker.

Dude, when Mills plays with the same starters TP does, his numbers look worse. TP is not great but he's way better at playmaking than Mills.

Spurs know who Mills is - if he was good enough to be a starter on a playoff team he would be. We saw him vs starters before in the playoffs and the results were bad.

The reason the ball moves when Patty is in is because there is no lumbering bigs with LMA/Pau in and Kawhi to absorb plays/touches.

No one is saying TP is untouchable because of his level of play - it's because nothing proposed is realistic, at a minimum they would need another PG (likely a starter back) if they move him and SA just flat out doesn't seem like they would ever trade TP in the real world.

It's not because we think he's a top 5 player or something.

[tmtcsc]

it was a salary dump, we acquired no assets for them to feel butt hurt about.

Let me make this very clear: WE GAVE THEM A WORTHLESS, UNUSABLE ASSET THAT:

1. TAKES UP A ROSTER SPOT
2. COST $ 16,750,000.

You don't think ownership is butt-hurt over that deal? If I'm a Hawks owner, I'm holding that shit over Budenholzer's head until I fire him. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Spurs fan and eternally grateful for Bud doing us a solid, but lets not get this twisted, we sold them a flat tire.

[gambit1990]

Dude, when Mills plays with the same starters TP does, his numbers look worse.
idk what numbers you're talking about but you make it seem like mills has already been starter for a long enough time to quantify results :lol
writing him off before he gets a chance :lol

[dabom]

idk what numbers you're talking about but you make it seem like mills has already been starter for a long enough time to quantify results :lol
writing him off before he gets a chance :lol

50 minutes is now All the time. He could easily turn it around in another 200 minutes. :lmao

Compare his lineups to porkers and he has the clear cut advantage. :lol

[gambit1990]

spurs AST% is +6 with parker off the court.

[OrEmuN]

If Spurs are making the trade, Murray should start.

Half a season for accelerated growth. Make or break.

But not happening. PATFO will not trade TP.

[gambit1990]

spurs AST% is +10 with patty on the court :lol that's a +16 difference between parker on the court vs patty on the court :wow

[gambit1990]

parker's ORtg on/off: +1
patty's? +6

[gambit1990]

If Spurs are making the trade, Murray should start.

Half a season for accelerated growth. Make or break.

But not happening. PATFO will not trade TP.
not against murray starting. wanted him to start over parker even before the season started.

[ElNono]

I'd love to have Korver, tbh... just difficult to do it without losing Danny

[spursistan]

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[Robz4000]

Saw that coming. He's gonna be scary on the Cavs, but it's also someone the Spurs can hide Parker on.

[elemento]

Weird to see ATL helping CLE.

I wonder what they got here. I I had to guess, think Bud got Cedi Osman rights

[Spur|n|Austin]

Curious as to specifics on the deal and what ATL got in return. Possibly a pick?

[313]

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[Mr. Body]

Millsap to Raptors?

[Robz4000]

Millsap to OKC, calling it now

[gambit1990]

do us a solid bud. something along the lines of parker + lma for millsap.

[gambit1990]

okc should definitely try to get millsap.

[Mr. Body]

do us a solid bud. something along the lines of parker + lma for millsap.

Lol, fuck no.

[spurtech09]

I hear Cavs going to trade for Korver.....Plus cavs taking a look at Mario Chalmers and Rhondo......

[spurtech09]

817184366925324289Korver to Cleveland for crap....

[bluebellmaniac]

Dunleavy?

[YGWHI]

okc should definitely try to get millsap.

Hopefully not. They only need a 2nd quality scorer to become a threat again...

[DPG21920]

Cavs gave up a first round pick for Korver. I think that easily would be the best offer ATL gets for a FA player. Makes sense for CLE too unfortunately with JR Smith out.

[Kawhitstorm]

Millsap to OKC, calling it now

Not sure they are giving up Sabonis for a one year rental unless they are willing to give 32 year old Millsap a 100 mill contract which means they will be capped out w/ a shitty bench.:lol (assuming Kanter is part of the deal)

[Mr. Body]

Yeah I can't see Millsap to the Thunder. They need bargains at that spot.

[ElNono]

offtopic a bit, but is this the Dwight Howard effect, tbh? They're basically blowing it up, for what exactly?

Is Dwight going to stick around a rebuilding team? Does he even gets to choose at this point?

[Maddog]

offtopic a bit, but is this the Dwight Howard effect, tbh? They're basically blowing it up, for what exactly?

Is Dwight going to stick around a rebuilding team? Does he even gets to choose at this point?

Yeah
Or maybe he's history too.
My understanding is they wanted to pair Horford with Howard. Since that failed they are moving on.
I think Bud has a realistic view of things. This team has absolutely no chance of winning a title, now or in the future. However, not sure I understand the Korver deal. His contract isn't horrendous. It expires and they got nothing back>

[gambit1990]

what are teams offering for millsap, thabo?

[Gagnrath]

Thabo should be a fairly high quality back-up wing still. (Though I admit to not paying attention since the incident with the broken leg in NY.). Since Atlanta is fire selling for cap space you think they would take kyle, pau, and a second rounder?

[Mr. Body]

Thabo should be a fairly high quality back-up wing still. (Though I admit to not paying attention since the incident with the broken leg in NY.). Since Atlanta is fire selling for cap space you think they would take kyle, pau, and a second rounder?

Why the fuck would the Spurs do that?

[gambit1990]

wrong post

[Ice009]

Thabo should be a fairly high quality back-up wing still. (Though I admit to not paying attention since the incident with the broken leg in NY.). Since Atlanta is fire selling for cap space you think they would take kyle, pau, and a second rounder?

LOL. You want to trade all those players for Thabo?

[Gagnrath]

Two players and a late second round pick isn't bad since he would be an upgrade. Manu is likely gone next year and Anderson gives the spurs what? Pau is for a rebuilding team pretty much an expiring contract for chasing free agents. Thabo fills the hole at backup 3 and helps eat minutes at 2. The only downside is it leaves the bio rotation a bit thin and might stunt Simmons development though quality rotation backup 2 is I think his ceiling.

[spursistan]

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:lol..

"6 game-winning steak". "Hawks back to contention" :cry

[TD 21]

Probably a negotiating ploy to get teams to up their offers.

[MaNu4Tres]

Probably a negotiating ploy to get teams to up their offers.

This.

It's a leverage ploy that won't work.

Look for a deal to likely be done around the deadline still. Teams will now use time as leverage and wait til the last minute when the Hawks have to inevitably bend over since Millsaps value isn't as high as people think (market dynamics -- 2-3 month rental -- inevitable max due for 32 y/o undersized All -Star PF -- Teams won't like paying him the max but one will)

[Russ]

I've always imagined Korver in a Spurs uniform. Could lead to a ring.

But in reality, I just don't see it.

Korver looking pretty good for the Cavs about now . . .

[gambit1990]

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spurs take back splitter's contract. hawks get an all star and a champion proven whatever tony parker.

But...we still need a PG.

the team will rely on defense. the offense will take care of itself.

that trade takes parker off next year's books. so we'll have money for this summer.

The offense will take care of itself? What?

How the hell does an offense take care of itself?
spurs offense without parker is nothing :cry:cry:cry

:lmao

[Hoops Czar]

spurs offense without parker is nothing :cry:cry:cry

:lmao

What about that Spurs offense without Kawhi? :lol

[gambit1990]

What about that Spurs offense without Kawhi? :lol
a) that was one game
b) that furthers the point that i made, about how the offense would take care of itself

spurs need kawhi to have a chance against GS. can't say the same thing about tony.

[Hoops Czar]

a) that was one game
b) that furthers the point that i made, about how the offense would take care of itself

spurs need kawhi to have a chance against GS. can't say the same thing about tony.

Well, Parker's been missing four games and in only one of those games did the offense look like a runaway freight train against a below average defense. Guess who else was missing in that game? :lol

[gambit1990]

Well, Parker's been missing four games and in only one of those games did the offense look like a runaway freight train against a below average defense. Guess who else was missing in that game? :lol
it is incredible how much you are missing the point.

[Hoops Czar]

it is incredible how much you are missing the point.

Nah, you're just trying to find any excuse in the book to discredit Parker even when he's playing well because that's your schtik and the reason behind your existence.

[gambit1990]

Nah, you're just trying to find any excuse in the book to discredit Parker even when he's playing well because that's your schtik and the reason behind your existence.
:lol

i was right when i said the spurs offense doesn't need tony.


tony's defensive rating was 120... which was the 15th best out of the 15 spurs who played in the rockets series.

the spurs don't need him defensively either.