Just when you think you're out, he pulls you back in. Parker thread.

[midnightpulp]

No wonder this dude is such a ladies man :lol

He's been playing well lately, averaging 18 and 5 dimes on 51% over his last 4, and 12ppg on 48% over his last 10, which is more than acceptable.

Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he holds up like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board. Patty House is not a fuckin' starter, and the rubes who back him as one need to get that through their thick skulls. Patty is also back to his 1 good game out of every 5 routine. He's just not consistent enough. He's also too short to defend like 99% of the starting PGs in the league. :tu as a backup, but that's it.

I do wish we had another option, of course. A strained ass cheek here or a tummy ache there, and Parker's game falls off a cliff. But we don't, so like last year, I'm willing to gamble. If he can give us that consistent 12-13ppg on good efficiency, while the rest play up to par, we have a puncher's chance.

[FkLA]

No.

[GSH]

Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he holds up like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board.


Welcome to MidnightPulp's fantasy night:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51ABhJx8NIL.jpg

[midnightpulp]

No.

What's the other option?

Patty House as a starter? :lmao

[dabom]

:lmao

[dabom]

This guy still betting on porker? :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

One of the best threads in some time tbh...

[timtonymanu]

Mids right about Patty though. He's inconsistent and virtually useless if he's not hitting shots. Parkers exactly in that same mold though, don't get me wrong. And I think Patty on his best night >>> Parker on his best night but neither of them should be the starting PG. they aren't even all star level players.

[FkLA]

What's the other option?

Patty House as a starter? :lmao

The other option may not work either. But I'd rather go down with that ship, then with one that has Enrique leading the team in FGAs/usage. I've seen that movie enough times to know it's not going to end well. Even moreso now that it's 2017.

[midnightpulp]

This guy still betting on porker? :lmao

The team tried to bet on Patty House last season against OKC.

This happened:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/nfi87a.jpg

You idiots think I'm supporting Parker out of some fanboyism. Nope. I was the ORIGINAL Parker detractor. But unfortunately, we have no other choice because the FO didn't/couldn't sign a legit PG who could possibly challenge Parker for the starting position. Get it through your head(s) that Patty House is a 5'9" shooting guard who isn't a realistic solution to some of the problems Parker presents. I like him as a player, and he's perfect in his microwave role, but he isn't a PG.

[FkLA]

Mids right about Patty though. He's inconsistent and virtually useless if he's not hitting shots. Parkers exactly in that same mold though, don't get me wrong. And I think Patty on his best night >>> Parker on his best night but neither of them should be the starting PG. they aren't even all star level players.

Paddy plays his complimentary role better and that's what matters because our best bet is a Kawhi/LMA centric offense.

Porker can't play well and still allow the offense to be centered around Kawhi/LMA. His ego doesn't allow it. He plays well and he's going to rack up shots and try to be a closer. That's just who he is. I'm not looking to go back down that road again, tbh.

[spursistan]

Spurs would be foolish to pay anything above 10 millions for Mills..It isn't exactly like he is 22..Perfect teammate and plays hard, but we need better long-term solution at Point..I really think Parker could be a good bench guy maximizing his touch against 2nd units...

[dabom]

The team tried to bet on Patty House last season against OKC.

This happened:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/nfi87a.jpg

You idiots think I'm supporting Parker out of some fanboyism. Nope. I was the ORIGINAL Parker detractor. But unfortunately, we have no other choice because the FO didn't/couldn't sign a legit PG who could possibly challenge Parker for the starting position. Get it through your head(s) that Patty House is a 5'9" shooting guard who isn't a realistic solution to some of the problems Parker presents. I like him as a player, and he's perfect in his microwave role, but he isn't a PG.

He's nothing like last year. He's been amazing in 2014 and 2015 and played with fathead, manu, diaw, and dwest. :lmao

Are you gonna be here every fucking time I bump this shitty thread? :lmao

[dabom]

Spurs would be foolish to pay anything above 10 millions for Mills..It isn't exactly like he is 22..Perfect teammate and plays hard, but we need better long-term solution at Point..I really think Parker could be a good bench guy maximizing his touch against 2nd units...

Excessive use of periods. You said nothing faggot. :lmao

[Ice009]

10 million is the number I'd offer Patty. If he wants more, I might stretch it out a little bit, but if he says "no," then it's "see you later."

[dabom]

1
Chris Paul (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), PG
LAC
31
31.5
6.13
2.96
9.09
7.43


2
Giannis Antetokounmpo (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032977/giannis-antetokounmpo), SF
MIL
32
35.0
3.30
3.87
7.17
6.64


3
LeBron James (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james), SF
CLE
29
37.1
5.54
1.59
7.13
6.49


4
Kyle Lowry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry), PG
TOR
32
37.1
6.40
0.44
6.84
6.90


5
James Harden (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden), SG
HOU
35
36.4
7.45
-1.07
6.38
7.21


6
Draymond Green (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), PF
GS
32
32.8
2.13
4.16
6.29
6.21


7
Russell Westbrook (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook), PG
OKC
34
34.6
7.07
-0.79
6.28
6.69


8
Jimmy Butler (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6430/jimmy-butler), SF
CHI
34
36.5
5.14
1.08
6.22
6.71


9
Kawhi Leonard (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard), SF
SA
31
33.5
5.05
1.06
6.11
5.97


10
Kevin Durant (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant), SF
GS
34
34.2
3.78
2.20
5.98
6.58


11
Stephen Curry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
GS
34
33.2
5.94
-0.07
5.87
6.46


12
DeMarcus Cousins (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4258/demarcus-cousins), PF
SAC
32
34.8
4.48
1.06
5.54
5.61


13
Kevin Love (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love), PF
CLE
29
32.0
3.38
2.08
5.46
4.71


14
Paul Millsap (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3015/paul-millsap), PF
ATL
30
33.6
1.13
3.67
4.80
4.73


15
Marc Gasol (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3206/marc-gasol), C
MEM
34
33.5
2.59
1.82
4.41
4.69


16
Nikola Jokic (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3112335/nikola-jokic), PF
DEN
30
24.4
2.20
2.05
4.25
3.16


17
Trevor Ariza (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2426/trevor-ariza), SF
HOU
35
33.5
2.17
2.03
4.20
5.09


18
Rudy Gobert (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032976/rudy-gobert), C
UTAH
34
33.0
-0.97
4.79
3.82
4.25


19
Otto Porter Jr. (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2594922/otto-porter-jr.), SF
WSH
32
33.7
2.52
1.24
3.76
4.39


20
Patrick Patterson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4264/patrick-patterson), PF
TOR
31
28.4
2.00
1.52
3.52
3.47


21
Anthony Davis (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis), PF
NO
33
37.2
1.24
2.24
3.48
4.86


22
Lucas Nogueira (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032980/lucas-nogueira), C
TOR
25
19.3
0.82
2.64
3.46
1.84


23
Al Horford (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3213/al-horford), C
BOS
24
32.9
1.34
2.10
3.44
2.91


24
John Wall (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall), PG
WSH
30
36.2
3.73
-0.35
3.38
4.23


25
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2581018/kentavious-caldwell-pope), SG
DET
34
33.5
2.74
0.54
3.28
4.34


26
Kemba Walker (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker), PG
CHA
33
33.4
3.84
-0.79
3.05
3.89


27
Patty Mills (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills), PG
SA
33
22.6
3.77
-0.73
3.04
2.77






RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM)
DRPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM)
RPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM)
WINS (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS)


321
Caris LeVert (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991043/caris-levert), SG
BKN
12
15.5
-1.67
-0.31
-1.98
0.11


322
Brandon Jennings (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings), PG
NY
33
24.2
-0.51
-1.49
-2.00
0.51


323
Joe Harris (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2528794/joe-harris), SF
BKN
30
23.5
-0.94
-1.06
-2.00
0.54


324
Omri Casspi (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3554/omri-casspi), SF
SAC
19
18.7
-1.73
-0.28
-2.01
0.23


325
Jose Calderon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2806/jose-calderon), PG
LAL
14
13.9
-1.18
-0.84
-2.02
0.13


326
Hollis Thompson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6634/hollis-thompson), SF
PHI
30
18.6
-0.82
-1.22
-2.04
0.35


327
Michael Gbinije (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2566747/michael-gbinije), SG
DET
8
3.6
-1.61
-0.43
-2.04
0.02


328
Tony Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker), PG
SA
24
25.5
-1.29
-0.76
-2.05
0.37


329
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3893019/timothe-luwawu-cabarrot), SG
PHI
20
7.4
-2.03
-0.02
-2.05
0.09


330
John Lucas III (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2866/john-lucas-iii), PG
MIN
5
2.2
-1.40
-0.66
-2.06
0.01


331
Anthony Bennett (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991473/anthony-bennett), PF
BKN
22
11.9
-0.72
-1.37
-2.09
0.18


332
T.J. McConnell (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2530530/t.j.-mcconnell), PG
PHI
32
20.4
-2.20
0.09
-2.11
0.39




:lmao

[YGWHI]

I don't care who starts the games.

But I just want that Kawhi -not this Kawhi of tonight game, the real one- and LMA gets more touches and shots than Parker.

If that means they need to play along with Mills because Parker has taken more shots than them in the last 5 games, then Mills is the answer.

[midnightpulp]

Paddy plays his complimentary role better and that's what matters because our best bet is a Kawhi/LMA centric offense.

Porker can't play well and still allow the offense to be centered around Kawhi/LMA. His ego doesn't allow it. He plays well and he's going to rack up shots and try to be a closer. That's just who he is. I'm not looking to go back down that road again, tbh.

All opposing teams would do is swarm that scheme into turnovers and bad shots. LMA and Kawhi are poor-to-average playmakers and passers from double teams, so totally removing Parker from the SL also removes 80% of their playmaking. Yeah, Parker has tunnel vision and isn't Magic Johnson, but compared to the playmaking abilities of LMA, Kawhi, and D-League, he might as well be. And Parker, even at his age and miles, is still the best penetrator on the team, which isn't saying much, since this team doesn't really have any speed aside from Simmons, but it is what it is.

I would totally be on board with Patty starting if we had a playmaking/penetrating SG in the SL, but we don't. This is another reason why Manu playing well is so important. He solves a lot problems when he's not in "Manure" mode.

[dabom]

OP :lmao

[dabom]

Page 9. :lmao

[dabom]

Turd Option. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

He's nothing like last year. He's been amazing in 2014 and 2015 and played with fathead, manu, diaw, and dwest. :lmao

Are you gonna be here every fucking time I bump this shitty thread? :lmao

I can't believe you're still not fuckin' humbled. Patty got his "shot" against OKC last season.

And what did he do? Missed a wide open game winner and just generally stunk the joint up.

This is how it goes with "microwave" players. They have terrible consistency. Look at Lou Williams (on fire in November and some of December, now coming back down to Earth), Jamal Crawford, Jarrett Jack, etc.

[dabom]

I can't believe you're still not fuckin' humbled. Patty got his "shot" against OKC last season.

And what did he do? Missed a wide open game winner and just generally stunk the joint up.

This is how is goes with "microwave" players. They have terrible consistency. Look at Lou Williams (on fire in November and some of December, now coming back down to Earth), Jamal Crawford, Jarrett Jack, etc.

Talk about humbled when Parker has been a FUCKING CANCER the last 3 playoff years. Even when we won with him. :lmao

And you still betting on a 4 game sample size. Well fucking be humbled already.

Thinking this Patty is like last years patty. :lmao

WAY BETTER than porker. :lmao

[dabom]

1
Chris Paul (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), PG
LAC
31
31.5
6.13
2.96
9.09
7.43


2
Giannis Antetokounmpo (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032977/giannis-antetokounmpo), SF
MIL
32
35.0
3.30
3.87
7.17
6.64


3
LeBron James (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james), SF
CLE
29
37.1
5.54
1.59
7.13
6.49


4
Kyle Lowry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry), PG
TOR
32
37.1
6.40
0.44
6.84
6.90


5
James Harden (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden), SG
HOU
35
36.4
7.45
-1.07
6.38
7.21


6
Draymond Green (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), PF
GS
32
32.8
2.13
4.16
6.29
6.21


7
Russell Westbrook (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook), PG
OKC
34
34.6
7.07
-0.79
6.28
6.69


8
Jimmy Butler (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6430/jimmy-butler), SF
CHI
34
36.5
5.14
1.08
6.22
6.71


9
Kawhi Leonard (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard), SF
SA
31
33.5
5.05
1.06
6.11
5.97


10
Kevin Durant (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant), SF
GS
34
34.2
3.78
2.20
5.98
6.58


11
Stephen Curry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
GS
34
33.2
5.94
-0.07
5.87
6.46


12
DeMarcus Cousins (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4258/demarcus-cousins), PF
SAC
32
34.8
4.48
1.06
5.54
5.61


13
Kevin Love (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love), PF
CLE
29
32.0
3.38
2.08
5.46
4.71


14
Paul Millsap (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3015/paul-millsap), PF
ATL
30
33.6
1.13
3.67
4.80
4.73


15
Marc Gasol (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3206/marc-gasol), C
MEM
34
33.5
2.59
1.82
4.41
4.69


16
Nikola Jokic (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3112335/nikola-jokic), PF
DEN
30
24.4
2.20
2.05
4.25
3.16


17
Trevor Ariza (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2426/trevor-ariza), SF
HOU
35
33.5
2.17
2.03
4.20
5.09


18
Rudy Gobert (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032976/rudy-gobert), C
UTAH
34
33.0
-0.97
4.79
3.82
4.25


19
Otto Porter Jr. (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2594922/otto-porter-jr.), SF
WSH
32
33.7
2.52
1.24
3.76
4.39


20
Patrick Patterson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4264/patrick-patterson), PF
TOR
31
28.4
2.00
1.52
3.52
3.47


21
Anthony Davis (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis), PF
NO
33
37.2
1.24
2.24
3.48
4.86


22
Lucas Nogueira (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032980/lucas-nogueira), C
TOR
25
19.3
0.82
2.64
3.46
1.84


23
Al Horford (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3213/al-horford), C
BOS
24
32.9
1.34
2.10
3.44
2.91


24
John Wall (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall), PG
WSH
30
36.2
3.73
-0.35
3.38
4.23


25
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2581018/kentavious-caldwell-pope), SG
DET
34
33.5
2.74
0.54
3.28
4.34


26
Kemba Walker (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker), PG
CHA
33
33.4
3.84
-0.79
3.05
3.89


27
Patty Mills (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills), PG
SA
33
22.6
3.77
-0.73
3.04
2.77






RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM)
DRPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM)
RPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM)
WINS (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS)


321
Caris LeVert (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991043/caris-levert), SG
BKN
12
15.5
-1.67
-0.31
-1.98
0.11


322
Brandon Jennings (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings), PG
NY
33
24.2
-0.51
-1.49
-2.00
0.51


323
Joe Harris (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2528794/joe-harris), SF
BKN
30
23.5
-0.94
-1.06
-2.00
0.54


324
Omri Casspi (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3554/omri-casspi), SF
SAC
19
18.7
-1.73
-0.28
-2.01
0.23


325
Jose Calderon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2806/jose-calderon), PG
LAL
14
13.9
-1.18
-0.84
-2.02
0.13


326
Hollis Thompson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6634/hollis-thompson), SF
PHI
30
18.6
-0.82
-1.22
-2.04
0.35


327
Michael Gbinije (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2566747/michael-gbinije), SG
DET
8
3.6
-1.61
-0.43
-2.04
0.02


328
Tony Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker), PG
SA
24
25.5
-1.29
-0.76
-2.05
0.37


329
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3893019/timothe-luwawu-cabarrot), SG
PHI
20
7.4
-2.03
-0.02
-2.05
0.09


330
John Lucas III (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2866/john-lucas-iii), PG
MIN
5
2.2
-1.40
-0.66
-2.06
0.01


331
Anthony Bennett (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991473/anthony-bennett), PF
BKN
22
11.9
-0.72
-1.37
-2.09
0.18


332
T.J. McConnell (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2530530/t.j.-mcconnell), PG
PHI
32
20.4
-2.20
0.09
-2.11
0.39




:lmao

[Ice009]

I don't care who starts the games.

But I just want that Kawhi -not this Kawhi of tonight game, the real one- and LMA gets more touches and shots than Parker.

If that means they need to play along with Mills because Parker has taken more shots than them in the last 5 games, then Mills is the answer.

That's a decent enough reason to play Mills more. Parker cannot be taking more shots than Kawhi and LA against any decent team.

[midnightpulp]

Talk about humbled when Parker has been a FUCKING CANCER the last 3 playoff years. Even when we won with him. :lmao

And you still betting on a 4 game sample size. Well fucking be humbled already.

Thinking this Patty is like last years patty. :lmao

WAY BETTER than porker. :lmao

Parker was good against OKC. Patty was the worst player in the series, actually.

But what you still don't get is that House isn't a "cure."

You want Patty to start so badly, then call Pop and tell him to move D-League for an SG that can do more than just stand at the 3 point line and spot up. This team has no penetrating and playmaking guards aside from Manu, who is "Turnobili" half the time, so the only option is to literally "gamble" on Parker and hope he finds a gear. Let House excel at what he does best.....

https://www.colourbox.com/preview/9178636-cute-cartoon-microwave-oven.jpg

[TheGreatYacht]

Embarrassing stuff when you can't even go off and the player guarding you is Cameron Payne.....

[Ice009]

You know, come to think of it, the Spurs might be able to trade Parker this season if he can keep this kind of play up.

[dabom]

Parker was good against OKC. Patty was the worst player in the series, actually.

But what you still don't get is that House isn't a "cure."

You want Patty to start so badly, then call Pop and tell him to move D-League for an SG that can do more than just stand at the 3 point line and spot up. This team has no penetrating and playmaking guards aside from Manu, who is "Turnobili" half the time, so the only option is to literally "gamble" on Parker and hope he finds a gear. Let House excel at what he does best.....

https://www.colourbox.com/preview/9178636-cute-cartoon-microwave-oven.jpg

Spurs have gambled on porker. Look at 2015. And he was trash last year too. He isn't getting better stupid fuck. There is just giving your money away though if you like on porker. :lmao

You're a smart guy. But it seems last years Turd Option still got you hooked. :lmao

[TheGreatYacht]

My nigga RD2191 was right about Paddy, props tbh..

[ElNono]

Tony doesn't matter tbh... it's evident that the Spurs can't survive a bad night from LMA/Kawhi against relatively good teams (which are not many, tbh). It makes complete sense, based on how this team is built.

[dabom]

1
Chris Paul (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), PG
LAC
31
31.5
6.13
2.96
9.09
7.43


2
Giannis Antetokounmpo (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032977/giannis-antetokounmpo), SF
MIL
32
35.0
3.30
3.87
7.17
6.64


3
LeBron James (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james), SF
CLE
29
37.1
5.54
1.59
7.13
6.49


4
Kyle Lowry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry), PG
TOR
32
37.1
6.40
0.44
6.84
6.90


5
James Harden (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden), SG
HOU
35
36.4
7.45
-1.07
6.38
7.21


6
Draymond Green (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), PF
GS
32
32.8
2.13
4.16
6.29
6.21


7
Russell Westbrook (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook), PG
OKC
34
34.6
7.07
-0.79
6.28
6.69


8
Jimmy Butler (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6430/jimmy-butler), SF
CHI
34
36.5
5.14
1.08
6.22
6.71


9
Kawhi Leonard (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard), SF
SA
31
33.5
5.05
1.06
6.11
5.97


10
Kevin Durant (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant), SF
GS
34
34.2
3.78
2.20
5.98
6.58


11
Stephen Curry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
GS
34
33.2
5.94
-0.07
5.87
6.46


12
DeMarcus Cousins (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4258/demarcus-cousins), PF
SAC
32
34.8
4.48
1.06
5.54
5.61


13
Kevin Love (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love), PF
CLE
29
32.0
3.38
2.08
5.46
4.71


14
Paul Millsap (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3015/paul-millsap), PF
ATL
30
33.6
1.13
3.67
4.80
4.73


15
Marc Gasol (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3206/marc-gasol), C
MEM
34
33.5
2.59
1.82
4.41
4.69


16
Nikola Jokic (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3112335/nikola-jokic), PF
DEN
30
24.4
2.20
2.05
4.25
3.16


17
Trevor Ariza (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2426/trevor-ariza), SF
HOU
35
33.5
2.17
2.03
4.20
5.09


18
Rudy Gobert (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032976/rudy-gobert), C
UTAH
34
33.0
-0.97
4.79
3.82
4.25


19
Otto Porter Jr. (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2594922/otto-porter-jr.), SF
WSH
32
33.7
2.52
1.24
3.76
4.39


20
Patrick Patterson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4264/patrick-patterson), PF
TOR
31
28.4
2.00
1.52
3.52
3.47


21
Anthony Davis (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis), PF
NO
33
37.2
1.24
2.24
3.48
4.86


22
Lucas Nogueira (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032980/lucas-nogueira), C
TOR
25
19.3
0.82
2.64
3.46
1.84


23
Al Horford (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3213/al-horford), C
BOS
24
32.9
1.34
2.10
3.44
2.91


24
John Wall (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall), PG
WSH
30
36.2
3.73
-0.35
3.38
4.23


25
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2581018/kentavious-caldwell-pope), SG
DET
34
33.5
2.74
0.54
3.28
4.34


26
Kemba Walker (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker), PG
CHA
33
33.4
3.84
-0.79
3.05
3.89


27
Patty Mills (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills), PG
SA
33
22.6
3.77
-0.73
3.04
2.77






RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM)
DRPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM)
RPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM)
WINS (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS)


321
Caris LeVert (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991043/caris-levert), SG
BKN
12
15.5
-1.67
-0.31
-1.98
0.11


322
Brandon Jennings (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings), PG
NY
33
24.2
-0.51
-1.49
-2.00
0.51


323
Joe Harris (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2528794/joe-harris), SF
BKN
30
23.5
-0.94
-1.06
-2.00
0.54


324
Omri Casspi (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3554/omri-casspi), SF
SAC
19
18.7
-1.73
-0.28
-2.01
0.23


325
Jose Calderon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2806/jose-calderon), PG
LAL
14
13.9
-1.18
-0.84
-2.02
0.13


326
Hollis Thompson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6634/hollis-thompson), SF
PHI
30
18.6
-0.82
-1.22
-2.04
0.35


327
Michael Gbinije (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2566747/michael-gbinije), SG
DET
8
3.6
-1.61
-0.43
-2.04
0.02


328
Tony Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker), PG
SA
24
25.5
-1.29
-0.76
-2.05
0.37


329
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3893019/timothe-luwawu-cabarrot), SG
PHI
20
7.4
-2.03
-0.02
-2.05
0.09


330
John Lucas III (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2866/john-lucas-iii), PG
MIN
5
2.2
-1.40
-0.66
-2.06
0.01


331
Anthony Bennett (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991473/anthony-bennett), PF
BKN
22
11.9
-0.72
-1.37
-2.09
0.18


332
T.J. McConnell (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2530530/t.j.-mcconnell), PG
PHI
32
20.4
-2.20
0.09
-2.11
0.39




:lmao

[midnightpulp]

Spurs have gambled on porker. Look at 2015. And he was trash last year too. He isn't getting better stupid fuck. There is just giving your money away though if you like on porker. :lmao

You're a smart guy. But it seems last years Turd Option still got you hooked. :lmao

Yes, and they need to continue to do so, since they have no other choice. Indeed, it's their fault for not developing/signing a REAL PG as insurance, but this is the corner they painted themselves into. You still don't get it. While Parker might be a bad gamble, Patty is a worse one, since, you know, he's not a PG. Furthermore, what he does off the bench is huge for the team, meaning starting House will simply create another problem - a shallow bench, translating into more blown leads and such, meaning more demands placed on the starters. Parker would be a terrible fit with the bench. He needs spacing, and sans Patty, there isn't a consistent shooter on the unit.

You guys don't think beyond comparing the statlines of each player. Again, you want House to start, call Pop and tell him to get a playmaking SG in the SL.

That said, Patty works well as the...

http://oi63.tinypic.com/oi7v4.jpg

Just accept his role, bro.

[dabom]

Yes, and they need to continue to do so, since they have no other choice. Indeed, it's their fault for not developing/signing a REAL PG as insurance, but this is the corner they painted themselves into. You still don't get it. While Parker might be a bad gamble, Patty is a worse one, since, you know, he's not a PG. Furthermore, what he does off the bench is huge for the team, meaning starting House will simply create another problem - a shallow bench, translating into more blown leads and such, meaning more demands placed on the starters. Parker would be a terrible fit with the bench. He needs spacing, and sans Patty, there isn't a consistent shooter on the unit.

You guys don't think beyond comparing the statlines of each player. Again, you want House to start, call Pop and tell him to get a playmaking SG in the SL.

That said, Patty works well as the...

http://oi63.tinypic.com/oi7v4.jpg

Just accept his role, bro.

Except he plays great with Kawhi. We'd blow teams out in the playoffs and wouldn't rely in our bench in the playoffs much anyways. Faggot. :lmao

Thinking gambling on porker is a winning formula. Faggot. :lmao

[RD2191]

My nigga RD2191 was right about Paddy, props tbh..

Thanks for the shout out bruh. :toast

[dabom]

1
Chris Paul (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), PG
LAC
31
31.5
6.13
2.96
9.09
7.43


2
Giannis Antetokounmpo (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032977/giannis-antetokounmpo), SF
MIL
32
35.0
3.30
3.87
7.17
6.64


3
LeBron James (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james), SF
CLE
29
37.1
5.54
1.59
7.13
6.49


4
Kyle Lowry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry), PG
TOR
32
37.1
6.40
0.44
6.84
6.90


5
James Harden (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden), SG
HOU
35
36.4
7.45
-1.07
6.38
7.21


6
Draymond Green (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6589/draymond-green), PF
GS
32
32.8
2.13
4.16
6.29
6.21


7
Russell Westbrook (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook), PG
OKC
34
34.6
7.07
-0.79
6.28
6.69


8
Jimmy Butler (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6430/jimmy-butler), SF
CHI
34
36.5
5.14
1.08
6.22
6.71


9
Kawhi Leonard (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard), SF
SA
31
33.5
5.05
1.06
6.11
5.97


10
Kevin Durant (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant), SF
GS
34
34.2
3.78
2.20
5.98
6.58


11
Stephen Curry (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry), PG
GS
34
33.2
5.94
-0.07
5.87
6.46


12
DeMarcus Cousins (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4258/demarcus-cousins), PF
SAC
32
34.8
4.48
1.06
5.54
5.61


13
Kevin Love (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3449/kevin-love), PF
CLE
29
32.0
3.38
2.08
5.46
4.71


14
Paul Millsap (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3015/paul-millsap), PF
ATL
30
33.6
1.13
3.67
4.80
4.73


15
Marc Gasol (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3206/marc-gasol), C
MEM
34
33.5
2.59
1.82
4.41
4.69


16
Nikola Jokic (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3112335/nikola-jokic), PF
DEN
30
24.4
2.20
2.05
4.25
3.16


17
Trevor Ariza (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2426/trevor-ariza), SF
HOU
35
33.5
2.17
2.03
4.20
5.09


18
Rudy Gobert (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032976/rudy-gobert), C
UTAH
34
33.0
-0.97
4.79
3.82
4.25


19
Otto Porter Jr. (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2594922/otto-porter-jr.), SF
WSH
32
33.7
2.52
1.24
3.76
4.39


20
Patrick Patterson (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4264/patrick-patterson), PF
TOR
31
28.4
2.00
1.52
3.52
3.47


21
Anthony Davis (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6583/anthony-davis), PF
NO
33
37.2
1.24
2.24
3.48
4.86


22
Lucas Nogueira (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3032980/lucas-nogueira), C
TOR
25
19.3
0.82
2.64
3.46
1.84


23
Al Horford (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3213/al-horford), C
BOS
24
32.9
1.34
2.10
3.44
2.91


24
John Wall (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4237/john-wall), PG
WSH
30
36.2
3.73
-0.35
3.38
4.23


25
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2581018/kentavious-caldwell-pope), SG
DET
34
33.5
2.74
0.54
3.28
4.34


26
Kemba Walker (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6479/kemba-walker), PG
CHA
33
33.4
3.84
-0.79
3.05
3.89


27
Patty Mills (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills), PG
SA
33
22.6
3.77
-0.73
3.04
2.77






RK
NAME
TEAM
GP
MPG
ORPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/ORPM)
DRPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM)
RPM (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM)
WINS (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS)


321
Caris LeVert (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991043/caris-levert), SG
BKN
12
15.5
-1.67
-0.31
-1.98
0.11


322
Brandon Jennings (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3997/brandon-jennings), PG
NY
33
24.2
-0.51
-1.49
-2.00
0.51


323
Joe Harris (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2528794/joe-harris), SF
BKN
30
23.5
-0.94
-1.06
-2.00
0.54


324
Omri Casspi (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3554/omri-casspi), SF
SAC
19
18.7
-1.73
-0.28
-2.01
0.23


325
Jose Calderon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2806/jose-calderon), PG
LAL
14
13.9
-1.18
-0.84
-2.02
0.13


326
Hollis Thompson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6634/hollis-thompson), SF
PHI
30
18.6
-0.82
-1.22
-2.04
0.35


327
Michael Gbinije (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2566747/michael-gbinije), SG
DET
8
3.6
-1.61
-0.43
-2.04
0.02


328
Tony Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker), PG
SA
24
25.5
-1.29
-0.76
-2.05
0.37


329
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3893019/timothe-luwawu-cabarrot), SG
PHI
20
7.4
-2.03
-0.02
-2.05
0.09


330
John Lucas III (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2866/john-lucas-iii), PG
MIN
5
2.2
-1.40
-0.66
-2.06
0.01


331
Anthony Bennett (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2991473/anthony-bennett), PF
BKN
22
11.9
-0.72
-1.37
-2.09
0.18


332
T.J. McConnell (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2530530/t.j.-mcconnell), PG
PHI
32
20.4
-2.20
0.09
-2.11
0.39




:lmao

[Mikeanaro]

Porker killed us in OT.

[FkLA]

Tony doesn't matter tbh... it's evident that the Spurs can't survive a bad night from LMA/Kawhi against relatively good teams (which are not many, tbh). It makes complete sense, based on how this team is built.

This. He really doesn't fucking matter. The team is a Kawhi/LMA centric offense, has been for two years. Not the prettiest style in today's NBA but it's our best chance. That's what we need to gamble on not on a 35 year old PG, who's known for heroballing having a high usage rate. Paddy is a better option, not because he's a better pure PG or playmaker but because he compliments the offense we have in place best. Or at the very least knows his role.

I mean Enrique would matter if he was someone that was ok with just helping shoulder the load. Sort of what Manu does when he's having a good game. That's not Enrique though, it never has been. If he plays well he'll try to force his way into having just as prominent of a role as Kawhi/LMA. Him having a major role was a disaster in 2015 and it'll be an even bigger one now.

[FkLA]

But honestly after some time to cool off, both sides are overreacting.

Like mid said, he's a sore asscheek away from reverting back to player we all love to hate. It's pretty foolish for people to think he'll keep playing well and it was equally foolish on my part to think he's capable of forcing his way into a major role. Washed up players show glimpses of what they once were all the time. It's being consistent that's the problem for them.

[midnightpulp]

Except he plays great with Kawhi. We'd blow teams out in the playoffs and wouldn't rely in our bench in the playoffs much anyways. Faggot. :lmao

Thinking gambling on porker is a winning formula. Faggot. :lmao

Do you do any research?

Mills is decidedly worse when entering for Parker straight up.

-10 vs. +60 :lmao

http://i.imgur.com/OLkZI50.jpg

Now look at the unit with the second most minutes, our main bench unit. See how effective they are? Essentially blow games open/make up scoring. Removing House from that equation would kill that unit.

Furthermore, units with House/Manu don't even perform that well with the starters. Strangely, House and Fathead at the PG and SG perform best among the starters, which proves my theory that for House to be an effective starter, he needs to be paired with a playmaking SG that isn't 70 years old. Though the House/Manu pairing destroys other bench units, again proving my theory that House functions best alongside a playmaking SG.

Once again, you want House starting, tell Pop to bench D-League in favor of someone who can penetrate/playmake.

[dabom]

Do you do any research?

Mills is decidedly worse when entering for Parker straight up.

-10 vs. +60 :lmao

http://i.imgur.com/OLkZI50.jpg

Now look at the unit with the second most minutes, our main bench unit. See how effective they are? Essentially blow games open/make up scoring. Removing House from that equation would kill that unit.

Furthermore, units with House/Manu don't even perform that well with the starters. Strangely, House and Fathead at the PG and SG perform best among the starters, which proves my theory that for House to be an effective starter, he needs to be paired with a playmaking SG that isn't 70 years old. Though the House/Manu pairing destroys other bench units, again proving my theory that House functions best alongside a playmaking SG.

Once again, you want House starting, tell Pop to bench D-League in favor of someone who can penetrate/playmake.

The starting unit lost 1 player. The second unit has changed 3 guys. :lmao

Sample size. :lmao

Show the splits with Kawhi and Patty. :lmao

[dabom]

Why did you post a pic and not a link? :lmao

[Hoops Czar]

No wonder this dude is such a ladies man :lol

He's been playing well lately, averaging 18 and 5 dimes on 51% over his last 4, and 12ppg on 48% over his last 10, which is more than acceptable.

Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he holds up like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board. Patty House is not a fuckin' starter, and the rubes who back him as one need to get that through their thick skulls. Patty is also back to his 1 good game out of every 5 routine. He's just not consistent enough. He's also too short to defend like 99% of the starting PGs in the league. :tu as a backup, but that's it.

I do wish we had another option, of course. A strained ass cheek here or a tummy ache there, and Parker's game falls off a cliff. But we don't, so like last year, I'm willing to gamble. If he can give us that consistent 12-13ppg on good efficiency, while the rest play up to par, we have a puncher's chance.

Well said :toast. My thoughts on Kawhi are just the opposite. Just when you think you're in, he pulls you out again. No wonder why he's an introvert. Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he learns how to hit a layup in the clutch like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board. Kyle Anderson is not a fuckin' starter, and the rubes who back him as one need to get that through their thick skulls. I do wish we had another option, of course. A sore tooth here or swamp ass there, and Kawhi's game falls off a cliff.

[dabom]

Do you do any research?

Mills is decidedly worse when entering for Parker straight up.

-10 vs. +60 :lmao

http://i.imgur.com/OLkZI50.jpg

Now look at the unit with the second most minutes, our main bench unit. See how effective they are? Essentially blow games open/make up scoring. Removing House from that equation would kill that unit.

Furthermore, units with House/Manu don't even perform that well with the starters. Strangely, House and Fathead at the PG and SG perform best among the starters, which proves my theory that for House to be an effective starter, he needs to be paired with a playmaking SG that isn't 70 years old. Though the House/Manu pairing destroys other bench units, again proving my theory that House functions best alongside a playmaking SG.

Once again, you want House starting, tell Pop to bench D-League in favor of someone who can penetrate/playmake.

That second unit is +40 in 50 minutes. That means the first unit in 52.4 minutes, they would be +13. :lmao

+40 >>>>>>>>>>> +13 :lmao

Lets just start the second unit ASAP. I love your stats. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

That second unit is +40 in 50 minutes. That means the first unit in 52.4 minutes, they would be +13. :lmao

+40 >>>>>>>>>>> +13 :lmao

Lets just start the second unit ASAP. I love your stats. :lmao

Are you retarded? I already stated how great the first bench unit is. But you always neglect that they are largely playing against BENCHES.

As for which PG works best with Green, Leonard, LMA, and Gasol, it's Parker by by a good margin. Like I said, Patty ain't a starter.

Again, you want House starting, phone fuckin' Pop and tell him to sit D-League's ass.

[coachmac87]

You're a faggot with no life if you constantly come on this site to bash a player on your favorite team regardless who it is tbh..

[dabom]

Are you retarded? I already stated how great the first bench unit is. But you always neglect that they are largely playing against BENCHES.

As for which PG works best with Green, Leonard, LMA, and Gasol, it's Parker by by a good margin. Like I said, Patty ain't a starter.

Again, you want House starting, phone fuckin' Pop and tell him to sit D-League's ass.

Almost like RPM takes into effect everything. Patty House >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Porker. :lmao

Betting on a complete shit player. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Why did you post a pic and not a link? :lmao

Spinning so bad :lmao

http://www.82games.com/1617/1617SAS2.HTM

"House needs to start! He'll transform the starters!"

*stats say House is a -9 with the starters*

"Ugh, ugh...where's your link!"

:lmao

Take the L, bro.

[midnightpulp]

Almost like RPM takes into effect everything. Patty House >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Porker. :lmao

Betting on a complete shit player. :lmao

RPM also has Jon Leuer over Porzingis :lmao

I've already explained how flawed RPM is. It misapplies Bayesian inference.

[dabom]

Spinning so bad :lmao

http://www.82games.com/1617/1617SAS2.HTM

"House needs to start! He'll transform the starters!"

*stats say House is a -9 with the starters*

"Ugh, ugh...where's your link!"

:lmao

Take the L, bro.

I guess that third unit would be the best STARTING UNIT. The rate is even HIGHER THAN OUR NORMAL STARTING UNIT. :lmao

[dabom]

RPM also has Jon Leuer over Porzingis :lmao

I've already explained how flawed RPM is. It misapplies Bayesian inference.

Unless you have some advance degree in something statistics related, you're not much boy. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

I guess that third unit would be the best STARTING UNIT. The rate is even HIGHER THAN OUR NORMAL STARTING UNIT. :lmao

Could be. Like I said, Mills would work fine with a playmaker at SG. He excels with Manu against bench units and seems to work well with Fathead against starters.

But you don't think things through like that. You just want Mills in for Parker without any other lineup tweaks. It doesn't work like that, as proven.

[dabom]

Could be. Like I said, Mills would work fine with a playmaker at SG. He excels with Manu against bench units and seems to work well with Fathead against starters.

But you don't think things through like that. You just want Mills in for Parker without any other lineup tweaks. It doesn't work like that, as proven.

Nothing has been proven other than Porker been dog shit this year. That is proven.

I didn't say no to any other starting lineup changes. You just assumed I said that faggot. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Nothing has been proven other than Porker been dog shit this year. That is proven.

I didn't say no to any other starting lineup changes. You just assumed I said that faggot. :lmao

Of course you didn't say "no," as it would blow a hole in your dumb theory that Mills>Parker no matter what. I've enlightened you now.

[dabom]

Of course you didn't say "no," as it would blow a hole in your dumb theory that Mills>Parker no matter what. I've enlightened you now.

Except I already proved that patty was better using RPM. :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Except I already proved that patty was better using RPM. :lmao

RPM also "proves" Lucas Nogueira is better than Blake Griffin :lmao

[dabom]

RPM also "proves" Lucas Nogueira is better than Blake Griffin :lmao

I use per minute production, total production, impact, and role. :lol

I've said this before. So nothing new. Patty way better than porker. :lmao

[K...]

I'm with dabom....Kyle should run point. Trial by fire. Might as well let our best Durant defender (Kyle bc comparative advantage reasons) get ready.

Sub in Danny/mills depending on offense/defense.

Dabom is such a genius some times

[SAGirl]

You're a faggot with no life if you constantly come on this site to bash a player on your favorite team regardless who it is tbh..
Agree... but Mid always has interesting takes... and he backs them up which I like.
I missed this game, so I am a spectator in the comments pretty much... but it's interesting.

[K...]

Oh, and of course dabom is right that starting Kyle gives Bertrans more spin, and removes kawhis backup (he doesn't need rest)

[dabom]

I'm with dabom....Kyle should run point. Trial by fire. Might as well let our best Durant defender (Kyle bc comparative advantage reasons) get ready.

Sub in Danny/mills depending on offense/defense.

Dabom is such a genius some times

2 kyle fans show up... :lol

[K...]

2 kyle fans show up... :lol

Don't fight us.....Kyle is a true pg on offense. On defense Patty can guard the pg, Kyle the sf (but not LeBron), and Kawhi the sg. Or play Danny.

[dabom]

Don't fight us.....Kyle is a true pg on offense. On defense Patty can guard the pg, Kyle the sf (but not LeBron), and Kawhi the sg. Or play Danny.

Fathead would play great with 2 spacers like Patty and Kawhi. Kyle can work the offense...

[Brazil]

.Kyle is a true pg on offense

sorry but....

:lmao

[Brazil]

Kyle is a true scrub on offense.

fify

[unleashbaynes]

Mid reamed dabom in this thread :wow

[james evans]

I don't know what it is about Kyle, but he's one of the best players for the spurs on 2k. His 3 point shot is damn near automatic when he's open. And I play on HOF. I dont know why it's like that. Plus he's a beast on the drive

[skulls138]

Well said :toast. My thoughts on Kawhi are just the opposite. Just when you think you're in, he pulls you out again. No wonder why he's an introvert. Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he learns how to hit a layup in the clutch like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board. Kyle Anderson is not a fuckin' starter, and the rubes who back him as one need to get that through their thick skulls. I do wish we had another option, of course. A sore tooth here or swamp ass there, and Kawhi's game falls off a cliff.Falls off a cliff? How about just having a bad game, that every great player has now and then? Look at Hardens game against us. But no, when Hardens game is off its not the real Harden, when Kawhi has a bad night its who he is. Fearful negative thinking. People need to realize that we have a good record and that teams fear US, and rightfully so.

[K...]

fify

That's the point. Kawhi is the offense. It's better Kyle can't score. You're not thinking like a true spurs fan.

[Brazil]

That's the point. Kawhi is the offense. It's better Kyle can't score. You're not thinking like a true spurs fan.

Kyle is a scrub and your take is what ? he can lead the point while Kawhi leads the offense because he is a true PG ?.... :lmao you are thinking like a true player fan :lmao

[SAGirl]

Mid reamed dabom in this thread :wow
Pretty much!
:toast

[dabom]

Mid reamed dabom in this thread :wow

He admitted defeat you stupid fuck. :lmao

[Splits]

Damn, dabom got his shit pushed real good ITT. Props Mid

[K...]

RPM also "proves" Lucas Nogueira is better than Blake Griffin :lmao


He admitted defeat you stupid fuck. :lmao

oh look at mid admitting defeat like a coward there.

My Take is one smile emoticon vs one smiley emoticon = tie.

[dabom]

oh look at mid admitting defeat like a coward there.

My Take is one smile emoticon vs one smiley emoticon = tie.

He admitted Patty could start in the context of his stats. :lol

And we both know porker is way worse than Patty. :lol

[DPG21920]

He admitted Patty could start in the context of his stats. :lol

And we both know porker is way worse than Patty. :lol

:lmao you trying to cite context. That is rich.

[BillMc]

Exactly how many threads are DPG and Dabom battling on simultaneously? It's harder to follow than the MCU...:corn:

[dabom]

Exactly how many threads are DPG and Dabom battling on simultaneously? It's harder to follow than the MCU...:corn:

He's just a porker stan. They are rare these days though. :lol

[gambit1990]

He's just a porker stan. They are rare these days though. :lol
the people who are defending tony this year are same people who wrong about him last year :lol

[DPG21920]

Exactly how many threads are DPG and Dabom battling on simultaneously? It's harder to follow than the MCU...:corn:

I mean, this is considered a battle as much as Loki vs The Hulk.

http://www.9e3k.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Hulk-vs-Loki-04.gif

[dabom]

I'm the one that wins. Figure it out. :lmao

[K...]

the people who are defending tony this year are same people who wrong about him last year :lol

do you mean like that time you hAd that poll and kept bumping it but each time got the wrong answer?

there's nothing about Parker to get wrong. he sucks. some people bitch about it like its a personal attack, other people are cool about it.

the arguments about patty and Parker aren't new. but so far, the porkerstans have pops endorsement, you don't.

[DPG21920]

I'm the one that wins. Figure it out. :lmao

ELE bet?

[gambit1990]

there's nothing about Parker to get wrong. he sucks.
wow, you're learning :lol

i already knew that.

[Brazil]

wow, you're learning :lol

i already knew that.

:lol that's probably the only thing you know... thanks god Parker sucks, it is 99% of your material on ST... you have absolutely no other takes or arguments about anything else tbh... 3,1 K of Parker sucks posts :lol rent free tbh...

[Chinook]

Is a Patty-like PG a better fit with the offense Pop wants to run for Kawhi and LMA? Yes.

Is a Patty-like PG a better fit with the offense Pop's gonna have to run for the Spurs to beat the Warriors? Nope.

[skulls138]

It must be cool to be an asshole these days. Its not enough to say Parker isnt as good as he once was. To have respect for the good play of the past. No its "Parker sucks" or "Porkers fat", as if hes been a drain on the Spurs since day one not the most successful PG in the era of PGs. All I see is people dumping their personal problems on something else like Parker, who BTW is not fucking fat!

[dabom]

It must be cool to be an asshole these days. Its not enough to say Parker isnt as good as he once was. To have respect for the good play of the past. No its "Parker sucks" or "Porkers fat", as if hes been a drain on the Spurs since day one not the most successful PG in the era of PGs. All I see is people dumping their personal problems on something else like Parker, who BTW is not fucking fat!

Does that keep you up at night? :lmao

[Perry Mason]

It must be cool to be an asshole these days. Its not enough to say Parker isnt as good as he once was. To have respect for the good play of the past. No its "Parker sucks" or "Porkers fat", as if hes been a drain on the Spurs since day one not the most successful PG in the era of PGs. All I see is people dumping their personal problems on something else like Parker, who BTW is not fucking fat!

There are just one too many underdeveloped millennials on the Board. Immaturity infects all their posts, even when they have something insightful to say (a rarity, but it happens).

Parker is an old vet who lost speed. So what. He is still a quality player. It's amazing the high standards these posters set for him. It's like - isn't this some little French guy that was a late first round pick in 2001? Boo fucking hoo that he isn't an MVP contender anymore. Spurfan can be so spoiled.

And I personally would rather see the Spurs win than any single player "get his", if it comes at the expense of winning. I think Pop should have all options on the table for that. Playing Kyle at point (not likely to work, but I'm not a coach), TP off the bench, or keep the current rotation.

[gambit1990]

thanks god Parker sucks
:rollin

so now you think he sucks again? your take on parker changes every few weeks.

[DAF86]

Is a Patty-like PG a better fit with the offense Pop's gonna have to run for the Spurs to beat the Warriors? Nope.

Patty is a better option than Parker against the Warriors if only for Patty's 3 pt shooting. Tony is totally unplayable against the Warriors, not only would he get eaten alive on D, he also doesn't have the firepower to make up for some of it on the offensive end.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lol that's probably the only thing you know... thanks god Parker sucks, it is 99% of your material on ST... you have absolutely no other takes or arguments about anything else tbh... 3,1 K of Parker sucks posts :lol rent free tbh...
Jesus fucking Christ :wow

Go easy on Gambitch

[Brazil]

:rollin

so now you think he sucks again? your take on parker changes every few weeks.

no, your reading comprehension is just severly lacking which is not really surprising considering the quality of your writing.

any other takes about anything not related to Parker sucks tbh ?

[DPG21920]

:rollin

so now you think he sucks again? your take on parker changes every few weeks.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your bangs are really in your eyes since no one can possibly have that bad of comprehension. Brazil, like most of us, understand exactly the level of player TP is currently. We just also use our brains and context in evaluating the options.

[dabom]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your bangs are really in your eyes since no one can possibly have that bad of comprehension. Brazil, like most of us, understand exactly the level of player TP is currently. We just also use our brains and context in evaluating the options.

Porker sucks. 3 years ago. :lol

[gambit1990]

Brazil, like most of us, understand exactly the level of player TP is currently. We just also use our brains and context in evaluating the options.
:lol

i wanted to trade tp last year when people thought he was playing at all star level, when he had trade value.

you and brazil thought it was a terrible idea. why didn't the two of you use your brains then?

[313]

One of the best threads in some time tbh...

[Brazil]

:lol

i wanted to trade tp last year when people thought he was playing at all star level, when he had trade value.

you and brazil thought it was a terrible idea. why didn't the two of you use your brains then?

again and it is not surprising your reading comprehension is terrible... I said Parker is done since last Euro dumb fuck, the fact he is done / declining / whatever you want to call him don't make him tradable and don't make him a worst option as starting PG than Murray or even Patty... As a Parker fan I'm advocating selfishly for him to play off the bench for at least 3 years now, that would be better for his career but obviously worst for the Spurs... Finally the fact he is done does not make him a hero baller or a bad person, just a player past his prime with his limitations trying to fit the best he can.

[Brazil]

^so yeah gambshit use your brain and your glasses for a change and try to keep up, also try to discuss other stuff than Parker sucks... your obsession is weirdo tbh... you are on Cosmored, Avante kind of krew level and that's not a compliment for them

[ElNono]

:lol haven't seen Brazil this mad since he was told Zidane is a top 50 player all time, tbh

[140]

:lol haven't seen Brazil (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14466) this mad since he was told Zidane is a top 50 player all time, tbh
:lol

[SAGirl]

I kind of understand Brazil going nuts over this particular game...
it seems like Kawhi was still sick and had a piss poor game for his standards... I think it's very likely Pop asked others to be aggressive. I am actually tending to think Tony was doing what Pop wanted. It is true that if he deviates from the plan, Pop has no trouble in yelling at him from the sidelines or benching him for Mills if he needs to.

:lol but seeing Brazil this crazy is funny. :toast

[Brazil]

:lol... I'm not mad... it is not because it has been a while since I regulated an idiot that I'm mad, I'm just with low stupidity tolerance today

[gambit1990]

brazil says parker has been done and still wants him starting :lol get over him.

patty should be starting.

[DPG21920]

:lol

i wanted to trade tp last year when people thought he was playing at all star level, when he had trade value.

you and brazil thought it was a terrible idea. why didn't the two of you use your brains then?

Holy cow

[gambit1990]

spurs AST% is -6 with parker on the court. it's +10 with patty on the court. +16 difference.

patty won't be the best starting PG, but he'll be better than parker.

[From Downtown]

Patty's too small and too limited of a playmaker to start for this team, he also has perfect chemistry with Manu and there's no need to fuck up with our bench backcourt
We're gonna leave and die by Parker, I don't think he's good enough to be the starting PG for a championship team, but I'll take him looking as aggressive and spry as he has the last few games, we still stand a chance if Kawhi and LMA play up to their level and the others just do their thing

[bklynspursfan]

spurs AST% is -6 with parker on the court. it's +10 with patty on the court. +16 difference.

patty won't be the best starting PG, but he'll be better than parker.

& I guess you don't think that has to do with the personnel either i guess huh

Starters have guys who play more 1 on 1 ball, vs the 2nd unit that relies on ball movement to create open looks.

Parker leads the team in all or most passing categories if i'm not mistaken

[Brazil]

brazil says parker has been done and still wants him starting :lol get over him.

patty should be starting.


At this point conclusion is you are just mentally challenged tbh

[eric365]

brazil says parker has been done and still wants him starting :lol get over him.


Finley was not better than Ginobili. Still It made sense for him to start.

I guess you don't care about how the starting unit complement each other, how the bench unit complement each other, and how the bench unit have to be solid enough to keep/increase a lead.

Pop decide if Parker > Mills on a given night by picking who play in the last 5 minutes. And this season it has been mostly Mills

[gambit1990]

& I guess you don't think that has to do with the personnel either i guess huh

Starters have guys who play more 1 on 1 ball, vs the 2nd unit that relies on ball movement to create open looks.
right, because patty NEVER plays with green, kawhi, lma, gasol :lol

[gambit1990]

I guess you don't care about how the starting unit complement each other, how the bench unit complement each other, and how the bench unit have to be solid enough to keep/increase a lead.
parker doesn't compliment anyone at this point.

people should stop acting like he's a chris paul type play maker. parker gets his assists from passing to someone who takes a jumper. he does not help get kawhi easy buckets.

[DPG21920]

right, because patty NEVER plays with green, kawhi, lma, gasol :lol

Mills numbers (albeit limited minutes) with that crew are WORSE than TPs. You've already been shown this by Mid.

Then BKYLN showed you that TP, by almost every single metric leads the team in passing accounting for all sorts of variables.

You're just wrong.

It's ok to have an opinion that Mills fits with the SL better and that perhaps with a bigger sample it would work out. But nothing you say backs that up at this point and most of what you say is completely stupid.

[Joseph Kony]

There are just one too many underdeveloped millennials on the Board. Immaturity infects all their posts, even when they have something insightful to say (a rarity, but it happens).

Parker is an old vet who lost speed. So what. He is still a quality player. It's amazing the high standards these posters set for him. It's like - isn't this some little French guy that was a late first round pick in 2001? Boo fucking hoo that he isn't an MVP contender anymore. Spurfan can be so spoiled.

And I personally would rather see the Spurs win than any single player "get his", if it comes at the expense of winning. I think Pop should have all options on the table for that. Playing Kyle at point (not likely to work, but I'm not a coach), TP off the bench, or keep the current rotation.:cry damn millenials messing up ST :cry

[Brazil]

As I said a million times I'd love TP to play off the bench, people are just focusing on age but he has tons of minutes played more than Manu and it is not even close. (of course age is a big factor independently of number of minutes played but overlooking minutes and games played is plain silly especially for a undersized, underpowered guard like TP relying a lot on his speed). So yeah at this point of his career that would be the best for him. Can Patty start ? sure... he will bring more spacing but also worst ball handling and passing (again kawhi is no Lebron, SL needs ball handling actually) which would be highly problematic with Green also struggling there. With this roster, I am perfectly fine with what Pop is doing:

- play Parker on the SL
- ask Parker to be agressive if opponents choose to dare him to beat them
- play Patty roughly same amount of minutes mixing up line ups
- play Patty on most games the last 5 mn of the games

You can have different view or opinion on that but you are a moron if you harshly call out Pop to run with that because it is simply a very reasonable way to approach the guard rotation

[eric365]

parker doesn't compliment anyone at this point.

people should stop acting like he's a chris paul type play maker. parker gets his assists from passing to someone who takes a jumper. he does not help get kawhi easy buckets.

That's right he doesn't help Kawhi. He helps Gasol and LMA

Mills is not very good at running the pick & roll and It's the easy way to get open shot for Gasol and LMA early in the game

[BillMc]

As I said a million times I'd love TP to play off the bench, people are just focusing on age but he has tons of minutes played more than Manu and it is not even close. (of course age is a big factor independently of number of minutes played but overlooking minutes and games played is plain silly especially for a undersized, underpowered guard like TP relying a lot on his speed). So yeah at this point of his career that would be the best for him. Can Patty start ? sure... he will bring more spacing but also worst ball handling and passing (again kawhi is no Lebron, SL needs ball handling actually) which would be highly problematic with Green also struggling there. With this roster, I am perfectly fine with what Pop is doing:

- play Parker on the SL
- ask Parker to be agressive if opponents choose to dare him to beat them
- play Patty roughly same amount of minutes mixing up line ups
- play Patty on most games the last 5 mn of the games



Well said.

[DPG21920]

That's right he doesn't help Kawhi. He helps Gasol and LMA

Mills is not very good at running the pick & roll and It's the easy way to get open shot for Gasol and LMA early in the game

And if you think TP is bad at defense wait until you start Patty and he has to guard Westbrook or anyone. Wait until you see how teams press Mills because they know his handle is weak (for a PG) and the issues that creates.

We've seen these things before and that is not a knock on Mills.

[eric365]

And as Brazil said, it would be easier for Parker to play off the bench. Guarding weaker opponent and playing against poor defense.

The only thing IMO you can blame Parker is taking a contract that big this late in his career. That's why we don't have a decent PG starter that would allow Parker to play off the bench.

[skulls138]

I dont know if anybody notices but Pops is loyal and everyone gets their turn good or bad and I personally agree with that philosophy. Reason being is that if Pops starts rearranging things and letting the young guys start over the vets AND IT GOES WRONG, the were F'd in the A. Of course guys like Gasol and Lee get to cut in line because they are still vets though from another team. But its also why Parker is starting (though I think hes still the best PG), Anderson and Simmons are playing and Dedmon isnt etc.. No one can feel like they were treated unfairly and teammates never feel threatened someones going to take their spot so it makes for a good, relaxed lockeroom.

[midnightpulp]

Perfect PG dynamic tonight :tu

Parker ran the offense effectively, took what the defense gave him, and didn't let Lowry go off since he's taller than 5'8". House did his thing and hit a couple of 3s.

When Parker and House are in sync per their roles, you see the potential this team has, which is why I'm willing to "gamble" on the Frenchie again. Again, this is situation the FO created with this roster design. You just have to accept it. House starting isn't a cure for Parker's shortcomings.

[SAGirl]

I dont know if anybody notices but Pops is loyal and everyone gets their turn good or bad and I personally agree with that philosophy. Reason being is that if Pops starts rearranging things and letting the young guys start over the vets AND IT GOES WRONG, the were F'd in the A. Of course guys like Gasol and Lee get to cut in line because they are still vets though from another team. But its also why Parker is starting (though I think hes still the best PG), Anderson and Simmons are playing and Dedmon isnt etc.. No one can feel like they were treated unfairly and teammates never feel threatened someones going to take their spot so it makes for a good, relaxed lockeroom.
You have a great point. It should also make it easier to accept when another is better than you bc it will be evident and both youngster and vet will have gotten enough chances to confirm it. If the guy is not a cancer he could still stay in the team and help when there are opportunities, which Bonner did even though others relegated him in the rotation more and more until Davis finally took his spot.

I am sure there are other examples I don't know about. Cojo/mills and Simmons/Anderson is a new one with Murray/Bertans next, etc. It's just tougher when talking about veterans and in this case Pop can justify changes better depending on matchups or whether he needs more shooting, or more defense and that may be that, unless someone is coasting to such a degree that Pop has lost faith in him and will sit him like Boris.. the only one I have known that about.

[SAGirl]

Perfect PG dynamic tonight :tu

Parker ran the offense effectively, took what the defense gave him, and didn't let Lowry go off since he's taller than 5'8". House did his thing and hit a couple of 3s.

When Parker and House are in sync per their roles, you see the potential this team has, which is why I'm willing to "gamble" on the Frenchie again. Again, this is situation the FO created with this roster design. You just have to accept it. House starting isn't a cure for Parker's shortcomings.
He had a great game and has been playing well lately. :tu

[james evans]

Parker was gunning tonight. Leonard and Aldridge had a big first half but in the 3rd Parker was like "fuck it, I'm bout to get mines.." Even in the first half, he did a great dribble behind the back thru traffic and found Leonard open for a 3. He was HOT. Then the next play, leonard was standing on the wing wide open for about 3 or 4 seconds and Parker just looking him off until he had no choice but to pass it and it was knocked out of bounds. He's a fucking problem. And this shit is gonna fuck us up in the playoffs. yeah yeah, I know he was scoring, but in the playoffs, he's gonna be facing better pgs than he has the past 3 games.

[Robz4000]

Parker was gunning tonight. Leonard and Aldridge had a big first half but in the 3rd Parker was like "fuck it, I'm bout to get mines.." Even in the first half, he did a great dribble behind the back thru traffic and found Leonard open for a 3. He was HOT. Then the next play, leonard was standing on the wing wide open for about 3 or 4 seconds and Parker just looking him off until he had no choice but to pass it and it was knocked out of bounds. He's a fucking problem. And this shit is gonna fuck us up in the playoffs. yeah yeah, I know he was scoring, but in the playoffs, he's gonna be facing better pgs than he has the past 3 games.

Lowry's been playing like a top 3 PG this season and he's one of the best defensive PGs in the game. I agree that playoff Parker can get chuck-happy and can dribble-dribble-dribble, but nothing about his play the past few weeks is concerning.

[100%duncan]

Both sides have good points tbh. My 2 cents about the playoffs and against the only teams that are threats in the west (gsw, lac, houston)

1. Parker won't average 15 ppg (a ppg that a 3rd option usually has) against those teams. I just cant see it, his main threat, penetrating, is negated by Blake and Deandre. Rockets has Beverly on him. While against GSW, you cant hide him on anyone and you would want kawhi and lma to take more shots than usual against gsw, so for parker to have 15ppg considering the mouths to feed is very counter intuitive.

2. I agree that we dig ourselves into this hole by not addressing the PG issue. Also, I agree that Parker is the better starter not because of height and consistency :lol as if he is consistent but because Patty is the bench's main offense. Making him a starter and moving Parker to the 2nd unit will give us more problems, it is a "solution" to a "problem" (tp starting) that we do not have. Thus...

3. The more important issue here is Patty needs more/half mins with Parker. Especially against teams that will force us to score on pace with them.

4. Given all of that, I think our 3rd option needs to be more of a committee members. Here me out, this year's bench is way better than last year's so it is not crazy to think that this can work. So the main part of this committee will be DG who is having a career year, Parker and Mills. At least 2 of the three, imo, can be trusted to be consistent every night in the playoffs. The next tier will be David Lee who is way better than west or last yr diaw, and Manu this will obviously take the pressure off a 60 yr old Manu and an unproven Simmons to step up in May.

[Chinook]

And if you think TP is bad at defense wait until you start Patty and he has to guard Westbrook or anyone. Wait until you see how teams press Mills because they know his handle is weak (for a PG) and the issues that creates.

We've seen these things before and that is not a knock on Mills.

Tony usually graded out pretty well in the threads I made analyzing defense. Dude's able to follow a game plan and help the team contain a guy, which isn't as easy as it should be. He used to have a ton of defensive upside against elite PGs. Now he can just be pretty solid when it counts. That's fine when he's guarding Klay or Beverly or even JR Smith.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The biggest thing those groupings show is that Dedmon needs to be playing more. IMO he is going to be a higher priority to re-sign (I believe he can opt out and no doubt will) over Mills in the off season. I think he is going to prove to be a match up nightmare for the Warriors.

[Cry Havoc]

The biggest thing those groupings show is that Dedmon needs to be playing more. IMO he is going to be a higher priority to re-sign (I believe he can opt out and no doubt will) over Mills in the off season. I think he is going to prove to be a match up nightmare for the Warriors.

Dedmon needs to play himself more. He's insanely foul prone and I don't think he's in shape enough for 30mpg. But he's been the surprise of the season for us so far, no doubt.

[TheGreatYacht]

parker doesn't compliment anyone at this point.

people should stop acting like he's a chris paul type play maker. parker gets his assists from passing to someone who takes a jumper. he does not help get kawhi easy buckets.
Get cucked faggot :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2U9bIu3b3A&feature=share

[SAGirl]

^bamazing ballhandling from TP... he has been dishing nicely lately.

Hopefully he's healthy when the playoffs come.

[james evans]

Get cucked faggot :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2U9bIu3b3A&feature=share
and the very next play, leonard was wide open again and Parker thought, 'fuck this shit, he's too hot right now.." and decided to pass at the last minute only for the ball to be knocked out of bounds

[bklynspursfan]

and the very next play, leonard was wide open again and Parker thought, 'fuck this shit, he's too hot right now.." and decided to pass at the last minute only for the ball to be knocked out of bounds

Or he didn't see him cause there were a couple other teammates around him on that end of the court.

We saw Kawhi wide open, but the view/action on the court is different than sitting on your couch being a spectator

[gambit1990]

Get cucked faggot :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2U9bIu3b3A&feature=share
you being impressed by parker passing the ball transition :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Is a Patty-like PG a better fit with the offense Pop wants to run for Kawhi and LMA? Yes.

Is a Patty-like PG a better fit with the offense Pop's gonna have to run for the Spurs to beat the Warriors? Nope.

I'm not sure why people have a hard time comprehending this fact.

It's been proven over the past 3 seasons that when Kawhi is running the offense then Patty is the best fit & that Patty is basically useless when his shot isn't falling.

[Kawhitstorm]

Patty is a better option than Parker against the Warriors if only for Patty's 3 pt shooting. Tony is totally unplayable against the Warriors, not only would he get eaten alive on D, he also doesn't have the firepower to make up for some of it on the offensive end.

If 2014 Finals doesn't show up against the Duds then the Spurs have little hope of winning the series outside of injuries.

[gambit1990]

Patty is a better option than Parker against the Warriors if only for Patty's 3 pt shooting. Tony is totally unplayable against the Warriors, not only would he get eaten alive on D, he also doesn't have the firepower to make up for some of it on the offensive end.

[james evans]

Or he didn't see him cause there were a couple other teammates around him on that end of the court.

We saw Kawhi wide open, but the view/action on the court is different than sitting on your couch being a spectator
This happens a LOT. If it was a rare thing I would probably agree with you, but for the past 2 and a half seasons, Parker has been "missing" Leonard when he's open.

[bklynspursfan]

This happens a LOT. If it was a rare thing I would probably agree with you, but for the past 2 and a half seasons, Parker has been "missing" Leonard when he's open.

And you are running with the notion that he does it purposely to pacify his ego or something?

I guess that's the part I find silly. Guys miss people all the time. It's part of the game.

I mean, how often does Kawhi miss guys cause he's a score first player? It's just how these guys are. It's got nothing to do with any ego's

[duncan2k5]

Wrong... Parker's ego is out of control...he has shaded his own teammates in the past when they've been getting too much attention (except Duncan), he has passed up kawhi NUMEROUS times till Pop had to SCREAM at him to pass it to kawhi...he can't handle kawhi becoming the most beloved spur, and being the reason the spurs win

[gambit1990]

Guys miss people all the time. It's part of the game.
:lmao

the excuses people make for parker... it's never ending.

[bklynspursfan]

Wrong... Parker's ego is out of control...he has shaded his own teammates in the past when they've been getting too much attention (except Duncan), he has passed up kawhi NUMEROUS times till Pop had to SCREAM at him to pass it to kawhi...he can't handle kawhi becoming the most beloved spur, and being the reason the spurs win

Ah, I see. So taking that 1 gif that people love to use here and you're coming to that conclusion.

This is just ridiculous. I'd love to know who he' shaded in the past when they got too much attention.....

[james evans]

Ah, I see. So taking that 1 gif that people love to use here and you're coming to that conclusion.

This is just ridiculous. I'd love to know who he' shaded in the past when they got too much attention.....

Kawhi missed people, Patty and others, but when the POINT GUARD(work with me here) continues to miss the same guy that's open over and over since for the past 2 seaons,, it comes a time in which the "he didn't see him" bullshit ass excuse needs to stop. :lol:lol So when Jimmy Jackson stole Jason Kidd's pussy from him(Toni Braxton), Kidd, who is one of the most unselfish players of all time, started missing Jackson during the games by accident? haha

[spursistan]

:wow

Fuckin save some for April/May

[Hoops Czar]

I sure hope the Spurs pay Paddy stats $15M to be the starting pg next season.

[midnightpulp]

The Helmet crew is stone silent tonight :lol

If House had a 10-11 game, the semen cloud would be thicker than Gambit's skull.

[SAGirl]

Too much hate for Tony here TBH. When healthy he's a difference maker... My only concern with him is him getting nags, pulling something, which due to mileage is a risk and has been a common occurrence. Healthy Tony thankfully is something else.
:toast

[FkLA]

2 points total the past two games :lol

[UZER]

And this is the problem with Tony and Manu now. They have a random good game or two, but are just too old.

They are way past their primes but still playing major minutes.

[sasaint]

And this is the problem with Tony and Manu now. They have a random good game or two, but are just too old.

They are way past their primes but still playing major minutes.

Maybe the NBA should do what the PGA did and start a senior circuit.

[RD2191]

:lmao OP

[gambit1990]

:lmao

[140]

:lmao OP

[gambit1990]

shooting 28% over the last four games :lol

[dabom]

OP. :lmao

[140]

OP. :lmao

[SpursFan86]

Welp, it was fun while it lasted...Parker is now averaging 8 ppg on a 50 TS% in February :bang

[gambit1990]

Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he holds up like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board.
:lol

[dabom]

:lol

:lmao

[UZER]

People who thought parker could last the whole season. :lol

Fools effin gold.

[Hoops Czar]

:lol

Not much talk about Skatty these days. His 1-9 FG's, 1-6 3pt FG's 0 assists, 2 TO's and 5 personal fouls in 32 minutes sure did put Parker in his place. And to think there are posters in this forum that want that thing taking Parker's place in the starting rotation. So this is what Skat's prime looks like. :lol

[gambit1990]

Not much talk about Skatty these days. His 1-9 FG's, 1-6 3pt FG's 0 assists, 2 TO's and 5 personal fouls in 32 minutes sure did put Parker in his place. And to think there are posters in this forum that want that thing taking Parker's place in the starting rotation. So this is what Skat's prime looks like. :lol
mills shot 50% the game before, parker shot 28.6%... he had more points in OT than parker had the entire game :lmao

love pop closing out close games with parker on the bench, back to back OTs and tony didn't play a minute :tu

[dabom]

mills shot 50% the game before, parker shot 28.6%... he had more points in OT than parker had the entire game :lmao

love pop closing out close games with parker on the bench, back to back OTs and tony didn't play a minute :tu

:wow

[TheDoctor]

love pop closing out close games with parker on the bench, back to back OTs and tony didn't play a minute :tu

HCOY tbh

[Canyonero]

Lmao baseball

[TheGreatYacht]

Mid

In spite of that bailout shot where he got blocked, he led that comeback mid game to make the game close

[Mikeanaro]

Mid

In spite of that bailout shot where he got blocked, he led that comeback mid game to make the game close
That shot was the game, did more harm than good thank god Kawhobe was there to save the day! :worthy:

[TheGreatYacht]

That shot was the game, did more harm than good thank god Kawhobe was there to save the day! :worthy:
This is why Trump is president

[Mikeanaro]

This is why Trump is president
:toast

[DAF86]

This is why Trump is president

Actually, this is why Macri is president, tbh.

[Pauleta14]

This is why Trump is president

:lol

[lefty]

Porker almost cost us the game :lol

[midnightpulp]

I was highly critical of him last game, but he's "pulling me back in" again.

[will_spurs]

"Cooking with Tony" https://www.facebook.com/Spurs/videos/10154323883151981/

Amazing sequence in the 3rd.

[dabom]

I was highly critical of him last game, but he's "pulling me back in" again.


:lmao

[DAF86]

I was highly critical of him last game, but he's "pulling me back in" again.

Don't fall for it. History tells he won't back it up in the following games, but man how helpful it would be if he could consistently hit 1 or 2 of those corner three's everygame.

[SASdynasty!]

Porker almost cost us the game :lol
19/6/3 on 50% and led the comeback. He was the reason it wasn't a Rockets blowout tbh.

[gambit1990]

I was highly critical of him last game, but he's "pulling me back in" again.
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[140]

:lmao OP

[gambit1990]

19/6/3 on 50% and led the comeback. He was the reason it wasn't a Rockets blowout tbh.
parker won't shoot like that from 3 on a regular basis. he had 3 assists and 3 turnovers.

[UZER]

If Parker would just lock himself in a gym and work on a consistent 3pt shot, as he should've done years ago, and not just from the corner, he could still be effective on the floor. Guys just completely ignore him in the perimeter and that's a big part of the problem.

[dabom]

Dude can't even stay healthy enough to be a starter anymore. Same production as Forbes nowadays. We can use that 16 MIL on something better.

[SASdynasty!]

Dude can't even stay healthy enough to be a starter anymore. Same production as Forbes nowadays. We can use that 16 MIL on something better.
Still leads the team in assists and scores more than Fatty Mills.

[dabom]

Still leads the team in assists and scores more than Fatty Mills.

Patty has scored more than porker. Gtfo here. :lmao

[sasaint]

If Parker would just lock himself in a gym and work on a consistent 3pt shot, as he should've done years ago, and not just from the corner, he could still be effective on the floor. Guys just completely ignore him in the perimeter and that's a big part of the problem.

Since 2012-13 he has shot the 3-ball very well. He just doesn't shoot enough of them to have much impact.

[SASdynasty!]

Patty has scored more than porker. Gtfo here. :lmao
Patty Mills: 9.8 PPG
Tony Parker: 10.4 PPG

If by more you mean less, then yes.

[dabom]

Patty Mills: 9.8 PPG
Tony Parker: 10.4 PPG

If by more you mean less, then yes.

That's ppg. Not total points scored you stupid fuck. :lmao

[spursistan]

Still the team's last hope of running a modicum of modern NBA offense that <wouldn't get stymied easily in the playoffs..Unbelievable :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

One. More. Year

[DAF86]

Still the team's last hope of running a modicum of modern NBA offense that <wouldn't get stymied easily in the playoffs..Unbelievable :lol

That's as good as saying we're fucked, tbh.

[spursistan]

That's as good as saying we're fucked, tbh.
It is sad but true..Offense looked more freewheeling in December with him having a zip in his legs for a couple or three weeks..he is the best on the team at setting up Aldrigde instead of letting the latter mak a mess with the entire offense with his variety of ugly post-ups and other standstill postures with the ball..

[dabom]

It is sad but true..Offense looked more freewheeling in December with him having a zip in his legs for a couple or three weeks..he is the best on the team at setting up Aldrigde instead of letting the latter mak a mess with the entire offense with his variety of ugly post-ups and other standstill postures with the ball..

Give us a take, faggot. We can all see what your saying. :lol

[Mikeanaro]

It is sad but true..Offense looked more freewheeling in December with him having a zip in his legs for a couple or three weeks..he is the best on the team at setting up Aldrigde instead of letting the latter mak a mess with the entire offense with his variety of ugly post-ups and other standstill postures with the ball..
That fatso Lamilton has been missing uncontested shots for ages, that has nothing to do with TP.

[bic50]

It is sad but true..Offense looked more freewheeling in December with him having a zip in his legs for a couple or three weeks..he is the best on the team at setting up Aldrigde instead of letting the latter mak a mess with the entire offense with his variety of ugly post-ups and other standstill postures with the ball..
Who are you talking about?

[spursistan]

Who are you talking about?
Parker..

[SASdynasty!]

That's ppg. Not total points scored you stupid fuck. :lmao
Lol total points

[dabom]

Lol total points

You bring up total points all the fucking time. :lmao

[spursistan]

It is sad but true..Offense looked more freewheeling in December with him having a zip in his legs for a couple or three weeks..he is the best on the team at setting up Aldrigde instead of letting the latter make a mess of the entire offense with his variety of ugly post-ups and other standstill postures with the ball..

844169442984714245

[DPG21920]

I've been touting this ^ for a while. Even beyond the numbers verifying this, the eye test is painfully obvious how much better TP is at running things (when hes playing well) with regards to LMA getting his.

[dabom]

Can Paul split that for just this year? I'm still sure there is some synergy involved.

[MultiTroll]

Facebook San Antonio Spurs has a nice synopsis of the never to be seen again outbreak.

[bklynspursfan]

I've been touting this ^ for a while. Even beyond the numbers verifying this, the eye test is painfully obvious how much better TP is at running things (when hes playing well) with regards to LMA getting his.

Yep. And his FGA should be higher because he's getting some great looks and doesn't knock em' down enough.

But when TP is creating a bit more, it also keeps Kawhi a more fresh in case he needs to take us home in the 4th. I think he'll be good enough in the playoffs. Maybe not every game, but enough to get us thru the first couple rounds.

[TheGreatYacht]

844169442984714245
Parker runs the P&P with Aldridge to perfection. Mills otoh just dribbles down the court and hands to ball in the post to Aldridge, who just isn't a post player on most nights.

[barbacoataco]

Only on Spurstalk are people arguing whether the Spurs are better with or without Parker. Everyone knows they need a healthy Parker to go anywhere in the playoffs.

In the past I wouldn't have been too hopeful that Parker could string together a successful, healthy, deep playoff run. But these days anything is possible. He could pull a Dwyane Wade move and meet with a "German sports nutritionalist, and instantly return to prime form with explosive moves like he is 25 years old. I see that kind of thing happen today in all professional sports.

[dabom]

Only on Spurstalk are people arguing whether the Spurs are better with or without Parker. Everyone knows they need a healthy Parker to go anywhere in the playoffs.

In the past I wouldn't have been too hopeful that Parker could string together a successful, healthy, deep playoff run. But these days anything is possible. He could pull a Dwyane Wade move and meet with a "German sports nutritionalist, and instantly return to prime form with explosive moves like he is 25 years old. I see that kind of thing happen today in all professional sports.

Great analysis there. :lol

[gambit1990]

I was highly critical of him last game, but he's "pulling me back in" again.
how much did he pull you back in tonight? :lmao

[dabom]

:lol

[140]

:lmao OP :lmao

[gambit1990]

tp averaging 33% shooting and 4 assists the past four games.

[gambit1990]

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss246/MiiCK90/backfire.gif

[dabom]

We still have a good chance of winning the chip. Porker just has to cut down his cancerous play. :lol

[140]

:lmao OP :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Why do Microwave fans keep bumping me when I was right?

http://oi63.tinypic.com/nfi87a.jpg

[gambit1990]

Why do Microwave fans keep bumping me when I was right?


He's been playing well lately, averaging 18 and 5 dimes on 51% over his last 4, and 12ppg on 48% over his last 10, which is more than acceptable.

Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he holds up like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board.
:lol
keep hoping tony holds up like a pair of aces dumbass :lmao

[midnightpulp]

:lol
keep hoping tony holds up like a pair of aces dumbass :lmao

They didn't.

So what?

Start House?

:lmao

[Chinook]

Once again, like a poker player committed to a pot, we're priced in on him and just have to hope he holds up like a pair of Aces facing a draw heavy board.

...

I do wish we had another option, of course. A strained ass cheek here or a tummy ache there, and Parker's game falls off a cliff. But we don't, so like last year, I'm willing to gamble.

It's really sad that people can't seem to get this. The Spurs HAVE to hope Parker can perform in the playoffs. They can't afford for him to be bad. So why the fuck to people think it's hilarious that he's playing poorly?

[midnightpulp]

It's really sad that people can't seem to get this. The Spurs HAVE to hope Parker can perform in the playoffs. They can't afford for him to be bad. So why the fuck to people think it's hilarious that he's playing poorly?

Because they'd rather be "right" than see the Spurs have success.

They're also under the delusional and highly idiotic idea that Parker will flame out, House will start, and all will be solved.

[Va Spur]

If Parker can't play well we are done starting in the semis. We can probably survive against the Memphis or OKC but no way after that. he doesn't have to be great- 10-6 on decent shooting is enough.

[gambit1990]

So what?

Start House?

:lmao
3 turnovers, 2 assists. 36.4% shooting on 11 shots :lol
yeah, i'm starting patty. spurs did that work while he was in. they play better with mills. parker is a negative. he fooled you though. wasn't the first time.

[midnightpulp]

3 turnovers, 2 assists. 36.4% shooting on 11 shots :lol
yeah, i'm starting patty. spurs did that work while he was in. they play better with mills. parker is a negative. he fooled you though. wasn't the first time.

Trying to credit Patty for the run Pau and Manu sparked :lmao

New low.

Also, I've said before, Patty can work as a starter if Manu also starts. You ready to give up on your boy Green?

[FkLA]

Trying to credit Patty for the run Pau and Manu sparked :lmao

New low.

Also, I've said before, Patty can work as a starter if Manu also starts. You ready to give up on your boy Green?

There's been some concern about whether Mills can succeed without Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili) alongside him to share ballhandling duties. I don't think the statistical evidence backs that up. The Spurs have a slightly better offensive rating (and net rating) when Mills plays without Ginobili, per NBA.com/Stats (http://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=201988&VsPlayerID=1938), and such lineups that include Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) have been more effective, posting a sizzling 115.6 offensive rating in 447 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/impact/advanced/#!?LineupIDs=202695~201988&VsLineupIDs=1938~2225~1627749&TeamID=1610612759&VsTeamID=1610612759). Some of that is probably Leonard and company beating up on second units, but we've also seen Mills finish several games recently.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18990898/kevin-pelton-weekly-nba-mailbag-including-bradley-beal

[dabom]

It's not that we "want porker to do bad". Dude was great in 2012 2013. Dude is a bum now. I know he isn't the answer. That's the difference. You faggots. :lmao

[rastaspur]

:tu:tu
There's been some concern about whether Mills can succeed without Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili) alongside him to share ballhandling duties. I don't think the statistical evidence backs that up. The Spurs have a slightly better offensive rating (and net rating) when Mills plays without Ginobili, per NBA.com/Stats (http://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=201988&VsPlayerID=1938), and such lineups that include Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) have been more effective, posting a sizzling 115.6 offensive rating in 447 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/impact/advanced/#!?LineupIDs=202695~201988&VsLineupIDs=1938~2225~1627749&TeamID=1610612759&VsTeamID=1610612759). Some of that is probably Leonard and company beating up on second units, but we've also seen Mills finish several games recently.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18990898/kevin-pelton-weekly-nba-mailbag-including-bradley-beal

Good counter argument. Stats confirm its worth expirementing with for these last few regular season games.

Someone should laminate that article and put it inside pops wine bottle. He will see it and read it after a full bottle and might convince himself when intoxicated

[Snaq O'Meal]

It's really sad that people can't seem to get this. The Spurs HAVE to hope Parker can perform in the playoffs. They can't afford for him to be bad. So why the fuck to people think it's hilarious that he's playing poorly?

Those were probably responses to obnoxious player fans who routinely tear down other Spurs guards and wings whenever their hero's poor play is called into question.

[gambit1990]

Trying to credit Patty for the run Pau and Manu sparked :lmao

New low.

Also, I've said before, Patty can work as a starter if Manu also starts. You ready to give up on your boy Green?
parker is the biggest liability on the team. and no, patty doesn't need manu to also start.

parker should be playing less. to say the least.

being pulled in :lol
being pulled in again :lol
watch out, he might pull you in again :lol

[midnightpulp]

There's been some concern about whether Mills can succeed without Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili) alongside him to share ballhandling duties. I don't think the statistical evidence backs that up. The Spurs have a slightly better offensive rating (and net rating) when Mills plays without Ginobili, per NBA.com/Stats (http://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=201988&VsPlayerID=1938), and such lineups that include Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) have been more effective, posting a sizzling 115.6 offensive rating in 447 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/impact/advanced/#!?LineupIDs=202695~201988&VsLineupIDs=1938~2225~1627749&TeamID=1610612759&VsTeamID=1610612759). Some of that is probably Leonard and company beating up on second units, but we've also seen Mills finish several games recently.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18990898/kevin-pelton-weekly-nba-mailbag-including-bradley-beal

You're still not thinking of what to do with Parker, though.

So Green starts alongside Mills. Okay. That means Parker and Manu are the first guards off the bench. Right now, that pair has a +5.6 net rating. Mills and Manu have a +12.6 net rating. Furthermore, the lineup that Patty does best with that doesn't include Manu is Gasol, LMA, Kawhi, Green. That means starting Pau again. Good luck with a bench consisting of Dedmon, Lee, Fathead, Manu, and Parker doing anything offensively, especially if Manu and Parker are having one of their oldman off nights.

This is why Patty (and Gasol) continue to come off the bench:

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=MIN&dir=1

You can see that Dedmon replacing Gasol in the starting lineup improves them from a 7.3 net to an 8.4 net. But check out what happens when Gasol and Patty come in for Dedmon and Parker. +23 net. Absolutely killing teams.

[midnightpulp]

:tu:tu

Good counter argument. Stats confirm its worth expirementing with for these last few regular season games.

Someone should laminate that article and put it inside pops wine bottle. He will see it and read it after a full bottle and might convince himself when intoxicated

Not really. The Helmet crew's plan would force Parker to come off the bench with Manu, where they have a 5.6 net rating compared to the 12.6 net rating Mills and Manu have.

Their plan is only viable if you can 37-38 mins out of Patty. Good luck with that.

[FkLA]

You're still not thinking of what to do with Parker, though.

So Green starts alongside Mills. Okay. That means Parker and Manu are the first guards off the bench. Right now, that pair has a +5.6 net rating. Mills and Manu have a +12.6 net rating. Furthermore, the lineup that Patty does best with that doesn't include Manu is Gasol, LMA, Kawhi, Green. That means starting Pau again. Good luck with a bench consisting of Dedmon, Lee, Fathead, Manu, and Parker doing anything offensively, especially if Manu and Parker are having one of their oldman off nights.

This is why Patty (and Gasol) continue to come off the bench:

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=MIN&dir=1

You can see that Dedmon replacing Gasol in the starting lineup improves them from a 7.3 net to an 8.4 net. But check out what happens when Gasol and Patty come in for Dedmon and Parker. +23 net. Absolutely killing teams.

I was just responding to the tired 'Paddy needs Manu' line that the Porker crew loves to throw out. Statistically, it's not true.

Pau plays significantly more minutes than Deadmon anyway. No need to mess with who starts at C, just keep it the way it is. Shit, if you insist on starting the Pork why not just handle the PG position the same way? Start Rique, let Paddy close and play 30-33 mpg.

[rastaspur]

Not really. The Helmet crew's plan would force Parker to come off the bench with Manu, where they have a 5.6 net rating compared to the 12.6 net rating Mills and Manu have.

Their plan is only viable if you can 37-38 mins out of Patty. Good luck with that.

He can token start. Play him the first five minutes. Stagger he and ginobili a bit and limit that pairing to under ten minutes a game. Tweek the rotations with green and manu a bit as well and your conern should be solved.

Limit parker to no more than 20 minutes. Bump manu and patty up. Limit green a little. That should work

[midnightpulp]

I was just responding to the tired 'Paddy needs Manu' line that the Porker crew loves to throw out. Statistically, it's not true.

Pau plays significantly more minutes than Deadmon anyway. No need to mess with who starts at C, just keep it the way it is. Shit, if you insist on starting the Pork why not just handle the PG position the same way? Start Rique, let Paddy close and play 30-33 mpg.

The writer of that article cherry picked. What brings down the Patty/Manu rating is the -1.7 net rating they have when Gasol is in the lineup with them alongside LMA and Kawhi. When Dedmon is switched out for Gasol, the net rating jumps to 14.3.

Gasol/Manu pairing is only at a +4.6 net, in the bottom 3rd of all pairings. So it's more about Manu not really working with Gasol than it is Mills not working as well with Manu as we thought.

Explore the 5 man lineups. You'll see that lineups which feature Manu and Gasol seem to underperform.

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=MIN&dir=1

[rastaspur]

The writer of that article cherry picked. What brings down the Patty/Manu rating is the -1.7 net rating they have when Gasol is in the lineup with them alongside LMA and Kawhi. When Dedmon is switched out for Gasol, the net rating jumps to 14.3.

Gasol/Manu pairing is only at a +4.6 net, in the bottom 3rd of all pairings. So it's more about Manu not really working with Gasol than it is Mills not working as well with Manu as we thought.

Explore the 5 man lineups. You'll see that lineups which feature Manu and Gasol seem to underperform.

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=MIN&dir=1

Gonna check it out. Thanks for link.

[midnightpulp]

Gonna check it out. Thanks for link.

To make it simple, no 5 man lineup with over 20 minutes together that has both Gasol and Manu has a net rating of over 6.0.

[rastaspur]

To make it simple, no 5 man lineup with over 20 minutes together that has both Gasol and Manu has a net rating of over 6.0.

Ouch.

[FkLA]

The writer of that article cherry picked. What brings down the Patty/Manu rating is the -1.7 net rating they have when Gasol is in the lineup with them alongside LMA and Kawhi. When Dedmon is switched out for Gasol, the net rating jumps to 14.3.

Gasol/Manu pairing is only at a +4.6 net, in the bottom 3rd of all pairings. So it's more about Manu not really working with Gasol than it is Mills not working as well with Manu as we thought.

Explore the 5 man lineups. You'll see that lineups which feature Manu and Gasol seem to underperform.

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612759&sort=MIN&dir=1


Trying to credit Patty for the run Pau and Manu sparked :lmao



Damn just give it a rest, brah. Nobody is saying Paddy is some world beater, or that he'd be anywhere near the player prime Enrique was. But Rique is so fucking bad that it's hard to see the team ringing with him getting 25-30 MPG. They most likely wouldn't ring with Paddy getting 30-33 MPG either but it's worth finding out instead of trotting out Enrique and letting him lead us to the slaughter house again.

[RD2191]

:lol OP consistently with the bads. :lol

[dabom]

Damn just give it a rest, brah. Nobody is saying Paddy is some world beater, or that he'd be anywhere near the player prime Enrique was. But Rique is so fucking bad that it's hard to see the team ringing with him getting 25-30 MPG. They most likely wouldn't ring with Paddy getting 30-33 MPG either but it's worth finding out instead of trotting out Enrique and letting him lead us to the slaughter house again.

Dayyymmmeeee. :lmao

[FkLA]

To make it simple, no 5 man lineup with over 20 minutes together that has both Gasol and Manu has a net rating of over 6.0.

So, should we move Pau back to the SL to minimize that pairing? You seemed opposed a few posts earlier. Do we move Manu into the SL alongside Paddy and keep Pau on the bench? You were also opposed to that.

I don't get your insistence. You're working so hard and going around in circles to find reasons why we should start a TOSB who has shown he will let us down three years in a row.

[midnightpulp]

Damn just give it a rest, brah. Nobody is saying Paddy is some world beater, or that he'd be anywhere near the player prime Enrique was. But Rique is so fucking bad that it's hard to see the team ringing with him getting 25-30 MPG. They most likely wouldn't ring with Paddy getting 30-33 MPG either but it's worth finding out instead of trotting out Enrique and letting him lead us to the slaughter house again.

Here's my logic (providing all teams are healthy):

Patty starting, getting major minutes: 0% chance to ring.

Tony starting: 1% chance to ring if (big IF, like 1% chance if) he manages to find a gear for a playoff series against the Warriors.

And give what a rest? Parker haters don't think things through. You see Patty coming in, sparking a run, and think it's automatically transferable to him starting or playing more minutes. When and how Patty comes in is carefully designed, giving him and that lineup the best chances to spark said run.

And I don't want Parker getting 25-30 min unless he really shows something. I'm okay with 20-22 minutes for him, 22ish minutes for Patty, with Manu maybe sharing time at point. Patty can't play 30-35 playoff minutes against the Westbrooks, Currys, Lillards, Pauls.

[rastaspur]

Here's my logic (providing all teams are healthy):

Patty starting, getting major minutes: 0% chance to ring.

Tony starting: 1% chance to ring if (big IF, like 1% chance if) he manages to find a gear for a playoff series against the Warriors.

And give what a rest? Parker haters don't think things through. You see Patty coming in, sparking a run, and think it's automatically transferable to him starting or playing more minutes. When and how Patty comes in is carefully designed, giving him and that lineup the best chances to spark said run.

And I don't want Parker getting 25-30 min unless he really shows something. I'm okay with 20-22 minutes for him, 22ish minutes for Patty, with Manu maybe sharing time at point. Patty can't play 30-35 playoff minutes against the Westbrooks, Currys, Lillards, Pauls.

Tony starting and playing over 20 minutes a game = negative ten percent chance. Imo

The stats you quote just further cement a zero percent chance with the current selection of guards. It is what it is.

It is what it is and it aint what it aint. I wish they could win but I know they cant.

[midnightpulp]

So, should we move Pau back to the SL to minimize that pairing? You seemed opposed a few posts earlier. Do we move Manu into the SL alongside Paddy and keep Pau on the bench? You were also opposed to that.

I don't get your insistence. You're working so hard and going around in circles to find reasons why we should start a TOSB who has shown he will let us down three years in a row.

Do you know what I wanted? Murray developed, so that if Parker needed to be benched (like benched in him getting no playing time), we preserve the Patty + bench line change. All your silly plan does is move that TOSB to the bench where he'll kill one of the most effective weapons the Spurs have.

Pop has already minimized the pairing. The killer +23 lineup has the 4th most minutes together on the team.

And Patty didn't let us down last year? He was the worst player in the OKC series by far. Parker actually played up to par.

Patty hasn't proven shit aside from the Clippers series that one time in the 4th quarter and nailing a few threes in game 5 in the 2014 Finals. Speedy Claxton also had nice playoff games.

[FkLA]

Here's my logic (providing all teams are healthy):

Patty starting, getting major minutes: 0% chance to ring.

Tony starting: 1% chance to ring if (big IF, like 1% chance if) he manages to find a gear for a playoff series against the Warriors.

And give what a rest? Parker haters don't think things through. You see Patty coming in, sparking a run, and think it's automatically transferable to him starting or playing more minutes. When and how Patty comes in is carefully designed, giving him and that lineup the best chances to spark said run.

And I don't want Parker getting 25-30 min unless he really shows something. I'm okay with 20-22 minutes for him, 22ish minutes for Patty, with Manu maybe sharing time at point. Patty can't play 30-35 playoff minutes against the Westbrooks, Currys, Lillards, Pauls.

You're just assuming with Paddy though. Let's find out. If they flame out with Paddy, the end result would be the same as if we trotted out Rique anyways.

And yeah, he can't stay with those PGs but he can stay with Roberson, Mbah a Moute, and whoever the Portland SF is. Just like Enrique does. GS, well fuck those cheat code using faggots.

[midnightpulp]

You're just assuming with Paddy though. Let's find out. If they flame out with Paddy, the end result would be the same as if we trotted out Rique anyways.

And yeah, he can't stay with those PGs but he can stay with Roberson, Mbah a Moute, and whoever the Portland SF is. Just like Enrique does. GS, well fuck those cheat code using faggots.

Not really. We rolled with him last year against OKC. He got to close games and play 15 minutes per, and averaged a big 4 points on .231 from downtown. And the reason for his minutes reduction was because of his abysmal game 2 (got 21 minutes, went 2-9, including a missed wide open gamewinner).

[FkLA]

Do you know what I wanted? Murray developed, so that if Parker needed to be benched (like benched in him getting no playing time), we preserve the Patty + bench line change. All your silly plan does is move that TOSB to the bench where he'll kill one of the most effective weapons the Spurs have.

Pop has already minimized the pairing. The killer +23 lineup has the 4th most minutes together on the team.

And Patty didn't let us down last year? He was the worst player in the OKC series by far. Parker actually played up to par.

Patty hasn't proven shit aside from the Clippers series that one time in the 4th quarter and nailing a few threes in game 5 in the 2014 Finals. Speedy Claxton also had nice playoff games.

Meh, rotations shorten in the playoffs and starters play bigger minutes. That big bench advantage the Spurs have will diminish once they face tougher opposition. Give him the Dejuan Blair treatment and let him start all regular season if you want to keep that bench advantage, but in the playoffs when assholes get tight I want Paddy out there. He's not a proven commodity by any means but TOSB Enrique is, and not in a good way. That alone is reason enough to give Paddy a shot at big minutes.

[midnightpulp]

Meh, rotations shorten in the playoffs and starters play bigger minutes. That big bench advantage the Spurs have will diminish once they face tougher opposition. Give him the Dejuan Blair treatment and let him start all regular season if you want to keep that bench advantage, but in the playoffs when assholes get tight I want Paddy out there. He's not a proven commodity by any means but TOSB Enrique is, and not in a good way. That alone is reason enough to give Paddy a shot at big minutes.

A deep bench is our only shot. We're not top-loaded enough to go with a short rotation against the Warriors.

They got 3 guys who are all a threat for 30-40 points. We have one and a half (if LMA also finds a gear).

[FkLA]

Not really. We rolled with him last year against OKC. He got to close games and play 15 minutes per, and averaged a big 4 points on .231 from downtown. And the reason for his minutes reduction was because of his abysmal game 2 (got 21 minutes, went 2-9, including a missed wide open gamewinner).

Nah, I'm talking about really rolling with him. As in you can play as bad as '15 Enrique did and we are still going with you. Still running plays to get you looks.

[gambit1990]

Damn just give it a rest, brah. Nobody is saying Paddy is some world beater, or that he'd be anywhere near the player prime Enrique was. But Rique is so fucking bad that it's hard to see the team ringing with him getting 25-30 MPG. They most likely wouldn't ring with Paddy getting 30-33 MPG either but it's worth finding out instead of trotting out Enrique and letting him lead us to the slaughter house again.

:lol OP consistently with the bads. :lol

Tony starting and playing over 20 minutes a game = negative ten percent chance. Imo

You're just assuming with Paddy though. Let's find out. If they flame out with Paddy, the end result would be the same as if we trotted out Rique anyways.

And yeah, he can't stay with those PGs but he can stay with Roberson, Mbah a Moute, and whoever the Portland SF is. Just like Enrique does.
one thing mid and tony have in common is that they should both retire.

[UZER]

Damn just give it a rest, brah. Nobody is saying Paddy is some world beater, or that he'd be anywhere near the player prime Enrique was. But Rique is so fucking bad that it's hard to see the team ringing with him getting 25-30 MPG. They most likely wouldn't ring with Paddy getting 30-33 MPG either but it's worth finding out instead of trotting out Enrique and letting him lead us to the slaughter house again.

Yup. That's the mentality that has Murray eliminated from playoff contributions before the season even starts, regardless of what he shows in the regular season.

[TD 21]

Do you know what I wanted? Murray developed, so that if Parker needed to be benched (like benched in him getting no playing time), we preserve the Patty + bench line change. All your silly plan does is move that TOSB to the bench where he'll kill one of the most effective weapons the Spurs have.

:tu

Some (or one, with numerous "alts") of these idiots are just trolling, but some clearly don't understand this.

It's not about the better one starting or picking one over the other, it's about them needing to do it the way they do it, so that the team has it's best chance to function well over 48 minutes.

How a fan base that's gotten to witness, at the very least the best sixth man of his generation, doesn't comprehend this, is beyond me.

[hater]

Well go niwhere without Head of Da Snake imo

[DAF86]

At this point, I don't see how starting Murray (when he's back) would make the team worse than having Tony out there. On offense he couldn't possible be much worst than Tony's 0/4 ppg while making life much more difficult for everyone else with his lack of ability to keep a defense honest, and on defense it would be lights out. Murray would give us the chance to switch 1 through 3 without much implications, against most teams.