dabom's predictable compulsory post-loss thread

[dabom]

I'd say if Spurs had balls, they'd be able to fix their problems easily.

[DPG21920]

How many problems can a team with the 2nd best record have?

[dabom]

How many problems can a team with the 2nd best record have?

You can have many. Faggot. :lmao

[Robz4000]

How many problems can a team with the 2nd best record have?

Not that I'm 100% agreeing with dabom, but let's not act like the team's record means much outside seeding purposes. The team has a plethora of problems, some of which stem from all three listed (and the salaries of two of them).

[vander]

it will be even more next year

[DPG21920]

Not that I'm 100% agreeing with dabom, but let's not act like the team's record means much outside seeding purposes. The team has a plethora of problems, some of which stem from all three listed (and the salaries of two of them).

If this team has a plethora of problems then every team in the league does. Their record does mean a lot. It doesn't mean they dont have problems, but if your definition of a problem is that they aren't clear cut favorites well there is nothing that can be done with that.

Any problems that stem from the 3 listed also comes with the good that they do and the reality in which we live.

What realistic trades can you or daboom propose using those 3 that would solve the "problems"?

[GSH]

I'd say if Spurs had balls, they'd be able to fix their problems easily.

How many problems can a team with the 2nd best record have?


Wrong question, DPG. The real question is, "What would Dabom know about having balls?"

[dabom]

If this team has a plethora of problems then every team in the league does. Their record does mean a lot. It doesn't mean they dont have problems, but if your definition of a problem is that they aren't clear cut favorites well there is nothing that can be done with that.

Any problems that stem from the 3 listed also comes with the good that they do and the reality in which we live.

What realistic trades can you are daboom propose using those 3 that would solve the "problems"?

The offseason is far away. It's too far to think now of the available players and which resign with their teams.

[dabom]

Wrong question, DPG. The real question is, "What would Dabom know about having balls?"

They go in your sister's mouth, for one. :lol

[DPG21920]

The offseason is far away. It's too far to think now of the available players and which resign with their teams.

But the guys you listed are under contract and have nothing to do with FA. You were implying trading them because that is all that can be done since they are all in fact under contract.

[dabom]

But the guys you listed are under contract and have nothing to do with FA. You were implying trading them because that is all that can be done since they are all in fact under contract.

We have to see which teams are willing to part ways with players and which players are upset in their teams by that time. Pretty far you stupid fuck. :lmao

[K...]

I AGREE WITH DABOM< WE SHOULD MAKE TRADES TO GET WORSE SO KAWHI FORCETRADE HIMSESELF LEAVE TO A BETTER TEAM SOONER/ POP DIES AND DUNCAN RETURNS

[DPG21920]

We have to see which teams are willing to part ways with players and which players are upset in their teams by that time. Pretty far you stupid fuck. :lmao

So it's pretty far away and you make a thread about it today :lol Makes a lot of sense.

[dabom]

So it's pretty far away and you make a thread about it today :lol Makes a lot of sense.

I understand the problem in a nuclear level. Something you don't get. :lol

[Robz4000]

If this team has a plethora of problems then every team in the league does. Their record does mean a lot. It doesn't mean they dont have problems, but if your definition of a problem is that they aren't clear cut favorites well there is nothing that can be done with that.

Any problems that stem from the 3 listed also comes with the good that they do and the reality in which we live.

What realistic trades can you are daboom propose using those 3 that would solve the "problems"?

I'm more pissed off that they're in the situation with Porker and Gasol in the first place tbh. Porker I can somewhat understand because he was still a top PG at the time of his extension (albeit they should've done more homework on how guards in his mold age). Gasol on the other hand was an awful decision by PATFO that resulted from bad decisions made since the 2014 title (and really since the 2011-12 season).

As for the record, the franchise has seen plenty of years with a gaudy record come crashing down early in the postseason. They're better than 24-25 teams in the league but that's mostly due to the sorry state of the league these days.

There's not much the team can do with Parker and Gasol trade-wise (and I understand they'd never move Parker regardless), but they shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

[DPG21920]

I'm more pissed off that they're in the situation with Porker and Gasol in the first place tbh. Porker I can somewhat understand because he was still a top PG at the time of his extension (albeit they should've done more homework on how guards in his mold age). Gasol on the other hand was an awful decision by PATFO that resulted from bad decisions made since the 2014 title (and really since the 2011-12 season).

As for the record, the franchise has seen plenty of years with a gaudy record come crashing down early in the postseason. They're better than 24-25 teams in the league but that's mostly due to the sorry state of the league these days.

There's not much the team can do with Parker and Gasol trade-wise (and I understand they'd never move Parker regardless), but they shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

I mean, if you agree that keeping TP was right at the time (it was easily), then the only "mistake" is Pau. But even then Pau has been decent enough, filled the exact need they had (Tim leaving) and was the one guy they could reasonably afford. Sure, KD and others would have been ideal but they didn't have a shot at that.

Plus, with Pau, this team is still a contender even if they have flaws. That is the best you can do. You have to sign someone and not only did they do that, they got him on a very short deal compared to virtually all other deals handed out. Even with up's and down's with a new roster this team is winning and a contender; even if it's "fringe".

That's what I meant by my "how many problems" question. I'm aware they have holes, but they really didn't make too many mistakes at all and are still very, very good.

[RD2191]

As if record matters when it comes to the spurs. :lol this team won't make it past the 2ND round, it's pretty obvious to any non homer fan.

[DPG21920]

I'm more pissed off that they're in the situation with Porker and Gasol in the first place tbh. Porker I can somewhat understand because he was still a top PG at the time of his extension (albeit they should've done more homework on how guards in his mold age). Gasol on the other hand was an awful decision by PATFO that resulted from bad decisions made since the 2014 title (and really since the 2011-12 season).

As for the record, the franchise has seen plenty of years with a gaudy record come crashing down early in the postseason. They're better than 24-25 teams in the league but that's mostly due to the sorry state of the league these days.

There's not much the team can do with Parker and Gasol trade-wise (and I understand they'd never move Parker regardless), but they shouldn't be in this position in the first place.

And bad decisions since the title? :lol? They were a playoff team both years after the title and signed LaMarcus (biggest FA that year) one year after the title.

I mean damn, tough crowd.

[DPG21920]

As if record matters when it comes to the spurs. :lol this team won't make it past the 2ND round, it's pretty obvious to any non homer fan.

So in context, what can you do? Sorry Lebron exists and that KD chose GS. What more could they do? Force other teams to just hand over their best players?

[BillMc]

As if record matters when it comes to the spurs. :lol this team won't make it past the 2ND round, it's pretty obvious to any non homer fan.

So, you give us no chance to beat the Rockets, the team we'd currently meet in the second round?

[dabom]

So in context, what can you do? Sorry Lebron exists and that KD chose GS. What more could they do? Force other teams to just hand over their best players?

We're talking about the future. The past is done. That's what this thread is for. :lmao

[DPG21920]

We're talking about the future. The past is done. That's what this thread is for. :lmao

I know - what can they do?

[dabom]

I know - what can they do?

Trade porker. If they had the balls.

[Robz4000]

I mean, if you agree that keeping TP was right at the time (it was easily), then the only "mistake" is Pau. But even then Pau has been decent enough, filled the exact need they had (Tim leaving) and was the one guy they could reasonably afford. Sure, KD and others would have been ideal but they didn't have a shot at that.

Plus, with Pau, this team is still a contender even if they have flaws. That is the best you can do. You have to sign someone and not only did they do that, they got him on a very short deal compared to virtually all other deals handed out. Even with up's and down's with a new roster this team is winning and a contender; even if it's "fringe".

That's what I meant by my "how many problems" question. I'm aware they have holes, but they really didn't make too many mistakes at all and are still very, very good.

I never said giving Tony that extension was the right move, just saying I can understand why they made the mistake. As for Gasol, it most definitely was a mistake and all anyone had to do in the FO to realize it was to watch his games with Chicago last year and compare them to his advanced numbers. Even Chicago fans, some of the most retarded in all of sports, hated his play. I know MVPau is a great guy and locker room presence, but on the court he really doesn't help the Spurs and it'll be felt most once we get into the post-ASB and playoffs when teams really start attacking him and Parker on the PnR while Gasol can't rebound to save his life.

[DPG21920]

Trade porker. If they had the balls.

That's not good enough. Trade Parker for who specifically. Lay out a well though out and CBA-compliant plan.

[DPG21920]

I never said giving Tony that extension was the right move, just saying I can understand why they made the mistake. As for Gasol, it most definitely was a mistake and all anyone had to do in the FO to realize it was to watch his games with Chicago last year and compare them to his advanced numbers. Even Chicago fans, some of the most retarded in all of sports, hated his play. I know MVPau is a great guy and locker room presence, but on the court he really doesn't help the Spurs and it'll be felt most once we get into the post-ASB and playoffs when teams really start attacking him and Parker on the PnR while Gasol can't rebound to save his life.

But you are ignoring that they had to sign someone - who else would you have liked them to sign that you think they had a realistic shot at to fill that void?

You are also ignoring that even with signing Pau, they did it on one of the shortest deals of the off-season and that with him they have the 2nd best record. How big of a "problem" or "mistake" is that really?

[dabom]

That's not good enough. Trade Parker for who specifically. Lay out a well though out and CBA-compliant plan.

Why are you asking if I already answered that it would be dumb trying to piece a trade so far away. But the team needs to understand that. What don't you understand faggot? :lmao

[GSH]

We have to see which teams are willing to part ways with players and which players are upset in their teams by that time. Pretty far you stupid fuck. :lmao

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[RD2191]

So, you give us no chance to beat the Rockets, the team we'd currently meet in the second round?

Tbh I'm not sure. I just don't like what I see with this team when they play other top teams in the league. People like to downplay the regular season but the past couple of seasons we had basically zero signature wins in the regular season and we all know how the playoffs turned out. If I see some convincing wins against the cavs/dubs/clips then I might have a change of opinion.

[gilmor]

Trade porker. If they had the balls.

Trade for who? CP3 not going to come.. if CP3 is willing and take a salary cut, pull the trigger..

[dabom]

Porker stans. Reminds me of the times they said he was going to get better. Now it's a, "we'll hes a spurs for life and can't get cut" defense now. :lmao

It's gonna happen that we lose porker. It's up to the FO to make the right decision. :lol

[BillMc]

Tbh I'm not sure. I just don't like what I see with this team when they play other top teams in the league. People like to downplay the regular season but the past couple of seasons we had basically zero signature wins in the regular season and we all know how the playoffs turned out. If I see some convincing wins against the cavs/dubs/clips then I might have a change of opinion.

Fair enough but didn't we have a signature win against the Dubs opening night?

[DPG21920]

Why are you asking if I already answered that it would be dumb trying to piece a trade so far away. But the team needs to understand that. What don't you understand faggot? :lmao

So then why make the thread now :lol?

You make a thread, get called, claim it's too far for any actual content for said thread then say others don't understand :lol.

You are correct, no one understands why you made this thread with absoultely no content.

[Robz4000]

And bad decisions since the title? :lol? They were a playoff team both years after the title and signed LaMarcus (biggest FA that year) one year after the title.

I mean damn, tough crowd.

I liked the LMA signing (and still do), but once they saw what they had with Leonard in the 2014 Finals (and with Duncan approaching the end of his career) they should've been looking for players that compliment his game. Instead the Spurs have a flawed roster with no dynamic playmakers and repetitive players in LMA/Gasol. The only good move they've made.for the future other than the obvious pursuit and signing of LMA is drafting Murray and we're still 2/3 years away from seeing how much of a good move it'll be.

[DPG21920]

Why are you asking if I already answered that it would be dumb trying to piece a trade so far away. But the team needs to understand that. What don't you understand faggot? :lmao

Also, the trade deadline is in like 45 days :lol

[dabom]

So then why make the thread now :lol?

You make a thread, get called, claim it's too far for any actual content for said thread then say others don't understand :lol.

You are correct, no one understands why you made this thread with absoultely no content.

This thread is very valid. We have to prepare to see which of these players we need to cut. :lol

That's always the starting point. Then, we figure out the best available players for that position/transition.

[dabom]

Also, the trade deadline is in like 45 days :lol

I'm talking about the offseason. :lmao

We can get better players.

[DPG21920]

I liked the LMA signing (and still do), but once they saw what they had with Leonard in the 2014 Finals (and with Duncan approaching the end of his career) they should've been looking for players that compliment his game. Instead the Spurs have a flawed roster with no dynamic playmakers and repetitive players in LMA/Gasol. The only good move they've made.for the future other than the obvious pursuit and signing of LMA is drafting Murray and we're still 2/3 years away from seeing how much of a good move it'll be.

Well, with a hobbled Tim last year SA was a few bs calls from making another WCF. It's not crazy to think that Pau is better than hobbled Tim last year and may be enough if Danny/Patty rebounded to make another solid run.

They did all of this without strapping themselves to Pau for more than 2 years (maybe only 1).

[ducks]

Leonard sucked last night

[DPG21920]

I'm talking about the offseason. :lmao

We can get better players.

Now it's the off season :lmao

[BillMc]

I liked the LMA signing (and still do), but once they saw what they had with Leonard in the 2014 Finals (and with Duncan approaching the end of his career) they should've been looking for players that compliment his game. Instead the Spurs have a flawed roster with no dynamic playmakers and repetitive players in LMA/Gasol. The only good move they've made.for the future other than the obvious pursuit and signing of LMA is drafting Murray and we're still 2/3 years away from seeing how much of a good move it'll be.

I think (as you do) that signing LMA was a good move, as was locking up Kawhi and Danny that same offseason. They also got a rotation player (though a flawed one) for nothing in Simmons. Summer 2015 alone made sure the Spurs would stay relevant.

[RD2191]

Fair enough but didn't we have a signature win against the Dubs opening night?

I don't see it as one. It was the first game of the season and KDs first game with the dubs.

[dabom]

Now it's the off season :lmao

I never had a position. You just assumed one. :lmao

Are you the biggest faggot on ST? :lmao

[dabom]

Porker stans. Reminds me of the times they said he was going to get better. Now it's a, "we'll hes a spurs for life and can't get cut" defense now. :lmao

It's gonna happen that we lose porker. It's up to the FO to make the right decision. :lol

No one bumping this though. :lol

Too much truth cereal. :lol

[DPG21920]

Thanks for the futuristic no content, no plan thread :tu

[BillMc]

I don't see it as one. It was the first game of the season and KDs first game with the dubs.

Okay, we'll agree to disagree on that. Those March games with the Dubs will be interesting.

[GSH]

But you are ignoring that they had to sign someone - who else would you have liked them to sign that you think they had a realistic shot at to fill that void?

You are also ignoring that even with signing Pau, they did it on one of the shortest deals of the off-season and that with him they have the 2nd best record. How big of a "problem" or "mistake" is that really?


They didn't trade Parker for Curry or LeBron. If they had any balls, they would have made one of those deals happen. Don't you get it?

[Robz4000]

But you are ignoring that they had to sign someone - who else would you have liked them to sign that you think they had a realistic shot at to fill that void?

You are also ignoring that even with signing Pau, they did it on one of the shortest deals of the off-season and that with him they have the 2nd best record. How big of a "problem" or "mistake" is that really?

I was with Harlem on Dedmon and thought he'd be a great fit next to LMA. Then there'd of been Gasol's money to use on the pursuit of a playmaking guard like Clarkson/Wade (longshot obviously)/Lin/etc. Even then, just because you have the money doesn't mean you need to spend it. Gasol was not going to replace what Duncan brought to the team the last few years. Hell, he hurts the team thanks to his poor effort/defense that rubs off on LMA and in turn hurts Kawhi, Green, and Parker (who already struggles enough on the defensive end). The problem with this team was never going to be offense since it was going to be Kawhi/LMA heavy as is; adding a player who was going to take shots away from LMA wasn't going to aid the offense.

[DPG21920]

I was with Harlem on Dedmon and thought he'd be a great fit next to LMA. Then there'd of been Gasol's money to use on the pursuit of a playmaking guard like Clarkson/Wade (longshot obviously)/Lin/etc. Even then, just because you have the money doesn't mean you need to spend it. Gasol was not going to replace what Duncan brought to the team the last few years. Hell, he hurts the team thanks to his poor effort/defense that rubs off on LMA and in turn hurts Kawhi, Green, and Parker (who already struggles enough on the defensive end). The problem with this team was never going to be offense since it was going to be Kawhi/LMA heavy as is; adding a player who was going to take shots away from LMA wasn't going to aid the offense.

We just have to disagree. This is a case where your logic on paper obviously doesn't match up with what you are seeing. At the end of the day it's a short deal so that limits any mistake. Secondly if TP/Pau were as bad as you are saying, there is no way SA has the 2nd best record in the league.

Even you said they are at least better than 25 other teams; think about that with what you are saying now.

[Robz4000]

Well, with a hobbled Tim last year SA was a few bs calls from making another WCF. It's not crazy to think that Pau is better than hobbled Tim last year and may be enough if Danny/Patty rebounded to make another solid run.

They did all of this without strapping themselves to Pau for more than 2 years (maybe only 1).

They really weren't though. Outside the first game OKC looked like the superior team and Pop's rotations escalated the problems. On top of that, Tim on no knees still looks like the much superior player on defense, was still the same level of passer, and effort was never a problem with him. Like I said, this team never needed another offensive big next to LMA and Kawhi, but another defender to help mitigate what they lost in Duncan to take the load off LMA/Leonard on defense.

[FkLA]

Porker is by far the biggest problem. Pau is a problem too. LMA isn't.

[DPG21920]

They really weren't though. Outside the first game OKC looked like the superior team and Pop's rotations escalated the problems. On top of that, Tim on no knees still looks like the much superior player on defense, was still the same level of passer, and effort was never a problem with him. Like I said, this team never needed another offensive big next to LMA and Kawhi, but another defender to help mitigate what they lost in Duncan to take the load off LMA/Leonard on defense.

What? I wrote many long and detailed posts about how SA pretty clearly was the better team. The bad calls and a lot of fluky play is the only reason it was even close tbh...

[DPG21920]

They really weren't though. Outside the first game OKC looked like the superior team and Pop's rotations escalated the problems. On top of that, Tim on no knees still looks like the much superior player on defense, was still the same level of passer, and effort was never a problem with him. Like I said, this team never needed another offensive big next to LMA and Kawhi, but another defender to help mitigate what they lost in Duncan to take the load off LMA/Leonard on defense.

Who though? They got Dedmon too.

[Robz4000]

We just have to disagree. This is a case where your logic on paper obviously doesn't match up with what you are seeing. At the end of the day it's a short deal so that limits any mistake. Secondly if TP/Pau were as bad as you are saying, there is no way SA has the 2nd best record in the league.

Even you said they are at least better than 25 other teams; think about that with what you are saying now.

They can have the second-best record because teams aren't attacking that weakness as much as they could be. Teams aren't going to make changes to their offensive gameplan during the regular season. Once the playoffs role around and teams start seriously game planning they will go at the Parker/Gasol mismatches.

They're better than 25 other teams because the league hasn't been this top heavy in a long time; other teams just don't have the talent to compete. However, come playoff time the Spurs will be seeing the other five teams that have similar, if not superior talent on top of the ability and experience to exploit the Spurs' problems.

[DPG21920]

They can have the second-best record because teams aren't attacking that weakness as much as they could be. Teams aren't going to make changes to their offensive gameplan during the regular season. Once the playoffs role around and teams start seriously game planning they will go at the Parker/Gasol mismatches.

They're better than 25 other teams because the league hasn't been this top heavy in a long time; other teams just don't have the talent to compete. However, come playoff time the Spurs will be seeing the other five teams that have similar, if not superior talent on top of the ability and experience to exploit the Spurs' problems.

Ok, sure, but with all the variables in consideration SA is still a top 5 team. Again, people's definition of problem seems to be "SA didn't get all studs on amazing contracts to ensure they are a team with little to no flaws that is a clear cut favorite".

Yes, in the playoffs, SA will face good teams. SA will also be one of the good teams with as good of a shot as all but 2 teams to win it all if things break right.

[Robz4000]

What? I wrote many long and detailed posts about how SA pretty clearly was the better team. The bad calls and a lot of fluky play is the only reason it was even close tbh...

The Spurs were mutilated on the boards, Kawhi didn't play up to par, the bench was bad, Pop was too stubborn or maybe even clueless when it came to rotations and gameplans, the lack of athleticism and explosiveness was too much. The officiating was a joke, but two of the games were blowouts in the Thunder's favor for a reason.

[DPG21920]

And Rob, I'm not going at you. I just think it's easy to get caught up in what if's without really evaluating what is happening and what realistically could have been done better.

When you really talk it out and look back at things and combine that with where they currently are, IMO, you start to see the bigger picture.

Spurs have flaws. The FO has not done a perfect job. They aren't favorites at all. But having said all that, in context of what could have been done and what was done, they have done a damn good job with room to improve as the new guys get more and more comfortable.

Then if things don't work out this year or really fall off, they aren't handcuffed long-term at all. They gave themselves room on both ends of the spectrum (contender & rebuild) and that is incredibly difficult to do.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs were mutilated on the boards, Kawhi didn't play up to par, the bench was bad, Pop was too stubborn or maybe even clueless when it came to rotations and gameplans, the lack of athleticism and explosiveness was too much. The officiating was a joke, but two of the games were blowouts in the Thunder's favor for a reason.

Fluky shooting had a ton to do with that. Combined with bad calls. Spurs offense generated so many more uncontested looks and just flat out missed from guys that usually don't.

Then not only did OKC create less of those looks (Spurs defense was contesting) they were hitting the tougher looks with lower percentage players.

REB was a huge issue, but even with that, SA created better looks, played better defense and just missed too many open ones combined with terrible calls.

[TXstbobcat]

Trade porker. If they had the balls.

Unfortunately, Parker has another 15 million left on his contract owed to him for next year. I seriously doubt there's a team out there but is willing to trade for Parker this season. If the Spurs chose to deal Parker, next season would be more of a possibility as his expiring contract will have more value to other teams next season.

[DPG21920]

They didn't trade Parker for Curry or LeBron. If they had any balls, they would have made one of those deals happen. Don't you get it?

:lol. Starts a thread. Gets asked about it. Claims its too far in the future to discuss while simply saying "if the team had balls".

Idiot of the highest order.

[Robz4000]

Who though? They got Dedmon too.

They got Dedmon, but since they also got Gasol Pop feels like he must start since he's a vet whose earned his keep and "gotten over himself". If they didn't go after Gasol we most likely see Dedmon starting with another playmaking guard on the roster.


Ok, sure, but with all the variables in consideration SA is still a top 5 team. Again, people's definition of problem seems to be "SA didn't get all studs on amazing contracts to ensure they are a team with little to no flaws that is a clear cut favorite".

Yes, in the playoffs, SA will face good teams. SA will also be one of the good teams with as good of a shot as all but 2 teams to win it all if things break right.

They won the title in 2014 and were top contenders from 2012-15 not because they "had all the studs" but because they were a versatile team that didn't put names above team needs. They went for Gasol this past offseason because he was a name, not because of what holes he could fill; if it were the opposite he'd of never been brought in in the first place.

The Spurs will be one of the good teams, but they'll be the team everyone wants to face due to a lack of fear. The Clippers are not better overall, but they might as well be due to how well they match up. Rockets may end up being the better team, but I could see the Spurs beating them in the series. Utah and OKC could definitely beat the Spurs in the first round since they have the players, coaching staff, and styles of play that can attack the Spurs' weaknesses.

[Chinook]

Parker, LMA, and Pau are getting paid $60 Million this year...

...and none of them missed two clutch shots at the end of the last game.

The game last night had nothing to do with Tony. He shot as much as he needed to. The problem was that Leonard wasn't up to playing but played anyway and that Pop kept going to him even when it was clear he was only getting muddy water out of that well. If Kawhi sits, the Spurs probably win.

That has nothing to do with Kawhi's overall importance to the team's chances of contending. He's like Giga-Aldridge in the sense that the team simply needs his talent to have any chance to win. It's all about how the offense goes to shit when Kawhi is in unless he's hitting shots an his usual unreal rate. The team can survive with no Kawhi for regular-season games, but they've really struggled with off-Kawhi this season.

[DPG21920]

But none of that really changes the point of what I said ^. But I've said more than my share - you have your mind made up on it.

[Robz4000]

My problem is that, seeing that the Dubs and Cavs are vulnerable and the rest of the league being mediocre, the Spurs made the wrong decisions to capitalize on it. Yes, they didn't know that, but signing Gasol and ignoring the backcourt issues feels more like the team was resigned to mediocrity as well and just wanted to keep butts in the AT&T Center (which is failing anyway).

[dabom]

Anyone that thinks this post is about the RS. :lmao

Guy said LMA would be more efficient than Kawhi and should be the first option. :lmao

[DPG21920]

My problem is that, seeing that the Dubs and Cavs are vulnerable and the rest of the league being mediocre, the Spurs made the wrong decisions to capitalize on it. Yes, they didn't know that, but signing Gasol and ignoring the backcourt issues feels more like the team was resigned to mediocrity as well and just wanted to keep butts in the AT&T Center (which is failing anyway).

Disagree 100%. There were no realistic backcourt options that I saw them pass on for both Pau's money/years.

[DPG21920]

Anyone that thinks this post is about the RS. :lmao

Guy said LMA would be more efficient than Kawhi and should be the first option. :lmao

This post is sh*t and adds no value, context or clarity. Shut up.

[dabom]

This post is sh*t and adds no value, context or clarity. Shut up.

Since you're a stupid fuck you wouldn't know the context. Anyone with a brain knows who it's directed at. :lmao

[Chinook]

First off, Dedmon is hardly someone you can trust with a starting job. Especially recently, he doesn't look to be a stable commodity. Having him as the second-best big on the team would be disastrous, especially for the grind of the regular season. Gasol doubles as someone who has stepped in for Duncan and someone who can step in for LMA when Aldridge needs a rest. He added talent to a team that had little that wasn't old. Also, the team really wanted more front-court talent to make for mismatches with GS. What we saw in the first game of the season was their plan in action. Gotta get that to be the norm by late-March.

The Spurs were so good in 2012-2015 because they had a Big Three who were still more great than done and a Medium Three that was a good as most teams' top guys. The Spurs were oozing with talent those years thanks to smart drafting and guys taking less to stay on. That simply wasn't going to happen when the team signed LMA. Once you have to go under the cap, it takes years to accumulate the talent you had when you could stay over. The Spurs will likely not have it back until 2020, but then LMA will likely be done or off the team.

Anyway, I wasn't in love with the Gasol signing, but I believed the team needed a legit offensive starter next to LMA and not the complimentary piece others wanted. I REALLY wanted a really good scoring guard as well and considered that the top priority, but once Manu came back, that was out the window. More than the salary, just having Manu and Tony on the team taking up rotation spots with Green and Mills already established killed the effect that signing a big-money guard would have had. The only recourse now is hoping the three oldies play well when the time comes.

[Ice009]

You are also ignoring that even with signing Pau, they did it on one of the shortest deals of the off-season and that with him they have the 2nd best record. How big of a "problem" or "mistake" is that really?

They've got the "second-best" record (for now), but really, they're not playing anything like the second best team. The way they are playing, if they continue playing like this, they'll lose that "second-best" record quite quickly when they start playing other top teams consistently.

They keep doing the same thing, game after game - it's like they're not learning anything. Being down at home to teams that are struggling like Portland and Phoenix isn't going to cut it. A team that consistently does that is second round fodder. I know Kawhi was out, but it's not like they haven't been doing the same thing at home with him there too.

[DPG21920]

They've got the "second-best" record (for now), but really, they're not playing anything like the second best team. The way they are playing, if they continue playing like this, they'll lose that "second-best" record quite quickly when they start playing other top teams consistently.

They keep doing the same thing, game after game - it's like they're not learning anything. Being down at home to teams that are struggling like Portland and Phoenix isn't going to cut it. A team that consistently does that is second round fodder. I know Kawhi was out, but it's not like they haven't been doing the same thing at home with him there too.

Well, you are free to think that, but I'm judging based on what we have seen 40% into the season. And even if they drop from having the 2nd best record that does not in any way change the context of what I was saying.

[Chinook]

My problem is that, seeing that the Dubs and Cavs are vulnerable and the rest of the league being mediocre, the Spurs made the wrong decisions to capitalize on it. Yes, they didn't know that, but signing Gasol and ignoring the backcourt issues feels more like the team was resigned to mediocrity as well and just wanted to keep butts in the AT&T Center (which is failing anyway).

They made a calculated decision that hasn't really been tested yet. The Dubs and Cavs are REALLY vulnerable to strong front courts, especially GS. The Spurs want to not only pound those teams inside but also to get offensive rebounds and put-backs. The only thing that really matters is how the Spurs play those teams ... there's nothing to be learned from the other games.

But for the love of god, the Spurs would sweep the Thunder in the playoffs. They might have to beat the Jazz in six. People always talk about how the Spurs will get exposed by game-planning, but they ignore that the Spurs will also game-plan for other teams to take away elements that make those teams look good right now. The Spurs can take Westbrook and Harden out of a series -- they have the personnel to do that. It's going to take a lot more than Pau being lazy for the lower half of the bracket to beat the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

They made a calculated decision that hasn't really been tested yet. The Dubs and Cavs are REALLY vulnerable to strong front courts, especially GS. The Spurs want to not only pound those teams inside but also to get offensive rebounds and put-backs. The only thing that really matters is how the Spurs play those teams ... there's nothing to be learned from the other games.

But for the love of god, the Spurs would sweep the Thunder in the playoffs. They might have to beat the Jazz in six. People always talk about how the Spurs will get exposed by game-planning, but they ignore that the Spurs will also game-plan for other teams to take away elements that make those teams look good right now. The Spurs can take Westbrook and Harden out of a series -- they have the personnel to do that. It's going to take a lot more than Pau being lazy for the lower half of the bracket to beat the Spurs.

Not only that, but people act like getting to second round is some travesty. I mean, I know standards are high and everyone wants a ring every year, but people are so cut and dry.

Like last year. If the Spurs have a few bounces go their way and make it to another WCF are people complaining. But since they lost a close series to a really good team they are "second round fodder". It's maddening.

Sure, if SA plays awful and things unravel sure, start pointing fingers. But even then they have wiggle room to adjust and change since they aren't tied down with anything too long-term that they don't want to be tied down to.

[Ice009]

Well, it's because I want to get to the third round this time. I've felt like we've been cheated the past two seasons. I want that Spurs Vs Warriors matchup this time around in the third round. I felt we should have gotten a crack at them the past two seasons, but it hasn't worked out that way.

[Robz4000]

They made a calculated decision that hasn't really been tested yet. The Dubs and Cavs are REALLY vulnerable to strong front courts, especially GS. The Spurs want to not only pound those teams inside but also to get offensive rebounds and put-backs. The only thing that really matters is how the Spurs play those teams ... there's nothing to be learned from the other games.

But for the love of god, the Spurs would sweep the Thunder in the playoffs. They might have to beat the Jazz in six. People always talk about how the Spurs will get exposed by game-planning, but they ignore that the Spurs will also game-plan for other teams to take away elements that make those teams look good right now. The Spurs can take Westbrook and Harden out of a series -- they have the personnel to do that. It's going to take a lot more than Pau being lazy for the lower half of the bracket to beat the Spurs.

As bad as OKC's frontline shat on the Spurs last year, it could be even worse this year. Spurs can limit Westbrook (and Harden to a lesser extent) but the officiating could be even worse than last year's series. Westbrook shooting 20 freebies a game will give him the chance to rest in-game and limit the time he has to be off the court. Not saying they'd beat the Spurs, but the possibility is definitely there. The Jazz, if healthy, definitely worry me; Spurs will have the two best players in the series, but then the Jazz might have the next 3-5 best players potentially; it could be a 2014 Spurs/OKC-type series.

[DPG21920]

Ibaka is gone ^

[DPG21920]

I do wish SA could have gotten Eric Gordon though :lol

[Chinook]

As bad as OKC's frontline shat on the Spurs last year, it could be even worse this year.

It's extremely unlikely that the Spurs would get outrebounded by a lot this season. Dedmon and Lee are such an improvement over Diaw and West.


Spurs can limit Westbrook (and Harden to a lesser extent) but the officiating could be even worse than last year's series. Westbrook shooting 20 freebies a game will give him the chance to rest in-game and limit the time he has to be off the court.

That's all well and good, but the Spurs are a lot better able to avoid that fate than most teams are. The rest would be a factor, but the fact that he has no second option would be a bigger one. They don't even have Ibaka this season.


The Jazz, if healthy, definitely worry me; Spurs will have the two best players in the series, but then the Jazz might have the next 3-5 best players potentially; it could be a 2014 Spurs/OKC-type series.

I don't love how Utah is coached right now, but even ignoring that, I think comparing the 2014 Spurs with the 2017 Jazz is way generous for Utah. That Spurs team have four HoF locks on it with another strong candidate on the rise, in addition to a cast who had just been battle-tested in the Finals. For most of the #JazzCore, it will be their first series.

[dabom]

I remember someone wanted dworst as our starting center. :lmao

[dabom]

After watching the playoffs. :lmao


Same poster was a fathead slurper. :lmao

[YGWHI]

Ibaka is gone ^

Hopefully our new guys won't lose the battle on the boards against OKC this time.

But I still can see Spurs having a hard time trying to cover Parker-Pau defense in P&Rs...We should thank God for the lack of elite guards who excel at exploiting those weaknesses in the Western Conference, right?

I'd love to know what alternative strategy Pop will implement to hide Pau defense in playoffs when he refuses to play Dedmon more minutes in the regular season to improve and gain experience.

[gambit1990]

How many problems can a team with the 2nd best record have?
:lol

You can have many. Faggot. :lmao
:lmao

[DPG21920]

Hopefully our new guys won't lose the battle on the boards against OKC this time.

But I still can see Spurs having a hard time trying to cover Parker-Pau defense in P&Rs...We should thank God for the lack of elite guards who excel at exploiting those weaknesses in the Western Conference, right?

I'd love to know what alternative strategy Pop will implement to hide Pau defense in playoffs when he refuses to play Dedmon more minutes in the regular season to improve and gain experience.

Well, with Ibaka gone and with how bad Tim was against OKC on both ends most of the time, just having a little extra offense from Pau should help. Then like Chinook mentioned, Lee/Dedmon >> West/Boris.

Then SA doesn't have KD to deal with obviously :lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

Tbh I'm not sure. I just don't like what I see with this team when they play other top teams in the league. People like to downplay the regular season but the past couple of seasons we had basically zero signature wins in the regular season and we all know how the playoffs turned out. If I see some convincing wins against the cavs/dubs/clips then I might have a change of opinion.

You also have to remember 2014's regular season:

0-4 against the Thunder
2-1 against the Clippers
0-4 against the Rockets
2-2 against the Blazers
1-1 against the Pacers
1-1 against the Heat
1-1 agains the Bulls

7-14 against the top teams that season. Nothing to write home about, but we all know how the playoffs turned out..

[YGWHI]

That Spurs team have four HoF locks on it with another strong candidate on the rise, in addition to a cast who had just been battle-tested in the Finals. For most of the #JazzCore, it will be their first series.

Like it means something...The Spurs had 3 last season and still 2 of them underperformed against OKC.

And it's likely that the same 2 old guards will repeat that poor play in the postseason again.

That's the issue when a team decided to sign/resign two olds guards to compete against elite, younger, stronger and faster guards.


The Spurs can take Westbrook and Harden out of a series -- they have the personnel to do that
WHO??
Harden will play 45 mpg Danny just 27, Kawhi 32.

And it's likely that Pop will continue sitting both at the same time for many minutes like OKC last playoffs... It wasn't pretty to watch Manu against Russ and it won't be better this year.

[DPG21920]

Dude ^

[YGWHI]

Well, with Ibaka gone and with how bad Tim was against OKC on both ends most of the time, just having a little extra offense from Pau should help. Then like Chinook mentioned, Lee/Dedmon >> West/Boris.

Then SA doesn't have KD to deal with obviously :lol

I'm optimistic and love the optimistic persons too. But at some point, a bit of realism doesn't hurt.

If it's not Westbrook, will be CP3, Harden, or any other elite guard who will beat Pau consistently and Pop won't have answers...Then people will say 'well, he didn't have the personnel to win that battle' like they said after OKC out-rebounded Spurs.

But the issue is he could have that personnel if he would make the right decisions before the trade deadline. We know he won't do it but we shouldn't act like he doesn't have options.


I do wish SA could have gotten Eric Gordon though :lol
Well, that happens when a team decides to give 14M to a 39 years old guard instead of looking to get younger and signing Gordon for 13M like Houston.

PATFO had options but I agree with Rob, they made the wrong decisions.

[Spurtacular]

How many problems can a team with the 2nd best record have?

:lmao

Yea, OP's a pretty big faggot.

[Chews]

We are the two seed and btfo of GSW on their own court on opening night. Just enjoy the season of us kicking ass and see what happens in the playoffs. RRT hasn't even happened yet and you want to bash tf out of certain players because they aren't performing 10/10 night in and night out? Am I the only one that is ok with how Gasol is playing? He's been nailing his mid-range shot and that's been huge for us when Kawhi isn't on and Parker can't get to the rim. I personally think we have been playing fine (not perfect) and know that every team has weaknesses, so I'm ok with a 27-7 record and only 2 GB from a team that's filled with 4 SUPERstars in it's main lineup. When playoffs roll around anything can happen. Stay positive and GSG!

[YGWHI]

Dude ^

Is there something wrong?

Do you think that Pop will play Kawhi 40 mpg in playoffs or he will overplay Danny? He won't.
Kawhi played 33 mpg last playoffs and 35 in 2015. Danny 26 and 29.

Do you think that the Spurs can rely on Parker and Manu at this stage of their careers to compete against the Curry, CP3, Harden, Westbrook of the WC?

[Chews]

Is there something wrong?

Do you think that Pop will play Kawhi 40 mpg in playoffs or he will overplay Danny? He won't.
Kawhi played 33 mpg last playoffs and 35 in 2015. Danny 26 and 29.

Do you think that the Spurs can rely on Parker and Manu at this stage of their careers to compete against the Curry, CP3, Harden, Westbrook of the WC?

I think we can hang, we beat GSW by quite a bit on opening night and while we struggled with Houston, I firmly believe we are the better team, I think we can hang. I think we can rely on the players mentioned to compete.

[YGWHI]

We were up 3-1 against OKC before Waiters was allowed to push Manu... they've lost KD, I think we can hang. We beat GSW by quite a bit on opening night, I think we can hang. We struggled with Houston but I firmly believe we are the better team, I think we can hang. So yes, I think we can rely on the players mentioned to compete.

I think you missed Manu's first game against Clippers/Rockets this season or Parker 1-8 against Clippers or 8 pts 1 ast in last game vs Rockets but it's fine because I wouldn't recommend to rewatch them.

[Chinook]

We were up 3-1 against OKC before Waiters was allowed to push Manu...

What?

[Chews]

I think you missed Manu's first game against Clippers/Rockets this season or Parker 1-8 against Clippers or 8 pts 1 ast in last game vs Rockets but it's fine because I wouldn't recommend to rewatch them.

Kawhi went 5-18 against Detroit, I personally don't think that makes him unreliable and I don't think Tony or Manu are unreliable because of those games neither. Players will have their good games and bad games, but I don't think choosing a game outside their average makes them more or less reliable than what they average.

I don't think Parker and Manu are our x-factors and maybe thats where we differ in opinion. I think this team will go as far as our frontcourt takes us and players like Parker and Manu have a smaller role where, that pretty much if they don't fuck things up, we will be ok. I don't think they will be so bad to ruin our season or a playoff series, just my opinion.

[Chews]

What?

Nvm, lmfao

[dabom]

Nvm, lmfao

Don't worry. You have to wrong another 100 times in one year to catch up to that guy. :lol

[K...]

Don't worry. You have to wrong another 100 times in one year to catch up to that guy. :lol

everybody, pay attention to dabom or he'll have to start another thread

[DPG21920]

everybody, pay attention to dabom or he'll have to start another thread

:lol A thread with no content, no explanation and that is about the "future" so its pointless to discuss now.

[Mnky]

You can't be the best team every single year. The spurs have been the best team over all sports the past couple decades. Sooner or later, spurfan should appreciate them, or go be gsw fan for the 5 years they'll be relevant.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi went 5-18 against Detroit, I personally don't think that makes him unreliable and I don't think Tony or Manu are unreliable because of those games neither. Players will have their good games and bad games, but I don't think choosing a game outside their average makes them more or less reliable than what they average.

If Kawhi has a bad game against Detroit I would say 'Damn he played like shit...Move on'

But Manu and Parker having bad games against direct playoffs rivals is concerning.
They aren't young like Kawhi, they aren't dominant on defense if shots aren't falling like him, hey...they aren't Kawhi/LMA.


Parker and Manu have a smaller role
Well, that's the problem, they don't have small roles on this team.

Parker is taking more shots than Kawhi or LMA in the last 4 games, Manu is playing 20 mpg...And Pop won't limit their roles in playoffs, he opted to have both old guards on the team and will ride or died with them again.

[SpursIndonesia]

I don't see much failure regarding PATFO free agency plan, they did the best with the available opportunities & cards afforded. If anything, it's the drafting side of the ball that i am somewhat disappointed, we waste 2013 1st# and the 2014 one doesn't look all that bright too nowadays.

[dabom]

I forgot the MODs block anything Porker related. :lol

Keep it up guys. :tu

[Brazil]

:lol like trading Parker would change anything. You trade Parker and if you are lucky you get marginally better if you can land a decent PG in return... that, sure, make Spurs favorite against GSW or Cleveland :lol

[Fireball]

the king of one-liners and crofl emojis with another dumb thread ...

[dabom]

the king of one-liners and crofl emojis with another dumb thread ...

I'm the King. That's brah. :tu

[DPG21920]

I'm the King. That's brah. :tu

Talking to imaginary people again.

[spursistan]

Dabom is getting destroyed in this thread by DPG :lol..Let's all hope his bully act in this place is just a shtick, not a real-life temperament issue..

I mean in the last month alone I have seen him headbutt, call names and :lmao posters out of threads (sagirl, Chinook,TD21, ROBz, mid, GSH, DPG, Man4tres, me..) for committing the unforgivable sin of disagreeing with his basketball takes/stance, in particular, on certain players (Kyle, Parker, Mills, Kawhi)..

Someone here in his good graces (Apo, Harlem, gambit) please tell him it is fine to have a difference of opinions; otherwise he can pack for one way trip to North Korea :lol....

[SAGirl]

Dabom is getting destroyed in this thread by DPG :lol..Let's all hope his bully act in this place is just a shtick, not a real-life temperament issue..

I mean in the last month alone I have seen him headbutt, call names and :lmao posters out of threads (sagirl, Chinook,TD21, ROBz, mid, GSH, DPG, Man4tres, me..) for committing the unforgivable sin of disagreeing with his basketball takes/stance, in particular, on certain players (Kyle, Parker, Mills, Kawhi)..

Someone here in his good graces (Apo, Harlem, gambit) please tell him it is fine to have a difference of opinions; otherwise he can pack for one way trip to North Korea :lol....
I have him on ignore and he still quotes me... it's a waste of time... I applaud DPG, and his choice to reply to him, but personally I just ignore him bc it's all slurs and emojis.

[Chinook]

I have him on ignore and he still quotes me... it's a waste of time... I applaud DPG, and his choice to reply to him, but personally I just ignore him bc it's all slurs and emojis.

I've said before, but I love when DPG doesn't quote Biscuit and just replies, because it's hilarious trying to figure out the other half of the conversation when all you can see if the appalled replies DPG gives.

[TD 21]

Disagree 100%. There were no realistic backcourt options that I saw them pass on for both Pau's money/years.

Somehow, this almost never get's factored in, nor does the fact that, once Ginobili decided to play another season, the four guard spots in the rotation were spoken for. Just because some wanted them to, they were never going to walk away from him or trade Parker.

I don't have any issue with what they did, it's just not going to be good enough; but there was nothing they could have realistically done that would have been.

[DPG21920]

Somehow, this almost never get's factored in, nor does the fact that, once Ginobili decided to play another season, the four guard spots in the rotation were spoken for. Just because some wanted them to, they were never going to walk away from him or trade Parker.

I don't have any issue with what they did, it's just not going to be good enough; but there was nothing they could have realistically done that would have been.

Agreed - I mean there may and I stress may have been a few different choices but nothing that is not pure speculation mostly.

The Spurs may not be good enough but they are worst case on the same level as all playoff teams except for 2-3 and best case clearly above all playoff teams except 2-3 with no long-term contract issues on board.

Pretty damn good overall, even if not perfect.

Many of us have mentioned that Manu deciding to re-sign + TP being under contract limited many things. It is what is both from a salary cap perspective, on the court perspective and loyalty perspective. That's what people have to factor in context wise when evaluating this.

[BillMc]

I think we can hang, we beat GSW by quite a bit on opening night and while we struggled with Houston, I firmly believe we are the better team, I think we can hang. I think we can rely on the players mentioned to compete.

Amen!

[coachmac87]

So this thread is pretty much a shot a TP right??

OP is a faggot with only internet friends

[Play Boban]

I'd say if Spurs had balls, they'd be able to fix their problems easily.
Agreed. Pop and RC were castrated by Marc Cuban after winning the 2014 title, unfortunately. :wakeup

[BillMc]

Agreed. Pop and RC were castrated by Marc Cuban after winning the 2014 title, unfortunately. :wakeup

Why Cuban? Because Dallas has been so amazing since 2014?..Cubes wasting Dirk's golden years (and team discount)....

[tonight...you]

Okay... Okay. What is going on here? This is some shit! About to go on 5 pages... Who is responsible for this?!

[John Petrucci]

As if record matters when it comes to the spurs. :lol this team won't make it past the 2ND round, it's pretty obvious to any non homer fan.

It's true. We won 67 games last year and were blowing out a ton of teams unlike this season. Historic point differential. Andre Roberson proceeded to assert his will and the rest is history.

[dabom]

Dabom is getting destroyed in this thread by DPG :lol..Let's all hope his bully act in this place is just a shtick, not a real-life temperament issue..

I mean in the last month alone I have seen him headbutt, call names and :lmao posters out of threads (sagirl, Chinook,TD21, ROBz, mid, GSH, DPG, Man4tres, me..) for committing the unforgivable sin of disagreeing with his basketball takes/stance, in particular, on certain players (Kyle, Parker, Mills, Kawhi)..

Someone here in his good graces (Apo, Harlem, gambit) please tell him it is fine to have a difference of opinions; otherwise he can pack for one way trip to North Korea :lol....

Wow, you only got bumped by sagirl and chinook. 2 of the worst posters on this site. Typical. :lol

No one cares about what you got to say unfortunately. :lol

And FYI, I'm pretty cool with everyone besides you, sagirl, and chinook. (dpg is whatever and still ignored your shitty post :lol). So yeah, no one of relevant was gonna bump your shitty bitchy post besides me. Cause it was directed at me of course. :lol

[DPG21920]

I care about what he says - more valuable than what you say tbh..

[dabom]

I care about what he says - more valuable than what you say tbh..

Nice use of periods. :lol

[spursistan]

Wow, you only got bumped by sagirl and chinook. 2 of the worst posters on this site. Typical. :lol

No one cares about what you got to say unfortunately. :lol

And FYI, I'm pretty cool with everyone besides you, sagirl, and chinook. (dpg is whatever and still ignored your shitty post :lol). So yeah, no one of relevant was gonna bump your shitty bitchy post besides me. Cause it was directed at me of course. :lol

Damn, touché! and DPG still somehow kept shitting on you his next post :lol

[dabom]

Damn, touché! and DPG still somehow kept shitting on you his next post :lol

Last time I even reply. I guess you don't know how periods are used in here. :lol

No one of importance gives a shit about you. :lol

Maybe this year you'll post some good stuff. Maybe... :lmao

[DPG21920]

Daboom isn't even funny. That is the truly sad part. For someone that doesn't know basketball you better be funny but you are neither. It's tragic tbh..