Russians claim to have dirt on Trump

[Thread]

Obama took a catchphrase from a rapist basketball player and literally dropped a microphone. What a deviant!

Barry was premature, and now he has the whole shit sandwich to consume.

I like people who keep score, aloud.

That POS McCain, who's wife Cindi is a Drug Store Cowboy couldn't be bothered to get up off his ass 8 years ago and wage war with Barry. But, he skulks right over to Intel to head Trump off at the pass. I spit on him.

[Thread]

He's gonna be busy signing for the first two weeks. Wear out those Bics, Trumpster.

tee, hee.

[spurraider21]

Barry was premature, and now he has the whole shit sandwich to consume.

I like people who keep score, aloud.

That POS McCain, who's wife Cindi is a Drug Store Cowboy couldn't be bothered to get up off his ass 8 years ago and wage war with Barry. But, he skulks right over to Intel to head Trump off at the pass. I spit on him.
And he's from Arizona.

Charge!

[Thread]

And he's from Arizona.

Charge!


He's no Repug. He was for illegal immigration before he ran in 2008, then was against it during his run,,,once Barry buried him he flipped back over.

He's pure shit.

I ever catch him on the streets I'm gonna read him the fuckin' riot act.

[RD2191]

:lmao trump meltdown
Faggot can't even handle a fake news report and people believe he can be the leader of the free world. :lmao

[spurraider21]

He's no Repug.
Dale, runnin as fast as he can

[IceColdBrewski]

I didn't watch the news conference, but he must've blasted it out of the park. Because lefties all over the internets are absolutely losing their shit over it. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

I didn't watch the news conference, but he must've blasted it out of the park. Because lefties all over the internets are absolutely losing their shit over it. :lol


:lmao CNN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPaA4V-2cVo

[mavsfan1000]

:lmao trump meltdown
Faggot can't even handle a fake news report and people believe he can be the leader of the free world. :lmao
I enjoyed that trashing he gave to whoever that rude CNN Journalist was. He is a straight shooter. Get used to it.

[Thread]

I enjoyed that trashing he gave to whoever that rude CNN Journalist was. He is a straight shooter. Get used to it.

That's the point!!!

[RD2191]

"Fake news is an outrage"
Picks breitbart bannon as chief strategists:lmao

[RD2191]

I enjoyed that trashing he gave to whoever that rude CNN Journalist was. He is a straight shooter. Get used to it.

He's a thin skinned idiot. Such a sensitive man child is now the most powerful puppet in the world.

[RD2191]

Germaphobe! :lmao

[RD2191]

Did the President Elect of the United States just end a press conference with a catch-phrase from his reality TV show?

You're fired!

[Trill Clinton]

:lmao trump meltdown
Faggot can't even handle a fake news report and people believe he can be the leader of the free world. :lmao don't forget he had no problem with fake news when he was pushing the lie that president obama wasn't born in the united states:lol

[baseline bum]

"Fake news is an outrage"
Picks breitbart bannon as chief strategists:lmao

:lol

[Reck]

Trump was fine with fake news as recently as 2 months ago with that pizzagate shit TSA lives for. :lol

Now that shit's off limits. lol

[baseline bum]

Trump thinking he only has to take questions from media friendly to him?

[CosmicCowboy]

"Fake news is an outrage"
Picks breitbart bannon as chief strategists:lmao

Russian Hookers and Golden Showers sets a new bar for fake news.

[CosmicCowboy]

Trump was fine with fake news as recently as 2 months ago with that pizzagate shit TSA lives for. :lol

Now that shit's off limits. lol

What media outlet published Pizzagate?

[clambake]

don't forget he had no problem with fake news when he was pushing the lie that president obama wasn't born in the united states:lol

yeah but he paid for that in front of everyone.

[monosylab1k]

Russian Hookers and Golden Showers sets a new bar for fake news.

:lmao like anything comes remotely fucking close to "Obama Is A Muslim That Was Born In Kenya"

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lmao like anything comes remotely fucking close to "Obama Is A Muslim That Was Born In Kenya"

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?

[monosylab1k]

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?

Yes, Pizza Boy, I'm aware that conservatives enjoy pushing that narrative.

[baseline bum]

LOL having a president who believes Obama was born in Kenya, vaccines cause autism, Scalia was murdered, global warming is a hoax invented by the chinese, and Ted Cruz's dad was behind killing JFK. We finally got a president fit for Galileo and Cosmored.

[boutons_deux]

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?

On Dec. 5, 2007, the online magazine Politico posted the text of an email (http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2007/12/clinton-staffer-on-anti-obama-email-chain-updated-004503) that had been forwarded by Judy Rose, the volunteer chair of the Clinton campaign in Jones County Iowa on Nov. 21, 2007. The email was a quintessential smear that offered a distorted biography of Obama’s early years. Rose offered no commentary on it. She simply passed it along.

"Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim," the email said, and it ended with, "The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States , one of their own!!!!"

Rose, sent this to eight of her fellow Democrats.

One of them was Clinton campaign staffer Ryan Callanan who replied to the email on the same day in November.

"I’ve gotten this forward before," Callanan wrote. "It’s racist and ignorant. I can’t believe that people believe this stuff."

The public airing of the email brought a quick reaction from the Clinton campaign.

On Dec. 6, 2007, the Associated Press reported that Rose had resigned (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2007/dec/06/clinton-volunteer-coordinator-resigns-over-e-mail-/?f=news-politics-elections) as chair of her county committee.

"There is no place in our campaign, or any campaign, for this kind of politics," Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle said.

"A volunteer county coordinator made the mistake of forwarding an outrageous and offensive chain e-mail. This was wholly unauthorized and we were totally unaware of it."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/25/obama-muslim-myth-clinton-connection/

Rose didn't write the letter. It was obviously written by You People. So, G F Y

But TSA LIES that "Clinton's people started it" absolves Repugs, Trash, right-wing hate media, KKK who ran with it for years, along with the Kenyan birther shit.

btw, I'll never heard a one of you Christian Taliban HATERS give a speech anywhere close to "Muslim" Obama's last night.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yes, Pizza Boy, I'm aware that conservatives enjoy pushing that narrative.

Politico carrying that conservative conspiracy theory water

Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen, picking up on some of Martin’s innuendo and extending it further.
“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” read one of those emails posted, at the time, by Snopes.com, a site that attempts to debunk internet rumors


On Friday, Clinton’s former senior aide Patti Solis Doyle acknowledged that a volunteer coordinator in Iowa forwarded a birther-related email. “Hillary made the decision immediately let that person go,” she said. “We let that person go. It was so beyond the pale of the campaign Hillary wanted to run and that we as a staff wanted to run that I called David Plouffe who was managing Barack Obama to apologize to say this is not coming from us, that this was rogue volunteer.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304

[Reck]

Get him boots. :lol

:lol Human Toilet TSA getting his shit pushed in...again. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Get him boots. :lol

:lol Human Toilet TSA getting his shit pushed in...again. :lol

:lol cheering on boutons for posting an article that says Hillary supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be US citizen :lol
:lol shitting on yourself

[Chucho]

He's a thin skinned idiot.

And that makes the petulant little children throwing endless tantrums and shouting names at every turn?

Say what you will, but he has more in common with his opposition than you want to admit.

[Mitch]

Get him boots. :lol

:lol Human Toilet TSA getting his shit pushed in...again. :lol

:lol your ass probably would have fallen for the fake piss story as well, Reck. Lucky you weren't around to bite.

[TheSanityAnnex]

As PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/) and Fact-check.org (http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/) both explain, there is absolutely no evidence that Clinton or her campaign were the source of the idea, though it did spread among some of her supporters during the 2008 primary contest between Clinton and Obama—which would only make sense, in terms of the timing of someone questioning whether someone were qualified for the presidency.

http://time.com/4496792/birther-rumor-started/

Get him boots. :lol

[Reck]

:lol cheering on boutons for posting an article that says Hillary supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be US citizen :lol
:lol shitting on yourself

Actually, giving boutons props for shitting all over you. That's an occasion here.rolf

[Spurminator]

I get the feeling some of you would accept a President going on national TV and doing fart noises for two hours as long as you could go online and say "lol liberal tears."

[TheSanityAnnex]

Actually, giving boutons props for shitting all over you. That's an occasion here.rolf

:lol still doesn't realize boutons article supports my claim
:lol still shitting on yourself

[da_suns_fan]

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?

Does it matter?

[Reck]

:lol still doesn't realize boutons article supports my claim
:lol still shitting on yourself

No it doesn't, idiot.

"it spread among some Hillary supporters." Meaning it didn't take as a story of its own because of the few supporters.

Conservatives made it one because it suited their purposes.

Imagine you are part of 50 people who doesn't like a product and you go online to trash it. That doesn't become a story. It becomes one once an entire movement starts pedaling it.

[monosylab1k]

Politico carrying that conservative conspiracy theory water

Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen, picking up on some of Martin’s innuendo and extending it further.
“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” read one of those emails posted, at the time, by Snopes.com, a site that attempts to debunk internet rumors


On Friday, Clinton’s former senior aide Patti Solis Doyle acknowledged that a volunteer coordinator in Iowa forwarded a birther-related email. “Hillary made the decision immediately let that person go,” she said. “We let that person go. It was so beyond the pale of the campaign Hillary wanted to run and that we as a staff wanted to run that I called David Plouffe who was managing Barack Obama to apologize to say this is not coming from us, that this was rogue volunteer.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304

Yes, Pizza Boy, I'm aware of all of that. I'm also aware of the fact that conservatives soaked themselves up in that conspiracy like they were a Trump hotel bed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Does it matter?

You didn't care about facts last night what's changed?

[TheSanityAnnex]

back on topic

Anyone heard if that entire 35 page dossier was bullshit or just the 4chan bit?

[TheSanityAnnex]

No it doesn't, idiot.

"it spread among some Hillary supporters." Meaning it didn't take as a story of its own because of the few supporters.

Conservatives made it one because it suited their purposes.

Imagine you are part of 50 people who doesn't like a product and you go online to trash it. That doesn't become a story. It becomes one once an entire movement starts pedaling it.

now you are supporting my claim


You are aware that [bstarted[/b] with Hillary supporters correct?

[boutons_deux]

one the best takes on #PissWatcher

A Few Thoughts On the Big Story

By JOSH MARSHALL (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/profile/josh-m) PublishedJANUARY 10, 2017, 8:59 PM EDT

I wanted to take a moment to share some thoughts on today's Trump/Russia revelations, or rather some guideposts for how to approach a true mess of information which is undigested, wildly inflammatory and in many cases seemingly fantastical. Let me start by saying that this is the rawest kind of 'intel', if that is even the right word for it. I would caution everyone to maintain a sensible skepticism even if you rightly believe that Trump is a danger to the republic. So with that, a few thoughts.

1: I've seen various comments that this is a document prepared by someone who claims to be a former British intelligence officer. That's not right. If nothing else the CIA knows who served in the intelligence organization of a close ally. There's no reason to doubt that this former MI6 officer is just that and that he's someone who the US Intelligence Community has judged reliable in the past. That alone tells us pretty little. But I see no reason to doubt this specific piece of information.

2: The published reports say that the US Intelligence Community finds the former British intelligence officer credible and that they've spoken to or investigated some of his sources and also found them credible. I think what we should draw from that is that US intelligence personnel have looked at this and found that the sourcing wasn't obviously ridiculous, no red flags that would make them dismiss it out of hand. In other words, this is a very low threshold of credibility. This is nothing like the judgment multiple intelligence agencies have made about Russia being behind the hacking campaign. Just as clearly, no one in the US intelligence world has vouched for any of this being true.

3. What seems to be the case though - and this I take from a number of sources - is that various details in this document are being taken very seriously by the people who are paid to protect the country from foreign subversion, blackmail, cooptation, etc. That's worth knowing because there are certain claims in this document that strike me as highly exuberant and highly implausible. The overall tone of the document reads to me like a raw report in which solid information and highly questionable information is all piled in together. I say that not as anyone who has familiarity with intelligence work, simply as a journalist who has many times been shown opposition research, which is actually what this is.

4. The most salacious details in the document probably can't ever be confirmed or refuted. Mainly that doesn't matter though since they're really not relevant.

( would be confirmed with audio, video recordings from Pootin's people )

But the document is full of details that should be fairly straightforward to check. Hotel stays in specific hotels on specific or near specific dates by public figures. Those are bits of information that should be ascertainable - if not by journalists than certainly by law enforcement and certainly by the people who control the vast information vacuum created by American spy agencies. That seems like the most concrete thing to do.

5. Similarly, there are specific claims about internal conflicts within the Russian government - people who wanted more aggressive or less aggressive attacks on the US election process. Those are the kinds of details a US spy agency might well know. If what is claimed in the document matches what US spies know from human or signals intelligence that might be why American intelligence agencies are taking this report seriously.

6. Some people are saying that we shouldn't be looking at these news reports through the prism of the credibility of the document but rather the intelligence community's retaliation or warning to Trump. I don't think we can rule that out. But as much as we may dislike Trump,

intelligence agencies using the information they gather against an elected President is a very bad thing.

We shouldn't lose sight of that. Of course, we should also not expect our spy apparatus to cover for presidential wrongdoing or leave the country vulnerable to foreign subversion. Regardless this is extreme high-wire behavior for the whole country, whatever the underlying facts. It's bad from every different direction that we're here.

7. A lot of the information in this document matches up pretty well with circumstantial evidence about Trump's business dealings with Russian oligarchs and organized crime, and the leverage they have over him.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-few-thoughts-on-the-big-story?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

The ONLY intervention by Trash's team in the Repug party platform was to tone down, remove anti-Russian stuff.

J E Hoover had his FBI agents dig dirt on 1000s of people, and used it to stay head of the FBI for 40 years, while living with a boyfriend.

If one of Pootin's people leaked the recordings not approved by Pootin, it would be suicide-by-Pootin, anywhere in the world.

[spurraider21]

:lmao like anything comes remotely fucking close to "Obama Is A Muslim That Was Born In Kenya"


You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?


As PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/) and Fact-check.org (http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/) both explain, there is absolutely no evidence that Clinton or her campaign were the source of the idea, though it did spread among some of her supporters during the 2008 primary contest between Clinton and Obama—which would only make sense, in terms of the timing of someone questioning whether someone were qualified for the presidency.

http://time.com/4496792/birther-rumor-started/

Get him boots. :lol
:lol

[Splits]

back on topic

Anyone heard if that entire 35 page dossier was bullshit or just the 4chan bit?

I haven't heard/seen any of it as bullshit. McCain admitted he gave what sounds like the same dossier to the FBI:

“Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,” McCain said in a statement on Wednesday. “Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgement about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI. That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.”

[Splits]

You obviously didn't read the first Buzzfeed story before it was revised.

Where is the revised story?

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lolgo sit with Reck in the corner


You are aware that started with Hillary supporters



though it did spread among some of her supporters during the 2008 primary contest



Later, in the spring 2008, as Clinton’s chances of winning the Democratic primary grew thin, some of her hardcore supporters circulated rumors that Obama may not be a U.S. citizen

[TheSanityAnnex]

I haven't heard/seen any of it as bullshit. McCain admitted he gave what sounds like the same dossier to the FBI:

“Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,” McCain said in a statement on Wednesday. “Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgement about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI. That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.”



McCain needs to share who gave him the dossier. I'd love to see Rick Wilson hung up to dry.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Where is the revised story?
Just find the story on buzzfeed and you'll see revision notes up top. It's probably had more revisions/redactions since changed last night.

[spurraider21]

go sit with Reck in the corner
Started =/= spread

You made the claim they started it and your own link said there's no evidence to support that

[TheSanityAnnex]

You highlighted that neither Clinton nor her campaign were the source of the idea, I never claimed they were.

[spurraider21]

You are aware that started with Hillary supporters correct?
Started

[Splits]

Just find the story on buzzfeed and you'll see revision notes up top. It's probably had more revisions/redactions since changed last night.

You're either lying or misinformed. I read that article 10 minutes after it was posted, it is where I got the screenshot of the golden shower page I posted on page 1. The only updates are the responses by Trump and Conway. They didn't "walk back" shit. All those caveats were in the original.

[Spurminator]

This dossier seems like the kind of thing Wikileaks would have published back when they weren't openly partisan. Given how many news desks it apparently went to in the past few months, I would be very surprised if Wikileaks didn't have it prior to Buzzfeed publishing it.

Too bad... They had potential.

[SnakeBoy]

This dossier seems like the kind of thing Wikileaks would have published back when they weren't openly partisan. Given how many news desks it apparently went to in the past few months, I would be very surprised if Wikileaks didn't have it prior to Buzzfeed publishing it.

Too bad... They had potential.

Doesn't Wikileaks have a 100% accuracy track record. Why would you expect them to publish a fake document?

[Spurminator]

Doesn't Wikileaks have a 100% accuracy track record. Why would you expect them to publish a fake document?


It's not a fake document. It is an actual document that has circulated within the IC and in Congress.

The controversy is over what is in the dossier, no one's claiming the dossier itself is fake.

[spurraider21]

Doesn't Wikileaks have a 100% accuracy track record. Why would you expect them to publish a fake document?
Yeah but that's based on them not doctoring documents or inventing documents. If they published emails, it doesn't matter if the contents of the emails are accurate, just as long as their publication is an accurate representation of the original email

[CosmicCowboy]

It's not a fake document. It is an actual document that has circulated within the IC and in Congress.

The controversy is over what is in the dossier, no one's claiming the dossier itself is fake.

An actual document containing fake information.,

got it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

This dossier seems like the kind of thing Wikileaks would have published back when they weren't openly partisan. Given how many news desks it apparently went to in the past few months, I would be very surprised if Wikileaks didn't have it prior to Buzzfeed publishing it.

Too bad... They had potential.Why would Wikileaks publish a document with content that hasn't been verified?

[CosmicCowboy]

On a humorous side note, my wife had to google "golden shower"...:lol

[Reck]

An actual document containing fake information.,

got it.

Did you read it? How would you know it's vadility.

The CIA felt like they needed to have that in their intelligence briefing. It wasn't for nothing. If anything..it was a warning for Trump.

[TheSanityAnnex]

You're either lying or misinformed. I read that article 10 minutes after it was posted, it is where I got the screenshot of the golden shower page I posted on page 1. The only updates are the responses by Trump and Conway. They didn't "walk back" shit. All those caveats were in the original.

Here is the part I'm talking about. I don't remember reading this when it was originally posted

"It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors. The report misspells the name of one company, “Alpha Group,” throughout. It is Alfa Group. The report says the settlement of Barvikha, outside Moscow, is “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates.” It is not reserved for anyone, and it is also populated by the very wealthy."

And here is the twitter timeline with them posting link to the same article ten minutes apart

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeed?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7C twgr%5Eauthor

3:29

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C12JCz-UsAAvp_I.jpg


3:39
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C12Mzn8VIAAawKn.jpg

[TheSanityAnnex]

Did you read it? How would you know it's vadility.

The CIA felt like they needed to have that in their intelligence briefing. It wasn't for nothing. If anything..it was a warning for Trump.

No one presented the 35 page dossier to Trump.

[Clipper Nation]

This dossier seems like the kind of thing Wikileaks would have published back when they weren't openly partisan.
:lol Convenient how they "weren't openly partisan" back when they were leaking the Bush administration's shit and Palin's emails. But the minute they expose a Democrat's corruption, then it's FAEK NOOZ!!!!

[rasuo214]

No, that's bad intelligence work.

I think it's good for the American people to know if their intelligence community is that much of a clusterfuck, if that's what happened.

The intel community was using it as an example of unverified BS and didn't even bother to present it to Trump. Now it's their fault that CNN reported it as if they had a massive scoop? :lol

[pgardn]

Never said anything about the CIA being approached.
4chan>>>RickWilson>>>EvanMcMullin>>>JohnMcCain>>>CIA


I quoted a journalist who was approached by Rick Wilson with the story, never said Rick Wilson went to the CIA with the story.


Bull Shit.

This basically shows the progression.

This got passed to the CIA and they bit.
Thats what you are saying. So you, in effect, you have done more checking than the CIA who brought this to Obama and Trump.

How are you so good and the CIA so stupid?

[pgardn]

I enjoyed that trashing he gave to whoever that rude CNN Journalist was. He is a straight shooter. Get used to it.

Straight shooter...

Wow...

[pgardn]

LOL having a president who believes Obama was born in Kenya, vaccines cause autism, Scalia was murdered, global warming is a hoax invented by the chinese, and Ted Cruz's dad was behind killing JFK. We finally got a president fit for Galileo (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9641) and Cosmored (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18886).

This is straight shooting.

What happens when he is off target...

[Spurminator]

Why would Wikileaks publish a document with content that hasn't been verified?

Why wouldn't they? Are you suggesting if this dossier was an attachment in one of the Podesta emails, they would have withheld that email from their leak? They've never been about validating the content, only the sources.

[Spurminator]

An actual document containing fake information.,

got it.

*unsubstantiated

[Spurminator]

:lol Convenient how they "weren't openly partisan" back when they were leaking the Bush administration's shit and Palin's emails. But the minute they expose a Democrat's corruption, then it's FAEK NOOZ!!!!

This is the most predictable response in this thread. I should have made a side bet.

If you were worth the time, I might take a few minutes to remind you who was in office in 2010 when Wikileaks released a ton of classified State department documents and explain the difference between releasing those documents vs what they do now, but you're not worth the time so I'm just going to embed this tweet from the official Wikileaks Twitter handle and let you decide if you think this sounds like the Wikileaks of 2010.

794450623404113920

[Spurminator]

The intel community was using it as an example of unverified BS and didn't even bother to present it to Trump. Now it's their fault that CNN reported it as if they had a massive scoop? :lol

Where are you hearing that's how the IC was using it? I'm not sure how anyone whose been paying attention the last 6 months could come to the conclusion that there is anything but a serious clusterfuck happening in the IC... they have a really bad "anonymous source" problem lately.

Anyway, CNN didn't publish the dossier, BuzzFeed did. Both said the claims in the document were unverified.

[Clipper Nation]

This is the most predictable response in this thread. I should have made a side bet.

If you were worth the time, I might take a few minutes to remind you who was in office in 2010 when Wikileaks released a ton of classified State department documents and explain the difference between releasing those documents vs what they do now, but you're not worth the time so I'm just going to embed this tweet from the official Wikileaks Twitter handle and let you decide if you think this sounds like the Wikileaks of 2010.

794450623404113920
Bush was still the sitting president when WikiLeaks released the Republican vice-presidential nominee's private emails. Time to find a new excuse, since this one isn't working.

[Spurminator]

Bush was still the sitting president when WikiLeaks released the Republican vice-presidential nominee's private emails. Time to find a new excuse, since this one isn't working.

So you're just going to ignore the 2010 leaks because they also leaked stuff about Bush/Cheney before that, and you're going to call me the partisan one. Okie dokie.

[Clipper Nation]

So you're just going to ignore the 2010 leaks because they also leaked stuff about Bush/Cheney before that, and you're going to call me the partisan one. Okie dokie.
No, I'm just calling your lame excuse what it is.

WikiLeaks has leaked dirt on Republicans under Republican administrations. They've leaked dirt on Democrats under Republican administrations. They've leaked dirt on Republicans under Democrat administrations. They've leaked dirt on Democrats under Democrat administrations. You can't get more non-partisan than that. You're just mad that they don't protect Democrats like our media does.

[rasuo214]

Where are you hearing that's how the IC was using it? I'm not sure how anyone whose been paying attention the last 6 months could come to the conclusion that there is anything but a serious clusterfuck happening in the IC... they have a really bad "anonymous source" problem lately.

Anyway, CNN didn't publish the dossier, BuzzFeed did. Both said the claims in the document were unverified.

NBC/MSNBC. I posted the video earlier this morning. I agree about the IC.


And yes the document has been stated to be unverified numerous times and yet some people still took it as fact. At least the "fake news" crap pretends that they're telling something legitimate, even though they aren't, so I get gullible people believing it.

[DarrinS]

:lol -- this thread

[Spurminator]

No, I'm just calling your lame excuse what it is.

WikiLeaks has leaked dirt on Republicans under Republican administrations. They've leaked dirt on Democrats under Republican administrations. They've leaked dirt on Republicans under Democrat administrations. They've leaked dirt on Democrats under Democrat administrations. You can't get more non-partisan than that. You're just mad that they don't protect Democrats like our media does.

I know they've done all of this in the past. That's why I said they would have leaked this kind of document in the past.

If I was going to be butthurt about them leaking Democrat info, it would have been well before this year.

Try to follow along.

[Clipper Nation]

I know they've done all of this in the past. That's why I said they would have leaked this kind of document in the past.

If I was going to be butthurt about them leaking Democrat info, it would have been well before this year.

Try to follow along.
I have been following along. You whined that WikiLeaks is "openly partisan" because you're still mad that they didn't collude to prop up your corrupt hag of a candidate like the rest of the media did. You implied that they've somehow changed for the worse because they didn't publish false smears against Trump alongside the very real corruption of Hillary and her inner circle. Now you're backpedaling because you're full of shit and can't defend your emotional, butthurt claims.

[Spurminator]

This sounds like an organization whose #1 priority is still transparency.

817322050297745408

[Spurminator]

I have been following along. You whined that WikiLeaks is "openly partisan" because you're still mad that they didn't collude to prop up your corrupt hag of a candidate like the rest of the media did. You implied that they've somehow changed for the worse because they didn't publish false smears against Trump alongside the very real corruption of Hillary and her inner circle. Now you're backpedaling because you're full of shit and can't defend your emotional, butthurt claims.

I claimed none of those things, and I'm not backpedalling from anything. I was fine with the DNC/Podesta leaks.

[Reck]

They did change for the worst. The fact Clipper Nation cant see---or won't admit it says everything you need to know about him. Not interested in facts.

Wikileaks did stand for something years ago. Now they're just acting like a bunch of babies because big bad wolf Hillary was once after me so I'm going on a revenge kick.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why wouldn't they? Are you suggesting if this dossier was an attachment in one of the Podesta emails, they would have withheld that email from their leak? They've never been about validating the content, only the sources.They would have passed on it just like every other credible journalist that was approached with it did.

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35 page PDF published by Buzzfeed on Trump is not an intelligence report. Style, facts & dates show no credibility. (https://t.co/twa8pJMMtP)https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html …

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WikiLeaks– http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhBQAGAIAAAP///////yH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAAFAAYAAAIFjI+pawUAOw==Verified account ‏@wikileaks (https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks)

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WikiLeaks has a 100% record of accurate authentication. We do not endorse Buzzfeed's publication of a document which is clearly bogus.

[SnakeBoy]

It's not a fake document. It is an actual document that has circulated within the IC and in Congress.

The controversy is over what is in the dossier, no one's claiming the dossier itself is fake.

smh

[Spurminator]

They would have passed on it just like every other credible journalist that was approached with it did.

So an email with a recipe for risotto is relevant, but an intelligence document that was passed by John McCain to the head of the FBI and seen by some of the most powerful people in government wouldn't be up to Wikileaks journalistic standards or meet their "we open governments" criteria?

You're basically making my case for me. In 2013, Wikileaks publishes that document, without question. They would comment on the information being unverifiable, but the document itself would be published. I don't know what happened.

[ElNono]

I enjoyed that trashing he gave to whoever that rude CNN Journalist was. He is a straight shooter. Get used to it.

He's a public servant now. He has to be the president for everybody, including CNN and it's reporters (whether he likes them or not at a personal level is largely irrelevant).

It doesn't take a lot of class to simply state "I won't comment on unverified information".

It might be 'entertaining' for a reality show, but the tirades are well below the office he will now command.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So an email with a recipe for risotto is relevant, but an intelligence document that was passed by John McCain to the head of the FBI and seen by some of the most powerful people in government wouldn't be up to Wikileaks journalistic standards or meet their "we open governments" criteria?

You're basically making my case for me. In 2013, Wikileaks publishes that document, without question. They would comment on the information being unverifiable, but the document itself would be published.John Podesta's emails were verified to be from John Podesta's account. What source has been verified that provided the dossier?

[Spurminator]

John Podesta's emails were verified to be from John Podesta's account. What source has been verified that provided the dossier?

John McCain:
"Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI. That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/313716-mccain-gave-dossier-containing-sensitive-information-to-fbi

[Winehole23]

Glenn Greenwald nails it:


cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?


All of these toxic ingredients were on full display yesterday as the Deep State unleashed its tawdriest and most aggressive assault yet on Trump: vesting credibility in and then causing the public disclosure of a completely unvetted and unverified document, compiled by a paid, anonymous operative while he was working for both GOP and Democratic opponents of Trump, accusing Trump of a wide range of crimes, corrupt acts and salacious private conduct. The reaction to all of this illustrates that while the Trump presidency poses grave dangers, so, too, do those who are increasingly unhinged in their flailing, slapdash, and destructive attempts to undermine it.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

[Winehole23]

Shock doctrine:


Since November 8 we’ve had four crises of legitimacy of escalating intensity, each one pointing to a change in the Constitutional order. First, we had Stein’s recount effort, justified in part by a(n unproven) theory that “Russian hacking” had affected the vote tallies. (Recall that 50% of Clinton voters believe this, although no evidence has ever been produced for it, it’s technically infeasible at scale, and statistically improbable.) Since the “Russian hacking” theory was derived from intelligence not shown to the public, the change to the Constitutional order would be that the Intelligence Community (IC) would gain a veto over the legitimacy of a President during a transfer of power; veto power that would be completely unaccountable, since IC sources and methods would not be disclosed. Second, we had the (hilariously backfired) campaign to have “faithless electors” appoint somebody other than Trump to be President. Here again, the change in the Constitutional order was exactly the same, as (Clintonite) electors clamored to be briefed by the IC on material that would not be shown to the public, giving the IC veto power over the appointment of a President after the vote tallies had been certified. Third, we had the IC’s JAR report, which in essence accused the President-elect of treason (a capital offense (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States)). Here again the publicly available evidence of that quite sloppy report has been shredded, so in essence we have an argument from IC authority that secret evidence they control disqualifies the President elect, so the change in the Constitutional order is the same. Fourth, we have the “Golden Showers” report, which again is an argument from IC authority, and so again gives the IC veto power over a President appointed by the Electoral College. Needless to say, once we give the IC veto power over a President before the vote is tallied, and before the electoral college votes, and after the electoral college votes but before the oath of office and the Inaugural, we’re never going to be able to take it back. This is a crossing the Rubicon moment. Now, you can say this is unique, not normal, an exceptional case, but “sovereign is he who decides on the exception” (Nazi legal theorist Carl Schmidt). And who then is the sovereign? The IC. Is that what liberals want?http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/01/200pm-water-cooler-1112016-3.html

[boutons_deux]

"it’s technically infeasible at scale, and statistically improbable"

nope, Repugs did it in OH '04 to give OH to dubya after Kerry had been way ahead all evening. The tally reporting stopped completely for 2 or 3 hours. When it started, dubya won OH.

[boutons_deux]

"The IC. Is that what liberals want?"

No, but that's what we always have.

There's no countervailing power to the IC, no check/balance, and damn little oversight by Congress. The IC is a unaccountable power.

[pgardn]

Glenn Greenwald nails it:

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

Now this is more to the point.

The CIA made a decision to inform the sitting president and the president elect about this.
This is what is legit, not all the peeing. There needs to eventually be an explanation on why. How did they decide this was worthwhile? This is what I wrote about early on. We realize the CIA can't tell us everything, but this as it stands now is bizzare.

[pgardn]

One well placed British agent.

He appears to have gotten some stuff wrong and some right in regards to other claims that came along with Donald's alleged problems with self control.

Thats enough to inform Donald and Obama. Strange.

This has to eventually be explained.
Why did the CIA take this up with two very important people?

[Reck]

TSA-like posters are more incline to believe that 4chan made this up and that the CIA decided to trust some random guy with this information from that site, rather than trusting the agency and it's vetting process.

They decided to include this piece of information in the intelligence briefing for a reason and I'm willing to bet it goes beyond just the 4chan factor. The minute we start questioniong whether the CIA cant vet a place like 4chan properly is the minute we should all start to worry about our safety.

4Chan is like the lowest denominator of the internet. A joke site known for trolling.

[Spurminator]

This has to eventually be explained.
Why did the CIA take this up with two very important people?

Could have been to make the allegations "newsworthy" enough to be reported, if you believe this is the IC getting revenge.

[Spurminator]

DNI Statement:
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/224-press-releases-2017/1469-dni-clapper-statement-on-conversation-with-president-elect-trump


DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
WASHINGTON, DC 20511

January 11, 2017

DNI Clapper Statement on Conversation with President-elect Trump
This evening, I had the opportunity to speak with President-elect Donald Trump to discuss recent media reports about our briefing last Friday. I expressed my profound dismay at the leaks that have been appearing in the press, and we both agreed that they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security.

We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it. I emphasized that this document is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC. The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.

President-elect Trump again affirmed his appreciation for all the men and women serving in the Intelligence Community, and I assured him that the IC stands ready to serve his Administration and the American people.

James R. Clapper, Director of National Intelligence

[CosmicCowboy]

Crow now being served.

[pgardn]

Could have been to make the allegations "newsworthy" enough to be reported, if you believe this is the IC getting revenge.

The thing that is worrisome to me is we could possibly have an incredibly weak president on our hands. It may become very easy to discredit him via a number of different power structures including the IC. This is how other entities within the government can greatly weaken any president but this one may be extraordinarily ripe. It's the same thing the other way when Obama is continually denied by Congress. He can attempt to use this intransigence to make the presidency too powerful. I don't see why both parties don't get alarmed by this. Maybe they just see an immediate cause, not how it changes power long term.

[pgardn]

TSA-like posters are more incline to believe that 4chan made this up and that the CIA decided to trust some random guy with this information from that site, rather than trusting the agency and it's vetting process.

They decided to include this piece of information in the intelligence briefing for a reason and I'm willing to bet it goes beyond just the 4chan factor. The minute we start questioniong whether the CIA cant vet a place like 4chan properly is the minute we should all start to worry about our safety.

4Chan is like the lowest denominator of the internet. A joke site known for trolling.

Which is is why I called out Insanity Index's ridiculous flow chart. It's more important than his silly ramblings but he can't see it.

[pgardn]

DNI Statement:
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/224-press-releases-2017/1469-dni-clapper-statement-on-conversation-with-president-elect-trump

They CIA can always fall back on this.

The decision to inform Trump and Obama of this as opposed to hundreds other " we have learned " . If the CIA says they took this apparently singly British origin stuff and stamped it important why?

Did this agent give a whole lot of other stuff that turned out to be valid in the same report or what? They really can go further without compromising security I would think. The CIA needs to start following Insanity Index and giving his reports to all important government employees.

[Th'Pusher]

Crow now being served.
Not sure who's eating crow iyo but what Clapper appears to be doing is separating their official report with the buzzfeed report as Trump's strategy appears to be to conflate the two in an effortb to muddy the waters.

[Spurminator]

Clapper statement confirms CNN's report.

So, what was all that about fake news again?

[spurraider21]

cnn reported than an unsubstantiated dossier was presented to the president in his briefing

buzzfeed published the unsubstantiated dossier

none of the intelligence agencies, to my knowledge, ever came to the conclusion that it was credible

fake news! liberals eating crow!


granted... it was pretty irresponsible to publish that shit with no corroboration otherwise it's just a smear job tbh

[Th'Pusher]

Clapper statement confirms CNN's report.

So, what was all that about fake news again?

Also true.

CC needs to explain who he thinks is eating crow. Sure Clapper delineated his agency from the report, but also confirmed he thought it was more credible than pizzagate, credible enough to brief the POTUS an PEOTUS on it.

[Spurminator]

Surely Trump is going to angry-tweet about Clapper being a liar since he's confirming a fake news outlet's fake news story.

[pgardn]

818990655418617856

Ask Donald.

Why not just say " I realize the gravity of these uncorroborated claims. They of course are completely untrue, and I am still discussing with my advisors, president Obama, and the IC how this information even made it up the ladder. It is also of concern that the subject of our meeting got out as it is an unnecessary distraction at a very important time."

Is the above really that hard? Or is it a dumb down for the trumpets...

[boutons_deux]

Mr Leader of Birterism is pissed somebody put out some shit on HIM? :lol Did someone disrespect the bastard? :lol

[da_suns_fan]

This will all be overshadowed by the stupid shit Trump does next week.

[rasuo214]

cnn reported than an unsubstantiated dossier was presented to the president in his briefing

buzzfeed published the unsubstantiated dossier

none of the intelligence agencies, to my knowledge, ever came to the conclusion that it was credible

fake news! liberals eating crow!


granted... it was pretty irresponsible to publish that shit with no corroboration otherwise it's just a smear job tbh


Clapper didn't state that they presented it to Trump during the briefing and that isn't all CNN reported. I agree they should do a better job verifying what they report, unfortunately it's becoming more of a norm to report first, retract later (WaPo).

[z0sa]

Thanks, Obama.

No, really.

[SnakeBoy]

They did change for the worst. The fact Clipper Nation cant see---or won't admit it says everything you need to know about him. Not interested in facts.

Wikileaks did stand for something years ago. Now they're just acting like a bunch of babies because big bad wolf Hillary was once after me so I'm going on a revenge kick.

What did wikileaks stand for years ago?

[Wild Cobra]

Clapper didn't state that they presented it to Trump during the briefing and that isn't all CNN reported. I agree they should do a better job verifying what they report, unfortunately it's becoming more of a norm to report first, retract later (WaPo).
We can't take away from the first amendment, but what we can do is have a law passed that for every story reported wrong, and equal amount of time, money, and the same viewing window be used to retract the story.

If a station spent 2 hrs in a week reporting a story that ends up being false, and the next week has to spend two hours retracting it... How many times might CNN et. al. report false stories, until they fact check better?

[pgardn]

We can't take away from the first amendment, but what we can do is have a law passed that for every story reported wrong, and equal amount of time, money, and the same viewing window be used to retract the story.

If a station spent 2 hrs in a week reporting a story that ends up being false, and the next week has to spend two hours retracting it... How many times might CNN et. al. report false stories, until they fact check better?

Big Government... Again.

Let the market for truth take care of this.

[boutons_deux]

Big Government... Again.

Let the market for truth take care of this.

there is no such market

[z0sa]

We can't take away from the first amendment, but what we can do is have a law passed that for every story reported wrong, and equal amount of time, money, and the same viewing window be used to retract the story.

If a station spent 2 hrs in a week reporting a story that ends up being false, and the next week has to spend two hours retracting it... How many times might CNN et. al. report false stories, until they fact check better?

Goddamn youre one nazi libertariantard.

[Winehole23]

It was his work on corruption in international soccer that lent credence to his reporting on Trump's entanglements in Russia, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-steele-idUSKBN14W0HN

[CosmicCowboy]

Big Government... Again.

Let the market for truth take care of this.

:lmao

[TheSanityAnnex]

John McCain:
"Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI. That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/313716-mccain-gave-dossier-containing-sensitive-information-to-fbi Had the source of the dossier been verified? Had the dossier been verified?

[TheSanityAnnex]

TSA-like posters are more incline to believe that 4chan made this up and that the CIA decided to trust some random guy with this information from that site, rather than trusting the agency and it's vetting process.

They decided to include this piece of information in the intelligence briefing for a reason and I'm willing to bet it goes beyond just the 4chan factor. The minute we start questioniong whether the CIA cant vet a place like 4chan properly is the minute we should all start to worry about our safety.

4Chan is like the lowest denominator of the internet. A joke site known for trolling.

Start worrying about your safety, the golden shower bit most definitely came from 4chan and made it's way onto the 35 page dossier.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Which is is why I called out Insanity Index's ridiculous flow chart. It's more important than his silly ramblings but he can't see it.
Was the golden shower bit on the 35 page dossier yes or no?

[TheSanityAnnex]

They CIA can always fall back on this.

The decision to inform Trump and Obama of this as opposed to hundreds other " we have learned " . If the CIA says they took this apparently singly British origin stuff and stamped it important why?

Did this agent give a whole lot of other stuff that turned out to be valid in the same report or what? They really can go further without compromising security I would think. The CIA needs to start following Insanity Index and giving his reports to all important government employees.
Yes the agent's 35 page dossier was so filled with other important stuff that the intelligence community condensed it down to a two page summary :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

TSA-like posters are more incline to believe that 4chan made this up and that the CIA decided to trust some random guy with this information from that site, rather than trusting the agency and it's vetting process.

They decided to include this piece of information in the intelligence briefing for a reason and I'm willing to bet it goes beyond just the 4chan factor. The minute we start questioniong whether the CIA cant vet a place like 4chan properly is the minute we should all start to worry about our safety.

4Chan is like the lowest denominator of the internet. A joke site known for trolling.

Reck, you are such a tool....


Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Wednesday reaffirmed to President-elect Trump that although the 35-page dossier that Buzzfeed published on Tuesday has been circulating around the federal government for months, it is not an official intelligence community product and was likely not leaked by intelligence employees.

"I emphasized that this document is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC. The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions," Clapper said in a statement .
"I expressed my profound dismay at the leaks that have been appearing in the press, and we both agreed that they are extremely corrosive and damaging to our national security," Clapper added.

[boutons_deux]

Trump and Clapper "dismayed" by leaks?

G M A F B ... Leaks are the lifeblood of DC :lol

UK has asked its media not publish the name Chris Steele, the guy who produced the "russkies have dirt on Trash" document.

==============

Former MI6 officer Christopher Steele, who produced Donald Trump Russian dossier, 'terrified for his safety' and went to ground before name released

A former MI6 officer who produced a dossier making lurid allegations about Donald Trump (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/donald-trump-kremlin-blast-fabricated-report-russian-ties-asfbi/) is “terrified for his safety” after he was unmasked by a US publication.

Christopher Steele, 52, fled from his home in Surrey on Wednesday morning after realising it was only a matter of time until his name became public knowledge.

A source close to Mr Steele said on Wednesday night that he now fears a prompt and potentially dangerous backlash against him from Moscow.

His research was initially funded by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats.

For months, he had been playing a dangerous game; tipping off journalists about what he said

he had discovered from his sources in Russia about Donald Trump’s alleged dealings with the Kremlin, as well as claims that the FSB had hugely compromising information about Mr Trump’s activities during visits to the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/former-mi6-officer-produced-donald-trump-russian-dossier-terrified/

Anybody know what polonium tastes like, if anything? :lol

[Thread]

Trump and Clapper "dismayed" by leaks? G M A F B Leaks are the lifeblood of DC :lol

UK has asked its media not publish the name Chris Steele, the guy who produced the "russkies have dirt on Trash" document.

==============

Former MI6 officer Christopher Steele, who produced Donald Trump Russian dossier, 'terrified for his safety' and went to ground before name released

A former MI6 officer who produced a dossier making lurid allegations about Donald Trump (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/donald-trump-kremlin-blast-fabricated-report-russian-ties-asfbi/) is “terrified for his safety” after he was unmasked by a US publication.

Christopher Steele, 52, fled from his home in Surrey on Wednesday morning after realising it was only a matter of time until his name became public knowledge.

A source close to Mr Steele said on Wednesday night that he now fears a prompt and potentially dangerous backlash against him from Moscow.

His research was initially funded by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats.

For months, he had been playing a dangerous game; tipping off journalists about what he said

he had discovered from his sources in Russia about Donald Trump’s alleged dealings with the Kremlin, as well as claims that the FSB had hugely compromising information about Mr Trump’s activities during visits to the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/11/former-mi6-officer-produced-donald-trump-russian-dossier-terrified/

Anybody know what polonium tastes like, if anything? :lol





Clapper? He's the same SOB that lied under oath at least once already.

The fuck.

[Wild Cobra]

Big Government... Again.

Let the market for truth take care of this.

It's Justice.

They lie about someone, it's their penalty.

[Spurminator]

It's Justice.

They lie about someone, it's their penalty.

So on what specific grounds would you prosecute CNN or BuzzFeed for their reporting this week?

[Spurminator]

Could have been to make the allegations "newsworthy" enough to be reported, if you believe this is the IC getting revenge.

Biden: Intel officials told us Trump allegations might leak

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that top intelligence leaders told him and President Barack Obama they felt obligated to inform them about uncorroborated allegations about President-elect Donald Trump out of concern the information would become public and catch them off-guard.

In an interview, Biden said neither he nor Obama asked U.S. intelligence agencies to try to corroborate the unverified claims that Russia had obtained compromising sexual and financial allegations about Trump.

"I think it's something that obviously the agency thinks they have to track down," Biden said. He added later, "It surprised me in that it made it to the point where the agency, the FBI thought they had to pursue it."

In the hourlong session with The Associated Press and other news outlets, the vice president was sharply critical of Trump for publicly disparaging intelligence officials, saying Trump was damaging U.S. standing and playing into Russia's hands. He also took umbrage at Trump's comments accusing intelligence agencies of allowing the information to leak publicly and drawing a comparison to "living in Nazi Germany."

"The one thing you never want to invoke is Nazi Germany, no matter what the circumstances," Biden said. "It's an overwhelming diversion from the point you're trying to make."

Biden said that in the briefing he and Obama received from Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and others, there were "no conclusions drawn" from the uncorroborated dossier, which was produced in August and then released publicly this week by the media. Biden said it was "totally ancillary" to the purpose of the meeting, which was to brief Obama on a report he ordered documenting Russian interference in the U.S. campaign.

"As a matter of fact, the president was like, 'What does this have anything to do with anything?'" Biden said. He said intelligence leaders responded by saying "Well, we feel obliged to tell you, Mr. President, because you may hear about it. We're going to tell him," referring to Trump.

Biden said intelligence leaders told him and Obama that they couldn't say whether or not the allegations were true or untrue. He said there was "hardly any discussion" about the allegations in the briefing.

"Neither the president nor I asked for any detail," Biden said. But he added of the dossier: "I've read everything."

Trump has vehemently denied the allegations included in a dossier about close coordination between Trump's inner circle and Russians. The dossier also included unsubstantiated claims about unusual sexual activities by Trump, attributed to anonymous sources. The Associated Press has not authenticated the claims. Trump has denied them.

The FBI director has refused to say whether the FBI is investigating any possible ties between Russia and Trump's presidential campaign.

The dossier was compiled by a former Western intelligence operative and had been circulating among news organizations and intelligence agencies in Washington for months. Its existence became known publicly following reports the intelligence community had briefed Trump on the dossier.

In the interview, Biden criticized Trump's rocky relationship with intelligence officials. The president-elect has publicly challenged their assessment about Russia's role in the election and suggested they have skewed evidence. Trump has received the briefing a few times but has insisted he doesn't need it daily and suggested he knows more than intelligence leaders.

Biden said it would be a "genuine tragedy" if Trump refused the daily intelligence briefing presidents traditionally receive.

To illustrate his point, Biden took out the black tablet computer he uses to read his daily briefing and showed it to reporters as he sat next to a crackling fireplace in his office, just steps from the Oval Office. He said it is password-protected and includes a feature he uses to ask questions about the intelligence that are responded to the same day.

Biden said at least five foreign leaders have already contacted him expressing concern over Trump's second-guessing of U.S. intelligence agencies.
"It is really very damaging in my view to our standing in the world for a president to take one of the crown jewels of our national defense and denigrate it," Biden said. "It plays into, particularly now, the Russian narrative that America doesn't know what it's doing."

After nearly half a century in public office, Biden will exit the national stage next Friday, although he plans to stay active in Democratic politics and work on policy issues at a pair of institutes he's developing at the University of Delaware and the University of Pennsylvania. He also plans to continue with the cancer "moonshot" effort he launched after his son died.

Biden was full of praise for his successor, Vice President-elect Mike Pence. He said he's been sending Pence memos with his advice on how to handle certain relationships, such as with Iraqi and Ukrainian leaders, and on "the things that could explode most easily."

He said Pence had been receptive to his advice but had less time these days to speak to Biden due to the heavy role he's playing in setting up Trump's administration. Biden said he's made his national security adviser, Colin Kahl, available to Pence but hoped Pence would quickly name a national security adviser of his own.

"It would be better if they had been in a better position where he actually had somebody that Colin could sit down with every morning," Biden said.
___
Reach Josh Lederman on Twitter at http://twitter.com/joshledermanAP

[Dirk Oneanddoneski]

TSA-like posters are more incline to believe that 4chan made this up and that the CIA decided to trust some random guy with this information from that site, rather than trusting the agency and it's vetting process.

They decided to include this piece of information in the intelligence briefing for a reason and I'm willing to bet it goes beyond just the 4chan factor. The minute we start questioniong whether the CIA cant vet a place like 4chan properly is the minute we should all start to worry about our safety.

4Chan is like the lowest denominator of the internet. A joke site known for trolling.

Trump doesn't win without the 4chan green frog army and the blessing of kek

1488 GTKRWN!

[Splits]

the golden shower bit most definitely came from 4chan and made it's way onto the 35 page dossier.

not true

[Splits]

Here is the part I'm talking about. I don't remember reading this when it was originally posted

"It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors. The report misspells the name of one company, “Alpha Group,” throughout. It is Alfa Group. The report says the settlement of Barvikha, outside Moscow, is “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates.” It is not reserved for anyone, and it is also populated by the very wealthy."

And here is the twitter timeline with them posting link to the same article ten minutes apart

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeed?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7C twgr%5Eauthor

3:29

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C12JCz-UsAAvp_I.jpg


3:39
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C12Mzn8VIAAawKn.jpg

Your links prove nothing. But even if true that they altered the article 10 minutes after publishing (doubt it) that constitutes a "walk back"? :lmao you are so fucking dishonest

[TheSanityAnnex]

Your links prove nothing. But even if true that they altered the article 10 minutes after publishing (doubt it) that constitutes a "walk back"? :lmao you are so fucking dishonest

This is really pointless at this point but I find it funny that I'm providing some sort of proof to try and back my claim while you've done nothing to support yours. And yes I consider adding "it contains some clear errors" covering their asses ie: walking back.

[TheSanityAnnex]

not true

how so?

[Wild Cobra]

So on what specific grounds would you prosecute CNN or BuzzFeed for their reporting this week?
I don't know. I haven't paid attention to either for a rather long time.

[Splits]

This is really pointless at this point but I find it funny that I'm providing some sort of proof to try and back my claim while you've done nothing to support yours. And yes I consider adding "it contains some clear errors" covering their asses ie: walking back.

that was in the original article

[Splits]

how so?

theres no proof it happened

[monosylab1k]

theres no proof it happened

no no no no no someone on 4chan said he did it! fuck proof, his word is good enough. if there's anything we know about 4chan it's that it's a place filled with the most honest and honorable of anonymous neckbeards.

[Splits]

no no no no no someone on 4chan said he did it! fuck proof, his word is good enough. if there's anything we know about 4chan it's that it's a place filled with the most honest and honorable of anonymous neckbeards.

but but but TSA said it "most definitely" did! I'm so confused

[Spurminator]

no no no no no someone on 4chan said he did it! fuck proof, his word is good enough. if there's anything we know about 4chan it's that it's a place filled with the most honest and honorable of anonymous neckbeards.

We should give the benefit of the doubt to a site of anonymous people bragging about successfully misinforming people.

[TheSanityAnnex]

that was in the original article

proof?

[Splits]

proof?

i read it and posted a screenshot on page 1 of this thread right after it was published

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol at the butthurt 3 amigos embarrassed for being duped

[Splits]

:lol at the butthurt 3 amigos embarrassed for being duped

the only one "duped" was Dale. He thought it was real. The rest of us were laughing at the newly created meme, hashtags, and lulz in response

[TheSanityAnnex]

i read it and posted a screenshot on page 1 of this thread right after it was published



We all need to check out golden shower sex tape

http://i.imgur.com/pyzV7CQ.png

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html



Nothing about your screen shot has anything to do with Buzzfeed editing the original article

[Splits]

Nothing about your screen shot has anything to do with Buzzfeed editing the original article

The timestamp does

[Spurminator]

:lol at the butthurt 3 amigos embarrassed for being duped

What was I duped by, Spirit Cookie?

[Wild Cobra]

We all need to check out golden shower sex tape

http://i.imgur.com/pyzV7CQ.png

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Looks like a forgery to me.

Like the Bush Memo.

[TheSanityAnnex]

What was I duped by, Spirit Cookie?

"Russians claim to have dirt on Trump" lol

[Spurminator]

"Russians claim to have dirt on Trump" lol

That's it? An uneditable headline that I retracted less than 5 minutes after posting? lol ok, you nailed me Pizza Dude

[TheSanityAnnex]

The timestamp doesWhat does your timestamp prove?

[TheSanityAnnex]

That's it? An uneditable headline that I retracted less than 5 minutes after posting? lol ok, you nailed me Pizza Dude

It was a regrettable mistake, it's okay we all make them.

[baseline bum]

We can't take away from the first amendment, but what we can do is have a law passed that for every story reported wrong, and equal amount of time, money, and the same viewing window be used to retract the story.

If a station spent 2 hrs in a week reporting a story that ends up being false, and the next week has to spend two hours retracting it... How many times might CNN et. al. report false stories, until they fact check better?

LOL Rush's show then.

[Spurminator]

Good take from Taibbi.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-russia-story-reaches-a-crisis-point-w460806


Have we ever been less sure about the truth of an urgent news story?

Three days into the "Russian dossier" scandal, which history will remember by a far more colorful name, we still have no clue what we're dealing with. We're either learning the outlines of the most extraordinary compromise to date of an incoming American president by a foreign power, or we're watching an unparalleled libel and media overreach.

...

Meanwhile, Ynet in Israel is reporting (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4906642,00.html) that Israeli intelligence officials are deciding not to share intelligence with the incoming Trump administration. The report indicates they came to this conclusion after a recent meeting with American intelligence officials, who told them the Russians have "leverages of pressure" to use against Trump.This is an extraordinary story. If our intelligence community really believes this, then playtime is over.

No more Clapper-style hedging or waffling. If Israel gets to hear why they think Trump is compromised, how is the American public not also so entitled?

But if all they have are unverifiable rumors, they can't do this, not even to Donald Trump.

The only solution is an immediate unveiling of all the facts and an urgent public investigation. A half-assed whispering campaign a week and a half from a Trump presidency, with BuzzFeed at the center of the action, isn't going to cut it. We need to know what the likes of Clapper and Comey know, and we need it all now, before it's too late.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Good take from Taibbi.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-russia-story-reaches-a-crisis-point-w460806

Interesting bit from the Ynet article. The NSA was the one intelligence agency with the least amount of confidence in it being the Russians doing the hacking. Sounds like these US officials are still just trying to delegitimize Trump before he takes office.

"During the meeting, according to the Israelis who participated in it, their American colleagues voiced despair over Trump’s election, as he often lashes out at the American intelligence community. The American officials also told the Israelis that the National Security Agency (NSA) had “highly credible information” that Russia’s intelligence agencies, the FSB and GRU, were responsible for hacking the Democratic Party (DNC) servers during the elections and leaking sensitive information to WikiLeaks"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4906642,00.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

And no Taibbi, Ynet is not reporting that Israeli intelligence officials are deciding not to share intelligence with the incoming Trump administration, nice try though.


"According to the Israelis who were present in the meeting, the Americans recommended that until it is made clear that Trump is not inappropriately connected to Russia and is not being extorted – Israel should avoid revealing sensitive sources to administration officials for fear the information would reach the Iranians."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...906642,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4906642,00.html)

[SnakeBoy]

LOL Rush's show then.

That's not a news show. I don't have a problem with opinion/entertainment shows saying whatever they please. Perhaps a solution is that these shows have to run a disclaimer stating that the information presented is for entertainment purposes only. On the flip side we could have journalistic standards which "news" show have to meet in order to be designated a journalism show.

[rasuo214]

We can't take away from the first amendment, but what we can do is have a law passed that for every story reported wrong, and equal amount of time, money, and the same viewing window be used to retract the story.

If a station spent 2 hrs in a week reporting a story that ends up being false, and the next week has to spend two hours retracting it... How many times might CNN et. al. report false stories, until they fact check better?

Honestly there doesn't need to be a law to punish them because their punishment is that they will lose credibility. CNN's ratings have been tanking so they either adjust or continue to suffer. If you're going to make a change the best thing to do is to make it easier for other media outlets to compete with the old time entrenched media.

[pgardn]

Yes the agent's 35 page dossier was so filled with other important stuff that the intelligence community condensed it down to a two page summary :lol

You have utterly no idea what I am saying bozo.

[pgardn]

:lmao

Line drive over the Short Stop's head...

What, what?

[pgardn]

They CIA can always fall back on this.

The decision to inform Trump and Obama of this as opposed to hundreds other " we have learned " . If the CIA says they took this apparently singly British origin stuff and stamped it important why?

Did this agent give a whole lot of other stuff that turned out to be valid in the same report or what? They really can go further without compromising security I would think. The CIA needs to start following Insanity Index and giving his reports to all important government employees.

They are on the level of resident pizza guy?

Read pizza man.
Read.

[pgardn]

Now this is more to the point.

The CIA made a decision to inform the sitting president and the president elect about this.
This is what is legit, not all the peeing. There needs to eventually be an explanation on why. How did they decide this was worthwhile? This is what I wrote about early on. We realize the CIA can't tell us everything, but this as it stands now is bizzare.

Read Pizza guy.
Read.

[DMC]

That's not a news show. I don't have a problem with opinion/entertainment shows saying whatever they please. Perhaps a solution is that these shows have to run a disclaimer stating that the information presented is for entertainment purposes only. On the flip side we could have journalistic standards which "news" show have to meet in order to be designated a journalism show.

Nah, no disclaimers for the stupid. Let's not get into group lock step with the slowest among us. If they fall for the shit, that's them.

[DMX7]

I truly believe there is major dirt out there. He puts himself in compromising positions all the time with his behavior. It would make perfect sense if they have something.

[Thread]

I truly believe there is major dirt out there. He puts himself in compromising positions all the time with his behavior. It would make perfect sense if they have something.

They're hunting day & nite that is for certain. I just hope it ain't out there and/or they do not find it.

[spurraider21]

That's it? An uneditable headline that I retracted less than 5 minutes after posting? lol ok, you nailed me Pizza Dudepeople say this, yet i've always been able to edit thread titles for a short period of time after starting the thread. go to the forum home and double click the grey area adjacent to the thread title

[spurraider21]

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/SKcVj4cy9Y8B68JGXBPwe2QTN8o=/3x300:2667x2076/1310x873/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/4020399/20120910_kkt_al2_027.0.jpg

[Winehole23]

Allegations that Trump watched prostitutes ‘defile’ a hotel room, which have shocked America, were dismissed as ‘basically vanilla’ by cynical Brits who demand far deeper sexual depravities from leaders.



Roy Hobbs of Glossop said: “So he just watched them? That’s local councillor level over here.



“When you’ve been through the Cameron pig allegations and watched the Thatcher cabinet orgy films on YouTube then this Trump stuff’s charmingly wholesome.”http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/come-back-when-he-shags-a-dead-pig-say-jaded-brits-20170111120020

[Spurminator]

people say this, yet i've always been able to edit thread titles for a short period of time after starting the thread. go to the forum home and double click the grey area adjacent to the thread title

Didn't know that, thanks.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Good take from Taibbi.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-russia-story-reaches-a-crisis-point-w460806

what was his good take in your opinion?

[boutons_deux]

#GoldenGate

Coal Bert is romping with this story, as hilarious as Trash is fraudulent

[Spurminator]

what was his good take in your opinion?

I basically quoted it. Grasping at straws and leaking rumors because of confirmation bias (or other worse motives) with regard to Trump/Russia amounts to crying wolf and numbs the population (particularly his supporters) into apathy and distrust. If there really is concern about any ties, or any reason he could be compromised/blackmailed, the public deserves an full and independent review.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I basically quoted it. Grasping at straws and leaking rumors because of confirmation bias (or other worse motives) with regard to Trump/Russia amounts to crying wolf and numbs the population (particularly his supporters) into apathy and distrust. If there really is concern about any ties, or any reason he could be compromised/blackmailed, the public deserves an full and independent review.

Yeah I agree with him there. A little ironic in the same article that he then misrepresents the Ynet article and says Israel decided to not share information with the Trump administration. The Ynet article says nothing of the sort. An intersting snip from that same article was the quote from the US official on the NSA's findings. Complete opposite of what was said by the NSA's last response in the latest report.

[Thread]

And it turns out it was Bush who hired this British operative and sicked him on Trump. After Trump disposed of Jeb, Clinton hired the guy. Fucking incredible. Bush,Clinton,Bush,Obama,Clinton on & on. Motherfuckers are taking turns raping this country with impunity.

And they will not tolerate an outsider like Trump. Absolutely not.

Trump will be lucky to see the New Year.

[SnakeBoy]

Trump may or may not end up being a terrible POTUS but he ended the Bush's and Clintons grip on power. Obama should present him with the Medal of Freedom at the inauguration just for that.

[boutons_deux]

he ended the Bush's and Clintons grip on power.

goddam, you're stupid. :lol

extreme right wing ESTABLISHMENT Repugs have all the POWER, and Trash will sign every piece of their socuopathic shit

[Thread]

Trump may or may not end up being a terrible POTUS but he ended the Bush's and Clintons grip on power. Obama should present him with the Medal of Freedom at the inauguration just for that.

He was in on it! part of the Bush/Clinton chain...Made a deal with her in '08 with the promise that he'd take her to it in '16 if she backed off. She countered by agreeing with the caveat that she'd be SofS with a direct line into him, no buffer. They both signed. Together they pulled Sander's pants down as she readied to reenter the WH.

When Trump survived Jeb and the other 1 percenters, she took the British operative that Jeb had been paying and put him back to work.

All bloodless coups have been tried. Only the blood one remains.

[SnakeBoy]

single payor isn't the solution. Medicare for all is. Taken out of everybody's incomes, including unearned income.


goddam, you're stupid. :lol

[Thread]

goddam, you're stupid. :lol

extreme right wing ESTABLISHMENT Repugs have all the POWER, and Trash will sign every piece of their socuopathic shit

Yep, he's gonna be "Nicky" in "Casino." Gonna take that pen and go to work. When Trump is done all you're gonna hear is a little girl cryin'.

[SnakeBoy]

He was in on it!

That was tongue in cheek. I don't do color coded text.

[lefty20]

Today's Politics :lol

[Thread]

Today's Politics :lol

It's been this way since '60 when Kennedy ran. We just keep getting further from shore each day. It's been out of sight for many years.

[spurraider21]

Trump may or may not end up being a terrible POTUS but he ended the Bush's and Clintons grip on power. Obama should present him with the Medal of Freedom at the inauguration just for that.
Actually Obama ended that. Should trump give Barry a medal?

[pgardn]

It's been this way since '60 when Kennedy ran. We just keep getting further from shore each day. It's been out of sight for many years.

Once they let those slaves loose by God...

[baseline bum]

Yep, he's gonna be "Nicky" in "Casino." Gonna take that pen and go to work. When Trump is done all you're gonna hear is a little girl cryin'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t9x_y3vFic

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t9x_y3vFic


Great movie, but Sharon Stone almost ruined it.

[boutons_deux]

goddam, the Repugs are treasonous bastards

Trump National Security Adviser Called Russian Envoy Day Before Sanctions Were Imposed


■ The national security adviser appointed by President-elect Donald J. Trump (http://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/donald-trump?inline=nyt-per) called a Russian envoy the day before sanctions were imposed on Russia for meddling in the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/13/us/politics/donald-trump-transition.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

WTF is going on? Trash, his team are not only illegitimate, they are totally compromised.

[Reck]

Trump may or may not end up being a terrible POTUS but he ended the Bush's and Clintons grip on power. Obama should present him with the Medal of Freedom at the inauguration just for that.


LMAO.

:lol Thinking taking care of Jeb was some sort of huge achievement. Whe even Marco Rubio won like 2 primaries to his zero.

:lol grip on power

[Thread]

Great movie, but Sharon Stone almost ruined it.

How so, Darrin?

---The movie though did have a TV feel about it at times. And it felt rushed like Scorsese wanted to finish and get on to something of merit. But, it's watchable from any point you find it. I can't take the final scene that bum lodged, nor the one where they squeeze that guys head in the vice, and when they skip trace the bagman down to South America and murder him. But, everything else is doable.

I like the part where DeNiro watches the young lad compliment his wife. It's great acting there by DeNiro. Makes it look easy, but, it wasn't.
I like the part where Rickles is actually Rickles for just a moment as he ushers the Japanese off the plane..."Better here than up there." That was nice of Scorsese to allow this.

The movie had a feel of "Donnie Brasco" about it at times.

[RandomGuy]

I basically quoted it. Grasping at straws and leaking rumors because of confirmation bias (or other worse motives) with regard to Trump/Russia amounts to crying wolf and numbs the population (particularly his supporters) into apathy and distrust. If there really is concern about any ties, or any reason he could be compromised/blackmailed, the public deserves an full and independent review.

Eyup.

The Russians having something very compromising on the Defendant-in-Chief would explain why Trump is so eager to make Putin happy. One has to wonder.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Eyup.

The Russians having something very compromising on the Defendant-in-Chief would explain why Trump is so eager to make Putin happy. One has to wonder.

One has to wonder why the US intelligence agencies keep embarrassing themselves.

[pgardn]

Never said anything about the CIA being approached.
4chan>>>RickWilson>>>EvanMcMullin>>>JohnMcCain>>>CIA

Here is the flow chart.
SA has the goods, the intelligence agencies have embarrassed themselves.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Here is the flow chart.
SA has the goods, the intelligence agencies have embarrassed themselves.
Has the IC embarrassed themselves recently yes or no?

[RandomGuy]

One has to wonder why the US intelligence agencies keep embarrassing themselves.

Our intelligence agencies are filled with earnest, intelligent people, trained to follow evidence where it leads.

Little wonder that people like you seem to jump on the hatin' bandwagon.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Our intelligence agencies are filled with earnest, intelligent people, trained to follow evidence where it leads.

Little wonder that people like you seem to jump on the hatin' bandwagon.

Believing they embarrassed themselves is not hating. Nothing wrong with being critical of their recent conduct.

Do you not think they embarrassed themselves with the JAR report? Because the rest of the private intelligence community sure seems to think they did.

[Thread]

Our intelligence agencies are filled with earnest, intelligent people, trained to follow evidence where it leads.

And "they're hard working" too. We've been reminded of that a zillion times by CNN since Trump dragged their corrupt asses into the street.

[boutons_deux]

Russians or anybody else having dirt on Trash is credible.

I bet somebody cracks a system eventually and spills it all. Pootin tool Assange obviously won't publish it. will come from somewhere else

[TheSanityAnnex]

Russians or anybody else having dirt on Trash is credible.

I bet somebody cracks a system eventually and spills it all. Pootin tool Assange obviously won't publish it. will come from somewhere else

What do you want to bet somebody doesn't? If somebody had it they would have already spilled it.

[Winehole23]

Other useful articles about the Trump-Russia file.




See Masha Gessen’s devastating analysis of the IC’s report about Russian interference in the US election, relying on weak or fake evidence to draw dubious conclusions: “Russia, Trump & Flawed Intelligence (http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/01/09/russia-trump-election-flawed-intelligence/)“.
As a reminder, here is a big list (https://fabiusmaximus.com/2015/08/02/big-list-government-lies-87863/) of US government officials’ past lies about vital matters
Good advice by the team at Lawfare: “About that Explosive Trump Story: Take a Deep Breath (https://lawfareblog.com/about-explosive-trump-story-take-deep-breath)“.
Glenn Greenwald goes to the heart of the issue: “The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer (https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/)“.
David French at National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/443752/trump-kompromat-story-its-all-disturbing) gives a fair summary.
A shrewd debunking: “The Trump Dossier Is Fake — And Here Are The Reasons Why (http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/01/13/the-trump-dossier-is-false-news-and-heres-why/#545b4b2d55f1)” by Paul Roderick Gregory at Forbes.

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2017/01/18/analysis-of-the-trump-russia-file/

[Winehole23]

Eyup.

The Russians having something very compromising on the Defendant-in-Chief would explain why Trump is so eager to make Putin happy. One has to wonder.It would, what evidence do you see for the hostile inference apart from allegations our intelligence services cannot attach confidence to because they are completely unverified?

Spidey-sense?

[TheSanityAnnex]

CIA-Funded Washington Post Doesn’t Think The CIA Should Have To Prove Russian Hacking


The Washington Post, whose owner has been paid hundreds of millions of dollars (http://www.accuracy.org/release/cia-cloud-over-jeff-bezoss-washington-post/) by the CIA, has published an article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/27/why-its-so-hard-to-prove-russia-was-behind-the-election-hacks/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a:homepage/story&utm_term=.1a108ae95b8a#comments) explaining why the CIA shouldn’t have to substantiate its claims of Russian tampering in the American presidential election. In related news, Rex Tillerson supports the growth of the fossil fuel industry and Anthony Weiner opposes age of consent laws.

The author of this fantastic specimen of oligarchic masturbation is an allegedly retired CIA agent named Steven L. Hall, who allegedly ran and managed Russian operations from 1985 to 2015. The fact that the Washington Post is now owned and operated by a known WikiLeaks opponent (https://www.democracynow.org/2013/8/7/how_the_washington_posts_new_owner) with known ties to the CIA and is now running op-eds by actual CIA agents arguing in favor of CIA agendas confirms everyone’s suspicions that the once-proud publication has officially degenerated into a trade rag for the Central Intelligence Agency. You got your Florist’s Review for the flower trade, your Building Magazine for the construction trade, and your Washington Post for the CIA.

In the article, agent-turned-editorialist Hall bloviates for some 1,500 words about how sharing proof of this thing the CIA clearly desperately wants the American public to believe could compromise security and lead human sources to stop providing intel. He coincidentally writes this in the very publication that broke the news (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_russiahack-1215p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.99a37b3bd5ad) that anonymous CIA sources claimed Russia manipulated the presidential election in the first place, which is coincidentally the same publication whose owner has a 600 million dollar contract with the CIA, who coincidentally bought the publication (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/washington-post-closes-sale-to-amazon-founder-jeff-bezos/2013/10/01/fca3b16a-2acf-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.html?utm_term=.03f4aeaf9bcf) the same year it became legal (http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/) for the U.S. government to conduct psy-ops on its citizens (psy-ops coincidentally being a known specialty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_(United_States)#Central_I ntelligence_Agency) of the CIA that it routinely uses to manipulate the citizenry in foreign governments around the world). WaPo never mentions this conflict of interest (http://scrippsmediaethics.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/holding-yourself-accountable-conflicts.html)when covering stories about the CIA. Coincidentally.


So to recap, the CIA needed left-leaning Americans (http://www.newslogue.com/debate/219/CaitlinJohnstone) to focus on hating Russia instead of (http://www.newslogue.com/debate/242/CaitlinJohnstone) talking about the WikiLeaks documents which revealed an appalling amount of corruption within the Democratic establishment, so it “leaked” a story to a publication with which it is enormously financially invested in order to facilitate that, and now that publication is explaining to those same left-leaning Americans, like a patient father, why the CIA cannot substantiate the claims it needs them to believe.

This is the same Democratic establishment, by the way, which has been comparing the alleged Russian hacks to Watergate and 9/11 (http://www.businessinsider.com.au/harry-reid-russian-hacking-watergate-911-2016-12?r=US&IR=T) in terms of severity, which has been threatening “military responses (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZN2OaKFOrw)” and promising sanctions and retaliations (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/28/politics/russian-election-meddling-sanctions-hacking/) against a nuclear superpower for this transgression it cannot substantiate but urgently needs us to believe. This is also the same publication, by the way, that is publishing propaganda with such frantic, inflammatory headlines as “Russia attacked our democracy, (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-attacked-our-democracy-that-demands-intense-review-by-congress/2016/12/23/291be72c-c865-11e6-8bee-54e800ef2a63_story.html?utm_term=.a3b880983e47)” “As Trump prepares his kissy face for Putin, a glimpse into the dictator’s soul (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/as-trump-prepares-his-kissy-face-for-putin-a-glimpse-into-the-dictators-soul/2016/12/27/558b5b04-cc4c-11e6-a87f-b917067331bb_story.html?utm_term=.f57fc3656199),” “Vladimir Putin wants a new world order. Why would Donald Trump help him (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/vladimir-putin-wants-a-new-world-order-why-would-donald-trump-help-him/2016/12/15/ad12a046-c30d-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?utm_term=.d1a5af6e1e8b)?” and, hilariously, “Trump’s dangerous diss of the CIA (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-dangerous-diss-of-the-cia/2016/12/12/19337e88-c095-11e6-897f-918837dae0ae_story.html?utm_term=.e1c861f06507)” and “Trump is already antagonizing the intelligence community, and that’s a problem (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-already-antagonizing-the-intelligence-community-and-thats-a-problem/2016/12/12/9576a0ca-c0ad-11e6-897f-918837dae0ae_story.html?utm_term=.7a3e8a2f3221).”

So these clowns are falling all over themselves trying to convince us that Russia is this apocalyptic nightmare we should all be terrified of, but at the same time assuring us that it’s not important enough for them to go about “jeopardizing sources” to provide proof. Come on, CIA, which is it? Either this is an urgent matter we all need to believe, or it’s not important enough to go through the hassle of having to find new sources afterward. You can’t have it both ways. You’re being ridiculous.

Are these really the people who’ve been pulling the strings behind the scenes all these decades? The people who’ve toppled regimes and installed puppet governments around the world can’t even spin a yarn that makes sense anymore? I’m no fan of Trump, but I can certainly understand why he doesn’t want to sit through any intelligence briefings with these goofballs. He’d probably learn more about America watching South Park reruns and listening to Mad Dog Mattis talk about all the different ways you can kill a man with a lemon zester. A lot of power dynamics will shift in the intelligence community when the Orange One takes the wheel, and it’s a damn shame we won’t be able to see much of it, because it’s gonna be good.

I hate the Washington Post. I hate the lies and the manipulation, but most of all I hate the system where such a thing can exist. Could you ask for a better representation of the sickest aspects of corporatism than Jeff Bezos, a politically entrenched plutocrat and the fifth wealthiest person in the world, building a state media empire dedicated to maintaining support for the status quo that made him so filthy stinking rich the moment it became legal to propagandize U.S. citizens? It’s absolutely outrageous that such a thing is possible, and we need to keep pointing at the sickness to help people see through the lies.




http://www.newslogue.com/debate/243/CaitlinJohnstone

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Reported treason arrests fuel Russian hacking intrigue

MOSCOW – In the days since it emerged that four men had been arrested on treason charges linked to cyber intelligence and Russia's domestic security agency, conspiracy theories and speculation about the case have swept through Moscow.

Was it some fallout from the alleged Russian hacking of the U.S. presidential election? Were they part of a hunt for a possible mole who tipped off American intelligence agencies? Was it a power struggle within Russia's security services?

Specifics of the case are murky, and no Russian government officials have commented publicly. Russian media have been filled with lurid, often contradictory, details that most assume are leaked by warring factions of intelligence officers.

Linking the arrests to the U.S. vote would mean joining the dots between a series of shadowy actors in the Russian internet world.
In one of the few formal acknowledgements of the case, Ivan Pavlov, a Russian defense lawyer specializing in treason cases, confirmed to The Associated Press that at least four arrests on linked treason charges had taken place. He declined to elaborate.

The first arrest emerged last week with the news of the detention of Ruslan Stoyanov, an executive at Kaspersky Lab, a cybersecurity firm.

Stoyanov apparently traveled widely as the head of the company's computer incidents investigations. According to his LinkedIn profile, he was employed by the Russian Interior Ministry's cybercrime unit in the early 2000s and hired by Kaspersky in 2012. Kaspersky has said the charges against Stoyanov relate to a time before he joined the company.

Multiple Russian media outlets have reported the detention of three officers working for the cybercrime division of the FSB, Russia's domestic security agency, at around the same time as Stoyanov's arrest in December. Two of the men have been named in Russian media as Col. Sergei Mikhailov, deputy head of the FSB's Information Security Center (TsIB), and a subordinate, Maj. Dmitry Dokuchayev. Pavlov said a fourth defendant in the case was his client, but he refused to reveal his name.

TsIB is an "experienced cyberespionage outfit" that has expanded rapidly in recent years, according to Galeotti. "Their job is to hoover up everything they can."

Reporting by Russia's opposition newspaper Novaya Gazeta and U.S. cybersecurity journalist Brian Krebs suggested compromising material on the FSB officers may have been a revenge operation by 26-year-old Vladimir Fomenko, revealed by U.S. cyber firm ThreatConnect last year as the owner of servers used in hacks on election systems in Arizona and Illinois, and a Russian businessman, Pavel Vrublevsky, who was jailed for a year in 2013 for organizing cyberattacks on a competitor.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/31/reported-treason-arrests-fuel-russian-hacking-intrigue.html

Fox is reporting this? ???

Doesn't Fox adore Pootin and Russia as America's friend and ally? :lol



http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/31/reported-treason-arrests-fuel-russian-hacking-intrigue.html

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Democrats ask Pentagon to investigate national security adviser's Russian paycheck (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/1/1628639/-Democrats-ask-Pentagon-to-investigate-national-security-adviser-s-Russian-paycheck)

Congressional Democrats want an investigation (https://www.wsj.com/articles/democratic-lawmakers-seek-pentagon-probe-of-mike-flynns-russia-today-ties-1485970133?mod=wsj_streaming_latest-headlines) involving Russia, the Emoluments Clause, and a top member of Donald Trump’s administration: National Security Adviser Mike Flynn.

The possible violations in question came before Flynn’s appointment by Trump:

In a letter sent Wednesday to Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, the lawmakers said that since Mr. Flynn retired from the Army in 2014, he has appeared regularly on Russia Today, or RT, a state-sponsored television network.

The letter also notes that Mr. Flynn acknowledged he was paid to speak at a gala in Moscow celebrating RT’s 10th anniversary in December 2015.

At the event, he dined alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The lawmakers said Mr. Flynn may have violated the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, which prohibits someone “holding any office of profit or trust”—meaning a public office or military position—from accepting gifts or payments from a foreign country.

“The Department of Defense has made clear that this restriction applies to retired military officers because they continue to hold offices of trust,” according to the letter, which was reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.



Mattis and Flynn are reportedly not on the best of terms, but you have to figure that investigating this issue would make Trump very unhappy with Mattis.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/02/01/1628639/-Democrats-ask-Pentagon-to-investigate-national-security-adviser-s-Russian-paycheck?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

USA's National Security Advisor has been paid by Pootin? he's been in Russia on Russian TV? :lol

There's WAY too much smoke around Trash and his Pootineers for there to be no fire.

Holy shit. really, just holy fucking shit.

If Hillary was doing this shit, Repugs and right wing hate media would be going nuts. :lol

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mpre Patribotics parapolitical narrative on the Steele dossier:

https://patribotics.wordpress.com/2017/02/26/planespotting-michael-cohens-amazing-journey-louise-mensch/

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